Prom Queens & Bridal Dreams

Prom season and wedding season are full of beautiful hair, big emotions, tight timelines, and a little salon chaos. In this episode, we’re talking all things formal styling.. what clients should do before their appointment, what not to do on the day of, how to prepare for prom or bridal hair, and the little things that can make or break the final look.

We also get into salon event etiquette, realistic expectations, inspo photos, clean versus “too clean” hair, extensions, veils, accessories, timing, and why communication matters so much before a big day.

Then we wrap it up with AITA: Salon Edition, where we judge some formal-hair drama and decide who’s really in the wrong.

Transcript

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Welcome back, everyone. You're listening to Untangle It All with Ella, Emily, and Sam.

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The podcast where the salon tea is hot. The clients are iconic.

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And nothing is off limits. Let's dive in. Hi. Hi. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello.

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How are we all?

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Good. The sun is out. The sun is out. It's shining. I know. It's nice. Can I get the cover on the pool so it'll start heating?

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Yes. Then my kids can stop asking if your pool is ready. Well, it is ready. It's just cold.

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It's still at 19 degrees though, so it hasn't gotten any colder.

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Well, that's fair.

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So we've got a good amount of rain. My aunt would swim in night. She has a pool and she'll swim in 19 degrees. I would swim in that. I don't care.

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If it's hot enough, it's gonna feel nice and refreshing. Yeah. We'll go with that.

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Just gotta get all that dandelion shit off it. Yeah. Like the little white fluffs.

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Yeah. How was everyone's week? Good.

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Great. My first full week, mind visaline. So if I have a lisp, nobody just don't mind me.

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Little lisp.

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Just forget about me.

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Mine was also good. Not so eventful. It was a busier week this week. It was busy. I think gave a preview to summer. I liked it. Yeah. It made me remember it's like all hands on deck all summer. Yeah.

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Everyone's chopping their hair off and full force. I don't.

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We did so many like big chops fan little girls, like Bob's. Emily did the cutest one. Like it looks like she wanted like to her chin and it was like halfway down her back. It was so cute. Yeah.

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And she did really nice layers in it so it was nice and textured.

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Yeah. And then I got Amanda to help me finish mine because otherwise the wasn't going to get finished.

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That happens. That does happen sometimes.

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She would just not stop moving. And like she was old enough to know not to. And that's the point, like even when Amanda was there, like Amanda would just be about to cut and she'd be like, ha ha, and like move her head and laugh. And I'm like, oh.

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It's so hard.

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I had a guy today and he had to be in his 50s or 60s and he wouldn't stop moving. Every time I comb one side or go up with the clippers, he'd turn to that side to like look at me. Yeah. And then he'd turn the other way. And it's like his head was on a swivel. It kept going back and forth.

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Was that the guy who like didn't know what he wanted? Yes. He was like, I didn't know.

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Oh my god, it was so annoying. I'm like, what? So what are we doing today? I don't know. I don't he literally his answer was I don't know for everything, or like and his voice was monotone.

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Yes. And he didn't talk any louder than that.

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The very first time I asked him a question, he's like, Well, I don't know, dear. And I'm like, here we go. Here we go.

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Which is so frustrating. And like sometimes. I know. Sometimes adults are worse than top three.

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Yes. I literally went back to Monica after I did that five-year-old girl's hair. And I was like the 11-month-old who just got his first haircut sat better than she just did.

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Yeah, that 11-month-old did so good. And they were twins, and the boy and girl, and the little girl was sitting. So the day I was getting his haircut, and then Sam knows the dad. I don't want to say the name on here, but he comes in and had twins.

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Oh yeah, they're so cute.

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They're so cute.

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Yeah. Cute. And so he was getting a haircut. So mom was holding the baby boy. He was getting his first haircut, but brought over the baby girl too. Yeah. But like unbuckled her harness because she was getting sour in her seat. Yeah. So she kept squirming her way out and she was like basically on the floor. So I think it was like two or three times during the haircut. I was like to the mom, like, Do you mind if I just like push it back up? She's like, No, please do. And I go over as soon as I go like this, like push it back up. The arms would come out. She wanted more to take her out.

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That's so cute.

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They were so cute. Do they look like him?

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Or a good mix of both?

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Good mix of both. Yeah, they look alike. Yeah. I know they're twins, but like usually when it's boy and girls, sometimes like you don't always see it. They look alike. Yeah, they do. Yeah.

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Usually boy and girl twins, they're always fraternal.

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Yeah. What's that mean? Not identical? Yeah.

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These are not identical, yeah.

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And I I always ask, I was like, Do you want to keep some hair? And they're like, Yeah. So I got to put in a little envelope.

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Yeah. Some people, it's funny because like you'll say, Oh, do you want to keep like a little first clip of their hair? Some people are weird out and they're like, uh, no.

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Yeah. But they're like, yeah. And so I wrote his name and I was like, first haircut. She's like, thank you so much.

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Yeah, I think it's so cute.

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Yeah. I don't even know if I saved one for Nolan. If I did, I don't know where it is. Brady's, I think it's at Ryan's. And the only reason is because we have a little train for like first tooth, first hair, something. See now for me, teeth. No.

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I find that gross.

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I don't know if I have a tooth in there. I doubt it. Because the tooth fairy takes it. So, like, why would I have it? Exactly. The tooth.

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Exactly.

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I saw my birth certificate. Oh my god, hello words.

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I saw my birth certificate for the first time. It's over there. I just looking at it because I have to go with my passport picture done. I was like, oh my god, mom, let me see that. I'm like, why was it only issued in 2015? She's like, because I didn't I didn't get it.

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I didn't get one. They don't well when we when me and Sam were born, our parents got them automatically, but they changed that. And you have to pay. They pay for it. Yeah, so mine wasn't issued until 2015. You get a letter in the mail with their social insurance number on it. It's wild.

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I literally, whenever I was little, like I'm sure you probably have a card.

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Yeah. Mine's a laminated piece of paper, my birth certificate. Oh, like your social, yeah, it's a white card. Numbers. Mine looks like that too. Yeah. Oh yeah, they stopped by the time me and Sam had kids. No, they send you a letter in the mail.

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So I had to write all their numbers on my phone because I was like, uh I have all my that stuff.

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Like in I'm not gonna say where I have it actually.

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Yeah. Speaking of like birth certificates. Speaking of birth certificates and stuff. Sorry, I want to see that movie because it was on the drive-in.

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She has a TV on again. Every time we record, she puts the ball game on and then she squirrels. And then I'm trying to edit, and it's like Ella. Yeah. Okay, never mind. Turn it off. Um, no, the ballgame. Speaking of birth certificates. What's more important?

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That's what the ball game. The ball game. Just kidding. I'm just pranking you guys. Um, so how it's like the little laminated thing. Yeah. When my grandfather died, I found his in like when we were like cleaning out, and I asked Nana if I could keep it, so I have his birth certificate. Do they give you a death certificate? Yes. Actually, yes, yes.

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But you gotta like it for proof. Yeah, they give you a proof, you're an original, and then you can get copies and you can notarize them if you need to be. Oh, you can what? Notarize them. It means you go see a like a lawyer or somebody who can give it out and they stamp it.

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Because like if you want to close, like say your bank accounts and like all these other things, you literally need that death certificate. They need the proof of death.

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Damn.

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Yeah, because when Chad's father passed away, um he was given. I was like, oh, oh, that's kind of creepy a little bit.

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When I worked at Invesco, we had to get death certificates all the time to close their investment accounts.

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Yes.

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Those death certificates go into great detail about how the people died.

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Oh, really?

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The sh the stuff that I've seen. Oh god. And even when I go and look up my family's like family tree and see their death certificates, same thing. Like I had a family member who it says struck by train. And when I looked into it, he was walking on the train tracks and was hit by a train.

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How do you look that up?

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On ancestry.com is what I use.

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Cool. I actually kind of want to do that mine. It's super cool. And she might have got quick fire into it. Oh yeah. There might have been a little interesting.

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A little surprise child in there?

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Well, not a surprise child, but maybe a surprise different parent.

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Oh. Well, that'll on that'll do it, especially the DNA test.

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Well, that's what happened. Somebody came up higher than they should have. Which I didn't really understand at all. And then when she broke it all down, I was like, oh my goodness.

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See, I'd love to do the DNA test. I haven't, and I really want to. They go on jail quite often. Yeah. I should next time. I do the I dude. I do the family tree. I dude it.

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Yeah.

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I do the like family trees online, but I've not done the DNA yet, but I'd love to. Oh, do the DNA. I know, I really want to.

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Oh, yellow.

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Okay.

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Yeah. It's quite interesting. Anyway. Yeah.

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Are we mentally prepared for prom and wedding season, ladies? No, because I suck it up, dudes.

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I do. I I don't like I like the prep work of it. I don't like the pinning and all the other stuff. It stresses me out and I don't like that part.

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That's fair. I got about 12 bypins in the back of my head right now.

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I really, really want to be good at it, and I keep saying I'm gonna ask the owner of the hair school if I can borrow a mannequin for the summer, which I should well do mannequins at work. Do they have long hair though? I guess I don't need I just I really want to practice updos.

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There's a de there's some with decent. You should practice because in August we have three coming in at eight o'clock in the morning for our wedding updo.

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So yeah. Do you have your mannequins from school? I left mine at the last salon I worked at. I have two in my closet. I'll take a peek for you. Okay, yes.

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If they're a good enough length to practice updos, I will because that's something I want to get. It is something I want to get better at.

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I think I just kind of like over guess everything and kind of or not over guess, second guess myself on it and like, mmm, I don't know.

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Mine is I struggle with pinning.

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Do you know what? I actually seen a really cool pinning trick. So you take your two bobby pins, take an elastic, yeah, and that's gonna be your anchor.

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Yeah, I saw that too, but I s I struggle and I took an updo class as well. Did you? But I took an updo class when I was new, like I was still a June. I don't even know if I was out of school because it was my OJT. Um and I just find now taking classes this point in my career, things stick. Yeah. When you're so new, you you can only take a small amount from classes.

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Yeah, well, and you feel like you don't really know enough. So now that you probably know a lot more.

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Yes, you pick up more. So I would love to do it again.

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But yes, it's like you can do it on mannequins, but it's so different on a human head. I agree. I love doing optus.

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But I think with the mannequin it would really help me practice my pinning. Yeah, but I agree. It is still pinning still will be different on a hundred percent a human, but like and like teasing and how to sleek it out again. Yeah, there's a lot I gotta practice. So long answer to Ella's question. I well I'm not surviving. I'm not ready.

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I am, but I've done like I don't know, uh, before I started doing hair, like I always had mannequins and I would just play with them and I like taught myself how to braid and all this stuff, and I just always liked looking up updos and I try to do things like when I had longer hair, I would try to do them on myself. I do them on excuse me, like family members, and I have friend my age, like she's married, and I knew her quite quite well, like when school together, so like I've practiced updos on her for her wedding. And we have prom coming up. I did a prom updo last year. I have one booked for next Friday, I think.

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Yeah, we don't really typically get a whole lot because I find people will either just go to like someone's house and get someone to go there, or they'll we don't advertise for prom and stuff where other salons and I even find prom not as huge in that sense as it used to be. I feel like a lot of people just curl their hair. Well, yeah, and a lot of people really just go more out on like their dress and say like a limo rental or whatever. Yeah, like after stuff, you know what I mean?

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It's not like when we went to prom and semi getting the big updos and stuff.

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I had an updo for my prom. Did you? Yeah. But like it's one that like I could have done on myself, but like I wanted to treat myself. Yeah, it's I love that. Like I just got two braids on the side of my head into a ponytail.

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I'd love to get good at weddings because you could do real good on PEI in weddings.

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Yeah. Wow.

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And we'd have to beg to be able to go on site because you want to be able to go on site.

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That's why I was glad um it was a holiday, so I didn't have to work. And it was nice, like, yes, you get up early, but like you get to be a part of the day. Like, that's special. I did one, like, I think I did six heads of hair.

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Yeah, when I was working at Abfab, I did a couple weddings too, and I did what Sam had said. I did a lot of the prep work. Yeah, which I love that. I love it. And then the other master stylist who's really good at updos, then she'd come in and finish it and bang, bang, bang. Yeah. So fun. And then you're done by lunchtime, you get a really nice tip usually. Yeah. You know you're making a guaranteed income for that because you Yeah, I loved it. Yeah. Yeah. And usually you're going somewhere really nice, like you're going like on PEI, you're going to like resorts or these fancy like Clinton Hills and stuff. Yeah. Like I love Clinton Hills. You're going to see something beautiful and everyone's in a good mood.

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Yeah. So when do you feel like is the best time to tell someone to book for like a wedding or maybe even a prom?

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Probably as early as possible. Yeah.

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As long as like Yeah, I mean As long as salons like book that far. Ours we don't book for ahead, but the day that we had like three call-in and they need it for August and they want to come right in the morning. Our manager, Monica, she happened to be there, and she was like, Yeah, just write it down. Yeah. Because we can't book it that far, but she's like, No, just write it down. We'll do it. Because we don't get that much of it, she's like, We'll make it work.

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Yeah.

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But like for places that do book out, do it whenever you can. Like, if you know, yeah, oh, my problem is this Saturday, book it.

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Yeah, exactly. Don't leave that to the last second because then you may not get in for an appointment either.

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No, exactly.

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Also, a biggest thing that people say is for like hair prep before your appointment, they will say, Oh, come in with dirty hair. No, no, no. We want you to come in with clean hair and a clean canvas.

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If you have thick, super long hair, please have it dry.

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Yes. Um, well, you know what's interesting is this updo course that I took, it was over at Maritime Beauty in Halifax, and she said that for pretty much every single bride she has, she washes and blow dries their hair. And she requests that. Yeah. She said um if like they have a time I don't know, I can't remember what she said about the time constraint, but like she said she just gets a much better updo when she washes the hair and then blow dries in mousse and stuff. But for the bridesmaids, she advises them to wash it the night before.

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Yeah, because sometimes if say if you have like a client that had booked an appointment and they come in, their hair is like super greasy, you don't want to have to then take that time, wash it, you gotta dry it, then that takes a lot of that time out when you could have already been prepping.

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Especially if you as a client are on a time crunch.

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Yeah, and that's the thing, right?

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So because right there, depending on your hair length, right there, that's a good half an hour if you gotta dry it.

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Like she said, she but she'd have assistants working on the other people's 100%, yeah. Yeah. You want all hands on deck. But no, she said she just and she advised and said it's a much better experience.

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Yeah.

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But then in saying that too, like Oh, okay. I think that's what she said is like they may have to shower and come right down with wet hair because not everywhere has a sink that you can put them in. Yeah. Yeah. But like she like she said that it lasts better if you can blow dry in like mousse and certain styles products.

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Like I remember before I even got into the hair world, people always say, Oh, don't come in with fresh, clean hair. But then going into hairdressing, yes, please don't come in with a dirty head of hair.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So they're like, Well, your curls don't stay as well. But I guess it just depends on everyone. Like now there's dry shampoo.

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Yeah, I was saying as stylists, we know what product to use to keep the curl.

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And that's the thing, right? Yeah. So I mean, I guess depending on your hair, yeah. That's the thing. You don't want to come in with a greasy head of hair. Yeah, because then you have to be washed. Exactly. Yeah. Your hair may not look as good. Yeah, exactly. That's kind of a tough one, but I I totally like it makes it makes sense. It does.

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What trends do we think are in right now, and what trends do we think are making their way out?

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I think more simple hair is in right now.

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Me too. Like just like a nice, like curled high ponytail or a slick back ponytail. Like, I know my problem was in 2023, so that was three years ago. It was a lot of like the one or two braids on each side, like two braids here, two braids on this side, back into a ponytail, or like a braided bun. Like it was a lot to do with braids.

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I have I had a braid in the front of mine, like through here, and then half up, half down.

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Yeah. I had mine fully up. The last few weddings I've been in, I would do like the loose braid here, but uh with my hair, I always get an updo, but my updo is like a chignon or whatever, yeah, but not like a slick one. I like to have curls hanging out. Yeah. But when me and Sam would have graduated and went to prom, it was like the full-on updos where you're having curls on the hair friggin' bobby pins at the end of the night.

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I had a whole bunch I had to pull out. It took me like an hour.

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I have a picture of when I got my hair done. It was so like funny because I was like, didn't have any of my makeup on, nothing. So I just had my nice pretty hair. And then I had a picture like in my dress, and then I had a picture as mom was taking the bobby pins out and the tears rolling down my face because I had so many of my hair. Yeah. Because I got braided into braided cornrows, kind of sorta ish. Yeah, into a tight high pony and then curled. But yeah, I agree, like the simple, like even low ponytail curled with some piece face frame pieces out. Yeah, those pieces out are bec are really big right now.

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It's simple, it's cute. Yeah, yeah.

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I definitely think that's more the style this year.

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I think so too. I think the last couple years that's what I've noticed. It's people more simple.

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Yeah.

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And like if they want it up off their neck and stuff, they're not asking for anything intricate. They're just wanting a cute bun or something.

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And you know how like I never like when I have my hair up, it's like nice. But like I never realized until I was doing them how pretty you can make a ponytail look. Yeah. Like you slick it back and then you can give it volume, you can curl it. Like it can be really nice.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

Yeah, exactly. I agree.

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Um, what do you guys have for like any chaotic stories with prom? Your own or other people you may have done. Oh my god.

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I remember my prom day. It rained so hard and heavy.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 19:25

Yeah, it was awful in that sense. Because you couldn't get pictures outside at all. We all had to go indoors. We did it at my house when I lived in Summerside. It rained so much. The bottom of my dress was literally soaked. Like the whole bottom half was drenched.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

Oh no. You probably still had a time in your life though, did you?

SPEAKER_01 19:45

Oh, yeah, we had fun. It was great, but like it just sucks. Like, imagine having these like nice outdoor pictures, spending all that money. Yeah, we went at a limo. Yeah. And there was like eight of us, six of us, six or eight of us, something like that. And yeah, it rained so bad. So we have ours in May, like late May.

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Unpredictable.

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Yeah.

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I feel like there's lots of prompts on PEI that get affected by that.

SPEAKER_04 20:10

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And that's another thing. Like, that's when you can see the panic, especially for like weddings as well. Yeah. But that as you're as a hairstylist, that's when you just gotta be like, hey, look, like we can't control the weather. Yeah. But we can control your hair. Like, girl, I will give you a bag to put over your head to walk into your car. I will walk you out to your car holding that bag. Like, we will keep this. Don't worry. That's why we use so much shit in your hair and so many pins.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Like, get your umbrella and poncho. Yeah, literally.

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100%.

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My prom day was beautiful, beautiful weather. But um, we went out to breakfast in Charlatan, but we were getting our hair and makeup done up in Summerside. Yeah. Um, and then because I lived in crap, like in the middle of that point.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Yeah.

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And we there was a group of like six of us, and our makeup was awful. Like there was hardly even any on. All of us were my mom has pictures in the scrapbook of all of us doing our makeup in the car on the way home to redo our makeup. Our hair was beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

I hated my makeup too. I think I redid my makeup.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

I did my own makeup. Like, there was like hardly any, I don't know what looked like natural glam. And back then, no, there ain't no natural then in 2010. No.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

Like I literally went home and redid my makeup.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

Yeah. And I feel like you and me both have a specific look with our eyes. Yeah. Like I either have to have a cat eye or I have to have, if I don't have the cat eye, it's my eyelash is very pronounced, your eyeliner and lashes are the same. Yeah. So if they aren't, I don't care if I'm in a special event, I still need that eye look, or I'm not me.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

That'd be like me going with like no eyebrows on.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

Yeah. Like there's just certain things that we need. Yeah. Whereas people like Ella, where you're sometimes you wear makeup, sometimes you don't, you can probably get away with more of like any type of makeup. I just put I just put uh good my

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Contour and highlighter on your own. You were getting your makeup done for an event or something. Because I don't wear makeup as often and my skin's so sensitive. I'd already went full out with my dress and like for my hair. I was like, I'm just doing my own makeup. Yeah. Because I know what products I use, and that's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Exactly. Totally fair.

SPEAKER_04 22:21

What do you like? I know we've talked about pitchers and stuff, and now everything's like AI and stuff. But what kind of like inspo pick do you like for a prom pitcher? Personally, I like sometimes they'll show like the side view. I want to see the back. Me too.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

I know I hate when pitchers only show the front and don't show you the back or the sides.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Give me like a 360 view.

SPEAKER_04 22:46

Which, like for me, if I can see the back, that's where most of the work is gonna be done. That's true. And then that's when we can be like, you can ask them, what do you want for the sides? But some will like take the picture of it'll show you like one side and half the back. And I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Then you have to like put your imagination to this for the other side.

SPEAKER_04 23:06

That shows half the back, but what does the other half look like? Does it look the same? Is it fluffy or is their pieces out? That's why I'm like, if I want a picture, I want the back of the head.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

Yeah, you want to, yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 23:19

Same. And I haven't done enough weddings or proms to say what would make me say this is gonna be chaotic because I don't know. That's fair. But I'm sitting here trying to think, and like the only thing I can think it would be is if you can tell the person is super, super picky and they're gonna pick everything apart. Like if they're the type to sit there and be like, Are you gonna pull this back? Are you gonna do this, do that, and not just trust the process? Because then I'm gonna assume that in the end they're gonna pick it apart anyways, and they're gonna expect it to look identical to the picture, and that's never gonna happen. It can look really, really close, especially updos. I've seen updos look pretty dang close to the picture, but they're always gonna be a little bit different. That's art.

SPEAKER_04 23:59

I had one lady who was going to a wedding. She wasn't in it, but she still wanted an updo. Yeah. And she brought like her own like cute little like bobby pins, but they had like little flowers on the outside, and that was the only thing she brought. And she told me like what she liked with her hair, how she's like, I don't like it on my neck, but I don't want it fully up. And then she's like, and then you just do the rest. So she literally gave me like free range. She just told me she wanted like half of it up, and then she had the cute little things. The pins.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

That's what I do when I get an updo. I just say I want it up off my neck with some hair out.

SPEAKER_04 24:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

I don't care what the bun looks like. Do put it up however you want, make it tight. Yeah. Okay. Make her tight.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

Make it stay.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:45

So I don't know. I guess this one's hard to talk about then. Like prom typically you don't do prom hair trials. But like, I guess you didn't do have you done any weddings?

SPEAKER_02 24:58

Yeah, I did. We did trials with AdFed.

SPEAKER_04 25:00

I would say how many trials do you like to do before a wedding?

SPEAKER_02 25:04

If I was doing it, I would guess if the bride, yeah. Maybe even up to two. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Yeah, I'd say a couple or so. Depends, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Especially if they weren't happy with the first, and depending how far out. Yeah. But also, I remember from the updo course she said that you should always be doing it within the month.

SPEAKER_04 25:20

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

You shouldn't do it too far out.

SPEAKER_04 25:23

See, I did quite a few with the one that I did, the bride that I did, because she was very between two different styles. So the first two we did on the same day, we tried like both and we figured out which path she was liking more.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:39

Didn't do it again. Then the next time I did it, we did the full updo, but I used like products.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_04 25:45

And I just pinned like where it was loose. Like if it was loose a little bit, whatever, but I pinned it. And then I did two full, fully pin, use the products I would before the wedding.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

I did one trial, it was for one of my childhood friends. Um, and I'm really glad I did because she had a Dyson, so we thought I would just use the Dyson Airwrap, and I hated it. Oh really? Yeah. Holy shit, I hated it.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Well, and that's where you do those things.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

I ended up using my flat iron on her on the and it was what I was so glad. And yeah, she was too, she wanted the two braids into a bat into the back, and thank God they weren't like French braids or anything, because we all know how that's what we started with, and literally like a cut, it was like closer to, and we ended up doing just a nice bun.

SPEAKER_04 26:32

Yeah, like 360, yeah. Yeah, that's what you gotta do. You have to do trial and error to figure out hey, what do I want?

SPEAKER_02 26:39

That's a big day, that's big pictures. I would think also a big mistake that you can make for prom or weddings would be not having the right hairstyle for the the dress.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

Yeah, that's fair too.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

Yeah, you'd have to really get to know what looks good, what absolutely and give suggestions. No, there'd probably there'd be a whole other set of consultation questions for 100% compared to see I'd love to take another updo course, and I think I think it's such a a good skill to have, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Absolutely, because trends are always changing, there's coming out.

SPEAKER_04 27:15

Yeah, but no, the biggest thing too is like I found for myself, yes, with the product like hairspray and stuff. You don't want to make the hair look crungy. Bobby pins, if you're scared a piece is gonna fall, don't be afraid to use extra bobby pins. You hide them, it doesn't matter how many's in there.

SPEAKER_05 27:35

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 27:35

Like I had so many in my hair, I just kept finding them, but you couldn't see them, right? Like as long as you can hide them and they're not visible, if you think you need them, use them.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

Exactly. Veil or no veil for like brides.

SPEAKER_02 27:50

I like the veil. I do too. I really do. I especially like it when it goes back.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Yeah, like clipped underneath or underneath, I think.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

That is what changed the look for the bride. Yep. And it was still like day of. Yeah. Once it was in, trying to decide does it look better over top or does it look better underneath?

SPEAKER_01 28:16

That's the thing, because some brides do wear one, some don't, and that will change everything.

SPEAKER_04 28:22

100%. Yeah. Because I if I remember correctly, I think we did end up going over top because her veil was so nice that like in see through you could still see it all. Yeah. But I don't remember, but we were still like, do we want to up or under? I it was, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Cause I mean, and the overtop's nice too, but then you gotta remember, are you gonna keep that on all night? You're probably gonna want to take it out. Yeah. So if you do want to take it out, it's not gonna ruin it.

SPEAKER_04 28:51

Maybe we did do underneath now that we're talking about that.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Like, you know what I mean? Those are things that you have to keep in mind when you're doing those trial. You gotta think about them. Yep. You know, so that can make it or break it, I guess, too, right?

SPEAKER_04 29:04

I think we did do over top. Did you? Because it was low, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

Yeah. Do you guys think that what do you think about bridesmaids all having the same hair or letting bridesmaids pick what they want?

SPEAKER_04 29:18

I've never been a bride, but I think like if I'm the bride and I have like a s like a color scheme and that's and I want them like dresses and stuff for their makeup, let them do their own thing with their makeup as long as it matches like their dress. Like, say if I want their dresses to be green, please don't be doing like pink eyeshadow. But if I'm like having that kind of say with the dresses and stuff, I think their hair and makeup should be up to them.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

Yeah, I agree. I think so too, because I want them to be as comfortable as they can. Exactly. And as much as possible, I would also try to have their dresses make sure they're comfortable in their dresses too.

SPEAKER_04 29:54

Like, like I like if I have a color, like yes, I'd want it that color. Yes. But like, say if you were comfortable, say with I'm just gonna be random. Say if you want a strapless and you want a high neck, I don't really care.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

Yeah, that's why those wrap dresses are so good, I think, because you can literally have the same dress. And that I've been in two weddings with the wrap dress, and I'm totally a halter girl. I like the halter, I feel the most comfortable in halter top type. Me too. Um, yeah. Especially if it has a little bit of a neck on it.

SPEAKER_04 30:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

So yeah, I would try to make them as comfortable as possible, but I agree, color scheme, like most people do.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

I feel like that's pretty common nowadays, really, where you see a lot of pictures and they had the same colors, but different styles. Yeah, yeah. There are styles of lights and home.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

Me too. I look, I like it too.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

Because it kind of lets everyone show their personality.

SPEAKER_04 30:53

As long as you're not getting, say, I'm saying green because I'm very well could be my when I get married, because I love green. But like, as long as you're not getting a green wedding dress that looks like mine, I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:05

My god, I want to be in a wedding again. It's been years. Well, when I get married, you keep in mind.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

I've never been in a wedding. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

I've been in three or four, and it's a time. It's so fun planning it. It's so fun. Everything's so fun. It's so sad when the wedding's over.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

I know it will be two.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

But then I say this and me and Kaylee don't want a big wedding. It's so funny.

SPEAKER_04 31:26

But you know, I said you have to because I've never been in a wedding in my life. I know.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Nail that I think I got you guys too. It makes me be like, oh, maybe I do want a little bit of a wedding. Oh, absolutely. A small one.

SPEAKER_04 31:37

Speaking of weddings, Taylor Shevsky married at Madison Square Garden and she they invited over a thousand people. That's insane. And I wasn't one of them.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

I kind of am too. They're both big celebrities.

SPEAKER_04 31:48

Excuse me. That's not a lot.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

Excuse me.

SPEAKER_04 31:50

We heard you don't heard. Excuse me. I wasn't one of them. That's that's that's but when I get married, just so you know, you're both standing out there beside me.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

God, everyone's gotta look at me.

SPEAKER_04 32:01

Yeah, they're gonna be looking at you right beside me.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Do you feel like wedding hair is overpriced, or is it fair?

SPEAKER_02 32:12

I think it's fair. I think it's fair. It's a lot of work. It is and you travel, yeah. Especially weddings. Like you're losing uh they're usually on Saturdays and you're losing a lot of income in the salon on a Saturday by not going in.

SPEAKER_04 32:24

So like we're saying this, we don't do this, but like in other salons they will travel and they will miss a day of work, so that's why they do price it differently. For us, I like that the updos start at a starting price, yeah. But they can go up because unless you're doing them, you don't know how much work it is.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

No, and how listen, there's Sam's been doing hair for 16 years and me four, and we're both fully admitting we can't do updos right now. We can do the prep, like it's a whole other skill, and it's it could have a whole course load. Yeah, we do like one day in school. Absolutely, yeah. You could have a whole at least month course or more on updos alone.

SPEAKER_04 33:03

Yeah, you could go to school for the nine months and learn how to do all different types of updos on different hair, on different exactly ethnicities of that's called. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

Yeah, because that's the other thing. Yeah, you need to know all like we know people of color aren't walking into our salon as much because they know that we're not fully trained when it comes to the washing and style. We wish we were, but school just doesn't, so they generally will go to other people, like in braids and stuff, they're going to other people.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

I've had a couple of my friends be like, gosh, I wish you did extensions. I'm like, gosh, I w I know I wish I didn't. Yeah. And I don't, so I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Yeah, but with weddings, you're walking in. So that's the other thing. Extensions add to that list. You walk into a wedding, you're gonna get a diverse group of people all around. Yeah, so you need to know doing updos, like Ella said, ethnic hair, your extensions, because like people are gonna have extensions going into it. And there's different different types of curls, everything. So it's a real big I don't think it's overpriced at all. It's a very big skill.

SPEAKER_04 34:08

Yeah, I'm gonna say this, and yes, you can like if you're thinking glass half full, whatever, yes, you could go into it with just curling iron and flat iron, but nowadays you can't. You cannot just walk in with one thing. Like my curling iron itself has three different barrels. Yeah, I'm gonna be bringing a wand, I'm gonna be bringing a big flat iron, a small like you have different colors.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

You have to bring different stuff, different brushes, tobacco, big suitcase full.

SPEAKER_02 34:33

Oh my god, they do the updo lady, yes, literally ad fab, she hairspray. The owner bought a huge rolling thing like you do. You come in with a whole friggin' tool box.

SPEAKER_04 34:46

Literally, my Amika bag, like that big one, yeah, is what I put like boxes of stuff in mine to bring.

SPEAKER_01 34:52

Yeah, and that's that that's the thing. People, you gotta look on another flip side and be like be like, oh my god, it's so expensive.

SPEAKER_04 34:58

But look how much money you were spending on stuff to make you beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

Like you need products, all your products, and like wash.

SPEAKER_04 35:07

If I go to do a wedding, I can't just take shit from work. I have to go buy that myself.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Yeah, and you need like bobby pins, hair elastics, like all your preferences.

SPEAKER_04 35:17

And there's different kinds of bobby pins. There's a bigger ones, there's a smaller one.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

Yep. And then if you're the type if you're the hairstylist that decides, okay, I'm gonna have a stock of like hair accessories that the stu the bridesmaids and stuff can use. Yeah, then you need to have an inventory of that. Yeah, and that could be why you're charged.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

Yeah, because sometimes you'll have like the little like a lot of people either will do like those flower, little like baby breaths or like whatever. Exactly. Exactly, yeah. There's a lot more in the colour. And you think sparkly, really, too. Yeah, sparkly, glittery, all the things.

SPEAKER_04 35:54

So I really think it's fair. So do I think that's a good thing. And I paid for I had again, not I haven't been married, but like my prom hair I paid for, and I don't think it was overpriced.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

No. I think that this is skewed by social media the same way that haircuts and hair color is people have high expectations because of social media.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

And they just think they should be able to snap their fingers and get it. Not everyone, but a lot of people. They just don't know because why would they know? They don't do hair.

SPEAKER_04 36:22

Well, speaking of social media, how do you think social media has changed beauty? Big time.

SPEAKER_02 36:27

Big time.

SPEAKER_04 36:30

For the for the good, but just as much for the bad.

SPEAKER_02 36:34

I think so too.

SPEAKER_04 36:35

Like, I really I do enjoy AI in the sense like you can take a picture and be like, what do you think my haircut, like a best haircut on me would look like? I've had some people do that and it looks really nice. Yeah. But then again, you have people who show you then an AI cut, yeah, and it's curly and wavy and they have straight, fine, thick hair. And you're like, that's not that's not how realistic.

SPEAKER_01 36:56

That's the other thing, right?

SPEAKER_04 36:58

Like, and then again, for the bad side, like making it think, oh, like why does she look this much better if you're using this and this?

SPEAKER_01 37:08

It's like, girl, you're not that person though. Yeah, and that's the thing, like you have to put that into perspective as well, right? Like for inspo and like tips and tricks and videos and learning things like that. Like that I really do love that part.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Me too. And even updos, like, we me and Sam could go online and take up due courses. Yeah, that's amazing. Social media has changed that. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 37:33

Um my favorite part of proms and stuff is the consultation.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 37:43

I really do enjoy. Yeah, and you get to talk and chat and see.

SPEAKER_04 37:48

Yeah, like filters and like it there's a difference now between like chat GBT. I know I love using chat GBT as it's an AI.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:58

That I personally like a lot better than a filter. Yeah. Because you can see the difference. Like filters, like, yeah, don't really do it for me anymore. Like back when that's all there was, yeah, now it's like we have this, and I'm like, I'd rather see you use an AI generated than a filter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

And depending on what you're trying to do, right? If I wanted to make me look a little more snatched, I'll take it. Yeah. But I do love like the like social media now. Like, whenever I was in hair school, we really didn't have a whole lot.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

Yeah, magazines and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

Yeah, we had all like and it's funny because actually someone came in not long ago and they were actually asking for if we had magazines for and I was like, no.

SPEAKER_04 38:46

I've had so many people come in and say, Oh, you don't have the magazines out here anymore.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

They don't even make them anymore. Like whenever we were just well, whenever I was just getting out of hair school, that they used to have books and books and books, magazines, literally just hair in spopecs. Wow. Like of men's, kids' cuts, women's, women's updos, women's color. Like just now you got AI for that.

SPEAKER_04 39:09

But the older people don't always use cell phones.

SPEAKER_01 39:12

And that's the thing, right? So even for the older generation, they wouldn't have had that. They would have had magazines, they don't have social media. Yeah, they're getting slowly into it now. Yeah, but that's the thing. So I I like it for like inspo pick wise or watching videos or learning new little tips and tricks and stuff. I think it's great that way. Yeah, me too. And it has really changed it for the better, for the that part of the better. But for like people going on social media and being like, oh, I just think that's crazy average prices, what you guys charge for stuff that you do. It's like, okay, if you think it's that enraged for pricing, you do it yourself at home then. That's and then you tell me.

SPEAKER_04 39:53

That is where I think social media has changed it for the bad. That's great. Especially people being able to anonymously post behind a screen, or even not anonymously, yeah, but like could be from a different province, somewhere that nobody's gonna care. Yeah. And they just be shitting on someone or bitching about something. And I'm like, yeah, you try and do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

Well, that's the thing, it's like I watched this video one time, not actually not long ago, this barber, I think it was in the States, and he was walking down the street and he was like, How much would you pay for a haircut? The guy's like, I don't know. And then, anyways, he took him and was like, Oh, you think you can do it for cheaper than that? You come to my place and do it. So he had a guy sit down and said, Hand the clipper, set here, do a skin fade. Yeah. And he did it, and the poor guy was botched in the chair, but like, you know, it's not as easy as it looks, is it? No. And the guy was like, No. He's like, Would you pay for this haircut? And he's like, No. So, you know, you gotta put that into consideration. Like, we go to school.

SPEAKER_04 40:55

People talk about this shit now, and they're like, oh my god, so expensive. Like, one guy was really bitching the other day um about how our prices went up four dollars. And I don't was it it was either you or Lorena, and one of them was like, it went up like in at Christmas time. It's been like this for a while. Just like not having it. But if you want a $10 haircut, like I can give it to you.

SPEAKER_01 41:16

Yeah, or you can go home and get yourself a zero dollar haircut. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_04 41:21

You want ten dollar haircut? Sure, give me my clippers and let me just give you a buzz cut.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Yeah, exactly. That's just it. So, I mean, you know, you gotta think about all those things too.

SPEAKER_04 41:31

Yeah. What did your younger self think? Has your younger self ever thought, is this where you think you'd be?

SPEAKER_02 41:36

Yes, I always thought I was gonna be a doctor and a hairstylist on the side. Okay, fair. Yeah, I'm not a doctor, but I'm hairstylists.

SPEAKER_04 41:45

You're a gardener, you're gonna do it. I'm a gardener. Plants back to us.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

Yeah, I'm a plant doctor. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 41:50

My child brought home another plant.

SPEAKER_02 41:53

Did you bring them to your father?

SPEAKER_01 41:55

They planted the tree too. Oh good. So, what's the new plant? Um, I don't know. It's a little red solo cup, and it's a clear solo cup, actually.

SPEAKER_02 42:05

Oh my god, it's probably a vegetable or something. Some little seedlings. Yeah, it probably is.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

There's a kidney bean in there.

SPEAKER_04 42:12

So she'll send a picture to Emily later.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

Yeah. Okay, but it just it's just soil, and I might have I might have smothered it in water today. Oh god.

SPEAKER_04 42:21

Why would you do anything without Emily's without Emily's permission?

SPEAKER_02 42:24

So there's a seed in there somewhere. Sure. Well, if there's no plant, then there must be a seed. It looks like a kidney bean. Oh the seed? Oh my god, they probably gave you like a pea or a or bean or string beans.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

It looks like a black kidney bean or a red dark kidney bean. I don't know. I I don't have a green thumb, you guys. Me neither. Don't be dig it out and I'll take a picture and show you later. I was like, I gotta keep this another thing alive. Send help. Yeah, I might I might have waterlogged it, but I put added some more soil. That's good. Hopefully it'll be okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:57

If not, it's fine. Yeah. My younger self probably saw me here because, like I said, like for Christmas, I wouldn't be asking for like bikes and DSs at this point and stuff like this. I'd be asking for mannequin heads because my mom worked in a salon, like that's fair. I grew up around it.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

Yeah, me too. My aunt was a hairdresser, actually. And it was funny. I actually cut every single burbie I owned in my house.

SPEAKER_04 43:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

And I boxed them all and it was great.

SPEAKER_04 43:22

I always felt in trouble. Stop cutting the hair. The hair's everywhere. Blah, blah, blah. Look at me now, Mom.

SPEAKER_01 43:29

I went into my bathroom and I'd lock the door and I'd cut all their hair. Oh my god. And then I'd hide them all. Why didn't you even lock the door? Because we didn't want anyone to come I didn't want anyone to come in. See what I was doing. It was private. It was my private secret salon in the bathroom. Cut every single one of their hairs. But it was funny because whenever I was told my aunt I was going to hair school, she's like, Great, now you can do the rest of the family.

SPEAKER_04 43:51

I'm like, Oh, that's what I got too. Now you can do my couple people that I do that I don't do hair anymore.

SPEAKER_02 43:57

Yeah. I always did my friend's hair growing up. Like whether it was straightening it, curling it, coloring it, highlighting it.

SPEAKER_04 44:03

I played on a provincial softball team and I was always like the the updo girl, like if they wanted a couple braids and like it was always me.

SPEAKER_01 44:11

Yeah, that that's fair.

SPEAKER_02 44:13

Do you guys think cares forever?

SPEAKER_01 44:16

I mean, I don't see myself doing anything else, so far yeah so far yes. But who would know? So far yes. Ella's lying.

SPEAKER_04 44:26

I'm not lying. I think I don't know. I think so.

SPEAKER_02 44:31

I have health issues that probably will affect my mobility and stuff in the future. So that's fair. I'm gonna do it as long as my body lets me do it.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. Like, I've been doing hair for almost 17 years now. Yeah. I'm really starting to feel it. Yeah. No, but I do take care of myself as much as I can.

SPEAKER_04 44:50

And I'm not lying. I just like I think there's another job that's super cool, and I think I would love to do that. But then again, I also really enjoy what I do. I think being a 911 operator would be really cool, like not cool in like that way. Like I just think I'd be good at it. Yeah. And I think it would be very rewarding, but I also feel very rewarded doing hair too. Maybe you could do both. Uh no. But I could do that when I retire and I'm old.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

Yeah, they're really long shifts.

SPEAKER_04 45:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

They're long shifts.

SPEAKER_04 45:20

But no, I don't plan on leaving anytime soon.

SPEAKER_01 45:22

That's fair.

SPEAKER_04 45:23

Maybe when I like I said, like when my body doesn't allow me to do hair anymore and I need to have a sitting job, then I can go do that. Like because you can be six years old and be like, nah, won't wanna, what's your marriage say?

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Sixty? What? Sixty she says.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

Yeah. I better be retired at sixty. You better win the lottery then.

SPEAKER_01 45:42

I got like twenty some years left to go. Oh, wait, less than that. Less than twenty.

SPEAKER_02 45:48

Yeah, you're old.

SPEAKER_01 45:49

I am not. Only 36, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 45:53

I didn't oh no, Kaylee's 37. I was gonna say I didn't know you and Kaylee were the same age, but she's she's still senior.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

She's a senior. Love ya. I know.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

She probably doesn't even listen to this because that's right. My wife is like 20 episodes behind on our damn podcast. Kayleigh believe it. Kaylee. By the time she freaking hears this, we're probably gonna be in like season three of this podcast. We'll be in Dominican. Oh, that's right. Sally.

SPEAKER_04 46:20

Never mind, we won't bring it up. But yeah, Kaylee, I saw the message today. Just skip the podcast and come home.

SPEAKER_02 46:27

You want to fight? Every Saturday, Kaylee starts sucking, saying, please don't do the podcast. Can't come home. I'm like, dear, I'm gonna do the podcast.

SPEAKER_04 46:38

Yeah, Kaylee.

SPEAKER_02 46:39

She says don't go.

SPEAKER_04 46:40

Yeah, she says Kaylee popped up today without helping her do something or something. The podcast and come home. Kaylee, me outside. How about that?

SPEAKER_02 46:51

She's gonna soon cause her and Owen are on the way. I can see my buddy.

SPEAKER_04 46:56

We're gonna fight. I'm gonna fight Kaylee.

SPEAKER_02 46:57

That's so funny. Yeah, but it's her way of sucking, so she's whining as she spends like. Come home, dear, I miss you. Which is cute. I shouldn't complain about that. I mean, I get it. I'm complaining about her not listening. That's why I was angry.

SPEAKER_04 47:11

What scares you most about the future?

SPEAKER_02 47:13

Our economy.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

Yeah. It's true. It is very true. Regulars going for longer in between because it's just so expensive. Not because getting your hair is expensive, just like in general.

SPEAKER_02 47:29

Groceries, and it's not even my job scared like my literal future because going back to retiring, well, truly though. Yeah. It's hard enough saving money in anyways. That's a whole other rampage. I know. Yeah, it's it's true though.

SPEAKER_04 47:44

And just for me, is like other than economy-wise, would be my body. Because it does like doing hair, it does take a toll on your body.

SPEAKER_01 47:51

It's very hard in the body. Like I did foils two days in a row. And I literally was like, oh my god, my lower back and my upper back is killing me.

SPEAKER_04 48:02

I did two full shampoo cut, not blow-dried shampoo cut blowouts, like styled. And then I went and played ball. And when I started to throw the ball, I'm like, why is my arm already sore? And I'm like, because I did two blowouts today.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Yeah, and it's hard work.

SPEAKER_02 48:16

I currently have tendinitis in my shoulders, so I'm at going to physio. And I said to him, I'm like, we've got to be at eight or nine sessions, and I'm no better. And he's like, it's your job.

SPEAKER_04 48:26

And I was like, And don't let them convince you to pay for a cortisone shot in your shoulder because it's not gonna do shit.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

Well, and I said to him, I'm like, even if you said that I go off work right now and let this heal, go off for three months, heal it, it's not gonna happen again. And he's like, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 48:42

That's why I'm saying don't pay for a cortisone shot because it's the job, it's just repetitive.

SPEAKER_02 48:48

I mean, if a cortisone shot helped for a few months give actual relief, I would do it. Yeah, because everyone's different. Cortisone shots never last anymore. That's fair, and I didn't get them.

SPEAKER_04 48:57

My rotator cuff was torn when they gave me mine to try to give me relief until I got my surgery. Yeah, and I didn't.

SPEAKER_02 49:05

Um, what would your guys' dream business be outside the salon?

SPEAKER_04 49:11

Like my own salon? Like you mean? Well, no, like or something like say if hair wasn't my yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

Would you have anything or would it be owning your own salon?

SPEAKER_01 49:19

Probably owning my own. Yeah, probably owning my own salon.

SPEAKER_02 49:22

It got me thinking though, when we were talking, because I've always been up front, I would never have my own business. If I was to have my own business, it would be weddings.

SPEAKER_04 49:30

No, I was just gonna say talking about updos, I was gonna say if it couldn't be hair, I would like to be a travel on-site like wedding girl.

SPEAKER_01 49:39

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can still do that now, but now they make you like have your like mobile license, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

Which is but we couldn't do that working at where we do, where we do, because we can't take off Saturdays, so unfortunately. But some people get married on a Sunday or but to be serious, my dream business, and I already just said this to Monica the other day, is I do really want to be a bus driver. I just did say that. I want to be able to do bus driver and hair. I just don't know if like our salon is able to accomp like accommodate that right now.

SPEAKER_01 50:13

But I actually need the morning and the afternoon run.

SPEAKER_02 50:16

Yeah, but I'd work evenings, like I would do what a man like nine to two and six to eight. Yeah. I mean, maybe we'd get there and I could look into it, but I really would. And my family always tells me I'd be really good at being a bus driver. So that's fair.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

Yeah. Well, do you wanna go into our fun little game? Yeah, enough of the deep stuff.

SPEAKER_01 50:37

Yeah, we'll go into the fun stuff now.

SPEAKER_04 50:40

We're gonna go into our AITA. Does anyone know what that means? Am I the asshole?

SPEAKER_02 50:46

Redditors. We love red literally.

SPEAKER_04 50:49

We're going to salon, am I the asshole court?

SPEAKER_00 50:52

Uh oh oh.

SPEAKER_04 50:54

So we're each going to like read a question. Okay. Pretending like, am I the asshole? Like you pretend you did this. The person who reads it can answer first, and then like the other ones can answer too. Okay. Okay, who wants to go first? Okay. Okay. Am I I gotta zoom in, I can't see. Am I the asshole for secretly going to another stylist then coming back? I wanna say like no, because people do it.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

Yeah, I don't do it all the time.

SPEAKER_04 51:26

Like, if you're busy and they can't get into you, they need somewhere else, that's fine.

SPEAKER_02 51:29

I'm even if you even want to go see if the grass is greener. It really Yeah. That doesn't bug me. The only time it would bug me is if you are trashing your other stylist in the process and then come crawling back. Yeah, that's the only time. Just don't be don't be an asshole about doing it. Yeah, and you're not the asshole.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 51:52

And you can even tell me you went somewhere else.

SPEAKER_01 51:55

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 51:57

Yeah, exactly. We'll have a lot of people come in and be like, I'm sorry, like you were just busy and I needed it, and I went here and I didn't like it. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Thank you for coming back. Exactly. Exactly. No, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 52:09

Do you think No, you have to say it. Okay. Am I the asshole for charging extra because hair was more work than expected? I think you're the asshole if you don't communicate it. Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 52:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 52:21

If you know it's gonna be more work, tell them. You need to tell them. Yeah. You need to do that. And even if it in the consult you re you didn't realize it was gonna cost more. If you're halfway through the service, you still need to say, Yeah, sorry, this is gonna cost more if we keep doing it this way. Yeah. Do you want me to adjust accordingly? Whatever. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 52:40

Communication is key. But no, I don't think you're the asshole for charging more.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

You should charge more for more work, but just communicate it.

SPEAKER_04 52:46

Yeah, exactly. Monica, we were talking about this. Like, if we're doing an additional flat iron, there there is an option for that, but essentially it is a style.

SPEAKER_03 52:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:59

Which you should be charging for the style because it's taking you longer. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

You should charge the price of a style, not just yeah. To me, additional flat iron would be additional on top of the style because they had so much hair. Or like doing a style where you do a blowout style and then you flat iron. Or yeah, yeah. Like because then you couldn't we round brushes a style. So if you're already charging them a round brush style and then you go and flat iron, then I would say additional flat iron.

SPEAKER_01 53:27

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 53:28

Not two times the style.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Exactly. Yeah, fair. I agree. Am I the asshole for refusing to stay late for a bridal emergency?

SPEAKER_02 53:40

I would have oh sorry, you answer first.

SPEAKER_01 53:43

I will say I would say no. Not the asshole. Wait, oh wait, refusing to stay late. Like me saying I'm refusing to stay light for a bridal emergency. Yeah, with no, I would stay.

SPEAKER_04 53:57

Yeah, so I'm saying yes, you are the asshole if you wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 54:00

So yes, I'm the asshole if I wouldn't, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:01

Oh, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 54:03

Wait, what?

SPEAKER_04 54:04

If you're doing a wedding, yeah, that's on you. You should have your day, like I know maybe you do like two weddings in one day, but like if I'm going to do a wedding, yeah, and something happens, yeah, I want them to still be able to get married and feel good. So yes, I feel like you're an asshole if you won't, if it's an emergency.

SPEAKER_02 54:24

I feel like context really matters in this situation. Like if because if you also have prior commitments as a hairstylist and you really can't stay, yeah, that just really sucks for everyone, but you're not the asshole. But if you could stay and you're just leaving because you don't want to deal and you're like not my problem.

SPEAKER_04 54:44

That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 54:45

Yeah, yes, then I think context in the situation matters.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

100%. Like if I was doing a wedding and I did the hair and then something happened, say her hair fell out a little bit on one side, and they want you to fix it.

SPEAKER_04 54:57

Like they go get pictures and it's windy and some hair pieces fall out.

SPEAKER_01 55:01

Yeah, like make yourself available for that whole day.

SPEAKER_02 55:04

That's what in the updo course they did say that you should be there even during the service. And you know what? A lot of brides nowadays invite the makeup artists and that, even to the dinner and say, like, you're more than welcome to come.

SPEAKER_04 55:18

So yeah, I went to the wedding.

SPEAKER_02 55:19

You should be there and like have your little pouch with a comb and like extra emergency things available.

SPEAKER_04 55:25

Yeah, emergency kit. I gave her extra stuff, but at the wedding beside me, I had my tissues and I had um, like, cause I I cry because I'm a softie. Um, but I had like bobby pins and stuff if she needed it. And I told her, because they where they were going for pictures, they said like, no, like you don't come like it's dirt roads kind of out of the way and stuff. But I said, like, if you need me, like I can be there. Yeah. Just in case like the wind or something happens.

SPEAKER_01 55:50

Exactly. Like, I would say, like, like I've never actually done a full wedding like that, so like I don't really know. But in my mind, I would just say, like, once I get the pictures and that done, I'm sure they're not gonna give a fuck after that. Yeah, you know, once it's like dance time, their hair fell out a little bit. Do you think they're really gonna give a shit? Probably not.

SPEAKER_04 56:10

Whatever. We had actually done a trial with me showing her how to take the bun out so it could just be in a ponytail if she wanted for the reception. Yeah, am I the asshole for asking for a redo after crying at home? No, no, no, we definitely ask people like if please come back. Please come back if you see something is not right. Yeah, please.

SPEAKER_02 56:33

Exactly. Never the asshole for that.

SPEAKER_04 56:36

But don't cry at home. Don't cry, just come back. You can cry. I'm very big on letting you feel your emotions.

SPEAKER_02 56:42

That's the type of parent. Feel them.

SPEAKER_04 56:45

Me too, but don't cry, because it's gonna be okay. Yeah, fix it, it's gonna be all better.

SPEAKER_01 56:48

I'm like, this happened in this long not long ago.

SPEAKER_02 56:50

It really did, yeah. We had a whole situation. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 56:53

It wasn't even a huge thing. So, like, you just need to communicate. That's the same thing. Exactly. Come on.

SPEAKER_04 56:59

How I think every episode we've said, communicate.

SPEAKER_02 57:01

We really have. I think that we need to change our podcast name to communicate.

SPEAKER_04 57:05

But communication is huge.

SPEAKER_02 57:07

It is.

SPEAKER_04 57:07

Not untangle at all.

SPEAKER_02 57:09

Communicate it all. Communicate it all. We're not telling you, untangle it all by communicating over my circle. Here we are.

SPEAKER_00 57:17

Untangle and communicate it all. Just kidding.

SPEAKER_02 57:22

JK, bro. Am I the asshole for not tipping because the hair was already expensive? Yes. Yes, you're not. I'm sorry, yes. I know tipping culture is such a hot topic right now. It truly is all across social media. I agree we don't need to tip everyone and everything, but we've always been a tipping service-based industry. And I yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:46

I think that because like we're not taking home money every single day. We're waiting on paycheck. Exactly. So, like, if you can even whatever, if you give two dollars, that's two dollars we then get to take home. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:00

And sometimes, like, I don't want to make this sound like I know. We're trying to not sound bitchy, but like also sometimes when you don't get a tip and you felt like they really loved it and you did such a good job and you told that I should have to do it.

SPEAKER_04 58:12

And you did a lot of work, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:14

And then you get a big fat zero, you're like, okay, maybe you're like, well, maybe they hated it then. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 58:19

Exactly. Cause I have to say, Ella, everybody does have to wait for a paycheck. No, that's what I mean. Oh, yeah, like everyone no, but like every so everybody with a job, that's an argument you'll probably hear people say, like who don't get tips, they'll be like, well, I got two.

SPEAKER_04 58:38

Yeah. As being that we are very grateful to get tips. Yeah. That's what I mean. Because everyone, like, you don't get a paycheck every single day. You wait for it. Yeah. That's what I meant. Like, yeah, that's why we appreciate the tips because that's money, extra money we get to take home at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02 58:53

I just think like service-based things should get the tip because you go above and beyond. Like, and you're like, it's permanent. Same as tattoos and like yeah. But yeah, I just, and I don't know, even a dollar or two, I don't, it lets us know it was a good job or a bad job. Thank you. We really, even though we get paid hourly, we're super thankful we're not making a lot hourly. And people who aren't getting an hourly rate in this industry, they are working off commission or they pay rent. And just because somebody has a home salon doesn't mean they don't deserve a tip.

SPEAKER_04 59:29

No, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 59:30

They deserve a tip because there's so much overhead coming out of your appointment cost, it's not even funny. So you pay 40 bucks for a haircut. If you're going to a commission salon, they're making 20 bucks. Literally. We don't even make so um, yeah. It's true though. Tipping is really appreciated and you should tip it.

SPEAKER_01 59:52

Personal preference. Like, say, Emily, you went out for dinner somewhere and you had really shitty service. Are you gonna be that type of person? I still tip it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:02

Me too. It's just my I have a th I have a sliding scale on my tip percentages. Yeah. Generally it's very high. The rare times I get shit service, you're getting like five percent.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

Right. So yeah, that's what I was curious. Like, I can't. Or five dollar bill. Yeah, the same in that sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:18

Yes. I can't help it now that I work in a s I in an industry that I really appreciate tips, I can't not tip. What if they're just having a bad day? Like you don't know if this is what they're always like. What if they just are really having a bad day?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:33

Exactly. And I mean it's if you really need a haircut because you're going to a funeral or a job interview or something and you're broke as hell. I try not like when there obviously every day, every shift I have non-tippers. I'm not like fuck you. Yeah, can't believe you didn't tip me. No, because we have so many tippers, yeah, when they don't tip, that's where my mind actually goes, is like they're not tip. Unless I felt iffy about the appointment, I don't assume they're not tipping me because it sucked. I assume something like I give them the benefit of the doubt. Exactly. Exactly. I just think if you're I think because the question said if you're not tipping because you thought the hair was too expensive, yeah, that's when you're the asshole. But there is other reasons why you don't tip and it's not a dick move.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:19

Um am I the asshole for a ghosting stylist after one bad appointment? You answer first. No. I'm not an asshole. I don't think so either. I don't think I no.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:35

I would say no.

unknown 1:01:37

I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:38

So like if it was me, I would like you to tell me too. Because then I'd know what I can do better next year on if it's not gonna be a good thing. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:46

Because I can't get better, and like I hate the thought of people walking around with shit they don't like. Yeah, yeah, because I want to know what the hell I freaking.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:53

Or say, because I've had this happen to me before, say they went to you for like a really long time, and now they're going to your coworker, and you're like, hmm, okay, so what did I do wrong? Yeah. So I get that.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:08

You're not you can do it in a way without sounding rude.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:11

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:12

Because really, I want if it's that bad that you're never gonna come back to me, I want to know why. Yes. Because I don't want to do it again.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:22

Yeah, well, I think most of these show that we don't think a lot of people are assholes, we're nice people, yes, exactly. And it's very much context, and I think that's just the way life should be always and yeah, it's gonna be context for everything. Yeah, absolutely 100%. Thanks for hanging out with us on Untangle It All.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:39

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