22. Yapping about Trav's last season, Snowy-B, the Panthers, & Week 14 Ins and Outs

We chat about legacies and timing as the Chiefs stumble, then revel in the cold-blooded theater of Bills-Bengals in the snow. Lions-Cowboys swings on kicker greatness and a rookie’s rise, while Cleveland’s two-point Wildcat call sparks a QB trust debate.

• Chiefs, Texans aftermat,h and the Kelce slump
• Week 14 whiparound results and implications
• Bills Bengals snow classic and Josh Allen’s heroics
• Lions beat Cowboys, Dak’s MVP buzz, Aubrey’s range
• Jameer Gibbs’ historic pace and impact
• Browns’ two-point Wildcat without Shadur
• Shadur Sanders’ rookie stats and composure
• NFC shakeups and Bucks Saints fallout
• Ravens Steelers end zone ruling and officiating clarity
• Quick hits on Vikings rebound and family pick in Pittsburgh
• Ins and outs list to cap the week

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December football finally showed its teeth. We open with the Texans’ upset over the Chiefs and a sharp debate on what a midseason slump means for Travis Kelce: a legacy stain or a short-term story that won’t survive the larger arc of rings, records, and cultural reach. From there we zoom across Week 14’s turning points—why the Jaguars’ statement, the Packers’ late pick, and the Rams’ scoring binge actually matter—before settling into the weekend’s main event: Bills-Bengals in a blizzard. Josh Allen flipped single-digit win odds with legs and late-game poise, while Joe Burrow kept it surgical until Buffalo’s defense seized momentum. It’s the kind of snow game that reminds you why January dreams are built in December.

Thursday night brought heat of a different kind. The Lions clawed past the Cowboys as Dak Prescott kept MVP chatter alive, Brandon Aubrey turned the field into his personal launch pad, and Jameer Gibbs continued to sprint into franchise history. We break down why Detroit needed that win more, and how a metronomic kicker changes risk calculus for an offense.

Then comes Cleveland, where the Browns pulled the ball out of Shadur Sanders’ hands on a potential game-tying two-point try for a Wildcat that fizzled. Shadur had stacked 300-plus yards and multiple scores, then watched the deciding snap from the sideline. We unpack the numbers, the optics, and what trust should look like when a rookie is earning it in real time. 

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Speaker 0:27

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Speaker 2 0:33

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Speaker 0:47

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Speaker 2 0:48

The game's on. Welcome back to another episode of your favorite football-based podcast, The Game by the Girls for Everyone. We have a Yap and Recap episode for you today, chatting about what went down in week 14 of the NFL. And we've said this every week. Everyone is saying this. Like, this season of the NFL is just chaos city. Like this is the season where like a girl breaks up with her boyfriend and then everything goes haywire. You don't know what's going to happen. You don't know who she's going to date. You don't know when she's going to be in Europe. Am I describing my own life? I didn't think about it while I was saying it, but kind of. So we're going to talk about it and we're going to start with the Texans Chiefs. But before we do that, if you haven't subscribed to the show, make sure you hit subscribe so you know when new episodes come out. Right now we have a Tuesday and a Thursday episode and an occasional Friday episode. This Friday, we have a fiance of a Colts player. Her name is Julie. And she is so wonderful. She's a med student. And so it was really fun to talk to her a little bit about Carly and a little bit about the internal workings of the Chiefs. And then we just kind of hit it off. So we just kind of chatted like friends. It's a super fun episode to hear. So make sure you turn out tune in on Friday for that. So if you haven't subscribed, subscribe so that you see when the new episodes come out. If you haven't followed us on social, please do that at the game, the podcast. We've been posting a lot of clips from the episodes. And if you're not on our Substack, the game the podcast dot substack.com. I just came out with a gift guide that you can send to your family and friends. So then when they're like, what do you want for Christmas? Like it's all locked and loaded in there. Everything from like $899 to like $400, $500. So pretty full-on gift guide, but something good to share with your friends and family if they don't know what to get you. And it's a lot of aesthetic stuff around the NFL, which I love in aesthetic. So without further ado, let's get into it. Giovanna, what did you think about the Texans Chiefs?

Chiefs Texans: Kelce’s Slump And Legacy Debate

Speaker 2:59

Travis Kelsey. If this is going to be your last year in the National Football League, I fear you need to step it up. Kelsey, up until this point, and I hate giving kind of an ultimatum in the situation because Kelsey has been decent. Like he has had some really good games. He's broke the all-time receiving record with in the Chiefs organization this season. So he's done some really great things. But I fear in this Chiefs Texans game, Patrick Mahomes' stat line wasn't the best. I mean, there was quite a bit of interceptions. He had three interceptions to be exact. I believe two of those were not his fault. One of them was, I think two of them were actually balls to Travis Kelsey and ended up being drops. But there was one in particular where it was just butterfingers for Travis Kelsey and he could not hold on to the ball, gets intercepted. It was just very bad seeing Travis Kelsey in that light. And I fear that all of the positive is going to be negated by these negatives when it comes to Travis Kelsey and his legacy. And if this is his last year in the National Football League, you know, he might be remembered as a little bit of a Butterfinger and a little bit of a guy that couldn't make plays when it mattered. I don't know. What do you what are your opinions on that?

Speaker 2 4:30

I respectfully disagree. I think that this will be known as the Chiefs. Well, I think I think what happens next year is gonna be highly is gonna highly determine the press about the Chiefs for the following 10 years, but I don't think it's gonna be determined this year. They were in the Super Bowl last year. They are a dynasty. Whether they're playing well right now or not, they are a dynasty. But I think that Travis Kelsey has branded himself so well outside of anything on the actual field at this point, that like there's no way he's gonna be remembered for being Butterfingers in his last season of 15. Also, while he's getting married to Taylor Swift last year, was on the cover of GQ, is the winningest touchdown leader for the Chiefs of all time. I just don't think that those can compare to like five really bad games because he's had five really bad games. I do think that if we're looking season specific, that is the story. And I think that you're right about that. But I don't think like, I don't think this changes his legacy at all. But I do think it determines if he will come back or not. Cause I know that's been a hot topic. And as he said, I think he's come out saying, like, maybe he's getting close. But then at the beginning of this season, he was saying that he was feeling really young and like commented on a potential retirement. So I don't know. I yeah, I think I disagree that his legacy will be that this will like change the way people see him just because he's so famous outside of this now.

Speaker 6:11

Uh the only thing that I would say is like, I don't think it's gonna change. I think it's gonna just stain it a little bit because like when you look at his brother, I feel like his brother got out at like an optimal time when like obviously like Jason was a really good person on the O-line and he did a phenomenal job and left the legacy. And when you look at the Chiefs, and again, this has been a huge storyline this season. Their fall from grace, they're actually not even gonna win the AFC now after this loss against the Texans. We talked about this last week, that playoff percent chance now coming down to that 14%. It's at that 14%. And we are now in dub mode for the Chiefs because they, you know, are they breaking history, but they're also breaking history in a bad way. So to look at that and then to put that on top of like, if this is Chavez Kelsey's last season, I think it's going to be a little bit stained because of like the all the external factors, not say that he's still doing amazing things outside of the season and he's still a really good tight end and really good player in general. But it would be very interesting to see him retire this season, given all of the like first the Chiefs have had, I guess.

Speaker 2 7:25

Do you do you not think, though, that this is actually the perfect time for him to retire? Because if he retires now, he's gonna be praised for retiring when he started to decline versus players that stay in the league too long. That's, I feel like a stain. I feel like the team not doing well, him not producing the way he's produced previously, and kind of riding on records that have been built over time. I think that now's the perfect time for him to retire to say, you know what? My play quality going down. I can't be the asset to this team anymore. Which, based on everything that he says, I think that this is his perfect time to retire. Retire in a classy way, retire with honesty and transparency, and like lay it all on the table and then be praised for being someone who did so well for so many years. And right when he starts to see his decline, he says, Thank you. I'm no longer contributing in the way that this franchise needs. It's my time to go because they're gonna keep him for however long he's gonna play. So I kind of think this is the perfect time to retire stainlessly versus someone who maybe should have retired a long time ago and stays in and gets hurt, or Aaron Rodgers retiring now is kind of like, okay, it's about time. Like, you know, and I don't think that Travis Kelsey wants to be that. And if Aaron Rodgers retired his first season of kind of seeing a decline, I don't know.

Speaker 8:57

Yeah, I mean, people were saying this last year about him. I mean, I feel like the optimal time to retire for Kelsey might have been last season to like, I guess, go out with a bang, if you will. But I think because he was feeling so young and refreshed, we wanted to continue. And I think that's kind of not the issue, but like that's just the reality of these players. Like Travis Kelsey, in my opinion, doesn't look like he should be retiring. I think he's still more than capable of playing in the National Football League. Yeah, it's just changing so much. And I think not only is Travis Kelsey have changed, but the the Chiefs team as a whole has changed. So it's just going to be very different for him, particularly if he does continue, if he doesn't continue. But I guess we will see, and only time will tell, realistically, uh, for this Chiefs team. But they are officially eliminated from winning the AFC, and that is uh crazy because they have won nine straight AFC West titles and reached the AFC championship game. Um, and every single season, Patrick Mahomes has started from 2016 all the way to 2024.

Are The Chiefs’ Dynasty Cracking Or Resetting

Speaker 2 10:07

So it's crazy that it's 2015 was the last time they did not win that championship. Like that is so wild. But to be very explicitly clear, the Chiefs are not out of the playoff running. They can still make the playoffs. They just cannot win the AFC championship. So they are not totally out of the playoffs. You're gonna see a lot of headlines that say Chiefs out of the playoffs. That is incorrect. They are not fully out, they have a 14% chance of making the playoffs. So you can consider that might as well be out, but they're not actually out. They just can't win the AFC West title this year, which guarantees them if they win that, it guarantees them an at-home playoff game. So that's what they're out of. I want to do a little recap of the week, which we haven't really been doing, but I wanted to do a little recap of kind of everything that happened, and then we'll continue to like yap and recap our favorite moments. So as we were talking about the Chiefs, their worst losses under Patrick Mahomes, three turnovers forced by the Texans, and held Kansas City to its fewest points ever when Patrick Mahomes was a starter. The Jags beat the Colts 36 to 19, which is the Colts' worst loss of the season. And now they have the sole possession of the AFC South. I don't think anybody saw the Jags coming. Also, in that game, Daniel Jones, their fearless leader and quarterback, tore his ACL. He previously had, I believe it's a right leg fibula fracture, which your fibula is one of the largest bones. I think it is like the largest, or your femur's largest bone, but you have a fibula and a tibula. Oh man, my science is wrong. Anyway, he had a fractured fibula on his right side and then tore, I believe, his left Achilles, the opposite leg. He tore an Achilles, you're you're pretty much out. Then we had the Green Bay Packers and the Chicago Bears. I knew this was gonna be a good game. The Bears were nine and three. The Packers were eight, three, and one. So now the Packers are nine, three, and one, and the Bears are nine and four. 28 to 21. Green Bay. That game ended in an interception in the Bears end zone. Seattle Seahawks dominated the Falcons 37 to 19. Okay. Rams crushed the Cardinals 45 to 17. No serious notes, but the Rams are up there in NFC contenders. And then the Saints won 24 to 20 over the Bucks. Wow. Yeah. Quarterback Tyler Show ran for two touchdowns to lead the way. So that's shocking. And I think that has implications for the Bucks moving forward. So that's your overview of what happened in week 14 of football. Let's get into some more of the drama.

Speaker 13:05

There's so much to talk about.

Speaker 2 13:07

There's so much to talk about. Can we start with the Bills Bengals game?

Speaker 13:12

Yes, please.

Speaker 2 13:14

I have never been happier to be on my couch. Like all the girls, when I said, like on TikTok, like, oh, I'm gonna go to Buffalo, they were like, come for a snow game. No, it's different out there. It's different. Because let me tell you, when I went to the game when it was in the 40s, I had jeans, thick socks, knee-high boots, a long sleeve, a sweatshirt, a puffer, a hat, gloves, hand warmers, and I brought a blanket inside. And I feel like in that, like I think it was like 41, I felt great. I felt like perfect in all of those layers. But the snow, insane. There was, oh my gosh, who was it? There's a a video of someone on the sideline, and he's like, you know, some people are made for this, but I am made for this shit.

Speaker 14:07

Not built for this.

Speaker 2 14:08

Yeah, it's one of the Bengals players sitting on the on the sideline, just like miserable. I do think, and I mentioned this in a TikTok, I did some predictions, which honestly, a lot of them I was wrong about this week, but I predicted that the Bills Bengals was gonna be a really good game. So I was really happy to see a really good game. And Joe Burrow, especially coming off of his injury, absolutely killed it. Like Bengals fans could not ask for any other performance than what the entire Bengals did over this weekend. And so I think that, you know, loss is a loss, but I think that like Bengals Nation should be very proud of the way that the Bengals showed up. And the Bills have just had a what more well-oiled machine than the Bengals had. And I think that's just facts. But I loved watching watching the game in the snow. I was super happy to be cozy. And if you need a heated vest because you're thinking about going to one of these insanely cold places, you can find that on the gift guide I made for you. Shameless plug.

Speaker 15:13

Okay, if you're saying that the Bills had a well-oiled machine compared to the Bengals. I I can't say that because I will continuously shout it from the rooftops. If the Bills did not have Josh Allen, they would not be anything right now. They would not be anything. Josh Allen is consistently, week after week, playing Euroball, getting the job done for the Bills team. Halftime, the Bills had an 8.4% chance of winning that game. And then Josh Allen with his legs, with all of the I mean, play of the game. Not only did he have a couple plays where just I don't even know how he got the ball off, getting sacked, but also running the ball himself into the end zone, getting points on the board for the Bills. Like, yes, the Bills' defense shut up in some parts. You know, they had a couple interceptions. Joe Burrow threw, I think, three interceptions in that game. So Bills' defense was decent. Actually, they threw two interceptions. Joe Burrow threw two interceptions. But I when I look at this game, all I can think about is Josh Allen. And after the game, too, Josh Allen was like Joe Burrow is one of the best quarterbacks in this league and gave credit to where his credit is due, which is you know, classy guy as always. But again, looking at this game, Josh Allen mind-blowing. Just mind blowing.

Week 14 Rapid Recap Across The League

Speaker 2 16:43

Yeah, no, I agree. And I think when I said well-oiled machine, I'm not saying that the Bills in comparison to the league, just the Bills are working with the same system they've been working with the entire season, where the Bengals had Joe leave. But I think the Bengals are the exact same way, though, because Joe Burrow went out and they were absolute garbage. Like it wasn't even fun to watch. Like I literally was barely even tuning. I was tuning in because I have a podcast where I said I was gonna talk about football, but I wasn't tuning in because I was interested in the Bengals when Joe Burrow wasn't there. So I think that they're like somewhat equivalent in that way.

Speaker 17:21

Yeah, it's actually funny because Joe Flacco has the most passing yards in a single game after week 13. He has the most passing yards in a single game when he got to the Bengals with 470 passing yards in a single game. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 17:36

That's so many yards.

Speaker 17:38

I I know in a single game, which I'm gonna get into Schader a little bit later because there's another interesting thing about him that I'm excited to talk about with you. But yeah, final thing about Bill's Bengals, absolute cinema. I mean, couldn't couldn't expect more. The snow, the snowy ground, a game that was just you're on the edge of your seat. Bills pull out an amazing W that nobody saw coming. I I have I think I have a timeline. Oh yeah, a timeline. First quarter, six minutes left, tied zero zero. Second quarter, seven minutes and thirty seconds left. Bengals up 14 3. Bengals then go up more 211. Then in the fourth quarter, the Bengals are up 28-18 with seven minutes left. Bills come back, get points on the board, 28-25, 28-32, 28-39, two minutes left. Like, I just the deficit that they overcame was literally one of the most entertaining games that we've watched this season.

Speaker 2 18:40

So, yeah, I agree. I would I agree. Anytime a snow game is going on, people are locked in. There's nothing worse than watching a blowout snow game because it just feels sad. So I love that it was like a good game. The Bengals were up by a lot, and then the Bills won by a lot. And I just think it was it was a great watch. It was, yeah, probably one of the most fun watches of the season. Exciting to see both of those quarterbacks. They're two of the most favored quarterbacks in the league. I would say, like on the personality and favorite, like if there was a likability score, they would both highly be up there. So yeah, I don't really have any other notes from that, but one game I forgot in my recap because it always feels like it's so long ago. Thursday night football. Let's get this one out of the way so you can talk about the things you're excited about. Talk to you.

Speaker 19:37

Oh, it was so bad. And this is my problem that I have. I feel like whenever I expect the cowboys to win, they lose. So whenever I expect them to lose, they win. So I'm over it.

Speaker 2 19:50

I'm over it. Yeah, you know, I think the score, if you look at the score after the fact and you don't watch the game, like it seems like the Lions like destroyed the Cowboys, but the game felt much closer during the actual game. If you look at the score though, 30 to 44, it seems like the Lions like really blew them out a little bit, but it really felt close the entire game. Like I didn't feel calm, but I didn't feel that uneasy, but it was a good. A good game on both behalf. One thing that I always hate, and Louisa would tell me it's just football and that's the way it is. But I felt like both teams were being unnecessarily aggressive after the end of plays, which just isn't that fun to watch to me. Like if you're gonna break out in a whole fight, like if you're gonna fight, then fight. But if you're just gonna be a little rude, like don't be rude unless you want to hit someone.

Speaker 20:50

Yeah.

Bills Bengals Snow Game: Allen vs Burrow

Speaker 2 20:51

And maybe that's a hot take, but like there were a couple plays on both sides where I was like, do we do we need that? Was that necessary? You couldn't have just called him a piece of shit in your face masks. I don't know. But the Cowboys end their winning streak against the Chiefs, which after the Chiefs lost this weekend, the Chiefs win for the Cowboys feels less good. I mean less impressive, I would say. And then the win over the Eagles, I would still say, is impressive, but then the Lions took that streak away from them for a three-peat going on. I do think that this was super, this was like a must-win game on both sides. And I think the Lions really, really needed it. The Lions are still in third place. You got the Packers, then the Bears. The Lions are still below the Bears. So the Lions still have work to do, but they're not, they can't do anything if they can't win. So I was happy to see the Lions win. Jameer Gibbs is obviously an absolute dog, Jamison Williams wide receiver with a touchdown. One of the favorites to watch this season, Isaac Tesla was in a couple times, which is always kind of fun to see a rookie wide receiver popping in. Aminar St. Brown was a huge conversation because he had an ankle injury in the previous week. He got like zero fantasy points and he's on like at least 15 of my teams. So that was painful for me. But they checked in before the game. He was running routes. Like it literally looked like he didn't have any pain. And so I'm curious like, did he actually not have any pain or does he have the switch? Because like I know as a gymnast, I had a switch where I was like, you know what? The pain doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. So I'm hoping that he's like actually okay. And then it was like a little ankle roll and everything's fine.

Speaker 22:38

Just got a little uh steroid shot on the butt real quick, and he was fine.

Speaker 2 22:45

Yeah. I also think that one thing that it feels like a little bit of a bummer from this game is I do like the idea of Dak Prescott's name being in the MVP conversation. I think he's just doing a phenomenal job this season. I think their offense is doing a phenomenal job, even in this game to put 30 points up on the Lions is fantastic. And so I it's a little bit of a bummer just to know that like that conversation is going to probably minimize a little bit, not saying it's going away, but I like what Dak's doing. I like the way he responds to other teams. He seems like a stand-up guy. So I'm like rooting for him to have success, not against my team, but like in life.

Speaker 23:31

I like that. I will reiterate one of the most consistent players on the Dallas Cowboys because day in, day out, he's also just a dog and he's doing things. That's our kicker, Brandon Aubrey, on Thursday night football during that game. He was five for five. He broke a record for 60 plus yards field goals in a season. He's the first player in the NFL history with three 55 plus yard field goals in a single game. He also has more fantasy points this season than Justin Jefferson, Saquon Barkley, Ashton Ginti, and Drank London. If he was in different positions, he would rank as uh quarterback 22, running back 12, wide receiver seven, and tight end two in fantasy. That's just a kicker, guys. When you look at his points, so shout out to him on the Cowboys. He, you know, again, be one of the most consistent players on on the Cowboys team. We love him, protect him at all cost.

Speaker 2 24:37

Uh he was like making his field goal numbers, like these aren't like touchdown and field goals. Like he was kicking field goals from the freaking other end zone.

Speaker 24:48

Yeah, yeah, it's insane.

Speaker 2 24:50

Like he had what, like 49, 48, and 59? Something crazy. Something like that.

Speaker 24:57

You like if when the game's on the line, which is a really good thing that the Cowboys have in him, when the game's on the line, you need to win by a field goal. 99.9% of the time, Brandon Aubrey's locking it down.

Speaker 2 25:07

Yeah, yeah. Other player to note on the Cowboys from that game, Javante Williams, running back for the Cowboys, got his thousandth yard for the season. He's at 1,022 yards after Thursday night's game. He was round two, pick 35 to Denver in 2021. He spent four seasons in Denver and then came over to the Cowboys this season. Last year in Denver, he ran for 513 yards. And now he's at 1,022 so far this year. And I'm really happy for him to go from a 500 yard season to over a thousand yards, and a thousand yards for like running backs and receivers is like a pretty big deal. It like puts you in the upper echelon of receivers and running backs. And so just like hats off to him. And it's really cool. I wanted to see something similar out of Debo with the commanders this year, but obviously the commanders have been having a time. But I love watching a player move and it really be to their benefit. Another player like that. Speaking of the Cowboys, Micah Parsons is in the top five sacks sackers this year. That's um, so a trade, a trade that like went well essentially, is always kind of cool to watch when it goes, when it really works out for the player. And then finally, Jameer Gibbs. I mean, the man's a legend. Also, if you don't follow his girlfriend on TikTok, she's like stunning. She has really, really good game day outfits.

Speaker 26:51

Yeah, she's so pretty. Like she's she's so pretty.

Speaker 2 26:54

Yeah, she's stunning. But Jameer Gibbs ties Barry Sanders with 47 touchdowns in his first three seasons. Somewhere also noted under the age of 24. That's also a record, or at the age of 24, which is just it reminds you that these players are young, but Barry Sanders is like one of the most famous. I mean, I feel like everyone knows who Barry Sanders is. You know, whatever. Oh, yeah. Famous, famous lines of all time. So Jabir Gibbs, go off. That's insane. 47 touchdowns in three years. I I had to like double check that stat because it made me nervous to say it out loud.

Speaker 27:30

Gibbs also has the highest career yards per carry average by a running back with 500 plus rushes attempts, and he's averaging like 5.5 per attempt. So when you think about it, when you're getting five and a half yards every single time you touch the ball, essentially, which is really good.

Speaker 2 27:47

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 27:48

He was spinning. So into our stats episode, guys, we like really we we deep dive into these stats.

Speaker 2 27:53

We do. And we have a guest for our stats episode this week, which we are really excited about. So I just sent her over notes for tomorrow. Should be fun just to have like a different perspective and another person. She knows her stuff. So check in for that on Thursday morning. Okay, let's move on. Do we have two engagements this week? Because you have Drake May and I have Mark Andrews. Wait, did he get in? I didn't did he get engaged? Yeah, it was on Instagram.

Speaker 28:27

I guess you did. I love his girlfriend. His girlfriend's really cute and she like bakes and stuff. She cooks a lot. That's why that's why I follow her.

Speaker 2 28:35

Wait, Drake Mays? Yeah. Yeah, she she is cute. Didn't she come up in the media for like something else recently?

Thursday Night: Lions Edge Cowboys

Speaker 28:45

She was just everyone like trolls her, not trolls her, but everyone's always like commenting on our TikToks, like, protect our boy, like make sure he eats well, make sure he gets enough sleep tonight, like her little MVP candidate. Oh my god. So I think that's why she's been kind of blowing up. But the we got I'm gonna I'm gonna wait because I I cannot wait to talk about Sidur and the Browns. But Drake may, yes, did get engaged.

Speaker 2 29:13

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Speaker 30:35

Oh my gosh, Victoria. Okay, let's let's backtrack first. I posted this video on our Instagram story earlier this this week. When you look at Wags, we talked about a couple of them, we have them on our show a lot. We love the wives and girlfriends, like the supporting roles that they play and these athletes' lives, because like their lives truly would not run without their support and their, you know, all the things that they do. Oh, I feel this is a hard situation for me because I feel like people are dogging on her, and I don't think she knew that it would come to this. But Dylan Gabriel's fiance, I believe her name's like Zoe or something, posts like a game day get ready with me type of video. And she in this video was talking about like how her husband should be starting, and like her captain was like another bears or another Brown's loss, and obviously, you know, Shadur has now taking over QB1 roles over there. And then there was someone that commented, like, maybe you shouldn't be talking about this or whatever. Then she kind of claps back and was like, Well, my man should be starting. You wouldn't know. Everyone in that organization wants my man to start, you wouldn't know because you're not an NFL coach or you're not a player. And that's when everyone lost their minds because they were like, Oh no, did this girl really just say that? So I my opinions were support your man always. But when you are a wife and girlfriend of a player like that, especially a quarterback, you have to have you have to know when to talk and know when to like not say anything about these situations because it can actually be very, very, very hurtful to not only you and your brand, but your husband. Because everyone in that locker room is probably looking at your husband or fiance, I guess I had to say, a little crazy because you're on social media saying some crazy things.

Speaker 2 32:39

Yeah, I think it's interesting. Like his girlfriend is Zoe Caswell. They've been together since high school and they got engaged in 2024. Okay, I feel like everything around the Browns is pretty much a disaster. So she really like stepped on a shit sandwich by accident because Browns fans kind of hate their lives already. And I genuinely think this has nothing to do with her. I also think the clapback that whoever commented knows nothing is a fair point. Like, maybe she's not perfectly correct that everyone in the organization wants him to be the quarterback because if they did, he would be playing. But like the clapback of like, you don't know what's going on in there, you're not a player, you're not in the locker room. Like, honestly, kind of fair point because for all she knows, people are in Dylan's ear telling him you should be playing, and he's telling her. So I don't, I think that this is like misplaced anger on her, which is super unfortunate. I do think you're right that, like, once you go into the like, she's gonna learn a big lesson here just about when to talk and when not to, but somebody that I think is outspoken and does it well is Allison Cooch. And she's known for saying whatever she wants and being unfiltered about it. So I think that now Zo has the opportunity to do two things one to be kind of funny, not care, lean into it. If she's funny enough, like I don't think that I'm funny enough to lean into it like that. But if she is, she has an opportunity. She's given herself a platform now, which she didn't have before. Is she a genius? Are we talking about the Browns when we weren't going to?

Speaker 34:44

You already have a platform though, because you we like all these wives and girlfriends, especially when you are the wife and girlfriend of a quarterback, a starting quarterback at that, you already have a little bit of a platform, but I kind of see where you're going. The only issue I have with it is you can be outspoken, but I do not like people being outspoken at the cost of putting down other people. And there was, it wasn't explicitly said, but everyone can put two and two together that obviously she believes that Dylan Gabriel, her man, is better than Shadir Sanders. Point blank, period. And that's why she thinks Dylan Gabriel should be starting because who else is gonna be starting on the Browns? Nobody. Maybe they're both a little Dululu, because I mean, I don't know about y'all, but I'm gonna give y'all some stats about how well Sugar has been playing as of recently. But I don't know. It's it's it's a tricky situation for me because I again will always support people that I think should be supportive of their man. And I'm the first one to know be the biggest cheerleader of that. But at the same time, you have to know be smart enough to know what and what to say in the media and what not to say in the media. And on top of that, you're talking about Shadur Sanders. It's always such a big sensitive topic right now. Like you just threw more fuel on a nuclear bomb, so it couldn't have been any more of a worse time.

Speaker 2 36:24

Okay, so really the the main issue is that she told someone, you're not in the locker room, so you don't know, and then the internet blew up.

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Speaker 36:32

Well, she also Is there anything that I'm missing? She also said, like, there was the TikTok video of like the get ready with me, the caption was another Browns loss, and people were like kind of upset about that because it's like, yeah, the Browns are losing, but the Browns are losing when your man was playing as well. I don't I need to go back and watch the video. Yeah, I don't know if she explicitly said any more commentary. I think she might have said a couple more commentary in that video about her sentiments on the Browns right now. Yeah, but again, I just think she should have kept her mouth shut.

Speaker 2 37:11

Maybe this is our agree to disagree episode. Uh, this is sassy. Like, I don't think that she didn't know what she was doing because the I'm looking it up on TikTok right now. The caption is Browns lost what's new, crying emoji, and the comments are turned off. So I think she turned off the comments after the fact. But I think her saying we lost and my man needs to go back in. I also okay, I also kind of feel like this is a fundamental hatred on women because no, but Giovanna, Giovanna, listen, listen. If a man goes into work who's a Browns fan, has been a Browns fan forever and says, We suck, nothing, nothing happened. Like, also, she only has 10,000 followers on Instagram and 24.4 on TikTok, but I don't think she had that many before this. Like, I don't know what the range is, but it was salty, it was salty for sure. But I just like I don't know. I don't know. I think people freaked out for no reason. I'd be salty if my man got put in and taken out, too.

Speaker 38:22

Yeah, because he was playing bad.

Speaker 2 38:23

Yeah, because he's playing.

Speaker 38:24

It would be different. It would be different. I think the issue I have is like she's she's being salty, and she's like, everyone in the building wants him to play, but you wouldn't know that. And she's saying all these things, but it it it was like Dylan Gabriel was leading the Browns at the Super Bowl. And again, no, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 2 38:43

Yeah, it's like it's like, yeah, they're losing, but they were they've been losing the whole time. So it doesn't really matter which one's in.

Speaker 38:49

Yeah, when your man was playing, and again, when you are in, and maybe this is just how I think like if you're in a position where you are looked at as a role model, you have a big platform, and you are in a position where, quite frankly, a lot of girls want to be. There has to be some sort of example you set. And I don't think being overly confident in your man's abilities and wanting him to like play on top of the fact that we're talking about your competitor and Shigura Sanders, who's already been a sensitive topic, I just think it was a miscalculation on her part, and I don't think it shouldn't have it, shouldn't have blown up as much as it is, and I don't think she should have I think she should have had more looked at the situation better because it it's it's just bad, and it's just it's bad in my opinion. I don't think it's a shade on woman by no means. I I think it's just bad, it's bad.

Speaker 2 39:46

But moving on, moving on. Okay, I am scrolling through her feed though, and she's never really commented on anything game related until now, and so I think maybe this was like a little bit of an emotions-driven post, and now she probably regrets it. But yeah, big time.

Speaker 40:08

I mean, I would regret it too. Like, do you know how embarrassing that is for your man too? Like, cause now, anyways, anyways, I'm I'm I digress, yeah.

Speaker 2 40:18

I think also like if the caption wasn't there, it wouldn't be that much of a problem, but the caption. Is what really set set the ship to sink. Like, if she's just done the TikTok without the caption, but you know what? These girls are also young. Like, I guess they're your age, but I like they're young. Like 24 is pretty young. Like, you're trying, like, just throwing spaghetti at the wall at this point.

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Speaker 40:41

I mean, I look at girls like Brooklyn Adams and a lot of girls that we've interviewed, Allie Rage really, like the people that we've interviewed on the show. And I know opinions that they could have so many opinions that are controversial, but for the sake of their family and for the sake of their partner, they're more than likely not going to be sharing those opinions because they know that it could somebody is gonna have something to say about it. So I don't know. Okay, but I want to talk about Shadur Sanders because unlike Dylan Gabriel, he has been playing very well. They lost to the Titans. This game was actually very important to me because Titans quarterback Cam Ward was number one overall in this draft class. Obviously, you know, Shadur Sanders did fall. He was supposed to go top 10, but clearly did not. Shadur Sanders has more 300-yard passing games than Drake May. Our MVP favorable candidate, Shadur Sanders, has more passing yards than Drake May. The comparison between Cam Ward and uh Shadur Sanders and that Titans Browns matchup, Shadur completed 23 out of 42, Cam completed 14 out of 28. Shadur had 365 yards, Cam Ward 117 total touchdowns. Shadur had four, Cam had two. They both each threw one interception in that game. But the deciding factor, to the point conversion, the Browns decide to call a Wildcat play. And a Wildcat play is essentially a trick play. Yeah. It's a trick play that's used in in certain situations, especially like a two-point conversion. You're trying to get people, you're trying to get in the end zone, right? If they got that two-point conversion, I believe they either would have tied or won the game, but they didn't. And it's interesting because Shadur Sanders was not on the field during that play. Kevin Savansky took Shadur Sanders out. Your quarterback and the biggest play of the game took him out and he was on the sidelines. Obviously, like most news outlets, they asked Shadur Sanders about it in a press conference. Shadur was very graceful about it and was like, hey, you know, that's what my coach called. And uh I don't really have anything else to say about it. But today, everyone is looking at Savansky a little bit sideways.

Speaker 2 43:04

It's I think it's a bummer for Shadur, knowing that he is putting up numbers and losing like that. Because unfortunately, if your team is just losing, losing, losing, you get lumped into that, which is exactly what we were talking about with Travis Kelsey. And you were kind of considering for Travis Kelsey's like, is this gonna smudge his record? Because it doesn't look good on Shador, even though he's essentially performing.

Speaker 43:28

Well, you wouldn't, you would never have guessed that Shadur Sanders, I mean, unless you're just looking at stats all the time. But the fact that Shadur Sanders is is playing on a certain caliber similarly to Drake May, it is just crazy to even think about it because he's on you know this Browns team. So Browns they go down, they score a touchdown in the fourth quarter on this drive.

Speaker 2 43:52

Yep, and it was gonna tie the game, right?

Speaker 43:54

The touchdown, the fourth touchdown, they were 31-23. Actually, have a shout out to Harold Fannon because he's been a really, really phenomenal player for the Browns right now.

Speaker 2 44:05

Oh, the two-point conversion would have tied the game.

Speaker 44:08

The two-point conversion would have tied the game, which was that Wildcat play that I was just uh kind of explaining. I'm still trying to see who's lined up. But I mean, a lot of times you put running backs under center.

Speaker 2 44:19

I feel like your team is a mess. Like, why are you getting someone else to throw the ball? You've already had 97 people throwing the ball. Your entire story this season is about your quarterback room being an entire bus full of adults. What is going on?

Speaker 44:33

Not only that, but the fact that Shadur threw for over 300 yards that game, and you you didn't trust him enough to fit finish that game. Like, that's crazy to me. Like, that's the round. I don't know, y'all need to like y'all need to get in the circle and have a come to Jesus meeting because whatever mojo is going on in that locker room right now in that organization is not working. And I bet Shadur wants that one back.

Speaker 2 45:02

Yeah, one of the funny things about Shador, I feel like, is when you expect Shador to have nothing to say, he has something to say. And when he should have something to say, he says nothing. It's it's almost like it's like when he feels like safe, like there's like there's nothing to say. He looks at something a little crazy, and you're like, oh, okay, okay, sneak that in there. And then when something crazy happens, he's like, you know, if my coach is one.

Speaker 45:30

Yeah. He's the first Browns quarterback with 300 plus pass yards, two pass touchdowns, and one rush touchdown. Rookie quarterbacks with that same stat line in a single game have only been Shitter Sanders and Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 45:46

So I'm just saying, who's that in the beginning of the season?

Speaker 45:51

You did say it.

Speaker 2 45:53

I did say it. I did call it. I did call this one.

Speaker 45:59

Yeah, okay. My last stat about him. The Browns quarterback with at least 700 passing yards and five passing touchdowns and their first three career stats. It's just Shader Sanders. He's the only one.

Speaker 2 46:12

And he hasn't even been playing for the whole season. He's played like he's played like what five games maybe? Like, I feel like it's in my head, it's three. This was his third game. I know he's done more than that, but okay, he's on a four-year, 4.6 million dollar rookie contract with a 447, $380 signing bonus with a prime equity clause for revenue from his NIL slash merchandise.

Speaker 46:39

Yeah, which again, I think that's why.

Speaker 2 46:42

Because this is technically a pay cut for him.

Speaker 46:45

Yes, it's he's he's he's balling out. He got taken out of the last play that could have he could have been a hero ball. There's already been a bunch of comments about how this coach doesn't really want him to be there and want him to play, and then you put the Don Gabriel Fiona situation into it. It's it's like it's such a sensitive situation. But I am I am proud of Shadur. I really am. And what was a sweet moment for me is seeing Dion and this, like you could just tell he was just a proud dad. Like outside of who Dion is, he was just proud to see his son kind of overcoming all the adversity and just going out there and playing. So that was really sweet to see.

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Speaker 2 47:29

I mean, is it not a little crazy that once the media started to shut the hell up about Shadur that he started playing well?

Speaker 47:35

I mean, I didn't give him a chance, but I think again, I think there's always gonna be hate on Shadur. I think it's inevitable. It's just because of who Shadur is. I mean, there's there's hate on Aaron Rodgers, there's hate on Joe, like there's always gonna be hate on these guys, but Shadur definitely more than usual. And I think I but I think he had to have had this moment because I don't think if there wasn't as much pressure and there wasn't as much of a hard path for him entering the NFL, he wouldn't have the tip on his shoulder and he wouldn't have been playing out of his mind and playing to the standard he's been playing right now. So I think everything happens for a reason.

Speaker 2 48:11

I think maybe you don't know, you know, we don't know.

Speaker 48:15

Yes, but I think when you pressure makes diamonds, and I think when you Titter was already a diamond, but I think this whole situation was a really big learning lesson for him.

Speaker 2 48:24

But why didn't Drake May have to go through this? Why did Drake May just get to like pretty boy it up?

Speaker 48:29

Because Drake May didn't have Deion Sanders as a dad.

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Speaker 2 48:33

Well, let's talk about a new team. It was also about to do it all day, but I'm glad that he's playing well. I'm glad the media shut the hell up because I don't want to hear any more white men over the age of 60 talking shit on him anymore. And that's me getting fired up for the day, and now we're gonna reel it in. Bucks, Saints.

Speaker 48:53

I didn't watch this game.

Speaker 2 48:54

It was a need to win for the Bucs, and they did not win.

Speaker 48:57

I can't believe the Bucs lost. That's all I can say.

Speaker 2 49:00

Okay. Question for you. Knowing that the Bucs lost to the Saints, and it was 24 to 20, so it was a close game. Do you think that this is creating a runway for the one and only Carolina Panthers to continue their winning streak?

Speaker 49:27

Hey, I'm I'm all for the Panthers. What's interesting to me about that game is the Saints are not even in playoff contention, like they're eliminated, and the Bucks are very much still in. So embarrassing for y'all, because we all know how bad the Saints have been in the in the last oof. Anyways, but embarrassing, very embarrassing for Bucks and Major Bayfield and the talent that you have in that team. I very much do think that this is creating land for the Panthers. I'm all for the Panthers. I think after this bye week, they're gonna have get this the Panthers play the Saints, and then the next week they play the Bucks. So this might this might get real interesting.

Speaker 2 50:11

Yeah, because they go, well, it's crazy though, because they also go Saints, Bucks, Seahawks, Bucks.

Speaker 50:20

So Oh, if the Bucks play the Falcons, yeah.

Speaker 2 50:23

So they'll probably both be in this in a same, like assuming that the Panthers can beat the Saints and that the Bucks can beat the Falcons, because it would take something kind of crazy for that not to happen on both sides, but they're both going to be coming off of a win, so they're both gonna be kind of hot.

Speaker 50:39

So the Panthers currently in the NFC are ninth. The Bucks are currently fourth. The Panthers being wedged between Dallas and the Lions, and then the Bears are right there is so interesting to me. Like the oh my gosh, the NFC is a toss-like. Actually, believe it or not, the NFC changed a lot from last week to this week. Last week the Bears were atop of the NFC, but this week they fell to seven, all the way to the bottom after that loss to the Packers. So now the Rams are atop the NFC, followed by the Packers, Eagles, like I said, Bucks, Seahawks, 49ers. So it's it's it's hard. It's literally in any given Sunday because it could change upside down next week. You just can't predict what's gonna happen in the NFC right now. So to go back to your main point of the Panthers, the Bucks losing to the Saints definitely might have created an avenue. As it stands, currently, too, the Giants have the number one pick in next year's draft since the Titans won.

Speaker 2 51:41

Wow. That's crazy. Damn. Well, very interesting stuff in the football world.

Speaker 51:50

I will mention briefly two games that was interesting. Well, really, one game that was interesting too. No, two. Vikings, after getting blown out last week by the Seahawks, 26 to nothing, turn around, beat the commanders, 31 to nothing. I was like, oh don't worry, guys. You think Justin Jefferson had a good game? No. Three fantasy points again.

Speaker 2 52:15

That is that is the saddest story in football.

Speaker 52:17

I've literally lost me my like fantasy this year. Like, I've not I'm not even, I just lost my playoff first round of playoffs because he had three points. But he was really nice. We talked about this last week, you know, his character, he was really nice. He got asked about it in the press conference, and he literally was like, you know, I just want to win football games, and if we're winning, you know, obviously, my involvement is I would like, but he literally quote, I'd rather win and not get the ball than lose and not get the ball. So I was like, you know what? Real.

Speaker 2 52:51

Real. Yeah, we like him.

Speaker 52:53

We do like him.

Speaker 2 52:54

I hope he, I hope he goes somewhere new. Okay, yeah, that was crazy. Zero points to 31 points. Okay.

Speaker 53:02

Yeah, there was a stat line about that too. And then the other game that I'll mention is the Ravens and Steelers game. And it's only because it was family affair. Lamar Jackson hasn't been playing that well and did not play like Lamar Jackson in this game. But one of the interceptions he threw was by his cousin. His cousin picked off Lamar Jackson. It was cornerback James Pierre. Apparently, they're related. So people in the comments are talking about like, oh, that's gonna be interesting Christmas dinner.

Speaker 2 53:36

Yeah, that's super, but he's never gonna live that down, which I kind of love for them. Oh my gosh. Okay, I have an ins and outs list for us to close out the week. Inns. I saw three to four guardian caps on the field, and guess what? Nobody's saying anything about it or calling them weird. So everyone put one on. So I I think my auto-correct corrected whoever the name was because I I don't know what this is, but multiple Guardian caps on the field. Inns, Lions, Bills, and Texans and Mark Andrews engagement. Outs, bad ref calls because there was a really controversial call in the Ravens game.

Speaker 54:30

Oh my gosh, I forgot to talk about this.

Speaker 2 54:32

Yes, because and so then I was like, I gotta double check these rules. So Ravens player catches it in the end zone, and then essentially two to two and one eighth to two and a half feet go down, and the ball is dropped. So what constitutes as a catch in the end zone, control of the ball, two feet or body parts down inbounds, and a football move. So he had two feet down, control of the ball while his two feet were down, and the football move, which can be taking a third step, tucking the ball, reaching for the goal line, showing the ability to do so, proving the player established themselves as a runner after securing possession. So it's like to me, it looked very much like two feet down and then forward progress and then drop, but his third foot did not touch the ground. So I can understand why they called it not, but a lot of people are really upset about it. What do you think? Well, okay, because you've watched more of these than I have, so I'm really curious to hear your opinion.

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Speaker 55:44

It's actually funny because this morning, hearing people talk about it, they were playing the uh Des Bryant catch. I mean, if you don't know, a couple of years ago, Des Bryant on the Cowboys had a catch, and it was a huge deal. Whether he caught it or not, he didn't catch it, and I'll stand by that. But I have two things. I'm gonna kind of negate myself. Looking at this play, you don't have to have three feet. You only need to have two feet, but it's also you have to look at the order. I feel like the refs call it by you have to have clear control of the ball, then two feet inbounds. When you look at receivers and like textbook, like catching the ball in the end zone, they're typically there's they're taught to pull it into your body. If you look at that play, he was still kind of holding it out, which is why the defender was able to punch it from him. But by rule, in my opinion, it was a touchdown because he had two feet and it was in his hands and he caught it. That was a touchdown. However, after watching it this morning and hearing some other people talk about it, Cam Newton said something without unreasonable doubt when it comes to these big plays. And I feel like that's really key when you look at the situation. You have to give the refs unlike there should be no doubt in their minds that this is a touchdown in those situations. And I feel like that's kind of why it was a 50-50 chance either way to get called. So unfortunately, do I think it should have been a touchdown personally? Yes. However, I can see both sides of the spectrum and how it like was eventually not ruled as a touchdown. I also don't know if ruling that touchdown was going to be the end-all be-all for this game, you know, resulting if it was a win or a loss for the Ravens or not. That's kind of the other issue I have because it's like, okay, what if it was rule touchdown? Y'all still might have lost. I don't know.

Speaker 2 57:39

But I think this is one of the things with football and football fandom and listening to sports broadcasting in general, is that people put a lot of weight on very specific small moments in a game and act like nothing else matters. Where it's like, you know, if there's a last kick that was for the game and he lost it, then he lost the game, which in some ways is like true, but also like, okay, well, if your team just did better, then you wouldn't have lost and you wouldn't have been in this situation anyway. So it's hard, but the end score was 22 to 27 with the Steelers winning. So it definitely would have changed the game. We can't say that this definitely would have won it because nothing is that definitive because you don't know. Yeah. But this it's not like it was a blowout and this touchdown didn't matter. Like this touchdown did matter, or the not touchdown did matter in in the end of result of the game. So that was really interesting. But I think we've just heard a lot of like a lot of bad ref calls over the last couple weeks. Like every single game, I feel like there's been multiple calls where people are just like, what is happening? Yeah. Also, I kind of hate the idea of like going to New York because why do I feel like New York has men in their basements?

Speaker 59:05

No, I feel like they're little gremlins, like making decisions, like their computer is like, ooh, it's the same thing with like Vegas, like New York and Vegas, like why also like who chose these cities? Like, why does it have to be New York and Vegas?

Speaker 2 59:20

Yeah, I'm like, I'm always like, okay, this is so dramatic. Like, I mean, I guess for consistency, but like we don't even know who these guys are. If they were like over to Tom and John, but like who are these people? Are they interns? Who's Tom? Who's John? Yeah, like how long have they been working here? Are they qualified? Yeah, like because if if I could pick who's in New York, it'd be women. And because you know women can suss stuff out very well. We're we are all in the FBI for for all I know.

Speaker 59:49

And so I would have given them a touchdown. I would have given them the touchdown.

Speaker 2 59:54

Maybe instead of having it be New York, we should have it be the revamp of the girls' room. And then every single time there is, you know, a play or whatever they have to review, and then they say, let's go to the girls' room. And then they show the women deciding so we can get some evidence on why they're making the calls they're making. Because you know what? This is what I think it is. I think it's a deflection so that people don't get mad at refs or at public figures in the stadium. Oh, yeah. And so they put it behind closed doors because of the potential backlash.

Speaker 1:00:29

That's actually a good point.

Speaker 2 1:00:30

Because these people probably would be the most hated people. And I don't want to be at the wrath of any NFL team, any NFL fandom. Like the can you imagine entire Eagles, what do they call it? Eagles Kingdom? Eagles.

Speaker 1:00:45

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:00:46

That's so dramatic. Eagles Kingdom.

Speaker 1:00:49

I know. I also no, it's actually, I never thought about it from that standpoint, but it's actually so true because they don't want to, they don't want to have a face or a name associated with these calls.

Speaker 2 1:01:00

They just want it to be like the refs or like under further review, like from who?

Speaker 1:01:05

Somebody is crazy enough to literally like threaten your life.

Speaker 2 1:01:09

Yeah, because people are insane and people are so diehard for the NFL and like some people without the ability to detach from it, which is problematic. Yeah.

Speaker 1:01:21

But that's the same thing with gambling too.

Speaker 2 1:01:24

Yeah, like I would not want that job. But I I now understand because this whole time I've been like, I hate this. And now after this combo, I'm like, I actually understand. Because when we disagree with their calls, nothing happens to anyone. Which probably for safety reasons, keeping it ambiguous isn't the worst idea. But I would love to know that there are women in that room. Could we get a retired person from that room? Have you guys know anybody that works in New York? They signed an NDA. Yeah, they definitely did. But somebody's might be up. Well, I guess I don't know how new New York is. Oh my gosh. Okay, we gotta move on. Okay, outs the Chiefs. Travis declined press this weekend. He looked real sad. Real sad.

Speaker 1:02:10

Which oh my gosh, Victoria, I literally I heard your voice in in my head as I was watching this game. And what are you when I was talking about Travis dropping the ball? Yes, yes, he was on yes, he was on the sideline and his eyes were closed. He was like, All I heard was your voice in my head, and almost like, oh my gosh. But we literally talked about this. We called it. That's why they're on the outs because we called that. We knew that going into this matchup, the Texans defense, we're going to shut him down.

Speaker 2 1:02:46

This is like another thing that I have with like sports in general, and the way people talk about sports, is like they'll be like, like the choice of when to listen to stats and when not to, because they'll be like, Well, the Chiefs are gonna win out because it's the Chiefs. And it's like, okay, but if you looked at any numbers, and then if you bring up numbers, then they're like, Well, it's just it's just how it is. But then if you bring up another team and you're like, Well, if I'm like, I just vibe with the Panthers, they're like, Well, do you know the stats? And I'm like, which one is it, Joey? Which one?

Speaker 1:03:15

No, it's like every single comment on our TikTok, like literally this one man who I would like to add, I looked at his bio, has Christ lover and like man of the in their bio, and he literally commented tax podcast equipment when all I said is that the Broncos are 10 and 2, and every single time they've been 10 and 2, they've made it to Zuble Bowl. There was no opinion in that because there was zero opinion in that, and he said tax podcast equipment. I said, We need to tax people commenting hate on TikTok when you have Christ Lover in your bio. Like that's insane.

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Speaker 2 1:03:52

Find a new hobby, find a new hobby, but thank you for the engagement. Um okay, the rest of my outs list, the bucks. I know people love Baker, but like you guys, come on, come on, get it together down there. You weren't even you weren't even playing in the snow, so I'm not sure. Outs. This one's sad. Snowy bee.

Speaker 1:04:25

Victoria, you are killing me right now. You guys, come on! Snowy B. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 1:04:34

I can't take credit for that one. I think one of the announcers said it, and I I'll never forget it. Wait, you know what would be a really hot couple?

Speaker 1:04:44

What?

Speaker 2 1:04:45

Joe Burrow and Sabrina Carpenter.

Speaker 1:04:48

Oh my gosh, did you hear that Jackson Dart slid into Alex Earl's DMs?

Speaker 2 1:04:52

Not surprised. Isn't Alex Earl like my age? Like, isn't she like 30?

Speaker 1:04:56

No, she's like my she's like 24. Like she's my age. Yeah, she just graduated college not too long ago. She went to you. Dude, that is she was dating, she was dating this guy named Braxton Berrios who's in the NFL. Apparently they've broken up now. It's been this huge thing as of lately. Honestly, if I was Jackson Dart, I might do. And he slid into her deal and it's like, hey, are you single now? It'd be kind of hot together.

Speaker 2 1:05:21

Alex or all parties in Miami hours after Braxton Berrios breakup. Also, who's Braxton Berrios?

Speaker 1:05:27

No, yeah. He used to play for the Dolphins and now plays for the Texans.

Speaker 2 1:05:31

Does he like play though? Mm-hmm. Wow, well, that's crazy. Um, these are from one day ago. So if Jackson Dart was sliding in, it was come on, Jax. Pretty soon. Come on. Pretty soon. Come on. Oh my. Alex Earl addresses Jackson Dart DM rumor e-news one hour ago. Let's go. Okay. Jackson Dart reached out to her after Braxton Barrios breakup. Alex Earl called people out for posting a fake Photoshop DM, supposedly showing Giant Slayer messaging her, throwing a flag on the latest rumor. What is this fake Photoshop DM you guys are posting on her Instagram story, December 1 or December 7th? One never that never happened. Two, that wouldn't be on my story. Honestly, that's true. That's enough to negate it for me. But like honestly, if Jackson Dort doesn't slide in, now he's missing an opportunity.

Speaker 1:06:31

When I saw it, it was like her close friend story. That's why I kind of believed it. Because like it was somebody, somebody that screenshotted it from her close friends story. I I I wouldn't hate that. I like I wouldn't hate that.

Speaker 2 1:06:43

I I mean they'd be caught. Crazy. It'd be crazy to watch him come up while she's if you listen to him. I listened to Victoria Beckham the other day on Call Her Daddy, and Victoria Beckham was very famous dating David Beckham before David Beckham was massively famous. So Jackson Dart's already massively famous, but he hasn't had his like career success yet. So is it a Victoria Beckham David Beckham? I don't know. Okay, my last out, and then we should go because we're long today, is sadly Davy Jones. And uh it hurts, but it was good while it lasted. It was good while I honestly still kind of believe in the Colts.

Speaker 1:07:27

Oh I mean the Colts I'm gonna save my I'm gonna save this for the star episode. Remind me to tell you.

Speaker 2 1:07:36

Okay. Yeah, the Colts I they they still have a good thing going. We'll see. Okay, what are we doing?

Speaker 1:07:47

What I said, I'm so excited for our stats episode now.

Speaker 2 1:07:51

Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be fun. You're gonna destroy my love for the Colts, aren't you? I guess we'll find out, but we do have a Colts girl on on Friday. Okay, that's all we have. Love you bye.

Speaker 1:08:02

Maybe you a patty, baby. You gotta own it on a styling grace.

Speaker 2 1:08:12

You better own it on a