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The Road Traveled
Ep 10: Truth And The Thin Line
We take an honest look at lying through Scripture and real-life stories, from white lies at home to ethical gray areas at work. We weigh intent, omission, trust, and the pull to justify, and we point to prayer, repentance, and courage as the way back to truth.
• Scripture foundations on lying and truth
• White lies in family traditions and impact on trust
• Self-deception and the habit of justification
• Definition of lying and the role of intent
• Omission versus full disclosure in sales ethics
• Consequences for character, reputation, and relationships
• Cultural distrust, politics, and advertising examples
• Moral dilemmas and aligning with God’s character of truth
• Practical steps: pray, seek alternatives, confess, correct
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Welcome to The Road Travel, a Christian podcast for men, where real faith meets real life. Through honest conversations and personal stories, we help you apply God's word to your everyday journey by sharing the road we've traveled. Whether you're walking through challenge, change, or calling, this is your road. And you don't have to travel it alone. Now, let's take the next step with your hosts, Aaron Degler and Alan Hugator.
SPEAKER_01:Welcome back to The Road Travel. Thanks for taking a little time to join us today. We always like to on The Road Travel. Our hope is that we meet you on the road that you're on and we share some of our thoughts, our wisdom, some scriptures from the Bible, and how they've impacted our life, how we take those and how we apply them to our and be applicable in our everyday life. And that is our hope today. As we share a little bit of our discussion between Alan and I, I'm I'm Aaron, your host, and Alan Hugator, your host. We're just gonna have a conversation and share a little bit about our thoughts with some scripture as we go through today on the road traveled. So I'm gonna let you kind of start.
SPEAKER_03:What a great way to start, huh? Okay, today I want to be reading from Proverbs 12 and 22. Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight. And I want to go ahead and add another one that goes along with our topic today. And most of you know this, but it's Exodus 20 and 16. It's in the Ten Commandments that you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. Which puts us on the topic of today is the word lying or a lie.
SPEAKER_01:And we're gonna uh we're gonna talk about white lies, big lies, little lies, all the lies in between.
SPEAKER_03:There's a lot of lies in this world. Just from your thoughts, because we know if we think it, the same as doing it. And but it goes from your thoughts, your actions with your family, your your lying and being deceitful to the world, or whatever that lie entails, we're gonna cover part of it. And part of it's hard to say exactly what's what, but lying is a sin. I mean, it just said that in Exodus. Word it a little different, but but lying is a sin. And we know that uh a sin is a sin. The Bible does not say all sins are equal.
SPEAKER_01:So so telling a child that there's an Easter bunny or a tooth fairy.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. You think that's a sin?
SPEAKER_01:Are we lying?
SPEAKER_03:Well, I guess the Easter bunny, if you said it laid the eggs, or did you say it go gathered the eggs or whatever you do? But telling them that the tooth fairy brought the money is truthful lie. What about it at Christmas with Santa Claus?
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. Does he bring the gifts? I'm not saying there's not a Santa Claus. I'm just saying, does he bring the gifts to your home for those children and put them out? But we set the example that it is. Okay, well, that's a fairy tale, you know, that's all that's just for fun for the kids' entertainment. We're giving you guys that's listening a lot of things to think about today. And you need to read your scriptures and get right with God and talk to him about this. But is a lie a lie? Is a white lie? Is it evil? Is it a sin? Yes, it's a sin. A lie is a sin. How harmful it is and all that we think, let's leave that to God's judgment, not ours, because we don't know. That's God's judgment. Not for us to do. But we're gonna talk about a lot of ways of that we see every day in this world about lies.
SPEAKER_01:And and it's not just those ones we do verbally, like you mentioned, it's it's those lies we tell ourselves. I think sometimes those lies to make things okay.
SPEAKER_03:That I don't look as old as uh I really do.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. Yeah. So, oh, that's oh that's not a wrinkle.
SPEAKER_03:That's just a that's not a wrinkle, or yeah, you know, I can't this done or I can do that. It can be harmful to you by telling yourself a lie. Very much so. Is it evil? It depends how far you take it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It you know, it lies, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna start working out tomorrow. You know, then then we don't necessarily always call that a lie because well, I just didn't get around to it. I was gonna do it, you know, but I just didn't get around to it. So there's some things like that that we don't necessarily qualify as a lie.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, you spoke of qualification, but lie. What is a lie? I'll use this definition and I got out of the dictionary. Okay. It says to make a false statement with the intention to deceive. I think we've already jumped over here to who are we to deceive and for what reasons. And using a word I've got written all over this paper is justification. You think you you not you, but the world thinks they can justify a lot of these lies. Some people think they can justify a lot of sins that happen. We don't get to do that, we don't get to do any of that judging. We don't get to change up what God's intention. But justification, people say it all the time. Well, I said that to keep them out of trouble. Or I said that I said that to keep my wife from coming down too hard or hurting her feelings. I didn't I didn't make that statement saying I have, but I will say this every person has lied at some time in their life.
SPEAKER_01:There's one person in the world that has never lied.
SPEAKER_03:Right. But he never committed any sin.
SPEAKER_01:None.
SPEAKER_03:And we've committed all kinds of sins. But we all have lied. Every one of us have lied. Well, you fish any? You ever been fishing? Yeah. You ever went to tell your story about to somebody that has been fishing? You didn't catch the biggest fish, did you? No. No, somebody else tells you the story about how they caught the biggest fish.
SPEAKER_01:The biggest fish. Right. And so you never caught the biggest fish. No. But you know, and and sometimes I think you know, what we again, it's justification in a way, because as time goes on, our memory starts to alter the events. Because our memory isn't always accurate of the event. So sometimes we could be not telling the truth, but we believe it is the truth. So that that gets another question, you know, is it a lie if you believe it is it's the truth? If you firmly believe that is the truth.
SPEAKER_03:You're not lying because you believe it to be the truth. So that's you had no intent by definition. Yes. There was no intent there to deceive no one who thought it was the truth. But when you tell one, I mean there's so many reasons why lies are told. I mean, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01:So so so then, you know, what is our responsibility then as Christians when we do lie, or when we come up with the thought to lie, either to ourselves or others, what's our um what's our responsibility? And how do we live that life out?
SPEAKER_03:One reason that I've been involved in a lot of Bible studies the last 10 years and helped start this one here, Iron Sharpens Iron, is I want to know the truth. When I look at that Bible, I want to know it's the truth. It's God's word, it's the truth, and I want to understand it where I do not deceive no one by saying this, believing that to be the right, and I'd be leading them wrong. I want to know the truth. So if I'm leading someone or telling them someone something, I want it to be the truth. I want it to be right in line with what that Bible says if I'm talking to someone about an issue or something in the Bible. I want to know the truth. I don't want to misinterpret something and sure sit there in front of some other men or students or whoever or children or whoever and tell them this and lead them the wrong way because I didn't understand. Was it a CNN? No, because I didn't know. I was not lying. But that's one of the most important things to me is to know the truth.
SPEAKER_01:So then what you know, when we when they're because even as adults, I mean, as kids, we you know, we think we lie quite a bit because why do we lie usually when we're kids? Because we don't want to get in trouble. And usually we lie even as adults, because again, it's the root cause. We don't want to get in trouble. We don't want somebody mad at us, we don't some for whatever reasons, you know, have consequences, somebody get mad. There's consequences to those things when we get in trouble, so we don't want to lie. So how do we, you know, you talk about justification and you have justification written all over the place, then how do we deal with that when we say, well, I'm trying to justify that lie as a Christian? What do we do when we keep telling ourselves I can justify that lie? To whether it's, you know, to a child, to a spouse, to a coworker, to just somebody in general.
SPEAKER_03:Well, we usually duck out on it and say there was no harm there. We find an escape goat within that lie. You know, or it was just a white lie, or that was just this. We justify, but we use escapegoat of some kind is a term that comes to my mind.
SPEAKER_01:Because probably you you have auctions and people, consignment auctions, people drop stuff off, and probably they don't tell the whole truth sometimes about the things they leave because the consequence will might be it doesn't sell. If if you were to be up there and say, you know, this is a fine-looking truck, it looks good on the outside, but that engine won't run for nothing.
SPEAKER_03:I I done thought up this little story, and it goes right along with it, but at one of my consignment sales here at Bowie, well, this guy brought in a truck and I was asking him about it, and wrote his name and address, and all everything down, getting it all down, and I was writing there and uh I said, Good truck. Oh, yeah, it runs out good and everything. I said, Well, that'd be great. I said, you know, it's a pretty nice truck, be glad to sell it for you, and everything. I said, but there ain't no problems with it or nothing. Well, the transmission is not very good. I said, The transmission's not good? And he said, No. And I just had my chalk in my hand and I put bad transmission up on the windshield. So everybody could see it. Uh-huh. And he goes, Whoa, whoa, don't do that. They won't nobody want to buy it. And I said, Hey, I tell what I know. It's a consignment cell, so as you said, they don't always tell me everything it's wrong. And I use that disclosure that I don't know. It's not my stuff. I hadn't run it. But in this case, I said, I hadn't drove his truck, but you didn't tell me his bad transmission. I'm going to disclose that to potential buyers. First off, it's the right thing to do. There's all kinds of consequences when you don't, right? Most lies, there is consequences. And he said, Well, I ain't gonna sell it then. I just went and took the tag off of it and said, take it on home. I left it written on his windshield so he had to clean it off later.
SPEAKER_01:But but and and too, the thing is there, if if you agree and you follow along with that lie, now you know, if you sell things and no they don't tell you, you don't know. So you're selling it in good faith, you know, it may or may not work based on what they've told me. But if he tells you, and then we become part of that lie and we go, well, okay, we'll just leave that off there, then it has consequences, and then it it starts to diminish our character.
SPEAKER_03:Well, you just had to lie yourself because you knew better. Or I would have, in that case, I would have been a liar also, especially if I said boys look good truck, then I become a liar also, right?
SPEAKER_01:So so i is that true even when you said good truck and then you left off yeah, you know, that's the lies because I know more to the story. So even if you admit uh you don't necessarily I said it looks good to you.
SPEAKER_03:You just don't tell all the truth, but it looks good to me, boys should be a young judge. But if I know that, then it don't look good to me as the auctioneer. No, I know better, so I don't represent it that way. We put it up there for lots of reasons. Do we disclose? Number one is your you know, reputation, you gotta stay in business, you know. But you don't want to deceive nobody. Really, you don't want to do that. There's a lot of things in this world and people that do look at a lot of the ads that we see every day.
SPEAKER_01:So so then if we just don't tell everything, if we omit some of the stuff, is that still in a way deceiving and lying? If we don't tell the whole truth. You know, we we tell part of it, but knowing that if we didn't say that.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't say that, you know, the transmission was bad. I didn't say the rear end had little noise in it. But if he just said make it okay. If you know it, you're supposed to disclose it.
SPEAKER_01:But he still would have been responsible if he said, Oh, it's a good truck and never told you the rest of it. Well, the transmission's got some problems.
SPEAKER_03:You know, that's what happens whenever you buy the trucks. Then he comes, hey, this train hardly moved good. You know, transmission ain't good. Mm-hmm. So it comes back at me, and here we go. All over a lie.
SPEAKER_01:There's always repercussions to a lie. And because again, he did he said it was a good truck. He just, and it was, if you probably fixed the transmission, but he just omitted, I mean, if he were to omit the rest of that part, then it's still a lie. Because you're not telling the whole truth. And I think sometimes, again, justification, we justify. Well, I didn't lie. I just didn't tell the whole truth. Which therein is the lie.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I mean, you can you can use that as the the oh use car dealer if you want to use it, and I don't mean to pick on nobody's career or nothing, because they maybe they tell everything. I don't know. But if some there's a lot of businesses out here that they can represent it falsely. There's a lot of things that's represented falsely. That's advertised every day that people fall off into the cracks. I had a guy one time and I bought something off of him, and he said, Oh, you should have checked it out better. I said, You told me it's all right. Well, you ought to check it out better. So it's my fault. He didn't lie in his eyes. It's my fault because I didn't check it out better. But he lied.
SPEAKER_01:He didn't tell you.
SPEAKER_03:Right. Because when you ask if there is a problem with it, then they should disclose that there is.
SPEAKER_01:It's the same as, you know, you see those infomercials for like the ab cruncher. And you see a guy that's got a six-pack ab, and he just showed there doing, you know, a few crunches. And the assumption is that oh, if I just do that a few times, I'll have those same six-pack abs.
SPEAKER_03:It's deceptive.
SPEAKER_01:If deceptive. And that deception they didn't say because now we never said that you'd have a six-pack ab by doing just a few crunches.
SPEAKER_03:But the people watching, they got perception, not deception. But a perception of hey, that's the way that'll be.
SPEAKER_01:Mm-hmm. Which is deceptive.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly. Yeah. So you have to be good about where you mark the line and what you think you feel good with. But if it's kind of shady, you better watch it. But there's so many little things that's lied on every day, as you said with a child. Well, what would make you matter than what they done is if they lied to you and said they didn't do it. That always usually upset a parent, even worse. Well, my son, if he broke a window, I said, Did you break it? No, no, no, no. Then later on found out he did, I'd be more hurt because he lied to me than I would be over the window that was broke. I don't think that's the way God looks at us. Admit it. Don't lie about it.
SPEAKER_01:And then do you think then it's res we lie because we don't get in trouble. But then do we need more environment of trust? Because we lie, because what do we think that other person's gonna do? You know, what do we think the consequence is gonna do? Do do we, you know, is it because our kids didn't trust us enough to tell us the truth? You know, and and I don't know. It's just it's just a question that uh just came to me. It was like, you know, you know, and it feels like I think with my kids, no matter how much I said, if you just tell me the truth, I'm not gonna be near as mad as if you lied to me. And then they'd still lie, because it maybe they didn't believe that I wouldn't be that upset. That maybe as a parent we didn't do enough good, a bet a well enough job of them trusting us to know that, oh, if I if they find out I'm lying, I'm gonna get in big, big trouble. If I just tell them the truth, it won't be quite as bad. So then do we you know, is is it trust relationship with those that were around?
SPEAKER_03:And I don't know. Do you think that you have a trust with a lack of trust with the current society we live in? And why is that? Do you trust your politician?
SPEAKER_01:Uh not necessarily when you look around.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, whether stuff is advertised, whether it's your politician, whether it's uh the oxygen I run or whether it's up here somewhere else, or it's uh just look. Where do you put your faith? Where do you put your trust? Our society has gotten to be so bad that we don't have any trust in our society. I had a guy one day he said, you're Too easy, you know. You you just trust them. Shouldn't we? Why can't we be able to trust them? If we don't trust somebody, you know. But I know some guys that can't even trust their spouse. Some married people, I should say, pick on the women. But they can't even trust their spouse maybe with uh with a check with a line of credit or something. And they get lied to there. Well, what kind of relationship is that? You know.
SPEAKER_01:And I think even sometimes we try to lie to God. You know.
SPEAKER_03:Well, who hid from him? Right first, right out of the box. The first lie in this world was involving Eve, right?
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03:And Satan said, you know, that oh, it ain't gonna hurt you to eat that. You be right. You're gonna die. I believe it's what it is. It would bring death. You will die.
SPEAKER_01:It's gonna bring power, and you're gonna know more than God. Go ahead. So he lied. This very first lie in the Bible.
SPEAKER_03:Right there. And we wonder why lying's bad. Mm-hmm. She trusted what he said.
SPEAKER_01:Again, because there was no, she didn't know any any difference. I mean, God said, Don't do it, and but she didn't believe him. She said, Well, he must be right. You know, the devil must be right, so let me let me try that. And I mean, and that from that, everything is deceptive. And as God showed Adam and Eve, there is a consequence when you partake in a lie. Not only did the devil lie, but then they partook of that lie because God had told them something different. This is what I want you to do. Don't, you know, eat from this tree. And they did.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly. But you mentioned earlier, is there a white lie that's maybe for the good of something? Or we shared a story once about a lady that was in World War II and in France, I believe, and she had hid some Jews from the German soldiers and lied that she didn't have any, but she lied. Is that okay? She lied to protect them from the evil, right? Okay. But even in this situation, lying would still be a sin. Because it would still be violating the character of God of truth. God is truth. So it's still violating that character of God. Even though that was for the best as we see it today, that would be for the best that she tried to protect and save their lives. It's still a sin. Now the magnitude of a sin, a sin is a sin, but I don't know if one outweighs the other. In our eyes, it they do. But that we'll leave that to God to judge how little a sin or how big a sin. Because, you know, that's we we we can't get in the judgment world judging. That's his deal.
SPEAKER_01:And then then say that again about what you said about a sin violating the character of God.
SPEAKER_03:Well, if you told a lie to protect someone, it's still a lie. Right? But that's violating the character of God, because he is a God of truth. God does not lie. He's never told us a lie.
SPEAKER_01:So whenever, you know, bigger big or small lies, it any lie is still violating the character of God.
SPEAKER_03:And we can justify or we can say this or we can do that, but he's gonna be the judgment of that. I'm not saying I wouldn't lie for the to protect someone from bad evil. But I still sin against God if I do so.
SPEAKER_01:And a sin still requires us to ask for forgiveness.
SPEAKER_03:But see, the vast majority of of of lies are due to people to protect themselves or to promote themselves. Oh yeah, I do this or you know, I do that, or I talk to biggest fish, or you know, make my story bigger. And you know, or or actually because the worst thing is what is in the Ten Commandments is it's to harm someone else. You lie against someone, you bring false witness against them. But that's the very, you know, that's the those are the main reasons people lie.
SPEAKER_01:So so then so then what's our responsibility? As Christians, what I mean, what actions do we take?
SPEAKER_03:Ourselves or when we hear a lie?
SPEAKER_01:Both. Start with ourselves.
SPEAKER_03:Well, it depends how many fights you want to get into. You call somebody a liar, where are you going? I've been you know, we can get in trouble for that.
SPEAKER_02:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03:But you're gonna sit and listen to it? You're gonna be around that kind of person?
SPEAKER_01:Mm-hmm. So so then so then when you come up with do I lie, do I not lie? You know, what is our responsibility as well, Christian? What actions do we take?
SPEAKER_03:If any way possible, you try to find another avenue than to tell the lie. At first, anyway, don't just fall out, say, oh, it's just a white lie. Don't take the easy way out. Because it's a sin and you're about to commit it, and you realize that you're about to commit this sin. If you got time, you better pray on it. But if you don't, you better consider that it is a sin. But again, I don't know what I would do if I was in that lady protecting those the Jews from the Germans at that time. Wouldn't I lie to protect their lives?
SPEAKER_01:And I think too that it's just a lot of conversations we need to have with God. You know, because again, that is on each person, it's different on how far they want to push a lie. And I think that's where our communication and our relationship with God comes into play, where we're really communicating and saying, Lord, I'm struggling with this. What do I do? You know, what what avenue do I take? What words can I say? You know, those things, because it really has to go to our relationship with Him sometimes to get the answer.
SPEAKER_03:The reason I brought this topic up for us to discuss a little was I don't have great answers for it all, but I got to thinking about it. And then as I went through the days, I got to listening and watching and listening to my own brain about oh, I could have told that lie right there. Or oh, that lie nearly come out. I mean, it makes me sound like I'm a liar, but think of all the little ones that you would say. So, oh I mean, we can make a list.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, I mean, I go through them a lot during the day because I'm you don't want to hurt somebody's feelings or you know kind of build them up a little bit more than maybe they yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So I can't, like I said, we're not here to tell you the all the consequences or how bad a lie is that you've told, or you know, we can see when they're really bad, and and but then when they get out of the white lies, I have no idea, but it still is a lie. I got a good one here for you, okay? I'm not gonna ask you, have you ever? Okay. But I've heard of some people that might lie on their income tax. Okay? Yeah. Real easy to justify that. Well, I don't like the way the government spends my money. I ain't gonna send it up there to them people. I can do this right here, do this right here. You know, in the Bible, and I cannot quote scripture, but it says to pay Caesar what is Caesar's. That's right. But I, you know, I understand what it was saying there. Take care of all of that. Don't be deceptive in any way to anybody. You go ahead and pay it. You know, but is that a lie to cheat on your income tax? I'm not asking, I'm just again, we're throwing out things for you to consider, you know. So when I went through all this, I mean, I just come up with all kinds of lies that I've seen in the world, or maybe I have lied here or there, and I go, my goodness, full, this this world is of lies.
SPEAKER_01:And I don't think sometimes we realize how how full our day of conversations are, and thoughts are lies.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And and and the hope is too that through our conversation, maybe it brings those to light of how many maybe you have going on in your life. Whether it's people telling you, talking to you, maybe it's through your thoughts, maybe it's the words you're using. But it's to make you conscious, just like you said, when you start thinking about this topic, you start realize, oh, I could have, oh, that could have been, I could have said something, and you start realizing how many and what actually comes up.
SPEAKER_03:Did you remember to pay that little bill the other day, honey? Uh yeah. Yeah, I got it. And then I run over and pay it real quick before she finds out. But did I lie? Yeah. I mean, that is so and that happens. Just cover yourself. I'm like a child. Cover myself real quick. Maybe I can work out of it. That's right. Okay. I'll share another quick scripture with you. In Proverbs 12 and 19, it says, truthful lips endure forever. That was pretty powerful just in that message there. Truthful lips endure forever. But a lying tongue is for a moment. So when you think about when you do a lie, a small lie, even, that's got you safe for the moment. I got her off my case. I got them people, I lied to the bank. I'll be back. You know, I don't have the money, but I told them to give me a few more days. Whatever you lied about in your life, it's for the moment. Sure ain't forever. Because you didn't hide that lie from God. But the truth you don't have to hide from.
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03:So, you know, we it just bombarded me with all these different I sound like I'm a big old liar. But that I've seen or I've just in so innocent life. I got a guy I know, and I said, he won't lie to you, but he'll sure make a story sound good. You've seen guys like that. They'll stretch your hair or there and yonder. And there's another man in that I knew one time, and I said, That guy had rather climb a tree and lie to you as he had to stand on the ground and tell you the truth. But we've all knew people that we that you could recognize their lies easily. And it didn't bother them a bit. And this deal is just to remind us when we think of one or when we hear of one or something, to be cautious. To be cautious. Because, well, we did, you know, we don't murder and we don't do this, we don't do that, but how easy is it to lie? So to be cautious of that. That's that's the objective of this topic today.
SPEAKER_01:Like you said, we don't we don't ever have to hide from the truth. But we have to hide from a lie every time.
SPEAKER_03:Every time.
SPEAKER_01:But just do you want to hide or do you want to be able to go forward and because it does get challenging when you start to lie to think about how to keep those lies going sometimes. But like you said, you never have to hide from the truth. Right. Exactly. Well, would you like me to lead us in prayer? Yeah, I'll lead us in prayer.
SPEAKER_03:So everyone join me, please. Our Father in heaven, Lord, we just stop with and and take notice to how easy it is to sin against you, Lord, and to disappoint you with our words and our actions, Lord. Trying to cover ourselves, and yet it exposes us worse. So, Lord, I ask you to be with each and every listener that's out there, be with Aaron and myself, and help keep directing us down this road. We know it's narrow, but with your guiding hand, you can take us down the road on the path of righteousness. Lord, we come to you as a believer in your Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. Amen. Amen.
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SPEAKER_00:You've been listening to The Road Travel, where real faith meets real life. Remember, every step matters, even the hard ones. So keep walking your road with courage, conviction, and Christ leading the way. Until next time, your hosts, Aaron and Allen, say we'll see you down the road.