Burnout, Grief, and Creative Affluence: Navigating Change | with Annelies Gentile

Returning guest Annelies M. Gentile, MA, PCC joins Michele for a powerful follow-up conversation about leadership, burnout, grief, and cultivating calm in a world that feels anything but calm.

In her previous appearance, Annelies introduced us to the idea that change is not just external. It is internal. She spoke about resilience, awareness, and tending the emotional landscape of uncertainty.

In this episode, we go deeper.

This conversation explores:

• The hidden grief that accompanies change
• Burnout as a signal, not a failure
• Managing energy instead of managing time
• Creative affluence and nurturing ideas
• Leading from awareness rather than reaction
• The role of mindfulness and creative process in leadership
• Cultivating courage and grace in uncertain seasons
• Why internal leadership shapes external outcomes

Annelies reminds us that resilience is not about pushing through. It is about sense, solace, and sanity in rapidly changing times.

If you are navigating professional transition, personal loss, organizational change, or simply feeling stretched thin, this episode offers grounded wisdom and practical reflection.

Because thriving begins on the inside.

Connect with Annelies

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Transcript

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(Music Playing) Hello. This is Michele Weston with Beyond My Diagnosis, where we talk with experts and the audience who are out there in biomedicine and also integrated medicine, which is the most important thing for me to share with you. Our people that really make a difference in helping us, who are working with and living with a chronic condition, to live the best life that we can have. And one of my favorite people is Annalise. Annalise Gentile. Gentile Gentile. Gentile. Gentile, see? I always like to ask, because it's such a pretty name, that you like to get it right. It's Italian for Gentile. Is that what it is? Oh, it is? Annalise Gentile. Annalise is Dutch and Gentile is Italians. Well, she's down in the south of the Carolinas. And this is a woman who actually went to the same-- well, the first version of the birthplace of the Maryland University of Integrative Health, where I went to get my master's in health and wellness coaching. But she went to Tysophia, which is just the place where they felt in Maryland, it was time to give this a birth and then grow it to give people a master's. And we sort of connected through the university. But we've had the opportunity to speak a little bit. And I always like to speak to her at least once a year. At least. I like it more than one. I say that, you guys. It's wonderful to connect with you, Michele. But I love to say that because there's people in your lives, as you're listening, that you know are out there who-- hold on. I don't trust you. Dan, you'll have to edit that for a second. I'm sorry, sweetheart. There's people that you meet that you have almost an electric connection. You wonder if your souls have met someplace else, if your hearts come in a place. And I will tell you, some people-- coaches have coaches, guys. Not just-- Absolutely. Right? So at some point, I will work with Annalise because we had such a lovely connection the first time we spoke. And-- And it's wonderful. And every time we work with someone, we learn a little more, which is really important. When you're sitting with something that changes the face of how your life is, and you have to reroute it or decide that you need to send it in a little different direction, you want someone who can hear you. And that's why I decided to do this podcast, because I wanted everyone to be heard. And maybe we'll connect with you someplace in some pearl of wisdom. And Annalise and I talked about talking today about loving yourself. Right? And it's so important to love you first, to just say, I'm important enough that I will take the time to do things for me and to ground myself. In fact, I said to Annalise before we started, my husband was sick for a bit. And I hadn't gotten to my Pilates classes, which for me are centered and grounding for my physical activity. And thank goodness, Nadia, who runs the Pilates here in New York City near me, said to me, no, no, no. Don't do that again. Make sure, especially in those moments, that you can take care of you. Right? It's so important. Right? And that means physically, emotionally, psychologically, all those pieces, especially as you're putting together how you move forward. Right? Absolutely. Absolutely. It's such an important topic, especially here before Valentine's Day. I know. So loving yourself is part of the equation of Valentine, giving yourself a Valentine. The month of February is an important month because we look at things differently. It's also Black History Month. Loving yourself through all of that. If you are African-American, if you're Black here, here in New York, there's lots of wonderful celebrations that go on, and you meet some amazing people that inspire you. So I'm inspired by Anneliese, and I wanted to talk about loving yourself. Anneliese, where should we start? Well, let's start where we are. Because wherever we are, here we are. I want to thank you again for inviting me. I think this is the third post podcast that we've had together. I think so. I think so. I love that we have this thread that goes back from Tice Ofia, the Institute in Maryland, which is one of the first acupuncture schools in the United States. I love that you and I are able to hold that identity true. I've studied transformative leadership there. My husband studied transformative leadership there. And then it became the Maryland University of Integrative Health, which I have my master's degree and my baccalaureate certificate in integrative health and wellness coaching. And now it's called the Note For Dom Maryland University School of Integrative Medicine. So it's evolving again. So we have this thread, and we have so many brothers and sisters that are graduates from this lineage of integrative medicine. All right, so I'll start where you started around self-love from my book, From Chaos to Calm, Leading Change from the Inside Out. You guys, you can get it on Amazon. You can get it through Barnes & Noble. I just Google it in. But From Chaos to Calm is just even the title, From Chaos to Calm, Leading Change from Inside Out. And it's interesting that you asked about self-love, because I do have a chapter. It starts on page 209 around self-love, self-care. And I'd like to share this quote. This is a quote that I saw. I think-- you know this because of all of our conversations. Before I became a coach, I was a hair wig and makeup designer for theatrical production, this film and print. I used to tour Broadway company shows. I used to live in New York and work on Broadway as well. And when I was on tour, Miss Sunset Boulevard was in Petula Clark. And I was in Portland. And there was a coffee shop, and it had one of those sandwich signs outside the coffee shop. And it said, "An empty lantern provides no light." Wow."An empty lantern provides no light." That's the quote that I have in here. And I took a photograph of that. I still have the paper photo from that time. I love that. And the message of this goes back to the vessel. We can't work from an empty vessel. And self-care is traditionally informed when we have a trigger event that forces us to repair, to go back and fix. So if we have fullness of energy and then that gets depleted by a trigger event, an illness, a situation, repetitive stress, then we have to repair. Sometimes a trigger event can bring us to a kind of breakdown or burnout, which brings us to zero or below zero. And then we really have to repair. That takes a whole lot of time. There's a whole science behind this that actually connects with acupuncture and our energy levels, three specific meridian energy levels. There's the energy that we come into the world with, that we're born with, that as you age over time, you lose that energy. There's the energy that we can build up over time by taking care of ourselves to improve our strengths that we can lose but then repair. And then there's the energy that we lose on an everyday basis that we can repair. But the main thing about self-love is self-love is a mindset that you are worthy of caring for yourself so that you can give energy back. Self-care is the practice of loving yourself. And that can be so different for each person. So in my book, I have the "Chaos to Calm Stress Scale," which is a scaffolding that you can build in particular techniques to support yourself as you're moving through arcs of change or chronic pain. And for those who live with a life of diagnosis and with a chronic pain, it's imperative to be able to listen to what's needed. You absolutely know that. And you know that some days look like this, some days look like that. And that this formula that you can build has to move with what the body requires. For those who don't live with these states, it may not be as noticeable that adjustment because it may not be as extreme. But it's still imperative to be able to understand what are the ways that you self-love. And again, this could be different per day, per season, per month, per situation. I have particular outlets, and we were talking about that before. I'm an artist, so I'll paint. I love poetry, so I'll journal in poetic prose. I love to take pictures, to be in nature, to hang in my hammock. These are acts of self-care that remind me that I love myself. Today, when I was getting dressed, this is a perfect example. I wore my sparkly earrings. I love it. It's so self-love. I have-- or if you can see it, I have a sparkly purple. Oh, I love it. I love the violet purple. It's all sequins. And it's a texture thing. So I have these little tiny things that can remind me. I'm caring for me. Let's share. What are some of your techniques of self-love? Well, self-love being the mindset, self-care being the action to be able to support the mindset of self-love. Self-love is also, for me-- we were just talking about earlier, I had-- we all have so much on our plates. So sometimes I double book myself, and then I realize, oh my goodness. The one thing that I really find gives me grounding, gives me that centering, that balance, and in a sense of physical activity, core strength is pilates. And I schedule myself almost right after our podcast interview. And I said, I have to move this. I don't want to rush into it. I want to be able to drop into pilates and have that 50 minutes for myself in the class so that I can be centered and balanced genuinely. When you have that, it gives you the opportunity to really drop into yourself and know that you're going through from your core, from the place that you live, not just your heart, but also-- I always say like a tree trunk, you have to be connected to the Earth. And when I go to a pilates class, I feel that connection. And I think that that's an important part for me of connection. Absolutely. And I talk about that in my book, this connection to nature can remind you and mirror back your own nature, your own trunk, your foundation. This season, which-- this is winter. This is February. In the past, swimming would have been a summer practice of self-love, self-care. But I'm currently a member of a gym that has recently opened up a heated outdoor swimming pool. Oh my gosh. Fabulous. I love this so much. So I get the season of summer in the winter, which-- my mouth is rolling. There's a whole layer of self-care around this. And I realize not everybody can do what I'm about to share in their calendar. But I think that there are ways that you, as the listener, might be able to do what I'm about to share in a shape that fits for you. Yes. It has to be your way. I take Tuesdays as a non-scheduling day. Love it. So what I mean by that is I'll do my hot yoga. Or my swimming. As the one thing that is a non-negotiable, at least once a week. Does it mean that I won't go again at other days that I can fit things in? No, I'll stick it in where I can. But that is a specific anchor. That means I won't have lunch appointments. I won't do consults. I won't take coaching clients. They won't go to networking events. I won't even open my computer if I can. I'll try to make this an unplugged day. I'll be more personal. I might do some personal care things. I might take care of other things that need tending, trimming, and that type of thing. It's imperative because I work in a field of caring for others. I'm experiencing a lot of people's pain in their stories that can translate into my own physical body pain and emotional pain if I don't ex form it out. Ex form meaning release off of my body system. I like that. So movement, dance, swimming. I'm a mushroom forager. So if the weather is appropriate, and I know that things might be popping, I'll go on a long forage for the day. I'll take a snack. I'll hang in the hammock. I might do some writing. And in this time, some people take a retreat a year because it feels doable. This is a weekly retreat. That is, it's imperative for me in order to function well for my clients. Now, the only condition where that might change is if I'm hired to do a speaking event and not the day that the thing is. And then I will try to move it to another day. It's different than a weekend because a weekend, I might have family events. I might host dinner. I might-- I think Sunday is when we watch sheets, mop the house. Self-love is also caring for physical environments. Cooking a nice meal, making sure that the birds are cared for, the plants are cared for. Our physical home is cared for. The food is appropriately purchased so that we're not stressed looking for meals the rest of the week. So weekends are tasky. They could look very tasky, which can be taxing energetically, right? But it is a part of self-love in moderation. Because if you wait until one day, this is the one day that you have all these things. And reality is, for some people, that's their life. If you're in nursing or a physician, you may only have one day to do all the things. I get it. I get it. And that's where you have to look at self-love as, OK, how can I do this more efficiently? For instance, if you work a lot and you have money to help you, resource you, then how can I hire and delegate certain things, certain tasks? How can I pre-order this stuff during the week so that on this one day, how can I self-love and give yourself that buffer? And for some people, it is an hour a week that that's what they can do. And what I would say is, how can I urge you during the week in tiny sections-- I mean, I'm going to miss this-- instead of answering that next email, can you retreat? In the moment-- I'll give you an example. I'm on a podcast. I'm being recorded. In the moment, I'm going to micro-retreat by glancing at the birds, taking a sip of water, having a deep breath. And I'm still with you. I love that. But I just slightly brought any anxiety or stress level down by bringing presence into my moment. So you don't have to take a week every year, or a week of day every week, or an hour every week. You can build micro-retreat of self-love in every moment. It reminds me of-- Right? Yeah. It reminds me of BJ Fogg with Tiny Habits. Oh, yes. Right? And Tiny Habits-- those are just little things we do for ourselves. And they help to, as L.A. says, it gives you a chance to just connect. I live in New York City. As she was saying, take a walk in nature. People always say to me when I work with them for obesity and for weight loss, they're on that journey. And I'll say, well, what kind of physical activity do you like? And they'll say, I don't like any of it, because I don't like exercise. And because of what I've learned at Maryland University of Integrative Health, I choose to use the words, physical activity instead of exercise. Because exercise, for me, always is connected to the gym. Yeah, you want to hear a joke in our family? I can't wait. He's 10. And he looks at my husband always for uncle jokes, right? And they text quite frequently, uncle jokes. So this has been this week's joke is exercise. I thought we said extra fries. Ooh! Oh, I love that. Oh, I'm going to steal that. Greg, thank you. I'm going to steal that. Uncle Greg, right? Uncle Greg, thank you so much. Exercise. I thought you said extra fries. Oh, I love that so much better. It's true. I actually have a client in New York. And if she hears this, she'll say, oh, I'm really talking about me. But in the beginning, she said, I have to lose weight. I live in New York. How do I even begin? I said, well, what would you do? And for her, it was, well, I'll go to the gym and I'll do a little bit of weight lifting and walk in the treadmill. I said, great. What would you wear? And she's like, I don't know. I guess exercise clothes. I said, well, let's start there. Let's buy the thing that you think is required so that you can take care of your body in that way. The first day she went out to go to the gym, she's like, oh my god. There's so many people wearing exercise clothes. We have. We're wearing a lot of-- She said, you just noticed that? Oh my gosh. She's like, I never noticed it before. I said, well, what we think about, we bring about, and what we're in the process of applying to our lives begins to open up a whole new level of perspective. So once she saw that, she didn't feel so alone. Because I think in her mind, she felt like I'm the only one doing this. But when she saw other people were on this journey, it was such a shock to her that she wasn't alone and that other people were in this process. So I think a part of self-love is also developing that connection to community to be able to support you. Just like you shared, Michele, about your Pilates class being-- you had someone who understood you and said, oh, not a problem. We can move this to another time if it doesn't work for you. So to have the advocates in your corner, whether it's coaching, a mentor, a teacher, a friend, someone that you admire is imperative to reminding you-- again, self-love is attitude-- that you are worthy of love. Yes. And I think that you and I were talking, what else do you like to be in nature? I have three blocks away from me. So I want three avenues away from me. Is it avenues? Yes, three avenues away from me. I have Central Park. And so when people say to me-- and when I say what kind of physical activity do you like, especially if you live in a big city, they'll say, well, I don't really like it. And I'll literally say, do you walk? Which you know the answer is yes, of course, when I'm speaking to most people, not all. But most-- Not all students do that. No, no, no. Especially those living with chronic pain. Exactly. But when you put it in that light and say, you can take a walk. And then you put together-- which I like-- people always feel when I'm working with my clients that meditation has to be formal. No. Meditation is just connecting yourself to you. So being in nature gives you the opportunity to have that meditation in the trees, with the trees, walking around. If you take that time and you connect not just to all of us around you, but to yourself, it gives you the opportunity to understand how wonderful it is that all of these people and all of these things are going around. But I have my place, and I'm in my state and in my body. Meditation is a mindset. And it's a really easy practice once you get that part. With most of us having overstimulated minds-- the monkey mind, the busy bee-- what's helpful is a seed that could be planted and accessed easily. If I can guide you and your listeners in this moment and manage here, I have five particular meditation practices that I give to my clients. And I think two of them at least I feel like I've made up. Who knows? But I think I've made them up. And I'll share what I call my colorful meditation. So this color meditation, I invite you just find anything inside or outside. For you, your listener, if you're driving, just notice what you notice. Just find one thing. Find a color and look at that color and take one breath. I'm right now, and I'm looking at it behind Michele's head. She has a beautiful watercolor painting. I'm looking at the red, and I've finished my breath. Now I'm going to take another breath and move my eyes to something else. I'm noticing something blue. It's a green capture of that little client. Maybe it's beautiful. There's a blue peacock, and I'm finished with my breath. I'm going to move my eyes to another color. Moving to my gold wall. I'm taking another breath. And exhaling all the way. And then coming back to you. Right? So three deep breaths, or three breaths. Some people who may have PTSD, a deep breath can be triggering to them. So I invite you to breathe at a depth that feels good enough for you. And with the first breath, find a color. Any color doesn't matter. You can just inhale and exhale that color. No judgment. Just notice. And then move your eyes to another color, another thing inside, outside. Take an inhale and an exhale. Boy, that feels good to you. And then a third color. Object, being what's interesting to you. Take a breath. Exhale. Those three breaths with three particular colors are doing a multitude of biohacks for your neurological and physical system. You are de-stressing, reducing, cortisol, cortisol, improving your serotonin. And it is telling your body that you can move out of fight or flight, out of anxiety, into the moment. It's also playing on your amygdala, which is comfortable with patterns and colors. So if you land on something you like, you're already a tiny step ahead of de-stressing. Simply by going to a pattern of something that you like, which makes meditation, for the practice here really, as mindfulness, easy to access. So that's what I call the color meditation. I love that. I do. I think I made it up. I don't care. It sounds good to me. It's your version of-- It's my version. And I'll tell you where and when I came up with that. I was working with a client who had some severe PTSD, series of traumas. And he was an unusual client in that I don't normally work with PTSD client, but he needed an entry point. And luckily, that entry point then allowed him to take the next step to be able to work with a psychotherapist. That's great. I'm the poke that someone needs to do the work. And sometimes it's reverse. They've already done the work, and now they're ready to take the next steps to become the next version of themselves. But he said, I hear about meditation. I can't sit there. I just can't. My mind is racing. And he was shaking. It was physically hard for him even to be seen. Really was. And I guided him in that moment to follow color as a way to meditate. It was a game changer. Wow. So then I explored some other ones. So I have a tactile one that uses a hole in the five senses, another one called the breath bubble, and a few more. So it's a whole thing. I have to do a series of videos on that. I know. But you should, because we're looking for ways to connect, not just to others and the bigger picture, but to ourselves. And that's what self-love is. And we keep coming back to that. Because I can remember years ago, I fell in love with-- I remember being introduced to Louise Hay. And Louise Hay says about self-love and healing yourself. You have the power to heal your life. And you need to know that. We think so often that we are helpless, but we're not. We always have the power of our minds. Claim and consciously use your power. So when we expand our thinking and beliefs, our love blows freely. Absolutely. And that speaks to something that I think is really important to talk about, that you and I were taught through the lineage of Ty Sophia, the Maryland University, and now Notre Dame School of Integrative Medicine, is that you can live with a diagnosis and still be healthy. Yes, very much so. And so that's really different than the Western medicine. Yes. Fixing. A fixing. And labeling. Labeling to say, because you're this, you're not healthy. Whereas the integrative medicine model says, yes, these numbers are this. This label says this. Your mind matters in how you dress and live with this. For almost six years now, a previous boyfriend of mine, who was one of the sound engineers on the tour that I was on, has progressively been living with a debilitating spinal illness. And whereas he could talk six years ago, now he's in a full body cast, trach, bags, colonoscopy bags. And he's really, really, really suffered. And yet I do my best to communicate via text to say what's good today. He can't eat, can't talk. He can't walk. He could use his hands. He could draw. He could read. So we explore what is possible within limitations. And that's the gift of the Louise Hay quote that you just shared is, we may not be able to heal the illness or heal the diagnosis, but there is room to live the fullest life possible within that story. To create a story that can be as fulfilling as possible. And that does take some-- you know it. You live this. You absolutely know this. No, no. I have MS, but I'm not MS. Yes. You're not aligned with the-- If I lived a diagnosis, you'd want to pull the covers over your head and just stay there. And that certainly isn't the way that you live for 25 years. And that doesn't mean that you don't have that time where there's upset. But what you do is you keep uncovering the layers of an onion and get to how do I live? How do I enjoy the things I can enjoy? How do I break out of what people expect? And live your best life. And for every single person, that means something a bit different, right, Analise? I mean, there are people that love to travel. There are people that love to sit in the sun. I'm not a sun lover. Not that I don't like the sun, but I'm not someone who would crave sitting on a beach. But I would crave being on a sailboat and being on the water and being in the sun. So everybody has their version of how they perceive being in space, being with yourself. And that really comes from the inside out. And Analise and I both know this is not easy. It's not easy because you're going from chaos to calm, which is-- I mean, she just held up the book with your love. From the inside out, yes. Thank you. It's so important. Right? It makes a huge difference to say to yourself, I am going to live from here. And people are funny. They say to me, well, you don't look like you have MS. I'm like, what does MS look like to you? That's a hard thing. Yeah. Right? And people try to understand. What did you say? Everybody is always trying to connect. And they want to connect in a way that they can see themselves in something. Coming back to self-love. If the idea of having a meditation practice, for example, since we were talking about that, they can't see themselves in it. Well, then either that's not for you or the way you're seeing it isn't for you. So then how can you see it in a way that fits your lifestyle? And that goes for all the things. If you want to ride a bike, but you don't live any place that feels safe to ride a bike, well, what are ways for you to make it accessible? Is it a toileton? Is it to find trails outside of where you live and make it an appointment when you're calendared to do that? Join a bike club. Right? I was going to say join a bike club. Join a bike club? Yeah. It's got to fit for you. Yeah. It really does. I encourage people to go back to the micro movements. First, it's a mindset. Self-love is do I love myself? Yes. No. There's no maybe in between. And if it's no, maybe there's some work to be done, some psychological work, some trauma work, some therapy on, well, maybe you've never even thought about it. When is that? Self-love. I remember in my book, my mom's like, oh, what's that? Boy, I've been to a lot of therapy. Oh, please. The two of us. The two of us. We've had our share. Right? And if you're like, yeah, I love myself, what does that really mean? It's about respect. Do you respect yourself? Enough to love yourself in that way that you can genuinely know that you're worth taking care of. Yes. Well said, Michele. You are worth taking care of. And making it a priority. Not just consistently, but always. And it changes. Don't you think, Annalise? It changes over time. You explore and experience different things. And you grow. And hopefully you learn and expand your circle. Not just of people, but also your circle of practices and how you look at things that your book is from Chaos to Calm. As coaches, we're not therapists. We're not psychologists. We're not social workers. We, as coaches-- and this is very important for people to understand about coaches that have learned these practices-- we live now. We are here in the present going forward. And what is now? That doesn't mean you don't have your whole past. But we want to help you from here going there. What is your goal? What's the next thing? Where do you see yourself? And I like that ability to sort of wash away, the therapy sessions, all of the past, and what has happened to us. To say, where am I now? Where can I go next? How can I grow bigger? How can I expand? And I think when you start to say, from chaos to calm, you can feel things just starting to settle. To rest-- I like that better-- to rest. To rest in yourself is a lesson that we all have. That's a very important lesson. How do you rest within yourself? That doesn't mean that you're not active in doing things and participating. But sometimes we have to take a rest and say, you know what? There you go. So that's the most important thing for all of us to do. I think that I got when I interviewed-- and at least the first time I ordered her book-- because being with someone, being with people who have found that place-- and for those of us who are coaches and you're talking about transformational leadership-- what makes us transform is what makes us move forward. How can I not just be better, but how can I live better? How can I be more inclusive? How can I be a better leader? People always say, well, I'm not a leader. I'm not a director. I'm not the CEO. You're the CEO of your own life. Yeah, absolutely. CEO of you. One of my classmates actually wrote a book that I will see and will view. Yeah, and I think that's-- Because it's called a PhD of you. But it's true. Transformation is a series of seasons that equate to an outcome of change. And that involves both letting go, shedding the old-- which is where the therapeutic part can come in, or therapy-- letting go of the past. But you also have to grow from it. And coaching is right in that sweet spot. Right. Between letting go and moving forward. And as coaches, as you said, we may fish into the past to pull from a resource. This thing happened. And what's the lesson now? What's that mindset now? What's the gift now that can help you move towards the future? And transformation, again, change can't happen without that key, that key that connects to your heart and your own self-love. And I think, yeah. Because this is what allows you to be in agreement with wanting to change, wanting to improve, wanting to grow. Without that agreement with self, then patterns will key. And that can cause a whole other level of unnecessary suffering that goes beyond the traditional types of pain that people might live with. I think what's valuable is we are trying to help people see what they can see and help them move forward through in ways that are courageous, creative, and with grace. So for the listeners out there, how do they get a hold of you and your work? Because each one of us as coaches works differently. So we're not in competition with each other. We're all each individuals. We work differently. I am totally someone who, if I don't think I'm the best fit for someone, I love to be able to tap into people that I think maybe a better fit. And that doesn't make us less or not able. It means that we're aware that perhaps there's somebody who can connect in a space-- that sweet spot, as Emily said-- that may be better. So do you have a website? And how do they get a hold of you? Next week, Conduit for Change, C-O-N-D-U-I-T-F-O-R, change.com, Conduit for Change. And I have a calendar link on there so that they can schedule with me at the earliest convenience. My book from Chaos to Coloninating Change from Its Inside Out is on Amazon. It is also on Kindle, audiobook, and paper coffee. Yay. I am really, really enjoy speaking with you. Always. Speaking and connecting with your listeners. Thank you, listeners, out there for being a supporter of Michele Weston and what she's putting out in the world. And continue to walk your walk and explore and be curious. Keep showing up. That's the process. Because we want to live beyond our diagnosis. And we want to expand and really flourish and thrive. And that's what we're looking for. And if you go to her site, you'll also see some of her artwork. She's had shows here in New York as well. I have. I sold a big piece a couple of years ago. I love that. My art website is on at leastgentoo.com. I actually have three websites. I'm also a wedding officiant. And it's teenytinyweddingrawly.com. Oh, I love that. And I hope that you're feeling as you're listening to the two of us speak, Annalise's energy. Because it is infectious. And that's why I really love to have her on the show to share her with you. So I look forward to our next conversation. And everyone, we wish you namaste. Have a good, good day. Thank you so much. Bye, Michele. Bye, listeners. Nice to meet you all. Thanks for tuning in to this episode of Beyond the Diagnosis. If something we talked about today resonated with you, if you're craving deeper understanding, better support, we just want to know you're not alone on this journey. Make sure to subscribe to my free sub stack at Micheleweston.substack.com. 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