Pickles & Pasta EP35 - Mindset, Momentum & Mental Loops

Pickles & Pasta EP35 - Momentum, Pauses & Staying the Course

In Episode 35 of Pickles and Pasta, Jay and Steph dig into the reality of momentum, how it starts, how it builds, and what happens when life suddenly interrupts it.

They talk about the energy that comes with stepping into a new year with fresh ideas, clear goals, and real movement, but also how outside events, delays, illness, and unexpected setbacks can throw even the best plans off course. Steph shares how she has been navigating that in real time across multiple creative projects, and why she has learned not to see every pause as a failure. Sometimes the slowdown is actually useful. Sometimes it gives you space to refine the idea, expand the vision, or see a better path forward.

Jay builds on that from the strategy side, exploring the difference between losing momentum and simply being redirected. Together, they reflect on persistence, preparation, and the belief required to keep going when things are not unfolding on your timeline. The conversation becomes a broader look at resilience, faith in your path, and the importance of knowing when a delay is not a dead end.

They close with a fun rapid fire on where they would go to eat if they could jump on a plane right now, where creative ideas show up, and what gives them clarity outside of work.

Topics Covered:

• Momentum and why it matters
• What to do when life interrupts your flow
• The difference between a pause and a setback
• Persistence, patience, and staying with the long game
• How outside events can affect creative and business momentum
• Why delays can sometimes improve the outcome
• Trusting your direction even when timing shifts
• Rapid fire: creativity, travel cravings, and clarity

Momentum is powerful, but knowing how to move through the pause is what keeps you in the game.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Hi, and welcome to this week's episode of Pickles and Pasta.

SPEAKER_02 0:29

With Steph and Jay.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Love to mix it up just to get that little extra laugh out of you every time. How are you doing, baby?

SPEAKER_02 0:37

I am good.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Good. It's a great day for a podcast.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

Okay. Yeah, let's do it. Interesting, interesting day with an interesting topic that we kind of were talking about over the past couple of days and kind of thinking through, which we always do. Like, okay, what are we feeling? How is that relate? You know, we always try to do things that we think will be important to people. And momentum seems to be something that's come up quite a bit. Obviously, we all know what it is and deal with it, but I think it's a very interesting topic, in so much that we all know having momentum is great. It's a good thing to have. Like whatever you want to do. If you want to go to the gym, if you want to, you know, work on your diet, if you're trying to get a job, if you're trying to get a car, whatever. Momentum is important. We all get that. We all know that. And I think everybody has their own technique or their own, you know, tools or experiences, things they do to kind of create momentum. And that's fine. And there's no right way or wrong way, I don't think, right? I mean, it's like whatever works for one person doesn't work for the other person. But no matter what you do, no matter how hard you work at it, no matter how much you concentrate, no matter how many times you've done it, somehow, somehow, something comes up. Something. Always, no matter what. Like you're you're gonna make the train and you get the momentum you're going, and okay, I'm gonna make this light, and somebody walks right in front of you, and now you miss the light. And that's a simple little easy example that we all run into. But you pull that back and take it into a business setting or real life setting that you're working on, and the throwing you off stuff can be a little complicated. I kind of just wanted to kind of talk through that with you a little bit and kind of get your sense of how that affects you. How do you deal with that? How do you how do you work on building momentum? And what do you do when it kind of tells the world tells you not right now, kiddo?

SPEAKER_02 2:43

Yeah, no, I think it's a great topic, and I think it's really timely, you know, um personal experience for me, you know, leading into 2026, closing out 2025. There's been a lot of changes that I've been undergoing with have some fun today, with my art, and other projects that have were just kind of ideas in 2025 that I was excited to begin the new year uh really digging into. And you know, I think when I I'm the kind of person that at the beginning of a new year, I do feel it's a refresher for me for me. It's always been, you know, I've always found the new year to be a refreshing time. And even in the fall, I've always kind of you know have that, you know, beginning of school kind of kind of thing. And you know, I think you get going with something, at least I do.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

I'm a big self-starter, and I'm really Yeah, you don't really need anybody to start you. Like you kind of like I find that interesting about you. Like a lot of people have they something has to happen and then they start. And you are you don't you don't it's not it doesn't affect you. You're like, you know, I'm gonna start and you start.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Yeah, and I've I've always been like that, but these times of year are are crucial for that for me. Right, right. So there's something about that, those two times of the year that I feel this extra energy or extra permission. Not sure what it is exactly. But so I got going in 2026 with some really concrete ideas and plans that um I set into motion. And you know, as we got going, I think February was a little derailing globally with some of the things that are going on, and that trickles into small businesses, big businesses, individuals. Um it's not exactly a time that people are going out and spending thousands of dollars on art, you know. So what happens when you start out with a good amount of momentum and energy, and then things sort of sort of derail a little bit based on outside events that have nothing to do with you but affect you, and so you know, that's a real thing. And for a lot of people, that derailing can be enough to really set you back to the beginning for some people, and I think the trick is to be able to be persistent through those moments of getting derailed, and maybe it's a month of one thing after another, but I think people have to find a way to kind of navigate through the things that are derailing, and maybe it's it's um an opportunity, and I think that's kind of how I usually look at it that maybe this is just a a place for me to pause and really see how I'm going about this, and maybe it's an opportunity to tweak a few things and then carry on.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Yeah, I mean, uh look, I've seen like just observing or being part of your journey, um, you know, seeing how things are going, you're moving, things are coming together, this fits here, this fits there, then all of a sudden something comes. And you know, you obviously don't want to, you're not gonna give up, obviously. And but you do have to kind of take that pause sometimes to be like, okay, well, hold on. Okay, I see this. And then maybe after a while, after it happens more than once, you start to kind of pick up on those senses, you start to see like the momentum is changing a little bit. I mean, look, you could take it physics, right? Like if you roll something down a hill and then all of a sudden there's a little bump in the hill or whatever, it stops. Like, do you like fall over, or you could wait and let, you know, maybe a wind comes or something like that. And it's interesting how everybody kind of addresses that differently, because a lot of people, I think you're right, a lot of people just give up. Like they've got the momentum and they're going, and then everything is great, and then something happens, they're like, eh, it wasn't meant for me anyway, or you know, whatever. And I think sometimes that's good because the path they were on wasn't the right path for them. I think that's okay. Like sometimes, but I don't think that's I think that's maybe a little bit different because that's something kind of like just discovering that you were on the wrong path. Having momentum on something, like, you know, with your I can use you for example, we can talk about me later on that. But but you know, the stuff that you're working on, like we've spent a lot of time figuring things out. Like before, you know, we got to 2006. I know you like to look at the years, and that's fine. But before we started with these things that are happening now, that started you know, months ago now, a lot of work and thought and strategy went into it, and there were decisions that were made that you were gonna work on X number of things, whatever they are, right? And so we already ready to kind of go and get to the starting point, like, okay, now we're going. And then so then as we did that, we already had something going, which is the beginning of momentum, like pre-momentum, I guess. And then we're like, okay, we're going, and then the momentum started. Point I'm making or trying to make is that the goal is still correct, in our opinion. Like, we we firmly believe in these things, we firmly believe they're what are meant to happen or what you're meant to be focusing on, but something comes up that you thought maybe this should have been, you know, let's say it's let's say the goal is to get from one to ten for argument's sake, and the momentum got started, we got to three, and something happened. Something we had to have for that to work, the part wasn't available for argument's sake, or the the pink color was just we couldn't get it, or whatever it is, doesn't mean that idea is done. So that's where I think when something affects the momentum, you have to be like, okay, do I pause now? Do I fight through it? You know, those sort of things. I think that's that's the tricky part. I think that's the tricky part when it's you know, when it's your own business or you're a sole proprietor, entrepreneur, or whatever you want to call it, it affects everything. It's your whole life. It's not just a job situation, right? Like if you're working on something and you're putting parts together or you're working in a dress factory and you're making dresses and the buttons don't come in, it's not the end of the world for you that the buttons aren't there. You just wait till the buttons come in and you sew them. But if it's your address company and those dresses have to go out the door because that's how you can you have a customer waiting for them and that's how you can pay your bills, it's you know, you have to figure out how you adjust that. And I think that's a very different thing. And I think I don't know, I mean, I think that's you've you had to deal with a lot of that.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Yeah, I mean, I think that when you're in the middle of building something, the momentum, let's use that as you know, the word we're using, and something happens as you're working on, you know, whatever it is you're working on. So you take a pause and you take a real look at the whole situation. And I think that those pauses are very necessary and they're very helpful because I think the world throws at you scenarios and situations to help you have you know the structure really laid out in a way that can withstand certain conditions. And so until you hit those conditions, sometimes you're not prepared for that longevity or the ability to have longevity.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

So you think things that come in help strengthen you?

SPEAKER_02 11:18

Yeah, I do. And I think, you know, I mean, you know, for me, I don't go into a new entity without having a lot of discussion and planning before I really begin something. So these aren't things that I'm just like, oh, I'm just gonna start this company, or oh, I'm just gonna, you know, make this product at this point in my life, based on the experience that I've had, I have learned that there has to be a lot of thought and planning put in that it really feels like a viable, correct move to make. And so when you do hit those slags in the momentum, you aren't just giving up. You aren't really taking another look at it and saying, okay, so this happened, so how do we maneuver this? Or maybe we minimize this a little bit and we slightly pivot this to move around this type of situation. And I I just think that a lot of times these pauses, these situations that come in and happen out of our control are helpful.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

But how do you get the momentum back? Like, right, if the like, you know, you know what I mean? Like if you're running, like take running as an example, right? Let's say you're a runner and you run in the street, okay, which whatever, you're not, it's not healthy for your back, but I'm not going to get into that right now. I'm not going to be Dr. Schwab today. So you're running and then you hit a red light, and you see runners do it, like they keep running in place at the red light. So it's kind of like that, right? Like, how do you get back into that place? And do you try to, you know, do you try to catch up? Because you know, you missed a week or a month or a day, or do you know, like, you know, sill silly things like you know, you're supposed to do something outside, you have a shoot you're gonna do, you're ready to go, you're doing this, you're ready to go, and then it rains. So you can't do that. So you sit still, like, how do you get back up to that pace that you were at before the the curveball came in?

SPEAKER_02 13:22

Well, using myself as an example, I would share that I have been working on a new art project that I'm basically putting out a one-page to interior designers, like literally this week. My idea was to put this out a month ago. But as life would have it, things have happened and I had to pause. Did I completely lose my momentum? No, I mean, it affected my momentum because now this project that I've been working on and thought I was gonna be pushing out to the public sooner has now just been sitting. You know, that can feel like a drag. That can feel like, oh, is this not gonna happen? I mean, you could second guess yourself in so many ways, but because my work is creative and artistic, and I really have to have a level of trust in myself that these pauses are opportunities for me to sit with it a little bit longer and maybe allow more information to come to me that can help me take it to a new level and get the momentum going again, which is actually what happened. In that pause, I was able to see that this entity that I'm creating not only can be for interior designers and for staging companies, but it can also be on an advisory um site and be for retail. And I may not have come to that had it all gone out sooner. So now it is expanding because instead of panicking and thinking that, oh, maybe this isn't gonna happen, I was able to ride that wave and allow myself as a creative thinker to see a broader picture.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

So it sounds like a lot of that has to do with experience that you've you've been in these situations before and you know you have confidence in the overall idea. You basically did all your preparation and then you started, and then as you started the momentum, like you did all the in in let's say my world, it would be pre-production, right? You've done all that stuff, and then once you start, you're starting into production. Like now you're shooting your film or your video or your commercial. Now you've started. So that's the beginning of your momentum. You can't stop because you have to get this film done, but something happens, so you so you're you know you're gonna get it done. So you know this project, the specific project, you're definitely gonna get it done. But when this little thing happened or this little change happened, there's a little bit of delay, you know you're gonna get through it, so you use that time differently. So you don't use it to push and run, run, run. I think that's the interesting part here that I think it's important for people to hopefully can understand and learn from. I think that's what mistakes a lot of people make. They're like, well, I'm running down the hill anyway. Like, yeah, but if you keep running down the hill, you're gonna crash. Like, there's a reason that you stopped at this place. Like whether you ran out of energy, you needed a break, you needed to re you know, something like that happened. I mean, it sounds to me like that's kind of a bit of the way you approach these things.

SPEAKER_02 17:07

I kind of came across the idea that there is power in the pause. And I know since you live with me, sometimes you don't you probably are laughing a little bit inside your head because I'm laughing and smiling all the time. You know, as an artist, you know, I'm always kind of expressing myself, and I'm sure you heard me complaining that I had to pause this. No, but I I do have a level of when things don't happen right away, I do have this level of belief and faith that delays sometimes are for your benefit. I I have this like knowing of that subconsciously in the back of my head. So I don't immediately go to oh, this is gonna be a failed thing or I shouldn't have spent time doing that. I don't go there. I do believe that sometimes the delay is beneficial. So I do think that comes from experience.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

And having experienced these types of things over and over again, you know, for the past 25, 30 years, you do understand that just wait it out a little bit, you know, just keep on keep on fine-tuning it, keep on taking a look at it and letting it sit there and and look at it. Look at it, you know, look at it from all angles and be open, be open to what else it can be, or be open to how else you could interpret it. So there's something with the pause, and I find that to be what helps me kind of get back into the momentum of something.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

Got it, yeah. So you don't ever see it as, well, if I would have been more this or if I would have been more that, this pause wouldn't have happened. Like you don't look at it that way. You don't see it as a negative.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

I don't I don't see that as helpful at all. I see everything that I'm working on um as part of my growth and my learning.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

And that's I mean, that's a spiritual way to look at it, right? Like, I mean, I think we we both have that kind of approach in many ways. I mean, as frustrating as things are when they don't go what we want them to, this was supposed to get done by Friday, it's not done. What am I gonna do now? Like, I gotta get this thing, I made that promise. Now you get, you know, you can get yourself into a tizzy about that stuff very, very easily. Um, and even when those things happen and you kind of say, okay, calm down, you still have to now restart the engine, right? Because like the momentum is, you know, you start the engine, it starts rolling, it's rolling down, it's moving, it's going across, I mean, it's fine. And then like you have to kind of step on the brakes. And it's a question of how do you, and this is, I think, the tricky part. How do you step on the brakes enough so that you don't crash, but not so much so that the engine shuts down and you have to restart the engine from zero. Like, I think that's that's really that's kind of like the runner, you know, running in place at the traffic light. I think that's the tricky part. I think it's it's a it's and I think part of it is experience. Part of it is really belief in in yourself and in your team or whatever that is, you, your team, the idea, the project, the concept, whatever. I think all those things really, really come into play. And I think if you if you're able to work on those things as a person, as a company, as a whatever, as a team, to have those skills, if those are tight, then I think the momentum shifts and the curveballs like that. I think that they're a lot easier to handle, they're a lot easier to achieve all the goals you're going for. Probably even better than you thought they would. If you don't have that sort of stuff, you see it. We see it all the time. People start something, they get all excited, something happens, and then they crumble.

unknown 21:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

They're splitting all around with their ideas and and the things where they want to put their energy, and then they kind of like kind of burn out, really. You know, so I think when you can have a good amount of momentum towards well-thought out and articulated projects, and this is also where mindset comes into play, which we spoke about last week. You know, I think having a very having a mindset that first of all leads with a belief in your your talents and your ideas and your your capability. Um that is how you can ride the wave of momentum versus when you know outside events come in and try and slow the progress down. You know, just last week I got hit with a stomach virus and I was in the midst of Oh I wasn't I wasn't gonna share that. Well I you know but it it it does it it helps illustrate the point to at least to myself because I was down and out.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

I I will test I'll testify I will testify to that, yes, to you were four days and it was like unplanned, you know. I was just definitely unplanned. You had plans. I mean you had multiple plans.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

I had really great plans, but and I couldn't do anything. Like I could not sleep, I couldn't eat, I couldn't do anything. It was a I was a mess. But coming out of the street.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

And here you are, fabulous as ever. Momentum. Off we go.

SPEAKER_02 22:54

But I think I think there was something to that downtime. Because literally, last, I think it was last night, as I was going to sleep, after finally having a good day yesterday, which I did a ton of work, a ton of writing, and a ton of like work on all the projects that I'm doing. Because while I was not feeling well, I wasn't, I was mentally down too. I'm just gonna say it. When you are physically sick, it brings you down mentally. So I was feeling down. And I'm I'm not ashamed to say that, you know, there are times when if you're physically not feeling well, it can really bring your your mental state into a darker place. So like all the projects I was working on, I was like second guessing myself in that time frame. But as I was starting to feel better yesterday, I in the as I was falling asleep, I had idea after idea after idea. I kept on getting out of bed and right I had to get out of bed and like write these notes down because they were so sharp. They were fine-tuning all the things that I'm working on. And so here I am again, like it's Monday, and I am so excited about every single project that I have that is launching, that has launched, that I'm gonna be working on, and and so that pause, that unplanned pause, as unpleasant as it was, has turned out to be a a blessing. And I lost five pounds.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

I'm joking, I don't think you lose five pounds. I don't think you lost five pounds. You look fantastic, so that's forgot. I told you that last night, I tell you that every day, but it's no, look, I get it, and I and I will I mean a little bit sidebar to that too. Like, I mean, yes, I I do agree, and I think people don't always realize that. Like when you get physically ill, whatever it is, whether it's you know, a flu or a bug or an injury, you know, or anything like that, it does affect you mentally. There's no way to disconnect that, you know, even though it's absolutely impossible to re re feel actual pain, like it's just something that cannot be recreated, which is an incredibly interesting thing that the brain has the power of. You can remember being in an incredible amount of pain, but if you're like, remember that time when your arm was whatever, god forbid someone had a broken arm. Like, remember that feeling you cannot cannot reduplicate that feeling. It's not technically possible, um, which I just think is that is interesting. It's incredible. But you know, they're they're they've learned a lot about that over the years, right? Like with athletes that have injuries, like they they find therapists, like they like they talk to mental health coaches, you know, strength coach, mental strength coaching and stuff like that. Because it's very easy to be like, I'm not ever gonna be able to do that again, I'm never ever gonna be able to run that fast again, I'm not ever gonna be able to jump that high again. Like, it's all right. And in a business, you're like, what was I doing? Like, does this really make sense? Is this for you know, because you're you're not right, like it's just you things aren't firing in the right way. So it's a it's a very interesting thing. And I I know when everybody says, you know, go back slower, don't go back. It's it's a tricky thing when you like when you're full of this momentum and full of this energy that you want to get that momentum back. It's tricky to go step by step because you're like, but it's been pent up right inside of you while you're not well. So it's um yeah, it's interesting. And you know, it's and it's I think it's I don't think there's a right or wrong, right? I think everybody has to find their right or wrong. Like sometimes things happen, your momentum gets thrown off. Maybe that's the sign to be like, okay, that thing I was working on was not right for me because I didn't have that. Like listening to what you're saying, you know, I feel similar in many ways, and many people we know are like that. When you're so sure of something, nobody's gonna knock you down. So you they may slow you down, they may tell you this isn't the door you go through, you gotta go through that door, but you're not just gonna be like, I'm I'm done. You know, I mean, I have friends, you know, a dear friend that the project he's been working on, he's been building for years, you know, seven to ten years, he's on this thing. Like, if he didn't tell you he's been working on this for seven to ten years, you'd be like, my God, he's so full of energy. It's like he just started this last month, you know. So he's always known, even though he's had his rough days and we've had conversations where I know he's like stressing and what am I gonna do and I can't pay my bills, blah, blah. But the reality is, like, he was so sure of it. And I think that's where when his momentum gets a little sidetracked, it's not a problem. I mean, it's not fun, but he's able to kind of get back and go. And I think you're you're the same way with that. I think it's it's a it's an interesting, and I think it does come to that of like before you you know run through the gate and start the race, do the training, do the thinking, you know, and then that momentum, when those things come, I think then you're able to adjust to them a lot easier.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

I mean, you certainly have been a good example of how you navigate momentum in something that's really important to you. Maybe you want to talk a little bit about village, and because right now you're in a spot where it's really coming together, and maybe you want to talk to that a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Well, I mean, yeah, I mean sure. I mean, thank you. But I mean, look, I think when you know something in your heart of hearts, like you just know it. Like people can, you know, people can tell you you're wrong, you're crazy, it makes no sense, it's not gonna work, blah, blah, blah, whatever. You know, there's a lot of things I've uh not just me, I mean, a lot of things I'm fine, if you want to talk to me for a second, like it's a lot of the ideas I've had in my existence, like thousands, millions of ideas probably, without even exaggerating. And you know, I think about it, this, and then if I'm able to talk myself out of it, I'm then it's obviously there's nothing there, like, and I know that. And if the first time I tell someone and they tell me it's garbage, and I'm like, yeah, maybe you're right, then there's nothing there. But and and yes, I process and I and I I do I'm a processor and I do think about things and I analyze and I overanalyze and I overanalyze, I do a lot of that stuff. But you know, when you really know something in your heart of hearts, I don't think you can teach that. Like, and it's not that I'm saying it that me personally is so special, like I think in general, you can't teach that to someone. Someone just knows in their heart of hearts. Now, again, sometimes you're wrong. Like sometimes you you push and push and push and push, and you just were wrong. But, you know, for me, it's it's very, it's I've said this before, it's very, very interesting. Like with talking about Billage for a second. I've had people that have gone toe-to-toe with me about like trying to break down the idea, like from early on to now. And I've said from the beginning, from the first time I was like, okay, I think I got it, the idea hasn't changed. It just hasn't. It's gotten a little of this and a little, okay. We fixed this piece, and we explained this, it's fine. But if you go back to the core, core, core, core, like, okay, what is it that you want to do? What is this gonna be? It's the same. And so people have gone toe-to-toe with me, like, really, like, I don't mean this in a bad way, but like knock down drag out, like trying to break everything about it down. And they can't. Like, they'll put a find a hole here and follow. And many people, friends of mine, that have been like three years later, five years later, two years later, be like, you know, that thing you told me before, you were trying to convince me and I wouldn't bend. Yeah, you were right. And I'm not saying that I'm so smart, it's not that I'm right. It's not about me being right. I don't care about being right. I don't at all. But I just I just knew it. Now, maybe I didn't have the skill to explain it. That's that's on me. Maybe I didn't write it down properly, maybe the diagram wasn't right, maybe that did no problem. And all of that has gotten it to a place with some incredible people that over the years, I have some people I thought were great, they weren't so great. Then someone else says, okay, this person's great, I gotta figure out a way to keep them around as long as I can. We've put together some amazing, amazing people that have been incredibly, incredibly helpful, some of which desire to remain nameless. But regardless, that's how it comes. Now, yes, they've pushed me too, and I've pushed back, and sometimes we bend to some degree, but that again comes from me just knowing and knowing and knowing. So when the something comes to try to knock me off momentum, it's like it may suck, but it's like, okay, like I don't need I don't need a a year to kind of retool and refigure and you know, no, I'm ready to go. Ready now? Okay, good, let's go. It's any time.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

So and you know, the concept of village, maybe you want to just briefly say what it is for people who don't know, because we're talking about village and you're talking, you're talking about village.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

This isn't the this isn't the place. This is because I know, but I just think it should be we're developing a platform for the entertainment for the entertainment industry that's gonna change the world. Uh that's all I'm gonna say right now. But look, we're we are we are really going to have a global impact through storytelling in a way that has not ever been done, and we're gonna we're coming at it from a core from a really good place. There's nothing about it that's negative, it's all about helping people um at all levels, from people that are that are early on in their careers to people that have been doing this for 50 or 60 years. There's nothing negative, it's trying to help people and do good things. And um, this is the pickles and pasta show, not the village show.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

So yeah, but it relates to this topic because what I what I'm what I want to say is, and I just wanted people to understand a little bit what we're talking about. Um the idea that you have is so big that maybe it was meant for it to take as long as it's taking, because you had to the pause of this time is to really sort out all of the intricacies because it's so big. Don't you think that's true in a sense?

SPEAKER_01 33:32

Um to a certain extent, maybe. Um, as I'm listening to you say it, and I'm um I'll get a little biblical for a second. The path from Egypt to Canaan or Israel was there's a clear path to get there. The Israelites could have gotten there in a month. It took 40 years because God put them in circles around and around and around and around and around to make sure, to really make sure they're ready for this and they're really willing to do all it takes. And maybe that's part of the journey. I'm not saying that God's doing that to me, but I'm saying perhaps that was part of it. Perhaps I had to go through every punch, every everybody knocking me down, everybody telling me it's crazy, it's too big, it's too this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, perhaps that's part of it, right? You know, but it's like I've you've heard me say it a million times, again, not exaggerating because I don't really exaggerate. 15-year overnight success. Like, you know, it's just the way it is. Justin Bieber was playing guitar at three. He didn't just get discovered when he got discovered, you know. So Michael Jackson, I mean, it's endless. It's endless, endless, endless. So, you know, again, I had momentum from day one. Second, I mean, I I worked on it and I thought about it, and I made notes and I this and I talked to somebody, asked a stupid question, I got another answer, I had this and that, blah, blah, blah. But when I was like, okay, I think I got it, like I got it, like that's that that was when the momentum started. That was when I was like, okay, it's it's go. And then, you know, here we are.

SPEAKER_02 35:05

So it's just interesting to know how you've navigated momentum with your biggest thing that you've undertaken in your life. And, you know, for me, being all the creative entities I have, that's that's where I put my momentum. And I just see it as growing and growing and evolving. And because I know in my heart and my soul that that's where I'm meant to go with things, the pause, I can I can work through those pauses. I can work through those things that life throws at you that you weren't expecting. And um, it's not always easy, but I think having that faith and having good people around you, it you can navigate through it, and then you get back on and you build more momentum, and that's how it works.

unknown 35:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

Folks makes sense. Yeah, good. Thanks for sharing that. I think it was uh I think that was yeah, it's very interesting. I think it's very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

I mean, uh we all have our own different ways, but I think uh I think kind of to sum it up, it's like if you're really sure and you've done you've done the prep, you know, when when the world tries to you know mess with your momentum, you know, you're able to kind of kind of deal through it because you you know you know you're on the right track. So well, I think it's time. I love I say it and your eyes just light up like you know, like you're excited. You don't you don't know what's coming, how I'm gonna do it, whatever, but like um maybe one day I'll just do it very like, okay, wait, it's rapid fire time, yay. Like, no, that's not it. Rapid fire time today. Yeah. Um, okay, I think it's rapid fire time.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

All right.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

Do you want to go first?

SPEAKER_00 36:51

Sure.

unknown 36:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Okay. Okay, ready? Ready. Yes. Do you get more creative ideas when you're slammed or when you're slow?

SPEAKER_02 37:01

I think I get more creative ideas in that in-between time.

SPEAKER_01 37:09

Okay. Not a multiple choice, but okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01 37:13

All right, no problem. No problem. Um, okay. This is a little bit long, but if safety jet lag money were not an issue, name three places you'd like to go right now for a bite.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

Mexico City, Morocco, Pali.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

Okay, fair enough.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

Um there's a lot more I could add, but that's why I said three.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

That's why I said three. Um what's one thing outside of work that gives you clarity?

SPEAKER_02 37:50

Seeing inspiring art.

SPEAKER_01 37:55

That's not outside of work.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

Yeah, it is outside of work because it's me seeing other people's art.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

It doesn't matter what you do. It's not your own art. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

Yeah. Because it just it takes me to a a place of like Jay. Do you get more creative ideas when you're slammed or slow?

SPEAKER_01 38:20

Slammed.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

If safety, jet lag, money were not an issue, what three places would you like to go for a bite?

SPEAKER_01 38:31

Um Israel, Paris is a big one because I really pray that it does get safe at some point, but um they were cool.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

What is one thing outside work that helps give you clarity?

SPEAKER_01 38:46

Aside from our love.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

Oh, okay. Uh well that's a that's that's one thing. My connection with the universe, with God, and spirituality of all of that.

SPEAKER_02 39:01

Yeah. Cool. Well, I think it was a great show.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

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