Lord Of The Rings: Fellowship Of The Ring

The Film_Pod boys are back on there journey many would consider to be more important than the one Frodo began in Fellowship Of The Rings. They're back to watch & discuss every film on The New York Time's Top 100 Films Of The 21st Century list and in this episode they will discuss the aforementioned "Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring" 

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

No, I want I just I want the first mic. I want the mic number one. You got it, bro. Because at the end of the day, I was a youngest child, so I always got controller number two. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00 0:12

So this is like see, because I came from a household where, like, well, maybe it's just because I was a big brother with an age gap and little sister where I always had to be player two to like my little sister's number one. Right, that's for but I was like, But also that I the flip side was also true. I was very frequently number one and just gave her like oh control at all.

SPEAKER_04 0:32

Yes. I my I was the youngest to a four-year older sister. So I wouldn't I wasn't getting number one.

SPEAKER_00 0:41

You were your shit was unplugged even, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 0:43

Maybe. I mean, granted, when we'd play video games together, it was often like guitar hero or rock band, so it didn't really matter.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Well, yeah, that's just teamwork. Yeah. That's what's good about those games. Also, that I'm fucking good as shit at them.

SPEAKER_04 0:58

Oh, so am I.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

If we're on medium. See, on expert, I could play, I can do every level, I can do every rock band instrument on expert.

SPEAKER_04 1:07

See, that pisses me off because I have like motor skill issues in my hands, so I could never go past medium, and I feel like less of a man because of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Well, that I mean it's sad because it is a video game, so you shouldn't feel like less of anybody, but I do, I do feel a little embarrassed on the flip side about how good I am at it. You know what I mean? I'm like I had like literally, I was like, you know, in college, you know, playing this shit like daily for a long period of time. I mean at different locations, playing it at home by myself, and then going to my friend's house and playing, like doing like band, like practicing my instrument at home to go smoke weed with the boys and be lock in on the drums for fucking no one knows or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

That is crazy. One time on a Sunday, me and my sister, we played it for hours after church, like every Sunday. Yeah, I mean, from like morning church to night church, we were playing Guitar Hero. Right. And what my dad wanted to start playing, and he had to play on easy, but like one time he just put the guitar behind his head during one of like the main parts on the song and was going like flawless, like it was behind his head he couldn't even see, and like it really did piss me and my sister off because like we would practice all the time, right? And then he would just pick it up behind his head.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Well, look, A, you guys were kids, he was an adult. Fair enough. And shit, my man had been putting in years of work in the fucking video game minds before you guys were even born, bro.

SPEAKER_04 2:46

That is true. One time he he was calling me a nerd, he was like, you know, you're doing all this nerdy stuff. I was like, didn't you say you held the high score on Frogger? Star Trek fan dad called me a nerd. Yeah, and then I was like, didn't you say like you held the high score on every Frogger machine in the Shreeport Bozure area as a kid? And then he was like, Yeah, but the thing is, I was fighting somebody on the way there and on the way back. I was like, that doesn't make you a man, that just makes you like a bully.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

It also means I mean, I do see part of his perspective, right? Playing Frogger is almost like a sport because it is fucking crazy reflexes, dog. Like getting to the end is crazy reflexes. And if he's good at Frogger, yo, I mean, this is the type of individual you want, like, in a high-speed pursuit, right? Like he's seeing this shit like three steps ahead, bro. That's fucking good.

SPEAKER_04 3:44

No, they interviewed him on the news one time about Frogger? No, about a high-speed pursuit he was in.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

It was the 1980s. The nation had Pac-Man fever.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

And they said, How did you catch up to him so quick? He said, Just like Frogger.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Dude, see, I told you, bro. I told him, I mean, look, it gets you fucking Yeah. Yeah, anticipate. You know what else was just like Frogger? What's that?

SPEAKER_04 4:13

Lord of the Rings.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Let's go. What are we even talking about? Who are we? What are we doing here, bro?

SPEAKER_04 4:17

This is film pod. We're the film pod boys. We don't just talk about Guitar Hero and Frogger and our childhood.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Or even our father's childhood for some reason.

SPEAKER_04 4:26

Yeah, hey, hey, but that's what you get when you tune into film pod. You don't just get film, you get us. You get pod as well.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

And you know, sometimes we have to climb through the archive, bro. Sometimes, you know, sometimes there's epigenetic memories that come through when you're fucking talking about Lord of the Rings. If anything has epigenetic memories, bro. Fucking Lord of the Rings, the Fellowship of the Rings specifically.

SPEAKER_04 4:49

Can you explain to me what epigenetic means?

SPEAKER_00 4:52

It means like, so epigenetic refers to uh like genes in your body that respond to external stimuli, right? So it's like freckles, right? Freckles is like an epigenetic thing, right? Because everybody has or like everyone has or different levels of like melanin receptors in their skin. And then, you know, for white people in particular, but of course, you can never paint with a broad brush when those people are exposed to sunlight or UVA and UVB radiation, they produce melanin in more frequent, less frequent spots due to their genomes. And then so there's like then what happens is I literally put my boy to sleep talking about that. It's a lot. I literally put my boy to sleep putting out that he yawned big as fuck. He yawned like he was peregrine took fucking listening to those fuckers.

SPEAKER_04 5:59

It's been a long few weeks for your boy. I know, man. The yawn had nothing to do with the term epigenetic.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

And well, and I just mean in this film, right? They also say like trauma can leave like epigenetic or you know, markers in your body, right? Where like, so that would be like how that like a trauma would be passed down through generations.

SPEAKER_04 6:25

Okay, okay, yeah. I get it now. I get it now. But we are, and I I say like conversations like this are important, especially on the episodes like Lord of the Rings, because it's like, what are we gonna say about Lord of the Rings? That has if you read every word that had been written about Lord of the Rings.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

This is a movie that's been thought about.

SPEAKER_04 6:47

It's been thought about.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

It's been a lot of so this was uh a lot of times I like to do a little research, also, especially when I'm drawn in by a film. Uh this uh that I zagged this time. I read nothing else, I just watched the extended edition.

SPEAKER_04 7:06

Yeah, because the way me and you view movies, we won't say how. No, but it is a special way that cool people watch movies. Yeah, because we're not giving we're not giving money to HBO. Let's just say that. No, we're not giving money to HBO, we're not giving money to the Ellisons, we're not giving money to Zasloff.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

On fuck's sake, am I like, dude? No way. No, thank you, brother.

SPEAKER_04 7:29

So let's just say we watched this movie in a way that we're not gonna talk about on the podcast. In that way, we received the movies.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

I don't know how I watched it, but there was oh, I think that there was a friend of mine in Panama through a VPN that was watching this shit on my computer.

SPEAKER_04 7:49

Yeah, there was a friend of mine in Toronto also watching this on my computer. It's crazy. It's crazy how that works. But when your friends in Toronto and Panama are watching these movies, you can only they can only get the extended editions.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

That's all they that's all that's uploaded on these servers, they tell me.

SPEAKER_04 8:10

Something about these servers, they only give you because I didn't watch Gladiator or my friend, I didn't watch Gladiator on the server.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

I watched Gladiator on those servers, and boy Hallley, did they make sure the extended edition was uploaded.

SPEAKER_04 8:24

And you needed the extended edition of Gladiator.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

I liked it, you know. I liked it, you know, a little long of the tooth. Yeah. Because it's extended, you know. I think, you know, the fucking theatrical cut one, best picture, but what the fuck, you know.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

I'll say this about the Lord of the Rings extended editions. I couldn't tell which scenes were added, and I don't think I did not think the movie was too long.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Bro, here's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 8:49

I thought the movie clipped.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

Can I tell you something? Thousand percent agree with that take, my boy. Because look, honestly, honest to God, I don't think I've seen a lick of Lord of the Rings since fucking when like the two years after Return of the King came out.

SPEAKER_04 9:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:11

You know what I mean? Whenever, like, they were still like first putting out the big DVD box sets of it, and potheads around my fucking college campus or you know, wherever I was living were like, let's fucking get a fucking, you know, let's let's get a quarter and fucking just watch all of them. And so I haven't seen them since then. Um, but I did have a sense of some of the stuff that I hadn't seen before.

SPEAKER_04 9:41

Um I didn't at all because I watched these movies one time in early high school. I watched them with my father, and we watched the theatrical cuts, and since then I think I'd watched Fellowship one time on a charter bus to Louisville. Oh, yes. So it's like I wasn't really paying attention.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

Sure. That's how I watched Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Not to Louisville, of course. I was on the way to Orlando. Okay. We also watched Don Q. John Q. Dude, John Q, classic fucking bus movie, huh? John Q the perfect bus movie.

SPEAKER_04 10:23

The bus driver put that one on.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

Because there's only like four movies they have on the bus dog. I think there's some sort of Betamax. There's some sort of special Betamax player so they can hit all those TVs. So they got fucking John Q, they got Mr. and Mrs. Smith, they got Fellowship of the Ring. And they got um Pearl Harbor. Yeah, well, you nailed it.

SPEAKER_04 10:44

Because we were we thought one of our friends, one of our friends in college put on John Q. So we were deucin on the movie the whole time. Oh dude. Not a good game.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

Just a solid fucking teardrop dumping down the fucking bus driver's face. Like, I just thought it was a story about a father's love.

SPEAKER_04 11:02

And then we get on, like a few hours later, we get back on the bus for lunch. And I said, audibly very loud, I said, Who in the hell put Pearl Harbor on? And someone goes, Jennings. That's a bus driver's movie.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

Jennings. His father's Michael Bay.

SPEAKER_04 11:26

I met a dude whose first movie he worked on was Pearl Harbor. Damn. Fuck. He said he broke in boots all day. But either way, we're film pod.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

Did he break him in or did he lick him? Uh-huh. That was a fun, that was a face-based joke, really. So I shouldn't have done that with another pod.

SPEAKER_04 11:45

But we're film pod. I'm Michael Jennings. I'm Cyrus Cooper. And we watch and discuss each film on the New York Times top 100 films of the 21st century. This week is Lord of the Rings. The Fellowship. The Fellowship of the Ring.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

And the first film in the series of three by Peter Jackson. And look, broad strokes. I really enjoyed it. Like you said, it did have a fucking breezy clip. And coming back to it at this ripened age of mine, the thing that I thought of, and of course, you know, I don't know if this is what the contemporary takes were, but I'm sure there were many parallels drawn, was of like the epics of David Lean. You know, this was I felt like this was kind of like a Lawrence of Arabia style film in its scope. And uh yeah, I thought that the, you know, it being a fantasy movie was dope. You know what I mean? I just thought it was like very cool. And I think what we got in the extended editions was like we got way more just like we got way more shy of shit.

SPEAKER_04 13:03

We got way more names of stuff, way more fucking shy, bro.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

That was the main thing I noticed is I was way more fucking shy in the extended edition.

SPEAKER_04 13:11

And let me say, like, usually stuff like that would be a little tedious. I liked all of it. There was not a scene in this movie that I disliked. And we discussed this a few weeks ago before even watching the film, whereas we often come into episodes disagreeing on the movie. Our taste, yeah. Our taste is pretty different. Like you came in not loving Minority Report, I came in not loving gleaners. Right. And I said, I wish we would agree on one. And you said, correct, you know, prof prophesizing. You said, I think we're gonna agree on Lord of the Rings. Yeah. You said, I feel like we're gonna get done with that and be like, yo, didn't that rip? And obviously it rips. There's there's nothing bad about the movie. There's there is there's nothing to critique.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

Yeah, I mean, like, that is the thing, is like I'm sure there is well, like, we could try to critique, right? That is our our oh, you know, raison debt for fucking having the podcast. Um raison debt. But fuck, you know, everything was good, and I liked, like, you know, I thought the like let's just like start with the Shire, right? Like, in terms of having the extended edition, uh, you know, I just I really enjoyed the balancing of tones, you know. We talk about this like sometimes how it's really fun to have a movie that can be kind of have everything in it, right? That can be emotionally effective, can be funny, um and also not feel like it's wasting your fucking time on it either of those. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:52

And I feel like with the extra scenes in the Shire, it felt it didn't feel like wasted time because when you get to the later more dramatic scenes of like you're not sure if everything is gonna be okay, you know, the the the dark nights of the soul, you know what's at stake.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:11

Because you know the humanity within Middle Earth. Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

They like having that hour in the Shire, right, really does make the fucking, you know, at the end, when my well talk, like I guess the scene right before the very end, my boy is looking in Galadriel's mirror and he sees fucking the Shire burning and shit, and all everybody running. You're like, yo, that place looked like an idyllic, lovely place filled with all sorts of you know, hobbid andity.

SPEAKER_04 15:42

Hobbidanity.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

And you know, Gandalf's coming through like a fucking giant, and like everybody's like, yeah, that's our fucking big buddy Gandalf who makes the dope ass fucking fireworks.

SPEAKER_04 15:55

Smokes the dankest pipe weed.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Dude, God, dude, how much of a legend. You know, Gandalf, right? This is my fucking guy. I'm not even gonna play. This dude is fucking the exact type of fellow I would want to be if I was in Middle Earth. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 16:12

Can I say this? Yeah, you're kind of the Gandalf of the New Orleans comedy scene. Bro, that's so nice of you to say, bro. Because before I met you, you had been gone for many, many years.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

That's true. I was up there fucking with my shadow facts.

SPEAKER_04 16:24

And when you showed back up, you were smoking the dankest pipe weed, and people were like, Cyrus!

SPEAKER_00 16:31

That's kind.

SPEAKER_04 16:32

Yeah, and I was just like, who's this guy? Except everyone knew Gandalf.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

But oh, but yeah. I turned into Cyrus the Gray after getting older, but you know my boy is still making white. Nice. That's slang for calm.

SPEAKER_04 16:51

Thank you for breaking that down for the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Sometimes people, sometimes the pod listeners, you know, they might not know what kind of fucking lingo we're throwing around. Sometimes we're, you know, streets ahead, as they used to say. Streets ahead, community ref. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_04 17:07

Stop trying to make streets ahead happen.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Um, man. But what I was to aim to say is that, like, uh, you get the breadth of the humanity of Middle Earth, right? Like you said, even the breadth of the experiences of Middle Earth, which is uh incredible and also necessary to like believably forge the bond of the fellowship by the end of the film. Right? You can't just like ooh, I think Carolina's getting home. Um you can't just like, you know, these guys just like decided to be a fucking team. You know. Come on in, babe. Hi, darling. Oh, the doggy got excited. Oh, Petey always loves seeing his mama. There's the offering baby. It's going good, babe. Fun show, good show. Oh. Fuck ice.

SPEAKER_04 18:22

I think you're going away? Do you want the bed, baby? You make her sleep in that, bro? Dude, dude, killed it.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Killed it. You fucking crushed that one, brother. That was a good joke. Oh my gosh. He did jump on that opportunity. We know this. That's the big, man.

SPEAKER_04 18:47

And we know this. Um I do think it's apropos referring to her show. You said F ice. Right. Because what were the damn orcs?

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Ooh, interessante, dude. Well, clearly the orcs are like ice, right?

SPEAKER_04 19:08

Because I mean, they're just any, like, you can just put any baseline Gestapo as the orcs. Right, but also look how fast they recruited them.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

Right. They built them up. Just the ugliest people we have ever. Just gnar tore up from the floor up. These fucking ice agents. You know, that's in, you know, not to get too far off topic, but exactly why they're so violent. Is because they're so like hideous and malformed and disrespect like irrespective.

SPEAKER_04 19:40

There is one scene that was cut out of the extended edition, and it was them going, nah man, I don't think. And then it was them looking in a mirror and Sauron going, No woman is ever gonna like sleep with you. And they're going, I guess I have to ruin it.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

I guess I I guess I I guess I'll be hanging out with Pete Hages now. Dude, Saruman, right? That's the bad wizard, right? Right, yeah. I just wanted like Sauron is the was the OG who built who had the ring built for him.

SPEAKER_04 20:09

Dude, I hate when movies do that. They make like they name two things very similar.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

You gotta fucking take this one back to JRR himself.

SPEAKER_04 20:16

I'll take it back to JRR. I'll take it back. I'll take it all the way back.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

That's the fucking hater extraordinaire.

SPEAKER_04 20:25

Yeah. People act like I don't like people I say people act like I can't hate. People know I'm the biggest hater in this movie.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Uh but it it's why we love him.

SPEAKER_04 20:38

But, yes. What was I because he's got taste. I do have taste, and that's what people don't know about me.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

I I know that about you. That's why we talk about film all the time.

SPEAKER_04 20:52

But yes, I mean, that is like that does lead us into what we always speak about on these movies is you know how they relate to the 21st century, and it's so interesting. Sometimes the older a movie is.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

This movie came out in 01 too, huh? 01, yeah, or 02, maybe. I'm gonna look up the release date right now. Because if it came out before September 11th, which I think it did not, but it might have.

SPEAKER_04 21:19

Either way, it was made before.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

I'm on TolkienGateway.com. Let's see. Released. Ooh. It's what brought us back together. December 19th, 2001. Let's be real, bro. I think what bought us Can we be real, bro? I think what brought us back together is in a few weeks, actually, but I don't know, dog. Because I think you can make a fucking case here. Maybe so. I mean We're talking, okay, December nineteenth. It's our first Christmas after fucking Dec September eleventh. Third plane hit. Exactly. Here's what. And then, like, so everybody's like, okay, I guess it's Christmas, you know. Stock market's fucked up because of 9-11, of course. And everybody's like, damn, this is kind of fucking crazy. Shit's fucking wild bad. We have a fucking mortal enemy who wants us dead for our fucking country. How many people were fucking, you know, casting Osamos as Sauron in their mind? Exactly. They're feeling bereft and looked upon by an evil outsider. And then you get a story about how even like the littlest guy can be like the biggest fucking hero, aka The American Dream. And also, you know, what was our big fucking rallying cry? United we stand, right? So like stories about like brotherhood come together, fellowship. They were primed to fucking kick off, doggy.

SPEAKER_04 23:19

They were. It relates to the 21st century. Because if not for this movie, we may not have invaded Iraq. It's true. I agree with that. You think Bush was watching this in the White House's theater? No question. He's like, alrighty. I'm just I'm what was uh what was the guy with the sword's name that died at the end? The oh fucking Boromir? Boromir, he goes, Boromir. I'm the Boromir of this nation. Boromir. Why is he so bored?

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Oh dude. W was like, was on them orcs, though. He's like, yeah, that's exactly what they're like, you know.

SPEAKER_04 24:06

Orcs, man. I got my own army orcs. Donald Rumfeld, he's my orc.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

Unknown knowns and unknown unknowns. Fuck. The fucking man style orc was an unknown unknown. The fucking daytime orc. That's a daytime orc, man. Alright. Damn, man. That's a damn daytime orc there, man. Damn. Full moon one time. Alright, sorry.

SPEAKER_04 24:34

I like doing my bush impression, even though it's got it's gotten rusty over the years because like it started hot.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

When you were just popping in, yeah. It was a little weaker, but like when you were concentrating and you started. I used to be able to do bush for hours the way I can do Trump for hours now. Yeah. But we gotta get you somebody like a little off-the-beaten path to do an impression of that you might like to do.

SPEAKER_04 24:55

I've always wanted to do like an Ashton Kutcher impression, but I could never quite nail it.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

Well, you know, he doesn't have the quite the, you know, I almost got a idiosyncratic voice that he did in that 70s show. Right, Kelso character.

SPEAKER_04 25:08

Yeah, like I could I almost got Kelso down, but it's like at what point is like the impression?

SPEAKER_00 25:13

Because like I've heard your fess and it's incredible.

SPEAKER_04 25:18

Yakki. I am I am from all right.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Well, I mean, that was the whole joke of the character, right? Was that he was like from a nowhere place, right? He just had some sort of fucking strange accent.

SPEAKER_04 25:30

Back to Lord of the Rings.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Oh, that I was talking about fucking um Hugo Weaving's character just now, not Fez. Dude, that was some fucking crazy shit. So we see beautiful time in the fucking Shire. Then they got a fucking haul ass. My boy Gandalf's like, I'll see you over at the fucking tavern. He gets hemmed up by Saruman. Right?

SPEAKER_04 26:09

Right, yeah. And let me say I'm just like Gandalf because often I'll be like, I'm gonna see you over at the tavern. I'm nowhere to be found.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

Yo, I'm not meeting you at the tavern, man.

SPEAKER_04 26:18

I'm not gonna be there.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Look, God willing, I'm not on top of fucking Saruman's tower. Exactly. Exactly. Hopefully I'm home, but there's a great chance I'm not making it to that tavern either way. Like, I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna be there. Hey, I will give you false expectations.

SPEAKER_04 26:34

Like you go out, you do the journey, not me. No, I'm gonna wait for that fucking eagle.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Thanks.

SPEAKER_04 26:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

I'm gonna die later. Yeah. It ain't gonna be a tavern. No. But if I'm gonna die, it's gonna be on the bridge of fucking Morio or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 26:51

But we got all that dime. We're still in the Shire, technically, with the way we're leading this episode with all these. But what what would a Lord of the Rings episode be without a few little meanderings? Meanderings. But when we leave the Shire, this is something that like as someone who's taken a screenwriting class or two really enjoys, is right before they step out of the Shire. I think it was Pippin who said like it was either Samwise or Pippin. I think it's it was Samwise because the farthest I've been or whatever. Yeah, because they didn't meet up with uh I almost said Scotty and Pippin, but they didn't meet up with Pippin and uh Dude, my favorite fucking four hobbits, Michael, Jordan, Scotty, and Pippin, baby. But they didn't meet up with Mary and Pippin until like after that.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

Yeah. But well, because Mary and Pippin jump out right out of the fucking Charlie from Lost. Dude, these guys are fucking, these guys are a problem. I love them. They are. They're the worst, though. They're not the worst. You gotta have them there, though. Yeah, they're not the worst. I do love them, but boy, howdy. Yeah, these guys really, you know, they really glommed on this trip.

SPEAKER_04 28:01

We know a few comics like that that are just like, what are you doing here?

SPEAKER_00 28:04

Right. Well, I would I don't there's no reason why I can't give you a ride right now, but I really don't want to.

SPEAKER_04 28:12

It's like you are gonna say something offensive in your set, and they're not gonna want to pay us when we get to Mississippi. But oh lordy, but you're our friend, yeah. And you're gonna at least split gas. And that is the claim this though. I don't want to be right, but that's the Marion Pippen of like we know the Marion Pippen.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

These fuckers, they ate four pieces of that bread, dog. Yo, that was crazy.

SPEAKER_04 28:41

Here's the thing, here's the thing about the four pieces of the bread. That was the like I was locked into the movie, and I'm like, even if something's funny in a movie, yeah. It's unfortunate about me is that like I'm around so much like humor now with comedy, yeah, is that I rarely laugh out loud. Yeah, I'll just like notice that something is funny. It has to be the lowest brow stuff to get me to laugh.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Yeah. And like shit that would have been cut from my love Lucy dog. Like they're gonna fucking like, oh no, I'm sick.

SPEAKER_04 29:17

And I just started laughing.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

I was like, bro, I was sitting here holding the dog watching shit at like 1.5 just fucking dying, dude. Yeah, because like it was also, I mean, it's just funny because of the way it played. They played the scene well, right? You had that fucking very solemn elf, like, one bite, um fill a man's stomach for a whole fortnight or whatever. It was like, yeah, they're like, oh yeah, thanks. How many did you you know? Like four. Yo, that guy can put it down, bro.

SPEAKER_04 29:55

That was straight up me the first time I did like edible weed. Yo, yeah. They're like half the a quarter one of these, that'll get you. I'm like, a quarter of it? Yeah, and they're like, Yeah, I'm like sick. And then I just went home and cried for a few hours.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Damn, my man should have eaten four. No. Of the breads. Oh.

SPEAKER_04 30:15

But but yes, when they're leaving the Shire. Yes. And he goes, one more step, this will be the furthest I am away from home. As someone who's taken screenwriting classes and read all those books that probably didn't help me any. The literalizing of the hero's journey like that, yeah. The actual saying, like, I'm leaving the ordinary world through something like that. Yeah, I always geek out over stuff like that. In Star Wars, when Luke entered the uh bar and he literally like that's the first time he like an actual like threshold. I love that. And that's very old school, that's very novel. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

And that makes sense because this was based off one of the most uh And also of you know, a chapter book, right? A movie that a movie based on a book that lends itself to these neat little chapter kind of moments, which I appreciate too, because it helps that epic sweep, that epic feel kind of come across too, right? You know, every kind of beat of the movie has that uh kind of has all of it happening. For sure. Um so then they fucking meet up with a goddamn strider at the fucking tavern. Tavern was kind of dope. Um, of course, who fucking runs their mouth a little too much? Pippin. These fucking guys that glommed on. They gotta be cool. Can't fucking keep their names under people's hats here, which is like just Frodo! Oh yeah, you should be my rich friend Frodo's fucking he's rolling in it, he's mad robable and fucking tiny shit. Half y'all could probably put him in your pocket, anyway. He's my best friend, and also probably a fucking bitch. Anyone here wanna give me any food? I only had four of the crackers. I've eaten nine tables in here like a termite, and now I'm still hungry.

SPEAKER_04 32:22

It was just, it was so masterfully constructed. And like, I want to give Peter Jackson credit for seeing it through, but how much credit can you give this movie to Peter Jackson more so than Tolkien? I think that's an interesting part of the movie.

SPEAKER_00 32:43

Here's the thing, like although we did watch the extended edition, there's not like there wasn't shit that in the book that wasn't in the movies. Right. My man was making choices about what to cut and how to craft and really he did cut out Tom Bombadell. He had to streamline the shit, right? He did figure out like the you know, using shit like the hero's journey that was all already there, but like how do we fucking what I really like is how he navigates the, you know, I find interesting is how he navigates splitting them up in the you know in two and three and bringing it back together. Um we won't talk about two and three very much because they're not in the list.

SPEAKER_04 33:27

Also, let me ask you this about that. This was shot through. This was not like they took a year off, then made a second, took a year off, made a third, they made it all as one big movie, yeah, and then they cut it up because I think he went to Mirimax first, and they were like, Yeah, can you just make it like a two-hour movie? He goes, All three, and they were like, Yeah, he goes, No, I'm making, I'm making Lord of the Rings. He goes, if we're doing this, we're doing this. Right. And then he he got the funding for this large, you know, epic, but they were like, it still needs to be a trilogy. Yeah. Because the book was split into three books, but was originally one novel. Right. And so, but my question would be do you think they should have done like what like what numbers is 88, I think? Yeah. Do you think they should have done an 88 A, B, and C, like all three of them?

SPEAKER_00 34:26

I don't, right? Just because um like I do think there's something larger culturally that's kicked off by Lord of the Rings in 2001. Um, the Fellowship of the Ring, that is like um is indicative of like how a big cultural kind of swab or like shift over the years in terms of what became popular culture and shit. Um like while I do think that like Two Towers and Return of the King are you know fantastic, I think it's that you know, with Fellowship of the Ring right there, it was a fucking sensation. I remember that um like off the rip, people loved it. And then it also showed that like fantasy, you know, is it was a viable like cultural product again, and now it's extremely viable, it's everywhere, you know. There's all kinds of fantasy romance novels, or like, you know, the top-selling books in America, probably. You know, how big is what was fucking Game of Thrones and shit like that. So I mean, while I get what you're saying with the B and the C, I think that like the whole movement of cultural in that way.

SPEAKER_04 36:08

You could kind of just that's that's fair because was this pre or did this come out before or after Philosopher's or Sorcerer's Stone?

SPEAKER_05 36:18

Film-wise, film-wise.

SPEAKER_04 36:21

Before, I'm pretty sure, bro. Because I always thought Sorcerer's Stone was 99, but I could be totally wrong.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Let's see here. Well no. Harry Potter. And the Sorcerer's Stone. You know what? It came out on November 16th, 2001.

SPEAKER_04 36:49

Sorcerer's Stone did?

SPEAKER_00 36:51

Mm-hmm. Okay, so I mean, like So a month you had this, and then a month later, motherfucking Lord of the Rings.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

And I'm not advocating for any Harry Potter um product to be championed anymore, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

But I do, I do think But that ain't that a one-two punch, huh?

SPEAKER_04 37:11

It is crazy to think about. I mean, like.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

Uh just literally a month later, you had like the more grown-up fantasy. Yeah, fantasy fans were eating. They were chomping, bro. They weren't just eating. But what are some important things? Do you want to talk about any important scenes? I've been trying to do my own fellowship of the ring through my own brain, trying to remember how this movie goes. I know. I watched it like a week. We gotta talk about fucking elves. We still not mention any fucking elf shit except for my one. Shout out to Galadriel. Um a little live live Tyler. So let's just go through the fucking fellowship themselves, huh? Yeah. So we have Strider, Strider, aka Aragorn, heir to the throne of Gondor. Yeah, right. You got a little Gimli. Gimli. My favorite character. I mean, hey, funny as hell. Cute little guy, dwarf. Right? Right. Um, miner, right? That's like their a mining culture, a gigging culture. We have our guy with the bow and arrow. Um Orlando Bloom's guy.

SPEAKER_04 38:27

Yeah, what was his name?

SPEAKER_00 38:30

The fucking Blondie guy. Um Legolas. Legolas.

SPEAKER_04 38:36

Where does Legs go?

SPEAKER_00 38:37

All right. Legolas is dope. I mean, there's that one headshot they have that like crazy, like Peter Jackson, like horror movie shot where they like follow the fucking arrow across the whole across the whole battle and it fucking or like over the bridge, right? That's where it is. And it fucking gets him in the head. That shit was dope. But Deadeye with that fucking arrow. Who do you think is better with the bow or arrow, man? Legolas or Hawkeye?

SPEAKER_04 39:14

Legolas.

SPEAKER_00 39:15

I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_04 39:16

It's all magical.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

That's true, but it's more than that. Because the guy's like uh could be what like he's young, so he's what, like 180, 200 years old. Yeah, he's cracked though. He's so good. He's so fucking cracked.

SPEAKER_04 39:28

All right, but I think the meat and potatoes of this episode would be how it relates to the 21st century, which we've talked about. We've we've broached a little bit. Yeah, we've broached with how you know maybe it brought us back together after 9-11. And I could I I definitely see what you were saying there. Bro, talk about a fucking family movie, bro. Yeah, but even 25 years removed, I think we have the haunting after effects, I think.

SPEAKER_00 39:56

Yes. I'm with you there. Because here we are 25 years later, right? And the worst people in the world saw that shit 25 years ago. They were like, yeah, it actually would be cool to have the power to see everything all the time that corrupts me to be evil.

SPEAKER_04 40:15

Yeah, it's such a surveillance state movie. In a way, I didn't expect it to be.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

I I mean, it is interesting in that way that like it's not just a survey, you know, it's also about spies, but also, you know, which fit into the surveillance state. Yes, you but also about torture, which was like, you know, prescient for the war on terror, yeah, in a way. Talks about fucking genocide. You know, exactly, yeah. The you know the wiping out of the doors, uh when Gimli was uh seeing that shit. Yeah. Um, and you know, the you know, yeah, a type of colonization of the mind, right? Of fucking Saruman taking over these fucking creatures and like um you know, or maybe even worse, like these drone kind of mind slaves, you know, where he's like making a robot army, if you will. Like, you know, I think that you know, Elon Musk would love to have like robot orcs, you know.

SPEAKER_04 41:25

I yeah, exactly. And can I make the sort of in parentheses galaxy-brained opinion? Uh, you know, I say that sarcastically, of course, with the ring being the phone in your pocket, trying to corrupt your mind and make you evil. You said it, partner.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

And what happens whenever you put on the ring, you disappear from the real world and into a gray space. Yeah, a gray space where only the wraiths can see you, bro. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 42:01

Is the ring the red pill? Yo, yes, dude.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

Making look, you might have been joking, but yes. I mean, honestly. Right? Like, because that is what these fucking guys think they're doing, right? They think they are assuming some sort of power by taking that red pill. They think they're putting on the fucking Sauron's ring, but what do we know about the ring? It is gonna corrupt your ass, probably. It's only for the fucking nastiest devil of all time, Sauron. And if anybody else puts it on, all it's gonna do is turn you into a fucking computer fucking gecko that got dried out in the sun that gets voiced by the nastiest fucking guy you ever saw in your life. Andy Circus, I'm sure, is a fine man, but the way he talks in that movie makes me want to fucking die. I'm so glad there's no Gollum in this. Yo, I hate it, dude. No, oh no, I hate this little worm of a man named Gollum.

SPEAKER_04 43:12

I do love how Gollum, I think this was an extended edition scene, but I do love how you only you barely hear him, and it's just Boromir going, Gollum's been following us. And it's like, who's Gollum, bro? Like, if you hadn't seen the next two movies, you're just like, who the hell's Gollum?

SPEAKER_00 43:28

Well, my boy Gandalf had mentioned him earlier, too. That is true, that's true. Um, but then like, you know, we also heard him screaming out fucking god, dude. I was disgusted.

SPEAKER_04 43:48

Oh you know what's I just realized? I've watched this movie on a charter bus twice.

SPEAKER_00 43:54

You gotta fucking chill on these charter bus rides, both times to Kentucky. Well, what's going on? Was there a special, like was it the same camp?

SPEAKER_04 44:02

No, one time it was a church trip, one time it was a college trip. Oh, damn.

SPEAKER_00 44:09

And I was like, that's such a good bus movie. Yeah, no shit, man. Look, a movie about traveling, while you're traveling, I mean, what could be finer, right? There's nothing like it. Come on.

SPEAKER_04 44:21

No, the movie unfortunately is so prescient to the 21st century in so many ways. Surveillance state, the red pill, Gestapos, all of it.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

All of it. We got all the good, all of our favorite things from the movie. All the stuff that made us feel good after 9-11. Maddening. No, it's absolutely disgusting, right? I mean. To think, to think, to think that a class of nerd has taken over our fucking world to the point where we have multi-billion dollar valuations for defense contractor ass information companies named Palantir, AI companies, what's the other one? The fucking Andoril. You know, there's multiple fucking Lord of the Rings named fucking defense contractors now. And if that doesn't show you the fucking perversion of the ring right there, I don't know what would.

SPEAKER_04 45:19

And you know, I read this article four or five years ago. I sort of just waved it off because I wasn't sure. But I remember the article was about how the Lord it was a Lord of the Rings to the alt-right pipeline. Like young men. And I don't know if that was the religious aspects and undertone of the film because J.R. Tolkien was a devout Christian.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Sure. Um I think what you what the kind of the bend is, right, is that like you see immigrants as Saruman's orcs. Right. And that's kind of like writes the fucking the tale for you right there. You see yourself as some sort of vanguard protecting the Shire uh against the rising horde. Um being controlled by a g by an outside force. You know, um, which a lot of people, you know, think about different conspiracies. Um you know, the reading is definitely there, right? Yeah. Which is, you know, unfortunate. But also, you know, it I choose not to see it that way, right? And that like that could very well have been like what was in the very back subconscious of J. R.R. Tolkien's mind when he was like writing some of this stuff.

SPEAKER_04 46:57

But well, I think a lot of it was World War I trauma for him, or two, whichever one. Probably one, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:07

Um but yeah, no, Lord of the Ring just and I did also, but also I do think that it does a good job of um the message of so what I think counteracts the alt-right narrative of that is Brotherhood. Well, because you can you could kind of spin that either way. What I think is different is that it isn't like like you said, brotherhood. I think it's a little broader. It's not a fascistic movement that defeats the horde. Right? It's not that they were uh they purely rose a larger army, they were able to make everyone hate the orcs, they were, you know, it wasn't like a pure, you know, fascist sort of movement that defeats the orcs. So if you are seeing yourself as the fellowship or like on the side of the fellowship and moving towards a fascist ideology, I mean it's literally, but the smallest the you know guys who make sure the world gets saved.

SPEAKER_04 48:22

The meek.

SPEAKER_00 48:23

The meek and shall inherit the earth, that like what I like about the fellowship, right, is that like the fucking first thing that my guy, the fucking heir to the throne of Gondor, says after dope ass scene for me, seeing Frodo being like, fuck, I'll take it. Yeah, fine, I'll take the shit. Um, you know, then my guy Air Gorn walks up, is like, I'll give my fucking life and my death for you, my bro. Yeah, you know, I was like, we had a guy sit here just shocked to see you were fucking alive. You know, that like this is a guy who is legend. And he's like, me and this hobbit are fucking the same. Yeah, one-one. And that's what truly does defeat not immigration, right? Because that's not that's just a easy fucking casting of like what you decide is evil, right? I mean, it's good versus evil is the movie, and on the side of good is a multinational, multi-ethnic band of former enemies who have put to aside their differences to unite against like world destruction. If anything, it's like, you know, the clo a closer thing would be like, let's figure out how to defeat climate change, right? Like, yeah, like orcs are fucking to me like carbon uh dioxide and monoxide particles in the atmosphere.

SPEAKER_04 50:10

Whatever you want to cast an orc as too is also a little bit about the climate in even the second movie, a little bit because there's a scene in the extended edition of Two Towers where Mary and Pippin, they're they're like, Can we please have something to drink? And the orcs give them like this nasty, nasty black sludge. And it's like they're not pure, they're not, they're like ruining stuff that's supposed to be natural.

SPEAKER_00 50:41

Right, they're corrupting, dude. They're like fucking that shit in Ferngully.

SPEAKER_04 50:44

Yeah, and then and then Mary and Pippin in the extended editions get clean water and they're like regular sized for a minute. Yo, they're just like regular sized humans, so it is supposed to be like the earth, like and it's natural, like the things that inhabit it naturally are healing and pure. Right, yeah. So, I mean, there is a little bit about you know the climate, even in even in that.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

It wasn't too long after when my man Tolkien, A, you have to see, I mean World War I, like you said, the trauma, I mean, literally drastically changed the landscape of your those European countries as well, right? The fucking just war of attrition with just mad machine gun mud, fucking metal, bow down, dig in trenches. It was a like massive fucking uh earth-moving project at the same time. So like you're like raising the earth to have this war, and you know, seeing that also is like an you know it's interesting to bring it back to the you know to the modern time, right? Because it's just like it's interesting that it's always been happening this way, right? We make these fucking we ruin everything for the uh like the the great fucking reward of having a war.

SPEAKER_04 52:18

And how does that speak to today? How does that speak to even this week?

SPEAKER_00 52:24

It couldn't what kind of fucking coward ass president gets fucking on TV at 2.30 in the morning, like bro, yeah, disgusting. Anyway, anyway, but no, it's what I do enjoy about the film is that like it does a great job of embracing the what uh individual's responsibility is, um, and what a collective's kind of responsibility is at the same time, right? I think that's like you know, I think those are both important facets of life, right? You have to like sometimes you gotta do like hard shit that you don't want to do, but it's for the greater good. And like you honestly, if it's for the greater good, there's no way you can do it by yourself. So you have to be able to fucking share that load. So it's interesting, the balance, and like it is beautiful, you know. It just like very interesting how the the elf kind of forest, I like the vibe of that place. Um Caladriel, tight fucking character, ring bearer of the elves.

SPEAKER_04 53:47

Yeah. Also, just aside from it all, the action set pieces were just the sickest thing you've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00 53:53

They were dope, they were dope, dope, dope. Dude, after Ballrog and shit.

SPEAKER_04 53:57

Dude, uh Minds of Moria, all that, just like the most, like some of the most fun I've had watching an action set piece in a long time.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

No, I mean, very well, you know, blocked and choreographed, and like, you know, the timeline and the geography of everything was like super awesome as well. Like you all always had a good idea of like who was where and what was happening. And no, I really enjoyed that aspect of it as well. And then like, you know, had some classic fucking, you know, oh no, our boy Frodo got stabbed by the fucking bad guy. Oh shit, my man's got the mithril on. What wouldn't you give to have mithril? If I had mithril fucking chainmail, dog, I'd be I'd be acting a fool. I'd be acting an absolute ass. I'd be making a fool of me and you and God by what I would be saying. I'd be talking crazy to people. Try and shoot me, try and kill me. I dare you, bro. Uh-oh. Bounce off my mithril. Fucking nice try, dog.

SPEAKER_04 55:10

It's like that, uh, it's like that Bill Burr bit where he was talking about uh, you know, about it being, of course, you know, socially unacceptable and like, you know, morally unacceptable to hit women.

SPEAKER_05 55:21

He goes, You know how big of an asshole I'd be if it was socially unacceptable to hit me.

SPEAKER_04 55:27

He said, just walking up to some meat head knocking his protein shake out of his hand. That's what I'd be doing if I had mithril.

SPEAKER_00 55:34

Absolutely, absolutely. Uh yeah, dude. Take a cop's gun, dude. You're fine. You got mithril on.

SPEAKER_04 55:45

Bro, yeah, shoot me nine times in the back. See what happens. Because I'm slapping you and I'm running.

SPEAKER_00 55:50

Yeah, dude. Bye-bye, Baldy.

SPEAKER_05 55:54

Bye-bye. Running right into the donut shop.

SPEAKER_04 55:57

I don't know why I'm doing damn uh damn uh.

SPEAKER_05 56:04

I'm I got mithril on, okay? I got my mithril on. It's a little tight. I don't mind it. It's just a little tight. I had some subway sandwiches earlier. It's a little tighter than normal, but it doesn't matter. It can't break. You think God, that's called security. A knife can't pierce it, but my fat's gonna bust it.

SPEAKER_00 56:35

Deal, dude.

SPEAKER_05 56:36

Put on as much weight as you want. Mithril's got you looking anemic.

SPEAKER_00 56:43

Give him Kardashian wishes she could get these going with the specks and the things.

SPEAKER_04 56:49

One of my favorite impressions to do. Dude.

SPEAKER_05 56:52

He's fun to impersonate. He's done something. He's fun to impersonate, man. We should put him in Lord of the Rings. Dude, I'm out here. This mountain's cold. Dude, why is there a ball rock? We're going through the mines of Moria.

SPEAKER_00 57:05

I thought the mountains were misty, but this is crazy.

SPEAKER_05 57:11

He goes, we're going through the mines of Moria for what? To save a half hour? What are we doing? We lost Gandalf. When are we gonna see him again?

SPEAKER_00 57:19

I'm gonna take the Long Island Tunnel.

SPEAKER_04 57:24

You ain't for the crackers. That was supposed to get us to the next two movies. Imagine Menescalco is gimbly. Let me look into your eyes one more time, fair lady.

SPEAKER_03 57:42

Tree hair.

SPEAKER_04 57:48

I swear to God, this ring's making me go crazy. I got this ring in my soup pocket. All of a sudden, all of a sudden, I want to kill my uncle.

SPEAKER_00 57:59

I thought I had the thing locked up. All of a sudden, it's trying to kill itself in the mirror. It's trying to drown itself in a pond.

SPEAKER_04 58:06

I'm trying to celebrate my uncle's birthday. All of a sudden, I got this ring in my pocket. And I got this little anaemic little goblin chasing after me for the next three years. What's going on? Now I'm up on this mountain. I'm up by a volcano. I gotta throw this goblin into the volcano to chase after the ring. I got the little sandwiches following. Okay. I can do it for a little dude.

SPEAKER_00 58:34

All of a sudden, now I'm in a forest. And I'm not even talking, I'm not even on the ground. I'm walking on the I'm walking on big leaves.

SPEAKER_05 58:44

Dude, all of a sudden, one moment I'm on a I'm on an icy mountain covered in snow. Next moment I'm near a volcano. This is how you get pneumonia.

SPEAKER_04 58:58

It's the dumbest.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

I said, Who are you, my wife?

SPEAKER_04 59:19

Dude, we're all trying to get some sleep. I can't sleep because I got this damn ring in my pocket. Haven't gotten sleep in two weeks. All of a sudden, Steven Tyler's daughter turns into a scary ghost elf. All right, all right, all right. Great movie.

SPEAKER_00 59:36

Borderline Perfect. I'm feeling like a million dollars. I got my okay. But by the way, if Peter Jackson, please pay us money for that idea, because you would make a million dollars if you just went back and redid just a couple of the scenes.

SPEAKER_04 59:54

And we know you love updating footage.

SPEAKER_00 59:57

Bro. You did it with Get Back, you did it with You got the new one coming out, right? He helped out with the some other documentary.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:04

He helped out with another Beatles Doc. And he he did the uh They Shall Not Grow Old, the World War I documentary about the British soldiers. Yes. You love redoing old footage. Just put Sebastian Manoscalco in there.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:18

Just hook him up.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:20

It'd be so much fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

Who invited the Geiko Gecko? This guy's trying to pickpocket me at every turn.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:31

30 minutes ago, this guy was gray. Now what? He's blind and white.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:34

What's going on? He's switching up personalities more than my wife.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:40

He's got the Palantir. Oh, my wife's got one of those. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:47

Okay. Higher, lower, perfect spot. I don't know. I think it probably could go higher. I think it'd go much higher, considering some of the movies we have coming up. Yeah. I think it could go much, much, much, much higher.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

Because I do, I don't think the film, no, I do find it to be very well made. I do think it, you know, it carries, uh, like you said, it fucking clips well. It has it balances all the tone stuff that I think probably comes from Peter Jackson's history in directing horror comedy. Um, you know, I think that it's like hella star-making performances. I mean, so glad I got to see Vigo Mortensen and fucking uh history of violence because his star blew up after this.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:36

Um I will say this though, about higher lower perfect spot. We always ask if we don't think it belongs on the list, which clearly there's not an argument that can be made that this wouldn't be on the list, but we often ask if there's a movie it could be replaced with I am partial to the two towers, if not only for that scene where Frodo says, or when Samwise is going like, This has to be worth something.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

Oh no, I mean that's a beautiful scene for sure. I just that's and I think that Gollum is, you know, the full like integration of Gollum into the story in that part, um, you know, is also like iconic, right? We had so many people using the phrase my precious, and like, you know, it was like a big, you know, it's a catchphrase, it's cultural.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:27

Yeah, and yeah, I mean, I know you mentioned about it being sort of like very early post-9-11 thing, about it, you know, shooting the a fantasy thing, you know, sort of to the head. But I honestly like I've never had because we live in a fantasy world, right? Right. We live, you know, in fictitious times and we have a fictitious president. Uh, you know, uh, I don't no one's ever said that to much chagrin. But um, no, uh the this is the one time I'd make the argument that and I know we talked about it earlier, but I do me personally, I think it should have been an 88A, B and C situation. I think all three movies should have been on the list.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:11

All right. I mean, I'm not gonna fight you about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:14

No, and I'm not I'm not looking for one. I just and I do see the why Return of the King then. Huh?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:19

Well well and why Return of the King? Just to complete the arc?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:22

Yeah, just to complete the arc, I think, in 88A, B and C, but also I see if we're just relaying it to the 21st century, unfortunately, Fellowship and Two Towers are the ones we're in. Yeah. And Return of the King hopefully is the one we're in soon. Yeah. But I think just that one to give hope to the 21st century. But that's just me thinking a new hope? Yeah, a new hope, yeah. Uh, but yeah, that's just me being a little heady about list making and what list making can mean, and that's just not.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:50

I love list making, but now you're also making sublists, right? Now we're got like you know, now we're making an outline. You know, we got fucking sub A's and B's. Yeah, but no, I think this movie could be what would be number one underneath 88A, like your favorite scene.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:10

My favorite, like Lord of the Rings movie?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:11

No, your favorite scene. Um we have 88, the Lord of the Rings franchise. Okay. 88A, the Fellowship of the Rings. One. Your favorite scene.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:27

Oh, my favorite scene and fellowship. Yeah. You know a scene that I really enjoy. It might not be my favorite scene, but it's the one that came to mind was when they were all getting gifts before leaving at the end. No, I thought that I liked it a lot. And Gimli just asked to stare into her eyes one more time.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:45

I know. I was like, dude, this guy's such a fucking weird little romantic. It's cute. I loved it. Um, but my favorite scene? When Saruman makes that first orc man, and he's just like explaining for some reason the fucking history of the orcman to the orc man. I also for 5,000 years. Like, what the fuck are you telling him? No shit, he's a fucking orc man.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:16

I really enjoyed, I really, I really enjoyed the scene where uh Saruman had Gandalf spinning on his head.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:23

Oh, dude. I love that part too. I mean, Saruman just like stuck up on that. I mean, my man Gandalf stuck on top of that fucking building, also was hilarious. He's like just running around like, fuck, is there a ladder over here? Fuck.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:37

But yeah, no, I mean it's just it's just looking out like, damn, it looks shitty over there. It's ri it's riddled with great with great scenes.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:45

But no, yeah, no, that's but that's I just also I will say my Saruman's like explaining that history to the fucking guy he just created out of the muck. It's so great.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:56

Because I will say, I think the scene I I I I really did enjoy a lot, was went was was the one I made like I'm trying to get some sleep and all of a sudden Steven Tyler's daughters turn into a scary version of herself. Is uh I did really enjoy that when she's when she's doing the whole scary give me the ring thing and it turned out to be a test. I really, really enjoyed that scene because I hadn't seen the movie in so many years.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:24

I forgot that that wasn't Oh, not Arwen, Galadriel at the end, the ring bearer.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:29

When she when when Frodo's like, yo, I don't even want this thing, you take this fucking thing. Yeah. And she's like, you offer it to me. A, which like proves that fucking the boy Frodo is pure of heart. Right. Right. He's like, I don't even want this fucking thing that would give me ultimate power.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:48

And I will say, unfortunately, my f I I one of my favorite scenes, I feel like one of the most powerful scenes in the novel is when Gimli learns that if people have been slaughtered and genocided. Right. Um one of the most powerful scenes in the novel, and it ends a chapter, but in the movie it leads right into honestly, one of the best set pieces in cinema with the minds of Moria and all that and the ballrog and all that stuff. But I do wish that I I do wish that scene would have had a little more like prolonged wait, but the movie's three and a half hours. So let's keep that.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:27

I mean, yeah. It was you gotta keep it balanced, right? You also don't want to get too maudlin. Right. Right? You don't want to linger on it too much because then the stakes get too fucking deep, and you already are trying to keep stakes. You wanna because you you're trying to make that fucking Gandalf moment hit as hard as possible. So you're trying to like balance what you're doing here. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:53

What uh what department in film do you think voted for this to be on a list?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:58

Probably the fucking smokers, jokers, and the midnight jokers. Steve Miller fans, Steve Miller fans, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:07

I'm a joker, I'm a smoker, I'm a pipe weed smoker, I play my music in the shop.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:18

Dude, we're fucking locked in. That was crazy, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:21

We're locked in right now, dog. Yeah, I'd say, I'd say, I mean, it would it would have to be everybody. It'd be directors, composed. No, that's what I mean. It's like it's just it was just such an undertaking. It was everybody voted for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:32

It seems like, you know, yeah. And the cast like loves each other, right? Seems like it was a good work environment, even if it was long, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:43

It could have been the it could have been the actors being like, let's get our president in and one. Yeah. Because uh Sam Wise is the uh president of SAG now.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't even think he's is he still? I don't even think he is still.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:56

I think he is, yeah. Because he took over for um for Fran? For Fran. So yeah, that was pretty recent. He got elected to that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:04

Sean damn Aston. Oh yeah, he got fucking worked on Stranger Things, dude. He got walloped in a mall, I think, if I remember correctly. Not a good way to go. Yeah. But yeah, that's been the Lord of the Rings episode of the pod. Lord of the Rings, Fellowship of the Ring.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:24

What's our next episode, brother? A24's 2022 film. Well, let's Past Lives? Let's let's start it over. Celine Songs. Celine Song. 2022 or 3 film Past Lives. You ever seen Past Lives, Cyrus?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:46

I've not seen Past Lives.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:47

The first half of Past Lives.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:49

I'll tell you one thing. My power went out halfway through, so I never finished it. Sad. Um, I've never seen Past Lives, but I am on the wheel of birth and death. So I've had past lives. Getting a little too heady for my taste. Oh, sorry, I hit the penjamin a couple extra times. I can tell. And pipe weed is uh hopefully it's Gandalf quality.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:14

I think it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:16

Imagine Gandalf with the pen. Dude, he does have one. He just prefers flour.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:24

Gandalf's like, bro, he pulls out some edibles, bro. You eat this, you're gonna see tomorrow, today. And they're like, dude, we gotta he goes, nah, we can get to it tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:35

Like that light in the darkness that he was shining was him taking a draw off his fucking Benjamin.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:43

He was hitting a blinker. Absolutely. You see the light, then it goes off.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:49

You just hear dude, and that that's how the ballrog caught him. She couldn't catch the cough and the ballrog hurt their asses.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:59

Oh, oh, this this will be this will be I I do want to wrap up, Sue, but this will be fun. Did you hear that? Um I think uh the Beatles really wanted to play like the four like they really and they wanted um, who was it?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:17

Nemoy? Huh? They wanted someone to direct. Oh, they wanted somebody old-timey?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:24

Yeah, they wanted um, hold on. I'm looking this up real quick.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:28

David Lean? It wasn't David Lean, it was like a very Was it the guy who did RJ's night?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:37

No, it was it was somebody you'll be like, oh yeah. That'd be crazy, but it w hold on. The Beatles. The Beatles. Lord of the Rings movie. They want to get the in the late 1960s. Shut the hell up, right now. In the late 1960s, the Beatles attempted to produce and star in a live-action Lord of the Rings film with plans for John Lennon as Gollum, appropriate, Paul McCartney as Frodo, George Harrison as Gandalf, and Ringo Star as Sam, appropriate. Yeah. They approached Stanley Kubrick to direct, but the project was rejected by author J.R. Tolkien, who disliked the idea of a pop group adapting his work.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:27

Back when people fucking didn't just accept the paycheck.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:31

Dude, I'm telling you, the worst thing you've said it, but the worst things that we've done as society is reject the idea that selling out is bad. Or that selling out is good.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:42

Yeah, the loss of the taboo of selling out, man, is fucking crazy now. But like my man J.R. Tolkien's like, I'll have to die before first and then let it pass on or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:58

The Beatles also considered other directors, including Michelangelo and Tionione and Richard Lester.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:05

Richard Lester's the guy who did A Hard Day's Night.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:08

Yeah, exactly. Honestly, like I would, I'm not saying that would have been good, but I would love to go to the timeline where it happened because it would be something I'd enjoy.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:20

What did Peter Jackson make instead then in that timeline?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:24

A Hard Day's Night.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:27

Ooh, remake?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:29

Yeah, remake. He did a Hard Day's Night remake with One Direction before they were born. Hey, it's an alternate timeline. Nothing makes sense. That's true, that's true, that's true, that's true. Don't fact check me on an alternate timeline.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:43

I'm asking clarifying questions.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:46

You can't clarify in an alternate timeline.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:50

All right, let's wrap this up for these films.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:52

Yeah, let's wrap it up. We've been going for a while, just like the movie. That's you know, last week we did a short, clippy, breezy episode just like Gleaner's was.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:01

Yeah, and now you got film pod extended edition.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:03

Yeah, you got the extended edition film pod. But yes, that has been Lord of the Rings. What a movie. Next week, Celine Songs, Past Lives.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:15

Also, come to the Toledo Street Comedy Festival. Where we were supposed to I'm just I'm not gonna do that. Um where we are having a live show with a special guest to be named soon. And if you are one of those comedians who's checking out our podcast uh and has made it this far into the episode to see if you would like to be on our podcast, clearly you do because you like this far.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:46

So if you do listen far.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:48

Yeah, come on. What the fuck? If you're not and you did listen this far, shout out to you because you're a real one. And you should look up this video that we had on in the background this whole time that was called Lord of the Rings, the Shire Ambiance and Music, three hours. Um from the account The Beauty of Middle-earth. Um 4.4 million views uploaded two years ago. Go watch that because you're a real one and you deserve to go hang out in the Shire for a little while, like we did. This might be the video I put over the uh audio. Nice. Is it fair use at that point? Probably. Sounds fair to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:31

Either way, either way, this has been Film Pod. I'm Michael Jennings. I'm Cyrus Cooper. Wait, wait, wait, wait a second.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:39

Anyway, we gotta redo it.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:41

I'm Michael Jennings. I'm Cyrus Cooper, and this has been Film Pod.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:46

We out.