S2 Ep8: Swipe Right on Yourself | Heather Anderson | Bench to Bold

Fashion, dating, healing, and showing up fully — Heather Anderson joins Marnie and Alisa for a conversation that goes well beyond style tips. In this episode of Bench to Bold, the founder of So Heather shares how a decade-plus career in fashion influencing evolved into something far more personal: helping women over 40 navigate divorce, dating, and the kind of inner work that actually changes your life. There are stories about leaving a toxic marriage, a week-long emotional healing retreat in California, swiping right on a guy she almost passed over, and why a chance encounter on a tennis court a year earlier made all the difference. Plus: the case for in-person dating events, why energy can't be captured in a profile photo, and what it means to be "so Heather." Consider this the episode where style becomes the starting point for something much deeper.

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:
00:07 — Welcome to Bench to Bold: Introducing Heather Anderson
02:04 — How It Started: From Stylist to Influencer in 2012
04:09 — The Shift to Video and Building a YouTube Audience
05:05 — Going Vulnerable: Sharing the Real Stuff On Camera
05:18 — The Hoffman Process & Healing Before Divorce
06:47 — Dating Over 50: What It's Actually Teaching Her
07:21 — Red Flags, Green Flags & Learning to Read the Room
23:02 — What's Next: Podcast Ideas & In-Person Dating Events
24:35 — The Tennis Court Story & Why You Can't Judge Energy From a Photo
25:06 — Hot Yoga, Dolce the Shiatsu & Family Moments in the Kitchen
26:00 — Meet Hezi — and Baby Cal Coming Soon

ABOUT HEATHER ANDERSON:
Heather Anderson is a fashion and lifestyle influencer helping women over 40 look modern, feel confident, and truly love the way they show up in the world. With over 250,000 followers across YouTube and Instagram and more than a decade of experience, she's built a trusted platform — So Heather — rooted in real, wearable style and refreshingly honest storytelling. Heather is also known for her candid take on dating over 50, sharing real-life experiences and hard-won wisdom to help women navigate relationships with confidence and self-respect.

Find her on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/soheatherblog/
On YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeatherAndersonFashionOver40

Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BenchtoBold

Follow Bench to Bold on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/benchtobold

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:07

Hi everyone. Welcome to another episode of Bench to Bold. I'm Marnie. And I'm Elisa. And we're so excited. We have a great guest today. All of our guests are great, but I, you know, I really am a big fan of Heather Anderson. And I'm going to read Heather's bio because I like to typically memorize these, but there's so much on here, and I just want to make sure that everybody knows how great Heather is. Okay. Thank you. So Heather Anderson is a fashion and lifestyle influencer, helping women over 40 look modern, feel confident, and truly love the way they show up in the world. With over 250,000 followers across YouTube and Instagram and more than a decade of experience, she's built a trusted platform rooted in real wearable style. She shares simple, practical fashion tips that make getting dressed feel effortless because she believes when you dress better, you feel better. And when you feel better, your whole life elevates. Heather is also known for her refreshingly honest take on dating over 50. As someone who's actively out there navigating in her in herself, she shares real life experiences, practical advice, and plenty of encouragement to help women date with confidence, clarity, and self-respect. Whether it's style or relationships, her mission is simple to empower women to feel confident, vibrant, and excited about this season of life. Yay! I love that. I love that Heather. Thank you. Thank you, Heather.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

Thank you for joining us. Of course. I feel like I'm frozen. My the uh my the picture of me on seeing is frozen. Am I okay?

SPEAKER_01 1:43

Yeah, good. You look great. Okay, you look fabulous, and uh we can see you perfectly and uh and you look and sound great. All right, so tell us, so I mean, what has this journey been like for you, Heather? So you're a fashion influencer, you've got lots of followers that really appreciate everything you're doing. When did you say I'm gonna go do this? Or how did it start?

SPEAKER_02 2:04

Well, so I started um my business probably 14 years ago in 2012, right after my father passed away of lung cancer. And uh I actually started out as a stylist, and so I was meeting with women one-on-one. I've always loved fashion since I was a little girl, and so I thought, you know, I really want to do something with that. And so I, you know, decided to become a stylist. And I did that for about a year or so. And then it was, you know, very time-consuming meeting with women one-on-one. And that was like in the very beginning when blogging was starting. Not actually, not many people probably even knew what it was, including myself, until someone said, You should do this blogging thing. And I'm like, what's that? And then I was like, oh, so um I had a website built and you know, I just started putting my outfits online and linking to them. And then maybe six months after that, I got hooked up with Reward Style, which is now called L, you know, like to know it, LTK. And I became a um influencer, you know, for LTK. And I think, you know, started earning money on my commissionable links, and then I started building my Instagram and started getting collaborations and just sort of snowballed from there. And I really, you know, enjoyed helping women at this stage in life, like feel amazing because I feel like there's this stigma of like, oh my gosh, once you're over 40, like it's all over, you know, you're just gonna look frumpy for the rest of your life. And it's like, no, it can actually be the opposite.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

I feel like that's when it's just getting started.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

Exactly. Because you have so much more wisdom and experience when you're, you know, over 40 than you did when you were, say, in your 20s and 30s. And so, yeah, I think it's actually better at this stage of life.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

I agree. You have more resources too. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

And more confidence in yourself. But so, I mean, you've been doing this for a long time. So you have a lot of obviously patience and resilience and tenacity. And how is how have things changed over the past, let's just say, decade with social media and you know, getting out there and sharing things that you like and and letting us know, you know, what we can be doing to improve ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Yeah. So I mean, I guess one way it's changed is more video. Like when I first started, it was all about photos and posting, you know, posting a lot of photos of your outfits. And then it really went to video, which is why I launched my YouTube channel six years ago. And once I did that, like that really helped me just create a whole new audience. And I really liked that, just like being able to be on camera and just like talk about fashion. But more importantly, I like talking about more vulnerable things like dating and how I got out of a toxic marriage that I was in for, you know, 15 years and I got divorced three years ago. And so that's been a really big part of my life in the last couple of years, and I've shared a lot about it because I want to help other women. I know there's a lot of women in this, you know, my same boat, you know, that are divorced or stuck in a you know, unhealthy relationship. And so I really want to help women with that aspect of their lives as well, not just the fashion piece.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

Yeah, I love that you're so vulnerable. Was there, did that happen just you deciding, hey, I'm just gonna do this, or was this more of what was the decision to really open up and go on camera and share those things?

SPEAKER_02 5:18

Because I, you know, I do love fashion. Don't get me wrong. Like I said, I've loved that since I was a little girl, but what I'm a real, you know, I don't know what the correct word to say is, but like what I'm really passionate about is just like I've had so much therapy and I've done a like a lot of healing work, and I like went off to this really great place called the Hoffman Process, which is like this week-long emotional healing treatment center in California. And I did that right before I I filed for divorce. And you know, it's a lot of experiential therapy and a lot of like inner child healing work and all these things, and I just it just really helped me so much. And so that is another passion of mine that's maybe even a little bit stronger than the fashion piece that I'm I just feel called. I feel like God wants me to share that part of my life, otherwise, He wouldn't have allowed me to go through it.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

I feel like when you share things like that, you actually build so much trust with your followers. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

Because I don't want to just I don't want women to think like, oh, you know, it's all fun and games over here, unicorns. Like, yeah, like I don't look like this most days. I yeah, and some days I cry, some days I'm sad, some days I'm anxious, some days I'm yeah, and then yeah, of course I have happy, fabulous days too, but they're not all happy and fabulous, as we all know. And so I try to be as vulnerable as possible because I want women to see me as a real woman and not just somebody in front of the camera that has to look pretty or try to look pretty.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

Well, you always look pretty. It's inner beauty also that radiates. So I think that that's why people are drawn to your YouTube channel and are drawn to look, you know, following you on the social media. But all right, so the um dating over 50 was that something that you said, all right, I'm gonna now start sharing my experience, like because it's so real and I love listening to your stories. And I of course learn a lot from hearing what you say, and I just love it. So I I I know that I I'm I cannot, I'm not the only one that loves it. Yeah. And uh so tell us about that.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

Well, so you know, actually, when I got divorced and um I left that marriage and everything, I honestly thought I was gonna start talking about like how to leave a toxic relationship. I really thought I was gonna focus on that. But then I decided, you know what, that I don't, that's not something I want to focus on. I don't want to focus on that part of my life. And then I did just naturally start dating. And then I was like, wow, like this is really teaching me a lot about myself. Like, you know, interacting with with men and you know, recognizing red flags, recognizing green flags and all these things. So I was like, you know what? I just decided to get I I started a TikTok uh channel or whatever, TikTok page, whatever you want to call it. And I just started talking about dating only. I wasn't even sharing my fashion piece. And um, people were just like loving it, and and I and it was helping me too, because like I would have a, you know, I would date a guy for eight weeks and we would have a breakup or something, and it and I would be really upset about it, and I would just get on TikTok and start talking about it. And I was just like, it was helping me, I feel like, as much as it was helping other people, you know, and so I just was like, wow. And so once I started seeing it take off so much on TikTok, I thought, well, I guess I should start doing this over on Instagram because there's women on Instagram, they're gonna like this as well. And then I started doing it on my YouTube channel. And and again, I really love talking about that stuff, like even more in the fashion stuff.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

Yeah, well, it, you know, you can definitely tell that you enjoy sharing uh your stories with the viewers because it's so authentic and genuine. All right, so the name of our show is called Bench to Bold and kind of gave you a little bit of a heads up. What were some moments in your life where you felt like you were benched? I mean, are there uh, and it doesn't have to necessarily be um anything too personal, but just some few moments. And then also now, you know, living your bold life, like what is that like? How does that feel?

SPEAKER_02 9:22

Well, I mean, I would say one thing that made me feel benched was being divorced. You know, and I've actually been divorced twice. Uh I was I was I married my high school sweetheart at a pretty uh pretty young age. Actually, it was 19 when I married him. We had two wonderful children, and I'm so grateful for that marriage because I have my two kids and I'm about to be a grandmother. My 26-year-old daughter is pregnant, so I'm so excited about that. Congratulations. Um, and then I was divorced for three years, and then I and then I you know remarried uh my second husband and was married to him for 15 years and no kids, and so and then divorced again three years ago. So I would say that I felt benched after the divorce because being around a lot of my girlfriends are married, and you know, and I missed that. I loved being married. I love, I mean, I believe two is better than one, and I don't think that I'm broken just because I still do want a husband and I desire a husband, and I know that I will have another husband. Hopefully, it will be my last husband next time around because I've learned a lot of lessons, you know. So, yeah, so even right now in my singlehood, and especially like getting on social media and continuing to talk about my dating. I mean, I have heard people say, like, wow, like what how are you, how are you still single? Why are you still single? Something must be wrong with you, you know, and that makes me feel benched too. And then I start to get in my head, like, well, maybe I shouldn't share so much about my dating. But then I'm like, you know what? No, I'm not gonna do that because I really don't care what those people are saying about me, anyways. It's none of my business what people say about me. That's like one of the best tips my therapist ever gave me. And so, you know, I'm I think I could answer that question by saying I'm still single because because I'm not gonna settle and I and I have high standards and I learned a lot from my past, and you know, I'm still work in progress.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

And still, you know, who knows what the I think it has a lot to do with also setting boundaries for yourself, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:20

Yes, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

I think when we're in our twenties, because I've been there too, um divorced twice and um now remarried, and after my second divorce, I was single for ten years and I thought, you know what, I'm not gonna do this again. No. I'm just gonna, you know, work on myself and I did that. I worked on myself. I had the job that I loved. Um, I had the I had a new place that I was living that I loved and everything was so positive in my life and I just focused on myself, my job, uh, my career, my family, and my dog. And when I started doing that and became so comfortable with me and being alone and enjoying and enjoying my me time and my and hanging out with my friends, even if they were married, you know, I was always I feel like the third wheel, but I didn't feel like the third third wheel, right? But once I started doing that, I found the love of my life. And I've been married going on eight years. And where did y'all literally from from the we met online on a site called Our Time. Okay. Did that be a good one? And it was for men over fifty men over fifty and women uh had to be over forty. I don't even know if it's still around, but I actually learned about the site um from a friend of mine um who met her husband on there and she begged me to do it. She said, just try it. And I was uh in medical sales for thirty years and I had, you know, traveled five states at some point of my life and d had a lot of emails that I had to come home and do because obviously you can't do them when you're driving. So, you know, I worked eight hours a day and then I would come home, go to the gym, and then come home, have dinner, and answer emails for work or plan my day for the next day or week. And so the last thing I wanted to do was come home and get online and decipher through a lot of a lot of guys. Um yeah, a lot of guys and emails. But I did, I gave it, you know, a try and I'm glad I did because it worked out. So from actually my first date a year later to the date we were married. So we were engaged in six months and married. And you know, he didn't and he didn't have a picture up to start with. And so I responded to him and said, Where's your pick question mark? And then I kind of forgot about him. And it was just because I was just doing me at that point. But I had also learned to set boundaries through going to counseling. And when you learn to set boundaries, you know, things start to lose people lose the wrong people, which is fine.

SPEAKER_02 13:52

And I think that's a good filtering thing. You lose the wrong people, and I've definitely lost a few guys because of boundaries, and that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

And you have to do that with friends as well. Right. I've had to set boundaries with friends, with family, um, and you lose those people. But is it really a loss?

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Exactly. Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

All right. So, Heather, uh, those are definitely some moments, and I think very relatable people can understand being benched, feeling that kind of uh those feelings, but obviously you're a very positive and optimistic person. So, what are some moments where you now are feeling that you're living a bold life and are making choices that will bring you to where you know that you want to be?

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Um, I would say one thing is yeah, just getting online and being vulnerable and sharing my experiences that makes me feel good. I'll also when I get comments from women saying, oh my gosh, you know, you you sharing your story helped me so much, you know, and that bad to me is is huge. I feel like when I know I've helped somebody, that just makes me feel so good. And then another thing is just, you know, dating and being able to walk away from a man when he doesn't treat me the right way, or if I set a boundary, for example, and he doesn't respond in the right way, which is kind of what happened most recently with this last guy that I dated. I kind of noticed like three big red flags. Uh, one of them being like his texting energy like completely shifted, like not just the frequency of his texting, but also the tone, and it was very strange. It's like he went from being super sweet and nice, like all like a couple texts a day to like very cold and neutral. So that was like a red flag. And then he just didn't seem very curious about me and wasn't asking a lot of questions in the beginning. And so I felt like that was also a red flag. And then when I set like a boundary physically with him, he kind of pushed it a little bit. And that was like, I feel like the ultimate red flag. But because I'm not afraid to be alone to what you were saying earlier, I was able to just say, send this man a text and just say, you know what? I wish you the best, but I just don't think we're the best match. You know, um, I did say because, you know, I feel like you pressed my boundaries a little bit, and you know, I was honest because I feel like he needed to know that, you know, and then that was it. And he was just like, okay, thanks for letting me know. Sorry to hear that. Best of luck. And so, like, I have no hard feelings towards him, but I'm proud of myself and and I have to love myself enough to do that. And I'm just making room for the right person to come along when I'm able to cut someone off. You know, when you're dating, I think that's super important as a woman is you need to not be afraid to be alone so that you will cut something off if your intuition is telling you this isn't right.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

I think that that's so important to just to know that you're great by yourself. I mean, and that you like yourself and that you can go and keep yourself busy and occupied, and that obviously, you know, having a great partner is something that, you know, that will come along uh when when whenever, but obviously you know that you like to do these things. All right. So as far as the fashion goes, um, who inspired like how did you get interested in fashion when you were younger? What was that about? Was it your mom or was it somebody in your family that that dressed nicely or what was that?

SPEAKER_02 17:14

So since I was a little girl, I feel like I was born with it. Like, well, my grandmother, my mom's mom, was very fashionable. And I did always notice, like as a little girl, like four, five, six years old, like she was always dressed so beautifully and always had like beautiful jewelry on and her makeup and hair done and nails, and I just always admired that about her. Like I just thought she was so beautiful, and she was, of course, very kind and loving. And so I just always had a love for that, you know. And then I remember when I was a little girl, my neighbors bought me these like platform heels back from China when I was like four, and I literally did not want to take them off. I thought they were the coolest things in the entire world, and um, anyway, so so yeah, I've just kind of been, I guess, born that way. But then also my father was also also very stylish, and um, him and I would go shopping together, and um, I just I've always loved it, and it always makes made me feel good when I would put on a really great outfit. And then I just kind of got the idea because I didn't realize like, okay, I can actually help other women do this. Like it really wasn't a thing until I don't, y'all probably know who Rachel Zoe is. Well, I saw the Rachel Zoe show like the long ago when she had that TV show and she was like a celebrity stylist, and I was like, wait, you can do that? Like, that's a you can like be a stylist. And so I was like, I'm gonna do that. Um so I did it. So I was like, that I'm gonna do it. Yeah, so I did it, and here I am.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

Do you ever feel like you need a personal stylist for yourself?

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Um, I don't because I mean I definitely get inspiration from other women, of course, you know, um, tons of, you know, celebrities or influencers, absolutely. But I I think I'm I think because I can't I think because I am, I do consider myself a stylist that I don't feel like I need one because I can do that for myself.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Sometimes I feel like I get overwhelmed in my closet and I stand there because I'm a fashion influencer as well, not on the level that you are. Um, but I've never been a personal stylist. Um, but I feel like I put myself together pretty well. But sometimes there's just that one thing that you stand, I stand in my closet and I'm like, what in the hell can I wear with this? Like I have a pair of boots. I'll give you an example. I just got from Stodd, Staled, Stod, however you pronounce it. Um, and they are, I'm a Carolina Panthers fan, and they're Carolina Panther blue. And so I was so excited to wear them to an event a couple of weeks ago, and I put them on with an outfit that I thought they looked fabulous with. And my husband was like, Honey, you're not wearing that, right? And I so there's that one thing that you feel like what can you know? So sometimes I feel like I need a personal stylist.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

Yeah, that's okay. That's okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

I'd love to see a picture of those boots, and maybe I can't. Yeah, so I was gonna say, can I can I screenshot you a picture of those boots and you let me know what you what I can wear them with because they're beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

Yeah, I would love that.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Well, so that is just so and that's what I think that's why people really resonate um with you, Heather, is that you are so open and kind and have such a a great, easy-going way about you. And one of the great fun things as a woman on social media is that, you know, you can make friends. Like we're friends on social media. Alisa was saying, how do you know Heather? I'm like, well, we met on social media a couple years ago, we have mutual friends, but like we have things in common. We're both, you know, women, obviously, we have that in common, and we're nice people and we're moms and similar. Yeah, and we can cheerlead for one another. And so I think that that's something that's so great. And that is social media has its own, you know, its own thing. But I think that ultimately it can bring people together that really do want to celebrate one another and and cheer for one another. And uh, and so that's why I I I get to be a fan of yours. Yeah. And I love what you're doing and and sharing great information and tips, styling relationships, being a mom. I know your daughter recently was married, and now you're gonna be a grandmother. So we'll look forward to all of those things. So, how will um your and tell everybody where they can find you on social media, first of all.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Yes, well, thank you. And I want to say I all I also love following you guys and I admire y'all so much. And I love I'm gonna start listening more to your podcast. I can't wait. Um, but yeah, so on uh Instagram on Sew Heather blog, and my website is soheather.com and on YouTube it's just my name, Heather Anderson.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

And so the So Heather, is that was that like an expression that people would be like, oh, that's you know, just so Heather? Or how did that come up?

SPEAKER_02 21:46

Yeah, exactly. People would see like a shirt or a jacket, and they'd be like, Oh my gosh, that's so Heather instead of I love that. I think I'm just gonna that's what I'm gonna be is So Heather.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

I I it works, you know, it obviously It has can clearly been working. So keep being So Heather. And uh and so what's next on the uh on the So Heather agenda?

SPEAKER_02 22:11

Well, I was thinking about I've actually been thinking about starting a podcast, and you know, I already have my YouTube channel, and so um it actually wouldn't even maybe, I mean, be as difficult as I might make it out to be in my own head. Um, you know, so that might be a podcast on like, you know, divorced and and dating over 50 or, you know, something like that, something about empowering women at this middle stage of life. That's you know, that's that might be what's on my radar. Also, I was thinking about something um like a dating event meeting place for people over 40 to meet in person, uh, hosting events maybe because a lot of people are so over the apps, although I still think it's a thing you kind of have to do because that's where most people are that are single, you know. So I'm not gonna rule that out, but who knows? We'll see.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

Yeah, well, that's a great idea. We have a restaurant in Charlotte, and uh a few other restaurants are doing it. So we kind of followed their lead. Um, and they do kind of single and ready to mingle, and they do events surrounding, you know, maybe it's Monday night football, so we have a single ready to mingle, and we do a theme. Yeah. So that's cute. Yeah, that's and Pete, there's great turnout for those things. I mean, I feel like, you know, it's kind of like speed dating.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

Exactly. I think that'd be a great idea because you don't know somebody from a picture on their profile. In fact, um I have a date on Saturday night with a guy that I would have absolutely swiped no on if I would have just seen him and is on the profile. But because I met him in person like a year ago on the tennis court, I liked his energy and I just kind of felt this like connection to him, oddly enough, with with the within the first like 10 seconds of meeting him. And but we didn't even really talk, and then I never saw the guy again until a year later, which is a couple days ago on Bumble. And so I, you know, he had swiped right on my profile, so I swiped right back and we matched. But again, I never would have swiped right on him had I not met him in person a year ago. So that just goes to show you that, you know, you really can't tell somebody's energy from a photo. So when you're on those apps, you really should give people more of a chance, you know, even if you think like they're slightly attractive, you know, maybe swipe right, like you don't have to like think they're like the hottest guy in the world to, you know, for you to swipe right on.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Yes. Well, I think that's good advice. I mean, but just in general, also, that's good advice just to maybe be to take a moment and not be so critical or judgmental. Obviously, you know, you want to have your own boundaries and you want to know what works right best for you, but but those things. All right, so in closing, Heather, what do you do for fun? What are some fun things that you like to do that uh when you're not posting and blogging and um helping us out with all sorts of good things, what do you like to do?

SPEAKER_02 25:06

Yeah, so I love to do hot yoga. I'm the hot yoga addict. I do bikram hot yoga, which is amazing. I love walking my dog. I have a little shihtzu dolce. She is my favorite little girl. She's like the best thing ever. And um, you know, I love going out with my girlfriends, going to dinner, having a glass of wine on the patio, enjoying things like that. I love playing tennis. I love playing pickleball. I love hanging out with my family and um just like cooking a meal, having my family over, laughing with my, you know, brothers and my son and my daughter, and you know, just kind of hanging out with my family. Like it's the small moments where we are just sitting together in the kitchen eating a meal and laughing. Like those are some of my favorite, most prized moments. Yeah. That I I get it.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

So have you decided on what you're going to be called as a grandmother?

SPEAKER_02 26:00

Yeah. So I'm gonna be called Heazy, which is my when I was um uh when my niece was little, she couldn't say Heather. So instead of saying Aunt Heather, she said Aunt Heazy. And so then people just then she started calling me Heazy, and then it just kind of clicked. And so everybody, yeah, it'll be Heazy, H-E-A-Z-Y. I love it. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

All right, so I I have I'm I'm envisioning a so heasy um Instagram account opening up very soon. Adventures with Heasy and Grandchild.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

So you'll definitely be seeing him. He's it's a little boy. My daughter knows it's a boy, so his name's gonna be Cal, C-A-L. So you will definitely be seeing sweet little Cal on my on my Instagram if she allows it. I think she will.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

Yes. All right, well, we will look forward to that. So, Heather, thank you so much for joining us. Everybody, I'm telling everybody, go follow. So, Heather, you will not be disappointed. She's great, and uh there'll be cute grand grandson videos coming soon. But Heather, thank you, and thank you everyone for joining in on this episode of Bench to Bold. I'm Marnie. And I'm Alisa, and uh, we'll see everybody really soon. Thanks.