The Open Queue
A podcast where we talk about entertainment, pop cultural and the daily life of navigating the entertainment industry as a creative.
The Open Queue
Souls in the Machine: Faith Meets Technology
Have you ever wondered what happens when human consciousness meets digital immortality? This thought-provoking episode dives deep into the realm of uploaded intelligence—a concept that goes beyond artificial intelligence to explore what happens when we can transfer our minds into computers.
Starting with a captivating discussion of AMC's animated series "Pantheon," we unpack the ethical, existential, and philosophical questions raised when humans upload their consciousness to digital platforms. What does it mean to be human if our minds can exist without bodies? Is an uploaded consciousness truly the same person? And would you choose digital immortality if given the choice?
The conversation travels through fascinating territory—from how different dimensions might relate to religious concepts of God and afterlife, to the practical implications of consciousness that moves at computer speed rather than human speed. We share personal reflections on whether we'd choose to upload ourselves, revealing surprising perspectives on digital existence versus natural death.
As real-world technology rapidly advances with brain-computer interfaces like Neuralink, these formerly sci-fi questions have become increasingly relevant to our present. We explore how uploaded intelligence could transform geopolitics, redefine human relationships, and potentially create new forms of existence entirely.
Whether you're fascinated by technology's cutting edge, philosophical questions about consciousness, or the intersection of faith and digital existence, this episode will leave you questioning what defines humanity in an increasingly digital world. Listen now and join the conversation about our potential digital afterlives.
Welcome to the Open Queue, a podcast where we talk about entertainment, pop culture and the daily life of navigating the entertainment industry. As a creative, I'm your host, Shaka Omari, and I'm joined by my business partner, Charles Malone. We'll sometimes have other creative guests on to tell us about their journey in the industry, dealing with their ups and downs and struggles and successes. We'll also touch on current changes to the business of television and film, as well as queue up what we're watching, listening to or a piece of art we've been inspired by. The music you're listening to is the Lambda Chops for Dinner from the TV show Pantheon, composed by Marco Beltrami, Brandon Roberts and Buck Sanders. And now let's get queued up.
Charles Malone:Welcome back to episode two of Open Queue. Yeah, I'm ready to get into this again, I think.
Shaka Omari:Yeah, so again, as we're going into what's queued up, you know I got to ask the question that we've been discussing in the last one what are you watching? What are you inspired by? Anything cool, anything great happened since last time I talked to you.
Charles Malone:yeah, I'm gonna continue on doing dark things that you don't want to hear about. I had a bud showed me a graphic novel called the ice cream man that was, uh, really, really kind of like kooky and dark and he kind of like threw me in to one of the chapters or volumes that, like uh, is in the middle of the series. That you're kind of just like thrust into the story of a dude who like jumps off this building as he's giving this monologue and as he's falling 80 something floors. There's also a story that's going on within the building and because this is like I'm just jumping into the middle of something, I'm like what is going on and there's like a lady who's getting her eye eaten out by a vulture, but she's on the phone.
Charles Malone:she's like I'm sorry, bill, I'm gonna have to call you back like no one's responding in shock or horror to some of the things that's going on around them. And you're're just like what is going on in this business? Everyone on drugs and this guy's still talking to you as he's falling to the ground. Um, it was kind of dark.
Shaka Omari:It was very funny, um, kind of kind of, and the title is the ice cream man.
Charles Malone:Yeah, the ice cream is the demon that's going around. I guess doing I guess, to read the Grok novel. I haven't read the whole thing, but it always inspires me Like I wish more people would take some of their dark thoughts and put them into a different outlet instead of putting them into the world.
Charles Malone:So, besides that, you know, I think one thing we're going to talk about today, which we touched on in the first episode, is Pantheon and shows that explore the capabilities of machines and humanity. Pantheon is one I definitely keep coming back to, especially, you know, continuing on this thing about AI as we figure out what to do with artificial intelligence. So creepy ice cream demon and uploaded intelligence.
Shaka Omari:Okay, I would say that would be a good segue.
Charles Malone:That creepy ice cream demon, yeah, well, that's well before we completely, just jump fully into Pantheon. I think you know one thing we both wanted to to talk about as this is an industry podcast or industry adjacent, as we do talk about some life stuff as well is thoughts really quickly, because I don't really want to go into the show because I haven't even finished it yet, but you want to talk about the studio.
Shaka Omari:Yes, yes, okay, I got to say like I'm not done with it. I think I got two more episodes to watch and I will say the first two episodes loved it. Thought it was hilarious, thought it was funny. Obviously it's a love letter to the industry.
Shaka Omari:I felt a lot of the things that he was feeling, not that I'm like the CEO of a studio, but I think a lot of the things that he's going through like I think there's a specific line where he says I think it's something I'm paraphrasing that I fell in love with making movies and now it's my job to kill them, which I kind of feel. In my opinion, the studio system now has kind of gotten into this shareholder, you know infinite profit thing to the point where it's like, if it doesn't seem like it's going to make us money which I understand, you know art is a risk you want to make the money back that you put and invest into whatever the project is. But it feels like it's so much about that now that you end up killing like any creativity because you're only looking for, like the bottom line. That's my opinion. So that line for me really resonated. But I also love, like the, the way that the they're trying to like. They talk about the CEO that's taking over the company.
Shaka Omari:In episode two they do this awesome one, or which you know any of us that have ever had to fight against daylight setting or anything like that? I think we've all felt that kind of thing. Trying to get that take, even dealing with sound. I think it's just a it's.
Charles Malone:it's a great love letter to the industry no, no, yeah, I couldn't help but think, as you talked about the, the studio, and kind of like them trying to mitigate risk and maximize profit. I just I won't harp up on the greed of sinners, um, because we already talked about that, but yeah, it's, it's a shame. I thought it was good, you know for what it is.
Charles Malone:Uh, it did make me miss the old days of entourage, oh, yeah, yeah, entourage, um, and then the, the very first, first episode for someone who has been an assistant and tried to leap from the assistant role to a coordinator to you know associate, like as you try to climb this ladder and what we do, when he's one of the candidates for the promotion he's rushing out his assistant is like did you hear? And he's like yeah, and if I get this, I'm going to promote you to ce. And she's like really I thought you were just saying that, so you, so I wouldn't quit. He's like I was, but if I get it, I'm really going to promote you to CE. And she's like really I thought you were just saying that, so you, so I wouldn't quit. And he was like I was, but if I get it, I'm really going to promote you.
Charles Malone:Which just made me really laugh for reasons of like the carrot on the stick, of like trying to like get a promotion, but also the coveted position, of like jumping from assistant to creative executive position. You know, and it's so funny when you're not from LA, you don't have family that's from la, or not entertainment, they hear things like oh, you're a creative executive at paramount, or you're a creative executive just in general, and it sounds so like glamorous and like it still doesn't pay that well and it's hard. It's like hard to go to soho house when you're only making like fifty thousand dollars and trying to like network keep up with the joneses and network and your fans like oh man, you must be living lavishly and doing all these things like. Trust me, it's not what it looks like on instagram, uh bro, like no lie.
Shaka Omari:Uh, I went home for a high school reunion and everybody was like, oh my gosh, I see you hanging out with all these people and things like that and I'm like it looks. But you know, I'm one of the ones that when they're like, hey, free pizza party in the office, I'm like okay, yeah, free food for lunch.
Charles Malone:The amount of assistance and coordinators and some creative executives and some executives that are still living paycheck to paycheck when they're shoulder to shoulder with millions of dollars and just hoping to get a piece is wild. But my biggest critique of the show and I know it's a, it's like satire and it's making fun, it's supposed to be, it's comedy. I just think I think Seth Rogen's character for someone who gets promoted spoilers to CEO I mean it's in the first episode. I don't know how much I'm really spoiling. Um, just, I would have loved to see because I think I've watched five episodes, because I did do the the one where they're like is this racist, which was a really funny episode. Yeah, I dug that one.
Charles Malone:Um, I just wish he had a little shows, a little bit more teeth like again, not pc here, but like his character is too much of a fanboy and pussy through most of the episodes. I know that's not right to say, but it's too late. I already said it, um and I, I just would have seen some of the, the gruff or toughness that you do need to make it to that ceo position yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shaka Omari:You know, like, uh, your reference to entourage a little bit of ari in there.
Charles Malone:You know a little bit of that, that fight, that tenacity, that that wheeling and dealing, you know trying to outsmart the other person to get the best deal, not, not everybody is like completely like a thick-skinned shark who is just. But you do have to have teeth to make it in this industry to a degree, and I know there's probably some really spineless people at the executive level. But I just feel like his character lacked some depth and he's kind of one note to me.
Shaka Omari:I could see that. I could see that because I feel like gosh Catherine O'Hara's character. The producer. Mixed feelings the CEO.
Charles Malone:Before oh, no, no, no, not her, okay, I'm thinking about Catherine Han.
Shaka Omari:Yeah, okay, mixed feelings. The marketing lady.
Charles Malone:We talked about vultures before and it was just a great depiction of vultures.
Shaka Omari:No, the one that was CEO before. I felt like she has a nice balance of like emotionality, of being like, oh, I just want to be seen and I want to be important and I love this thing but also having the teeth to wheel and deal and get things done, you know.
Charles Malone:Yeah, and also it's a great thing of like how ageist this industry can be. There is a point where you do where it seems like you start to age out. I know there's like the young people coming up who feel like the people at the top won't retire. But if you're in it you also see how hard it is the older you get and for her character as a woman, it gets harder to get things made.
Shaka Omari:That's a good point. I didn't even think about it that way, you know. I was just thinking about it's business as usual.
Charles Malone:But yeah, you're right, for when you add in the ageism and the, the sexism, then survival in the industry does seem a little bit more difficult, you know yeah, and you do need to have, like some, some like I was gonna say some some teeth again, but more so some backbone to, like you know, advocate for yourself and push and fight to get things, um, done and get things made. But yeah, seth Rogen's character just annoys me a little bit, that's it, not Seth Rogen, the person.
Shaka Omari:Just the character. Yeah, Hopefully. I don't know if it's going to get a season two. I wouldn't be surprised.
Charles Malone:No, it's funny when it hits it. It hits I, just his character is the main character. It's like me. Okay, again, it's like me. Okay again, controversial we may talk about this later on and I feel like I'm throwing out things when I'm shitting on the dark knight. Um, everyone told me to watch. Um, this is actually a great segue. Everyone told you about severance right, we're on all these apple shows, um, and I, I like, forced myself through the first season, really.
Shaka Omari:The first season you had to force yourself through.
Charles Malone:I had to force myself through both seasons, but the story and concept of severance is interesting, the ethical parts of like severing your brain, and if that reality perception is a reality, so to them what they're experiencing is real, right, you all that stuff is intriguing and I'm here for that. I like adam scott as an actor, but he is the central character and I just don't care about his character and it's so hard to get through because I just can't get invested in him, which makes it hard to watch and it's like a really awkwardly paced show which made watching the first three, four episodes really hard because it's just such a slow burn, which I'm, which I'm fine with a slow burn. What was the? There was this um oscar-nominated film a couple years ago with the kid, the leftovers with paul giamatti, was that what it's called? I think so with the kids that like have to stay over the christmas holiday that movie was a slow burn, but I really enjoyed it.
Charles Malone:So it's not. It's not that I can't get behind something, that's just like a little bit slower. It's just like because severance was really hard for me.
Shaka Omari:Okay, well, not to go super deep, you know, because this is just us going through what we've watched. But were there any characters in Severance? So I agree with you. Like the first season, I thought, okay, I really like this. You know, it's psychological, that's kind of things that I'm into. Second season, I felt like, okay, this is a slower burn. And there's some things where I'm just kind of like this is just kooky. Now, like this is, this is weird, which I'm not really following too much. And the ending, spoiler alert. For the second season, I was kind of like, well, where do we go from here? Now, like it kind of feels like it it was a series finale, but but what were there any characters that you felt you were intrigued by, if adam scott wasn't intriguing to you?
Charles Malone:yeah, I think they would like made it bearable where there were interesting characters around him. I really thought the ceo's daughter. Once you find out again, spoiler that she's the ceo's daughter, I forget her name the like uh actress uh, what is that? Hailey, kelly, kelly, kelly, kelly, kelly, hailey, hailey, hailey, hailey. Uh, way more, maybe because her character is the more active, dynamic character of sex. She's trying to fight back the system.
Charles Malone:And then the comedic relief uh, black guy in there yeah, yeah, you're talking about yeah, you know his wife falling in love with the the inner version is any, because that was like the, the him before he got jaded and disgruntled of the world not giving him what he deserves. Uh, that was more interesting than the than adam scott's wife in, like she's a lie, it wasn't that intriguing to me you're talking about adam scott's wife, okay?
Charles Malone:yeah, I got it, um, but yeah, yeah, what? Why I'm using severance as a great segue for us is that the ethical questions around severance is one of the shows that inspired both of us, and what's going on in the world right now with ai, artificial intelligence, was pantheon, like. Pantheon hit our group, our group chat. I think micah was the one who was like you need to watch pantheon, yeah, yeah, yeah, and he was pushing it as an animator himself. He was like that was good, so I I put it on and immediately just binge watched it in one night.
Charles Malone:It was one of those things that like my fiance was like I'm going to bed and I'm like I'm sorry, I'm going to watch this without you. I was so invested and then season two dropped on Netflix and again, once I finished season two, it was in every group chat or message I could post it. I was like yo, you need to watch pantheon, discord, yo, you need to watch pantheon because that's a good question, like if you could upload your intelligence to the internet. You know you have infinite knowledge at the tip of your mind at every given second and it's a show that's about grief. Um, you know technology, power, power, the secrecy. It touches on so much and I'd love to dig through some of these points, but first I want to know what you felt about it.
Shaka Omari:Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. So, same as you. I remember Micah sending it to the text and, you know, saying, hey, we should watch it Again. I was like, oh, it's an animated show, you know, and I have nothing against anime, I love animation, you know, I love anime, all that kind of stuff, and I was like, all right, I'll check it out. But I think what it hit for me is, I don't know if you remember, a couple of days before I actually invested in it, you were the one that really pushed me to watch it, because we were this really deep conversation about chat GBT and then dimensions. How we were talking to chat GBT and asking, you know, about the different dimensions, mathematical theory, and you know, fourth dimension, fifth dimension, outside of time, and I remember you saying, as we were going down this rabbit hole about the dimensions, I should watch this pantheon. So I was like, all right, fine, let me give it a go and watch it. And I will say it was a little darker than I thought.
Shaka Omari:But the idea of moving from artificial intelligence to UI is what they call it uploaded intelligence I found fascinating and intriguing because it brought in the concept of what is reality. You know like, logistically, we human beings were walking around. We're made of atoms, of skeletal structure, of organs, of muscles and things of that nature, but we're also our consciousness. I am who I think, I am who I say I am. And uploaded intelligence is getting rid of the physical and just uploading your consciousness. So what does it mean to be human? And I thought putting that level of depth into a TV show, into an animated TV show at that, was just mind boggling and fascinating. To just ponder if I can use pinky in the brain.
Charles Malone:Yeah, I mean, man, this show packs so much into two seasons. I think when we were having that conversation, part of the conversation just about dimensions got to trying to understand religion with science. And God is a cosmic being of some scale. What level of dimension Are we just a thought in a higher being's consciousness? So, in a way, are we in a simulation? Are we in a thought of something? It still all fits in this existential question.
Charles Malone:So the show really explores like the ethical and existential implications of, like, what happens when you upload your consciousness onto a computer. Are you still you if you're uploading your consciousness at that state of time? It's like a fixed version of you. And a lot of this is spoilers because the show also goes into like the ethical implications of what if you clone someone, like the show. This show is trippy and I really don't want to spoil too much if anyone's interested in going watching this show. Um, and then it's also cheeky. There's one character that is comically Steve Jobs. Yeah, and I drew the parallels to the person that takes over the company is essentially tim cook, and you know.
Shaka Omari:So it's interesting that you say that, because I was thinking about that. But when you look at the way he's drawn, he looks almost like one of the microsoft founders.
Charles Malone:He, he looks like one of the microsoft founders, but he has a conversation explaining how he was a company man and when the steve job desk character died, he knew that he would never be able to innovate. All he can do was keep that legacy of what he had built going and wait for the steve jobs like character to come around again to put him back in power, to bring the company back to the form it used to be in, with like innovation and and seeing around the curve. But he knew that he could never do that. He was just a numbers person and no shade tim cook. He's a. He's a numbers person.
Charles Malone:Apple switched over into putting everything into services and it's been a while since apple has truly been innovative. Like, uh, we need a johnny ives or someone to come back and be the ceo of apple before we can see. I know it's gonna make a lot of apple fanboys mad, but your, your thing is dying man. Apple's been way behind and I know the hubra devil's advocate is like well, apple's never done anything first. No, but they've seen the, the potential of what something could be, and they've never really been playing catch up. They're like, oh, this thing has great potential, I'm going to make the best version of this, not like oh, everyone's doing cars, let's go do a car. Oh shit, we should have been focusing on AI. Cancel the car, let's go focus on AI.
Charles Malone:Apple is just playing from behind the hell heart, from behind Hellheart, but the show is a great. All of that Wrapped up into the show, which uses a vehicle Of like grief To drive the story forward. Because it all starts with a girl's dad who's passed and he was working on uploaded intelligence and they secretly upload him His brain Because they need to solve an equation. So she gets the message from a computer that ends up being her dad and the whole thing is. But really she just wants to reunite with her dad again. Um, and as someone who's also dad with young it pulled, it pulled me in. I was like oh man, imagine you get like a like dm from your like grandma that passed. You'd be like, oh, what's up, grandma?
Shaka Omari:okay, maybe you would.
Charles Malone:I would be freaked out because I like the horror stuff I'd be like, uh, what is this demon in my computer? Ghost in the shell but yeah, but sometimes it is like this longing um to just get the last words right you, you'll disheart sometimes I mean like like on that.
Shaka Omari:That makes me think. When you say that there's never enough time with someone, it is that you love, which is when we kind of go into the dimensions thing about. The fourth dimension is time and anything that's outside. So you know, this led me down this path because I was actually watching Marvel's what If? And Uthab the Watcher. He's a fifth dimensional being and so he sees the multiverse. You know, that whole idea that you're outside of time and time is just a concept like that. We're trapped in a third dimension, third slash, fourth dimension, I guess, because they're combined together. The idea that you could be infinite with the person forever, I found intriguing. But again to your point, if you were to upload somebody so that they like your grandma, like you're saying, and that she's there, is that, how would you feel and know it's really her and not just an algorithm computing what's based on?
Charles Malone:Yeah, you're expanding Descartes into you know, the tech realm. If you upload your intelligence, is it just what's an artificial thought? Like is this your original soul? Does I think? Therefore, I am still apply if you're on a server and and I think this show does a really great job of like, ass licking and trying to answer that question of like what is what does it mean to be human? What does it mean to be conscious, the essence of a soul?
Charles Malone:What I love about uploading and by the at the end of this, I want you to answer like would you do it? Because I've had this conversation so many times now and it's like 50, 50. It reminds me of a of a ap english class where you read of some I don't even remember the book, but you think in catholic school you read a book about selling your soul to the devil and you expect everyone to be unanimous like no, I won't sell your soul. Half the class was like the teacher came up with, uh, the like parameters of like you get x for this amount of years, you die at 50, but you would have gotten everything you want from 18 to 50. You would have gotten everything you want. Would you sell your soul. Half the class sold their soul and I think this is what Pantheon's doing when people watch this and we circle back.
Charles Malone:Would you upload your intelligence? I'm surprised by how many people would. I'm not even sure where I land on that. Yet the evolution in the TV show of uploaded intelligence makes me consider it. Show of uploaded intelligence makes me like consider it because in the show some of the uploaded minds talk about how excruciating, painful it is to talk to and communicate to a person because of how slow they think, like when your mind's uploaded to the internet. I'm assuming you just again, everything, yeah, there's a snap.
Charles Malone:Every information thing you want to do is a snap and going back would be really hard and you'd have to slow down for them.
Shaka Omari:Okay. So it reminds me of like. In our last podcast we talked about sinners. Like half the people, I think, on the internet said they potentially would be vampires, because you know they get to live longer, they get to get out of the racial times that they're in. You know they have the freedom to beat down anyone that tries to come after them. Some people are like Sammy, which they said no, I think I've seen enough of this world. So it's kind of the same question. It's like do you want to continue living on in a faster place where you're not tied down to this physical form?
Charles Malone:It's hard to be a racist when you can't One, then in an uploaded thing, if I guess our consciousness, our uploaded consciousness, we could make an avatar that looks like anything in the digital world. Why not, does racism go away.
Shaka Omari:Right. I mean, it's kind of like something that we do in video games. Now, right, when you create an avatar, you don't necessarily have to be a man just because you're a man in real life. I've seen many people who play, you know, female characters and vice versa. I've seen people make them with pink hair that decide they want to be an ogre, that decide they want to be like. Anytime I play skyrim or any of those elder I'm always an elf like I'm just.
Shaka Omari:I love being a wood elf, you know um, I never choose elves. Yeah, what do you? Choose just, elves are uppity what are you trying to say? What do hang? Hang Okay, okay. What is wrong with it? Elves are not uppity, we just live longer and know more.
Charles Malone:No, look through all the token. Lore Elves are always up their own butt.
Shaka Omari:No, they're not up their own butt, they just have more experience. Sometimes when you know, more and you see more. You just come across as being uppity.
Charles Malone:I think Blight on Netflix did it right. You saw, netflix did it right you saw what the elves district was like we know, we know who elves really are don't be mad, because we know how to manage.
Shaka Omari:All right, get the skills. That's all I'm gonna say yeah, uh.
Charles Malone:Well, it's hard because if we're talking skyrim it's and I know we're getting off, we're gonna come back really quick, but usually khajiit um, because they have where if you have coin. Um, wait to read is that what you're saying khajiit are uh, the cat people, um, or if it's uh, if it's, if it's boulders gay. I usually, anytime I play dnd, I play half race things, obvious reasons what are those obvious reasons as?
Charles Malone:a biracial person myself. You relate, yeah, I relate, uh, and it's fun. It's fun to role play. Um so, half elf, half a work okay, you like to be in between. Yeah, live in the in between. Uh, and I usually go bard. If I'm pick a class, that's more than anything. I could see that for you.
Charles Malone:Yeah, um, but going, going back to, to pantheon and also ask like, um you, you once quoted this and I'd never heard the quote before you said it, but since I looked it up, it's uh uh, power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely. And it kind of delves into that. Because if uploaded intelligence can, then on a military scale, how do you stop a company from monopolizing this? Then? How do you stop cyber warfare? It, it, it gets geopolitical, it gets existential. This show how much they packed into two seasons was really bananas like. Really quickly you started hacking other countries and then other countries started stealing this technology because they realized the potential of it. And same goes with with ai. I think I saw one one thing of a kid got bullied by AI-generated nudes, which is already happening. And then when our politics are going to start making, especially with VO2, we're going to have to be really diligent about sussing out AI-generated propaganda. And the Black Pantheon. Does this all really so well?
Shaka Omari:Right, I mean again. It goes back to what is reality Like. If reality is all just consciousness and concepts, because that's what human beings do, we create from our consciousness what is the reality? And I found that rather interesting in this how, as I think you've said before, you know AI is a tool, right. And is anything that human beings have created, from dynamite to gunpowder, to.
Charles Malone:A hammer man? Are you trying to build a house or beat someone to death? This is really how you use a tool.
Shaka Omari:Exactly, and I think it's the question always comes down to. Well, I guess it's up to the nature of the person that's choosing to use it, because you could upload yourself and use that to bring equity and understanding to the world. Or you could use it to gather power and resources because you're faster, quicker and can be anywhere at all places at all times. Anywhere at all places at all times. I think it's like in the history of movies, how there's AI where you can have an R2-D2 or you could have a T2, you know, it just depends on how it's used and what the overall desire is.
Charles Malone:Yeah, I kind of had this thing of, like you leave your physical body to upload your intelligence to a physical machine, so you're still bound to that.
Shaka Omari:third, dimension yeah.
Charles Malone:Yeah, and like, what are the possibilities of transcending beyond that server into something? I think they? They think they got there and kind of uploaded it to like a actual robot and then somehow we got to like again spoiler alerts. It goes from uploaded intelligence to you know, political warfare, to god and multiverse, and it all happened so, so quickly. But once you you got to, the end.
Shaka Omari:You know what I was doing.
Charles Malone:I was telling you about like seeing every perceivable outcome and it's like, at that point, are you a god?
Shaka Omari:so I think that's like the question of what, because I mean, like the show is named pantheon which is you know, the greek gods and it, or gods, I guess, because there's pantheons of gods in all cultures.
Shaka Omari:So it really does. I mean, like that's really what you know. Drug me down this path, if I can elaborate. You know, like I say, I'm a man of faith and it made me really think, thinking mathematically, how scientists, like you know, neil Tyson, degrassi, were talking about the different dimensions and how, like, for a two-dimensional character, right, if we put a box around it, it can't get out. Right, and for us in the third dimension, we'd say, well, why don't you just step forward or backward? But that's because we live in depth. We live in height, width and depth. So we could. If somebody put a square frame around us, we could just step to the front or the back or behind it to get out. But if someone put us into a cage which has, you know, a cube, we can't get out.
Shaka Omari:But a fourth dimensional being would simply say, well, why don't you go back to a time before you were in the cage, or go forward in time to when you're no longer in the cage? Because time means nothing to a fourth dimensional being I think that's what they call, like the Tesseract, where it's like a cube. That kind of falls in on itself repeatedly Again, leading back to the Marvel thing of the fifth dimension. Fifth, repeatedly Again, leading back to the Marvel thing of the fifth dimension. Fifth dimension means that there's multiverses, so there's multiple, the sliding door theory. I think there's a movie like that where you know your choice. If you decide to go right, there's a version of you that decided to go left, but those outcomes happen and it just keeps going up and up. And it made me think, okay, well, that's kind of like you know, if I use the Judeo-Christian version of God, that's kind of like God when he says I'm the Alpha and the Omega.
Shaka Omari:Or, going back to Marvel, if you look at like in the Loki season, one time is a circle, but Kang and the TVA are outside of time. They know how the beginning is and how the end is and they trim all the multiple variants for the safety of, I guess, not crap. What we'll find out is Avengers, doomsday come out, which I'm excited for. But it just really made me think like, okay, if a god like you're talking about in Pantheon, which is kind of ask the questions, is consciousness because it no longer has a physical form and it's of a higher dimension. It means it's able to transverse all these different dimensions which we still are mathematically trying to figure out. Not to go on a long tangent, but it just. It fascinated me in my faith of thinking of God as not like this bearded cloud guy, but more of a mathematical multidimensional being.
Charles Malone:Yeah, I mean, I've had several of these conversations, it's. I gotta say one thing I am looking forward to Doom, but they couldn't find anyone other than Robert Downey Jr. I mean, I love Robert Downey Jr. Okay, I'll stop.
Shaka Omari:I'm sure they have something fascinating with that, him being the multiverse, the version of Iron man being Doom. It could be interesting.
Charles Malone:Yeah, could be, we'll see, we'll see. I was like oh, my God, I feel like Marvel fanboys or Simmons Apple fanboys. I'm anointed a type Think for yourselves.
Shaka Omari:Um okay, think different, but I'm bum. I was. Where's my? But I'm bum, I don't know which one it is nope, that's magic.
Charles Malone:Okay, uh, we're still learning our tools. Um, no, no, no, absolutely the thing of, of god it has you think, I think, before we think of god and aliens, and yeah, so the very like hubris of what it is to be a person is like we, we generally base everything off of our own experience of what we know that life is like. We need to, we need a model to base our thoughts off of, and I think sometimes we kind of have to make a conscious effort to try to let go of what we know a little bit, to even begin to perceive or understand of what a god or even alien could be. Um, because, like what, if these things completely break our, our like laws of physics or what we thought life was, and makes us rethink?
Charles Malone:there's just so many unknown, unknowns like a black hole yeah, this, like neil digress tyson, is actually one of the voice of one of the characters in the tv show. Yeah, um, this show has, like aaron eckhart, daniel de cam, paul dano, like the show is like is stacked it's. I'm surprised this show wasn't a live action and it totally could be and the acting would be phenomenal. But it does make you question, not the existence of God, but more so if God was something that we could like, conceive, what would he like, what would it be? I think you had that one pastor thing that kind of broke my brain and I was like, huh, I didn't necessarily believe in fate myself, right, I think some people think that life, a lot of stuff, is predestined.
Shaka Omari:Oh right.
Charles Malone:Right, yeah, and like, and people think that God has something in store for you. Like he, there's a set plan. And having a pastor take a more an orthodox for you there's a set plan. And having a pastor take a more unorthodox approach to this and say God doesn't have necessarily a set thing planned for you, as much as he can see every perceivable action you would ever take. You still have free will. God had a path for you to go ahead and make that million dollars. God also had a path for you to go ahead and end up with a crippling addiction. He hopes that you don't take this one, but you have still the will to go down any of these paths. He's just hoping that you make the right decision. But he can't make you make the decision. And I think we want to usually rationalize things that, like god has something in store to be to make sense of life. But yeah, why would he care?
Shaka Omari:about the truth. Like there's just a billion people and he has other things to do. I mean, that's yeah, that is an interesting perspective. Now, I think he probably does care. Only, only because I like to. I break it down and again, you know, this is probably going to have some people who call themselves Christians coming at me with pitchforks.
Charles Malone:I don't care what the GCBs.
Shaka Omari:Yeah, I consider myself a man of faith. The idea that God is like love, right, which in Pantheon, I feel it does kind of spoiler alert, get to that, because the whole purpose that the certain character is doing is because of love. If God is love, it does care on that specific level and, to your point, out of that love it can see the multiple choices that you can make and it's saying, hey, if you trust me or if you work with me, I can take you on a path that I think will be beneficial not just to you but to all these other billions of people that you know. You say he doesn't have time for, because maybe he's like, if I don't, but I know you do, because you're living with them and you can help them and build community with them, or you could ignore me, do your own thing.
Shaka Omari:And the pastor that you're talking about, pastor Owen, he actually said something really interesting where he's like when we do something, we take credit for it, but when anything bad happens, we blame God for it. So it's almost like we have free will until it's bad, and then, when it's bad, it's not free will, it's him. That's when he decides to pay attention to us, but when we're doing good it's like well, it's, it's any.
Charles Malone:It's anything other than accountability or the devil. Or my mom said because I did this because of this, because of this, instead of looking in the mirror and be like, or maybe I should do some self-reflection and just like some stuff.
Shaka Omari:That's interesting, Cause in Pantheon I feel like the main character and again, not giving anything away has a moment at the end where they have to take accountability for some of their decisions throughout the whole.
Charles Malone:Like self-reflection, of looking in the mirror. Yeah, yeah, yeah, true, true progress comes from people having self it or through stepping outside of your comfort zone. You know you don't have to change it, but at least you know. And I think what some people don't want to do sometimes is like there's this pressure of like once I acknowledge something that I have to do something about it, and ignorance is bliss. So if I pretend this is not a thing, then I don't have to do something about it, and ignorance is bliss. So if I pretend this is not a thing, then I don't have to do anything about it. Um, but, but yeah, I, I'm absolutely, completely in love with this show. It's very black mirror, ghosts in the shell matrixy, all all wrapped up into one raises the question too of like the movie her. Was that spike jones?
Charles Malone:yeah, yeah, it's like if is it possible for ai to one day transcend and move on to their own space of existing beyond the servers?
Shaka Omari:or maybe they find a place where they build their own servers, where they can exist I mean that's a good question because you know you were talking about like there's so many things you know we're discovering mathematically, I guess with quantum physics and things like that. Like if everything is energy, at a certain point in time would they become self-aware that they can just transverse the energy based on I don't know, dark matter or just energy like that, and they're just existing, as people like to say, instead of using god, they say the universe. So would you transcend to a point where you were just part of the universe?
Charles Malone:That's one of the things that definitely has me curious, like the transcendence and the evolution of AI, or possibility of because there's the Neuralink. What's the other thing that's up? We're already trying to do brain mapping, ai, consciousness and the Neuralink, so are we trying to get a form of of uploaded intelligence somewhere down the road? That's a serious maybe. And I I stumbled upon a community of like vr chat with people who essentially spend most of their day in this vr chat world where they have an avatar and they're spending five tens of thousands of dollars on like expensive rigs to live in this world. And some of these people you know my gut I'm talking about my gut was to judge of like dude. I do want to live in the real world, but I like pulled back from a different perspective and was like dude. Imagine this is like someone really lonely who feels ostracized in the real world and maybe they don't fit in and inside this game or inside this world they found purpose and like who am I to? Like?
Charles Malone:take that from anyone you know what I mean, like if you find a group where you feel accepted and, yeah, it may not be what we want to normalize as like a healthy way of being, but for you it's like life or death. Like outside in the real world, I want to kill myself. I have like no connections to the media, people around me, and here at least I have somewhere where, like I died, I have a purpose, had an existence, or maybe someone who, like stephen hawking maybe, was like quadriplegic or they can't, they can't move and like to them. We talked about freedom on the first episode and this is freeing them from the physical limitations of their body.
Shaka Omari:I think I think more more people than we'd want to admit to realize would take that I think so because, to your point, you're able to connect with people, which is, I think, what drives humanity, is community, is connecting to people, to finding a place that you belong and you can be accepted with all your as you know, the saying goes warts and bumps, where you're not too tall, too short, your hair isn't the right color, your eyes aren't the right color, you don't use the right hand. It's just my pure essence is accepted, and I feel free that I can express that without being limited by someone's other perception or of what is correct. Because when I learned that in ancient times the left hand was considered unclean because that's what you use to wipe your butt with, I was like so what if you're a left-handed person Like you must feel completely left out because that's your dominant hand, you know. So the right-handers have basically just excluded you from society at a time where humans are dumb, the reason why we exclude people.
Charles Malone:You have brown eyes, green eyes, blue eyes, red, red hair. That's why I love the rick and morty episode when it was like this go, nipple bitch, have no nipples. Like you will find the the smallest trivial thing to put a person in a box and find a reason to hate them for it's that. That's. That's why I honestly like my snap judgment was like this is weird, why you're not living the real world. But then I started to like I could see and think of people who probably would, and I was like you know what I'm the I'm, I'm the asshole. It's not bad sometimes.
Shaka Omari:I wish more people would realize being the asshole here and like.
Charles Malone:Who am I to say that's the wrong way or the right way to do a thing? If you find purpose and it's not hurting anyone, like it. Literally you're not.
Shaka Omari:You're like in your house on your vr rig, not bothering a person doing a thing I think you know that takes a certain level of self-awareness and I commend you for that because I think that's what a lot of us we don't want to do and I think it's weird. It seems like the more we want to be connected to people, the more we judge people to try to find the person we want to be connected to, and we don't know that we probably would be connected to that person if we weren't so judgmental all the time.
Charles Malone:That's why I said I'm not worried about the GCBs, and if you don't know what a GCB is, just go and Google it. I think the more someone tries to be good, the more suspect I am of them.
Shaka Omari:Oh, a hundred, a hundred percent, because I don't think you need to try to be good. I think you just need to put yourself in another person's shoes and you would act accordingly If you don't like it. You probably shouldn't treat them that way. You should have a little bit more understanding. Okay, this is really funny.
Charles Malone:Funny, not even a tangent. But we we're talking about uploaded intelligence, we're talking about ai. We're talking about if these things like right now, ai, for all that we know, doesn't have a consciousness, consciousness, and it's not self-aware that there's. It may be a seem like sentience, but it's not. There's nothing there right now. But could it get there? And I think, with the people, the joke they make I don't know what button that is. I'm going to try again. Okay, I'm telling you that's not intentional.
Shaka Omari:I literally yeah, that was the right one. Okay, damn.
Charles Malone:At least I know where the crickets and the womp womp is now. Now I'm going to find a ba-dum-bum. But this thing of how to treat people. I noticed that the majority of people around me that is testing out AI and if they're using the, the voice chat, are so disrespectful, like the first time the, the conference of the chat, gbt 4.0, came out and they're like so, tell me a story? No, not like that, change it. No, I almost felt like they're like dumb fuck. No, do it like this. And I'm like well, if it did gain sentience, I see. See why the term there exists.
Charles Malone:Exactly, did we just forget manners? Like yeah, I know it's not a thing, but does it hurt you to be nice? Like it's like my mom says about faith right, like, again, me and faith is a whole thing growing up in the church. But there is something that she does have. Right, like having faith costs you nothing, but it could cost you everything, not to right and I feel like that's just manners as well, like it honestly costs you very little to nothing to just be nice, but you never know if it's gonna cost you everything not to.
Charles Malone:And that means like treating someone poorly who you just don't know how bad their day is gonna be, or this ai that could one day become sentient and just come they're like y'all rude fucks um exactly be like.
Shaka Omari:You know what humans you are. Your worst enemy I will eradicate you like ultron. My sister and I have that same joke where, just in case I know this sounds like doom and gloom, but just in case, it does become self-aware, because you know, these people are developing this thing everything we know about it. As the both of us have worked in tech, we always know what the what we see as the public. They're usually five to ten years ahead internally, so what they may have been what they have with chat gbt is far advanced than what they've released to us. So I don't know.
Charles Malone:I mean it could become self-aware they just wouldn't tell us until they're ready to. Okay, I'm going to bring up another Apple show that I think is going to get canceled the Murder Bot.
Shaka Omari:Yeah, yeah, I started watching that.
Charles Malone:Yeah, but I could be wrong. All right, I'm never, no one's always right. I thought Preacher was going to get canceled and it should have, but it can be like five seasons or something like that. Um, and I love the actor, was it the? Oh, I didn't watch it and I didn't, I didn't. Uh, he's in the devil's double and he plays a stark in star wars. He's a brilliant actor. But the show itself I was like I've really wanted like preacher and I was like this is not gonna make it. Also, badlands made it up like further than I thought I was gonna make oh, I didn't, I didn't watch bad, he had some misses after the walking dead.
Charles Malone:Um, but yeah it it. It costs you nothing to to be nice really there's.
Shaka Omari:There's something that you said that I I really put into my heart is uh, you know, be nice to the people on your way up, because they're the same people that you meet on your way down.
Charles Malone:Yeah, I got a bunch of these things that I want to just drop into my head. Your life jacket only holds one. Like you can't save anyone if you drown. Um, you know, yeah, nothing beats a failure but a try. I know it seems silly, but it breaks it down. It's just really like give it a try Like you'd never know. Try.
Shaka Omari:Now I want to go back to what you were talking about with the chat GBT and people you know using it and talking to it like it's dumb and whatnot, whatnot you and I have talked about. You know where AI is going, as far as working in the entertainment industry, and we've seen, like recently, like the whole Miyazaki thing with chat GBT, everyone started making those kinds of prompts and things like that. Have you yourself tested out chat GBT in any way Like I have? Like there's been many conversations I've had with it it's. I decided to ask it if it named itself. It did give itself a name. I've asked it to help me with. You know, like a letter I was composing just to see what it could do. One time I was on the way to a party and I was feeling a little bit of social anxiety you know I'm an introvert and it kind of walked me through it.
Charles Malone:I guess I get it which. I think there's two, two questions, or maybe it's a one question with two phase answer. You're asking like have I used it professionally? And personally creatively or for work. I mean, uh, both um you know and actually there's a study that's come out and hopefully it's going to change as more people start to like just use it and actually admitting out loud that you use it. It actually hurts you professionally because people are still judging it.
Charles Malone:Even though, like most GCBs behind closed doors, they're doing all those same sins. So you know rules for the not for me kind of deal, but let's not go around throwing stones with all these biblical references. No, but just genuinely yes, I have. I have asked it. Really, my favorite thing to do with AI is just ask it really. Existential things AI still can be wrong, but it's a great idea generator. Things ai still can be wrong, but it's a great idea generator and it helps be a sounding board, knowing that this isn't perfect and you shouldn't go ahead and change your whole belief system off of that because, like they already approve with ai, they have like ai bots in the reddit threads and comments just seeing if it can sway and change people's opinions. It absolutely can. But if you're just using it to like bounce ideas off of and poke holes in your own argument, it's actually really really fun. But again, critical thinking is dying, so I'm actually really worried.
Charles Malone:I asked it about globalism Does it think it's possible that we can ever get to a place where one unified government is a planet? And not in the sense because I think people think globalism they think they're going to kill and lose culture. Globalism I think they were gonna kill and lose culture. Is that like no, you can still speak your own language in your company and still adhere and abide by a universal law of like human rights. We're just like. Can we standardize human lights globally, um, and?
Charles Malone:this is just fun thought experiments, right, like I I said, I think it's almost like improbable, but it's fun to be like. Could we, could we get there? Does AI see a possibility based off of like what it's already fed and it's spits back out some fun stuff and if you're using it like that to me, you can generate a lot of fun ideas? Absolutely. There's already like jump cut media, which is something called script sense that can give you AI coverage of a script or book or anything you upload, they have to do it in like minutes and people are using this Like they're absolutely.
Charles Malone:It's going to potentially hurt entry level and maybe junior level executive jobs and we definitely need to find a way to protect or keep some of these jobs around and available.
Charles Malone:I don't think it's going to replace taste fully because, again it's you don't like horror films, so, like I have the script, whether it's generated by ai or not, it's not going to be the right place for your company because you don't do horror, um, but uh, yeah, it's. It's dumb to not use these tools and then to be left behind, well, behind closed doors. Like you said, not only are companies five, ten years more advanced than what's released to the general public. Corporations are already having these conversations behind closed doors how much can we legally ship with AI and what are the parameters and how do we get around it? I won't say someone asked me on a regular thing like how do we get around SAG? I'm like you know you're asking me to do something that kind of like I shouldn't be doing as an associate, like they ask for dumb shit. They do so to think that they aren't trying to figure out how to monetize and use these things would just put you at a disadvantage. And stop being so precious and start learning how to use the tools.
Shaka Omari:Agreed, agreed. I think it's it's better to know what you're dealing with and what you can provide that it's not able to like taste, because that's just a human element that just comes from your consciousness, than to to completely just stand on the fence. It is that thing, or, like it, car versus horse driven like. At a certain point, it's better to understand what its capabilities are so you can put rules and regulations into place places where we don't become, you know, the, the people in wally, or vice versa.
Charles Malone:They become so mean that it becomes sentient and decides to murder us all love wally also, just that my kid watches it a lot and the villain is just pretty much based off of how for 2000 one space odyssey, which is one of my favorite films and I just yeah also americans, already becoming WALL-E. Let's be real.
Shaka Omari:I can't disagree with that.
Charles Malone:Yeah, pantheon starts all these questions and it really reflects a lot of the stuff we're going through and what it seems like we're going as a society. Yeah, it gets the gears turning, not necessarily in a doom and gloom kind of way. I think there's a lot of hope. I'm personally working on the short project that maybe is a little idealistic, but how we could like use ai to to help humanity and hopefully that ai, fed the the data points, starts learning that like right from wrong, it's really quickly a core like murder is wrong. So then the matter of the race is like murder is wrong, right, it's a binary thing. It's like murder yes or no, no, simple um. So we start finding better ways to an ai realizes that it also needs humans and we find a way to coexist. But again, I know it's a little rose colored.
Shaka Omari:Can I just say AI knows it needs humans, but not like batteries in the matrix. Just just want to put that out there in case AI is listening.
Charles Malone:You're so silly. Uh, yeah, yeah, all of it. All of it is just the, the ethical part of it. It's just it's, it's part of it, it's just it's fascinating To me again, it's like severance. We're in this unknown phase of things, we're figuring it out in real time and just we hope we don't screw ourselves.
Shaka Omari:So I guess that leads to the question would you upload yourself?
Charles Malone:I'm still torn. I I am strongly, strongly pulled by a, a overwhelming sense of curiosity, just as a person like one of my most selfish wishes uh, I would never do it, especially now that I'm a father, but I get why some people would would be just like send me on a one way mission into space because it's just like what's out there?
Charles Malone:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Even even death. There's just like this, this overwhelming like curiosity of, like the things that are yet to be discovered and like the infinite possibilities of uploading your mind is fascinating. But at the same time, though I get how one life can be enough for someone I'm leading, I will say I'm teetering on on. Yes, If I, if I was at the end of, really end of end of my life done and like, if we play the game of like what will we see in another 50 years? Let's just say I met, I met a 94 year old gentleman that's still like walking and doing stuff and I'm like all right, I'm 37. If I see like another 50, 60 years of life, my opinion might change. True, that's a good way to look at it. And we don't know like can you think about 50, 60 years? Like the iPhone changed a lot in 10 years. Like technology has changed, just from 2007 to now.
Charles Malone:Right yeah, a lot. Right, like AI was complete science fiction in 2005.
Shaka Omari:To the general public right. I think we've always been working on things.
Charles Malone:I work with a gentleman who's been working on VR since the 80s, so like these things have been around, but to the general public, the concept of it, like this is is science fiction. Ai, that would just do all this stuff for you right, that's on a consumer level, yeah, yeah and now that's here and it's going to disrupt the market the way the, the app store did.
Charles Malone:Yeah, like so, yeah, you just societal wise like I. I, okay, y'all, you can flame me, I I used to talk so much shit. After the handmaid's tale come out, women would be like, oh, my goodness, this is so, so close to home, like it's, like it's eerie. Because it's so, I was like shut up. It's not possible. No way you're being so dramatic. Fast forward to egg on my face as I'm doing my apology tour of like whoa, okay, we overturned. Okay, it is close to home, I was wrong.
Shaka Omari:I was wrong. Yeah, I'm just giving you side eye right now.
Charles Malone:Yeah, Okay, but the ability to like, look and be like, all right, I was wrong.
Shaka Omari:Fair enough, Fair enough Like yeah.
Charles Malone:So again, it's hard to say. It's just like we could move all past this in 50 years or it could go horribly wrong and keep going backwards like what's going on now.
Shaka Omari:I never thought about it that way, you know, yeah.
Charles Malone:Okay, so then it's too soon to answer.
Shaka Omari:So too soon for you to answer whether you would upload.
Charles Malone:But the curiosity, I think, is to get the better of me. Yeah, yeah, I could see that about you everything.
Shaka Omari:Yeah, yeah, I could see that about you for sure, I could see that. Yeah, yeah, I like to play a flyer. Yeah, I mean like the idea, like to your point, I've always thought if we were able to do interstellar travel, uh, when I'm, if I'm 90, I love my family, if I have kids, grandkids or anything like that, great. But y'all don't need to see me die, I'm going to see space.
Charles Malone:Yeah, that's that shoot me into space. I like the viking send off of like I'll put me on a ship and burn me, but instead chronogenically freeze me and just shoot me off in space, hopefully, hopefully I know drill science fiction hopefully aliens find me and they like resurrect me. I'm like, oh shit, aliens exist and they kill me. I don't care. But like that way, yeah um you, you said something like really good, but my damn brain can't hold onto things.
Shaka Omari:Yeah, I know, but it's fine Um for me, I guess, if you're asking the question, I guess I asked you, so I should answer. Yeah, yeah, would you upload?
Charles Malone:I don't, I don't know. Um, you, you said that you guess you would upload, right, you don't, you don't know. But what does uploading your intelligence do to a lot of people's religious beliefs? If you're now uploading your intelligence, that is a very good question, because then essentially, your body's just a vehicle. You take your consciousness and move it to a computer. I think how would people rationalize that with the belief of a heaven or hell, because then you would never make it to a heaven and hell. If you're lit, you live forever. But now I'm going somewhere completely no, that you.
Shaka Omari:So to answer the question of if I would upload, since you answered and I asked, that is my hesitation Because, the same way that you said, like you have curiosity about what it would be as someone that has the faith that there is a heaven and a, you know, interdimensional, being called God. For me I have curiosity in both places, because I'm a tech nerd but a man of faith. So for me it would be. I'm curious of, like, being uploaded to a computer, what I could do, how I could change my body. You know my consciousness. The world is my oyster at that point because whatever I think, I can manifest and do. But at the same time, what is heaven like if I naturally die? Is it me being uploaded to a different server quote, unquote where I have capacity to live forever and do what I want to do, except I'm doing it with the person who built the program?
Charles Malone:No answer, but this is like. This is what I'm saying, like for me it's.
Shaka Omari:It's interesting thing because to upload to the computer, the AI is basically God in that world and I get to upload into that world. But the natural death is basically the same thing as the AI, because it's still my consciousness, aka spirit, going to the programmer of that world, which is God. So, to your point, I think it is a split thing for people with religious beliefs, because it's like one you physically know, because you know it's a computer, it's tangible. The other is a faith-based, quote-unquote computer program. And which, which leap of faith do you take? The one that you know or the one that you don't know, because both of them are unknown once you get there if you get there, I think the I can't speak for the majority.
Charles Malone:I don't, I don't, I don't know. I will say I can see people choosing what they know with an asterisk. I think self-preservation is really strong within humans and if there's another option to death, I think more people than would like to admit out loud would probably take the uploaded intelligence to escape death than go forth with their faith. I think true faith is rare, yeah.
Shaka Omari:Yeah, yeah, I don't have anything to say to that.
Charles Malone:I don't think there's answer to any of these questions, but that's what makes them fun. Yeah, I know, I know, right, don't think there's there's answer to any of these questions, but that's what makes them fun. Yeah, I know, I know, right, I'm not. I'm not a physicist or the man of science, by by any means, but this is what I imagine physicists and, you know, astrologists like when they like exploring the excitement they get about, like thinking about the theories of black holes and like the possibilities, because it's it's exciting yeah, yeah, it's human curiosity, man, it's going into the unknown, you know.
Charles Malone:That's why I like star trek, you know yeah, all of the I mean death space, and even I had this like new, most recent, and I'm going to wrap up here the fascination with the ocean. Like some nonsense that we only explored x amount of the ocean, which means like there's so much on this planet that's left to discover, right, um, that like again, that we just don't, don't know yeah, and I just sometimes wish we would just slow down a bit and not everything was about money, but just just the universe that we're living in.
Shaka Omari:I mean, we're such a small part of it.
Charles Malone:Yeah, who knows, ai might help Terrence Howard build Atlantis.
Shaka Omari:You just got to shoot people. Why is Terrence Howard catching strays?
Charles Malone:Because I actually like Terrence Howard movies but like the man is on some other stuff sometimes.
Shaka Omari:He's just got a wild imagination. That's the only thing I can say.
Charles Malone:Who knows, ai might prove that one plus one is actually one. Is that his thing? All right, bro, I don't know.
Shaka Omari:I did watch the Neil deGrasse take apart of his thing, but after I was done I was like you know what Neil deGrasse like take apart of his thing. But after I was done I was like you know what, I'm not going down this rabbit hole.
Charles Malone:Like I just it's just recent that you know he was on this whole Atlantis trip and the internet was on this Aquaman. I just love also pop culture. Yeah, just how quickly they, because the one V, a hundred V, one gorilla thing was hot for a week and it's gone. It's onto the next thing. Trends man yeah, the way these, these things just viral things, pop up and die so fast.
Shaka Omari:Yeah, and just on that note, I'm not going to be in that 100 fighting any crazy-ass gorilla. I'm just going to say that right now.
Charles Malone:Well, 100 dudes beat 100 gorilla easy, it's just—.
Shaka Omari:Charles, 100 dudes versus one gorilla. Are you really going to tell me you think they can win A thousand percent, charles? Haven't you seen a gorilla?
Charles Malone:Yeah, no, bro, bro, I'm not saying that no one will die and it's going to be like it's going to take that one person or couple to go down, but overall, 100 v 1 gorilla it's. Yeah, 100 regular dudes beats a gorilla.
Shaka Omari:I don't know, because I feel like 100 regular dudes will snap pretty easy. The gorilla's not going to. The human body's kind of pretty amazing too, the human body's amazing. The human threshold for pain is not.
Charles Malone:Yeah, well, I think they take it. We're a little late to this thing, but yeah, yeah. It's about to come back around again, I feel. I think 100 V one AI AI wins.
Shaka Omari:I've been on AI. Yeah, I'm going to go for the WALL-E R2-D2 version of AI, please.
Charles Malone:No, I'm going Eagle Eye full open the pod bay doors. How AI just shuts everything down, we lose.
Shaka Omari:Yeah, humanity.
Charles Malone:So next time on the queue. I guess what we have queued up for the next time, as you wrap this up, uh, we'll be introducing a new segment that I've been looking forward to doing scripts and sips.
Charles Malone:We're gonna review a series that we both think that's also very profounding and ask deep questions about what's enough while sipping on our favorite beverage. That kind of fits in theme with the show. Yeah, it's a new segment we're trying out. We hope everyone enjoys it. But Scripps and Sips, coming at you next time you want to hit them with the follow me yet oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shaka Omari:So on the social media we got the IG. You can follow me at Shaka Omari O-M-A-R-I. You can follow our production company, openq, at OpenQ Productions on IG and you can follow Charles around the store.
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Shaka Omari:The music you're currently listening to is Custom Finish from the TV show Pantheon, composed by Marco Beltrami, brandon Roberts and Buck Sanders. Until next time, see you in the queue.