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Episode Twentyfour - Based On a True Story

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Welcome to Haunted Ozark Theater … H-O-T … your “hot” horror podcast! Is it scarier if it really happened?! We're discussing films based on a true story including, but not limited to, Wolf Creek, Borderland, Fire in the Sky, and the films inspired by Ed and Lorraine Warren.

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SPEAKER_01

Welcome to Haunted Ozark Theater. H O T, your Hot Horror Podcast. We're going to talk to you today about horror based on a true story. So last week we didn't let you know uh what we were gonna be talking about because we didn't know. And so we're surprising you, and I think this is a strong category, and I think we got a lot of good stuff to discuss.

SPEAKER_00

Most definitely.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, this is gonna be awesome. But we gotta do, of course, today in horror history. What do you got? Today in horror history was the release date of uh Scooby-Doo 2 live action. Okay, yeah, Monsters Unleashed. Okay, yeah. Um, and I I wanted to bring this up for a couple reasons. Number one, Netflix is getting ready to do a live action Scooby-Doo series. Oh, really? Yes, and they've they just announced the cast. Who is Shaggy? Is it Matthew? No, no, it's like a they're like they're going way young. It's like a prequel series. Okay. Um, they're going way young. The the they cast all four of the principal um kids. Yeah, the mis the mystery machine gang. Um the the big name is Daphne, is gonna be played by McKenna Grace. Really? That's the big name. Wow. The other three kids, I I don't I didn't recognize their names. I kind of think maybe I recognize their faces, but I didn't really recognize their name. The only other cast member that's been announced is um Walter, Paul Walter Hauser. Who is it?

SPEAKER_00

What's he?

SPEAKER_01

He's been in tons of stuff. You'd recognize his face for sure. They didn't say though what part he's gonna play.

SPEAKER_00

So I don't know if he's gonna be like the voice of Scooby or if he's gonna be the villain of that's what I'm looking forward to the most is you know the weekly new villains or something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So I wanted to bring it up for that reason because it's it's timely right now. But also, um, this fits in nicely with an episode we did in the past about gateway horror. Yeah, yeah. Uh Monsters Unleashed, both of the Scooby-Doo movies, you know, not particularly scary, but perfect for you know that gateway looking exactly.

SPEAKER_00

Both of my daughters watched this when they were really mad to goosebup movies.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, for sure. For sure. So yeah, if you haven't seen Monsters Unleashed, go watch the first one and then and then watch second one.

SPEAKER_00

Do you prefer they're good fun? Which one do you prefer?

SPEAKER_01

Man, if I'm being honest, it's been so long since I've seen them that I I can't in my mind differentiate between the two right now, but I remember enjoying both of them. I believe part two is where they go to the island.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, right? If am I wrong? That makes that sounds right, yeah. And I okay. Yeah, that Mr. Beans in, I think that's like but those are those are good fun.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, they are good fun. Cool. What have you re-watched this past week?

SPEAKER_00

So I am very weird this way. I have seasonal, I think I talked about this this week. I have seasonal war, and this is the perfect spring. Now, you might catch me lying. I hope not, but I believe that this movie they are on spring break, going back to the parents' house. This is 2001's Jeepers Creepers. Oh, yeah. And I have some one and two are they're so good together. Yeah, they are so good together.

SPEAKER_01

Now, they're definitely like leaving school and heading home. Yeah, I couldn't remember if it's summer.

SPEAKER_00

It might be summer break, might be spring break, but yeah. It just feels like a spring movie to me. It's I gotcha. But the uh Justin Long, the dairy and Trish brother and sister chemistry, they're brother and sister to me. And that whole car scene, they yeah, they're perfect in that. And then I remember the first time watching this, and the creeper was so unique. Like, didn't know nothing about him. He's terrified, and now it's just like this is an icon.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and the lore that unfolds surrounding the creeper is really awesome. This whole backstory winning 30 years he can I just remember that it's so many years he has to replace his body parts as they as they wear out. I just remember that part. I mean, but I also like that um Justin Long does a lot of typical bonehead horror movie stuff, and his sister calls him out over and over again. Yeah, like this is exactly what they do in horror movies that go ends up going terribly wrong, you know.

SPEAKER_00

So, and I this kind of ties in with our whole podcast today, which is really neat, and this was unintentional. I just watched this to watch this.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

So um Jeeper's Creepers was actually based off a true story. I found that out from Unsolved Mysteries. Really? And it was about this husband and wife in Pennsylvania, and they're driving home after church, and they see this guy with a body bag tossing it in a well, and they're like, Oh, that's not good. Right. Yeah, so it's based off a true story.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, okay. At least that little bit, yeah, right that kind of opening scene. Yeah, not an actual creepy. Yeah, and we have the uh be eating you license plate hanging here.

SPEAKER_00

Eating you, beating you, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Be eating you. Yeah, not beating you, be eating you, yeah. Uh about you, what'd you watch? Well, I'm gonna shout out my uh two oldest daughters real quick. They went and saw They Will Kill You.

SPEAKER_00

We saw the preview for that, it was entertaining.

SPEAKER_01

And they said it was really well. My younger daughter, my younger of the two older daughters, who is a horror hound, she said it was great. My older daughter, oldest daughter, who um she's not so much a horror person. She said it was not good. But I'm gonna take my younger horror fans work for it, yeah. I think as you I think it's gonna be good. I'm excited to see it. Um, so what I re-watched is gonna lead us directly into our main event here, which is based on a true story. Oh, let's hear it. So um, and it's and it's the true story that Arkansas is is most famous for. It's uh The Town The Dreaded Sundown. Okay, Texas Canada, you know. I rewatched the original. Tell me you watched the new one, please. And based on your recommendation, I watched the new one.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, man, and come give me your honest opinion because you know how I feel about that movie.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, I actually liked it a lot. I liked it a lot. I I I didn't realize that the the well, so I did a little homework on it on this on the new one. They have the same title, right? And the homework that I did, they actually are calling it a meta sequel. Right. Because it is in a lot of ways a remake, but in a lot of ways it's a sequel. And it's takes place, you know, in it acknowledges the first movie, and it takes place in that world. It doesn't necessarily take place in the real world, it takes place in the world in that movie world, yeah. The movie from the first one, yeah, exactly. So that was interesting. I didn't know that it was produced by Blumhouse, right? And I didn't know that Ryan Murphy was involved with it too. I didn't know any of that. Um, I really liked it. They did a great job maintaining like the aesthetic and the feel of the original, right? And um all the actors in it were great. You like the twist at the end? The twist was great. It kind of reminded me of Scream. Yep. With two I've been waiting so long for you to watch this. This is a good day. I watched it. The craziest part was they brought back the trombone killer. So I remember that being one of the weaker moments of the first movie. And then so I was like, no way they're bringing that back, but they did. But to go back to the original, um, from what I've heard, everything they show in the first movie is true except for the trombone.

SPEAKER_00

Right, it is.

SPEAKER_01

Um but here's what I picked up on this time that was new to me, or or maybe I just had didn't realize it before, but really it really stuck out to me this time. There's this whole really out-of-place comedy angle in the first one in the first one. Right, yeah. And it's like even the music plays up the the comedy.

SPEAKER_00

Comedy, yeah, the yeah, almost like a circus.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and so it's it's whenever the cops are on screen, they're depicted as as kind of bumbling cops, and they even play like the bumbling cop music, like Darn, dare, dare, dare.

SPEAKER_00

And then did it throw you off?

SPEAKER_01

It didn't throw me off because it it's I've seen it before, but I just didn't I guess I didn't realize how pronounced the humor was. And it's I guess maybe they were trying to break the tension, you know.

SPEAKER_00

What that?

SPEAKER_01

Because the rest of the movie's pretty hardcore, you know. And like you said, it these things happened. And this really did happen, you know. And in the sequel, they even say like the phantom killer, the the the preacher is like scolding the kids for watching it at the drive-in because real people died, right? You know, so he he was kind of even calling us as the viewers out, you know. How about that? But yeah, it's it's it's neat, and that happened in Tex Arcana, which is three, four hours from here.

SPEAKER_00

And we will be taking a road trip to do a podcast.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we gotta get down there and see it all in person. But that was that was those were my my rewatch and watch that leads us straight into based on a true story because the Phantom Killer really did uh take down, I think, six people, right? Seven people in 1940.

SPEAKER_00

Never caught never caught him. And there's the I'm gonna go into that a little bit later because it's ties into something I'm gonna talk about. So that's good. But that that movie was I'm gonna talk about mine if you if you want to go for it. Um that was directed by Charles P. Pierce.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

And he directed, okay, so that's awesome when he picked that movie. Because I grew up in Arkansas. I grew up in a town called uh Patrick, and it's very woodsy. And I can remember two things being real little that scared me, and that was the older kids telling me about then the town that drew it at sundown and the legend of Boggy Creek.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, Boggy Creek.

SPEAKER_00

Both directed by him. And I we lived out in the woods on the sticks, and don't be going out at night.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_00

Because, you know, yeah, Bigfoot's out there. And that movie had a huge I've I was never scared of Jason, Michael, and all that. I don't know why, but Bigfoot, he if he got me, he was gonna he was gonna hurt me. Yeah, and I remember them playing this movie for me, and I that was the movie I would peek around the corner. Oh, okay. And that kind of because I was a little guy watching that, and it terrified me. Yeah, it terrified me.

SPEAKER_01

And now Bogny Freak Monster is kind of our our de facto mascot mascot. Yeah, um, yeah, Charles B. Pierce um put himself in the town that dreaded sundown. He was spark plugged. Yes, sir. He was he played he played the the comedy part, you know, in his own movie. That was that was pretty funny. I want to ask you one follow-up question, which is do you think that Sackhead Jason borrowed from the town that dreaded Sundown? I I believe it probably did. Yeah, in some way or something. The looks are very similar.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it the only difference is one ult versus two muta.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I definitely thought this had to be the inspiration for the for Sackhead J. Right.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I've always been a fan of Sackhead Jays. And that killer and the and both of them are really good.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. They're really good.

SPEAKER_00

They're creepy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's a good look. It is. And we've talked about that before that that we love that look. It's only replaced by the hockey mask. You know, like if they would if they the hockey mask was definitely a step up, but if they never would have gone with the hockey mask and just would have had Sackhead Jason, I think Jason still would have been I think it would have been cool if you could have seen that sack like progress on getting worse throughout this area major.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, that would have been so cool.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Well, what do you what else you got on your list of based on a true story?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I wanted to the very first thing doing my research. Do you know what it was? It's um what year was this? 18, wait, 1910. It's the execution of Mary, Queen of Scots.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00

And it's one of the first ever to depict a real historical event. Shows the execution of Mary, Queen of Scots, yeah, in 1587. And it is famous for one of the earliest special effects for cut etic tricks. Okay. Now I couldn't find any clips of it. But just due to my research, that's pretty damn long ago. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So that's well, and as we've mentioned before, you know, as as old as cinema is, horror has been there the whole time. Right. And I I'm familiar with the story of Mary a Queen of Scots, but I didn't realize that they had made a movie out of it and that it was classified as a as a horror.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_01

But that makes sense. It's kind of a gothic thriller setting, you know, historical fiction kind of thing. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's cool. So going all the way there, and let's jump to the 60s. And I think this is probably one that really shaped horror, helped everything, and it's based on true story. And we've all seen it, and that's 1960s Psycho.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And we all know the story of that. We won't get too much into it, you know, Ed Gean.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we don't have to do a deep dive on Ed Gean because we've done a whole episode.

SPEAKER_00

And he inspired so many of these four movies we're going to talk about.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah, Psycho, uh Texas Chainsaw, and Silence the Legends are the big three that are based on the true story of Ed Gean.

SPEAKER_00

Do you think that really helped? Hey, we can pull more ideas from real life. Do you think a lot of people after that are like, real life's a lot more scary than the things we're going to start making up? The wolf man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I think I remember when we did the Ed Gean episode, I just remember talking specifically about psycho shifted it away from mythical monsters and onto man as the monster. Right. And anytime it's based on a true story, it that means it could happen to you. And that's what's going on. And that makes it way more scary. Right. Yeah. For sure. Okay. What do you got outside of the Ed Geen realm?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, okay. You're gonna tell me if this is whore in my mind, it is because it a lot of these I talk about really did terrify me as a kid. This came out in 1993 based on a huge big true story. I've hopefully you've seen Fire in the Sky. It's on my list. And that adduction scene where they got him wrapped up. I slept with the lights on, Paul.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Well, I would not necessarily classify Fire in the Sky as a horror movie. However, it is scary. It is. And I have it on my list, and I will just tell you my quick story about it. When I was a young teenager, I got onto a UFO kit. And I was like renting this was when that alien autopsy video was out. Yeah, I remember that. And I was renting like VHS VHS tapes about like Roswell and stuff. I was really into it. And I X-Finals. The same buddy that I've talked about on the podcast before, the one that we watched American Werewolf in London together, and we watched all the slepaway camp movies together. That same buddy, um, he rented it and he invited me over because he knew I was into UFO stuff at that time. And I remember being pleasantly surprised by how scary it was. It's really well done if you all haven't seen it. It's it's gotta be the most terrifying quote unquote realistic depiction of an alien abduction and and possibly the experiments that they do to you once they got you.

SPEAKER_00

No, I did do my research and I watched a lot. I don't like Travis um something is his name. The real guy. Yeah, the real guy that it happened to. Yeah, he said that that part never happened to him. That was Hollywood eyes. Oh that wrapping up and the eye thing. Yeah, he said that that part never happened. They made that just to really get you. So that made me feel better after he. But no, this movie, it it terrified me. I remember like, am I gonna get sucked up by aliens?

SPEAKER_01

No, I agree. It's a very scary movie. And again, it's maybe not properly a horror movie, but that doesn't stop it from being genuinely scary. Right. Yeah, it's good. And it's on my list. It's on your list. I want to find one that's not on your list, so do you want to go and then I go? Yeah, let me go uh real quick. I got a couple that I'll be surprised are on your list, and I'll just I'll I'll name them in succession here, real quick. Um, and these are these were scary movies, and they're newer. One is The Girl Next Door. Yeah. Have you seen that? Yes, and the other one is Compliance. Which one's compliance? So, just for the audience, real quick, the girl next door is based on a true story about a lady who babysat kids in her neighborhood, and she convinced all the kids that she was babysitting to torture and kill one of the other kids that she was babysitting. It was this girl who was kind of the black sheep of the neighborhood, and and everybody picked on her, and the babysitter encouraged them to keep picking on her until they killed her. And this happened, guys. This really happened. I think it happened in the 60s, but the movie came out in the early 2000s. Right. And it's hard to watch. It is, it is hard to watch. Compliance is um this one came out maybe 10 years ago, and this is a true story of a guy who called like a McDonald's and said that he was a police officer over the phone. He wasn't, he was just some guy.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, and he makes her do all like take the clothes off.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so he got one female McDonald's employee to basically strip search the other McDonald's employees. Do all this crazy stuff, and it's really what it is, is it's like, how far are you willing to go when you think that you are being directed by an authority figure?

SPEAKER_00

And this person went all the way with this person.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know if she had any doubts, but she followed through. And it all ended up being a hoax, you know.

SPEAKER_00

The guy on the phone was not I remember like the cops that were like, why did you do this? Well, we thought you guys were telling us to do that. Right, right. So those are two. I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, those are two that were um disturbing and hard, hard to watch, really, both of them. Now that's they're both really well done movies, good movies. Movies that I'm glad I've seen, but probably not movies that I'm enjoying watching. Yeah, you're not gonna watch them over and over again unless maybe you're the guy on the phone.

SPEAKER_00

So I do not recommend that.

SPEAKER_01

Those are the two that I thought maybe you wouldn't have on your list. Okay, nice.

SPEAKER_00

I've got these two, I don't think you'll have on your list. Okay, but not there is one that you definitely will, I'm sure of. Um, I'm gonna butcher this name always do this movie. It's it's the found footage. It's not you could say it's the Poughkeepsie tapes. Oh, the Poughkeepsie tapes. Poughkeepsie tapes. Have you seen it? Yes, I have. Okay. I mean, I really dig this movie super creepy in all the right ways. And of course, I to me it was more like based off the BTK killers, yeah, in a sense.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And my my son Preston, this is one of his favorites. No joke. He loves this. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

A lot of people you either really like it or you really don't. It's just too creepy. Yeah. And it is super creepy. It's very, very much. It's got that found footage, and it's it's just based off a lot of real life serial killers.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and I like this feels like it did happen. Yeah. I think that's I don't I think more than being based off of a particular case, it's it's definitely like a whole like just like all the cases kind of mashed together.

SPEAKER_00

But I really felt like that BTK, like the dressing up. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And there's there is that other film, the Clove Hitch Killer.

SPEAKER_00

Killer just directly on Netflix, super good. Inspired by Dennis Rader. Excellent movie.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_00

Uh Dylan McDermott plays stuff all the great yeah. I think so, yeah. And this one, it's a great outback movie based on true story. I think I know what you're gonna say. Wolf Creek. Wolf Creek, that's on my list. Inspired by the killer. Ivan Mike Mylet. Known for its realistic torture and isolation horror. And I even like the sequel, which I don't say a lot. I have not seen the sequel. I think you would like it.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. But yeah, Wolf Creek, uh, again, for those that don't know, this is this is a real thing that happened in Australia. Um, this guy picked up hitchhikers and he killed like two dozen hitchhikers over the course of however many years. Yeah. And it was brutal. Badass. Brutal. But yep, that's on my list. Okay. That's on my list, buddy. I'll shout out one that again we won't get into because we talked about it already with Haynes Whitmore. When we did a uh interview with Haynes Whitmore, my rewatch was The Serpent and the Rainbow.

SPEAKER_00

Good movie. Doo-doo.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And we talked a little bit with Haynes about how that one is based on a true story. So I just wanted to throw that out there. Here's one that y'all might not know was based on true story, but maybe you do. Jaws. Uh about a little boy, right? Well, Jaws is based on the book Jaws. But it's inspired by but it's inspired by a guy named Frank Mundus. Now, Frank Mundus becomes the Quint character, Captain Quint. Okay. In Jaws. But Frank Mundus was a real uh charter boat captain out of Montauk, New York. He got bit in an ass. No, he didn't. He he he died peacefully in Hawaii after retiring from his charter boat business. But basically, he was a shark hunter. And you could pay him to take you out on a shark hunt. Cool. And people did. People in the 60s and 70s would go to Montauk, New York, they'd find Frank Mundus, and they'd charter his boat, and he'd take you out, and you would catch a great white shark with this guy. No joke. And he got actually in a lot of trouble for the cruelty to animals aspect of it. And uh later in life, he actually became a shark conservationist. Did he? Yeah, he flipped. Yeah, he flipped it. But like three of the biggest great white sharks ever caught in the history of the world.

SPEAKER_00

He he caught them. And that that is crazy. That it can live. And that's funny you say that because Jaws takes place where?

SPEAKER_01

Um Amity.

SPEAKER_00

And not even be talking about Amity in the area.

SPEAKER_01

Amity Island. That's cool. Um, but yeah, so he he um would usually catch him with a harpoon, but he actually is in like the Guinness Book of World Records for catching one with a rod and reel. He caught a like a 3,000-pound great white truck with a rod and reel. So the book is based off of this dude? The book is like a like a fictionalized account of this guy.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

And then the movie is like a loose adaption of the book. So it's kind of like the movie is kind of like twice removed from the actual guy. I always thought that was just Steven Spielberg's idea. No, okay. No, that this is actually one of those based on a true story kind of thing. Okay. The other one that I'll throw in real quick, just because it's in the same kind of category, is the birds. I didn't that's based off a true story. It is, it is, and I knew about this just because um, and I think I've told you before, my wife and I are big birds fans. When we were just dating, we went and saw birds at one of those old throwback cinema events. And then we were living in California at the time, and we actually went to Half Moon Bay, and they have a little birds museum there, and you can visit you know the actual locations. You can go in the actual phone booth where she eats trapped. Really? Go in the actual Tides Cafe and the whole linear. So we've we're we've been there and and we're big birds fans. But what this what this was inspired by, and um Hitchcock got his hands on an article. There's a beach town, it wasn't Half Moon Bay, but it's further south on the California coast. But there was a beachside town where one morning um the the residents of this town woke up, and there was like tens of thousands of dead birds just as far as the eye could see, like littering the streets, like this. No reason, no explanation, no nothing. That's crazy. It was just one of these things where phenomenon. It was, yeah, a weird phenomenon where like tens of thousands of birds all just died simultaneously in this one town, and they had this you know, mass of dead bird bodies piling up, covering up the town. And so Hitchcock got his hands on this article, which really happened, and they never did figure out what killed them, what killed all these birds. But he he used that article, which really did happen, as the scene to write the script for the birds.

SPEAKER_00

That's crazy because that's actually happened here in Arkansas once. It was maybe 10 years ago, but it was a huge deal. It made the news thousands of birds, and people like, well, it was close to 4th of July, so maybe they got hit by fireworks, but people are like, There's like 5,000 dead birds here just fell everywhere. Yeah, wondering.

SPEAKER_01

So, I mean, I guess this happens periodically.

SPEAKER_00

I don't think that's cool that Hitchcock could take that story and turn it into the birds that we know and love. Yeah, how how cool is that one?

SPEAKER_01

It is, and it's that's a terrifying film. I mean, the the yeah, the effects, you know, obviously are dated at this point, but the the concept is that's scary. Right. And again, that's like, man, that could really happen to me. Like, that makes it more scary. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

There was a made for TV horror movie, sci-fi, and it had a um Sean Patrick Flannery. Okay, it's called uh Crow or Craw or something like that, but it's uh instead of birds, it's like these crows, and they're it's the same plot, but it's fun little movie.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, young Indiana Jones. Yeah, he plays the sheriff.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, um one that we've never talked about, and I a lot of people diss this movie. I really liked it. It's the house that Jack built, and you know that's based off of multiple real killers, it's extremely graphic, psychological, and it's more really art horror than anything grounded in reality. Yeah, but I I've really dug that movie, and I was I mean, I could see this happening in all the.

SPEAKER_01

I didn't realize that that was kind of like the Poughkeepsie tapes, like based on multiple things kind of mashed together. Right. Okay, yeah, okay, cool. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good film if you haven't seen that for sure. Uh I got a couple more on my list before I want to get into kind of a lump that I want to group all together.

SPEAKER_00

But uh, how about the strangers? I uh I know they I remember watching this in the theater, and I believe if I'm not wrong, at the very first, it does say this is based off of true events or something.

SPEAKER_01

I think it's like inspired by true events, and the events are the Manson family. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's it's the strangers is supposed to be basically what happened to Sharon Tate and her parents.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, I could see that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's it's uh once you put those, once you connect those dots, it makes a lot more sense. Yeah, you can really know that. And then uh this one is this one's brutal, and I'm sure you've seen it. Borderland. Yes, love borderland. Man, what year did that come out? Like 07, 08, something like that. Is that that old? Maybe it was late, the late aughts. That's a great movie. That's a good one, and that's we need to talk about that more. Yes. That movie is hardcore. Tell people about it, Paul. And well, it's about uh the Mexican drug cartels. Uh well, they might not be Mexican, they might be South American drug cartels, but the film takes place in Mexico, yeah. And these cartels were basically kidnapping Americans and ritualistically sacrificing them to bless their drug ships. Yeah, and this happened, and this really happened and maybe still be happening. Yeah, this is you know, well, I mean, we all know about the cartel cartels down that way, and um, this is something that that's something that they did.

SPEAKER_00

Watch this movie before you go to Mexico, guys. Yeah, change your mind. Yeah, if you have any plans of going to Mexico, watch this first movie and be prepared. Right. Well, speaking of real digital can't speak um killings like that. Uh this ties back into the town that dreaded sundown because there is a huge conspiracy that this is one and the same killer. And this is one of my all-time favorite whores, and it's the Sodiac 2007.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And it has done so good. That I don't know if it's so much horror, but well, it is horror because this these people died, but it's more of suspense and that thrill. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I would I I thought about putting this on my list.

SPEAKER_00

What what was happening?

SPEAKER_01

That it's not really horror. The film itself is is it's more of like a crime thriller. True crime, true crime, yeah. Um, but A, it's a fantastic movie, it's so well done. And B, uh uh as you were just starting to say, you know, this this really happened, and this was in my neck of the woods where I grew up. This is this was uh the the lake where the real zodiac killer killed multiple victims, is called Lake Beriesa. And my family and I used to go boating on that lake. So this was a big deal. So this was like in my backyard. Wow. So this one really does have a place in my mind, you know. Um and another one that never got caught. He never was caught.

SPEAKER_00

And I don't know if you've heard about this, but there is a huge, I mean, a lot of people think that the moonlight, the phantom killer is a young zodiac, the heat got a little too hot, and he could. I mean, the timeline matches up perfect. They both wore that sack mask, the way he killed Lovers Lane, couples, and people like he was a young man, maybe military, and then and then older when he pulled off the zodiac. He would have been, yeah, maybe 3540 when he in when in the 60s in California.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's I mean, that's not out of the realm of possibility. So to connect those two, who knows? Their demo is similar for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, but that's a great, great film, if y'all haven't seen it. Um, but yeah, more in the lines of like you said, true crime.

SPEAKER_00

What about this one? This is 1986, and I really love this movie. Uh Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Great movie. That is a good movie, and it's got our boy from um Merle, Walking Dead. Why is his name?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, Michael Roker.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I love him in this. Yeah, it's it's good, creeping film, man. He that's probably his breakout role, right? That was like the one that put him on the map. And it's based off of serial killer. He uh Henry uh Lee Lucas. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So now uh there's a big lump of stuff I want to get into. You let's clear your board real quick because of anything else. What do you got? I'm I'm good. Go. Okay. Well, you you didn't bring up any of the Cropsi stuff? Oh no, I didn't. You're a big Cropsy fan. Yeah, I'm sure didn't. Tell tell the audience about the two movies based on Cropsy.

SPEAKER_00

The Burning. Yeah. And then the documentary is the one you're talking about, right?

SPEAKER_01

Well, what's the other one that's um The Burning is is the one The number one of the one. I've seen that one, but there's another one that you were telling me about that I hadn't seen. And it's or I did watch it though after you told me about it. It was um like Mr. Something. Oh man. The okay, I'm gonna have to look it up. Yeah, now you're driving me crazy. Yeah, no, you told me about it, and it's the other movie that's based on the Cropsy guy, and it's um yeah, I'll have to look it up. Mr. He had it, it's like two words. It's like Mr. Mr. Something, or I can't remember now, but yeah. Oh, you're killing you, you told me about it.

SPEAKER_00

Oh man, I went and watched it. The main one I I know they have an awesome documentary on Prime about it. Okay, it gets into it in the lore and about that kid and the kids that got killed.

SPEAKER_01

Funny enough is um I was watching uh because I'm an old school gin excerpt, I was watching a thing about the Wu-Tang clan one time, and they because they're from Staten Island. Okay, and they said that like how you were talking about earlier, hey, don't go outside in the woods. The the either the Phantom Killer's gonna get you or the Boggy Creek mouth monster is gonna get you in Staten Island. Those Cropsy those Wu-Tang kids, if they went outside, their parents was like, Cropsi's gonna get you.

unknown

Right?

SPEAKER_01

Cropsi's gonna get you.

SPEAKER_00

Every state's got this.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, everybody's got it. Everybody's got it. Okay, so um big lump of uh based on true story films, all coming from the same people. This has probably gotta this has gotta be the biggest crop of based on a true story films that come from one source. Okay, and it's Ed and Lorraine Warren. And just if y'all the conjuring films don't know, yeah. Ed and Lorraine Warren were uh paranormal investigators in the 70s, and they did a bunch of uh investigations into real life paranormal occurrences, and um they'll I'm gonna leave one because I know you want to talk about it, so I'm gonna leave it till the end. But they're responsible for uh the haunting in Connecticut, yeah. They're responsible for all four conjuring movies, and they're responsible for Annabelle, which kind of branched out of the conjuring movies. But the Annabelle story was its own story in the Ed and Lorraine Warren tales, it was separate from the Conjuring um stories, but they kind of mashed them together in that one Conjuring, but then I think it was two, Conjuring Two starts with the Annabelle thing, but then Annabelle got her own movie, right? Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00

Now to interrupt you, yeah, Madman Mars. Yes, that's it. That was it. That's it. That's it. Sorry, that was bugging me and it came from it.

SPEAKER_01

So you you recommended that I watch Madman Mars when we were talking about Crop C now. I will say that um The Burning is a better film than Madman Mars, but Madman Mars is a hoot, it's it's got a special place in models. It's a fun, like can't be 80s kind of thing, early 80s. Okay, so how do you want to get into this? So um, yeah, so Haunting in Connecticut, four conjuring films, uh, the Annabelle film, and I guess the nun technically spun out of those two, but that was not, I don't think, based on an Ed and Lorraine Warren, it's based off of just the characters from their movies. Yes, yeah. But the the real crown jewel in the Ed and Lorand Warren story is the Anneville horror.

SPEAKER_00

And when you see, you you want to think, I think you want to talk about their movie. I want to talk about the original 70s. No, I want to talk. That's the one. Okay, good. Because that okay, me and you are gonna have a little debate here because you do you want to get into the one you think's the scariest out of these? Out of all the Ed Lorraine Warren ones? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, it's Amityville horror for sure. It's the scariest right.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You think more than the Warren House? You you're talking about the first conjuring? Yes. The first conjuring is a is a masterclass scary movie and a horror dude. And I remember watching The Conjuring and saying the Haunted House film is back. Yeah, and that was the first haunted house film that it scared me.

SPEAKER_00

Remember that title screen after everything that happened, boom, because they show Annabelle at the first and with the crowds, and you're just like, holy cra, this in uh that whole this is real. Yeah, this like who and at that time we didn't know who Ed and Lorraine Warren were. At least I didn't.

SPEAKER_01

But I would still say '76 is that when Amityville Correr came out. Yep. That's that's that takes the cake. Yeah. Uh in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00

I I'd I'd say so.

SPEAKER_01

I remember watching that as a young person.

SPEAKER_00

I was probably seven or eight, maybe Josh Brolin's dad. Yeah, James Brolin. Yeah, he does great in that, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_01

He's so good in that. And I've heard that he was like kind of anti-horror. Yeah. And that he needed a paycheck. That yeah, he wasn't really all in on it. Yeah, I heard it. But somehow, still turned in a heck of a performance. I mean, I guess he's that good of an actor that even when he's not all in, he still was really good.

SPEAKER_00

Just a quick yes or no, don't get into it. Okay. Remake of it. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01

No, I did not. Okay. That's all I needed. I did not appreciate the remake. No Ryan Reynolds for you. Okay. I did not appreciate the remake. It was I I I was already when I saw it, I was already like, this is not needed. Nobody asked for this. And then I watched it anyway, and I was like, yeah, that was I totally agree with you. 100%. Um not needed. Just say that super superfluous. Yeah. Okay. No, no good. No bueno for me. So but the original kid, Lord. I mean, that was one of those ones where um get out. I I remember so I was going back to I was just gonna say when I saw it at as maybe a seven or eight-year-old kid. I remember um thinking that maybe I was actually watching a documentary. Like this is like this is that had to be terrifying. Yeah, I I wasn't even sure as a kid that I was watching like a Hollywood movie. I was thinking that I was maybe watching one of those like ghost investigations. This is really helping me. Yeah, I really was like, this is it, it's real in my mind as I was watching it. And even now, when you watch it, it's still great.

SPEAKER_00

It's it's very realistically portrayed. It is, and but there's one thing that's ruined this movie for me, and that's scary movie too. Yeah, with the three with the flies that I can't every time I see the flies now, I think it's scary movie too. So it proved it for me. No, that that's a truly terrifying movie. Um and they swear there's a lot of people who say it happened. A lot of people say uh def uh what's his DeFrank um the young the son who killed him, because he swears he was he heard these voices, and there's a lot of stories you can get into this.

SPEAKER_01

And well, and all of the Ed and Lorraine Warren stuff is there's just as many people who swear it's true as there are people who swear that it's not true. That's a very good point.

SPEAKER_00

That's very true.

SPEAKER_01

So there's a lot of evidence on either side when it comes to all the Ed and Lorraine Warren stuff, and I think that's part of what makes it so interesting. Um and let's just take a moment and say we're not claiming that any of this stuff really did happen. We're just saying that these movies were based on not saying it didn't happen something that people say was a true event, you know. Um, but yeah, I mean this is that's the other part that makes these movies fun. Right, you know, is you get to sit around after you watch them and debate did this really happen?

SPEAKER_00

Well, but that's that's the terrifying part because with a Michael adjacent with our slasher guy, we can turn that off and go, wow, that you know, but you turn off that. Is that gonna happen in our house? And there's no stopping that. Right, and we're gonna supernatural.

SPEAKER_01

You're gonna have these discussions where you may think there's no way that happened, and your friend is totally convinced that it did, and y'all are gonna have to- I knew someone who knew them. Yeah, you're gonna have a bar stool argument over it. That's awesome, though. And that's that's the beauty of that's the other facet of these movies that make them super fun, is the conversation like never ends. When you you'll always find someone who swears it's real, and you'll always find someone who swears that it's not.

SPEAKER_00

I want to believe it happened. I think it makes it a lot more fun. I I hate that I shouldn't say it like that, like people die, you know. That that's horrible. But on that horror, the movie part, I mean, that's that's creepy, dude. Yeah, it's creepy, makes very great horror movies.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. That was um that was, I would say those two, or or not those two. I'm thinking in my mind, and I haven't said out loud what I'm thinking of, poltergeist. Um, poltergeist and Animeville Horror, for my money, those were the two scary haunted house movies when I was a kid. And I don't think, as I mentioned earlier, I don't think anything approached either of those movies until we got the conjuring. As far as the haunted house movie goes.

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Not

SPEAKER_01

That Poltergeist is based on a real story. I'm just saying that okay.

SPEAKER_00

No, I was gonna say, and I know you're gonna talk about this movie because I'm wanna I'm gonna bring up my alt-time real life or based off real life, and I know you are too.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So do you want to go ahead and say because I technically it's a haunted house movie, and that no, it's a possession movie.

SPEAKER_01

The person is possessed, not the house. Okay. Yeah, you're right. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00

Those are in my mind, those are two different kinds of So Haunted House movie, you are going Amityville or Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um, I I would my my top three haunted house movies are Amityville, Poltergeist, and the Conjuring. Okay, and Poltergeist doesn't fit into the based on true story narrative that we're talking about here, but I just lumped those three together because those are like the big three in my lifetime. Yeah, you know, absolutely and Amityville and Poltergeist were the big two of my childhood, and Conjuring was the first one, probably in you know, 20 or 30 years, where I was like, wow, that was that was a legitimately scary haunted house movie, right? But what we're leading up to is the scariest movie ever based on a true story, and it's I think mine beat yours.

SPEAKER_00

It's a possession movie, and it's it's the exorcist. But they never in this movie claim that this is based on you never get that, like you do with every other like Texas Chainsaw Massacre and all these.

SPEAKER_01

It's an adaption of a book, and the book vehemently claims based off of that belief that it was a true story, yeah. That is a true story.

SPEAKER_00

So my counter-argue, the scariest based on real life Blair Lutch project. Okay, okay, dude, that movie shaped me 1999 summer, the uh marketing for that, how everybody and their grandmother knew that that happened. You couldn't find the actors anywhere, the clippets they were putting out, the documentary.

SPEAKER_01

Now, did they claim that it was a true story, or did the meet did the the public just run with the idea that it was a true story?

SPEAKER_00

Well, it says in the beginning, like this was the found footage. This is from what from what the cops found in 1994. So it it says this is the footage. It sets it up like that.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

I don't I don't remember it setting it up like that, but I I do remember like the kind of hysteria around Yeah, they had an FBI page on their like you could get on back to the World Wide Web and see the missing people.

SPEAKER_01

Some of the earliest kind of viral marketing, and I did research on that.

SPEAKER_00

They paid those actors not to do nothing and laid low. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

So people weren't like, hey, you were you're supposed to be dead. Okay. And let's connect a couple of dots here, real quick. Let's do it. One of the killers in the Town The Dreaded Sundown 2014 was in Blair Witch Project.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, he was the same actor. Yes, the long-haired dude. Yeah. Yeah, same actor. Nice, good job, dude. Um, okay. No, he's dead, Paul.

SPEAKER_01

Blair Witch Project is legitimately scary. Um, and it's kind of like Texas Chainsaw in that it really doesn't show you anything.

SPEAKER_00

You don't see any blur, it's all your imagination.

SPEAKER_01

It's all your imagination, and and we've talked about how effective that is and powerful.

SPEAKER_00

Um I'm not saying the Exorcist is not one of the most terrifying movies ever. No, I think I'm just saying based off a true life, yeah. I think Exorcist takes the cake on that out of all of them.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, because I my feeling is that even if they said that Blair Witch Project is based on a true story, I feel like that was more of a plot device than it was a real, you know. Um but at the same time, I very clearly remember the hysteria around the movie. Did you think it was true? No, I didn't. If I'm being honest, I didn't, but I knew of people who did. Yeah, I I I remember the talk that this is not only not only um did this really happen, but this is actual footage of it happening that you're actually seeing, and it blew my mind as a kid. Yeah, people thought at that time, and I knew people who thought this way, and there were news reports about people who thought this way. Not only was it supposedly based on a true story, but this was the actual footage. Like we were watching the actual footage of Shuffle. Right. Now, of course, it's all been this really has been dispelled since then.

SPEAKER_00

So we know for a fact now that this wasn't actually but man, these the uh tip my hat to these guys, they made that movie for nothing, and what it made unbelievable. I think that and we didn't even talk about what spanned from that the um the ghost films, the um about the lady in the house in recording. The paranormal what you know that's from Blair Witch.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah, oh yeah. I mean found footage was around before Blair Witch, but Blair Witch like uh jump started the found footage thing that's still going to this day. I mean, uh paranormal activity was probably kind of like the second trimmer in that. Um, but really from 99 on, found footage has been here to stay. Whether it's VHS or Record or whatever franchise you want to talk about, all of those is from Trail Witch right back to Blur Witch. Yeah, 100%. 100% Exorcist though is so terrifying. Why is it terrifying, Paul? I think because it's talking about like spiritual things and fourth dimensional things.

SPEAKER_00

Is it scary even if you're not religious?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, I think so. Okay, I think so because they did such a good job with just practical effects, and there's also all the lore about that the actual filming was cursed. Yeah, there's a lot. And uh, you know, I think even people who aren't religious, I think still feel like possession is a thing, a thing. Yeah. I I mean I I think so. I think there's people who don't necessarily believe in in a god, but believe that possession is well I I would think just me.

SPEAKER_00

This is just me. Yeah, if you actually seen this, you'd be on there as a god and a dumb after that, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, this is how much should Exorcist change everything?

SPEAKER_01

Um because it didn't it win an academy? I don't know. That's a good I thought for sound or something. It probably was nominated if it didn't win.

SPEAKER_00

But um it was just it was just one of those things they had lightning in a bottle with that movie. That's absolutely but they they somehow just captured fear on film, and how many people have tried to duplicate that and you can't, you can't, you cannot cut you can't do it. Even the sequels you can't three's the best coming explicit to me. Yeah, three is a great movie, two is can I come up to can go the way. But three is great. Uh but there is just something, there's so much subliminal messaging in that movie, and the little quick boom-boom, you you bleak and you miss it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And this was one of the movies I didn't want to watch for the longest time. And my sister was like, I think I was 16, 17 before I sat down by myself and watched her. And she's like, It'll change it. Like, you're this is that kind of horror code. And I was like, Really? Because I was just into the slashers, and I remember like, okay, Saturday night, parents are gone. I got it on VHS, and I was like, I'm spooked.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like I the item.

SPEAKER_01

This is one of the ones that you'll leave the light on after you watch it. And it makes you think. You'll have a hard time going to sleep after you watch it. This is one of those movies, and it's it's just truly, truly terrible.

SPEAKER_00

A little trivia. You probably know this, the listeners, maybe not. There is a real life serial killer in the Exorcist movie. Yeah. The doctor who works on little um Reagan. Reagan. Yeah. He turned out to kill him.

SPEAKER_01

Used to inject people. Yeah, about that. He was a Dr. Kavorkian kind of a guy. Dude, what about Linda Blair? How did they, how did she do that? I have no idea. It's almost like she was possessed herself, you know.

SPEAKER_00

I just keep I've I've got young daughters. I don't know if I could uh sweetie, you're gonna be in this movie. Let me read the script. Yeah, you're gonna do what with a crucifix? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Seriously.

SPEAKER_00

Wow.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, um, she somehow did what very few actors can do, which is you know, wholly embody that character. And she's never like 11 at the time or something. I mean, that's totally insane.

SPEAKER_00

And why she didn't win anything blows my mind.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but I mean, everybody knows that that's an all-time performance.

SPEAKER_00

Is The Exorcist the greatest horror movie of all time?

SPEAKER_01

In my opinion, it's the scariest. It's top three. It's gotta be. It's gotta be. I mean, I don't know if it's the greatest, but I think You think it's the scariest. You're gonna say that. I'm gonna say it's the scariest movie. Above Texas? Yeah. For my money. It's the scariest movie I've ever seen, for sure. For sure. Wow, I've never heard you say that. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. Exorcist, in my mind, is the scariest movie I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00

So what holds a special place in your horror heart?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay. I mean, I I've mentioned this before on the podcast. I think this was the first horror movie I ever saw. And I was like three or four.

SPEAKER_00

I thought Aliens was.

SPEAKER_01

No, no, no, no, no, no. Um, the first, I don't I I don't really remember the order exactly. The first three horror movies that I know I saw was American Werewolf in London, the original alien, and the Exorcist. Dude, if you've seen I'm pretty sure that The Exorcist was the one I saw first, but I had no idea what I was watching.

SPEAKER_00

If you watched Exorcist at three, it explains so much about you, Paul. And I know your mother personally, and I can't see your mom.

SPEAKER_01

Well, my dad is my dad did a lot of this stuff without my mom's nod. I am I am I'm like 75% certain that The Exorcist was the first horror movie I ever saw. And so like you were lagging. I was like three or four years old. You didn't really and I don't, I don't, yeah, I had no idea what was going on, other than like head spinning, done up. I remember the throw-up. Yeah, that's what I really remembered the top and beard is the throw-up flying across the room, you know. And I remember it like asking my dad, um, you know, is that even possible? And my dad's telling me about projectile vomiting. Yeah, like and my dad's telling me how they used pea soup in the film, you know. And so like I remember things like that. Now how old were you when you watched it?

SPEAKER_00

Watched it.

SPEAKER_01

Probably like 12 or 13.

SPEAKER_00

And I it terrified you scared. Do you remember like the first time you watched it? And I'm sure you do, like every time they the next time they would go in Reagan's room, I was always like, What is gonna happen next? That dread, like, don't please just don't go in this room. Can we end this film now? And I'll be happy. That's when you've got something great.

SPEAKER_01

And every time you think that they can't raise the stakes any higher, they do.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It's just uh it's like you said, it's lightning in a bottle.

SPEAKER_00

It is you're older when you watch Blair Witch, it comes out in 99. Did it scare you?

SPEAKER_01

No, didn't it just it's a scary movie? Um, and it's it's it does it does what it does very well. But yeah, at that time I was 2199, so I was not. I was exorcist the last movie that scared you. Uh no, not the last movie that scared me, but I mean it's the one that's scared me the worst.

SPEAKER_00

I'm look as a whore junkie, I'm looking to the day when me and you go, we're checking this movie out theater, and we both walk out and go, dude, that scared me. I I I want that, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, that'll be that'll be uh that'll be the day. I don't know. The conjuring legitimately scared me scared me when I saw it. And um midsummer scared me. I know you're not a big fan of Midsummer. I left. Midsummer scares me because that cult stuff is out there.

SPEAKER_00

But cold, you see, you take a couple letters, you take T away and put B, you mix it around, you got a club. And that's what they had. They had a club. They sure did have a club.

SPEAKER_01

They sure did have a club. No, it scared me in a different way, you know. It wasn't like scary like the Condren, but it scares me because I think that's really out there. Yeah. I think that's I'm sure it is, folks. Yeah, that that don't go to Sweden.

SPEAKER_00

You'll be okay. Dude, the all these movies we're talking about in one way that they really do shape horror. There's gonna be more to come. There always will be, because there's always gonna be sick people out there. But man, just talking at it and reflecting now how much they've shaped us, yeah. You know, yeah, big time.

SPEAKER_01

All of these or a lot of these have had a profound impact on me. Yeah, you know, a lot of these based on a true story kind of movies. Um, but on the on the topic of the exorcist, this leads nicely into next week's episode. Which is so next week is uh Good Friday, so it's Holy Week. So I thought, let's talk about religious horror, which I think exorcists would fall into that category.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I'm Catholic, so definitely, you know.

SPEAKER_01

But there's tons of Catholic horror movies out there. Yeah, this is like uh this is an interesting and fertile ground for horror.

SPEAKER_00

One I can think of just talking about Ed is Emily Rose.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, that's a great one. They for whatever reason, and and we're gonna research this and and get back to y'all. Um there is no shortage of religious horror. Of you know, taking the basic ideas of Western Christianity and marrying them to horror. Yeah, there's no shortage of it, and it's effective, boy. And it's uh yeah. So we're gonna get into those next week.

SPEAKER_00

And um there'll be a lot to talk about, man.

SPEAKER_01

It's gonna be awesome, and I'm excited for it. This was a good one, Paul.

SPEAKER_00

I loved it.

SPEAKER_01

Yep, I did too. So thank y'all. And um, we did go ahead and start a TikTok.

SPEAKER_00

And uh we would like to see about two million, three million views pre-guys. We're gonna get real angry.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we're gonna make our ultra war movies. Per my daughter's suggestion, I switched over and I made a TikTok last week to kind of promote last week's episode, um which was the uh the video nasties. Yeah, so yeah, check out our TikTok, um, Haunted O's Ark Theater. Check out last week's episode of Video Nasties. Look for a new TikTok tomorrow to promote based on a true story, and come back next week for religious horror. Yeah. And the hits just gonna keep coming.

SPEAKER_00

You guys have a great weekend. Take care, y'all.