Kris and Matt - A Grounded Episode

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello everyone and welcome. You're listening to the Brick by Brick podcast from Renovation Church, where faith gets built one truth at a time. Each week, you'll hear inspiring sermons from our pastors, deeper dive discussions that unpack the wisdom of God's word, and grounded episodes with stories and encouragement from members of our very own church family. Whether you're new to faith or have been walking with Jesus for years, there's something here for you. So kick back, hit play, and let's build this thing together.

SPEAKER_03 0:30

Hello, Chris.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Hi Matt.

SPEAKER_03 0:32

How are you?

SPEAKER_01 0:32

I'm good. How are you?

SPEAKER_03 0:34

It's very good to see you. Good to this morning. I wanted to follow up on your grounded video and ask you some questions. Okay. All right. It's great. Great. So uh I want to go back to John 19 and read a little to set the context here.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

And I I kind of have a long context with a good question for you. So John 19, then Pilate took Jesus and had him flogged. The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. They clothed him in a purple robe and went up to him again and again, saying, Hail King of the Jews, and they slapped him in his face. But that was um such a great verse for you to bring up and you know what Jesus would have been feeling at that moment. So let's set a little context first.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:32

One of the things that I love about scripture, we know it's the divine and inspired word of God, but it is interwoven with historical context. So we know at this time, 2,000 years ago, that the Roman Empire had conquered many, many places. We know the Romans were in charge allowing the Jews to have their culture and do their thing, but there were some certain you know guardrails around it, right? Right. And when they saw someone who was potentially treasonous or rising up, um they had certain things that they would do, including what they did to Jesus, right? So the historical context meets scripture and the story of our Messiah, right, with his robed in purple, potentially a reed in his hand is a scepter, his crown of thorns, which if you go all the way back to Genesis with Adam and Eve and the original sin, how it says that that thistles and thorns will, you know, hurt them. Like all of all of that comes together here where they were mocking him. Then they made him carry part of the cross. And the Romans were known for hanging people on crosses, going in and out of cities as a reminder that they were in charge.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Yeah, I can't imagine.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

It's amazing. It is amazing. So when you weave the historical context into this, I'm not sure how we could say it, it's not real. Um, and we believe that Christ is the Messiah, so he was fully God and fully man, although we know he separated from God, had to on the cross. What do you think his feelings were at that moment that he's carrying the weight of the world and our sins, and they're mocking him and they're slapping him? You said in your video that when you feel that way, you just want to run away.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 3:54

Describe that a little more like what you feel, and then describe what you think Jesus was feeling.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

I mean, what I feel when I'm in a humiliating situation is again, just like I said, I want to get out of it as quickly as I can, however, I can, and I'm angry and I'm hurt and all the things that go with it. Um and to borrow what Petrovski said last week, I certainly cannot claim to know what Jesus was feeling because I can't. But from what I know about him and I read in scripture, I feel like he probably wasn't feeling any of the anger that I would have been feeling. I feel like sadness would have been a big part of it as he's watching these men so far from him and so filled with hatred, um, forgiveness, which is really hard to even comprehend. And I wondered as I've been thinking about it, if maybe it even didn't solidify a little bit more of like, yeah, this is why I'm going to the cross. I'm going for you guys right here and for these things that you're doing. And that's mind-blowing to me. I can't imagine feeling forgiveness, sadness, yes, but you know, all just these feelings, like his feelings were more about them than they were about him. And I think that's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 5:18

So you just mentioned two things I want to follow up on. Number one, you said you would feel anger, but Christ didn't. Why didn't Christ feel anger in that moment?

SPEAKER_01 5:27

I don't know. I think because his love for us is so much greater. That was his focus, his mission. And I think that's just, you know, he wants so much for us to love him and know his goodness. And I think that just filled him with such sadness. It wasn't about him, it wasn't about him going through these things, and it was part of his father's plan. But um, I think it was just sadness because there's so much love there, and I think that's mind-boggling.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

Which is exactly what Paul says, right in Galatians. The anger is contrary to the fruits of the spirit.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Yeah. Um, but we're so human, that's what we go to. I do. Yeah, speak for me.

SPEAKER_03 6:08

Christ uh exhibited love in that moment and for forgiveness. And I think the the amazing part is what you said about mission. He knew what the mission was. He knew what the father's plan was. Yep. Even though he didn't want to carry it out, um, he knew what the mission was and that he had to see it completed. Absolutely. Even though he was being mocked and scorned and beaten, humiliated. And humiliated. Wow, that's powerful.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

It's so powerful. Yeah, it really is.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

So that avenue is now open to us because of what he did for us.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

He sets an example for us to follow.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

Yeah. Well, as Chris, as we look towards Easter, um, I just hope that um we can we can pray on that and meditate on that.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

Um, and that individuals out there who have not heard that story would would come and dig in.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

For sure, to really just stop and think for a minute of the hugeness of it all and how meaningful it really is.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

Yeah, that's great. Yeah. Thank you for doing this today.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

Thank you.