27. Hot Takes & Hotter Matchups: 4 Downs in Stats Town from Week 15 in the NFL

Two hosts put numbers first and chase the truth behind the hottest storylines: Lawrence’s historic night, Allen’s rescue acts, Nakua’s ascent, and why the NFC West may decide the NFC. We push back on stale narratives, interrogate turf vs grass, and unpack Miami’s audacious QB switch.

• Lawrence’s six-touchdown masterpiece and Jets context
• Allen’s clutch profile vs defensive leaks
• Puka Nakua leading all-time yards per game
• Dak’s yardage lead and MVP snub debate
• NFC West seeding stakes and schedule edges
• Narratives to retire about Chiefs, Eagles, Jaguars, Texans
• ACL trends, turf vs grass injury risk
• Mahomes surgery notes and Brady parallels
• Dolphins bench Tua for Quinn Ewers and why timing matters
• Coach of the Year cases for Vrabel, Cohen, Johnson
• MVP odds entering Week 16 and what decides it

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Transcript

Cold Open & Welcome Back

SPEAKER_05 0:04

You want to play baby games, the games, the games, the games, the games, games, games, games, I'm Victoria. I'm James.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

The game's on. Welcome back to another episode of your favorite football podcast by the girls for everyone, the game. We are on our four downs in Stats Town. Stats episode after week 15 in the NFL, going into week 16. Playoff pictures are coming into some clarity. We're in the phase where everyone says teams can get a little help. So they have to win out, but they also need 19 teams to lose and someone to tie and all of that. So we'll go into some of that craze throughout the next couple of weeks. But we're gonna be hanging out today talking some numbers. So let's just get into it. First down, the stat king, who's dominating right now. Giovanna, take it away.

Setting The Stats Agenda

Lawrence’s Historic Six-TD Showcase

SPEAKER_05 1:17

Yeah, this one's kind of an interesting one that to highlight this week. Trevor Lawrence and the Jacksonville Jaguars have been doing their Dougie lately. Trevor Lawrence has a their Dougie doing their Dougie. That was a good comparison. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. Um, but Trevor Lawrence had not a good game for him, but the best game in NFL history. Nobody has ever thrown for 300 plus passing yards, had five passing touchdowns, had 50 plus rushing yards, and also had a rush touchdown, which in total six total touchdowns, and again, that crazy stat line. So nobody in the NFL has ever done that. So Trevor Lawrence and the Jacksonville Jaguars did absolutely amazing. And I think they've been kind of rising to the cream of the crop in the NFL right now. However, I would be remiss if I didn't mention the team that they were playing against when they had this incredible stat line, was unfortunately the New York Jets, who, you know, have been really terrible. Obviously, they fire their defensive coordinator because their defense has ranked really at the bottom in the league this year. So I don't know, it's interesting because, like, yes, it's an amazing stat line, but again, it would be remiss if you didn't mention a team that they were playing against.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Okay, here's why I feel like there's not as much of an asterisk though, as we're noting is the Jets still scored 20 points on them. So this was not the Jets' worst game or worst performance, offense or defense. Well, I guess defense-wise, it is because they got scored on 48 points. But it's not like the Jets were absolutely trash, like they weren't good, but they still scored 20 points, which a lot of other games didn't score that many points. And like if the Jags, the Jags are 10 and 4. So the Jags defense is doing something right. So the fact that the Jets scored 20 on the Jags, it was just a really high-scoring game. So I feel like there is an asterisk, but it's like a gray asterisk, not like a black asterisk.

The Josh Allen Duct Tape Theory

SPEAKER_05 3:18

I would agree with that. Um it's like it's there, but it's not, it's not fully transparent yet. So Sean Trevor Lawrence, he's done some amazing things. And actually, I saw something that when it comes to like total touchdowns in a game, him and Josh Allen are like the top two quarterbacks that have, you know, had a really good game with a lot of total touchdowns. Speaking of Josh Allen, Josh Allen is 4-0 when his defense allows 31 points this season.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

No, this is so crazy.

SPEAKER_05 3:47

It's literally insane. And I'm sure everyone is very aware of, especially if you listen to this podcast, because I talk about it all the time. But Josh Allen and his and the Bills team overall, if you take Josh Allen out of the equation, the Bills would probably be one of the dare I say worst teams in the league right now. But because you have Josh Allen, yeah, he's just been he's just been killing it. So when Buffalo allows 31 plus points, Allen has thrown for 1,351 yards and 17 total touchdowns. The Bills have allowed 185 plus yards rushing six times a season, but the Bills are still four and two in those games. So if they're overcoming these deficits in dominant fashion, and it primarily is the reason because you have Josh Allen, and I saw something else that that said like this team is literally being held together by duct tape, and that duct tape is Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

I feel like I kind of hate the like storyline that Josh Allen is like the best from behind. Like, why can't you just be good all the time? Like, why can't why are you why are you only good in clutch situations? Which I think is also like my why I don't like watching the Chiefs. It's like if you can only win when it's like really hot, then like what's going wrong? Why can't you make a play just to make a play? Like, why do you have to do something nice only when your girlfriend asks you to do something nice instead of just doing something nice?

SPEAKER_05 5:19

Yeah, it's like one of those things that's like uh and Josh Josh even said it himself in a press conference. He was like, I love the competitiveness and I love when you know my opponent is kind of like giving me a challenge because that's when I'm like rising to the occasion. I think I do think there's something to be said about like maybe starting off the game that way. However, though you have to you can't forget that there is a whole team around him and a lot of these things. I mean, even if in their last game against the Patriots, like the Bills defense didn't start off the gruntus, but then they kind of made adjustments and they finished the game and were able to kind of keep Jake May at bay. And I mean, he had two rushing touchdowns in that beginning of the game. And so obviously, again, the the Bills defense had to make adjustments and they were able to, you know, fix some of their problems. But you know, it's one of those things where you you have to look at the whole team. And that's why I hate this conversation because, like, yes, it's an incredible feat that like, and I'll be the first person to like lay down like Josh Allen, yes, you are so respected, but it shouldn't have to be always Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

Yeah, yeah, I agree. And also, I've been saying all season like a win's a win. So I can't really be like, well, you only win when you're behind, like, that's so annoying of me. Um, I did see this is not a stat line, but I did see a comment on somewhere on social media that was like, if this is what Josh Allen can do against the Patriots now, imagine once he has dad strength. And I was like, honestly, facts.

SPEAKER_05 6:50

Honestly, facts. And that's, I don't know, that I'm so excited for this year's playoffs because how special would it be for Josh Allen to have the MVP caliber season he had find out that his wife, Haley Seinfeld, is expecting and then won a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

Well, and he got married this year, and he got yeah, he did get married, yeah. So married, they got pregnant fast. MVP married, pregnant, and super bowl. I mean, even getting to the Super Bowl for the Bills would be insane, and then winning the Super Bowl and winning MVP. We're talking like Cinderella story on the Colts, but really, like, that's the Cinderella story if that happens.

SPEAKER_06 7:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

Honestly, I don't think anybody on any team would be like mad if that happened.

SPEAKER_05 7:39

No, because like he's just such a likable guy. Yeah, he's just it may be well deserving. Yeah. And I feel like this is the year for him to win the Super Bowl, especially when you look at other opponents like his kryptonite, Patrick Mahomes, counterpart, you know, not making the playoffs, and Lamar Jackson might not be in there either. So yeah. Could be interesting.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

I don't want to see what's happening to the Lions this year happen to the Bills next year, where they were so high, so hot, killing it in the playoffs, like insane season, high expectations. And this year they just haven't been able to keep up with last year's production. And I would, I would rather see Josh Allen win the Super Bowl this year, and then whatever happens next year happens, but they still have the ring than have like a Lions situation where everything was going well. Jared Goff was playing like an MVP candidate and then like doesn't make it through. So I hope for Josh's sake that even if they don't go to the Super Bowl, they at least manage to stay where they are, or maybe bring in, draft some new players that could give Josh a little more help so that he's not putting his baby and his team on his back.

Puka Nakua Tops Yards Per Game

SPEAKER_05 8:54

Yeah, I figured I'm really higher on the on the on the bills to see if I win a Super Bowl. I'm a little biased because I do have Josh Allen on my fantasy, and you know, winning my fantasy league might give me a little money to go to the Super Bowl and see Josh Allen. So okay, continuing on with our first down, spotlighting players that are dominating the league right now. Puka Nakula, talked about him multiple times already. He actually just surpassed Justin Jefferson in the category of averaging the most receiving yards per game in NFL history. Um, he's averaging about 93.7 yards per game, receiving yards per game. Justin Jefferson is at 90.8. And then in third, you have Jamar Chase, 87.6. No surprises there. Um look at these top three. I mean, uh, somebody that I think should be on this list might be like Jackson Smith and Njidva, but he's not up there in terms of like the overall average, which I think is attributed to because he's kind of on a new offense this season that's really pass-heavy. And so that's why he's just been getting a lot of love this season and not overall. But it's interesting because is it the decline of Justin Jefferson that kind of pushed Puka Nakua to the top? And I'd say decline not because of his ability as a player, but just because of the situation, yeah, on the Vikings. But did Puka Nakua slide up there because of the environment that Justin Jefferson is in? Or did Puka Nakua slide up there because he's just been that dominant? Which I think it's a little bit of both.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

I think it's a little bit of both. Is this stat line all time? So any game they've been active in, or is the stat line this season?

SPEAKER_05 10:35

Most, I'm pretty sure it's it's at all time because the fourth and fifth players are players that don't play in the NFL anymore.

SPEAKER_02 10:42

Okay, yeah. So then it kind of makes sense that, like, I mean, it's crazy that Justin Jefferson hasn't slid further down this list, actually, when we talk about it like that, because what he got, like four yards a couple games ago. Like, that's a bit, and obviously a four-yard game is gonna take you from you know, yards per game. Like we're in the 90s. If you have a four-yard game, that's gonna drop you a ton.

SPEAKER_05 11:03

Yeah, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

I think that like Justin Jefferson out of the equation. Obviously, the stat shows that Puka needs to be there, but he's so dominant. Like, I think that even if Justin was playing, this would still be a battle at the top because Puka is one of the best wide receivers in the NFL, hands down. It doesn't matter that he's young, it doesn't matter that he's newer to getting this many yards. Like, he is more dominant than most players in the league, and also he's on one of the most dominant teams in the NFL.

SPEAKER_05 11:39

So there's an argument there for sure. I I agree with that. I think it's a little bit of both. And Puka has been really good this season, so I I gotta give credit to where credit is due for sure. We have a new leader in the pass category.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Crazy.

Dak Leads Passing, MVP Debate

SPEAKER_05 11:58

I know I was quite shocked when I saw this. Oh, I wouldn't say shocked, but surprised. Dak Prescott is now the new passing leader in the league with 3,931 passing yards total on the season, rushing and receiving, still Jonathan Taylor. He now has a 1,443 receiving yards, Jackson Smith and Jigba at 1,541. But it was it was good to see Dak Prescott, and we're gonna talk about MVP odds in our fourth down later in the episode. Um, you're gonna be surprised because the list that I saw did not include Dak. And Victoria and I have talked about how should he win the MVP? No, but he should at least be in the conversation. And I I only put like the top five on the list to talk about, but the whole list was like I think about 10 players, and he was not even on that list.

SPEAKER_02 12:52

So well, I think after this week, he doesn't really deserve because, like, yeah, you have, you know, you are the past leader, but if you can't pass into the end zone enough, you're gonna lose. And if you don't make it to the playoffs, you don't get to be the MVP.

SPEAKER_05 13:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

If you're not in the playoffs, if you don't win a playoff game, I don't want to see you as the MVP because and that even goes for like Jonathan Taylor, who I want to be in that conversation more than anyone. I want him to win, even though I the quotes are not likely going to zero. But I would love to see Jonathan Taylor win, but I don't think that anybody who doesn't get into the playoffs deserves that title.

SPEAKER_05 13:34

And maybe that's harsh, but no, I think I think that's fair and valid because you're the NVP. I mean, Josh Allen's the NDP candidate because he's winning games for his team and he's got he's getting them in the playoffs despite all the woes that that his team's having. Can I compare that to the to the Cowboys and Dak Prescott? No, I will say Dak has been playing phenomenal football, and I can't put everything on him because their defense, JJ McCarthy looked like looked, made our defense look like we are a high school defense. I just I can't even talk about it. But yeah, unfortunate for Dak. But cool to see that he's now the new passing leader in the NFL.

SPEAKER_02 14:13

Yeah, I also I like it because I like it when we pay people, I say we as if it's my money. Um when we collectively as a team pay someone more money than anyone else. Like, you need to do a good job.

SPEAKER_05 14:25

Well, I actually had this conversation yesterday. I was like, this was like a really important year for Dak because there's a lot of people, and you know how I always say this, a lot of people, me included, that were looking at him in terms of his capability to play because he was getting paid so much money. And like, yes, we know it's the Cowboys organization, yes, we know it's Jerry Jones, but he did have a lot to prove this season. Obviously, I was looking for him to stay healthy all season, which she's done. But you know, he actually had a baby recently, so maybe that's the dad's strength that he's showing off. But I'm I'm really happy for him because I feel like he's kind of regained a little bit of confidence on how he can lead his team. And I'm hoping that we take notes and we replicate offensively next season.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Yeah, I mean, I think that the Cowboys next season have something really good to stand on, even if they can't pull it together this season. And the Cowboys are one of those teams that they have less than a 1% chance, but hey, it's still a chance. They're not like completely mathematically lost out. And I think that they I was listening to uh like whatever, some show talk about it this morning, and they're like, they need it's something like the Cowboys need to win out, the Eagles need to lose out, the Bears and the Packers need to tie, and the Bills have to, it's like something crazy like that, where it's like and and and and and but you never know. They did come back from a 21-point deficit against the reigning Super Bowl champions. The Eagles are like, anything is possible?

NFC West Gauntlet And Seeding

SPEAKER_05 15:59

Yeah, if this season has taught me one thing alone, is that quite literally anything is possible. So we'll see. All right, moving on to second down conference check-in, NFC versus AFC outlook. I fear I have more things to talk about when it comes to the NFC because I feel like the AFC it isn't it isn't set, but there's a lot more drama, if you will, going on in the NFC. We already mentioned Trevor Lawrence, but the Jacksonville Jaguars are leading the AFC South at 10-4. The Texans are right behind them at N4, which is really interesting when you look at that division. NFC West is crazy though, and we have a huge, huge matchup Thursday night coming up.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

I literally cannot wait.

SPEAKER_05 16:46

This is this is going to be if I don't want to put too much expectations on it because I fear when I'm like, oh, this is gonna be such a good game, it like kind of disappoints. So I'm just looking for a really good game. The Seahawks as of lately, and not too sure about them. We'll see. But Thursday night football, Rams and Seahawks. So the Rams and the Seahawks are both 11 and 3. And this is important because in that NFC race, you have the Rams, the Seahawks, and the 49ers. Like I said, Rams and Seahawks are both 11 and three. The 49ers are 10 and 4. When you look at their schedule for the Rams, uh, they have the easiest schedule. And it's funny because they all play bird teams. So the Rams will go play Seahawks this week, and then they go into the Falcons and the Cardinals. The Seahawks have the Rams, then they play the Panthers and then the 49ers. The 49ers have the Colts, the Bears, and then the Seahawks. So when you look at this NFC West race, it could be very close. But again, this Rams Seahawks matchup is going to be important in terms of like playoff implications, the seeding and how that goes. Obviously, too, just like what team is going to be the clear front runner coming out of this division. The Rams have three losses. They've been by a combined 13 points. Rams, also important to mention, like one of their dominant receivers, Devontae Adams, who's been really, really good on the Rams this season, is considered week to week right now. He went down with a hamstring injury. So we'll see if they will be playing with or without him in the Seahawks matchup, which I think is going to possibly be a game changer for their offense. But going back to the loss, the Seahawks have three losses that have been by a combined nine points. So their point differential, when you look at these losses that they've been in, haven't been by much. And I think that's a really interesting note. And that you know, is attributed to both of these teams' defenses. The Seahawks defense is really good, and the Rams defense is arguably really good too. So it's going to be an interesting matchup.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

It's just wild that the, I mean, the combined points lost by is insane. The 13 points and nine points that, like, that's what you've lost by combined all season is absolutely insane. But what's more insane to me is that the Seahawks and the Rams are competing for a playoff spot in this as like the number one seed in the same way that the Bucks and the Panthers are.

SPEAKER_03 19:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:23

Like Seahawks and Rams are gonna go wild card, which just feels psychotic to me when the NFC South doesn't have a single team over 500. So yeah, I'm curious.

SPEAKER_05 19:36

That's what's interesting because it's like you don't have a you don't have a single team in the NFC South over 500, but in the NFC West, these teams are like they only have three losses.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Like yeah, and I mean, even in the NFC West 49ers, four losses, they're 10 and 4.

SPEAKER_05 19:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

Which storylines we should that need to die, that the Jags are underdogs, literally no longer underdogs. They're 10 and 4. That were surprised that the Texans are good. The Texans have had a good defense all year. Now that the Texans are on, and I feel like the Texans are doing it the way that you should do it, which is being on a ramp instead of being on an effing roller coaster. Nice.

SPEAKER_04 20:19

Good point. Good point.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

Yeah, like I feel like I feel like the Texans really are doing it. If if I had to, I mean, when you train for a marathon, you go on a nice 45-degree angle trajectory and you just rock it up to the top.

SPEAKER_03 20:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

And and then you put the jets on at the end, right? Like the turbo. And I feel like the Texans are doing that versus the other teams are, yeah, on just giant roller coasters, which is like the the Cowboys are giant roller coasters. At effing Six Flags.

SPEAKER_04 20:54

Well, I mean, that makes sense because you know their stadiums are next to Six Flags, so I know they love the roller coasters. It really is in Arlington.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so yeah, the the Jags are no longer underdogs. The Texans are good, period. Which other ones did I want to die? Maybe those are my those are my same two.

SPEAKER_04 21:15

Oh no, yeah, talk about the Saints.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

I love the Saints. And my hot take about the Saints is I think the Saints are the same as the Panthers, if not better, because the projection for the so the Saints have like next to an entire new staff. They steamrolled their old program, brought in a completely new program, brought in new players, rookie quarterback. Everything is brand new. They were projected to have one win. If you go back and listen to our Allie Ridgway episode, she's like, I think we're gonna win one game this season. They've won four games. Their quarterback has more wins than any other rookie quarterback. Okay. They're also bad, right? Like they're not good yet, but they're like bad in ranking. So they're gonna get some higher draft spots. And they beat both the Bucs and the Panthers, who are vying right now for the top spot in the NFC South. And granted, yeah, they're 500, but the Saints still beat them both. And the Bucs were, I mean, you listen to any of the men talking at the beginning of the season on how good the Bucs are, the Bucs might go all the way, blah, blah, blah. We'll look at them now. And guess who beat them? The Saints. So I will die on this hill. And I do believe that next year the Saints will have a winning record. Whether they go to the playoffs or not, I don't know, but I think they'll have a winning record next year.

Narratives To Bury This Season

SPEAKER_05 22:36

The rookie quarterback thing is so interesting to me. And to give you to throw out some big names. So we like look at the rookie quarterbacks. The rookie quarterbacks that are like playing right now include Shadur Sanders, Dylan Gabriel, Cam Ward, which was the number one overall pick, and then Jackson Dart. So I mean, Jackson Dart and Shadur are probably the better quarterbacks when you compare these two. But the fact that Tyler, you know, has been winning games and you know, like can't compare it to Jackson and Shadur because they missed some games, they didn't waste a season and similar it's not a clean stat. It's not a clean stat line, but it's still it's still impressive in itself.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

Yeah, I it's just yeah, it's just funny to kind of look at, but also like Shadur didn't get put in in the beginning, and like maybe that's on him. Like Jackson Dart wasn't drafted to a team who wanted to put him in right away.

SPEAKER_05 23:31

So I have gone down yesterday. I think I spent two hours of my life.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Oh no, going down on a water. You're going through concussion protocol, aren't you?

SPEAKER_05 23:41

Yes, I was like, well, okay, it was partly that, but I also remember I knew it. It was also partly because I was looking at all the drama with the Browns and Stefansky, and I don't know what to think anymore. I really don't know. I'm not gonna dive into the rabbit hole, but uh interesting. It's it's interesting, and we'll I just wonder what's gonna happen next season because this season's already chalked. That's what it's gonna be. But I I want the I need the tea for next year.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

That's yes. Maybe during the offseason, we need to do like a Browns deep dive on like what in the world is happening. We need to do a stadium tour. We need to meet some people, we need to talk to some wags behind the scenes, not on record. We need to like get the tea on what is happening in that building and like should should we get should we get Dylan Gabriel's fiancee on the show? Yeah, we should. I mean, honestly, she needs to clear her name too. Like, I don't think she's a bad girl, I think she made a little mistake.

SPEAKER_05 24:43

It was a miscalculation. It was and like I can't blame her because like nobody knows what you're gonna do in that situation, but it's like one of those things that's there was a comment, and it was a little harsh, but I was like, this is why you need to be media trained because you you like never know. It was just a miscalculation on her part, and I think she was just trying to clear her her man's name.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

I'm I'm on her team and I want her to win. And I think that sometimes you do stupid stuff by accident. You write a little caption and you think it's cheeky, and then people don't take it cheeky, you know?

SPEAKER_04 25:16

People do not take a cheeky L.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

It just be like that sometimes. So I think I think we do need to talk to her though, because especially now that she's people are like saying that she's outspoken all the time when all she does is get ready with me. So like she's not, but I'm like, oh, if you'll say that on the internet at all, then the tea is putting me piping hot. Then what can we chat about with a notebook and a pen over a cocktail or two?

SPEAKER_03 25:39

No, I feel like too, she's probably so scarred now to like say anything and like speak about it.

SPEAKER_02 25:43

Well, this is why we'll do it off record. No one will know. We can meet up in black hoodies and ball caps.

SPEAKER_04 25:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Okay, moving on. Storylines that also need to die. I don't care about the Chiefs anymore. I don't want to talk about them. I don't care. I also don't care about talking about the Eagles anymore. The Eagles are no longer the Eagles that they were last season. I'm over the men in the sports broadcasting world talking about the teams as they were the teams that we anticipated at the beginning of the season. I'm over people saying they started the season at one and three. No one cares because everything is crazy this season. So the Chiefs don't matter anymore, the Eagles borderline don't matter anymore. The Cowboys are gonna, I'm sorry, but besides Dak, like on their chopped.

SPEAKER_05 26:28

I the two teams that I don't want to hear about anymore are the Chiefs and the Eagles, and it's like And it's not because they're dynasty teams, it's because they didn't play well this season.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

So why are we still talking about them?

SPEAKER_05 26:41

Why are we glorifying them when there's teams like the Patriots, when there's teams like the Panthers, when there's teams the list goes on that we can be talking about and really diving into and analyzing like how great and dominant they're playing? Like, we don't need to hear like it's it's what we're recording this on Wednesday. The teams the teams are eliminated. Congratulations! Like that happened four days ago. Like, let's move on.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

I was gonna say, like, why are we talking about Trevor Lawrence more though?

SPEAKER_05 27:07

Yeah, I mean that I've learned more.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

The guys are great right now.

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SPEAKER_05 27:10

That's like a niche done. I'm not on niching, I feel like people that watch sports will know like things that he's done. Um, but I'm glad you mentioned that because I do want to touch on the AFC since we kind of deep dove into the AFC a little bit. There is kind of this battle for the one seed in the AFC itself. Teams that have clutched playoffs do include the Rams and the Broncos, but the number one seed is still a battle. And you know, Broncos, Patriots, Jaguars, Chargers, Bills, and Texans are all viable options. So it's going to be really interesting, and I'm excited. Even though there's more chaos in the NFC, the AFC, there's still, you know, a little bit more things to play for and battle out. So it'll be interesting.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Yeah, it'll be it's gonna be really interesting to see what happens tomorrow. That's gonna tell us a lot, or tonight when you're listening to this, if you're listening on Thursday. Pretty wild, though, that only two teams have officially clinched their playoff spots. That feels kind of crazy to me that there's that much room for movement around the playoffs.

unknown 28:12

Yeah.

ACL Trends, Turf Vs Grass Risk

SPEAKER_02 28:13

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SPEAKER_05 31:25

Right now with my burned my burned wrist.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

Um you should clarify. Giovanna was in a performance and she had to go into uh one of the, it's like the strap, and you put your hand in it, and then you go up to the ceiling on one hand. So you shouldn't just say my wrist burns.

SPEAKER_03 31:44

Yeah, yeah, it was for a good cause, guys. And was in a show and I had I was quite literally an aerialist. Tomara's man.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

So you was she's flying across like an amphitheater. Like she's like, I was an aerialist. No, she's like flying 30 to 40 feet in the air, spinning around, choreographed all the dancing, an absolute queen. I videoed everything. I was a soccer mom. I was up there. I didn't even know. I honestly I brought up my camera and I was like, am I even allowed to video this? And I was like, I don't care, kick me out. Like, I didn't use flash, but honestly, could have. Honestly, could have.

SPEAKER_03 32:21

Yeah, it was um an interesting performance on the TikTok. I'm kind of scared for my life. I'm gonna go viral in not the best way, but it's fine.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

You did amazing, Giovanna, and that is incredible.

SPEAKER_03 32:37

I'm so ready. What are we gonna talk about?

SPEAKER_05 32:41

The ACL thing. So Victoria and we touched on this in our previous episode this week, um, and we like named some like pretty big injuries, and I have like a list of all the tornado ACLs. So Micah Parsons, Pat Mahomes, they you know went down this week, which are arguably probably like the two most prominent ACL injuries that we might see this season. But other people include Nick Bosa, Malik Favors, Tyreek Hill, Tucker Kraft, Zach Ertz, Marshawn Lattimore, and then you touched on Achilles, Najee Harris and Daniel Jones both went down with torn Achilles. Obviously, people in the sports medicine world are like, this is a major problem. But then I was like, what are the numbers from previous seasons in terms of torn ACLs? So I'll go back to like 21. In 2021, there was 57, 22, there's 51, 23, there was 43, and in 24, there is 38. And now in 2025, we're at 30 and counting, you know, what the season's still ongoing. But there is a trend of trending down. So to your point, I feel like you know, modern medicine, more, you know, people diving into these injuries and how players are protecting their body when it comes to how you're tackling, what instruments are you using, how you strengthen the muscle muscles that you wouldn't really use often, those attribute to like maybe this trend downward. However, there isn't a comprehensive like study on astro turf, artificial turf, you know, regular grass. There isn't a study like that. And and Dan Patrick on his show, which Dan Patrick is pretty prominent in the sports media world on his show. He was talking about how you know the NFL needs to do a comprehensive study on this because it really could answer a lot of questions that not only fans have, but players and their families have when it comes to you know them playing on these fields. Obviously, and I've always said this too, like, why are there indoor and outdoor stadiums? Like, is it oh I figure I'm about to go into rabbit hole. Is it fair to have the Miami Dolphins go to Pittsburgh and play in negative five degree weather while it's snowing when they don't usually play teams that are like that? Am I saying it's fair or not? No, but I think there's a conversation to be had in terms of making these stadiums a little bit more universal. I do think home field advantage should always be home field advantage because that's what you're playing for when it comes to the playoffs. Like you want your home field advantage. But it's interesting when you look at the dynamics around whether it be turf, whether it be stadium environment, whether it's open or out, like open or closed, because that also affects what type of grass you're playing on. It's interesting when you look at that in terms of injuries and how could the NFL do better, I guess, to maybe make it a little bit more even across the board.

SPEAKER_02 35:44

Yeah, I don't necessarily know that I want to see something even, to be honest. Like I think I like the how dynamic it is. What I do know though is that they are more likely than not doing climate training when preparing to go somewhere else. So if they're going to Buffalo, Miami is probably doing some like cold hyperbolic chamber, cryotherapy, ice baths, things like that. And then, you know, people in Buffalo, especially preseason, are probably doing heat training and humidity training to go down to Miami. And I know a lot of like ultra-athletes, professional athletes are consistently doing specific climate training. We're probably we're not hearing about it because people don't dive that deep into training regimens, which the amount that I want to talk to people, like I want to get in the building for a month to see like what does the training regimen really look like from the personal trainer side of me is insane. So I am actively working on that and DMing some like trainers and stuff. But the likelihood that they're doing climate training is high. So I don't know. I do think though, on the apparel side, they could be a lot more prepared. Like, why are we going out in our same exact uniform if you are from because even if you do cold weather training from Miami and then you go to Buffalo, like I'm in Miami right now. I was at the beach yesterday. It was 75 degrees. It's sunny, it's warm, it's not that humid right now, but it's warm. So to go to Buffalo from here and then wear your same outfit and you think a helmet warmer is gonna help you, or a hand warmer. Girl. Also, on my gift guide, I have like a a um USB rechargeable heated vest. Because when I went with Jojo, she's like, I got my vest. And I was like, What vest? It's a heated vest to wear underneath your parka. Yeah, so genius. So I think maybe on the apparel side is probably where they need to do more rather than like lung or whatever training. Yeah, like yeah, why do we need those short short pants? Why can't we get long pants? I don't understand.

SPEAKER_05 37:55

We're some wear some living in the dream. Unless you're Matt Collins and you show up to the stadium with at a shirt and without shoes in Buffalo when it's snowing two to four inches. Um just built different.

SPEAKER_02 38:06

You just can't be out here wearing no shoes. I know it's like a thing and people want to be like grounded, but like wear a flip-flop and take your shoes off. But like no shoes is really gnarly.

SPEAKER_05 38:15

But it's it's it's interesting when you when you think about the scenarios of if the NFL wants to do something from a safety standpoint for the players, making it a little bit more even in terms of the grass, if that is something that these studies find, you know, to have yeah, to just prioritize player safety.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

Yeah, yeah. And grass versus turf is super interesting because grass is like a higher environmental, it's like less environmentally sustainable because when grass dies, you have to put a new sod, which is very costly and less environmentally friendly than like a one-time turf, but turf is also like plastic.

SPEAKER_05 38:50

So I I was the Dan Patrick show also was talking about how like you gotta think like these stadiums have concerts in them. And so when there's concerts and like you know, they're rolling in these sages and building these gusto type of performances for the concerts, what does that do to the field? And all it's just there's so much when you think about it.

Mahomes Surgery Parallels With Brady

SPEAKER_00 39:09

But okay, can I tell you a really random story? What? Okay, this is like really hippie of me.

SPEAKER_02 39:15

But over the summer, I went up to LA to go to a festival, and we got VIP tickets. And the VIP area, it's like kind of classic festivals, like pretty packed, but the VIP area was like had a ton of space, but it was real grass and like nice, like squishy grass, and it wasn't wet. And so we like took our shoes off and we were listening to like it was like indie music, and so we were like dancing with our shoes off in the grass, and it was like honestly one of the best concerts I've ever been to. I was like, I'm grounding, I'm listening to this like hippie music. I had two glasses of wine and maybe a little something else, and we were just vibing with our feet in the Grass and man, it was it was honestly one of the best concert experiences of my life, and I yeah, it was a real hippie moment, but like damn, it was good. Sounds like a vibe, sounds like it was totally such a vibe. I was wearing a backless dress with lobsters on it, like lobsters and vegetables.

SPEAKER_04 40:19

Victoria, shut up. No, that sounds insane.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

I know it's really cute.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

And and me and one of my friends were like doing yoga before, like during the break. We were like doing yoga poses and arm balances and stuff. It was awesome. Okay, I digress. I know I said I don't care about the Chiefs, but Patrick Mahomes did get surgery in Dallas. They named the surgeon, which I thought was really interesting and really cool. And like, was there some type of like PR deal going on there? I mean, I think they chose the surgeon for a specific reason, but I don't know if they're just like really proud of it or what was going on there. I thought that was kind of interesting that they named the surgeon instead of just the hospital. But oh, the cowboys head surgeon. I didn't realize that until right now.

SPEAKER_05 41:09

That's so I think I mentioned this on our previous episode, but I I knew that he was coming to Dallas, and I knew that there was people talking about that it might have been a cowboy's personnel that was doing the surgery, but it was actually confirmed that it was the it was a cowboys personnel that performed surgery on Patrick Mahomes, which is really interesting. And honestly, the more and more I talk about it, I feel like the more and more I'm like, okay, why does that matter? But I feel like because it was like in Dallas, it's interesting and like kind of brought into the question of like looking at TJ Watt and like what he went through with you know the dry needling and then punching a hole in this long at the facility and then having me on the surgery. I don't know, it's just very interesting. But I only bring the Patrick Mahomes up in today's episode because kind of a crazy coincidence. Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady both tore ACLs in their ninth season. Both QB injuri came after losing a Super Bowl. Patrick Mahomes just lost, and both quarterbacks had already won three. So crazy kind of coincidences. Tom Brady tore his ACL early on in the season compared to Patrick Mahomes. So it was a little bit of a different scenario for them. I mean, obviously, Tom Bro Tom Brady came back better than ever after that injury. We'll see kind of the recovery process. I it's hard to look at because it's like it happened so late in the season. So I'm not sure what that's gonna look like for Mahomes, like starting off next season strong, but I think that's why he came to Dallas because he knew that this guy was probably really good in terms of certain things in the surgery and helping him recover faster and stronger than ever.

Eagles Slide And Fastest Game Note

SPEAKER_02 42:59

So yeah, and I think it's like you know, different surgeons specialize in different parts of the body. And so even if the chiefs have like a general surgeon, like even when I have like broken bones or looked into surgery when I was a gymnast, like we went to the tried to get the best surgeon that we could. And so if the chiefs don't have like an ACL-specific surgeon that they consistently rely on, then why wouldn't you go elsewhere? Especially with all the money, time, and resources that you have via the Chiefs, but also just via your own bank account based on your experience with the Chiefs. So I mean, I I kind of like the move to be like, hey, maybe we don't have the perfect care here. Let's go somewhere else and let's go to another NFL team who have had surgery recoveries that have been successful. I do think it's interesting because, like, did the Cowboys now technically just help the Chiefs be better?

SPEAKER_05 43:51

Yeah, well, I mean, you gotta Mahomes is from Texas too. Like Tyler, yeah, he's from Tyler. He could only Tyler's mom's house recovering. Yeah, I mean, Tyler and Dallas aren't like super close, like it's a couple hours away from each other, but I kind of want to learn more about because like I'm like wondering if the surgeon maybe helped them with some other injuries or like maybe while he was in college or you know, growing up.

SPEAKER_02 44:15

Yeah, or some could be family connection, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:18

Maybe something like that. Uh, but it is really interesting.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:24

We talked about the Eagles a little bit, and the only thing I want to say about the Eagles is he it was also interesting because the way they were talking about the Cowboys win over the Raiders versus that the Eagles went over the Raiders is drastically different. I feel like there is a little bit more like celebration when the Cowboys beat the Raiders versus like when the Eagles beat the Raiders, it was like, okay, like congrats, like you beat them. But that game was the quickest game in NFL history. It lasted for two hours and 33 minutes. If the playoffs ended today, the Eagles would be the number three seed in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_02 44:59

Yeah, the Eagles. I was talking about like ramping up. The Eagles are on a downhill ramp.

SPEAKER_00 45:06

Yeah. They're like the you know the cartoons when like it's like a cartoon, like it rolls down a snowy hill and then becomes like a giant snowball and just sparrels down the hill.

Dolphins Bench Tua For Ewers

SPEAKER_02 45:16

Man, that's sad. And then Dolphins quarterback change. So Tua is getting benched for former Texas quarterback Quinn Ewers. That is pretty wild. Tua's owed 141.4 million from 2026 to 2028, and 54 million of that is guaranteed. He leads the league in interceptions at 15 interceptions. Yikes. It would be the largest dead cap hit ever with 99 million dollars if Tua is released. I know that Tua is a part of the problem. I don't believe that Tua is the whole problem. And I don't know that I believe that benching him is the right move. Like, I mean, I think Mike McDaniel standing up there and saying, like, in the press conference, that like the quarterback play wasn't good enough. And then we benched to it just seemed like it didn't, it didn't like sit right with me. And so I probably need, I haven't dove that the Dolphins are probably one of the teams that I've dove the least deep with the entire season. And so I think I need to dive a little bit deeper before definitively speaking on the subject. But something about watching that press conference and reading the transcript from it and then seeing Tua getting taken out, like 15 interceptions is really bad. Like that is bad, period. You really can't fight that on any level. But I just feel like something else is going awry.

SPEAKER_05 46:44

So at surface level, when I was looking at this, I was like, does it really make sense for the Dolphins to bench Tua this late into the season? You aren't going to the playoffs. But then I thought, why not see what you have in your rookie pick? Which Quinn Ears, I arguably, it's kind of funny. I watched him all last season in person because I was covering Texas games quite a lot. Quinn Ears, you know, was playing for the University of Texas. He needed to get out of there because if he didn't declare for the draft, he would not be playing and he probably would have had a transfer. But this was Arch Manning now kind of came in and took the job, and everyone was already wanting Arch Manning to play because it's Arch Manning. So Quinn Ears wasn't terrible in college, but he wasn't the best in college. So I think what the Dolphins are thinking now, what Mike McCann's thinking now is like, why not see what we have in viewers? Because they also have Zach Wilson on their bench, uh, which I thought they were gonna maybe play him, but Zach Wilson is Zach Wilson. But I really think the decision was like, let's see what we have in him and like let's see how he can play the rest of the season. And then kind of, you know, at least we have three games of film to assess his play and to assess how he plays in the NFL to kind of go to the drawing board and figure out a game plan for next season. Do I agree with it necessarily? Because I think benching Tua is a huge slap in the face this late in the season, no matter how good or bad he played. Yes. But we've seen so many other teams turn to their TV one, two, three, four, five this season. And so I I uh I don't think it's a terrible move for them just so they can see how Urus is gonna, you know, match up against these real people in the NFL.

SPEAKER_02 48:36

And we also talked earlier about how you need a good backup, like not having a good backup quarterback will be the death of your team in a season. And we've seen that over and over and over and over. And on multiple teams, like the Jets multiple times over. Injury, injury, horrible playing, horrible playing, injury, injury, like absolute chaos. And even on the Browns or the, yeah, even on the Browns, like we watched them have five quarterbacks and go, and then they released two of them, they still went through all three. So I think that you're probably right that this isn't necessarily a to us situation. This isn't necessarily like a two, like he's not playing great, but I don't think it's a thing. I think when they had the conversation, you could be right that they're saying, like, this is not an us against you situation. This is a, we need to see what we have, and why not put them in in higher pressure, higher stakes games where the gameplay is gonna be higher? Because if you put them in a preseason game, the stakes are just low. They're just low. Your team's getting back into it, you're getting your new guys on the field, you're getting them comfortable, you're learning press, you're like all of these things at once. But to play nearing the postseason, you're gonna get much better gameplay than you're gonna get week one through six. So I think that it, you know, maybe this is a precedent, even for other teams to be like, let's not even put our quarterback at risk and let's see who we have and let's see how we can utilize them. And even just having like a starting quarterback watching from the sidelines is probably gonna benefit them in the learning phase, also watching how your offense is responding. Like, I can't really see a huge negative to this now that we're talking about it. Like, two is on the sidelines. He's gonna watch his entire offense play. He's gonna understand where maybe some gaps that he wasn't seeing were from watching them play and then watching the tape, and you get to see your quarter, like other quarterbacks on your team, because it's never just one guy. So I'm so glad we talked about this because this is so interesting. And I wouldn't be surprised if other teams followed suit in this way. If you're already losing, like unless you're close enough to the top where your draft order really, really matters.

unknown 50:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:56

I mean, they're not, they're not, they're not the the Giants or the Titans or the other team that's like the two and 12 right now.

SPEAKER_05 51:04

But yeah, they're in, you know, they're in an interesting position. Their last three games, they will play the Bengals, then they'll play the Bucks both at home, and then they travel to New England and take on the Patriots for their uh last three games. So that's going to be interesting. Hope Quinn, you represent Texas well, and you go out there and play some good football. Again, not the best quarterback, but he I think he can be a good fit. So yeah, yeah, we'll see.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

All right, let's do fourth down super fast because we're going long today.

Coach Of The Year Shortlist

SPEAKER_05 51:41

Yeah, we are. Okay, first things for fast. We don't talk about this ever, and like I think we should start talking about this instead of when we'll we'll get into the MVP race, but let's talk about Coach of the Year and that race. And shout out to the head coaches. Three I want to mention Patriots, Mike Vrabel, Jaguars, Liam Cohen, and Bears, Ben Johnson. Mike Vrabel and the Patriots, or the Patriots rather, were four and 13. Now with Mike Vrabel, they're arguably have our NvP calorie quarterback and they're 11 and 3. The Jaguars with Liam Cohen, Liam Jaguars last season were four and 13 as well. Now this season 10 and 4 with Liam Cohen Cohen Duvall. Everyone thought he was a joke coming into the season, and now he's making the Jags and Trevor Lawrence look amazing. And then obviously we talk about him a lot. Ben Johnson, the Bears last season were 5 and 12. This season, they are also now 10 and 4. I'm under Ben Johnson. So it's gonna be interesting. Out of these three coaches, I'm not sure who I think will win the coach of the year, but I think I'm rooting for Mike Vrabel in this conversation.

SPEAKER_02 52:45

Okay, I think one of the reasons I want Mike Vrabel as well is if you guys didn't listen to Alexander Francisco's episode that we did, she is on the like media journalism team for the Patriots. And she just had such good things to say about Mike Vrabel and the way that he's running the organization. And so just like knowing that in internal side makes me really want to root for him. And then Ben Johnson, I feel like Ben Johnson had maybe the most to lose out of these three coaches. And so I think that that's something to be said that under pressure, he's done an excellent, excellent job, especially like he didn't start the season super hot, and he's also been on a ramp, on a ramp going upwards. And so I think that my first pick would be Ben Johnson. That could be because I was a Lions fan and I just know what Ben Johnson has in the tank. And I think the more comfortable that he gets, the more he's gonna be able to utilize like his creative genius, which I think he's held back in a lot of capacity this year, just to get the team rolling. Um, but I think that the expectations on him were so high that his ability to perform under that pressure and knowing how much he had to lose leaving the Lions and then also watching his old team struggle a lot. I think that that like the emotional toll of all of those things in one and him being able to produce with his team supersedes to me both Mike and Liam. But I mean, props to all these guys. Like that's it's incredible, really.

SPEAKER_05 54:15

Yeah, the interesting thing about Ben Johnson and the Bears to me is outside of like kind of getting Caleb Williams in a stride because he had a pretty bad rookie year then coming into the season being good, but DeAndre Swift and Kyle Manungay, Ben Johnson has like morphed these two running backs very, very similar to Jameer Gibbs and David Montgomery. And so when you look at fantasy perspective on both of these running backs, I mean they've been pretty good on both sides of the ball. Games played when you look at Deonter Sith and Kalmanungay, 13 for Swift, 14 for Manungai. Swift has 191 carries. Monungay has 146 carries. So they're very similar and they're very effective when they're on the field for this Bears offense. So that's one thing I will note about Ben Johnson when he came in is not only did it get Caleb Williams going, he's really kind of taken over and helped that running that situation and kind of replicated what he did with the Lions and the Bears offense. So it's kind of interesting to look at too.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

All right, MVP race, MVP odds entering week 16, Stafford about 260, Drake May plus 380, Josh Allen plus 600, Bonex plus 1000, Sam Darnold plus 1,000.

SPEAKER_05 55:38

So when you look at these odds, so for for more gambling girlies, whenever it's a minus in front of it, that means they're favorites. So if it's minus something, that means like whoever's betting on that, you're not gonna get they're like a shoe-in. So like if you bet on Zafford to win the MVP, it's minus 260. You bet$20, your return is not gonna be as much. However, if you bet on Bo Nicks, who's plus 10,000 and he wins MVP, your return on$20 is going to be a lot more than it was because he's like not the favorite. And it's I thought this was a typo.

SPEAKER_02 56:12

That's why I said plus a thousand, but it's plus ten thousand. Plus ten thousand, yeah.

MVP Odds And Final Thoughts

SPEAKER_05 56:17

So it's pretty crazy. But just overall looking at it, Stafford is kind of the the front runner right now. I did see some things, and the media is kind of putting Stafford and Allen neck and neck. Is it impossible for Alan to go back to back MVP? No, but I think it would take Allen has to win Super Bowl for him to win the MVP over Stafford and Drake May, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

Yeah. I think the Super Bowl champion's gonna end up being the MVP.

SPEAKER_05 56:44

Whoever Super Bowl champion quarterback is, like if I'm not mistaken, the MVP is announced before the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_02 56:53

Really? Yes, okay.

SPEAKER_05 56:56

Yeah, so the NFL MVP is decided by a vote of 50 sports writers with ballots cast after the regular season, but before the playoffs. Though the winner isn't announced until the annual NFL honor ceremony, which is usually early February, just before the Super Bowl. So it's really it's really based off of so let me kind of clarify what I said.

SPEAKER_02 57:19

Like I kind of hate that.

SPEAKER_05 57:21

Yeah, let me kind of go back. I think Alan Allen will win MVP if he makes a strong case for his Bills team to be in the Super Bowl and win, which is honestly the same you could say about Stafford and Drake May. So I think it's gonna come down to these last three games for both teams. And you know, we talked about the Patriots and their strength of schedule. A lot of people don't think it's strong enough. And I think losing to the Bills put a big damper on Drake May's chances. So we'll see.

Plugs & Sign Off

SPEAKER_02 57:54

We'll see. Well, more to come on that. Thanks for listening to the game. Uh, if you're not on our Substack, subscribe the GameThePodcast at substack.com. If you haven't listened to our interviews, we interview wives, girlfriends, reporters when we're on the NFL. So make sure that you backlog and listen in at Giovanna Scrogans at Hey Victoria Henderson at the game the podcast on TikTok and Instagram. And I think that's all we have for you, right? Yeah. Okay, love you bye.

SPEAKER_05 58:32

You a patty, baby. You gotta own it on a styling of grace.

SPEAKER_06 58:36

You better own it on.