Pickles & Pasta EP33 - Patience, Perspective & Playing the Long Game

Episode 33 - Patience, Perspective & Playing the Long Game

In Episode 33 of Pickles and Pasta, Jay and Steph ease in with playful back and forth about their intros, getting ready to go out, and the little rhythms that make up life together before shifting into a much deeper conversation about persistence, creativity, and what it really means to stay with something.

The heart of the episode is about the strategy of not giving up. Steph reflects on building projects in an uncertain world, explaining how she approaches new ideas, slower momentum, and the patience it takes to keep going when things are not moving as quickly as expected. For her, it is never about forcing results overnight. It is about trusting the long game, staying ready, and believing that the alignment will come.

Jay expands on that by talking about entrepreneurship, setbacks, delays, curveballs, and the deeper mindset required to keep building. Together, they explore the difference between simple stubbornness and true perseverance, the kind rooted in vision, purpose, and a belief that the path is still worth walking. They also reflect on what it means to live creatively, how ideas keep arriving at all hours, and why the journey itself is often the real reward.

The episode closes with a funny and affectionate rapid fire round about seasonal changes, what they do not miss when seasons shift, and what they are most looking forward to this spring.

Topics Covered:

• Creative resilience and not giving up
• Staying committed in uncertain times
• Patience, timing, and the long game
• Why some projects move slowly
• Trusting your path as an entrepreneur
• Stubbornness vs perseverance
• The journey, not just the outcome
• Rapid fire: spring shifts and what they’re looking forward to

Keep going, trust the timing, and remember that sometimes the real win is staying with the path long enough to see it open up.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:21

Hi, and welcome to this week's episode of Pickles and Pasta.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

With Steph and Jay.

SPEAKER_03 0:29

That's perfect. Okay, that was a wrap. Thank you very much. We'll see you guys next week. How are you doing, darling?

SPEAKER_02 0:37

I'm wonderful.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Wonderful is a big word, but I'm good. Nice sunny day today, which is lovely. Not that I've been outside. It's lovely. I mean, you know, the we're in that spring forward time where not everybody springs forward at the same time, which I just don't understand at all, like why we can't coordinate that. Did you hear this thing about like somebody's thinking about splitting the difference?

SPEAKER_02 1:04

Yeah, you told me that yesterday. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why people make such a big deal about this whole thing. Honestly, it's just like spring forward, we spring forward, fall back, we fall back. Who cares? Let's just do it and stop discussing it.

SPEAKER_03 1:23

Yeah, I I yeah, and probably if we did make a decision, people would still discuss it. Like, I liked it the way it was before.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

Like it's my whole life, it's been like this. Who cares? Let's just do it. Let's go. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

Are you guys listening? Everybody listening? Steph said let's go. Like enough already.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

It's just like the things people talk about sometimes are just like, oh my god, what the it's mind-boggling, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

It's I mean, I look, I think look, we all like we most people like it when it's lighter, darker. Lighter, darker, when it's lighter longer. So I think that's what causes it a lot. But yeah, whatever. It's not it's no big deal. It's this this should be the biggest problem on the universe.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

Yeah, and it's like complaining about the winter when you've lived in the northeast your whole life. Like if you don't like it, move. Like I don't like it, but I don't complain about it. You know, it is what it is. I like the seasons, so yeah, I feel I feel you.

SPEAKER_03 2:24

I I agree with you. If you don't like it, you know, go someplace else. But I think m most of the people that complain about it are people that are not actually fitting grow up with it. Uh my experience. I think people that grew up with it, of course, nobody likes it when it's extreme anything. Like that's that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. But people like really complain about it. I find most of them are not from that place. Like people that complain about how hot it is in Miami in the summer, they're not really from there because they've lived those people have lived it their whole life. They know it, they're used to it.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

That's like a waste of the topic of conversation.

SPEAKER_03 3:03

I hear you. I hear you. But you know, listen, I'd rather people talk about that than than punch each other in the face.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

That's true. I would rather that as well.

SPEAKER_03 3:14

Yeah, but that wouldn't be good. You're walking down the street and someone just punches somebody in the face and they just keep walking.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

Well, apparently they do do that, but I I I hope that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

There are people that do that. But yeah, I'm glad it's not considered like an okay thing to do. It's still, it's still like when someone does that, people still are like, well, that's not okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

Yeah, no, that's not okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

Yeah, that's not okay. There's nobody, no punching in the face. I mean, I heard the other day, uh this is probably so incredibly irrelevant to you. Mayweather is coming back again. Like, I don't know how much time he's come back now. He obviously needs the money. And he's doing like an X to like two exhibition matches or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:54

And I just saw somebody that that I know his company is like partially financing it. They do film financing, but like not equity financing. Like, there's a film production that needs X amount of dollars. Not what Film Hedge does with the company that I work with, they do they have a different model, but they'll get into stuff, and now they've gone into like doing concerts and stuff like that. Like entertainment, like kind of entertainment financing, but it's it's like some sort of a loan financing situation, like they have not like equity, like oh, they're investing in the event, and then they'll rec they'll get it's like no, they're giving them X amount of dollars, and then they get their fee and interest or whatever. So it's an interesting model that they have. I think it's a little bizarre, but yeah, so I I heard about it, like I read about it, and then I just got an email, you know, their standard, their blast email saying that they're involved in this thing, which I guess is gonna be at the sphere, which I can't even imagine like watching a boxing match at the sphere.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

We feel like you're kind of right there in the ring with them.

SPEAKER_03 4:54

I would imagine it's quite intense. Like intense, right? It would feel intense, like by the sound and the yeah, almost feel the sweat coming off of these guys. Yeah, I'm gonna pass. I think we're gonna pass on that. We'll go go for something else. Um anyway. Right? That's not something we're that's not something you want to do.

SPEAKER_02 5:16

But I I would like to go to the sphere at some point. I I we haven't gone yet.

SPEAKER_03 5:19

Yeah, yeah. I'd I definitely would like to go to the sphere. I I think um I think Wizard of Oz uh won for something. Or or whatever it was called. I think they won they won an award, some sort of award they won, which is great. I mean, I'm happy, happy for them. Yeah. Alrighty, you wanna you wanna let's let's drive it? Let's think let's dive in. I think we're good. I think we did a nice little I like these openings. I know you think they're silly sometimes, but I just I enjoy it. Even though I could after this is over, I'm gonna go over and talk to you anyway. This is kind of it's it feels uh just feels like cool. Like it feels like you're here, but you're not here, but I know you are. I can feel it. I think I want to prepare for these intros because I'm always ready to dive right in, and I'm always like you're you are ready to dive right in regardless of the situation. Like I have to tell you, and then we'll maybe we'll dive. Maybe we won't get to the topics today. I can't answer that right now. But there was a there was a a long period of time that you were ready way before I was ready, whenever we had to go someplace. Like, noticeably ready. I don't mean like just noticeably ready, like, okay, it looks like you're ready and I'm almost ready. Like you'd have your coat on ready, and I'd be like, it would it would make me feel so much worse that I was either, and a lot of times I was on time, which I tend to be, except when things get shifted or like 12 things get added at the last minute and I didn't prepare, which is my fault. I can hear, I can hear our producer like jumping up and down saying that's right, but regardless. And then we got to a point that I was ready ahead of you for a nice little chunk of time. This is how much I've noticed. This is this feels so warm. I feel so warm right now.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

I don't really recall you waiting for me very often.

SPEAKER_03 7:02

Just the priceless, priceless. This is a this is a priceless moment. Thank God it's being recorded. Anyway, there was that little chunk of time that I was ready before you were ready, not by like an hour, but like I was I was ready. I was like, I w however I did it, I don't it wasn't, I don't know how I did it, but I did it. And now I'm feeling it shift the other way, and I got I'm being very I'm being very conscious about it. This is on record. This is not just me and you saying something or you know, conversation that whatever, maybe it happened, maybe it's not. But no, no, I'm on record now on this podcast saying I'm consciously thinking about I gotta get my game ahead of the game. I gotta get ahead of the game again. I gotta get to that point that I'm I'm ready at the movie.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

I'm all for it. We can start with the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

I I'm telling you, this this podcast right now, this entire whatever amount of time we're into the our producer is loving every second of this. I I'm I'm expecting to hear clips of it, like in the middle of a zoom we're gonna do, and he's gonna there's gonna be a clip of this coming back at me. I'm feeling it. I say that like that making him sound like a night, he like he mean he's not mean. He's actually incredibly lovely and kind and wonderful. But he kind of loves a little bit of teasing the Schweibman, and like I can I can see some Schweibman teasing coming in in my near future. So anyway, before I get myself deeper in than I already am, let's get let's get to the topic of the week. So, you know, we go back and forth with picking topics, like you'll throw some out, I'll throw some out, and then we'll decide which one we like and which we feel resonates the most. This is one of yours, and it's interesting because it kind of has come up in a few conversations that I've had, independent of you and I have a conversation, like with people that I'm I'm having a conversation with, and that the main topic is the strategy of not giving up. Like that's what that's what we're calling it. And it's just come up recently. I just have yesterday on a call that I had with somebody that I know. And you know, as creatives and as entrepreneurs or you know, business owners, you know, all the whatever titles or different things that we are, you know, you have to keep going. Like there's there, you can't you can't give up. Like you really can't. But there's a little bit of strategy in that, whether you realize it or not, I think. I feel. And you know, I've seen you, how you deal with things that it would be very easy for you to be like, who needs this shit? Like, I'm but but you don't. And I kind of wanted to get into that a little bit about like how you feel about you know, you're working on something, maybe it's not going that well, or it's not whatever, and and but but you're not giving up. Like you're somehow you're figuring out how to kind of stick through it and find a way and get to it. I'm just kind of one curious a little bit. I mean, I'm sure people love to hear, like, what how you navigate that, like how you how you, you know, what goes into your head, how you figure it out.

SPEAKER_02 10:00

Yeah, so um the reason why I wanted to talk about this is because I just feel like things are, I mean, I feel like a broken record constantly saying that things are weird in the world, but you know, obviously we just went to we just went to war with Iran, so yeah, things are weird in the world, and um we're at war, you know, out of the blue kind of out of the blue, but not really.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

Not really, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

But this now brings a lot of additional uncertainties. And so for me, I have like a lot of projects happening, and when I say project, sometimes it's a new company, sometimes it's a writing a book, sometimes it's adding new things into my existing have some fun today brand. There it means a lot of different things. So I have all these buckets happening and projects happening, and you know, there's all this uncertainty in the world. So, like things that I would have thought might be have a little bit more momentum than they are at the very moment. Not that they're stalled forever, but I think that people are a little like thoughtful. And I think like the general climate, I feel is a little like a slightly slowed down a little bit. I don't want to say paused, but I think people are a little, you know, trepidatious. Is that a word? I think there's you know, some like let's let's see how this is gonna go. And so that's kind of why I wanted to talk about this. And yeah, it relates to like not giving up because obviously these are all basically new things that I'm diving into. So there's no way I'm gonna give up on projects that I've just begun in the past six to eight months.

SPEAKER_03 12:03

Um that's not not everything is new, not everything is new, other things you are adjusting existing things.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

But really, the things that I'm focusing on, like I have my several projects, and they some of them feel a little like slow starting. And so am I a person who's gonna just abandon that? No, definitely not. I you have to have patience, you know, and you also have to be you have to realize what's happening in the world and what's happening in your backyard, and you have to factor that into you know how things are looking for your projects and know that I want to be ready when the world is ready. So I'm gonna keep on you know, plugging away at all the little things that I'm doing. And I think at some point everything's just gonna align. That's my hope and that's my belief.

SPEAKER_03 12:58

Look, you you've heard me give the advice to numerous people that you know I speak to or or I mentor or whatever, you know, that entrepreneurship is not for everybody, not everybody should have their own business. Like also, I mean, there's all that time about like anybody can start a business and everybody should have a side house level. Like, no, like not really. It takes it takes something to kind of deal with you know, the punch in the gut, or the stalled this, or the thing that you've been waiting for that you ordered that is arrives broken, or you know, all the different things that curveballs that come at you, you're laughing because it's I'm thinking about the coat. Okay, so now that you open the open open the worm can, Steph clearly loving me as much as she does, decided that I really I really could benefit from like a really warm winter coat. Like I have a very nice winter coat that Steph also got me because she felt I required that at that time. But it's a it's like a dresser, a dressier coat. It's very nice, it's warm, it's lovely, but it's like a more of a fitted dressier coat. And she thought I deserved like, you know, like one of those winter coats, whatever that means. But there's coats that you look at and you're like, well, that's a winter coat. And so we heard of a brand with a brand that we know that we like, we thought about it, and then she went and looked, and she was sure it was the brand that we liked, but it was a different brand, but it looked like it, and we like, and she showed me the coat. She liked, she's like, I think I'm gonna order it. I was like, that's great. It was like not expensive or anything like that. It looked really cool. It's like great, order it. Where are we at now with this? Like 10 weeks, roughly, 12 weeks?

SPEAKER_02 14:37

No, no, no. It's eight weeks. Um it was no, it was ordered February 9th. But in today's, in today's, you know.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

February 9th was ordered, it feels like it was a year.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

I know it does. But because we're honestly, you order things and within five to eight days, normally, normally you have it.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

Listen, when we're ordering stuff, I mean, I don't mind plugging Amazon because for the most part I really like them. I mean, we order stuff, it's practically here the second I hit enter.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

Yeah, so we're just used to that.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

So this thing that's been over a month is over a month for a coat is a long time. Like, I'm sorry. It is, it's not a custom product.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

No, I think they're actually making the coat.

SPEAKER_03 15:23

Well, they better do a good job because I've been waiting long enough. By the time it comes, I'm gonna be wearing shorts.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

I know. Well, you won't be wearing shorts because you don't wear shorts. Anyway, back to the case.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

I wear them occasionally. So stop stop confusing, stop confusing the audience. Anyway, I'm gonna wear shorts later just for you, just to show you.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Well, you have nice legs.

SPEAKER_03 15:43

Thank you. So, but but I think I think you know, you you have to have something where you can handle those things. I mean, the coat thing is funny, not funny, but I'm talking about stuff that we've ordered, we're waiting for a part, they send the wrong part, different stuff that comes up. You you know, all that kind of stuff that happens. And you have to really have something inside of you that says, I'm I'm there's no giving up here. Like it, it's there's a time when you're doing something, a project or a business that you have certain aspirations. There's a time that you get to with certain things where you're like, I thought it was gonna work, it's not gonna work, I'm stopping. Either closing the business or doing a different project, like whatever it may be. Like, I really have a great vision for this. So whether I'm gonna write a script or whether we're gonna shoot a commercial or whether you're gonna design a bag or do a painting, and you're like, you know what? I had an idea, I thought it was gonna be cool, it's not. See you later. Goodbye, I'm moving on. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the stuff that like you just know, okay, you're not there yet, but you gotta do it. And you gotta have something inside of you, you know, something that gets you through those tough days. And I and that I mean, you can maybe teach it a little bit, but I think that's something you either have or you don't.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

I think you're right. I mean, because like nobody taught me anything specific as to why I first of all thought I could start a brand.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

And you know, why I have like slowly and methodically built out this brand for over 12 years. I mean, it's it's yeah, you know, to really to really do it, it takes um a real belief very deep inside. And you know, I'm I'm looking at the long game, you know. I look at other artists and designers who believed in something, and these things don't really happen overnight, and the ones that happen overnight, they kind of don't last very long. So I'm more about building something that's lasting, and I know that that's more who I am, and I've accepted it. And honestly, to for something to even become a project for me, I put in so much thinking and sketching and discussion that by the time I really consider it a project, I've already put a ton of work into it, and I believe it's viable.

unknown 18:18

Right.

SPEAKER_03 18:19

Yeah, I mean, I think that makes sense. I mean, but you know, a lot of times, and fortunately not for us too, you know, not too often, if at all, sometimes people work on these things for a long time, they keep trying, keep trying to try, and they just burn out. Like they just they were convinced of it, they knew it was gonna work, and they just get to a point they just can't take it anymore, and they just burn out, you know. I guess. And it's it's it's it's a tricky thing because it's like, you know, you look, there's a lot of sleepless nights, there's a lot of like, you know, you don't get to go to this party, you don't get to go on that vacation, you don't get to go to this thing, go to that thing. Like, takes a lot to kind of say, I'm gonna give, you know, make these sacrifices. I mean, and yeah, I I think I think you have to have something where you somehow, it's like there's a strategy inside of you, whether you're conscious of it or not, that you're not not giving, you're not not giving up because you're just stubborn. You're just seeing it. You you see that it makes sense why this isn't working right now. You see why this isn't the way it's supposed, but but you see the path through. You somehow see, even when you're not 100% sure, you just have this like feeling. I mean, I've seen that with you, like with stuff that you were like frustrated, but you're like, no, I'm I'm just I'm gonna keep working at this. I'm gonna keep where I may put it on the side for a couple of days, but I'm I'm still working at this.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

You know, it's there's some kind of knowing that is kind of inexplainable. I just have this knowing that this is this is the path, and it's a long game. I've always been someone that plays the long game. It's a marathon, it's not a sprint, and honestly, it's the way I do everything in my life. It's just who I am.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Yeah, yeah. No, it makes sense. It makes sense. I mean, you but you've seen it, like you've seen it in your life, right? I mean, like, you know, seeing how hard your dad worked, like you've had certain outside inspirations when you went to Parsons, you saw fashion designers, you got critiqued, you were like, I'm not gonna let them get me. Like you had this kind of throughout your journey, don't you think? Like that all that stuff kind of came together to like kind of led you to this path. Like you, you may not have known you were always gonna be here, but your journey was kind of if you go back unemotionally, your journey was taking you here.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

I mean, my journey has always been to create beautiful things and to make things beautiful around me. It's always been. Every but every teacher I've ever had, my you know, just the way my father, you know, spoke to me and you know, encouraged me to do certain things, both of my parents believing in all of the things that I have begun and started. I mean, it's always kind of been my choice to do things. I've never been told no about you know, creating a business. I've always been encouraged and I have the tools and I love doing it. You know, there's something about it's it's how I live, it's part of my life creating these these entities and these products and these paintings. It is just what I am meant to do and I know it. So I'm not debating it and I'm not second guessing myself. Like sometimes I might second guess a product here and there, but as a whole, like this is my path, and I accept. It and I'm here to be a part of it.

SPEAKER_03 22:03

Yeah, I mean it's it's interesting, you know, because like you don't obviously your life is not a nine to five life, right? So you'll be doing stuff, you might get tired during the day here and there, which happens sometimes. You're like, I just need a break, and then I'll be like, okay, maybe she's a little tired today, which is fine, and then I'll be doing my thing, and then I'll go wherever you are, and and I'll be like, What are you doing? And you're like, Oh, I had this idea, I had to start working on it. And it's like nine o'clock at night. And you know, it's like it's so it's like it that's kind of the not giving up part. Like the idea comes, you're like, oh, and it was something from two days ago or from this morning or from whatever. And it's I think that part of you that you're just like you're you're always seeing things, and you're like, okay, maybe I had a hard day, or maybe I was tired, or maybe I was this, whatever, but you're not that doesn't mean like you're done. Like you're you're always kind of looking at how to kind of grow and whatever it is, whether it's a new product, whether it's a new division of a company, like it's always this kind of something like, you know, and you're doing like now doing your workshops, like you're always looking at things and seeing like, okay, there's a way to do this, and and that's kind of it's kind of how you roll. I mean, I think it's a very creative way of rolling, but I think that's how you roll.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

Yeah, and all I was gonna say is that I have this, I saw this little saying, and it said, I am an artist and life is my canvas. Sounds a little cheesy and corny, but just a little it's it's kind of it's it's kind of just who I am. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like it's life for me is you know, work is 24-7. And it's not that I'm working all the time, but at any point of the day or night, I could get an idea, and I'm I'm writing it down or I'm drawing it out. You know, when I was in Y Missing, I got up at like two o'clock in the morning and I something was keeping me up. And I went into the living room and I was thought I would just do like a meditation or something just to calm myself and clear my head because maybe my brain was overthinking. And as I'm like trying to meditate, I'm closing my eyes, pretending I'm meditating, I'm seeing all these designs. I'm seeing a sculpture that I, you know, that I want to make. I saw a new bag that I, you know, want to do. And there was another thing, I can't think of what it is right now, but at two o'clock in the morning, I get out of my meditation pose, I go into my art studio, and I drew out these things. And and that's just an example of me. Like there's no clock, but maybe I'll take maybe I'll take a 20-minute nap at three o'clock in the afternoon. Or maybe I'll be sketching on my iPad for four hours and you'll have to pull me away. It's just, it is like life is my life is my work, and this is my life. Well, but it's not bad.

SPEAKER_03 24:57

It's like I live-life, life is your work more so it life is your work is more appropriate. Some people say work is my life, and that's not that's not what it is. And people have said to me, like you're a workaholic. I'm like, I'm not a workaholic. I'm absolutely not a workaholic. I have stuff that I'm meant to do, and I'm grateful for that. That's a gift, really, the way I see it. Yeah, there are things that I'm meant to do. There are people in the universe that I'm meant to touch, not in a creepy way. And and I I that's what it is. So it's not like it wouldn't be amazing if all those things had happened and everything was in place and the world was all great, and I could just sit on my ass and just relax. Like it's not like I would be pissed at that, but it's there's things that I'm meant to do, and I enjoy doing them. I enjoy, I don't enjoy necessarily all the you know, the grunty stuff that I have to do, or you know, there's of course there's stuff that I just don't want to do, but um I grind through it because it has to be done, you know. And a lot of times you'll be like, when did you get to bed? And I'll tell you, like, geez, and I'm like, I didn't, it's not on purpose. Like, it's not like I intentionally stayed up super late. There's so many nights that I'm like, okay, tonight, tonight I'm definitely going to bed, you know, at 12 or whatever. I'm definitely, definitely, definitely. The next thing I know, it's like 1:30. And it's like, it's not like I'm, you know, putzing around or, you know, I'm not. It's not, I'm not doing that. I'm doing stuff that has to get done. And even then I don't necessarily get everything done, but I can't just let it go. I can't just be like, ah, it doesn't matter. Like it does matter. It does, it's it's it, it's not so much me, like I worry that people are gonna say something not nice about me. I don't really care about that. But there's like a certain, you know, there's a brand that I I I represent the company, I represent the brands, I represent the stuff we do. So, you know, it's gotta be right. It's I gotta make sure that person knows that I'm there for them. I gotta make sure those people get the thing that I promised to get to them. And it's just what it is. It's just it's just what it is. So I mean and look, you this has happened with both of us for sure. There is the outside chaos of the universe that comes into play that affects it.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

It does. It really does.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

You know, I've seen it with you where things happen and it really, really affects you, and I and I understand that. And I obviously I'm there here for you, uh, wherever I can be. But you know, there have been things that have happened recently, uh, just recently in the past, too, that it's the outside reality or chaos of the world, but you still have your stuff to do. And you know, you could crumble and say, okay, well, there's outside chaos, okay, everything else is gonna get paused, or you can somehow figure out a way to balance that, which you do.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Yeah. And the other thing that I would just say is like you're talking about you have all this stuff that you want to do, and you, you know, maybe it would be awesome if everything was perfect and everything was like already there, but there's something about the journey. And I try to remind myself, because right now I'm in the middle of the journey. You're in the middle of the journey, and it and that's what really what life is really about. It's not the end result, it really is the journey. And if you can remind yourself, you know, in in those moments where you're like, Oh, I'm tired, and I've got all this to do, and geez, I hope that this deal goes through, or I I hope you know, people start to order, I hope people come to my workshop, or any of the things. Like it's you just have to appreciate that you actually have something to say, and you're engaged in create in the creation of it, and that's freaking awesome because there are a lot of people who don't know what to do. Yeah, they can they it's not coming to them. I can't stop the ideas, and some people don't can't get one, yeah, you know. So I'm just grateful that I have a lot that I want to do and I'm doing it.

SPEAKER_03 29:19

I yeah, I I think you're right. It's it's an interesting thing how you know you, me, definitely other people we know that are just like they can't stop with the ideas, like they can't, and not just ideas, because coming up with ideas like anybody can come up with an idea. Like that's not a huge accomplishment, but it's coming out with an idea and figuring out how to actualize it, and then being able to do the work to actualize it, whether it ultimately succeeds or not, is something else, right? Like you could take you could take some of your designs that you've done over the years that have been huge hits that were like you designed it, we made it, whatever, and it was huge, like super successful, really well, well received, everything wonderful. And then the other ones that you did the same amount of work and it didn't work as well for whatever reason it didn't land. The reality thing is you went through the entire process, and that is the most important thing because whatever didn't work you've learned from. Like you definitely do.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

I mean definitely have you know taken mental notes of things that you know I would do differently in certain situations. Yeah, it's all experience, it's all knowledge, it's all good.

SPEAKER_03 30:31

Yeah, it's really it's it's you know, and I was thinking about it because you know, lately I've been talking to you know a bunch of college students, and we have a few college students working with us now, and I'm talking to a few others about some, you know, some of the stuff that I've been working on figuring out that are very big things, like they're very, very big. And and and you know, I'm talking to them, and you know, I'm talking to kids that are like double majoring. I mean, one of the girls is double major, dean's list, you know, crazy grades. I mean, just crazy stuff. All the kids I'm talking to are, you know, masters or like I'm a high school dropout. Like, and I'm talking to them about like and what they're going through with school and everything else, and it's just interesting how like I've always been the like, I just I just can I please just go do it. Like, I don't need to sit here. And and it's has hurt me in some ways because the learning process for me is just so different. Like sitting there unless somebody lecture me or talk to me about stuff, go read this book, go go online, read these articles. I'm like, I'm I'm falling asleep. Like, can I just go do it? Like, I'll do it, and maybe it won't work, but I'll do it and I'll keep and then I'll then I'll master it. Like, whatever is, I'll I'll just master it. And it's just it's I just find it interesting. And like, and to me, it's like that's my journey. Like, I go through it that way. Like I go through it, but like I have to do it.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

Yeah, I hear you. I think sculpture is the next thing I really am thinking about a lot.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

God save me, please. Liz, I'm gonna add that to my prayers.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

Well, how else am I gonna make the sculpture I dreamed of in the middle of the night?

SPEAKER_03 32:06

Sculpture's gonna have to go outside. Like there's no room in the house. I mean there is, but where are you gonna you can't sculpture in the house? You can sculpture in the in the studio.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

Maybe. I don't know. It depends on what I decide to create a sculpture out of. I haven't figured that out yet. I mean, I do have ideas.

SPEAKER_03 32:23

I'm sure I'm sure you'll get I'm sure you'll get there. I'm sure you'll get there. Yeah, no, I I feel you.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Yeah, it's uh Yeah, well, other people are out doing other things. We're doing our wacky figuring out our wacky businesses and writing books and illustrating.

SPEAKER_03 32:39

Yeah, there's there's a lot. But it's look, it's it's in a way, okay. So like when when people like go out, and and look, we've both gone out plenty, and it's not that we don't go out at all, and it's not like we don't like to go out at all. It's not that, it's like we're hermits or anything like that. But people go out like to connect with other people or to be with other people or to be around certain things. We create, or or you know, whether creating a business or create a product or the combination of those, that's how we connect. Like that's it's our it's a little different for us. So it's not that we're lacking in that way. It's like that's how that's how we do it. People, other people connect a different way. I I think it's it's so so different, but it's there's a similarity there. There's a core, there's a core similarity there, I think.

SPEAKER_02 33:31

I mean, I just think that I don't really go out that much because I would rather be getting to sleep early so that I can wake up early and do all the things I want to do. Like I just I don't have I'm just not interested in just hanging out, you know. Some all the time. I mean, sometimes I am, but in general I'm not.

SPEAKER_03 33:52

Yeah. I I I feel yeah. I was I was going another place with that, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

It's I I don't know where you're going, but you know what?

SPEAKER_03 34:02

Most of the time I don't know where I'm going, so don't don't feel alone. Yeah, okay. Well, no, but yeah, I hear you. I I do hear you. I look it's I I actually was just talking to somebody.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

I mean, I've gone out like a million times in my life. I was pretty much a party girl up until I had kids.

SPEAKER_03 34:20

Yeah, I was just talking to somebody yesterday, a director that I know, and we were saying the same thing about like how she used to go out, and we talked about places and some places that we both knew, and she's like, I just don't, I don't want to, I don't do it anymore. Like, I don't want to be, I think she has kids too. And she's like, I just I don't want to do it anymore. She's like, it's not that I don't like doing it, it's that I don't like that feeling the next morning after I had a few drinks or not got stuff to do. And I'm like, basically, that's kind of like the same way. Like, it's not that I don't like it, but if I could do it and I have had no side effects, I'd probably do it uh more. But if you guys the drinking part, it's just like that being out, people don't realize being out in a nightclub or in a lounge or whatever, with all the activity going around, you still need to decompress, like when you come home. Like it's not like you know, so anyway. Um yeah, that's that, as you would say, and that's that. That's that you say it better than I do, and you're prettier than I am. Anyway, so yeah, that was it was cool. I was really, I didn't know where that was gonna go. I I enjoyed that. I thought that was that was fun. So let's see what time is it again. Um, yeah. Um I don't make I don't rehearse these as you can clearly tell. I don't know what's gonna come out. I just I'm like, you gotta do something, and I do it, and it I look like an idiot for those of you who are watching the video. For those of you who aren't, trust me, I look like an idiot. But yeah, it's definitely rapid fire tummy.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

So uh you know, just let it let it all out, Jay.

SPEAKER_03 36:01

At this stage of the game, you know, there's no point, there's no point in doing something different. Um I've been I've been told many, many a time, well, if you only did this and if you only did that, you know, this would be a lot easier. And I'm like, yeah, I think the ship sailed on that one. Uh appreciate the appreciate the advice. I'll ask you first. You'll go, you'll you'll answer first, which means you're going first. Is that good?

SPEAKER_02 36:21

Yes, that sounds great.

SPEAKER_03 36:22

Okay. Um let me let me ask this first question and clarify the question before you answer, okay?

SPEAKER_02 36:27

Okay, because yeah, I'd like you to clarify all of these questions.

SPEAKER_03 36:31

I will, because sometimes it's a little confusing. So, best thing about a new season doesn't necessarily have to be this season, it's a new season, whatever that new season is. What's the best thing about a new season?

SPEAKER_02 36:44

Okay, well, thanks for reframing that because now I can that something comes to mind. Um, I think the best thing about going into a new season is just doing something different. You know, just changing it up. You know, like from winter to spring, it's like the changing of like the clothing. You know, I can wear like a lighter jacket and fashion is you know, just a different thing.

SPEAKER_03 37:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

I think that's the best thing.

SPEAKER_03 37:16

That's the best thing. Okay, cool. Thing you realize you didn't miss about a new season. So you get to a new season, you're like, what is it?

SPEAKER_02 37:25

The piss I said, please explain. This one is really oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:28

So so you know how like when you're in a season and like the you know the new season, like you're looking forward to the new season because you're so looking forward to it. And then the new season comes, you're like, I didn't miss that. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

Oh, okay. All right. Well, the first thing that comes to mind is when it gets warmer in New York City, the lovely smell, aroma of urine.

SPEAKER_03 37:54

That's the one. That's why I came up with this question. That's what I want. That was the answer I wanted. We walked out of the we walked out the door the other this week. It's a little bit warmer, it's gonna get a little cooler again. Everybody thinks, you know, it's winter's over, it's March. March is unpredictable. Don't put any of your clothes away yet. We walked out. I did first before you did when it was warm the other day, and that's the first thing I smelled. And then I was like, when we walked out together, I was like, oh, she's gonna say something for sure. She's gonna say something. And that smell of urine the second you walk out the door in New York City, is is it's not like oh my god, I'm gonna die smell, but it's just a certain aroma that you could definitely do without. Like, if you don't have to experience it, I I recommend it.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

But is there any place in the city that it doesn't have that smell in the summer? Like, does it smell plenty of places inside?

SPEAKER_03 38:49

Plenty of places. Plenty of places.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

I mean, I guess probably Central Park probably smells like horse poop.

SPEAKER_03 38:55

Yeah, there's there's plenty of places. It really depends on look. We have on our building along the along the front of the building, they have those little poop canisters, right? So there are dogs that are we get a lot of dogs walking on our block, and they walk out the building and they take a piss right there. So it's that it's because it's right there, it's so contained right there. So anyway, but thank you for that answer because I was uh that's the reason for the question, really.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

I'm a team player, yes, you are.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

Um, what is one thing you are looking forward to this spring, this particular spring, 2026?

SPEAKER_02 39:33

I am looking forward to going to art openings down in Tribeca and Chelsea, and how people kind of spill out and hang out in the streets, and on a warmer night, it's kind of like a block party.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

It's funny. Okay, cool.

unknown 39:53

Awesome.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

Okay, so Jay, best thing about a new season for you.

SPEAKER_03 39:59

The the change, just the fact that there's a change, the fact that you know, whatever it is a little different, like you know, in the summer when it's hot, and then you, you know, and then you get into fall and it's like a little bit cooler, and you you know, something different, or the time changes a little different, or things you can buy in the store that you know, whether it's a type of food or there's a flower or there just that the fact that there's a change breaking the routine a little bit. I really like that. I really like that a lot.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

The thing you realize you didn't miss about a new season.

SPEAKER_03 40:34

I I think it's kind of like a positive negative of the fact that things there's a change. I mean, there's not like a specific thing, but it's like you have to kind of think a little bit differently because there's a change. So on the one hand, that's really great and it's exciting. On the other hand, it's like, oh wait, that didn't happen, or wait, you know, like it's it's a simple little thing, but like certain things that I do at a certain time, I have a range of time that I like to do it. But then when it's darker, then I it shifts me. And then when it's lighter, it shifts me. So it's kind of like, ooh, but I was so good at it, I was getting so good at it, and now I have to adjust a little bit. So it's a little, it's kind of a little thing like that.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

Okay, all right. Okay, the last one. What is the one thing you are looking forward to the spring? And I know the answer.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

You do?

SPEAKER_02 41:20

I I think so.

SPEAKER_03 41:22

Do you really? I I don't think you do.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

Well, I get to kiss you outdoors more.

SPEAKER_02 41:29

Okay. Is that it? Is that the answer?

SPEAKER_03 41:33

I mean, it's a hell of an answer.

SPEAKER_02 41:35

It is a hell of an answer.

SPEAKER_03 41:37

It wasn't what I was originally thinking, but when you started looking all cute like that, I just kind of couldn't help myself.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

I thought you were gonna say Mr. Soft Softy.

SPEAKER_03 41:46

Oh, dude, a loss. Wow. Yeah. No, well, so okay. Time out. If it would have been looking forward to in spring or in summer, then that would have worked for me. But the speci the specificity was this spring. So that's that's why I was thinking differently.

SPEAKER_02 42:10

Okay. I still think you would be looking forward to Mr. Softie.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

I'm telling you, it's a it's the kissing is definitely first.

SPEAKER_02 42:19

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:20

But the softties coming in, closing in on you. But quite frankly, now you now you got me all excited about ice cream now because now we have Carvel in the neighborhood, which I know you don't care about, but come on now, it's Carvel.

SPEAKER_02 42:34

I think the Carvel ice cream cake for a birthday.

SPEAKER_03 42:37

Love it. We used to do that all the time. But but there's also the Gelottoville place that opened near us that we still haven't been to. That I really I mean, the just the fact that you named a place Gelottoville, I have to go and check it out. We didn't check it out, it's been there for a year. Well, almost a year. They opened right before winter, which was like bizarro, but we gotta go check it out. Like that we gotta go check out. Regardless, those weren't those weren't those weren't the things that I was thinking about. So just by the way, so we just have a bunch of things that we've been working on that I feel are very close. Not necessarily that we're gonna close a big deal or this big thing is gonna happen or blah, but I feel I feel that that things are turning in the right direction in many things. There's a lot of things that are still up in the air, a lot of things I'm not totally thrilled about, things I have to work on, and it's that's all good, it's fine. But I have this kind of feeling with all the craziness of the world, I feel like this spring is kind of it's like like a flower opening up. Like I feel that I feel that energy, I feel something there. So, you know, that's that's kind of what I'm you know, as far as what me personally, because I think, as I've always said, all the stuff that I'm working on. Which is I know it's me and everything, and people say, oh no, no. It's it's getting accomplishing the things that I'm working on is to help all the people that I everybody in my universe benefits from the success of those things. It's just it's just what it is. So having this feeling that I'm kind of getting closer and closer, to at least the movement, the process, that's that's I'm pretty excited about that.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

That's great. And you deserve it.

SPEAKER_03 44:28

Well, that's not about that, but thank you. I appreciate that. But I'm still gonna go for the kiss. Alrighty. Um well, thank you, darling. That was fun and lovely as always. Now I've okay, I'm gonna wrap this up quick because I'm gonna go get the kiss. Um anyway, thank you for this. Thank you for joining us. Thank you to our producer, who shall remain nameless as always. I appreciate everybody who tunes in. Thank you, and we will see you again next week. Bye.