The Art of Forgiving
Navigating The Nuances of Trauma and The Path Towards Forgiving Ourselves and Others
The Art of Forgiving
Introducing The Art of Forgiving Podcast: Trauma, Forgiveness, and Transformation- My Path pt1.
Warning: This episode contains sensitive content related to abuse, please proceed with caution.
What happens when forgiveness becomes your shield? When you are finally forced to face your deepest wounds? Welcome to the raw, transformative world of The Art of Forgiving podcast.
In this premiere episode, I open my heart about the complicated trauma that shaped me, and what my imperfect journey towards healing has looked liked thus far. This isn't just another podcast about positive thinking or focusing on ourself. It's about the messy, yet beautiful process of true healing through understanding and forgiveness.
My journey shared through part 1 of this series begins with childhood abuse, then continues through being sent away as a troubled teen, and evolves into discovering that my natural inclination toward forgiveness wasn't weakness, but divine protection. I share how trauma can feel like dying when you're left to navigate it alone, and how that near-death experience parallel offers profound transformation for those brave enough to face their pain.
What sets this conversation apart is the distinction between empty grace—the "I forgive you" that doesn't stick—and authentic forgiveness that comes through understanding both ourselves and others. You'll discover why understanding someone's actions doesn't mean excusing them, and how forgiveness accelerates healing rather than keeping us trapped in cycles of hurt.
Whether you're carrying childhood wounds, relationship trauma, or simply feeling stuck in resentment, this podcast offers a path forward. Join me weekly as I continue unpacking my story and many others to hopefully provide practical guidance for transforming your pain into purpose. Start your journey with me by simply journaling your painful experiences, and also by practicing patience with yourself this week. Healing isn't about perfection—it's about progress.
Note- the podcast name was changed after the recording when I realized the original title was not unique (unintentional).
Hello everyone, my name is
Chey:Chey
Chey:and this is the Gift of Forgiveness podcast. I'm very happy that you decided to listen. I have been wanting to make this podcast for a few months now, but obviously, with the content that comes with this kind of show, it has been very nerve-wracking to actually get in front of the mic and start. So I'm here, I'm doing it and I really hope that this project helps even just one person, and I know it's going to help me, and the content that I have planned has helped me so far, and so I do hope that you listen to this show with an open mind. And I do want to just start out and say that it has been God who has pulled me through everything, and I do have a bit, I guess, of a different perspective of who God is than what's been taught to me growing up. And I'm not trying to start any discourse, I'm just saying that the God that I have experienced in my life through my struggles is not quite similar, but not quite the exact same that I had in my head growing up while I was being taught about religion and Christianity. So I want to share those perspectives with people, because I can't truly explain what his presence has done for me, especially over the past few months, over the past couple of years. Even so, I want everyone to just keep an open mind. If you're listening to this and you have more traditional views or if you don't believe in God at all, I hope that you still take my experiences and the experiences that some of my loved ones are going to share as the show goes on, and really take the content and see where it applies in your life and not just look at it as religious craziness. So, with all that being said, I want to start out with why I made this show to even begin with.
Chey:Over the past few months, or even, like I said, years of my life has been extremely difficult but transformative, and I have gone through a lot in life, but nothing has taught me more than the experiences. Within the last few years and over the past few months, I've really had it on my heart that I'm at a point where I can start to share my past experiences and how I grew from them and how I'm continuing to grow from experiences I'm having even today. So I have gone through a lot of trauma, as a lot of other people have, unfortunately, and my trauma has been what I would call complicated and very difficult to navigate, because all my trauma has come from people that were quoteunquote supposed to be my protectors, all of those things that parents and family are quote-unquote supposed to be. But as you will listen on in the show, I will hopefully begin to show everyone that all these titles and relationships that you have with people does not exempt them from mistakes. It doesn't exempt them from human behavior and error. And for those listening who know me personally and have seen me over the past few years, I pray that you understand that I'm speaking for myself also, because I know that a lot of times, if people know someone personally and know the things that they've done, they don't tend to take their advice quite as seriously, and I encourage everyone to not only extend that grace to me but also extend it to everyone else in your life as well. But that's a complicated process and we, of course, will be going over how to navigate to that point in a healthy way, not only for others, but yourself first and foremost. So that's why I made this show. I wanted to provide my experience with complicated trauma and how I navigated forgiving people through it and how I can navigate, forgiving myself and forgiving others, even till this day, because forgiveness I have found is what I have found to be the most profound step in healing and a lot of times it's not taught thorough enough for it to be as effective as it can be. So I'm hoping that with this show, my traumas can help others see how to navigate in a much more healthy way so that we can all thrive together better in this world community.
Chey:We've all heard of near-death experiences, I'm sure, and we also those who have gone through extreme trauma understand the feeling of going through traumatic experiences one time to a million times over. A lot of people go through one huge traumatic event. Others go through many, many and no matter what situation is yours, the fact of the matter is that it feels like dying when you are left alone to you're left alone with your thoughts and your trauma and how to heal yourself. I want to share my experiences, obviously along this, along the show, and I'll start off. I will start off with saying that, growing up, I probably went to therapy one time as a child. Of course, it wasn't necessarily up to me how often I could go, so what ended up happening is, I had one experience with therapy and as an adult I understand that I could have benefited from much more. So because I only had that one therapy session and the rest of my childhood was self-soothing and teaching myself how to do so. I was not qualified to do that.
Chey:So what ended up happening which you all, I'm sure, are very familiar with and I'm hoping I'm putting words to your feelings is that it feels, like I said, like dying. When you are left alone, especially at a young age, to navigate your own pain, when it feels like no one else really understands or sees you. When you're experiencing that pain, it can be difficult, it could feel like dying. So the reason why I point that out is because if it happens even once, or if it happens multiple times, I believe it can be a near-death experience. And the reason that I say that is because in traditional near-death experiences that we typically hear about, these people have very similar accounts of what happens. They wake up and they are just transformed. They are magically changed from the experiences that they saw or sensed or whatever the case may be, when they died and then came back to life in those near-death experiences.
Chey:That is a very similar feeling to what I experienced throughout my life. But instead of it just happening one time after a traumatic event, it happened after years and years and years of unresolved traumatic events. And I started to really experience God when I realized that not only does it feel lonely to go through traumatic events, it is lonely. So it's important to understand the difference between something in its reality and then something in its feeling. And yes, we can feel lonely, but have a support system, and then we can actually be lonely.
Chey:And that's where I feel the similar NDE experiences occur, because I feel that in those moments when you have gone through enough, everyone has different limits, but when someone finally has enough and they get to a point where I was a year and a half, maybe two years ago, where I did not want to continue and somehow God reached down into me and just kept me going and I had realized that that was not the first time that happened. It was just the first time that I had realized what was happening and I'd struggled a long time thinking that the reason why I was going through so much trauma was because everyone else seemed to be getting something good out of it, a lesson, they would get closer to God, and I've said multiple times in my life that I felt like a stepping stone for people to get to know God. That I felt like a stepping stone for people to get to know God and that was just based on my personal experiences, because of what I'd gone through as a child and growing up. It seemed that everyone else was getting closer to God because of what had happened to me and I was, on one hand, happy because that was something that a child who grows up in church sees as a positive thing people getting closer to God and, on the other hand, confusion, not understanding why I was given that role, and so these are just things that I had in my head but didn't focus on, didn't delve into, and so, of course, as an adult, it spilled over, when I already had adult responsibilities and adult relationships that weren't understanding of this epiphany that I was having, that I was having. So I hope that everyone can see that these are the columns of healing that come before you.
Chey:Even should understand forgiveness in its reality, because we can forgive people. But what does it look like to do the work of forgiveness? And the reason why I called this show the Gift of Forgiveness is because ever since the very first traumatic event that happened to me that I can remember, forgiveness was always the first thing that came to my mind. As an adult it's a bit more difficult and we'll get into all the negative ways that I exhibited those emotions, but as a child, forgiveness was always something that came very naturally to me. Just base forgiveness Like something that came very naturally to me. Just base forgiveness Like, oh, like it's okay, um, I don't want you to be in pain or suffer consequences for what was done to me. So that was just a mentality I had and I used to look at it as a weakness in the first part of my adult epiphany. But now I have come to understand that it has been a gift that has protected me since those days and I hope that you see your softness, your forgiveness, your resilience as gifts, because that is what they are.
Chey:A lot of times people will say where was God when this happened? Or, if God is real, how come this happens? And I will get into my theories on why I believe people go through so much here on earth, but for right now I want to focus on the fact that God is there during those circumstances and the reason why I believe that God the God that's been taught growing up in, you know, traditional churches is not quite accurate is because the God that I have experienced has taught me that his hand is not in causing us to go through trauma and pain. There we live. I believe we live in a very spiritual realm, as opposed to the, you know, typical flesh one that people see every day.
Chey:I think that there's spiritual warfare and there's evil. There's good and there's evil, and there are forces of good and forces of evil, and it's a battle, one that has been going on for a very long time. It's a battle, one that has been going on for a very long time and, of course, if God was exactly like what's been taught, then of course he could eradicate all evil in an instant. You know why, wouldn't he? And so I think that's why a lot of people get hung up on God not being real or hating God even, and I think that has a lot to do with the church having a difficult time really showing and teaching who God is apart from tradition, and they really don't give enough detail as to how the war works.
Chey:You know, we are in a constant battle, and I believe that my inclination towards forgiveness and resilience have been in armor, and I know that there are people out there who won't agree, and that's fine, because everyone is different and everyone's beliefs are formed by their experiences. So I am not here to shove a religious agenda down your throat. I'm just here to share my experience and defend why I believe God is real and has been with me, and how he's been with me throughout my life, and it has been through the gift of forgiveness and resilience. So now that I've gotten the forgiveness is my strength and not my weakness bit I want to start to share the story as to what exactly was the catalyst for all of this. So, when I was actually no, I want to first encourage everyone listening who knows me personally, to listen to my stories with an open mind and not judge me or anyone that is involved in my stories. You know, this is truly a way for me to use the gift that God has given and share it with people so that they can grow like I've grown, and I don't want anyone to be hurt and I don't want anyone to take what I say the wrong way, you know. So I'm going to just stick as close to the facts as possible when it comes to the stories that I tell, because I want to save any emotional aspect for teaching and lessons and I don't want emotions to be involved too much into the story. So I won't be using names. I will just be allowing you all to put the puzzle pieces together because, like I said, I don't want to hurt anyone, but this has been on my heart for a long time. This has been on my heart for a long time and eventually I would love to write, you know, a book. But as of right now, I know that God has given me a excitement for talking and for sharing my life story, because it's freaking insane. So we'll jump back in.
Chey:When I was about eight or nine years old, someone very close to me got involved with this man and my loved one, and this man ended up getting married and shortly after, sexual abuse started, and my loved one did not know at the time any of the times that it was happening and some of the times it would happen right in the bed with my loved one, unbeknownst to them, and I kept it inside for a very long time. It was not something that I was just like. Okay, let me tell my loved one, and the reason why I did not come forth is because there were other people involved that weren't being abused, but they had in my pre-teen mind, my young child, pre-teen mind, because that's the amount of time that it was going on. That's my dog sorry, my protector and I thought that the other people involved had an opportunity to have something that I did not have, which is a type of support that, like I said, I did not have growing up. So in my mind I didn't believe that this person who was hurting me would hurt the other people involved, so I would just accept it and stay quiet for years.
Chey:One day, when I was having an argument with my loved one, I had been acting out, lying, sneaking out all the things and eventually I was just like you know what this is why I'm like this and I told her what had been going on, and during that time or during that argument, I asked my loved one not to call the cops. At this time I was probably 13 years old, about 13 years old, and I'd asked her. I'd asked her not to call the cops because I knew what would happen and I didn't want the other innocent people involved to be affected by this. I thought at the time that it would be my fault if these innocent people involved were to go through pain because I chose to open my mouth, and that's a lot for a kid to carry from like 9 to 13 years old old.
Chey:So the, my loved one, did not call the cops and the man continued to live on the property not in the in the home, but on the property and I I didn't really think anything of it at the time. I was 13 years old. There was just no way that, without proper guidance or therapy, that I would even begin to understand the complexities of the situation. And I've had to forgive myself for making that decision growing up, because when I would bring it up to the people involved as an adult, they would say you asked me not to call the cops. You know it was your decision, you know there would be an apology, but I'm sorry. But and so I carried that for a long time and I will break down this story throughout this show to explain where exactly I've had to forgive myself and where I've had to forgive others.
Chey:So for a while this man was, like I said, living on the property and eventually my another loved one of mine had realized something a little off was going on, and so she asked me and I told her, and so at that point this person called the cops and they they made some other choices that were hurtful. Uh, they had told other family that my other loved one had known what was going on. And that's not the case. At least not. I truly believe that she didn't know what was going on. But that day when the cops were called, it was extremely confusing and there was. It was just a lot. It was a lot for me.
Chey:Comment about, you know, being able to move somewhere else, you know, just to lighten the mood, and the people in the living room looking at me just with kind of disgust and confusion, and I remember being like what you know, because I the only reason I had even said that is to try to lighten the mood, because at this point in my life I had already trained my mind to know that if there was tension, it was my responsibility to alleviate it. Whether it was my fault or just because someone had a bad day, it was my duty to try to relieve the pressure. So I was not taken care of how I should have been taken care of, and it is okay to say that, especially if you have forgiven the people that have been involved, which I have, it's still okay for people to verbalize what was okay and what was not okay, and I believe that if you're like me, you don't want to hurt people and within the last couple years I have changed quite a bit on that front and I will get to that. But you know, as a child and at my core, I don't want anyone to feel pain, even if it's because of something that happened to me, not because of me, and that's something that I hope, as the show goes on, I can help everyone come to understand with themselves as well that you have to be able to be okay with verbalizing what is okay and what is not okay and not relying on the opinions of the other people that you've forgiven or the other people that have been involved with their opinion, because, at the end of the day, everyone needs to heal from something, everybody. We live in a world where we got to heal from something, even if you're the wealthiest person in the world, to the most unfortunate situation there is, you have to heal, and until that happens, until you're able to do that. That happens. Until you're able to do that, we can't really begin to understand that everyone else is going through the same thing as well, and understand that reactions that people have come from a place of healing or unhealed pain, and people not understanding how to approach a situation, and running to self-preservation and self-preservation looks very different for a lot of different people and as the show goes on, we're going to get down to what that looks like and how to understand it, to a point where you don't hate somebody or you don't misunderstand what they're trying to do, and so, yeah, that's what I will give you on that end.
Chey:But to continue this story, after the situation where I made that comment, the person that had been hurting me was taken to jail, and during this time, it became extremely difficult for my loved one to navigate life. Don't think I have a full grasp on what that person must have felt during that time, or what they still feel to this day to go from loving someone and them being a part of your life to realizing that they have hurt someone that you were supposed to protect. That must be a very sticky situation, and you have to understand these situations as a child man. You're off the hook, dude. If you're a kid, the only thing that you need to worry about is going to therapy and convincing the people in your life that you need to get to therapy.
Chey:My words of advice are for people who are adults or at the point they can take care of themselves, really, because that's what we all need to do and that's what the purpose of this podcast is is to take care of ourself, and in order to do that, we have to do the work to understand other people. I'm not saying to excuse other people, I'm saying to understand, and I hope that with this show, I'm able to point you in the right direction when it comes to that. So that's why I even want to point out what this person may have been feeling, because it's important to navigating true, authentic, thorough healing. You have to be able to understand why people do what they do, even if the reason is that they just wanted to do it. And there, hopefully for you all, there's closure. There are going to be roadblocks of closure during this show, so I hope that this is one of them for you guys.
Chey:So, during this time when the man had gone to jail and it's just me, my loved one and the other people involved just me, my loved one, and the other people involved Not involved, but you know the innocent parties. So it was, I'm sure, excruciating to deal with what was dealt with as someone who no longer has a husband around to help, a husband around to help, and as an adult. There were conversations had between me and this and this loved one where she explained the things that she had to do just financially to make it work, and not much has been said about the emotional toll that was being taken during this time. But I'm sure that this person probably didn't have a lot of time to delve into the emotional aspect of this situation herself because she had three people to take care of by herself, and that is something that I cannot quite possibly understand, because the only three things that are my responsibility right now are my pets and while they are a handful, they are only a handful my tiny little hands, not nearly as much pressure as three humans, plus a mortgage, plus whatever bills.
Chey:So I have to understand and I want people to I was about to say give credit and I want people to start understanding that the words that they say need to be evaluated closely, at least when you are speaking to yourself or navigating your own traumas to maybe a therapist or somebody. Because when we say things like give credit or give them a break or whatever, that is extending empty grace, because it's an excuse for behavior that you don't have to excuse. It's an excuse for behavior that you don't have to excuse. So the reason why I say understand as opposed to give credit is because understanding is better than empty grace, which isn't real grace at all. Understanding is the, what I would say, one of the foundational steps towards forgiveness and understanding.
Chey:Forgiveness because there are so many nuances when it comes to trauma that is within your family and I'm not saying there aren't with trauma that is, you know, from a stranger, from someone you kind of know. It's all nuanced, all of it, but a lot of people don't see it, so it's just looked at in general and healing's not done, because no one has their hands in the mix. And when you have your hands in the mix, you can start almost feeling what's stopping you from healing, from happiness, from growing, from moving forward, as opposed to just being like I forgive this person but I don't want to deal with it. Everyone's different, but I can tell you right now, I have never personally met anyone that that's worked for where they truly have been okay in life with just sweeping their trauma under the rug, and it's the easiest thing to do. We just want to move on. That's what I did.
Chey:Even if my trauma doesn't look like yours, I handled it the same way a lot of people do, and that's just. You know what. I'm an adult now. I don't have time to get into my trauma. I don't have resources to get the help that I wish I had, so I'm just gonna get three jobs and go to school and not have time to think. And I was at a mistake. So I paused there just to help everyone understand that understanding is the first step in forgiveness. And I also want to say forgive me if this format that I'm speaking in is a little hard to follow. I know eventually, with time, I'll be able to clean up the content a lot more, but right now I believe that everything that I'm saying is wisdom.
Chey:That's been a result of what I prayed for. You know, I prayed before this and prayed for God to just give me words and, you know, just to jump on here and start, because I've just been so in my head about even just starting this project that it's been hard to stick to a script. So I I pray that you guys continue to listen and follow as best as you can, because I promise there are going to be things in here that help you, because they have helped me deeply and tremendously. So thank you for sticking with my unconventional scripting, but I promise that all of this comes from love and wanting people to feel what I am feeling, because it's so good. It might not be for everyone, but I love how I feel. So how is it that I feel? The journey towards getting here might be different for everyone, but I am just hoping that everyone can get to the point that I'm at.
Chey:And even though I have a very long way to go a lifetime of choosing forgiveness and choosing love, lifetime of choosing forgiveness and choosing love I still believe that I've come such a long way in learning how to take what has happened, learning how to take the things that even I have done and using them as fuel, adding it to the fire to stoke it to become brighter, so that nothing that ever happens to me and nothing, no choice I ever make, diminishes the gift that I have and what it can do for the world, because I'm just a drop in the bucket of what God wants the world to look like, where we forgive each other and we understand each other and we love each other and we grow together. That is something that I feel like society has been lost on. We're in a society where we can just shut something off it's such a disease of the matrix where we can just turn something on and turn something off and let that kind of be how we live our lives, but it's all just sweeping under the rug, just loads and loads of trash under the rug, and I'm hoping that we can kind of get back to square one when it comes to understanding people and forgiving one another and just reshaping what that even looks like, because it's not just I forgive you, I'm going to move on with my life, or I forgive you, let's continue on like nothing happened. That is not forgiveness for yourself and for other people. So I hope that you guys are still following along. I'm going to continue with the story.
Chey:It was a very cold day in December and we had family over. I had decided to sneak out and didn't get back home until maybe about 7 am, it was already bright out. I was welcomed into my neighborhood by law enforcement. They drove me into my cul-de-sac and there I see a family standing outside, worried, upset, all of that. And when I got back inside, this was the first like big incident. Uh, I'd maybe snuck out. I don't know. I'd say maybe three times in my life, maybe maybe once more, I don't even know. But this was the stupidest. Coming home at 7am, all of that. But now that I am an adult, kids do what they do. It's very dangerous. I would also freak out if I had a child and I didn't know where they were at six o'clock in the morning. That would freak me out. So I get inside and my loved one is in there with her friend and they decide that I was to be sent away. It was too much, my behavior was too much to deal with and I was to be sent away. Now, pausing here, I don't regret going, not like I had a choice, but I think that the experience was God-led and the transformation that happened there was absolutely necessary. But I will also get into the longer lasting effects of the decision to send me away and what that revered back to me in adulthood.
Chey:But going back to the story I was, I ended up being sent away to this place called the Lighthouse Children's Academy in Tallahassee, florida, and it was. A lot of girls didn't like it, and I can understand why. You're away from home. You have these people telling you what to do. We can't listen or watch anything that is considered secular, no music except for Southern gospel, and it was like lockdown. It was that or juvie for a lot of girls, and obviously this was a much better situation than juvie. But in the reality, a lot of us felt like we had been disregarded, like our families could not handle us anymore. We were too much, we were the burdens, and so we had to be sent away, and a lot of us bonded over this feeling and it just it's something that I think held our sisterhood together even still to this day.
Chey:There are girls in there who I deeply disagree with their you know political stances and all of that, but would I take a bullet for them and would they take a bullet for me? Yes, absolutely. The relationships that I formed in there were so much more authentic than I, than a lot of other relationships that I had outside of it, so I, for that, I'm so thankful and I know that God put me there so that even to this day, I can share their stories and just get to show the world what we have gone through, because I'm I'm the host of this show and I'm saying you know, I hope everyone can get to the point I'm at, or whatever, and a lot of people might look at that like I'm a pompous or something you know, but you have to recognize that people's opinions are their opinions and you have to be certain in what you're doing and certain in the mission of what you're doing. And I am just like those girls. They are doing a lot of them are doing exactly what I'm doing in different ways. Some of them are taking the strange relationships that they've had with their parents growing up and have become dope mothers, crazy, insane mothers, and that is a form of what I'm doing. I don't have children. They do, and that's their ministry. There are other girls there who were raised with nothing and they grew up to have several businesses. That's their ministry, that's them taking what happened to them growing up and alchemizing it, transforming it, and that's just what I'm trying to do.
Chey:It just so happens that my gift is speaking. I like to talk and I've gone through enough that it's undeniable that it's something that I have to share. And the way that I've grown and the way that I've changed my thinking to understand myself and understand others cannot be my own. Without these lessons that God has put into my life, I would be nothing and that's just my words. For it, I feel like if I were to just live every day, clocking in and out, having gone through everything I've gone through and not using it to help others, gone through everything I've gone through and not using it to help others, it would be such a waste. It would be taking my gifts in vain and I can't do that. I can't do that. So I thank God for all the girls who, for everyone who's doing this, who are taking what is gone, what they've gone through, and changed it to make them smile, to make them empowered, to make them feel this feeling of fire inside of them that is like a fuel to accelerate us into further healing and grace and mercy and service and everything.
Chey:And I just I hope that you all hear what I'm saying and I will continue on with this story next week, but I feel like here, of course, is a good place to stop and let everything just kind of sink in, let everything that you've gone through come to the surface. I've got my notebook right back there. I encourage you to get one and just write down everything that you've gone through. That has been painful. Just start there. Start there and maybe next week, while you listen to this, you can go over those things and just make notes on how you've reacted, how you've dealt with certain situations.
Chey:And a lot of people hear that and they're like oh, are you trying to nitpick? You know how I did this and how I did that? No, because we don't know what we don't know. We don't understand what we don't understand until we attempt to understand it. And the attempt part is what this show is about. It's not about being perfect because we will die on our deathbed, because we will die on our deathbed with plenty more that we need to forgive ourselves for. But my goal is to help us understand that if we take each situation and we understand ourselves, our behavior, from it, we can grow so we don't keep hurting ourselves in the same way and hurting others in the same way, because our pain, unfortunately, is our own and we could try and try to scream for others to understand our pain, for them to pay us back for our pain, for them to just hear us, to just be heard, and we'll keep screaming forever, forever on end.
Chey:And I don't say that for you to have any negative feelings towards anyone in your life who you feel doesn't hear you, doesn't understand you, that you're frustrated with that. Those are not the feelings that I'm encouraging. The reason I even say that is because I don't want us to continue putting energy where it doesn't belong, because healing is about acceleration. How do we get to acceleration, forgiveness and understanding, and I'm sure to say that. But and I have to give an example that hopefully will help you understand what I'm trying to say but for a long time I had not forgiven my loved one, but I thought I had, and the reason why I thought so is because I would say it I forgive, I forgive you, I forgive you. But then arguments would continue to happen and one day I just realized that I had not forgiven this person if I was still arguing with them, still having tension and just being frustrated and all those things that come with conflict. It just made me realize that I still had work to do to understand what part of situations I needed to let go of and lay down so that I could forgive this person properly, at a capacity where we could continue being in each other's lives.
Chey:Now I'm just going to be straight up with you guys. It's not always going to end up with you having you know specific people in your life, but we'll navigate those situations in upcoming episodes, but for now we'll go ahead and wrap up. I feel like we'll have a lot more to go over next week and I'll go ahead and continue some of my stories, but it seems to be that the format of these episodes are going to be me sharing stories and then pausing for reflection. So I hope you all tune in next week for some more story time and reflection time and I'll just leave you with some wisdom for this week Be patient with others and be patient with yourself.
Chey:I want everyone to just try this week just to be a little more patient, you know, a little quieter in mind and even in the physical. Just take time to reflect, not be, not react out of anger. But that's what I want everyone to try this week, including myself, of course. Always me first. It is always. I never say anything unless I need it for myself. Um, so just try to be more patient this week. I love you guys. Thank you so much for listening and I hope you have a great week and I'll catch you next time.