46. Spirit-Led Artwork Turns Intuition Into Magic with Delana Luna

Something strange happens when a piece of art feels like it already belongs to someone you have never met. I sit down with Delana, an artist joining me from Sweden and the creator behind the Museum of Magical Objects, to talk about spirit-led artwork and the real-world process of making “magical objects” that are meant to be used, not just admired.

We trace how her path moved from academic work into a practice shaped by ancestral magic, symbolism, and a creative method called superficction: writing and visual craft combined to create artifact-like pieces that push the mind into questioning what’s true. That push-and-pull is not a gimmick. It can create a genuine shift in perception, the kind that opens new pathways for insight, healing, and choice.

Then we slow down and get practical about the clair senses: clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, and claircognizance. We talk about what they feel like, why so many people crave “seeing” as proof, and how self-trust is the real muscle behind intuitive development. From there, we connect the dots to the bigger picture: how capitalism and productivity culture flatten sensitivity, numb empathy, and train us to look outside ourselves for answers.

Delana shares what it looks like to create commissions, to recognize talismanic materials, and to follow spirit messages as they unfold into objects like bind runes, rune sets, and even activation meditations designed for liminal and dream-space work. We also talk about energetic exchange, why giving spiritual labor away can drain the work, and why sacred tools should feel like heirlooms, not disposable purchases.

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Transcript

Welcome And What We Explore

Jess Callahan 0:01

Hey guys, welcome back to the Conditional to Consciousness podcast. I just want to start by saying how much I absolutely love this conversation. Delana is an artist and she's funny and she is just an absolute beacon of light. She creates spirit-led artwork. She runs the Museum of Magical Objects and she uses her spiritual gifts to create these really beautiful pieces for spiritual practitioners. But how she works is really cool. So she creates commissions, but there are also times when she creates these like really niche and intricate pieces, and she has absolutely no clue who they're for until that person finds her work and realizes that it was made like just for them. So in this conversation, we talk about her process, we talk about how she came to do this work. We also talk um, you know, in detail about the Claire senses, and at the end we get a little bit deeper when we talk about like this sense of disconnection that, you know, collectively a lot of people are experiencing. It's a disconnection from feeling and intuition, and it's really what's behind so much of the healing that our world so desperately needs right now. So let's dive in. Delana, thank you so much for being here with me today. Really, really excited to have this conversation, especially across the ocean. You're joining me from Sweden, which I just love. Um, I'd love to just start by turning it over to you and asking just like how how it is that you got here to this place where you are creating these like just like magical objects. And I just I want to know the whole story.

Delana Luna 1:42

Okay, yeah, well, magical objects is definitely the term that I use. I think that the whole story is too long, but um, I'll try and do a nutshell and then maybe we can unpack bits of it that you're like more interested in. So about three years ago now, I um packed up all of my stuff in Australia and I decided that I wanted to follow my ancestral magic, which is uh Italian and Scandinavian, and go to Europe. Now, I'm lucky enough to have Italian citizenship. So I knew that I was going to be able to live and work, right? So that was a no-brainer. Um, I was also lucky enough at the time that I'd already been working for a year and a half, maybe two years, as a spiritual consultant for um the Soul Path Institute. So I had a remote job that was already, you know, in line with all the stuff that I love, um, that I could just take my computer and go. So I organized uh three or four different artist residencies because I was also doing my PhD at the same time. Um and yeah, got on a plane and left. Um and then had, I don't really know how to describe this, like a pretty unpleasant time, to be honest with you. Like I went to a lot of these places that the um overwhelming um feedback that you get is like, you know, oh, it's so spiritual, it's so beautiful, I could live there forever, like I loved this about it, the people are so welcoming, like all of these kinds of things. And I went, and maybe because I was traveling as like a lower um financial bracket, you know, uh, or because I don't know, I I'm a high resonance sensitive, so I can't block things out. So if they're there, they're part of my experience. Um and yeah, I just had this really unpleasant time in Europe in all of these places that were supposed to be really beautiful. I saw that it was really dirty. Um, there were lots of animals uh that you know were homeless, that people were like, oh, they're fine to me, it like broke my heart. Um there was uh a lot of like interpersonal stuff, a lot of patriarchy, a lot of sexism that just didn't wash for me. So I wasn't in this um oh, you know, like separated kind of like high vibe magical experience that people uh describe having. Um but I was also having a lot of spiritual experiences. Um and I started writing about it for my PhD as well. So um my PhD turned from me uh making a comparative study of uh the kind of artwork that I was specializing in at the time into me actually defining how I was creating art and why and I'm talking about something called superfiction, why superfiction was a vehicle for me to be able to uh uh discover what it is that I was doing, which I now call spirit-led artwork. Uh, and that has to do with using your Claire abilities when you're making an artwork. And I think that uh if people are are wondering, and people do ask me a lot if uh they can use their Clare abilities for the artwork that they're already doing, and I would say yes, 100%, any kind of artist that you are, you can integrate these extrasensory abilities. But the work that I make just happens to be artwork that is spiritually based, uh like spiritually saturated for other spiritual practitioners, you know, so it kind of like um kind of like um that was the most unprofessional sentence ever, wasn't it? It really, it really um it weaves in on itself. So uh everything that that I'm doing has layers and layers and layers.

Superfiction And Spirit-Led Artwork

Jess Callahan 6:00

Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's beautiful. So okay, so if we're talking about spirit-led artwork, and I think um that relates to this idea, what did you call it, super fiction?

Delana Luna 6:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So super Go ahead. Well, okay, so I've always been like a hyper spiritual being, like ever since ever. I don't remember not being like this. Um the only th, you know, thing about my existence was that as I grew, um, what became clear to me was that I needed to hide that. I couldn't speak to everybody about these things that happened. And then as you go into your sort of, you know, teenage twenties, whatever, um, there's actually quite a lot of shame that comes around it. So people are fascinated, but also people are are like, oh, she's nuts, or like, I don't believe in that, or you know, and it becomes very sticky, you know? So you you kind of like fold it into yourself, right? But because I was hyper-spiritual, uh, it was always leaking out in what I wanted to do. So uh I've done a lot of uh scientific study before in my life. Uh I've done environmental science. Um, I actually have a bachelor's degree in um metaphysics and moral philosophy. Uh, and then I was drawn more into my uh minor, which was creative writing, but I've always been a creator as well. I've always been making artwork my whole life, just you know, every spare uh moment is uh is making things. And so um I didn't actually realize, but I couldn't have really chosen it better to take all of these things and then weave them together. And then when I was doing my um PhD uh in the first university that I that I started in, um uh I discovered this thing called superfiction. And when I discovered superfiction, it was basically a way of describing what I was doing already, which was um combining creative writing with visual artwork. And because you create and you write at the same time, what ends up happening is that the finished artwork looks more like uh something that is uh a historical artifact, anthropological object, right? It looks real, it seems real, and that's the point of superfiction because what you want to try and create for the viewer is this push and pull effect out of like, you know, true and false reality and fiction, right? And then the only thing really that you're hoping will happen to the person that's experiencing this is that they will stop and they'll think about it and they'll go, Oh my god, that is so fucking fascinating. And because a part of superfiction is making something very well, very intricately, um they will go, Well, this is real. Oh my god, I had no idea, you know, this event, this place, this thing, whatever existed. And then as they look at it more, there are obvious flaws, like things that are too good to be true, or little jokes that you've added in. And as they investigate, they go, hang on, that's not true, but that is, but that's not true, but that is. So is this real? And then they have this moment where they start going, like, oh, I've been tricked. This is a fake, you know? And then you people have to start thinking about like, why did I believe that that was true in the first place? Why do I think that it's less valuable now that I know that it's a fake, you know? Uh, is it a piece of artwork? Is it this? Is it that? Right. And so basically what you're doing through, you know, creating this moment for somebody is getting them to develop new synaptic pathways. And that's like the whole deal behind super fiction. Like, so you're making beautiful artwork, the stories are fantastic and could probably stand on their own, but when you put somebody in this opportunity to have a self-made altered mind state, uh, that it really does uh, like in hypnosis, uh, create new synaptic pathways. And so when I started looking at this and really delving into it in my PhD, the thing that I noticed that was overwhelmingly similar was uh for, okay, now we won't use the word shamanism, but it is still applicable for uh Sami and um Mongolian uh artwork uh and the way that they would make things, but for let's just call them like medicine people, like you know, soul artwork in indigenous cultures, you know, almost everywhere. One of the main roles of what they do as a medicine person is provide a shift of perception, an altered mind state for the village to be able to problem solve differently, blah, blah, blah. And when I joined that together, I just, you know, had a moment of being like, oh my God, okay, so I've spent my whole life kind of trying to compartmentalize my spirituality and put it in the back somewhere. And what's happened is that I've ended up making this artwork that completely honors what I or feel drawn to as my organic life purpose anyway. And so then I started unpacking um, how does this work for me? How do I make a super fiction? Like what's actually happening in my brain while I'm doing this? And as I started to do that, I was also um going through some training with two different teachers. And when I learned about Claire abilities, I realized that I was learning about the very thing that I was looking for. So in my mind, I knew that I was using this symbolic way to communicate with spirit to integrate into my artwork, but then I was actually finding out the names for these things and you know, getting a really like solid base to research and journal and you know, experiment. And um, it just blew my brain wide open. And I started making things that were just on a next level, like not only did it make sense in terms of like how they resonated as like my own ancestral ancestral magic, how they resonated as magical objects within themselves, but also uh my communication with spirit as to like um what the object that I was making should be used for, and what kind of practitioner should then use this object to enhance their own practice, and it really just, you know, um filled me up in a way like a psychedelic experience would know. It's like this is what I'm supposed to do.

Clair Senses Explained Without Hype

Jess Callahan 13:23

Wow. Wow, my gosh. Okay, so I want to come back to the art itself in a minute. I want to sidestep to claribilities as you're talking about because I think that um, I don't know, it's an area that I think can can come with confusion. And so I want to break that down. Um, like how what well, can you explain your understanding of clarabilities? But then also like what does it actually feel like when you're using them in the process of like creating art?

Delana Luna 13:55

Okay, right. There's a lot, yeah. Um so I believe I don't like the word belief, uh, because it that makes it seem like it's something that's up for um discussion. Uh in my understanding of how the human brain works, everybody has clair abilities. It's just part of how your brain works, right? Um so there's clairvoyance, which is sight, uh, and that's something that I think that it has been, you know, like pushed in in mainstream media and whatever. Uh and I don't think that okay, when somebody says clairvoyant, um, I think that most people probably think of a medium, uh, which is somebody that you know can you talk to past people, uh, you know, dead people basically, um, and other things uh in the in the spirit realm um to pass on messages. But a medium is definitely um somebody that's very much uh about developing their relationship and being able to pass you messages from other human beings that have now passed on. Um, but what clairvoyance really is, is you know, like an extra layer on your eyes of you being able to see things that exist in let's call it an altered dimension, right? So if spirit just is some kind of alternate dimension, like how certain animals have eyes that have different cones and receptors, you know, so that they can see things that we can't see because they're just outside of our visual acuity. So clairvoyance brings your visual acuity in line with things that exist in the spirit realm. Um, a lot of people who are sensitive would experience this their whole life without really knowing, because they would see things out of the corner of their eye, or they would get very, very clear images in their brain of precognition. Uh, you know, uh usually it is something that's pre-cog, but also it could be a memory that you remember differently, and there's something in it, or whatever, but anything to do basically with with vision, okay? And then there's cle sentience, which has to do with your feelings. So it's when experience an emotion or a sensation, because it can be a sensation, it can actually be like you know, a pain in your heart, or like, you know, um something running up your arm or whatever, or it's your whole suite of emotions, and you feel this feeling, uh, sensation very strongly with no uh visual or um like linear outside influence. So it comes from somewhere else and really demands your attention. Um, and it becomes difficult to intellectualize, but very much something that you should trust. And I think that a lot of people experience clairsentience all through their lives and they just go, oh, that's my intuition talking to me, right? And they just don't, they just haven't got to the point where they've like broken it down into the different things. And then you've got clear cognizance, which is knowing. So it's you'll get uh information in your head, uh uh you you'll start thinking about something, and then all of a sudden, like uh you've just opened a little library book in your mind, it will go, that's because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You've got no idea how you know that. You just know that it's true. And if you were to go, you know, and research and whatever, you probably would just find more and more. And it also has to do with knowing things about other people, uh, knowing that you need to leave a room before, you know, some sort of violence erupts or whatever. So it's it's your it's your knowing. And then there's clair audience, which has to do with anything that you hear. So again, it's the same as the clairvoyance, but it's a way that you can be uh calibrated through your hearing. Um, and it doesn't necessarily mean, like, you know, if you hear something in your clair audience abilities, it doesn't mean that everybody else that's there is going to hear it as well. So yeah, it's something that's really happening um on a different level. And basically a lot of these things without research and time and trust can just make you feel like you're nuts.

Trust Blocks Trauma And Practice

Jess Callahan 18:28

Yeah, I think that I think it's interesting because as we talk about it, and I want to continue talking about it as it applies to your artwork and how you channel through it. I think for like people who are listening who might like if these things feel abstract, I think they show up in our lives in little ways before we really tap into them. Like a couple things that are coming to mind for me are sometimes when I dream, um I wake up and the only memories that I have of my dream are emotion. Um, it's just like a deep, like that's how I remember a dream is through the feeling of emotion. I get that like a lot in my life. Or um I have the the clair abilities that I relate with most are um clairsentience and claircognizance. Um with that being said, though, I have aphantasia. So it's having a blind mind's eye. So where somebody might, you know, where we talk about clairvoyance and I think that's like a bucket term for so many things. I've never understood that. And like if I would do a meditation that's um like a guided visualization or something like that, I used to get really frustrated because I would be like, I can't like conjure up a red image if I'm doing like a chakra meditation. I can't picture a red image of a red glowing light over my like chakra because I can't get any visuals. When I close my eyes, there is no ability to see an image, which has really um like I guide past life regression too. So it shows up there where if I'm working with somebody through hypnosis, um, you know, they might not be able to see the the story unfold in front of them. I might have to guide them to be like trust the first thing that comes up as like your sense of knowing, or what else are you like feeling? You know, you it's like a guide through other sensory processes. So there's like so many ways that all of these Claire abilities can can like you can be cued off, sort of cued it, cued into like how you might relate to them in your own life.

Delana Luna 20:32

I mean, I I do think that everybody's got tendencies, right? Because everybody's got your certain genetic makeup, your your brain, but also uh there are uh environmental factors. And uh often, and like because this has to do with the work that I do every day, um, you will see that the person that has a blockage is because of something traumatic that happened to them, and it could have been a slow burn thing. It doesn't necessarily have to be like, you know, a a bang moment, and um, that ability is blocked because what I consistently see with the people that go through the courses that I'm talking about is that um everything is entwined. Like some people, a lot of people actually seem to really long for clairvoyance, and I think that that's because, and I mean that externally, outside of their mind, they want to see, you know, uh a fairy, you know, like skipping over the lake or whatever, right? Because for them, that makes it real. That's what they need because of their limiting belief system that they've been taught as they grow up, that when you get to the point where you can see something externalized, you've become the best, you're the magician, you know. Uh all of the things are just as valid. But with people that really long for something, there can be an ego block. But there can also be a trauma blog. And there are like all of these really, really clever exercises by people that specialize in this that you can do over and over again. Like if somebody said, Um, I'm super uncoordinated, but I want to learn how to play basketball, right? They can. They will never do it professionally, but you can somebody can learn how to do it, right? Even if they are super uncoordinated. And it's exactly the same. You know, you can wake these things up. How far it goes, I don't know.

Jess Callahan 22:34

Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. That's it's really interesting. And I think it's just like it's just a testament to like trusting. Like I do think that we there's like this like um attachment, like you said, to clairvoyance. Maybe because it doesn't, like, if you see something, it's just it's more believable than having to lean into the self-trust required for like claircognizance or clairsentience, like a clear knowing. It's like, well, I just had that thought pop into my mind. Did I, is that like a construct of my own mind? Did I create that? Was it was it some sort of guidance from my higher self? Am I connecting with, you know, collective consciousness, whatever it is? Um, you have to develop like a lot of self-trust, I think. Um, at least in my experience, in working with those, in in working, you know, with my own intuition, my own connections and clear clairvoyance, I think there's like this maybe like just like idea that it's just a little more, it fits in line with the logic that we've been taught for so long. If you can see something, seeing is believing, we've Yeah, exactly.

Delana Luna 23:40

Because this if somebody was arguing with you about like, oh, well, how do you know, or that doesn't prove anything, if you can say to them, yeah, but I saw it, you know, then that's the that's the point where there's you know, no, no arguing or whatever, which is a very um, yeah, it's really indicative of the way that we're brought up, the way that our society is structured. And, you know, it's dumb because it's not it's not the only way of experiencing life. Yeah.

Jess Callahan 24:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like this whole, this whole it's a it's a body of work I study often, just like the systemic disconnection from intuition, uh, you know, over the past like many, many centuries, and how we just favor logic and um intuition has just become like woo, like you were talking about when you were growing up, like having to hide the spiritual side of you, the more intuitive side, it's just because like we, you know, we've just been raised to in that like that's irrational to like to trust in inner knowing. Like that's that's irrational, right?

Delana Luna 24:41

Like it's not science-based, it's not like it's it's it's also you know, because our society went really well, went who knows, were led, whatever. Anyway, we're deep into capitalism, and capitalism doesn't have any place yet for uh you know, authentic intuition, because when you're really feeling yourself and you're really feeling the earth, you'd much rather go outside and pick up a rock and think about stuff and breathe air, you know, and that sort of thing, than you would buy anything. You don't need any of those things. So it makes sense that all of these things have been, you know, overly controlled and mystified, and you know, that uh you know, things like uh if you hearing voices in your head is supposed to mean, you know, that you're crazy and all of this kind of stuff, when really there's you know, so many lovely ways for you to have, you know, a relationship with yourself, a relationship with spirit guides, a relationship with, you know, just sort of more abstract things that lead to a far more experimental version of a human being than we generally tend to be now.

Jess Callahan 26:12

Yeah, yeah. I think we're so um conditioned to look outside of ourselves for the answer, like buy the next thing to fill the void that's in you. Um, you know, don't don't don't connect with yourself through, you know, creativity, rest, meditation, whatever it is, like produce work harder, that sort of thing. To, you know, and it's just like this deep disconnection that we have with ourselves. But really, like, you know, as you're talking about going outside and picking up a rock and thinking about things, like that sounds really fulfilling to me because like I can find comfort just like, you know, in myself and and how I spend time and um, but that's a hard, it's like a it's a hard connection to re-establish, I think, because of what you know, capitalism and patriarchy and you know, all of these systems that guide us have done.

Delana Luna 27:03

And I mean, if you are really dreamy like that, and and then you know, you go back, you know, like inside, right? You know, like to your familial group, to your family group or whatever, and you're like, oh, I just had the best day. Like, look at this fucking stick that I found. It's amazing, you know? And now I'm gonna go and have a bath, and I feel like just biting this cabbage, you know, like I'm not gonna turn it into a salad or anything. I'm just gonna, you know, bite this fucker. Um, and then, you know, your parents who have been told, like, your children need to have this, that, or the other, or they're gonna be miserable, they're gonna end up being poor, they're gonna be unhappy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, they're then going to be like, oh my God, you know, what are you doing? You're wasting your life. I can't believe you uh and you're you're gonna get all of this negativity about something that you've done that basically is just a you know, really useful expression of the human experience.

Jess Callahan 28:03

Yeah, which I mean could lead it leads to just so many other things, right? We're not all built to like be doctors because they make a lot of money or be attorneys because they make a lot of money or be business.

Delana Luna 28:13

But if you think about anything, any kind of profession that is seen as like one of our cornerstones, like, you know, medicine, politics, uh lawyers, like all of these people that are just, you know, that's their one sentence that they can say. If people like, what are you doing? They could be like, I'm a lawyer, I'm a doctor, you know, it's just like back off the rest of the world, I achieved. But if you think about all of those professions, if those people had grown up with this deep appreciation for, you know, spirituality uh and uh you know, really earthy things, our medical profession, what we cared about, the way that we stewarded the world would be much better. You know, if you had these dreamy kids that like to look at rocks and go and play in the creek as you know, your politician, as your world leader, as your doctor, whatever, there is so much more happening in that person's brain than them reading a syllabus and regurgitating something that we've been doing, frankly, I think for too long now, without there being and like sure, there are innovations in medicine, there are innovations in science, but they're all still heading down a very, very linear pathway. And I I mean, sorry, I shouldn't say all absolutes are stupid. Um, and that's the only absolute they can have.

Jess Callahan 29:44

Yeah.

Delana Luna 29:45

Um, there are people that are looking outside, but I think it's very it's it's slow, you know. I think for the capacity that a human being has, all of these things that have been shunted to the side, uh, because apparently they're less than, people are starting to go, oh, well, hang on, wait, there's some value in this, there's some value in that. But can you think if we'd been doing that all along, you know, we would be way more evolved as a race.

How The Magical Objects Are Made

Jess Callahan 30:12

And and people focused, not profit-focused. And like, I mean, yeah, people, people and well-being would be centered. And yeah, I could, I could go down this thread forever because this is like where I just, you know, I'm like, ah, the world needs to change. But I am really curious about like so going back to the Claire, the Claire abilities and everything, like I'm curious about what the process of creating your art looks like. Like, how um, how do you find the inspiration for it? How do you channel through the artwork? Do you mostly work through like commissioned pieces? Do you create and then they find their home? I'm just like so curious about your process.

Delana Luna 30:53

Both, both, both, both. Um, like I have to just create. And one of the things that has been happening more and more recently is uh, like I was touching on before, that while I'm making it, uh spirit will tell me that I'm making it for somebody in particular. And so uh my you know fondest hope that as my business grows, because basically I've been in hermit mode, so I haven't really existed anywhere. Um, which is you know, I I still have uh a good number of clients and I'm meeting wonderful people and having wonderful experiences, but it's not like I've ever actually tried to promote myself. Um so I would love, and I mean, I guess this does happen sometimes already, but it would be wonderful if it could be kind of like a spiritual supermarket, you know, and somebody could just go onto my website and then I've got this explanation of like, you know, the symbolic meaning uh or what the object is used for, or what the ceremonial robe, you know, the conditions it was made under, and so therefore what power it contains, you know, as a mantle in itself. And for somebody to be like, holy crap, like that's mine, you know, that would be amazing. And I think it will happen. Uh and yeah, the other way around is that uh people commission me, but I think that something that's very true for me is again part of this uh superfiction process that I've been working on for a really long time. So uh something that's always happened for me, and I was actually going to uh explain some of this in uh uh if we were going to talk about uh my advice for activating your clare abilities. Um something that's always happened for me is that I've been able to recognize talismanic objects. So things will shine out to me from their counterparts. And I was only very recently that I figured out that it's because they hold a high or a certain amount of like energy mana, chi, whatever you want to call it. And so I've just been this little jackdaw, right? So all of these things that I find outside, things that I find in op shops, you know, like just stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff, right? So I collect all of these things, and then uh, you know, uh I'll get particularly drawn to a particular object, and then I'll realize I've got this thing and that thing and whatever to pull into it. And now that I've started doing the clothing, uh it's because I've always loved expressing myself through fashion, uh, it's just turned into like this whole nother uh layer of things because clothing can be so uh embellished, and every stitch uh represents a period of time that I've spent with it, you know, like receiving messages talking about things. So then the the object comes with its own story that it's spoken to me as I'm making it. So it speaks itself into existence. And the Clare abilities come in handy because my Clare abilities and waking them up means that I can uh understand that certain uh like semiotic or symbolic things that happen in my brain while I'm making or in the period of time around the month or whatever that I'm crafting, uh, I don't dismiss those things anymore as like, you know, happenstance from my weird mind. I go, oh, that's a message, and then I can unpack it. Yeah and it gives me information about what it is that I'm doing. So letter oh, go ahead. Oh, I'm when when uh spirit communicates with you, it's like it sends you a um condensed amount of information. It it's like it's this concentrated amount of information, and you get it in this one little proton pill, right? But then if you break it open, it leads you to all of these other things. And when you have your clarabilities turned on and you trust them, you can navigate this like you know, spiritual Google where all of this information is, and you you the the further you go, um, trusting these different, you know, clareabilities and uh and and working your way through, it all connects up together. I mean, to be honest, really, it's a lot like having a mushroom trip because the way that uh cybercylin works is that something will become your totem thought before you go down this rabbit hole, and then when you're coming back out, your brain knows that like you know, it's the it's the end of the cycle, and it will bring this theme back up again, you know, and that's why you have this feeling of like, oh my god, everything is connected, and like that's true, everything is connected, but when you get one of these messages from spirit, it's giving you your totem or your theme thought for you to be able to disseminate. So it puts you on a thread that you can follow. So instead of just being chucked into the universe and being like, whoa, I'm God, everything's everything, right? You're following a little pathway. And when it comes back, you know, uh and and and resolves and joins in on itself, you realize that you've actually learned something about the way that a certain spiritual uh uh object, um, symbol, whatever, how it functions, like what it actually does.

Bind Runes And Activation Meditations

Jess Callahan 37:02

What are what are some of the like your favorite objects that you've made? And I'm gonna layer the question, and what are some of the ways that either people are using them in a in a way that feels like aligned with what what they were created for, or like how you want them to be used?

Delana Luna 37:23

I love I love the uh the the connections that I've made through the objects that I've made for people. Um, like just recently I did uh a little bind rune, which is like on a stone, which is like pretty much the most basic, simple thing that I can do. But it's for a woman that was an animal communicator, and uh so in that process I've worked out uh probably over the period of like five or six years, this really big fat tarot reading, and then from that tarot reading, I will divine some runes, and then from those runes, because it has to do with the combination of the tarot and what the positions mean, and uh then I'll make somebody a bind rune, which is like their personalized like um uh symbol for their mythic self. And then I've started making activation meditations so that the person can actually take the object, uh, whether it's a stone or it's something else that I've made or a jacket or whatever, they can take it into the dream space with them. So they really own the symbol and they own the object and it exists as something as like their you know ally, basically, when they go and they do their own healing work, so they can take it into a liminal space. And when I was working on this activation meditation for the girl that was an animal healer, her guides, some of her guides came and they wanted me to tell her this and tell her that, and you've got to put this and you've got to put that in. And it just turned into this like really, really giant experience. And I actually had to write to her and say, like, hey, um, can you please tell your guides to calm down? Because I can't concentrate, like I can't get the thread of what it is that I'm supposed to be doing. Like, I don't want to send you, you know, a two-hour epic poem as your activation meditation. It's gonna be like, you know, brought back down. And I'm sure that you're going to get this information, you know, in your experience with them anyway. So that was something that I've, you know, that was a lovely uh learning experience, you know, like a very niche thing to happen.

Jess Callahan 39:36

Did it work? Did they did her guides quiet down? They I I had to change the way that I was using language. I did have to be quite poetic because it needed to be packed full of meaning. So I needed to um what's the word? Oh my god, I can't remember the word I was gonna use. It was a very elegant word. Anyway, I had to leave having a very linear uh um meditation, guided meditation progress uh process, and just go into something that was a lot more poetic in the language. And when I did that, it flowed, and then when I read back over it, and this always happens, the meaning and the the symbology of the runes was repeated over and over and over again in this uh word poem, prose poem that came out as the activation meditation. So yeah. Wow. Wow, that's really cool.

Delana Luna 40:40

Yeah, like in one way they calmed down, in another way they were like, you calm down and let us tell you what to do, you know.

Heirloom Craft And The Law Of Exchange

Jess Callahan 40:49

Okay, it's okay, yeah, you're in charge. Um that's that's amazing. I'm like, I feel like there's so many people who are doing their work in this, like in spiritual spaces, or science meets spirituality, or just like you know, using some sort of like channeling with collective consciousness or you know, seeking guidance. And I think that what you're providing is really cool. Like, I think that it's a it's like a just a different way that somebody who's seeking different ways to connect, um, it can just like help with that process, deepen that process, make it more like meaningful. Yeah.

Delana Luna 41:29

Absolutely. And like, you know, I've got these beautiful rune sets that I've made, and I know that at a certain point uh somebody is going to be like it's gonna blow their mind. It's gonna be like if I could imagine in my mind what my perfect rune set, you know, that's made out of this wood with copper inlay with blah, blah, blah, blah, and they're gonna see it and just like not be able to hit by fast enough, you know. Like they're they're really they're the only people that I really want to interact with this client as somebody that actually recognizes that it's a magical object, you know. Um, because I I definitely have a high level of craftsmanship, and it is like I don't just make things for the sake of making them, you know, like I don't just sit down for fun one afternoon and crack some female out and make three sets of runes, you know, like it's a really uh involved process, and you can see that when you look at the at the end product. And I mean, I have a smoke wand at the moment that uh has a little uh whale that was like naturally in the in the handle that I just um bought out and then put copper inlay in, and it's got uh seabird feathers uh on the end of it, and I just know that there is some sea witch out there that needs a smoke wand for her work that is just you know gonna love it. And uh one of the moments that I had when I would, this is when I first like you know, joined all of the dots, and I was like, wow, I'm you know, a maker of magical objects. It felt like this really deep, you know, um vocation that that I had discovered uh and and something that connected me to like all of these different parts of my ancestry. And I was working on this uh bone that was a cow vertebrae, um, because I was working in the um half month uh because all of the runes uh are like a zodiac as well. So I was working in the half month of Urus, and the animal spirit for Urus is the Orox, which is this like prehistoric, you know, fucking badass Viking cow. And it represents, you know, strength and speed and challenges and all of this sort of stuff. And um, how it started out was me just being like, oh, I'm gonna create something every half month uh that is connected to the rune of the time that it is. So I'm creating. Creating an Uro's object in the Uroos time. And I was like, yeah, that feels great. Um, and so I'm working on this cowbone, and I keep on getting these um symbol uh images in my head, and like they wouldn't go away. And it was like a uh it first just started off as like a black void with a red uh dot in the middle, and it kept on happening. And then I was like, oh, I'm supposed to pay attention to this. I'm not supposed to say, go away, uh thought that I don't understand. I was like, oh, it's a communication, like get with the program, girl. And so I concentrated on it, and it turned out that it was actually uh a mouth with a tongue because as I was carving this vertebrae, um, I was getting quite specific instructions about like you need to put this thing here and you need to carve this here and whatever. And I was like, yeah, but what is it for? Is it like spiritual charge key? You know, like is it just supposed to look nice? I'm not sure. And then um when I realized that the symbol was a mouth, I actually felt hands one day when I was making it make me grab it at a certain point and put it up against my mouth. And I got this really clear understanding, like could have passed out kind of moment, that it was a breathwork tool. So it was showing that you blow through it, and it was like all of this like strength and speed that's represented by a cow, by a creature like that, and it was for putting over the vertebrae in somebody's back and blowing a shaman's breath through it to unblock the energy in that vertebrae on somebody else's back. And so, like, I've made this object that's like, you know, got this very niche and um specific, uh beautiful um purpose, function behind it, you know. But it was this whole process that I had to go through. Like, I didn't know what I was doing, I was just making something that looked nice until I really surrendered to the process that was happening. And um, I've had a few people that are breathwork practitioners that have looked at all of my stuff and they instantly go to this bone and go, What is this? So it's you know, just speaks for itself.

Jess Callahan 46:32

Yeah, yeah, when you're when you're tuned in, I think in that way, to um to feeling the magic that lives within I don't any part of life. It's like hard to it's hard to ignore that. It's like as as you're speaking about this, I'm just like thinking about the earlier parts of our conversation where we're talking about like just capitalism and this like huge focus that's been put on like cheap, meaningless, mass-produced stuff. Like people who do spiritual work can go on like what are those cheap, like those websites and get like tools. Um yeah, but but like that's so meaning, it's like there's such a movement away from this, but I think in the spiritual communities it's been there, you know, for a long time. There's so much value in what you're providing, and I'm just feeling this like total um what's the word? Like dichotomy. It's like two opposites of like the conversation of like capitalism and how we just like buy and get all of these things versus these like masterpieces that you're creating that are just infused with like meaning and really specific purpose, like for the right person, like you said, like there's there's nowhere else that you could possibly find something like that. It's just like you're like making, you're literally making something for somebody and you don't know who it is yet.

Delana Luna 47:55

But I don't know who they are yet. Yeah. Yeah.

Jess Callahan 47:58

But there is like there is somebody who just is going to be so like, like you said, so magnetized by that. They're gonna, I think you were using the the copper inlay with the runes when you said it, but they're gonna see this like vertebrae piece, like, you know, and it's just like I this is a tool that I absolutely need in order to like deepen the practice of my work, expand my impact, like whatever it is that they're working on doing, like healing and um yeah, I don't know. It's just really cool. I just I really I love hearing about it.

Delana Luna 48:27

I think it's also uh l like something that I I I really uh want to try and have people think about when they come across what it is that I do, is that if you were if you want to buy a magical object, you don't want it to be disposable. Do you know what I mean? Like you you would want it to be something that your grandkids remembered about you and that you know was passed on to another generation, like you want to buy an heirloom, you know. It's and also I guess unless it was something that you found, why would you want a cheap magical object? Yeah, you know, like it just they don't they don't go together, and like I I I would love to be able to just uh give things away that when I found the person that I could just give it to them, but then that completely negates uh part of the magical process in that there's a law of exchange, right? You know, like you go through any kind of folklore or mythology, and the person in these stories, you know, like think about dwarfs in their caves, which I do very often, and I'm like, am I a dwarf? Uh it's this, you know, intricate uh craftsmanship, and there's always an exchange of some sort.

Jess Callahan 49:57

Yeah, I think that's that that's like a whole can of worms that I could go down forever too. I think this this idea that I I think there's so many people working in this space that do want to like give, give, give, heal, help, give, you know, but it's but the exchange, it is, it's in that like energetic exchange if you know of of money, you know, is how we how we do that now.

Delana Luna 50:18

You just happen to have money now, yeah. It's yeah the exchange is, yeah. Yeah, I definitely have a fun time working with people sometimes where we do a um a like for like exchange.

Jess Callahan 50:32

Yeah.

Delana Luna 50:32

I'm yeah, I'm I'm totally down with that kind of stuff.

Jess Callahan 50:36

Yeah, yeah. No, and I don't mean to like I think that it's a struggle that many people have in understanding that there that there is so much what you know, I think there's an inclination to give stuff away for free in spiritual spaces or like I my work, I want to just like give it to everyone because I know it can help someone so much. But there's so much to be said for that energetic exchange that it there's value in it for both parties.

Delana Luna 51:00

And um yeah, well, I was giving away tarot readings for free for too long, and um spirit would actually make me feel uh, and I just used the word spirit as like a carte blanche, okay, so we don't have to get into the intricacies of this, but um I started to feel um anxious and um like um self-conscious and imposter syndrome and all of these sorts of things, right? Which usually is the other way around. And then as soon as I said no, uh I'm not gonna do this anymore if somebody's not willing to pay me, my confidence just like grew and grew and grew, and it just felt completely right. And now if somebody asks me, because you know they've we've had a fun time together or whatever, or you know, like you meet a guy on a dating app and they're like, Oh, you can give me a tarot reading, my whole system just like freezes up uh and it it it doesn't work anymore. Like I'm I'm literally from my spiritual boss, I'm not allowed to do it for free.

Jess Callahan 52:10

Good. I love that. I love your spiritual boss.

Speaker 1 52:14

Yeah.

Jess Callahan 52:16

Before we continue on, because I think that we definitely need a part two to this conversation. Um, I want to ask you just like in the world is sort of in chaos right now. And I think that this connection with intuition, this connection with ourselves has um has a really like central role in healing, in my view. And I'm just curious about how how you see this connection as like part of the move towards like this collective shift, um, global sort of healing.

Delana Luna 52:55

Okay. Yeah, well, I've always seen the greater activation of the human brain as the antidote for things like uh uh hatred, uh evil things. Uh I think that once you start reconnecting with the huge amount of information that's available for us from being spiritual conduits, living, you know, luckily on this, you know, planet Earth with so many different things that are just like dying to talk to you, to love you, to give you this different way of like, you know, being existing on the planet. Like if everybody was, you know, more that way inclined, a lot of the things that seem to have really taken root right now that are causing like a huge division between people like racism, sexism, patriarchy, all of that sort of stuff, they would seem laughable, they become unimportant, you know? So it really just takes the the wind out of it. Like I'm I'm not in America, I have no desire to go to America, uh and I never uh have. It's there's always been a place that has kind of scared me. And with what's going on right now, uh you you see this very um frightening to me division between left and right, and I'm like, what does that even mean? You know, and uh there's all of these statements about like, you know, if you're a such and such person, then you should, and then like, you know, insert like horrible thing. And like both sides are saying this to each other. And I was thinking to myself, like, oh my god, like if you if you had a if you had a wish right now, what what would you what would you wish for like spiritually to like happen in this collective consciousness? And I was thinking to myself, like, how good uh good's probably not the right word, but it could be useful if the all of the people that were into capitalism, I don't want to kind of like name names, um, but I I guess the people that you're describing as being MAGA, is that the word? The the uh um it would be nice if those people just got a really big buttload of sensitivity and empathy, right? Like it wouldn't be very nice for them at first, but it would give them a lot more to think about, you know, like to break out of a of a very um archaic uh system of thinking. Um, and then you know, there could maybe be a little bit more unity, but I I have to say that like it does uh like looking from the outside is a very privileged position. Um but there doesn't really seem to be many people that are aiming for like harmony overall, uh and maybe you just can't with what's happening right now. Maybe it is the time where it's you know the fight. I I don't know. But I definitely feel like a whole lot more sensitivity, you know, like people giving a shit about like everything and feeling feelings, you know, like yeah. Imagine if you're if your average ICE agent woke up, you know, tomorrow and and and they had no ability to compartmentalize. Do you know what I mean? And they felt empathy for every single thing that was that was going on, it would be a very uh different. Oh, I don't know. But then you think about Trump and you wonder to yourself, really, if he is a lizard inside a human skin.

Jess Callahan 56:51

It's possible. It is, I think, but I think you named something so important is like, well, if you talk about some of the themes in our whole conversation, like just capitalism and how it uh disconnects you from yourself, and um just like all of these systems that disconnect you from feeling emotion, feeling compassion, empathy, shared humanity, like you become so numb, it actually like dulls the parts of your brain that are responsible for feeling those things, right? And so you're numb and you lose all the connection like you're talking about. If these people could, if they could just like have that part of their brain like reactivated, um, I think then it would be a different world. And like the way I I see it is just that like when you focus on that connection with your intuition, when you create art, it doesn't matter what kind of art it is, when you're creating, you're connecting. And it's like it's to me such a pathway to like reactivating those parts of the brain, reactivating like the parts of you that have gone numb, you know, you have to feel it. You have to feel it to to get through it, I think.

Delana Luna 58:07

And and I think that's yeah, absolutely, yeah. No matter how, you know, evolved you are, you have to feel it to be able to get to the other side. But you know, like we were talking about before about going and looking at a rock, like if you take somebody that is very conditioned under capitalism and you ask them to go outside and pick up a rock, uh it's worthless to them. They don't have the you know, which is as you're saying, they don't have the capacity within their brain to actually see uh, you know, how magical it is. They've got layers and layers over the top, whereas to them it's something useless and boring, you know.

Jess Callahan 58:42

It's a weapon, maybe. I mean, maybe it's a weapon, I don't know, right?

Delana Luna 58:45

Yeah, you know, like it's it's definitely not um uh fascinating, you know? And and when you lean into your sensitivity and you start waking up your Claire abilities, it does open up like layers and layers and layers and layers and layers. And you know, oftentimes as a spiritual person that's always been spiritual, I don't know if that's the exact right word to use, but like had experiences uh with you know alternate beings and and and ways of thinking your whole life, I find that people want to immediately start talking to me about like, you know, an ayahuasca experience or when they took mushrooms or whatever. And and it's like, yeah, for sure, like that is a little bit about it, but you need to kind of take away from it needing to be this like uh amazing, like you know, earth-shattering moment or like this fun, you know, party time, like big deal, and you bring some of that thinking like into your day-to-day, which can be exhausting because there are so many things to care about, but like you're saying, the more you have this ability basically to play is what we're talking about, you know. Uh the more you do care on all of these different levels about what's going on around you and about how you fit in with that, and you know, as you care about it, you you find out about how it cares about you. And you know, obviously, to all of these people that are, you know, bigoted, uh racist, or people that are very limited, right, in their in their thinking, or that have a lot of uh animosity towards anyone else, you know, towards women, to towards people of color, whatever. Like it's nonsensical. There is no logic, there is no science, there's nothing behind it apart from the fact that that person does not experience enough love in their life.

Goodbye For Now!

Jess Callahan 1:01:01

Yeah. It comes back to love every every single time. I think it comes back to love. I could continue this conversation for literally hours. And I know we've already decided that we're gonna have to do a part two so we can start talking about like how to reconnect with Claire Abilities and how it's a very real process that each of us can like tap into. But for now, um, I just want to thank you so much for joining me in this conversation and just like sharing of your process like so freely and openly.

Delana Luna 1:01:34

Oh, it was a pleasure, it was very exciting, and I always learn things about uh myself. Feels like a privilege.