Patrosky and Matt - A Grounded Episode

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

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SPEAKER_01 0:31

Hello, Kotroski. Hello. Thank you for inviting me uh to ground it. I appreciate it. I want to go a little deeper on your message, and I want to start by reading scripture from John. Okay. So the beginning of John says this in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. So we know this to be Jesus. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made. Without him, nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. So if I think of that in context of your grounded message, you know, although Jesus took upon himself full humanity and lived as a man, he never ceased being fully God. Right. And he knew the plans of the Father and what needed to be done from a God perspective, but had to suffer our sins and that indignity as a man. So I just want to go a little deeper with you and get your thoughts as you yourself had mentioned in the grounded video that you wrestle with that perspective that Jesus had and the feelings that Jesus had. What do you how how do we balance that him being fully God and fully man and what he was going through? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

I mean, first, I I don't want to act like I could speak for God or anything like that, right? We we we know that. Um but that fully human part, I think we can relate with because we're fully human. And so for me, um I just don't think I could have done that simply because of the sacrifice that it would have required, that it did require, um, is just not a sacrifice that as a human, I think um I am prepared to make. I would argue not many are prepared to make that. But then we just we kind of take, thinking about it, we kind of take the easy way out and just think, but he was he was fully God too. So it was that God part of him that that was stronger than that human part of him that made it much easier to do that, you know. But in Hebrews, it says that for the joy set before him. So really, um, you know, we don't know the author of Hebrews, but that author paints a different picture. That it's not that this, the God side of him was stronger than the human, the human side of him, and it took over and kind of led the rest of the way of the cross. It paints a better picture to say that for the joy set before him, um, because he was fully man and fully God, he did know, I believe, he did know um what his sacrifice would mean for us, for you and I and for everyone else. And and I think it's that joy, that meaning, that led him not only to the cross, but allowed him to endure what he did. Um but yeah, that's one of the great mysteries of heaven, uh, of how he could be fully God and fully man. Um, that I that I don't know that we can rationalize ourselves into. Um it really does take a level of faith to to fully see that, yeah. Which goes all the way back to, well, like you read, that in the beginning, you know, was the word and the word was God. And so um it takes faith to wrap our minds around that, I think.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Yeah, and I think uh leading a sinless life as a man, and then being faced with carrying the burden of all of our sins, past, present, future, yeah, and carrying that weight and that burden and being persecuted, beaten, mocked, scorned, um, hung on a cross with that sin uh as a man. Yeah, that's just remarkable what he did for us. And we could never fully grasp that.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

No, no, not at all. Even this the sinless part. Um, that's probably another area where I think, at least for me, you tend to, the temptation is to think that, oh, it was the it was the fully God part that kind of enabled him to be um fully sinless. Um but but to do that, I think you discredit the the fully human part, um, which should give us hope that there is a level of um sanctification that we can reach in Christ through the Holy Spirit uh to live a uh a sinless life to the best of our ability as well. Um yeah, there's a lot to take in in the fact that God was fully man and fully God at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

Yeah, there there really is. And uh I just hope that uh for those who are watching, they can pray on this and meditate on this and think about this uh as we uh move through the season of Easter and look towards the cross on Easter. Yeah. So thanks for this today. It's great. Thank you. Thanks for going deeper. Yeah.