We Need to Talk About GLP-1s And Eating Disorders

GLP-1 medications like Ozempic and Wegovy are changing the healthcare landscape fast, but there’s a problem we can’t afford to ignore: appetite and weight loss interventions can collide with eating disorders in ways that many clinics are not screening for. When that happens, the risks aren’t abstract. They show up as restriction that ramps up quietly, recovery skills that get harder to practice, and medical complications that can be overlooked when the scale is moving “the right way.” 

I sat down with Shauna Melbourne, RD, founder of ED for RDs and a certified eating disorder specialist and supervisor, to talk through what dietitians are seeing with clients. We get into the real-world side effects that can make nourishment harder, the role of delayed gastric emptying and nutrition deficiencies, and why the biggest danger is often the simplest one: an eating disorder that was never identified before a GLP-1 was prescribed. 

We also dig into the cultural messaging that comes with GLP-1s, including the idea that smaller bodies are better bodies and the push to erase “food noise” without asking what it might be signaling. Shauna shares practical, clinic-friendly screening questions that open conversation without leading the patient, plus why training and team support are essential for safer, more compassionate care across body sizes including people with atypical anorexia. 

If you work in healthcare, live with an eating disorder, or support someone in recovery, this conversation offers clear takeaways you can use immediately. Subscribe for more evidence-informed conversations, share this episode with a colleague, and leave a review so more listeners can find it.

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Transcript

Welcome, GLP-1s, And Disclaimer

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello everyone and welcome back to the Behind the Plate podcast. I'm so excited to have you join me today. As you can likely tell by the title, I am talking about a topic that I think we hear a lot. We see it a lot in the news. It's hard to really go anywhere or do anything without seeing ads or hearing about GLP ones. A lot of people think of Ozempic when they think about a GLP one, but there's many more on the market. I know it's advertised a lot on TV, it's talked about a lot in the media. So it's pretty hard to go about our days without hearing about it. What I wanted to do today on this podcast is to discuss a little bit more about eating disorders as it relates to GLP1s and sort of what's being missed in the community and what we're seeing. And so today I'm really excited to share that I am joined by Shauna Melbourne, who is a registered dietitian and the founder of ED for RDs, which is eating disorder education for registered dietitians. It's an international training community dedicated to compassionate, inclusive care. She is a certified eating disorder specialist and supervisor who has supported thousands of dietitians in building confidence in complex clinical situations. Shauna is known for translating evidence-based approaches into practical strategies in a way that clinicians can use right away. Through her teaching, supervision, and podcast, she is passionate about helping dietitians feel steady, skilled, and supported in their work. I'm so excited for you all to join us in this conversation today, as you'll hear we dive into many different topics as it relates to eating disorders and GLPs. And I think you you may come away from this with something, whether you're a healthcare provider or if you are somebody who is living with an eating disorder or in recovery, you may find some of this beneficial. Of course, before we start this episode, I do want to start with a disclaimer that we are going to be talking about eating disorders. We don't dive too far deep into definitions and stuff like that, but if that is a triggering topic for you to hear about, then this may be an episode that you may want to choose to skip. So without further ado, let's dive right in. So let's get into it. Shauna, welcome to the podcast. It's so great to have you here.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Thank you so much, Heather. I'm really looking forward to chatting with you. Um, I know this topic is really interesting to so many people. And so thank you for giving me the time and the opportunity to chat with you and your guests around this.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Oh, absolutely. And you're right, it is a really important topic. And I think the timing is really great as well, just in regards to, you know, for us speaking to other healthcare professionals in our audience and then also just other listeners as well as people being aware of this. Um, so I think we'll just dive right in if

GLP-1 Uptick And ED Side Effects

SPEAKER_00 3:38

we can. And I think what I wanted to know from you to start was what have you noticed in the community in these last, I don't know, maybe five-ish years in regards to what dietitians are seeing, what you as a clinician is seeing as it relates to GLP1s and eating disorders?

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Yeah, good place to start. So, what I am noticing is that, of course, like what we're all seeing is that there's a massive uptick in the use of GLPs, GLP ones, and there's more and more people being prescribed it, and there's more and more access to these types of medications. And what we're seeing more and more in the eating disorder community is that more and more people are being, of course, prescribed this medication, and we're seeing that interaction between them as a human and their experiences alongside the side effects of the medication, whether it be the side effects of what the medication is made to do or some of the other side effects. So things like, of course, we see the weight loss, we see the struggle with weight loss, we see the fostering and perpetuating of the actual eating disorder behaviors. We're seeing things like delay gastric emptying, vitamin mineral deficiencies, we're seeing malnutrition, we're seeing hair loss. Um, we're seeing a lot of people really struggling to nourish themselves appropriately, and people perhaps wanting to go off the medication, and that's a whole other can of worms to talk about. But really, getting back to your question, what we are seeing is a lack of screening overall with eating disorders. And that plays a massive role in outcomes with our clients and the use of this medication. You know, without that lack of screening, unfortunately, I personally have had many clients go to their medical provider, of course, talking about their weight and worried about that. It makes sense given the world that we live in, and unfortunately being prescribed a GLP one. Meanwhile, this person is living with a raging eating disorder, and the time that it takes to screen it just wasn't happening. Um so that, and then you know, it undoes a number of years of work that we have been doing. So, um, you know, on one hand, I'm not against the use of the medication. I think that there have been some beautiful stories and wonderful outcomes with some people, yes, while living with an eating disorder and using a GLP one. I will say that these individuals are very well supported by really dedicated and knowledgeable eating disorder treatment team. And maybe that's why we're seeing these really wonderful outcomes with some people. Yet for other people, it can be very harmful and very detrimental when it comes to just their outcomes and overall well-being.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

Oh my gosh, this is you've you've put that so beautifully and touched on so many important topics

The Biggest Gap: ED Screening

SPEAKER_00 7:01

here. And I can see how there's definitely a huge gap in terms of the screening just in the community because prior to GLP1s, my understanding is that eating disorders were already being missed by providers, right? Like the screening already wasn't there, and it's unfortunate, like as eating disorder providers, we know that there's a certain subset of people living with eating disorders that get missed all the time. And I'm thinking about those who would fall under the diagnosis of otherwise specified feeding and eating disorders, um, which is sometimes referred to as atypical anorexia. So those maybe living in a larger body or just a body that doesn't kind of fit that standard BMI that unfortunately a lot of providers are looking at. So I could see how that demographic is is likely being, I don't know, I don't know if harmed is the right word, but affected by this. And we also know that with that demographic, too, they are the ones that can have some of the most detrimental eating disorder side effects from a medical standpoint. I'm wondering if if that's what you think about with this, if that's the population. Tell me more about that.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

Yes, absolutely. So I think, you know, atypical anorexia, um, you know, I've some of us refer to it as the weight-biased definition of anorexia, because it's still anorexia. And what did what differentiates somebody with anorexia versus atypical anorexia is only their body weight shape and size. And so many people, you're exactly right, so many people who live with quote-unquote atypical anorexia, which again, it's still anorexia, and still just as scary and life-threatening and fair and really affecting overall well-being, um, they're being missed. Because again, when we Google anorexia, right, we we typically associate anorexia with that visual of that very emaciated body. But that's a very, very small percentage of people who actually live in that emaciated body while living with anorexia. Most people living with anorexia live in what we call like a straight-sized body or a larger size body. And so, yes, when medical providers or dietitians or psychologists or anybody is, you know, looking at somebody, they may not quote unquote look like what we would see on Google. And so you're right, individuals fall through the cracks because of perhaps their diagnosis or medical weight bias. And we know that 64% of people sometimes, and I don't even think that that really captures the gravity of individuals experiencing

Atypical Anorexia And Medical Weight Bias

SPEAKER_01 9:58

medical weight bias. So there's a tremendous amount of medical weight bias. And to me, it makes sense. I mean, we live in diet culture, certainly not throwing anybody under the bus. I have great empathy for this because not all of us have access to training or ways in which we can undo weight bias that was implanted in our schooling.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

Absolutely. And even just to touch on that, like as a dietitian, I felt like in my training, I didn't get enough on eating disorders. It wasn't, it seems like it's not unless you kind of go and look for it specifically that you don't really get that as like a standard. And it's interesting because I remember for me when I went to school, it was like it was maybe one class and we just went through like the DSM five definitions. And I could only imagine what it's like for other healthcare providers as well who don't focus on the new nutrition the same way that we do. So I could see that being, you know, a whole other thing. What I'm wondering for like those of those who are listening who may be thinking here, okay, we can see that there's maybe an issue, but I'm wondering, Shauna, if you can kind of point out to us, what is the big challenge, the big concern here if eating disorders aren't screened for and GLP ones are being prescribed? What are the big risks that we need to know about?

Food Noise And Hunger Cues

SPEAKER_01 11:26

Yeah. So for one, the message that GLPs reinforce is that smaller bodies are better bodies. Just that message itself can be so damaging and quite harmful to some people. Now, again, I will go back and say that I I'm not against the medication. Again, that there have been some wonderful outcomes. Yet for some people, just within that message itself, feeling so scared of going and even seeing their medical provider in fear that their medical provider may prescribe them that medication and they don't want it, or even seeing their medication, asking, or sorry, seeing their provider asking for that medication, yet knowing from their true sense of self, not from their eating disorder, knowing that this is that this could be very harmful. So just that meant just that message that smaller bodies are better bodies. Um, and you know, the drive for thinness is a common denominator with many eating disorder presentations, as we know. That's that's what is driving that thinness and driving the restriction and driving chaotic eating. And I see that this that GLPs really reinforce this drive for thinness. GLPs also have, or you know, the messages around the use of GLPs have really pathologized food noise. Um, you know, this belief that we should if there's something wrong or bad going on and we should just get rid of it. And instead, we're missing out on these beautiful opportunities to have wonderful conversations with our clients to really dig deep underneath what is about, what is going on with this food noise, because food noise can be a representation of things like overt or covert restriction. It can represent years of body and food trauma, weight cycling, yo-yo dieting. And I think we're missing, we're missing so many important conversations with our clients to really get to maybe not, I mean, uh, what I hope would be the root of why the food noise is could be there, but it represents something. And what I like to do in my office is really get to okay, why is this happening? But again, I can empathize with a lot of prescribers. They're they don't really have that time, perhaps. But I what I would hope is that these individuals could go and see an eating disorder-informed dietitian and be able to have these kinds of conversations.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

That's amazing, Shauna. And I I completely agree with you. Like, even just that overarching message and and the harms that can come from that of thinner is better, and the pathologizing of food noise is definitely, I'm so glad you touched on that because I think that's a really important point. And we have really good data to explain sort of what happens when a brain is not nourished enough. So for those living with an eating disorder, and one of the things is this preoccupation, not just with weight, shape, and size, but with food as well. One thing that I'm seeing in the community as somebody who works with people with eating disorders is the people are very far away from their hunger and fullness cues, especially if they've been suppressed for a really long time. And that tends to be a pretty big thing that we see our patients present with, which is this really disorganized hunger and fullness cues. Maybe they don't get them at all, or maybe it's very quick fullness cues, um, really quick to fullness, but not really experiencing hunger too much again because it's been silenced for so long. And my concern with the GLP ones is that they tend to continue to silence and mask some of that hunger. Another thing when we're thinking about treatment of eating disorders is regular eating. And, you know, it might be that six eating opportunities in a day of three meals, three snacks. And how are we going to achieve that if we're on a GLP one that's silencing our hunger when six times a day already feels like a lot? So just in the treatment of an eating disorder for somebody who works within the community, I can see some harm being caused there and kind of interfering with the treatment process as well. Not sure if that's something you've seen or or think about too.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Absolutely. Does it ever interrupt the treatment process? It does silence the hunger and formass. And not only from a physiological point of view, right, that's the very thing that the GLPs do is target that and and decrease the overall hunger. Um, and I think what that also does too is that so many people that I see are so afraid of hunger, so afraid of fullness and often get stuck with only experiencing a certain amount of hunger and a certain amount of fullness, and not truly experiencing the full spectrum of hunger and fullness. And you're right, that's exactly what GLP ones do, is that it really uh uh forces that person to stay in the stuck and minimizes that full or really gets rid of the experience of experiencing that full spectrum of hunger and fullness. So it reinforces restriction overall, which is a part of so many people's eating disorder experience. So one might think that, well, restriction is only part of anorexia, and and it and it isn't. It isn't. Restriction can happen, not always, but it can happen with binge eating disorder as well. And you know, with our very limited research that we have, very small studies, very limited number of research, it is showing that using a GOP one with binge eating disorder patients could be helpful. Now, I don't think that we're there yet in terms of saying whether it is helpful. They're not approved for eating disorder treatment, but it is showing that it could be helpful. But again, are we missing out on really important conversations and treatment opportunities to be had with our clients to get underneath what silencing that hunger really feels and means to them? Could it be that we're silencing years of trauma? Could it be that we're silencing years of PTSD? And I see this as problematic in terms of really helping that person to do that deep healing, not only from a physiological point of view, but from that emotional psychological standpoint as well.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

Oh my gosh, yeah, I'm glad you brought

Trauma, BED, ADHD, And Research

SPEAKER_00 18:23

that up. I think it is interesting what we're seeing in the literature about binge eating disorder, and I'm glad it is being um explored. I think what you and I are concerned about is is some of more of like the restrictive eating disorders and in their presentation. And you're right, like sometimes with binge eating disorder, there is some restriction there. Um, I I'm open-minded to it being beneficial, and I just hope that, like you said, there's good there's gonna be the screening and we're looking for that a little bit more. And just thinking about as well, um, how you brought up, you know, trauma and and those types of things, I I also just came to my mind that the population of people living with ADHD who struggle a lot with impulsivity. And I feel like a a GLP one might might help with some of that impulsivity around food, but what about everything else that they're struggling with? And sometimes for people with ADHD, figuring out that food piece because the impulsivity can also kind of coincide with emotional eating a little bit, sometimes figuring that out can really help give them some tools to go about living with the impulsivity a little bit more and just being able to manage it. So I think about so many different mental health conditions here and just how the treatment that we do, it really helps with that already. And I don't know how much more benefit we would get from a medication that's maybe I don't want to say artificially stimulating that or helping that, but it's just it's something that I think about and I think it's worth exploring.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

I agree. I agree. I think we need a lot more research. We know we need a lot more trials to better understand this medication before we can say, oh, this medication is approved for eating disorder treatment. Um, and I think we're still in infancy when it comes to the research and the understanding of these medications. And, you know, from my clinical experience, it's really handled on an individual basis and what kinds of supports that this individual has already in their community life, including eating disorder providers who are really dedicated to eating disorder treatment. And what I would hope is that this individual could receive all the screening, all the support that they absolutely deserve.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

Yeah, I I agree.

Screening That Finds Hidden Eating Disorders

SPEAKER_00 20:53

I will say just to because I wanted to share with you, Shauna, because of this topic, um working in the community, I actually have seen some people come to our eating disorder treatment program who had gone to their doctor seeking or looking for a GLP one, and their doctor did screen for it, and they ended up with a referral to an eating disorder program. So they went in the office thinking they were gonna come out with one thing, and through their provider ended up finding out that, oh wait, maybe this is an eating disorder. And I I suspect that that's a very small percentage of people that that's happening with, but to bring some hope and light here, it it is happening to what extent I don't know how much, but I have seen it uh with a handful of clients that I've seen in the community, which is positive.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

It's very positive. It's very positive. And you know, what what leaves me wondering is um you know, how how did the team come together and to be able to Support this individual with the right amount and also the right kinds of supports. You know, bravo to that medical provider who not only found the time and the courage to screen for an eating disorder because it isn't, it isn't a quick thing. Um, going through, I mean, we we tend to re uh rely on things like the scoff or the eat 26 uh screeners. Um, I tend not to use those, not because uh, I mean, they're they're very well documented, very well researched, there's lots of evidence that support them, um, but they are quite long. And so what I steer medical providers or providers to are just three questions that they can ask. One question is how much time do you spend thinking about food and body? On one hand, it's very normal for us to spend some time in our day thinking about food, maybe not so much our body, but perhaps the food that we eat, right? Planning for breakfast, planning for supper, planning for what we're gonna have at various times in the day. That's really normal, or thinking about maybe how delicious that lunch was that we had with some colleagues, whatever it may be. It's quite normal. But if it takes up a giant percentage of somebody's life, that's when it tends to be problematic. Or we might hear from some people, oh, I wish I could just take a pill and never think about food again. That's also problematic. So just with this one question, it can raise quite a number of alarm bells and also open up some conversation. The second question that I like to ask is how do you eat differently or do you eat differently when you're alone versus when you're with people? We'll get numerous answers from this, but one of which could be, well, when I'm by myself, I don't eat at all. Or when I'm with people, I try and eat only a little bit, and when I'm by myself, I end up eating, you know, an amount of food that feels uncomfortable for me. So again, it elicits this conversation and gives us quite a bit of information. The third and last question is if there's one thing that you could change about your food or body, what would that be? Yeah, and these three questions, they're not evidence-based, they're not researched, they're not in any kind of journal or anything like that. But what they do do is that one, they're not leading questions, um, they don't provide anybody with any ideas or lead them down a path that could be more detrimental to where they are right now. And it doesn't assume there isn't any assumption that somebody does struggle. And it can be a quick conversation, just three questions that any provider can ask in their office. And through conversation, we can gather information and we can use that information to really support that person in their well-being and direct them to the right resources.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

I think that's wonderful, those questions. And just thinking about that from an assessment perspective, like I would want to be asking that to really understand somebody's relationship with food more. I mean, I think I ask those in some wording, just in the work that I do as well. I'm guessing that's how those questions came up for you is, you know, things that you had been asking or or had been pondering on. And I think that's great. And I love that it's not leading and I love that it opens up a conversation. What I'm wondering about those questions is for those who don't have like maybe a bit of like a spidey sense around eating disorders. That's what I like to call it. Sometimes there's a little tingling that happens and we're like, hmm, something's going on here. What answers are we kind of looking for that might steer someone to go, hmm, I think something might be going on here. For example, your first question of how much time do you spend? Let's say that person answers, oh, about 75% of my day, I'm thinking about food. What then? Where do we go from there?

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Right. Yes, because it's the what then. That is such an important part of all of this because we can ask all these questions, but there needs to be lead up or sorry, follow-up um post-questions. So, yes, um, for the spidey senses, our clinical judgment um is another way of saying it as well. So just, you know, it's there, you know, it's our spidey senses are a clinical judgment, and we can rely on that, our gut instinct when it comes to treating people. So 75% of the time would be a great deal of time. That would be a lot of time that somebody would be thinking about their food. So if you think of, you know, our waking hours as 100% of our hours, there's only 25% of that person's day where they may have room to think about something else. That's a great deal of time. I think what is so important, and something that isn't necessarily can um taught easily is putting ourselves in that person's shoes. If we imagined ourselves thinking about food and body 75% of the time, my goodness, I wouldn't have very much time left over to think about anything else. And I've got a lot of things going on in my life, and I would like to think about those other things as well. So if we can put ourselves in that person's shoes, I think that we would have a better understanding about what would be a lot versus a little bit. Um also, I think above and be all above and beyond, it's getting training in eating disorders. So if you're not sure whether or not you can rely on your spidey senses or your clinical judgment or your gut instinct when it comes to treating somebody in this area, it is so important that healthcare providers do seek out eating disorder education to form that baseline of understanding. We used to be able to just refer people out to more eating disorder-informed providers, maybe like 15 years ago, but we just don't have that any longer. And it isn't good enough that we are practicing with people and we don't have eating disorder knowledge. So, what I'm imagining is that medical provider who referred that person on from a GLP to eating disorder treatment, I'm gonna guess that that person had some really good clinical judgment built from eating disorder education. They had that foundation. And that's what's gonna allow us to build our spidey senses and our understanding and being able to put ourselves in other people's shoes. Because in eating disorder education, we learn about these things. We learn about what could be deemed as quote unquote normal. I mean, you know, there's all kinds of definitions of what is normal, but what is also abnormal and looking for not only the person's words, but also the body language. Asking follow-up questions like, what is that like for you to spend 75% of your time thinking about food? So I think what is also really important in conjunction with all of these things is understanding uh the difference between disordered eating and an eating disorder. When we can appreciate that the intensity and the frequency of symptoms, that's what tips the scales from disordered eating into an eating disorder, right? So if we know that we're working with somebody who spends 75% of their time thinking about food, that to me, that implies that's pretty intense. And the frequency of those thoughts, that's often. So that there must be something up with that.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

Absolutely. I think wow, you've touched on so many great topics here. Um, and I completely agree. I I think it's really great that you're bringing this forward, like the importance of eating disorder education. And I guess I'm wondering, like, for me, I think any provider can ask these questions. Like it seems like it's not just a doctor that would need to do it. It could be a therapist, it could be any person on somebody's healthcare team. I'm wondering though, in terms of providers getting education, what would you recommend, especially for like the really busy

Training Teams And Final Resources

SPEAKER_00 30:32

provider? Well, I mean, we're all really busy, but for those who are like, I can't dedicate a huge amount of time to this. Where and what can we do?

SPEAKER_01 30:41

Yeah, yeah, that's such a great question. Um, while I wish that there could be a magical answer to that and we could just somehow bring the knowledge in when you when we're all very busy and we just don't have the time. Um, and it matters. It does matter to take the time to understand eating disorders. And it doesn't mean that any provider needs to then go on and be an eating disorder specialist. It's, and I think what is what is more important is that non-eating disorder providers should be taking, getting that that education and that support to learn about eating disorders. So all what can a provider do? Um, so there's lots of eating disorder providers out there that offer um training for teams. That is something that I do. Um, that I offer training for teams, and I'll go in and I'll train the entire team about eating disorders. So, like anywhere between two and say four hours. In two and two to four hours, a team can learn an awful lot about eating disorders. We can get that foundation uh put in place so that everybody is on the same page. We have practice with those questions, we have an understanding about what an eating disorder is above and beyond what the DSM V says.

SPEAKER_00 32:05

That's awesome. So, people like I love the idea of going and educating teams, and I think that's that's a wonderful thing. And I know there's quite an initiative in Ontario specifically in regards to prevention with eating disorders. And I think a part of that is also educating providers a little bit more. Um, and I think that's also really great too. So I I like that idea of being able to have these discussions and even just being open-minded to it. Like I think that's really important. Again, if you're a GP and you see all these different um conditions all the time, I could see how it's not always top of mind, especially if you haven't had even the two hours to speak with Shauna to learn a little bit more about an eating disorder. So I think that's yeah, that's that's a really great place to start. And I mean, it could even be just, you know, listening to a quick podcast, like how we're doing right now, like just to try to educate a little bit more, just to get that sort of question asked. I mean, I would love, and I know you would too, for everyone prescribing a GLP one and not just a GLP one, but other medications that can impact appetite too, in terms of like asking some of those questions about an eating disorder. I think about again back to ADHD, because I spend so much time with the clients with ADHD. When they go on stimulants, many, many, many providers are watching their eating and take, their weight trends to make sure that they're not losing too much or they're not not eating too much. And so I can I can see it already play out in the community and how people are prescribing, and and I just hope that that can translate further in the future. I'm always leaning on the side of optimism. So that's kind of where I live.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

I hope that as well. I hope that as well, that we already have those skills in place and to monitor the weight and growth with somebody on a stimulant. So what I hope too is that those skills could be transferable and we could dedicate those skills and and bring them forward when we're working with somebody who's prescribed a GLP.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

Absolutely. Shauna, I really appreciate you joining today on the podcast. It's been so insightful. You've touched on all of the things I was hoping to talk about here today. Um, and I I feel like this conversation is really scratching the surface, but there it's a really great place to start. And I hope more and more providers will continue to have these conversations. For those who are listening, how can our listeners find you and find out more about what you do?

SPEAKER_01 34:40

Oh, thank you. Yeah, so I I do two things. I have a private practice, and people can find me at the website. So it's shauna Melbourne Registered Dietician.com. So my name is Melbourne, like the city, but no e on the end. Um, and I also have an Instagram account, so Shauna Melbourne R D, and that's all for my private practice. And I practice, um, so I'm licensed in Ontario. And for my training, so I've been running an online program just for dietitians for the last coming up to it's a little over nine years now that I've been doing that. Yeah, yeah. And so with that, I've also branched out to support other healthcare providers to learn about eating disorders. So now it isn't just for dietitians, it's for any healthcare provider. And it's called Eating Disorder Education for Registered Dieticians or E D for, so F-O-R, R D S, so E D for R Ds. And I have an Instagram account, so E D F O R R D S. And people can also find me on my website, edfors.com. And I think that's about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:05

Shauna, you have a podcast too, right? I do. Yeah, and and how would people find that podcast? What's the name of that? Yeah, that one is called ED4RDs Inspire. Amazing. That's awesome. So lots of ways to find you. Um, so thank you so much again, Shauna, for joining us today.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

Thank you so much, Heather, for having me. It's been a really real pleasure speaking with you today.