Episode 9: Tales of an Elementary School Library Lady

What’s the best thing you’ve ever found in a library book? April found $5 once, back in the 1980’s when five bucks meant something to a kid. 

And that was her most exciting library book discovery until a few years ago, when she was an elementary school library aide hanging out with sweet little kindergarteners.

In this episode, April tells the unbelievable true story of the strangest thing she ever found hidden in a library cart and why that moment made her question all of her common sense. 

Music by Caitlyn Vinci. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

When we sow the seeds of change that grow the plants of the new hate, where the gods can all be seen as one we ride.

SPEAKER_03 0:19

In this life, there are moments when we feel a shift in things. We leave a moment different from when we entered it. These moments make us who we are. Let's talk about them.

SPEAKER_02 0:31

But you're fabulous. You're flying high today for episode two. I'm loving your fiesta wear in the background. Getting a little bit of colorful happiness. So I like it. Do you have room in there for more?

SPEAKER_03 0:46

No. And honestly, I just filled up one of the shelves and had to rearrange. I don't know if you can tell. But which the second shelf it is full of a whole tea set that my mom gave me with matching plates and a platter. And I'm so cute.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

And then you rediscovered it.

SPEAKER_03 1:05

Rediscovery, baby.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

Love it. Yeah, my channel cabinet is full. So if I acquire a new teapot or tea cup, I have to get rid of one. That's my rule. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_03 1:17

Um so what do we got on the books today?

SPEAKER_02 1:20

Today we're gonna talk about embarrassing moments in our personal history. And what the heck does it mean to be embarrassed? And Carrie, are you easily embarrassed? Or were you ever? What what's embarrassing to you?

SPEAKER_03 1:38

I think embarrassing is when you worry about someone else judging you. And I think that now that I'm 43 and the Fs are constantly leaving the building, I kind of feel like I don't get embarrassed much anymore.

SPEAKER_04 1:54

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:55

Um, except for when I'm caught doing something I sh like that isn't appropriate. So a really quick story. This week I was sending photos of some furniture I'm selling to a friend. So this friend doesn't know me very well, right? But enough. And I'm like, hey, do you have a resource that you could send these pictures to, or some of the pictures to? And like just And this is like a newer acquaintance, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:22

You haven't known them forever. Right, no, just newer acquaintance. Really know you super well.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

Yeah, so I send them these pictures, and all these pictures I have already sent to my cousin. And so I send him these pictures, and he's like real nice, and he sends me a screenshot back, and it's this little tiny zoomed-in of my middle finger because you're flipping off the camera? I did! I did that funny thing where you flip off the mirror and I took a picture and I sent it because I originally sent it to my cousin, so I was trying to mess with her.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

Like to see if your cousin wanted them or something.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

Well, my they belong to my cousin, so I took the photo so she could post them to to sell. And then I was also like, hey, other person that I know, can you do you have any resources to sell these things? And so I took that photo and I totally forgot about it because I don't do that kind of thing. And I did it to be funny and like mess with her, and then I deleted the photos, but I went back and like my like deleted to get the photos because I'm not sure. Forgetting why you deleted them. Yeah, and so then this person that I sent them to was like, oh, real nice. And I was like totally embarrassed because I'm like, first of all, I'm not the flipper-offer kind. Like, I will probably say the words more than I flip off. And then also that was like a silly prank funny thing that I did for one specific person, and then it accidentally went to you, so the embarrassment lied in like because he thought he had no, he probably thought you were just flipping this regular dude minding his own business.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

This lady says, Hey, I know you might be know somebody who wants these. Here's a picture, secretly F you. What?

SPEAKER_03 3:59

And the thing is, I'm I'm normally not like like I'm pretty.

SPEAKER_02 4:03

I don't want to say straight laced, because you know me and you know I can be silly, but like you don't go on flipping people off all the time, even in pictures, it's not even a shtick of yours.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

No, and it's so like for me, I was embarrassed because I'm like, oh, this person saw a side of me that I wasn't ready to give. Yeah. And also a side of me that like unless you know me, you know that like that's not who I am. So I was embarrassed because I'm like, oh, this person judged me, you know, and so I think that for me embarrassment lies in judgment, you know.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

Yeah, so do you were you more concerned that he thought you were the kind of person to randomly fill up people off in pictures, or that he thought you were being aggressive to him and flipping him off while his monitoring?

SPEAKER_03 4:44

I didn't even think about that second part. I think it's this idea of oh, this person thinks I'm this way or this persona and I'm not. So I was more worried about my reputation of oh no, you you you don't know who I am, and I just blew the the roof off of this place, you know. Like I don't want to give the wrong impression of someone I'm not. Yeah. Okay. So it was an embarrassment of not being like I was being authentic, but about oh shit, I didn't race you for that. Yes. But yeah, I mean I I guess that's the other part of it is I wouldn't want him to be, you know, or anybody to think that I'm being rude like that too.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

So or to feel uncomfortable. Yeah, I don't so I had an embarrassing one this week too, Carrie, and like you, I don't care. And I don't get embarrassed. Except for, yeah, like if it I don't even know. I gotta think about a time when I was embarrassed in my before times. But anyway, I'm like you, I roll with it, things funny. I don't get embarrassed. But last week, like you, I had an embarrassing situation with a male acquaintance, and I can't believe I did. Okay, so here's the story. At my job in the building where I work, I have my colleagues, my everyday people that I interact with. And then also in the building is another company of people that I interact with regularly, but they're not my day-to-day people that I hang out with and I text and I chat and know stuff. Yeah, so these people know me, but not the same way. So a little a level removed. Uh so I was in another part of I work in a museum. So in another part of the museum, and there's all these teachers that had come in for a class, and I was just sitting in the back waiting for it to start because I was gonna do part of my job in there, but I was not part of their thing. So this massive room full of teachers quietly getting ready for a class, having some breakfast that we put out. When this colleague of mine from the other company swings into the room because he's on his way to the next room, he's gonna do a big Zoom presentation, and and he was popping in to ask me about something we had been talking about, and I complimented his outfit because he likes to dress up. You know, a lot of dudes kind of is he a bow tie guy? Um, he he wasn't wearing one that, but yes, he will wear a bow tie. So, yes, he is fun because he is funky, and he is one of my my buddies at work who will talk to me about random antiques and weird uh thrift finding. And so when he came in, I actually started talking to him about my Navajo turquoise escapades, and he is so knowledgeable about all this stuff.

unknown 7:25

Oh, that's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

He had he has this whole display wall in this house of antique typewriters, so he's always he's always a trip to talk to, and usually, and he's a higher up in this organization, usually he is a stream of swears, like his vocabulary is just swear, swear, swear, but it's hysterical. So he comes in this room, he's prepping for a more formal Zoom meeting where he's going to be teaching people across the nation about X, Y, or Z. So he's dressed, he's got this cool blazer on and a little pocket kerchief. I just was noticing all his details, and we like to talk about those things. So we're just chatting away, and um also to explain this guy. I don't know how to explain him except for that he is like probably six and a half foot tall, slender, and he has this long narrow beard, like bigger than my husband's beard. It's very impressive. So, anyways, we're just chatting away and he's going to a Zoom meeting and he's looking all fancy, and I see I see a long, long beard hair, about six inches past his ultra long beard. And I was like, oh man, I'm gonna help this guy out because he's going to a Zoom call. He likes to look good and he's got a stray beard. And so I just grabbed that beard hair and I yanked on it. And I was like, you got a loose hair. And it wasn't loose, it was stuck. Oh no.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

Was it long enough? And because of the way I'm picturing it, I'm picturing it super long. So when you just do a quick right, it was a quick pull, they would like pull his chin yet.

SPEAKER_02 9:08

I'm like, oh, this is not coming loose anymore. Like, move you go in for a second one because you were Gary, there was no denying what was happening. I pulled it, it was stuck to his face, and you're like, whoa! Like, oh my gosh. But there's this room full of teachers probably hearing this conversation. He can't swear because he's got to be professional, man, with the teachers. He's got to keep his putty mouth under control. So do I. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I do not know you nearly well enough to be touching your beard. I just touched your beard. And he he like brushed it off and he was like, Oh, this dang beard is so stinking long, gets caught in everything, blah, blah, blah. He was just going on, but I thought, oh no, I crossed a line.

SPEAKER_03 9:48

He was embarrassed too.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

I crossed a line. I don't know if he was embarrassed. I think he was just kind of like, whatever, those beards sometimes a pain in the ass. Oh, right. I was like, oh no. I should not have I should not have touched your beard ever.

SPEAKER_03 10:03

I think well, okay, so I'm analyzing it from my perspective of like, what would I have done, right? What would I have done?

SPEAKER_02 10:09

If you were the bearded person or the person who gave. Yeah, I don't answer that beard.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

Because I would just probably swear and be like, oh he kept it together. Yeah, so that's good. Good on him. Very professional. And also looking at it, and I'm like, I probably would have been like, I don't know, I'm pretty I'm an extrovert. So for me, I'd be like, oh shit, sorry, dude. Let me get through the scissors. And then I'd like to try to manicure him. Or I'd be like trying to really rip it off for him. Or you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 10:40

Just like it was somebody like the the person from Facebook that you know, but you don't know. Would you feel comfortable with somebody of that level of knowing versus like somebody you've hung out with a lot?

SPEAKER_03 10:54

I just I feel like the Facebook friend, the person I I know that like I just messaged, I don't know them that well at all. I just like they have a history with my family, so I know them. Yeah, but like it's not like very personal. It's okay. Um, so for that person, yeah, I probably would be like a little bit like I don't know yet, right? But a coworker, that's a whole different thing. But this is different. I understand. I understand it's like a different section of coworkers, right? On the on the pyramid of coworkerness, like I get it. But I kind of feel like there comes a time when you're in the trenches together and you realize it. And like you were doing the nice thing by being like, let me make sure you look your best.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:36

Because and let me get this.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

So, like, you know, like if I pulled a beard off his shoulder, fine, but it just was stuck to the ding. And then that shit, that stupid hair just like sprung back up and hid itself in his beard. It wasn't even like a scraggle. I don't even know, Carrie. He had to have been I had to been hiding in his beard for like a year because it was so much longer than the rest of his face.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

Maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

And that day it just s descended.

SPEAKER_03 12:01

I bet you I guarantee that you are thinking about it more than him, even though I just repeat in the story, right? And I think that's like when we get embarrassed, that's how it goes. It's always us who are embarrassed, not that person. Like that.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

He probably hasn't thought about it since.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

Yeah, and maybe at home, his wife does that shit all the time, and it's like they're always happening. So he's like, He does not have a wife. Oh, this person.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

And we are the same age too. So I'm like, I hope he doesn't think I was trying to like be too familiar.

SPEAKER_03 12:27

I don't know. I feel like there's a code when you're married and feel like loyal. People just know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

You know, so they're like, oh no, I just messed up because I'm because it wasn't if it was a grandpa man and I yanked on his beard, I would have laughed and like, sorry, grandpa man, but he's like my age. I'm like, oh, I wasn't trying to like like it just comes down.

SPEAKER_03 12:45

Like when I'm I get really personal. I just feel like I get really personal with my co-workers like instantly because I'm like, we gotta do this crap, we're in the trenches together. I spend more time with you than I do with my family. I'm gonna pull on your beard hair if I feel like I need to, you know, if if I'm gonna be helping you out, you know.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

Yeah. Um so so yeah. I think it was the person, like depending on who it is, because if it was some of the other guys at the museum that I work with that I don't see as much, it would have been it still is funny, but I was just like, oh dude.

SPEAKER_03 13:18

Because like, isn't that a great reminder of how human we are? Because I swear, like sometimes things are going really, really good or really, really bad, and you're just like expecting it all, and then all of a sudden, like one or the other, right? You're like, oh, you know, like I can't take another thing, or man, things are going great. I'm not even listening to paying attention, and then all of a sudden something real human happens, like, oh, I'm gonna yank someone's beard, oops, I'm gonna accidentally send my middle finger to somebody I don't really know. Like, that's to me, like, I just feel like those are great moments to ground yourself and be like, oh, that's right, like, yeah, this is life, this is how it goes, right?

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Well, that one that one threw me for a loop because normally, like we've said, we don't get embarrassed very much.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

So I was it like really jars you because it's been so long, right?

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Yeah, so well it it it mortified me in the moment. I don't know if it mortified me, it was just like, holy shit, I did the wrong thing. I texted my colleagues and they because they know this person, oh god, they were just dying. One girl's like, she's like, I had tears in my eyes, I couldn't even get the words out to tell somebody what happened because it was so funny. And I was like, okay, there was a funny thing. I, you know, people laughed, whatever, we're moving on with our day. Later, when I saw this person, again, I was gonna apologize to them, but I couldn't because of the situation. I was like, oh no, I still feel silly about this, and that was the thing that got to me because usually I feel silly, I laugh, I move on, and then ha ha ha, but I'm like, oh my gosh, I still felt a little bad.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

Yeah, but my question is what like if you have to, you know, root go down to the roots, what is the root of like why you're embarrassed?

SPEAKER_02 14:52

I think it's because I tried touching someone with whom I do not have a touching relationship with. So I was like, and and I I'm more friendly, like if someone touched me or whatever, I wouldn't care, but I'm just like Yeah, but you've never had your rip hair ripped out by a stranger lately.

SPEAKER_03 15:10

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

I don't care. Um so I think the thing was okay, so yeah, with this guy was fine, it was safe. I interact with a lot of people in the community, and I I think I would the thing was I was worried that I'm getting a little too brazen in like helping people out. And what if I do that to somebody that I totally shouldn't do it to, and it upsets or you know, like flusters them or kind of throws them off their their game because we have a lot of like high visibility people coming into my work and stuff who I do interact with in that way, but not that close to. So I'm just like, keep your hands to yourself, April. And if somebody's got toilet paper coming off their shoe, some big wig comes in, you just discreetly point it out, but you don't touch it.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

That cuts me out.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

So I think that's where it was.

SPEAKER_03 16:03

If I was in a job where there's prestigious people around me, like I don't know if that's the right word, but like I would be on high on high end too. Um, just remember he works at the same place you do and gets paid by the same employer.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

So, like well, that guy, no, like that yeah, this is like totally different people, so that's what I'm like. But is he uh an emblem of what if I did that to one of the big philanthropists in town? Like, do not touch the beards. So before that, my team had taken headshots with a photographer, and I acted as a photographer's assistant, making sure people didn't have their hair out of place or wrinkles on their shirts, and just so I had just been that's nice, yes, with my own team, like will let me help you out, which they expected because they were standing in front of a camera, and I know them. But so I think my brain was still in that mode of he is going in front of a camera, help the colleague out. So hopefully I've reset my brain and I don't do that to a big wig.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

If not, this is what I would do. I think sometimes there's a rec um reconciliation that needs to happen or like an acknowledgement, and that sometimes when we embarrass ourselves, we have to rectify the situation. And even that person that I sent the middle finger to, I was like senting laugh emojis, and I'm like, so sorry, this is not out of character. That was for my cousin, ha ha ha. When I saw him, I actually saw him a couple days later, um, actually yesterday, and I had mentioned it to him. He's like, Don't worry about it. Yeah, he had already forgotten about it. But to me, yeah, to me, because it like went against my character, like that's where it it lived, right? So I think that sometimes there's two things you could do. You can say, like, I'm sorry, or you can make a joke about it and be like, hey man, don't come too close to me. I'm gonna pull it here again. You know what I mean? And then if you both laugh about it, then it's like, oh ha ha ha, we have that now. We have this moment.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

It's totally fine. But yeah. So I do have a story I want to tell today that I think I want to know if the listeners would you be embarrassed in the situation? Because spoiler alert, I was not, and I think these kinds of stories normally people are I think mortified around, even if they didn't do anything wrong. Because in this story, I I don't feel like I really did anything wrong, like the thing that that happens. So yeah, here is a story of something that happened to me in the olden times, Carrie. By the olden times I mean pre-COVID.

SPEAKER_03 18:31

Yeah, that's literally I was gonna say, uh, that's not that long ago because we knew each other, but also it was a different timeline because yeah, and and honestly, still if you're like, hey Carrie, how long have we been friends? I still don't know. Like, I don't do any math before COVID. I like it's a six year, hasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 18:49

The world ended.

SPEAKER_03 18:50

See, there you go. I'm like, oh, a year, no, but yeah, I'm like, how long have you and I know each other? Remember, we we talk about this all the time where we go back in time and it's like 2019 or 2017, was it wasn't that long, but wait, was it? Yeah, because Riley was born. Okay, anyways, the point is we're not going there. We've been friends a long time now, and for me, in my brain, I'm like, oh, my friend April, my new friend April. Because it's been this before COVID, my brain still goes to the city.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

I know because you're like, oh, COVID just happened.

SPEAKER_03 19:17

No, it's been like almost a decade, April. We've been we've been friends closer to a decade. Can you believe that?

SPEAKER_02 19:22

That's very cool.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

So I've got so your story happened.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Just months before COVID. That time in my life was very different than it is now. And it's so funny because that story, I don't ever share much on Facebook at all, but this thing happened to me that I thought would amuse people. And it was winter and we're all depressed and stuff. So I I posted it, and I realized as I watched that video recently, how how different my life is now. It's only been six years, Carrie quote, only. But that's a whole lifetime.

SPEAKER_03 19:53

Like I look at that and I think my hair age you too, and and I don't mean like physically, I mean like your timeline is based around their age. So like six years in a kid is like a whole lifetime. Like they're not not even close to who they were six years ago, you know, because they want to adult time physically so much. So yeah. So for six years, that's not much in adult time, but when you put a kid in there in the mix, it feels like a it's it's a crazy well.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

I was I was looking at it not even with my kids, so yeah, none of them are like this this was an elementary school story. None of my kids are in elementary anymore, but but also I'm looking in there, I'm watching this video, and I'm like, I don't have the same hair, I don't have the same face, I don't the clothes I'm wearing in there, I don't even own anymore. Who doesn't like you know, Carrie, you and I are kind of the people who keep our clothes. I that's all gone. The chair in my living room isn't there. Nothing in this video that I recorded is the same. Even wow, that's I was thinking back to like what was I doing back then? So I have a different job, which that happens. But I had a six-month-old puppy at the time. I still don't even have that puppy anymore. I don't even have that dog. Life has just changed so crazy. Back then I was working part-time, kind of full-time, part-time. I was volunteering at my kids' school, though. I had a lot of time to do not a lot, but because I had a flexible schedule, I was working 30 hours a week making my own schedule, I could do things like library lady or help in the classroom, field trip mom, whatever. Like these are the things I know you still get to do. You get to do. Um, and I because my life has changed in six years, I don't have that availability anymore. So it was just wild to look at that and think, what's our lives gonna be like in six more years, Carrie?

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Listen, this is not the right time in my this is not the right part of my life.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

But you just asked me in a month. Yeah, like six years from our we'll look back and be like, what? Like there's even stuff that we We can't even imagine. So it's just really interesting and maybe that's kind of like a word of encouragement to people out there who are maybe in a really weird spot. In five years or six years, your life just think about every five or six years of your life, it's not the same for most people. Things happen.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

Yeah. Oh, that's a good segue. Have you ever heard the saying that if you're s you're not gonna think about it anymore, don't worry about it. Because like, think about it, like you spill the pop and you get mad. Like I used to be a very reactive parent and I really like and then I feel personally that that saying really helped level set my expectations of like what do you really get upset about and what's really worth it? And so I'd get oh the pop spill, uh you know, or whatever, and then like in a year from now will I even think about that? Um no, never. No, and it even if you take one day of your life and you just think about all the things that you stressed out about, how many of those things will you even think about in this?

SPEAKER_02 22:56

It's true.

SPEAKER_03 22:57

Laundry?

SPEAKER_02 22:59

Well, yes, laundry, because laundry is every day. A new load of laundry.

SPEAKER_03 23:02

Well, really, but yeah, exactly. But that's a thing like what's worth being stressed about because yeah, one year and then you move to five years. What are you gonna really be worried about in five years?

SPEAKER_02 23:14

So the thing back then, five years ago that I remember worrying about, I don't worry about anymore. I was I was a dog sitter, and so I did rover and I also had friends and family. I would dog sit. And I remember back then we had so many different dogs, and my kids always ask about them, how's so-and-so? How's so-and-so? Because they come and go in your life and stuff. And at that time we had various dogs, but two of our regulars were called Jax and Little Jerry. So Little Jerry was this hysterical little rat terrier. He was like he was like a sausage, okay? But he the kids loved him, he was a small little guy, and they delighted in him. And Jax was his Dash Hound sister, who was like also oversized. She was like 50 pounds, she was like a sausage dachshund, but she was big, and she had seizures, so whenever she came to her house, she had to take seizure medicine. And I remember one time my girls they loved this dog, so they take Jax down with them and they put Jax in bed with them, and Jax would go on adventures. So one day Jax is in bed with one of them and she started to have a seizure, and the girls are trying to help her, and Jax slides down in the crack between the bed and the wall, and she's still having her seizure, and like Izzy was like seven, and she's like, Mom, what do I do?

SPEAKER_04 24:39

Poor Jax.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

So I got her out, but that dog, that little shit, she had an obsession with vacuum cleaner cords. Like three times she chewed immediately through my vacuum cleaner cord if I ever had it out. So then after that, anytime she came over, it's like, no vacuum, guys, no vacuuming, unless we lock her in the kitchen and we vacuum, we hurry up and put her away. Because the first time it happened, I was like, What is this? How did this happen? And I'm thinking, dog, you get seizures. Don't be chewing on a plugged-in vacuum cord. Maybe that was probably it. So, anyways, things like that were in my life then. I don't have those things now, I have other things. But at that time, so this story is about being able to be the library lady at my kids' school, which I loved. Like being a librarian is one of my top five like alt job careers, you know, like if I could do it. So let's be realistic, Carrie. I have an arcolepsy. If I had to work in a you know, a silent library all day, quiet. I I I can't I can't physically do the job of a librarian, but yes, the idea is enchanting.

SPEAKER_03 25:49

Yeah. That's just your retirement job. So sometimes, like, you know, retirees.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Yeah, I could volunteer to library or do part-time stuff.

SPEAKER_03 25:58

Yeah, couple hours, do so. And I would say for you.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

So don't let me be at the table. I have to walk around and put things away or to move. So that was my job actually with the library. Every week, kids had library, so a parent would sign up and come to the class, and you'd like check in all the books that the students had checked out and get all the kids sorted and get them their little tickets to like check out another book and just kind of do admin while the librarian is reading a story and doing educational things.

SPEAKER_04 26:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

Yep. So that day it was I was my son's class, he was in kindergarten. He was a little boy. He's now in sixth grade. I know.

SPEAKER_03 26:40

It that's the thing though, like the pre-COVID brain says, No, he's not. And I just go, I've literally heard you every day almost talk about one of your children. I know how old they are, give or take. And now you're talking about him being in kindergarten, and I remember, but I still can't even.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

So little kindergarten boy, his whole class, and I excuse me, I'm sorry, keep coughing. I've got allergies right now. But they're being library was so fun because you got to see all the kids in the class, but you didn't have to be responsible for them, which because it's hard to keep these children controlled. They're kindergartners or chatty and stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:19

Also, you're not trying to make them do anything. Oh, like the they get together.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

But they can come and ask me for help. I can go help them. But if they're yakking and stuff, that's on the teacher, that's on the librarian, other people. So it was it was perfect world for me. You just get to be the buffer, yeah. So I remember one day I don't remember. This might have been my daughter's class, but this little boy came in and he came up to me to check. Oh, yeah, because I also checked out the book. So he comes up to you in his book and he's like, This is such a good day. I'm checking out this book that I really like. I did cooking class today, and tonight I'm teaching my grandma how to be a ninja.

unknown 27:59

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Did your grandma know?

unknown 28:02

Did your grandma know?

SPEAKER_02 28:05

And he stopped and he he just kind of thought from it. He goes, but I've never taught a grandma how to be a ninja before, so I don't know how it'll go. He says, She she wants to be a god, that's so good. What is this little boy? Who is this little boy? I'm like, ah, do I know your grandma? Can I warn her? I need to be a good one. Hey, stealth ninja training starts tonight. Okay. And and Raiden is ready because he's got a great book today. He did cooking class, and you're the trifective. So it's just, and these are the things I'm sure teachers hear all the time, hysterical things that kids do. So I got I loved that. So that day I'm I'm just the kids have not talked to me. I'm checking the books, and I pick up the first book from the pile to scan it in, and I'm smelling poop. And I I just walked in there and I thought, oh my gosh, I've stepped in dog poop.

unknown 28:58

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

My brain said dog poop.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

Oh, dog poop.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

I know dog poop.

SPEAKER_03 29:01

Okay, yeah. No, it's brain. You know, you have babies, you know what kind of poop. So I'm like, oh no.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

So yeah, because I was the dog sitter lady, I've I've did I step in dog poop and I brought it into the library. So I'm checking my shoes. There's no poop. And I'm looking around, I'm like, I don't think it was a kid farting. Like, I don't know what this is. So I turn the book over to scan it, and I and I see a literal giant piece of dog shit stuck to this book. And I realized the first two books in the pile had had a giant turd sandwiched in between. Oh my god. I'm like, what the hell is this? Like, where am I? How is a turd here in this library? And then my brain says, April, those are Gus's books. Those came from your house. I was like, what dog is shitting on this book? So you brought the poops on. I did it. He put that in the in the cart. This little boy, I'm looking at this in my brain. And I again, I said I had a six-month-old puppy. That wasn't puppy poop. I'm thinking, I'm thinking. And then I put it together as I'm sitting here looking at poop book.

SPEAKER_03 30:22

Yeah, mortified, but also stuck because like I don't even know where to put this.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

It's just a turd in the middle of the library. And it's huge. Carrie, I know. I realized it was that stinking dog Jax, who loved to eat the cords and had the seizures. She because my child is a total kid. He had left his library book on the floor in the living room. She pooped on it. She didn't poop on she pooped in the house a couple of times, but I was like, this is the size of her turds. She shat on the book. My son goes to put his books away. He sees a turd on a book. He just sticks his other book on top.

unknown 31:01

No.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

Pushes it together. Throws it in his backpack.

SPEAKER_02 31:04

He didn't see it. He didn't smell it. No turd.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

But I'm like, just to level us up the expectation here, I don't think it's because your son is any kind of way, but besides a little boy. I don't I I feel like boys, little boys are just like that. They just they just A to B. That's it. They don't there's no noise. This wasn't a puppy turd that carry.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

This was a significant duck.

SPEAKER_03 31:24

Gotta put No, they don't even see it. I'm telling you. So either way, the sandwich is.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

I just think and then what are the odds, Carrie?

SPEAKER_03 31:33

He was listening to his like he put his books.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Library day, don't you don't you uh make me not have to to scan your books today, buddy? But what are the odds that his was the top book? He was like the last one. The first it was the very first of the so I'm just sitting here holding these books. Like, oh no, it came from my house because I was like, who's the parent I gotta talk to? It's like everything okay. Do I even tell them like what happened? It came from my house.

SPEAKER_03 32:01

Yeah, because also you're trying to not distract from the class and and create this huge talk about for the kids because you know, like once you get one of them talking about it, it just explodes, right? And there's chaos ensues, and nothing gets done. And how do you come back with the turd? I don't know with both so I I don't know. So you're trying to keep it down, you're trying to keep it clean.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Well, I don't know if they had actually come in yet. I think I got there early, but I'm just like what? So the librarian was there, and I said, I'm I'm really, I'm really sorry. Excuse me.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

Excuse me. I have a situation.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

And I don't think that was at all what she was expecting someone to say on library day. No, I don't think anybody ever It was this giant piece of shit on the book, and so I was like, I'm really sorry.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

Sandwiched.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

It was sandwiched. Oh my! I said, I'll take care of it. So I go down to the bathroom and I flush the turd and then I wash the books and I bring them back and and I come in and she goes, Thank you for doing that. And I'm thinking, thank you. Uh this is my dog shit book. Who else is gonna do this?

SPEAKER_04 33:10

Oh, did you did you tell her?

SPEAKER_03 33:13

I don't remember. I would have never been like these these kids.

SPEAKER_02 33:17

I don't know because I didn't ever I wouldn't have cared except for that, you know, my kid you know, got the the book dirty. So she's like, Thank you for doing that. I was like, this is my problem. Like, who else is gonna take care of this?

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Yeah, you're just holding accountability.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

That's the story of the dog poop book where I wasn't embarrassed, I was just like, what the hell's happening? But then the next part is what just drives me crazy because I washed the two books and she's telling me, Thank you, thank you. And because one of the library jobs is you scan it and then you reshelve it, I went to reshelve them, and she's like, Oh no, you we don't please don't do that. And so I took them out, and I realized in the moment they can't go back and gen pop. We have to replace them because they've touched poop. Uh-huh. I didn't think that. And to this day, it drives me crazy that there's times like this is like one of the most recent times of my life where I do something that I'm like, that is the most common sense thing, and I did something so stupid, and I didn't I didn't even understand, and I if I had reshelled the books and walked away, my brain later never would have said, April, ooh, don't do that. Go get them out. And so that's the thing that bugs me. Why does my brain not understand basic things like that?

SPEAKER_03 34:42

I I this is how I feel. I think that when we publish this episode, we need to do our first survey. Because I would love to see who would have shown the book and who would have not. Because here's the thing I'm gonna say. Number one, I think when you're around poop all the time, just you can't throw away everything in your house.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

Poop's everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 35:03

You can't. Nope. You gotta wash it sometimes. You gotta clean it up. People kids pee beds, dogs pee on things, cats pee on things. Yeah, and you just can't replace it all, and sometimes it's a straight-up accident, right? So I think that there's like and you're in baby mode still, like not even baby mode, like small child. Yeah, and not only that, the small child, kids there is shit, like literally, there is shit everywhere all the time in my house still. They're grown or they're like like the potty train to the middle of school. Like, yeah, they're definitely potty training, but I'm still like, how is that crap on or even like just the toothpaste gets crazy? And I'm like, how are we still pee and they miss the toilet? I know the god, yeah, especially when you have a whole gaggle of them over. You're just like there's pee literally everywhere, and it's so you get like accustomed to it and you maybe that's it, sensitized. So I think that's part of it, and also knowing you, you came up from a life sort of like me. Um, I hate to say poverty because it wasn't poverty, but it was you know, no money. I would have done everything I could to A, not play the library if it was my library book, and number two, like just to keep it clean and keep it safe. So, like between the desensitization of like, oh yeah, it's shit happens low constantly all the time, and then conservation of resources. I probably would have done that.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

And your brain, okay, because that's the thing. I'm like, am I am I going through life doing things that I shouldn't be doing? You know, like I'm not always putting poop books up, you know, but I'm like, was that a health crisis? And then COVID happens. We're like, no, dog poop was the least of our problems. Because this was like two or three weeks before COVID. So we're fine. But yeah, that's the thing where so like when I was talking about pulling the beard hair, I wasn't upset that I pulled his beard hair. I was upset that my brain didn't tell me don't do that. And what if I do something worse like the beard hair to somebody else? And this thing too, like thankfully the librarian says, please don't do that. And my brain connected, yeah, then and that won't like took her saying it to be like, oh no, we have to reorder these books. What what if I do something worse? Because my my brain just doesn't think of it. But if you're saying maybe other people because my thing was just like nobody else in America would have tried putting the books back. I'm the only dippy-doo that would have just done it.

SPEAKER_03 37:29

I think that I think it comes down to why do you get embarrassed? Like there's a root there somewhere, right? And I think for me it's about like we said before, finding being out of character and like somebody catching you in that, or just like the judgment part. Like, were you embarrassed because you were worried about someone judging you and thinking you didn't do the right thing? I feel that at the end of the day, all these cool conversations we've had all these years, the biggest takeaway I've ever found with anything where we're judging ourselves or we're reflecting on it. Every frickin' conversation, it comes down to perception, right? So the perception is uh how do you view yourself? Why would you be judging yourself? Why do you like to be or how you know why are you worried about someone judging you all those things? But also, like you said, if this was World War II and someone shit in the library book, would they just like be like, oh, throw them away and replace it? Think about that. No, they'd be scrubbing that book, they'd have their own hacks, always bacon zone and vinegar, and they would be figuring out how to make it f work, or they would replace the the cover, or they would, you know, like yeah, I mean there's all sorts of things because out of necessity comes invention, right? So we're in a place in our life and in time where everything's really throw away, you know. So like you and I grew up in a place where it wasn't like that. So our perception is you conserve the resource.

SPEAKER_02 38:53

That's true, right?

SPEAKER_03 38:55

So I don't know. I you can choose you can choose whether you want to walk away from this and be still be have like any kind of feelings about it or not. But I think anytime you get embarrassed, there's just this part of you that has to like kind of accept what you did. I actually learned this in therapy. Accept, acknowledge, and then with an A. But the two I really live in is accept and acknowledge because I start to accept that it happened, that I did it, like I was embarrassing, and then acknowledge. Okay, well, acknowledge my feelings. Like, why am I feeling like this? Right?

SPEAKER_02 39:28

Admit. That's like acknowledge.

SPEAKER_03 39:31

I think it's okay because it's admit. I'm sure if we Googled it really quick, but it's like you just move on from it and you you either make a plan or you decide what to do. It yeah, I accept.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

I mean, appreciate out of order, but sorry, Google. Does it sound right? Or allow. That's that's what the Google says.

SPEAKER_03 39:50

Well, appreciate's a great one because I can see that one being really like even in my own journey, like appreciating. So sometimes when shit happens, literally, you accept that it happened, you acknowledge, you know, how it affected you, and then you appreciate that even though the shit sandwich happened, oh my god, we laughed about it. We decided that we had the resources to recover and we could like buy a new one. And also, why the hell is Jax shitting on the book?

SPEAKER_02 40:18

And I appreciate that I was library lady that day, and not some other parents, some dude is like, whose book shed in the book?

SPEAKER_03 40:27

I know. Oh my god, can you imagine? Because some people I honestly I think about it now. If it if I was a library lady right now and that happened, I wouldn't even told the library lady. I probably would just handle it, put it back on the shelf.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

Well, I had to leave the room, but also it was funny too, and I thought she'd be like, Where's your bleach when turn?

SPEAKER_03 40:45

You know, because the books aren't made now like they were then. Like books.

SPEAKER_02 40:48

Oh, yeah, these were easily cleanable. That's the thing. I cleaned them up perfectly. So I thought, okay, mischief managed. And she's like, no, we can't put dog poop books back in gen pop.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

So I mean, if it wasn't on the pages, but the the thing is, like, I don't know, like perception, right? Everybody's perception is different, and that's where where like chaos ensues, and that's where like we find that there's good and bad in all it. So when our perceptions match or have are are similar, then we're like, okay, it's cool, everything's good. But then when they don't match, that's when chaos happens. You know, everything comes down to perception, and I think it should happen. It does. So I want to count every time I say that. So when I go to edit, I'm gonna just keep where else do you use that sentence when it's literal and it also is.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

Should happen. So I I sandwiches happened. I do not know what happened to Jackson. This is the sad thing about my dog sitting. So I had people who I knew in real life that I've dog sat for. So that continued, but yeah, COVID happened and nobody was traveling, and so dog sitting was off. And so that that pair of dogs who I watched a lot for like two years, like their people traveled so much, I was like, How do you have all this PTO? Like, amazing. Um, yeah, it just stopped, and then after COVID ended, I never heard from them again. And because I didn't have their number, because it was through Rover, I couldn't say, How are your dogs? blah blah blah. You know, I texted um this one dog named Bo that my children adored. I had him for years.

SPEAKER_03 42:27

And I used to poll me with Bo.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

And so I knew Bo. We hadn't heard from him in a few months, which again, his owner too, she traveled a lot. Well, he was with us like every other month. So I was like checking in on Bo, hoping he was okay. And it's fine if she doesn't want to meet a dog set anymore, but it was more like my kids miss your dog, and she goes, I moved, I moved out of state. And so I'm like, Oh, Bo is gone and we'll never see him again. So we found that out. I'm guessing at this point, Jax and Little Jerry are no longer with us, but it was just interesting. Yeah, because it was a death, it was interesting how COVID just changed so many things that were regular parts of our lives. But that was okay because I did love Jax and Little Jerry, they were fun, and I'm I'm totally cool with special needs dogs. Um, even if she shit on my son's book. At least she shat on something, she didn't poop on the floor. Maybe she thought this is something I can poop on, not just like on the floor.

unknown 43:28

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 43:29

Or literally, she gave no shit.

SPEAKER_02 43:31

She gave all the shits. All of them on the book.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

She gave it so um, so now that we've had this discussion and we've talked about embarrassment, I personally feel like I'm like if I should send someone a middle finger again by mistake and get caught up in that, would I feel the same? Because now I know my embarrassment rides in the idea that someone's like being judgmental to me or Or was it that they could

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Be offended because I don't like offending people. Seriously, no. Because I don't want people to be or sad or to think that you were being because you weren't being aggressive, but them to be like, are you low-key trying to be an asshole to me?

SPEAKER_03 44:13

I didn't do anything to you. I feel like I do apologize for being offensive, but it's never in a way that's like me flipping someone off. Like, not to me that's like silly funny, like, you know. Um, I did have I don't know how to say this in a way that makes sense right now. So I I'm getting divorced, and so um there was this moment where I had said something not like sexy to someone or not even, but like something that could have been like read and then like re-alchemized as something else, and it was not even a big deal. But I had found out after I said that that the person was seeing someone, I was like, hey, whoa, FYI, I don't want to be offensive. I don't really worry about being offensive anymore. I think I used to think with embarrassed. Like, I think that if I really feel like there's a a possibility, it comes down to my um my standards. I would never want someone to accidentally hit on my person knowing that like I was dating them or married to them, right? So I think that like when things go against my values, I'll apologize or feel maybe that's a part of it too, is like I feel embarrassed, like okay. I flipped you off, that's kind of against my values. I was like, unless I knew you, so let me apologize and I'm embarrassed, right? Because you caught me accidentally, because I definitely didn't mean to do that, right? But like saying maybe that is it. Um what was the other thing we just said? It wasn't embarrassment, it was like um I wish I miss my brain every day. I miss my brain.

SPEAKER_02 45:51

But like offending people and stuff. You weren't maybe weren't worrying about offending them, but you were just like that that's not a value thing for me.

SPEAKER_03 46:00

And like this, okay, so I'm fine with offending somebody, but it just has to be based in value. And so an example is that I was talking to a gentleman behind the counter at like um the grocery store, and I was talking to him about soup. It was like not a big deal. But this lady comes up literally, like behind so I'm here, and this lady comes up behind me and sticks a sandwich in front of my face and is like, isn't this lobster $5.99 or something like that. Back. And I was like, Excuse you? Yeah, and like to me that was like you can be offended all you want. Now, also I was really revved up that day, so I but that she like put her place and then I got out of the store because I would have fought somebody, and I I don't get in that place very often. So I was like, listen, I am charged up already. I need to not not be in a situation where I'm beating up people at a grocery store or like getting it.

SPEAKER_02 46:51

That was me recently too. I was at I was with my daughters shopping at this jewelry store for my daughter's birthday, and I was at a display. I was looking at I just walked over to the display and began to inspect these earrings that I thought were cool. And this woman comes up next to me. She's like, excuse me, can I just look at this thing? And I thought, sure, because I thought, oh, she's been shopping, she's gonna grab these earrings and she's gonna go. No, Carrie, that bitch stood in front of the thing for like 10 minutes and just was shopping with her boyfriend. I'm like, I just walked up here, I haven't even looked at the earrings, and I was so mad at Carrie, and I I wanted to say so many things because she was not attractive looking, and I'm like, you have a sad, sad life. I was so I was looking at her, I'm like, you have nothing in your life, so I'm gonna not I'm gonna let you have this one. I'll let me come.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

Right? Is this when you're on the room? But she was so awful. So you were having the best time you were like well, so am I hearing that like when we find ourselves triggered like this, whether it's embarrassment or offensive, it's like literally got everything to do with our values. Because put a freaking lobster in my face one more time, I swear to God, I'll come to you, you know, and like also like why is it so hard to just be human and like be kind? Like, why is it so hard to just understand that other people need to take up space too and think of other people?

SPEAKER_02 48:14

So that was that, yeah. My values were like that's rude. I was I was waiting for her carry because I was like, like you, this is not a day to get in a fight, we're just not doing this, or saying something mean, and I'm like, and I will say mean things to her because I'm really good at it, that will probably haunt her for the rest of her life, and things that aren't kind that talk about her, how she looks and stuff, and and these things, and so I'm like, that's wrong, but she was wrong too, and I need her to be sorry. So I was standing in line, and she had been taking up these other people's times, she was not a cool customer, but um, yeah, I was in line and I thought sh I would not put it past her to come up to one of us in line. There's like four of us and be like, excuse me, and then just get in line in front of them. So I'm like, if she does this.

SPEAKER_03 49:00

This makes me want to test out the power of ask. We've talked about this episode before. And like I think of the ignorant people who are out there just living their lives, doing and getting whatever they want because they're literally just like they just ask and they just go and they do it, right? We've talked about this a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

But you've talked about how ask is helpful and a good thing. You're not being an asshole, you're just asking. Someone's like, Oh, yeah, sure. You can totally have 20% off. Right, but also how much lots of stuff, especially in the Midwest.

SPEAKER_03 49:32

I look at these people, yeah, and I especially look at these people that just like literally like uh at least she asked because I come across the people that don't even ask. I get the people that just like get in my space and then like trigger the shit out of me, right? But where could we take this? How far could we take it? And am I living a crap life because I'm concerned?

SPEAKER_02 49:50

But also it would go against your values, Carrie. So you wouldn't like being the person who's like, excuse me, can I go there? Or shoving a lobster sandwich in front of someone's face.

SPEAKER_03 49:58

Like you you it wasn't even a sandwich, it was a whatever lobster.

SPEAKER_02 50:03

You would not do that because you wouldn't want it to happen to you, and you're like, I I don't do that to people.

SPEAKER_03 50:12

I also wonder, like, I see a lot of this happening more and more, and I'm like, is everybody else just shopping online? And these are the crappy situations I'm seeing, or is this how our culture's changing behind?

SPEAKER_02 50:26

But also, Carrie, just think about so that day I was I was in Austin, Texas. I was shopping on Congress Avenue, which is like a popular shopping.

SPEAKER_03 50:34

We went to so many stores and encountered Is it similar to like when you go to Chicago and you go to the mirror millennial mile or whatever?

SPEAKER_02 50:42

Yeah, only this is small town. It's just like a it's not um grand, but anyways, yeah, it's a whole street with stores. Okay, and so we encountered hundreds of people that day, Carrie, in probably a dozen stores and only one asshole, and all those other people were polite, nice, friendly. The one lady who I bought boots from in a store, she was like, she heard our accent. She's like, Where are you from? And we told her, she goes, Oh my gosh, my best friend lives in your town, and like everybody was super kind and nice. So, I mean, so say of a hundred people, one of them was a total dick. One percent dick. Like, that's that's pretty mild, I feel, so I'll accept it. But yeah, those are the ones that stick out to you, aren't they? Like, I remember that lady. Yeah, I do all remember the nice people too, but I'm not going around telling stories about them because it didn't like infuriate me. It's just like this cool guy.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

Yeah, it's the ones that go against your vo morals, the more or the your values, the more I like look at that, it's the same people in my life that piss me off. It's because they literally go against the values that I hold. And I'm pretty lenient, gal. Like, I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_02 51:53

You don't have like rigid values where you're like nobody steps out of line.

SPEAKER_03 51:57

Yeah, you know, you get to be who you want, just be a good person, and the second you're not a good person and you don't think of oh god, the rage gets just in the system.

SPEAKER_02 52:05

Because it's in your value system comes out of me.

SPEAKER_03 52:09

Now I did read something, like I said, uh because I'm getting divorced. I did read something that said something along the lines of Oh, I'm gonna try to paraphrase the best I can. But basically, you will tolerate it's shit from someone as long as you can until they go against your values. And when I looked at that against my marriage, I realized that that was exactly right. So I think values play I wonder why we don't talk about values. I wonder if we just like guess that you know, because they talk about stuff in church and you talk about it as you're growing up and in middle school.

SPEAKER_02 52:45

But that's more elementary, but like like under the guise of right and wrong. That's different. Values are different because people have different values, so it's it's like maybe a subset of that, but values is broader.

SPEAKER_03 52:59

Yeah, and like I don't think enough we I don't think I've ever had a conversation with any of my friends about values because I think for so much we often assume that we all have the same values because you're you know, because of the right and wrong system, and that is not so you know what's really interesting.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

We're gonna loop around. This is the this is gonna be the end of our episode because it's a full circle, Carrie. So in that classroom where I pulled the beard hair, okay, the teachers were there for a continuing ed class, and one of the activities that the instructor had them do was get together in pairs and talk to them about your pet peeve. So each person, you found a person and you told them my pet peeve is people being late for meetings, or my pet peeve is somebody saying excuse me and get in front of my jewelry display like a total ass. Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 53:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:56

And then he said, Okay, has everyone received the pet peeve? And he's like, You can rant, you can go, I'm giving you like two minutes or whatever to get out your feelings about the pet peeve. And then he said, Okay, now you're gonna synthesize that each person, and you're gonna tell me what the other person's values are based on the pet peeve. So you're not gonna say he hates it when people are late for meetings, you're gonna say he values people's time and punctuality, and that people have respect for other people's schedules. And it was so fascinating. I know, isn't it funny? So it was so interesting to hear that because he's like, see, guys, this is just like when people talk about having disagreements, and you feel like, oh, I I can't get along with that person, we have nothing in common. We all have values, and when you look at the things that make them so angry, and maybe you're not getting along with them, what's the value that you have violated or that maybe other people have violated, and what's really the root of the problem? It isn't that hey, you um left your gate open and your dog got out and he pooped in my yard. I hate dogs pooping in my yard or whatever. It is you disrespect you weren't respectful of my property, and now I have to take time to pick up your dog poop. And so it was just very interesting to I happen to be in the room for something else, but to hear that conversation, I thought, oh my goodness. I loved it, and I loved hearing how people try to describe what was a value because then he turned it, then he said, Okay, you guys have heard each other's values. Do you have those same values? And most people are like, Yeah, I do think it you should be respectful of people's time or this and that. So he's like, see, you guys aren't that different. You might have different pet peeves or things that fire you up, but at the core, we all in general, except for like the lobster lady or the jewelry lady, I don't know what kind of world they live in, but for the most part common values.

SPEAKER_03 56:00

I think that that that's a wonderful way to end the episode, and also it just shows how multifaceted we are as humans because there's just so many layers to all of us, because then we could talk about from that wonderful thing that the the um speaker said, we could go in to say I actually was talking about I had therapy this morning and we were talking about values kind of and like why I felt a certain way about something, and it the more you take it down, the more you just realize everything lives in perception, and so much of the perception we we see and the values and all the things start from when we're kids and they root there, and it's just incredible to watch because you'll hear things in the spiritual world be like we are all the same and also so special, and this is why because we are so special because we have our different ways of the same information and using it, are the the brings yeah, but but at the core we're all the same, and that's why it's so important to take care of each other and be nice to each other. Now you can't always be nice to lobster people, right? And like uh joy, but I can be nice to the other 900 people that I come across, and I think that that's what we need to do. It's not about doing it perfect or being a perfect human, it's just about doing the best we can to continually respect each other's values, right? So good episode. Sorry you were embarrassed or you weren't. I'm glad you were embarrassed.

SPEAKER_02 57:26

Yep, I'm glad I I lived through the the poop lady library story and I I saved other parents for having to uh endure that. But yeah, so maybe we'll have to do a poll. Like, would you have been embarrassed uh putting them books back? Also, people can let us know would you have been embarrassed about the turds? Because I wasn't. I was just like, holy shit. Um next time, Carrie.

SPEAKER_04 57:52

Alright.

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