Cocoon After Dark
There’s a certain kind of story we only tell in the dark.
The kind that lingers. The kind we’ve carried in silence. The kind that needs soft lighting, no interruptions, and someone who won’t flinch.
Welcome to Cocoon After Dark—I’mQuincy Tessaverne, and this is a space for truth-telling that’s tender, textured, and unapologetically queer.
Each week, we sit with voices—mostly Black, brown, LGBTQ+—who’ve lived through things that don’t always fit into polite conversation.
We talk identity, pleasure, boundaries, grief, reinvention, and the moments that changed everything.
This isn’t small talk. It’s soul talk.
So take what you need. Leave what you don’t. And listen with your whole body.
Cocoon After Dark
Shattering Ceilings: Kathy Barron on Propelling Women Podcasters Forward
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In this engaging episode of Cocoon After Dark, we welcome Kathy Barron, a witty and resilient writer, editor, and the driving force behind 'Women Who Sarcast' and 'Women Who Podcast.' Together, we delve into Kathy's journey through humor and sarcasm as tools of survival and connection in a world that often misunderstands both. From her early days of adventure and sports to her impactful contributions through magazine and podcasting, Kathy shares the layers of humor, heart, and defiance. We also touch on the power of storytelling, the challenges faced by independent women podcasters, and the importance of community and resilience in today's political climate. Tune in to discover how complexity and wit can be a profound form of grace.
00:00 Introduction to Cocoon After Dark
00:17 Meet Kathy Baron: The Woman Behind the Wit
01:12 Kathy's Journey: From New York to Podcasting
04:11 The Role of Sarcasm in Kathy's Life
09:47 The Birth of the Magazine
13:11 Challenges and Triumphs in Podcasting
24:01 Supporting the Next Generation
28:34 Reflecting on Childhood and Parental Influence
29:27 Visibility and Representation in Schools
33:57 Challenges and Support for the Trans Community
42:47 Podcasting and Community Building
44:43 Women Who Podcast Magazine
49:45 Future of Podcasting and Collaboration
53:21 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections
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Welcome back to Cocoon After Dark. There is a certain kind of woman who learns to survive through cleverness. She makes people laugh, not because it's easy, but because it's safe. Humor becomes her language for truth and sarcasm, her softest kind of armor. Tonight I'm talking with Kathy Baron, writer, editor, and the force behind women who SAR cast and women who podcast. She's a woman who turned her sharpness into sanctuary for herself and for others. Finding their voice in a world that too often talks over them. Together, we'll peel back the layers, the humor, the heart, and the quiet defiance it takes to be both witty and wide open in a world that still misunderstands both. Welcome onto the show.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Well, thank you. That was quite the intro. I might have to put that in a frame or something. Put it on a plaque. Give it to my mother. I don't know. Something to impress. Impress my mom with.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Right. We all are still trying to impress our mothers, aren't we?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Yes,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240I mean, gen XI don't think we can ever get away from that. And I was raised Catholic on top of it. So
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240yeah, there's a need to impress the mom on a continual basis.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240deep. It goes deep.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240So before there was women, women who sar cast or the magazine, there was just you living, observing, riding your e-bike, just listening. What kind of woman were you before you started turning your thoughts into a mic? And what was she hungry for?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240wow. I mean, I have always been the adventurous person. Like I grew up in New York State. I moved to California in 87, then in 2001, I moved to the Pacific Northwest. Was up there for about eight years between Portland and Seattle.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Pretty.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240for video production.'cause I had started doing photography. In California that I kind of started out my creativity and discovering that part of myself, which was really cool. and then had a couple of deaths in the family and decided to come back to California to hang out with my mom a little bit, and then moved to Santa Fe, New Mexico. So, you know, it's always been what's next and don't know if I'm running away from myself or running to something. But it was really cool to be in those different environments, in those different cities.'cause I met some really cool people. and then, you know, podcasting just kind of happened and to a friend on the phone. We were just, we're both very sarcastic and we were just laughing and crying, laughing, and I'm just like, Hey, let's, let's start a podcast. Why not everybody else? Is it, everybody else is, and it was 2018. So, you know, it just kind of happened. Although my dad was in TV and radio, so maybe that's part of my DNA that I hadn't really thought about and had to come out at a certain time.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240So in high school, what was Kathy?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Kathy was in sports,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240uh, softball, basketball, didn't like soccer, too much running, so I was a scorekeeper. Um, just out all night, you know, not partying, but you know, when you're kids in New York, in a very small town, you find things to do in the summertime and camping and you know,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240So
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240having
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240did you do,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240sorry. Did you do standup or any sort of like the school newspaper, the school news or anything like that?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240no, it was mostly just sports and, um. Just hanging out with friends and causing trouble
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240What kind of trouble did you guys cause?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240I mean, in a small town there's not much to do. So of course you drink behind, you know, historical buildings'cause it was in Ticonderoga, which is very historical as a fort, a lot of history. so, you know, we just got in that kind of trouble and just tried to not be home basically.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah. Were you sarcastic then?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240I probably, I don't know, I was definitely an instigator. I like to cause trouble and then kind of back away to see
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Mm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240it all transpires. And I think I still kind of do that to this day.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Do you think that sarcasm is a mask or a shield for something else that you aren't ready to share with people?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Um, I don't know. I think, I think sarcasm gets a bad rep because. see it as anger as being mean, but I think it's all in the delivery. And if you don't get sarcasm, then you know, that's not my problem. You know? It, it's, there's something wrong with you basically, right? No, but seriously. Um, I don't, I don't think so. I, I think it's just another sort of being funny, and I think it's just a sort of humor. It's like dark humor, basically.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240What do you feel like is your go-to when you're uncomfortable? Do you have like a certain persona you get into when you get into like this really sarcas, um, stretch of, of your personality, you know, where you just feel it and you're just like hitting every joke and come back? Or is it more nuanced?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240I mean, I'm not that good actually. I, I don't even know when I'm being sarcastic half the time because it just, it just comes out
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Uh.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240in the last probably. Uh, eight to 10 years. I've kind of reeled it in a little bit because I've gotten in trouble at jobs and, you know, bosses have definitely been like, you need to like reel it in a little bit'cause you've offended X, Y, and Z. And I'm just like, I'm not the problem here. Um, so yeah, I've, I try to think before I speak in some instances. Um, but for the most part I just let it rip. Yeah.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240had a very sarcastic partner once, and it was devastating because they used it in every sort of interaction that I had. So I don't have a very good outlook. Outlook on sarcasm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Right.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240But in your relationships, how did it play out?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240I, I don't think. I do it much in my romantic relationships. Friendships, yes. Um, you know, because friendships, that's what they're for. Right? To riff on each other and to have fun and you feel safe with that person with the romantic partners. I don't think I, I wasn't that snarky, bitchy, nasty person'cause that's just not who I am at, at my core. So, you know, I think for me, sarcasm is more about poking fun than, and some people can take that as being mean, but I think it depends on the situation
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240who it's targeted
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Right. I hear you. I hear you. Yeah. I used to say, you know, your sarcasm is because you have no confidence and you feel like putting me down, like raises you up or whatever. And, and they would always say, no, that's, that's not true. And I'm like, but it comes out in the most inappropriate times, and it's very, if I didn't have a good sense of self and like really good self-esteem and all those things, I literally would've been abused. And I still think it was a form of abuse coming from her, but at the same time, I'm thinking to myself, gosh, I hope you haven't done this to everyone you've ever been with, or everyone since me. Because if they're not as strong as I was, literally you would feel like the biggest POS on the planet. You know? Um, so I think it's, I love sarcasm. I think it's funny to a point, but I think in the right rooms, right, it has to be like,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240it's, it's kind of like a weapon in a
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240And I think those who are sarcastic, like your ex-partner, it's like you have to take responsibility for that. And you have to take responsibility for yourself and how you're treating and talking to other people. I mean, I'm not gonna knock somebody down that I love and care for
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240you know, but if you're gonna dish it out, you better be prepared to take it, because that's where I'm coming in. It's like, okay, you wanna play? Let's play. And I'm
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Oh,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240so that doesn't help
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240so am I. So am I. Yeah.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240you know where it's coming from.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yes. When's your birthday?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240November 1st.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Oh, I'm October 23rd, I'm right on the cusp. And people like, oh, you must need a lot of balance being on the cusp. And I'm like, Nope. I absolutely don't. I can be alone for days and with people for days, but put me in the middle and I'm kind of like, Hmm,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Hmm.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240there's not enough action or there's not enough quiet, so I'd rather have it all or nothing in those in instances. But yeah, and I'm a double Scorpio on top of that, so I'm sort of,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240I am like four.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240oh my God.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240insane.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240How do you live with yourself sometimes?'cause I feel that way about myself.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240terrible. I hate it. I'm kidding. No, I love it. Uh, the muse, my mind doesn't ever really quiet.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah. Yeah.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Um, the muse is constantly there.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240So there's always a, an idea for something, right? Like you're always coming up with ideas.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Which is how the magazine happened. So
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240I love that. Let's talk about the magazine.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240It, the magazine, uh, will be coming up on five years next April.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Wonderful. Congrats.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Thanks. Um, and I was at a. Um, podcasting conference in 2020 right before it shut down. Right? Right before COVID shut everything down. It was very surreal. Like all around the conference they had like handy wipes and everything. Little did we know that it was like airborne. Um, so there was this guy like giving out free magazines called the Podcast Magazine and I was like, cool, maybe this will be where independent women podcasters will be represented. And so I kind of kept an eye on it. And of course it didn't represent anything independent. It was all about celebrities. so October of that year, I was like, okay. Something to happen. And so that voice in my head is like, well, you can start, you know, a magazine. And I'm like, what are you talking about? No. Like I'm having a conversation full on conversation with myself, right? And so I called a friend Sandy, who lives in Australia. She had just started a magazine and I was just like, okay, either you talk me off the ledge or you push me off the ledge. It's gotta be one way or the other.'cause I'm not quite sure how to go about. Doing this. You know, I went to art school and had some, like a class in InDesign, which is the software that I use, but nothing, I've never published a magazine before. And so Sandy was kind enough to throw me off the cliff and say, you need to do this. And so I did. I started it and no clue what I was doing. Still don't know what I'm doing, it's turned into something much bigger.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Is it in print only or is it in easing?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240uh, it's digital only.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Oh, nice. Very cool.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240I wanted to make it accessible to everybody.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah. And not have to have the print and the mailing and all that kinda stuff. So is it specifically for, or does it have a big focus and a lens towards um, L-G-B-T-Q Women and issues? Or is it just women in general and their platforms and the stories that they're sharing, telling and fighting.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240It is women in general, women independent, um, but we do have a lot of L-B-G-T-Q, um, podcasters that are featured. Um, it's around the world, it's global, it's everywhere. Australia, Finland, Ireland, um, all over the place. And I think that's important a lot of those countries barely have any representation as far as where those podcasters can go for community. And that's what I mean about the magazine being bigger just the magazine. It's a community. It's, you know, podcasters reaching out to other podcasters for networkings collab, you know, support. And that to me is, is what it's all about.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Who are your biggest idols that are women in the podcasting world right now?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Um, well, um, am not much of a podcast listener. Unfortunately.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Okay. Let's just be.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240to listen to podcasts. I can't listen to audio books either, but I think, I think there's a lot of, um, independent women podcasters that are stars because they're doing it. They've been doing it recently. Um, for our next issue, which is coming out tomorrow, there's a woman in Australia who has been doing her podcast since 2018. It's called Talking Tutors. She's doing it full time, which is a
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Oh wow,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240of independent podcasters.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240indeed.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240you know, she does other things as well as far as online courses and that sort of thing. But she's definitely a pioneer, I think in, in women in podcasting independent. Like she still does her editing, she does all of her own interviews, um, research. So, you know, I think for those who wanna monetize, it's definitely possible,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240but it does take a lot of time and energy.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240That is so interesting. So in this more male dominated industry, what kind of quiet resilience have you seen or witnessed among the indie women creators?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Oh, it's amazing. I mean. There are women podcasters that just blow me away sometimes. And it's just like they have stories to tell or they wanna share other people's stories, other women's stories, and they're just going for it. Like they, they may have a day job, they may have a family, kids, single mom, whatever, and they're, they're out there doing the podcast, um, you know, at midnight, three o'clock in the morning, they're getting it done because they're very about it. And, you know, they are not letting anybody get in the way. Like
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240That is.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240down doors.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Wow. That is great. I love that because it is such like a diary, right? It's when you're doing it by yourself, it's definitely your brain coming out and talking to people. And sometimes you're staring at a camera, right? Or you're just like staring. And I feel when I do my solos that I could talk for hours, but I'm thinking to myself in any other conversation, no one would sit here and let me talk for an hour or two without them saying anything. So I, I definitely reel it back in and go, oh, wait a minute. There is somebody that's gonna eventually be sick of just my one voice. Um, so I kind of stop it right there. But I'm still so new to this world, obviously I have so much more to learn and I look up to you and so many other people out there that are podcasting, especially women, because I know that it's a place for us to really connect with other women in a very spiritual and soulful sort of way. Um, and I have like. S already, even though my podcast is literally geared towards all L-G-B-T-Q, um, guests, the amount of non-identifying people that are actually identify as straight, if we're gonna identify as something they, and they love it and I'm really enjoying their feedback and their commentary and their excitement when they see me, you know, wherever it is that I'm at. And they're like, oh my gosh, how's the podcast going? And you know, things like that. So I really do feel like a lot of people are rooting for me, but it is kind of a weird place, right, to be talking to people that you have no idea how much it resonates or doesn't resonate, but Right. We all get into it for different reasons. What was your main goal for getting into podcasting?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Um, for me, the podcast was all about having fun and that was it. And, and the woman who started the podcast with me after a few months life got in the way. So it was just me. She left and I was just like, okay, great. So my friend comedian Mario, not a woman, but he was a token token woman and token lesbian. And you know, he came in for six months and helped me, uh, with the podcast. And then after that I decided to do more of an interview, uh, podcast. And so he graciously exited, uh, stage left
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240uh. that's kind of when I kind of took over and started doing interviews. And then the solo episode that I did was called Real Deep Shit, and that was more of a serious episode with just me. but yeah, it's, it's been great. And the people that I've met through podcasting has been Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't have met these people any other way.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Exactly. I had coffee with someone yesterday and I was telling them that, that the amount of people that you get introduced to and then you become so interested in their story that it almost is hard to stop the podcast interview because it's so fascinating. Um,'cause I always do pre-interview work before, especially if they don't have a voice any certain place that I couldn't or couldn't find our cadence together. But if I can already, you know, if they are another podcaster or a dancer, a singer, whatever I can find that from them. But there are some people that I can't get a feel for where it is. But they're not even to the point where they could have a conversation about
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Hmm.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240it is they're trying to, um, communicate with the outer
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah. I
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240world.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Of the people that I interview, I have pointed questions. It's not necessarily them sharing a story. And it, it's more about what they're doing, whether they've written a book or if they're a psychologist. so I haven't been like, okay, I wanna hear your story. And sometimes, you know, like you said, sometimes people are great in the pre-screen interview. The pre-interview, and then once they come on for the interview, it's like a whole different person. And it's like, it's like, yeah, that's not, this is not what we talked about
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240in the pre-interview. So what did you do to the person that was talking to me before? Right.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240with her?
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Right. It's kind of like going to the doctor, right? And the doctor's like, well, you emailed me all these complaints. And you come in and you're like, oh, everything's fine. Yeah, I don't have any problems. And you're like, then why are you here? Why are you here? I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help my, my methodology and my purpose for doing this is to help you get your name out to help you get your book out, to help you sell your whatever it is that you're doing. And when you don't come as a salesperson to me, I can't sell you as well as you wanna be sold. Right? Because that's what it's about. I mean, think about why you would go on Oprah. You went on Oprah so that you could blow up. Obviously I don't have the audience to blow you up, but you have to think of it like that.'cause you don't know who might listen to it, right? So you have to come on as a guest knowing that it's going to send your platform, your magazine in your case, in a different direction with the different, you know, audiences and stuff. So when you imagine the ripple of your work, the magazine, the awards, the podcast, what what would you make of your pause one day and think, yes, I shifted something real. What would that pause be?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Let's see. I think.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240I.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240You know, I pause constantly, um, because I'm just like, is this really what I wanna do? You know, what's going on? And know, it's like with when you're podcasting and you're like, is anybody listening? Why am I doing this? You ready to like, call it quits? And then you get feedback from a listener saying, saying, just loved this episode. And they are like, praising you. And then you're like, okay, I just got a shot of adrenaline from this feedback and I can, I can probably go for another few more episodes. So, you know, the pause is kind of like, like that it's, it's like, okay, this magazine I do, I have a couple of writers that write some of the interviews, but I'm doing everything and it's a lot of work because I have other stuff in my life that I do as well. And there are times where it's like, okay, so why am I doing this? What, what am It's not necessarily what am I getting out of it because I'm not doing this magazine to get rich, obviously, or to bring any spotlight onto me.'cause I'm a Scorpio. We don't, we don't like spotlight. We don't like being center of attention. And so at least November Scorpios, I don't know about October Scorpios. Um, so it's more about making sure that people are getting something out of the magazine, out of being, you know, part of the community. And, you know, when that stops, then I guess my job's done.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240So on the first, um, issue that you put out, how much smaller was it than it is now? Like, how has it grown and what have you seen happen that makes you keep even doing the magazine?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Well, the first issue, it's kind of like your first episode, like after doing it for six years, you go back to that first episode and you're like, cringe big time. exactly what the first issue is. It's like you're cringing because it looks like, you know, it's a eighth grade, you know, science project, basically. And it, it was not polished at all. I mean, I don't know if it's polished now, to be honest, but it's at least a little better than it was when I first started it. And, you know, I try to, with each issue, I try to get 1% better with it. You know, trying to make it as interesting as possible and as professional as possible and, and, and putting topic articles in there that people are actually interested in. So, you know, if you're not interested in it, you're not gonna really care.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Right, right. What kind of like outreach do you do in different communities to get, um, like younger L-G-B-T-Q kids or non L-G-B-T-Q, identifying kids interested in still publishing things like this? Do you do any seminars or networks or, coming into clubs at schools and things like that?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Well, I volunteer at a local queer teen center
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Oh, great.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240about a year old. Um, and I started doing that probably about six months ago, and that's been great. And we're gonna do, um, podcast workshop.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Wonderful.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240I think that's in December. So just to kind of, and these kids are amazing, to be in the same room as these kids, it's just, it blows, it blows me away because they're so smart and kind and intelligent. They're very creative. Um, they're just very grounded. And you know, I didn't have a place growing when I was growing up to go to, um, I didn't have anybody to really to talk to about my sexuality that I was gay. I kind of wanna give back the, the kids today to be like, yeah, we are. There is somebody here for you to talk to. And, and I live in the Bay Area, so there's a lot more resources, but in the town that I live in, it's a little, it's a little bit smaller, but. still want to be able to be like a, a support for the kids that are questioning or just having a really hard time. And even for those that are okay, it's just they, they need adults in their lives to kind of be like, you're having a crappy time right now, but it does get better. And you know, this is temporary.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Right, right. I did a solo about that last week, just saying, you know, we are your queer aunties, grandma's queer uncles. We're here for you. If you need us, just reach out to us.'cause we will bring you in for food. We will help you find someplace to live. Or you can crash on the couch for a few days. You know, whatever it looks like you are not alone. And I think it's so important that they learn skills that they can use someplace else, because they aren't necessarily going to go to college and who really needs to go to college anymore anyway. Unless it's, you still need four more years to grow up sort of thing, and you wanna go in debt. Like, it doesn't appear to be as significant as a milestone anymore. So when you guys do the, um, workshop with the kids, what sort of, like, what's gonna be the schedule for the day? Is it like an all day thing
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Is
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240and,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240few hours?
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240just gonna ask the kids what they wanna do. Do they wanna like record? Because we can record a podcast episode with whatever they wanna talk about. And maybe I'll even put it on my, my podcast. I don't know. I'd have to get permission for that. just what they, what do they wanna learn? Like what do they wanna talk about? You know, what message do they wanna get out there? Do they wanna tell their story?
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Are you gonna teach'em how to set up a podcast studio and mics and all that kinda stuff too?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240smart. They're probably smarter
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240probably already know. Yeah,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240tell me how to do it.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240yeah. Actually, you're totally true. What am I thinking? What am I thinking?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240be good. Maybe people don't, maybe the kids don't know anything about a podcast. They're too
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240rock or something.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240yeah, that's true. Is it one listener who feels seen or something larger, like a cultural shift in how queer women in media are valued?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240I think it can be both. I mean, we want listeners to listen to our podcast and if you know podcasters say, well, there's this one person that listens. Which is great, but I mean, let's be real. We want more than one person to listen.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Absolutely.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240you know, I think the more we get our stories out and other stories out, it will become more commonplace. to me, that will expand the L-G-B-T-Q community. I mean, everything that's going on politically right now,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Hmm
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240and we need to get more voices out there. The voices need to be louder
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240to be consistent and not fade into the background.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Absolutely. And I think that the more people see the difference in what it means to be part of the labeling system, that they will learn so much more than what they think. Right? Because especially, you know, like my parents' generation, the boomer generation, they have such a preconceived idea of what everyone is that has, you know, that's gay or queer or I don't know, some other words that my dad used to use that I won't use now,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Mm. Mm-hmm.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240but. I remember thinking to myself when I was a kid because I didn't know the word lesbian, that what is my dad trying to say about these people when he would use these slurs? Is he saying he doesn't approve of them? Does he say they're lesser than? Like, what is it that he's really trying to communicate with me? Instead of just saying, Hey, that person, you know, likes men because he never really pointed out females to me. And when I was in high school, our neighbors three townhouses down. She and her wife got married in the yard. My parents went, my parents never said anything. They were happy to go. They loved them as our neighbors. So I've seen them do this like lots of up and down throughout, especially once I came out to them and said, Hey, I've been like this since I was 10. And then it was like, who are you with that we know and you know, all of these things and what did we do wrong? You know, kind of things. But I'm not sure where I was going now with that, but I feel. That people needing to see us and hear us more regularly helps expand people's vision on what it means to be an out lesbian at school. Especially for me, with my daughter, like I am very much in front of all the parents that I can be in front of, in front of the administration, in front of the heads of school. Like no one does not know that I'm not gay, but I don't walk around, you know, wearing inappropriate things or whatever, or things that shouldn't be displayed at school because they have to wear uniforms. So I'm not gonna show up with, you know,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240You
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240pride and yeah. Things like that. I'm showing up the way that I feel like I'm representing
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah. And I that, I think that's what's important. Like I am a human being first, then I'm gay.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240don't, I'm a pretty private person, so I'm not out there, you know, exclaiming, my gayness and I don't think I even did that as, you know, a 20 something either. but I also feel like if you're like, but I've been in the Bay Area, which is a fairly safe. Place to be gay. And if I was in some place in Alabama or Arkansas, it might be a totally different story, but I feel the more that we're out there just being ourselves and you know, it's 2025, it's almost 2026, like, why are we still talking about this? Right? Like, we
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240know.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240be talking about this still and we're going backwards in
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240And it's infuriating because it's just like, we're just people that wanna be ourselves. We wanna love who we love regardless. And you know, it's, I've always been, as far as the labeling, when the kids came out as non-binary,'cause they didn't like labels, it's like, well you just, you're a, you are non-binary. So that's a label. And I
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Hmm
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240that there's that sense of community that they want under those labels, and I understand that. why even call you any, why label yourself anything? If you don't wanna be labeled, just say, this is who I am,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240this is my name, get used to it. here.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Right,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240You
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240right. I hear you. I had a guest on, and they have over the last couple of years come out that they're just their name, that's their label. They are their name, and they use their first name and their middle name, and that's how they identify because they do feel like they embody past lives, so they don't know if they're even. They know they're a human right now, but they don't know if they were human before or an animal or something else. So they've just had this like new awakening that that's their, their current life. But let's go back to looking at what people see, like behind the microphones, right? So when no one's expecting you to be like clever or composed, when you're either writing or you're, you are recording a show, how do you convey? Um, I'm reworking a question that I did. So how about, let's look at it like this. What does quiet honesty look like in your life right now, especially in the political climate that we're in?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Wow. It's just like quiet quitting where you just don't do anything quiet.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240there.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240you just kind of sit there. I don't, I, that's a good question. I've never heard of quiet honesty before, and I think, I think it kind of goes back to just being yourself and being honest with people around you and, not being afraid. I know that's easier said than done sometimes, but quiet honesty is, I think just being yourself and being, being honest with people and who you are.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240And
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240I,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240so as you're being who you are and you're sitting on this side of the mile markers that we've made as Gen X women, right? And the, the things that we've gone through and the things that we've seen and watching our trans brothers and sisters go through that, where do you see yourself like helping them with their story?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240well, I'm pissed first of all, that that community is being targeted in a way that they're being targeted. Um, it's It's disgusting. It's horrific. And. I will do whatever I can because it is close to home. I have a trans nephew and you know, I'm very excited for him and very proud of him for coming out and living truthfully and being his true self. So yeah, it, I'm, I'm pretty angry about what's happening and as far as my podcast and telling stories of trans, of the trans community, I haven't done that. Um, because I'm not necessarily focused on just the L-G-B-T-Q community, it's, it's everybody that I'm curious about and interested to know more about. but, you know, maybe that's a good fire under my butt to maybe do that. Next season and you know, concentrate on the L-G-B-T-Q community, they have another platform to share their story and have their voices heard.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Right be, I had a guest that I interviewed last week. Their episode drops in a couple of weeks. If I had my calendar in here, I'd be able to tell you, but they have had so much mental health trauma from it and are really working through it and have gotten to the point where they're just in a coast mode now. They're not getting more tattoos, they're not deciding on top surgery, they're not deciding to take hormones or not. They're just literally trying to find themselves their, their way. And they live in, um, in the uk and. I had such a good awakening around their story, especially because I feel that the UK and California and New York are very like brother, sister, sister, brother kind of thing. But to hear it from their perspective of just being so overwhelmed by all of it that they're almost frozen, right? And afraid at the same time. But also feeling, uh, feeling like, okay, when I do finally make this transition, I'm going to be confronted with so many more things, but I'm not ready to do that yet. And my heart was breaking and it was proud at the same time. So what sorts of things has your nephew been going through?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240You know, I'm not in touch with him very much, but I feel that, um. From my perspective, I think trans women have it more difficult than trans men. And it, because it feels like those, that community is targeted mostly by violence, um, by men because of men's egos and they can't handle trans women. And, and yes, it's a, it's a lot for the trans community and someone who is trans to, uh, you know, like your, your guest. It's like, yeah, I mean, had the, if the environment was different politically, you know, I'm sure they may be. In more closer to doing the things that they are trying to decide to do. because the environment right now is not safe, it's not welcoming. Yeah, I, I totally understand why they're putting everything on pause and it's, it's really unfortunate that they have, they're basically pausing, living,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240you know, how they wanna live.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah, I agree. I think it's similar to like a root canal or a tooth extraction, right? Like you're in so much pain being who you know, you not, you aren't really, if you don't do anything, you're gonna lose your tooth, which then leaves a gaping hole in your mouth, and then all of your teeth shift and it becomes a, a horror freak problem for the rest of your life. But getting there is also painful, right? Having a root canal is not a fun thing. You know, getting that crown put on is expensive. Like, there's so many layers to choosing to go through this. And when people sort of say, you know, things like, oh, they just are so confused. Yes, they're confused. Because they don't have the support that they need. They don't have access to things. I would be confused too, if I knew that it was gonna cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars to get my tooth fixed, you know? And to not be in that sort of pain. And I, I really am hoping that more people come to understand that it's not, it, it's not something that is flippant, you know, it's very much a lifelong process of getting there. And they were saying, you know, they love to work out that once they have to start going into the men's locker room, they don't, they're not looking forward to that because they can't stand the way that other men smell. And that will probably treat them badly and painfully and things like that. That's one, also one of their concerns so,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240it goes so much deeper than
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240so much deeper.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240the parts that we can see. And, you know, I don't, I don't know where this political environment's gonna go. mean, they're talking about, um, conversion therapy for gays. It's like, what? Like, yeah.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240let's break that down for a minute. So if that actually happens, are they gonna come for you and me?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240I mean, they can try, but,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240And then, then what do we do? Like, I haven't even thought about it really because I, it seems like a pipe dream. I.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240which are kids, kids. Um, you know, it's, it's so layered. All of this stuff is so layered and, you know, who knows what they're gonna do? They probably don't even know what they're gonna do. They're just. Throwing all of this stuff out, I think to incite fear you know, I, I think that we as a community need to stand together and make sure that it doesn't happen.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240I mean,'cause it feels like, you know, a version of the Holocaust, right? For us as well, we're going to be hiding kids at our house. I can walk outside and pass as a very straight woman. I've had to do that before I could do it again, but why should I have to, why do I want to, you know? And I just, oh my God, it seems so dystopian that that could actually happen. You know, I have gay flags in my backyard, not in my front yard because I have a Trumper that lives next door to me with Trump signs on his windows and all these things. So I don't need him to know if he looked over my fence and saw the flags, he hasn't bothered me. But I, I'm very proud and I just. Think like you're saying that the most vulnerable population, and I look at my own daughter who isn't at all in the L-G-B-T-Q-I, um, spectrum, but what would I do if they were coming for her at 12 years old, you know, if she was presenting mask or something like that. Like how would I try to protect her and what, you know, what other things can we do for the kids besides keep getting them therapy and having, you know, warm food and places to say and clothing to wear that are congruent with their thinking, right? That you can come and get, you know, pantyhose and whatever, hats and gloves and things like that, that represent you. Makeup. Um, I was talking to someone the other day about period envy with, you know, young trans people and wearing pads. Anyway, like all of these things are real that people just have to embrace.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah, well I think the current administration is just trying to instill fear into people. And they don't go for people that are strong-willed. They go for the vulner, the vulnerable people, which is what they're doing now with the immigrant population,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240it's the same thing.'cause they are weak, uh, cowards is what they are and you know, so that's why the rest of us need to, you know, hold strong as a community and especially with the L-G-B-T-Q.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240I think maybe doing a podcast, and I just thought of this now while we're talking about it, and having voices doing anonymous podcasting with trans people would be such a great show, and you literally just keep, you know any, just tell us your story. Just let's just keep sharing these stories so people can hear it, and so you guys can hear each other, you know, because like you said, in small towns, Mississippi, Alabama, places like that, even, you know, Kentucky. Utah, um, Idaho, you don't necessarily cross paths with people that you can have those conversations with. So if we're having those conversations anonymously, so they're protected, not on video, obviously, that, that would be such a great, um, avenue for having almost like an online therapy session, right? People send in the questions, here's some, you know, these are the top five questions of this week. How can you answer them from your perspective? And then somebody else the next week, well, now here they are, that kind of thing. I don't know. That just came to my mind of a,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240great idea.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240yeah, really great way to, in the safety of your car if you just listen to it, you know, from your iPhone or wherever or your not iPhone, um, to have that. And it's, that's all it's about. It's all, it's about. It's just about what you're going through, what are you feeling? And um, that might be a really good idea.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240that, that's awesome idea. We
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Maybe we should collaborate,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240for
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240right? Take turns, like interviewing and see who else is out there that wants to do it. You know, since we both have our own projects and your magazine and things like that. So, going back, um, to the magazine, how can we help you get the magazine out there, get subscribers, how much does it cost, that sort of thing. And what sort of, um, articles are you looking for and things like that.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240So we have a website called Women who podcast mag.com. So that's a good place to start and we're always looking for writers. You can, you know, submit your podcast, get featured on the website. We have a up and coming segment of the magazine that's for, um, podcast like you,'cause you'll be in the October issue, um,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240you.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240that are, are like a year, less than a year old. Um, just to kind of get you out there and get some exposure. know, we have collabs, um, we have a promo swap page where, um, podcasters can collaborate together and promote other's podcasts. And, you know, that's how podcasters find you as well. and everything is very low barrier. Like, that's free. You know, there's no pay wall. The only thing you have to pay for is the issue, and it's 5 99 an issue, or 20 bucks a year, which is, it's a quarterly magazine. So that's four issues a year. you know, for featured podcasters and the writers, we have a learning community that I do once a month, um, for podcasters to come. We do some workshops sometimes, or it's just a place for podcasters to and be with other like-minded podcasters.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240So what kind of, um, writers are you looking for? What, what sorts of topics?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240So, I mean. I try to
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Um.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240it as broad. I'm very open to ideas about topics. It doesn't have to be podcast specific, but it does have to be something that podcasters can utilize, you know, um, like some of the topic articles right now, I'm basically writing them myself with, uh, for the October issue, we're gonna talk about AI and how it's impacting people and the planet. Um, we're talking about how to rekindle the fire for podcasting, just things that are actionable that people can actually, you know, take away and, and do something or maybe resonate with, um, because we're all, have other things going on in our lives. So, you know, reducing stress or multitasking or time management or, you know, whatever tips has in that regard.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Oh, that's great. Can you talk a little bit before we start to wrap up, but can you talk a little bit about the awards that you do and how do you think that will translate for other young like, um, alpha Gen Alpha podcast women in identifying, um, female identifying podcasters in the future?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240was our first year doing the awards. I was very to do the awards because I don't particularly like them, only because the awards that I have seen are more of a popularity contest
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240you have to nominate, you have to be nominated or, and then you have people vote for you. And to me that's just, I don't like it. And I don't like people put, I don't like putting people in that position. I decided to do the awards mainly as a fundraiser because I wanna start a scholarship slash mentorship program for women podcasters who quite gotten that, one step closer to starting their own podcast, whether it's financially or just they're not ready. Um, so that's one of the main reasons why I did the awards. But also I feel like women independent podcasters deserve accolades. They deserve to be awarded for their, the bravery, their, you know, getting their voices out, getting other people's voices out.'cause it's hard work, as you know, to do a podcast consistently on a regular basis. So. The awards were great. They were a huge success. We had like 76 submissions. Um, you know, we gave out multiple awards and we had a judge's panel that I wasn't part of, which was great. So, you know, it's just thing that I can do to bring more women independent podcasters to the forefront. So I think it's, it's great and, and I, you know, I do the magazine because I feel like I am, at service. Like I am here doing a service for others. Um, I'm not here to, it's not because of the money, it's not for my own It's, I'm more of like a vessel. I'm more of like a tool, um, that the podcasters can use to get more exposure and get. Get together with other podcasters and network and collab, like, I'm, I'm just here.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240So do you think at some point you'll, I mean,'cause I love women getting together and like retreats and things like this. Do you think eventually you guys will do like, like pod women who podcast camp or something like that?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240either a conference, um, or meetups throughout the states. Like that's my next thing. I think,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Fun.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240kind of put a twist into all of that, and now that we're kind of, kind of coming out of that, you know, people are doing things more now. Um, I would love to do like regional meetups, um, throughout the year. And, you know, we did, um, a virtual symposium in 22. was the two days, and it was just, um, it was like four speakers and they gave the speakers two hours to. Do their workshop and they weren't selling anything. And I think that's one of the things at the podcast conferences for me was difficult because every session you would go into, the presenter was trying to sell you something they would like hit the like basic, they wouldn't even, it was like all surface information, right? that's my hope is that we can get an in-person symposium where we have speakers that can go in there for two hours. They aren't selling anything. And it's actionable information like you can take with you to implement once you get home.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Right. I, I'm, I've been an entrepreneur for going on 30 years and when I first started I had so many amazing women mentors that shared the. Their whole catalog of their brain with me. And one of them, I said, aren't you worried that you know people are gonna come and just like, steal your ideas or whatever? And she said to me, one, hardly anyone ever comes and asks for help to start with. And two, I could download my entire brain to you. And you're still only gonna know a fraction of what I know because I know how to put it together. And you, you just know the facts and the, but you don't know the details. You don't know the, the nuances. There's nothing that I can give away to you that, or there, I could give away everything to you and it's still not gonna come out the way that I would do it. So. Like you said, you don't wanna go to a podcast conference or any sort of conference and be sort of weaponized, right? Like, oh, you could have just watched this on a webinar now. Do you wanna be part of our mastermind or whatever? That's not what I want either. I want, and that's how I listen to podcasts now too. Are you trying to sell me something? Are you trying to tell me a story because I'm here for this story.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Mm-hmm.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Then I will take the story in whichever way that I want. I wanna be part of your entrepreneur group because I wanna network people. I don't want everyone saying have a call with me so I can try to sell you my thing. Like it's, it's too much, you know, pitch slapping people and it gets really old fast. So I would love to be a part of your regional meetups or something like that, or come to, you know, glam camp for podcasting women or something. It would be fun to have, um, an L-G-B-T-Q, um. Podcasting camp too, with just like Campy, the Campiest camp ever.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240that
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yes, yes. But the Campiest camp ever, like drag show,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah, for
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240drag queen show, drag king show, just as campy as you could possibly get. That would be so much fun. But only for podcasters. Right? Or like, it would be really, really fun. Next, I is there anything else you wanna talk about before we wrap up? I.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Um, I just think that if, if anyone out there is considering starting a podcast to just do it and you know, don't Google how to start a podcast'cause you'll get 5 million responses and then you'll be like, this is too hard, I'm not gonna do it. And you'll throw up your hands and be overwhelmed. So I think reach out to someone who is already podcasting if you can. Um, like Quincy and, uh, just get, get somebody to kind of help you along because it's really, it's really worth it. It's really worth the hard work. The people that you bring into your life is amazing and it's, it's definitely worth, worth taking that leap to do.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah, it's the best online dating you'll ever do because you don't have to get in bed with these people. I mean, you can if you want to, but you don't have to.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240click the leave button and you're gone.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240exactly. It's the most intimate you'll get with somebody too, also without having to get in bed with them, which sometimes is quite even sexier than getting in bed with somebody. Right?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240It's true.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240'cause I do ask a lot of my, my guests some sort of crazy questions. So I'm gonna ask you, I usually ask'em at the beginning, but now I'm gonna ask you at the end, what's your biggest kink?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Oh boy. Let's see. This is, I'm glad you asked this at the end because now I can just hit that red leave session and I'll be good.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240You can, it has to upload first. You know better.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240I think my biggest kink is a really, um, intelligent woman.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240That's very sexy.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah. It
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Emotionally intelligent,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Yes.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240mentally intelligent, book smart, like all of those things. Street smart. Yeah. That's very, very sexy. Um, if you could change one thing about the podcasting world, what would you change?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240The gatekeeping.'cause there's a lot of it and
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240male dominated, so the misogynistic bullshit that's happening, I'm about over it. So, you know, we need to get more women podcasters out there.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Awesome. Um, speaking of that, I remember the question I was gonna ask you. In what spaces do you see, since you don't listen to too many podcasts, but in what spaces do you see where there's a lack of women podcasters? Like what topics do you think, or what types of shows do you think need to be?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240that's for sure.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240I don't listen to two crimes. I have no idea.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Um, I think I would probably say the L-G-B-T-Q topics, honestly. Um, friend and I, Angela Brianis started a, another podcast together called Let's Be Real, and we review movies and TVs TV shows that are L-G-B-T-Q centered. so that's been fun to do.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Did you guys watch boots yet on Netflix?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240mm-hmm.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240B-O-O-T-S. It's, um, gays in the military.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Ah,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240And it's a film, it's a mini series, I believe. I haven't watched it yet. It just came, like, got released, so, and I can't watch it with my 12-year-old. Mm-hmm.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240trilogy, an lg, it's a, um, L-G-B-T-Q trilogy. The first one we watched, see we did The Honey Don't First'cause it came out on theaters and then we didn't realize there was a trilogy. So then we just did the one before that, um, called Runaway Drive Away Dolls. So if you haven't watched Drive Away Dolls, I highly recommend. It's Margaret Qually.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Oh wow.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240in both of them. And then the third one is, uh, I think it's, it's gonna be something like Go Beavers or something. It's Ethan Cohen and his wife Trisha Cook. Um, and Trisha Cook is identifies as a lesbian even though they're married, but they have an open relationship. Uh, so yeah, so it's, it's been fun to review those and just kind of give our perspective as to slightly older lesbians
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Awesome.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240uh, and how it represents the community and how. How it kind of, presents, you know, how it views the community.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240I love that. That's, that sounds like a lot of fun. I would like to do some collaborating more with people like co-hosting and stuff like that. I think that's my next step. I just haven't found one anyone to offer, but two, somebody that sort of matches my boundless energy, my
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Your
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240definite. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240you're street smarts, you're,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240no, no. I was gonna say like my raw sense of humor, like GoDaddy, lesbian version, not GoDaddy, that's a call her daddy is what I'm to say. But in the lesbian Gen X world, right? So it's sort of is a cross up between, um, like a RuPaul and a, um, oh God, why am I forgetting her name right now? Um, blonde hair. She's a comedian. Very funny. She lives here in la, has a bunch of dogs. God, why can't I think of her name?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Weston offer, is
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240No, it's not Suzanne. No, this is a non lesbian person, but somebody that, you know, has had lesbian things. Anyway, I, it's like a combination of those. So I'm just kind of looking for, if I decide to do something like that, it would have to be somebody that isn't
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240matches all those things.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240nice to have someone that's opposite you for
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Unless I was like having to pull teeth.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Well, true.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah. I mean, they definitely need to connect and
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240right,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240kind of chemistry
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240right. Definitely some chemistry
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240essence, your aura.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240with the aura. Oh, did you listen to my podcast about my aura, by the way?
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240I haven't,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Oh God. It was, it was freaky.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240actually.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240It was a rant that I did. It was a solo podcast after I came back from a conference and I was like, wow, this was like a can of worms and definitely something to like delve into and I haven't had anyone respond the way I needed them to to that yet. I need somebody to help me break down this whole aura thing because apparently I can quantum leap.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240Oh, okay.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240so considering, I didn't even know what Quantum leaping was when she said You could Quantum Leap. And I said, now tell me what exactly that is. I know there's been a TV show. That's what I said.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240That
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240No,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240awesome.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240no,
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240The
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240I never watched it.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240show,
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Yeah, no, I never watch. I don't have time to watch tv.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240uh, whatever his name was.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Oh, okay. No, I didn't know. So she explained it to me and I mean like literally for about three weeks afterwards I kept going, wow, what does this mean? And I've had a lot of, this is a different topic for a different show, a lot of experiences in that in my lifetime that I didn't know. So basically it was just learning the term about it and like going through my history and since then what's happened. So it's a big thing. But anyway, thank you for coming on the show. I'm just. Gonna wrap it up here. I think sometimes we forget that humor isn't about hiding, it's about surviving with style. Kathy reminded me tonight that sarcasm can hold softness, and that being loud doesn't mean you aren't listening. For every woman who's ever been asked to make herself smaller or simpler, this conversation is proof that complexity is its own kind of grace. Wit is just the doorway and what lives beneath it. That's where your story begins. So thank you for coming on. I appreciate it so much.
kathy-guest780_1_10-14-2025_131240think I, I had a blast, so thank you. I.
quincy_1_10-14-2025_131240Awesome. Thank you.
