Interview with Ahonu - March 23, 2021

In this interview with one of their recurring and favourite guests, Ahonu, you'll hear about ancient sites and energies in Ireland, and beyond. 

There's spiritual energy to be experienced. Ahonu and his Twin Flame, Aingeal Rose, have taken many people on tours of sacred sites, and we hope will do so again when conditions permit. 

They are publishers and spiritual guides, among many other things! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

We are not a little bit. You are watching Contact TV with your hosts, Leslie Mitchell Clark and Wes Roberts. Exploring upology, metaphysics, and beyond with the world's foremost experts. And welcome everyone to our annual special St. Patrick's Day celebration. I don't want to sound like Barry O'Hara like a mad American actor. But anyway, we are here and uh we are so happy that you've joined us. Whether it's the that's the wonderful thing about the interweb. It could be three in the morning, it could be eight at night. Whenever you're viewing us, it's great. And of course, I am joined, as always, by uh co-host and producer, Mr. Wes Roberts. And Wes, it's great to see you, especially with your cosmic background. I'm loving that.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

Very good to see you. Good to be back in action. Um, different shows are coming up, but we're kicking it off again with one of our favorite guests. So hello, hello.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Yes, and without further ado, and in keeping with our fascination with uh all things Celtic, uh, I would have to say we are more than thrilled to welcome back to the show Ahano, excuse me, that was anticlimactic. Ahonu, ahanu.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

Ahanu, not at all Celtic, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

No, no, no. Not miku or oh ahanu, just like like share, just ahanu.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Maybe if it was oh hanu, it may work. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

That's right, that's right. It could be. Well, we are so happy to have you here. And I know that um as we always do on St. Patti's Day, it's wonderful to talk about a a bit of uh um Irish history, not just the accepted Irish history, but uh paleo history, antideluvian history. And you, Hanu and your lovely wife Anne Gail, um uh have not only visited, but I know for a time and I hope in the future again you actually bring people to some of the most uh uh uh famous um famous uh spots of uh deep antiquity in Ireland. Uh so um I guess I immediately I guess I would have to think about Newgrange as maybe one that springs to mind, which is um, and it's still I I'm not even sure anyone knows exactly how old it is. I personally think it's pre-Diluvian, but anyway, what do you what's up with Newgrange?

SPEAKER_02 2:50

Newgrange is a very interesting story. It's 5,000 years old, which interestingly enough is 2,000 years older than the Great Pyramid of Egypt. Now, not many people equate that in terms of a lineage, you know, a timeline. And it's interesting when you put it that way because there must have been something going on in Ireland those thousands of years ago that was deeply spiritual or was energy related. They must have understood something about the ley lines, about the the uh energy of the earth in order to be able to build something like Newgrange. And what it is, it's uh it's a large, what they call what they call a mound. It's just like a mound of dirt. And uh and in the in the 40s and 50s, it was excavated, and they found a lot of the stonework on the front had fallen down over the thousands of years, and so they did a great restoration job as best they could to what it looked like in its heyday, and so now it's got this beautiful uh stone front on it. They maintained all the uh huge stones all around the outer perimeter of it, and uh Newgrange is only one of thousands of these sacred sites and mounds around Ireland, but it's the most famous, it's the it's the best known, and it's one that we visit every year when we go back there too. And of course, you know, we may pop in little stories about COVID as we go along because COVID did a good job on destroying the tourism to this particular site. And in some ways, people are saying great, you know, because it was becoming overrun. But at the same time, with the likes of Newgrange, they were very careful about not allowing too many people in at the same time, you know, so they controlled it a lot. But uh, one of the interesting things that we found about it a couple of years ago, when we were taking a group to Ireland and when we stopped at Newgrange, we could see India like a wisp of energy coming out the top of New Grange. And coincidentally, we when we talked about this on one of our own podcasts, we found that others had seen a similar kind of thing coming out the tops of the pyramids of Egypt and in various Ularu and various other places around the globe. So it's like as if there was some kind of an activation going on. Now we don't know for sure, but I managed to paint a little picture uh showing that. So it's a very interesting place. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

That's uh that's not at all surprising because uh the the ancient, uh the prehistoric uh Celts, if you will, they um would have known it was an energy spot. I mean, there is uh that's that's something that they knew intuitively or they would have found it. And um I know it's some uh forgive me if this is incorrect, but I believe it's called a a passenger tomb. Is that the correct um type of description of New Grange where you move through it uh or I'm laughing because you called it passenger, who knows?

SPEAKER_02 5:57

Maybe somebody gets on something and they get transported into the other world, right? Um and we will talk. I do want to talk about the other world and the nether world and the underworld and all of that. But no, no, it's not passenger, it's passage. And the reason they call it passage tomb, the reason they call it a passage tomb is because usually there is a passage leading from the outside going into the center, and a lot of times past the center or even just in front of the center. And the reason for that is because a lot of these monuments were aligned with the rising sun, sometimes the setting sun, depending on its purpose. Now, Newgrange is aligned with the rising sun on the 21st, the winter solstice, the 21st of December. So the first rays of the rising sun, what they do is as the sun is rising, it makes its way up along the passageway until it, and usually the passageway also is not straight. It's usually turned like a like a swan neck almost, you know, it's it twists and turns, but there's one direct line that goes to like the spiral stones at the back of the passage, and it illuminates the back of the passage. So there's been many speculations about what its purpose was, and some people for years and years and years called it uh a tomb, a grave. Now, interestingly enough, when we were there, when Angel Rose and I were there a few years ago, they had changed that story. You see, the story was that when the shaft of light came in from the rising sun and illuminated that chamber, they would have had the bones of their dead in there, and that the bones, the spirit of the dead would go out through the shaft of light into the sun and into a new another dimension. That was the story. So they regarded it as a burial place. Now they're starting to call it a monument, which is really interesting, and that and and and um a sacred place. And uh and what was the other thing, which I think what I was going to tell you? Um, yeah, they found they found lots of um bones and um skeletons and things in the hinterland. So it wasn't the case that they brought all their dead into the tomb. Some people say, okay, it was only the the uh the hierarchy, the top of the planet and so on that they brought in there. But my own belief is that they knew far more about the movements of the stars and the cosmos than what we do now. We think we know it all now. But they were able to align this when you think of the architecture and the engineering, that they were able to align this. Now, bear in mind that we're told historically that these were farmers and hunter-gatherers, right? And but yet these people were able to build a monument with such accuracy that for a short period of time the rising sun would find its way through a thin shaft of light all the way in to illuminate a spiral at the back of the chamber, is absolutely astonishing.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

That uh who were uh who were these people? Now they were they were pre-druidic, yes. Were they part of the were they part of the um um the Indo-European uh Celtic progress which came across Eastern Europe and then eventually were they that proto-Celtic that they still probably looked small and dark? Who were these people?

SPEAKER_02 9:37

No, that's an interesting question, and there's very few people able to enlighten us accurately about that. But I think it's fair to say that the word Celt, for example, from Celtic, is believed to come from the Greek word Celtoi, and that means secret people. Now even that alone is an interesting to contemplate, but they would have come from various tribes, Central and Eastern Europe, who migrated west, and they migrated across the um the Germanic areas and up into um into uh some people even say up into the Scandinavian countries and down across into the British Isles. And from the British Isles, then that's where the kind of common ancestry with Scotland would have come from. So you've got uh a kind of Celts, Celtic, Scottish, and down into Wales and into Ireland. Now that's the furthest west they could have gone at the time, of course, but some of them then went south down into Brittany and Normandy. So you have this kind of common Celtic background from those people. But now here's an interesting thing that has developed since then uh in terms of knowledge and understanding, and that is that there's a slight difference between the Irish Celtic ancestry and the kind of European Celtic uh ancestry, and the reason for that seemingly is that Ireland being an island had very little influence over all those years, like including, for example, the Roman expansion into Britain. They didn't get all the way across Britain, but you know, there was far more influence into European countries and the British Isles than there was into Ireland, so a lot of that Celtic tradition remained pretty pure, but also it was allowed to develop with the native Irish themselves. So the brand of Celtic Irish is kind is pretty unique, and and that's and arising out of that, interestingly enough, is where we get the whole pantheon and uh and the stories and the belief in mysticism and the other world, the nether worlds, the the fairies, the the leprechauns, you know, the whole show of of fun and laughter and danger too, you know, with with these systems. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Well, that is a that's a really uh very accurate way to look at it. And even within uh because they I I just read the other day that um the Iron Age as such was delayed by about a hundred years in Ireland simply for that very matter, the lack of egress and access. So a Europe and Eastern Europe was now deep into the Iron Age by 500. In Ireland it was closer to 600. They were still in the Bronze Age. These were Bronze Age people that we're talking about with St. Patrick for for one thing, which we'll get to later. But I know Wes, you must you look like you're you're percolating with a with a question coming out of your black Irish brain.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Yeah, I have a wisp coming up the top of my head here. But but actually, that's what I wanted to ask Ohano about. Um Leslie and I have interviewed, and I can't remember his name, a gentleman who's visited pyramids all over the world. And he talked about near the apex of the pyramid, there being a field, a measurable energy field. And I'm wondering if that's the way you perceive the Wisp, if that's the way the Wisp is or was, or if it's more of an Earth-type spirit or a combination of things. Just curious.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly its origin. My own feeling about it is that it doesn't originate at the apex, like what the way you describe it. I think it originates further down into the earth, and it's why they would have located these monuments where they did. They're usually at the crossing of ley lines and various earth energy lines. And I think what happens is that the actual either the shape of the pyramid or the shape of the likes of Newgrange or other sacred sites, or the chamber itself generates or focuses, be like a laser beam, effectively. I I think perhaps that's what's going on, and it focuses this energy upwards. Now, what it would do that for defeats me. We don't fully understand that. I mean, it is it likely to contact extraterrestrial beings, is it a locating device? Is it to dispense with earth energy, you know, is it to uh help with the possibility of um earthquakes and and and weather or like we don't know for sure, but certainly it is something that we think is connected with Earth core and comes right up through that particular point.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

That's that's our own thing. So so the mound is like an amplifier, um, like pyramids are amplifiers, and they've often said they're they're beacons. So I suppose that could be one thing too.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

Yes, indeed. Well, do you know? Well, do you know that's a good point there, Wes. And um I think that you know, we're going to talk about St. Patrick and all that, but when we talk about Christianity, I think those early Christian people were very aware of Earth energy, and it's the reason why they built a lot of their churches on these sacred sites around Ireland, especially, but also throughout the British Island Islands. And um and and it's also why a lot of their churches would have had that spire because it's effectively an antenna, is what it is.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

Yes, agreed. Absolutely. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

I think that's age, I think that's ancient knowledge of the power of three. I think that's ancient knowledge that was suppressed and leaked out somehow, uh, but it certainly informs the architecture. And uh, you know, I was thinking maybe you were talking about our uh friend Dr. Asmanogich, who had uh explores the uh the Bosnian the Bosnian pyramid. I think I think in essence he believes that that is earth energy as well. And uh that that is has to be like the number one component for whatever these these uh uh these energy systems or portals or whatever they were, they needed to be in a certain position. Uh it has to do with you know magnetism and all these things that we still barely understand, really.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

Right. Yes, yeah, yeah. In fact, you know, just to digress for a moment, I remember asking a question one time, uh Angela Rosa and I, we go into the Akashic Records and and uh we asked the question simply because nobody had the answer to it. What is gravity? Now think about it. Think about it. Yeah, nobody knows what gravity is. Not really, yeah. Yeah, and and but yet these guys understood it very clearly understood it. And the other thing that they understood too, and I'll ask this question to the audience in general tell me what is fire. Nobody knows what fire is. No, we take it for granted. Oh, I gotta go. Here's the children. So it's okay. Just give me a couple of moments and I'll get myself resettled, okay? Leslie and I will chat. We're good.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

We'll just chat while you're gone. Don't worry about a thing. Get yourself settled there.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

Okay, thank you. So Dr. Dr. Sam, right? Dr. Sam.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Dr. Sam is Monagich, who I, as I understand it, teaches still a big chunk of the year in Texas. At um I'm not sure it's, I believe he's in Houston. I think it's University of Texas in you, but at any rate, yeah, he's uh and then uh his other the other big thing there about the Bosnian pyramid is that the um there are the catacombs or tunnels underneath that are made out of some kind of unknown silicon. Silicon.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

That's right, it's examples, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:56

Yeah, it's not stone, it's silicon, and it's uh apparently they have healing powers. You know, my my personal feeling about the about the spot at Newgrange is that you know, there are all those symbols of time tunnels. And they're actually all over uh prehistoric stone age structures everywhere, all over the ancient world, the Egyptians too. I, you know, I had a kind of a dream that I'll tell you about maybe later. I mean, it was more like a vision, but it happened after meditation. And I think I know I think I know what they were doing, what the what the use was.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

Well, we have a little drive coming up, and folks, just so you know that we're not just talking about personal stuff, we're gonna be doing a show from the studio.

unknown 18:44

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

Um, at the end of this month, maybe two shows if we can uh swing it. So whenever Leslie and I get together, it's just bang, you're in conversation. And it's usually about these exotic things that are just part of our daily lives.

SPEAKER_00 18:59

Indeed.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

So yeah, Dr. Sam, my goodness, I had forgotten about him until today's conversation.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

So yeah, and well, you know, you can actually go to you can go on a dig at the Bosnian pyramid. You can it's uh it's just like being a student volunteer. You can go over there and you can they train you up and you know give you a brush and a little spade and and they send you out there. And you and it's apparently quite a and you stay, I think is it a month or two weeks, something like that?

SPEAKER_01 19:31

I remember him. Yeah, that's a while.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

That's on my bucket list digging at the Bosnian pyramid.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

But gosh, I know our audience may not remember this, but uh welcome back, Cotter, and I'm gonna be Horschack.

unknown 19:43

Ooh, ooh.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Yeah. Yes, ooh, ooh.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Okay, I'm back. Hello.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

Oh, he was a friend of mine. You know, he just passed a couple of years ago. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. He lived in New York and kind of he had a he had a theater that he that he ran uh in Florida, I think. It was very busy for a while. And uh and anyway, he's left us, but great guy. I'll remember his name once I climb out of my dementi my early dementia ball over here.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

So Mano's back.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

And it looks like you're are you back in the closet? Who knew?

SPEAKER_02 20:22

I'm back in the baby's room.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Even worse. Oh, it's cute.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

It's cute. I love it. It's better than the baby.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Look at those tiny little girls. Look at that tiny little dress. I just had boys, so look at that tiny little dress. Anyway, oh, it's so cute. Well, there you go. Okay, love the little girls. So um, so Ohano, I wanted to ask you about um, you know, we're talking a little bit about how the Norse um uh pantheon sort of rubs up in a way against the Irish pantheon. And I I think it's maybe even possible that the what we knew as the Norse culture uh was the the dregs, you know, of what had been the last bit of Atlantis of a real Hyperborean civilization is is uh so I do think that these that this panthe uh uh that that all of this stuff that comes with the Norse is also the heritage of the Irish because they were there. They survived the flood. There was a flood, all the sea levels uh rose at 400 feet, lots of stuff was submerged, maybe even high Brazil, we'll talk about that later. But you know, but this this um this idea that uh that the the so-called Vikings were just a degenerate version of what had been a magnificent hyperborean civilization of probably very, very tall people and you know less ethnically mixed than the Scandinavians are now, but very, very tall. People. So uh so this relationship goes back millennia. Um so um what do you think about the uh the pantheon uh the Irish pantheon? Do you do you think that it is actually the same pantheon that we are talking about with the Norse people, or is it unique unto itself?

SPEAKER_02 22:20

Well, there have been genetic studies that have been done that show there's no genetic relationship between the Vikings, for example, and the Celts. Ah, but yet yet they all lived uh at the same time and were exploring and plundering and marauding and doing all sorts at the same time, but there's no genetic relationship. Now I find that interesting because to come to your question, well, if that's the case, then where did the Celtic people come from? And I think that in some ways, the original Celtic people who originated in the in Central and uh Eastern Europe at the time and were traveling across Europe, I think that they kept themselves pretty much to themselves. And that's the core, I think, that came down into Ireland eventually. Now, there would have been some intermingling going on with the Germanic and Nor and uh Scandinavian people, but I think the core of those peoples came down into Ireland, and I think that's what makes the difference. But also, um, I mentioned earlier about the the fact that Ireland is an island, you know, so it was kept relatively pure, that bloodline. And I think that's I hope that answers your question.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Well, it's certainly uh certainly traceable and and fascinating, the true Celtic bloodline. I mean, I I had my 23andme thing done recently, and I'm hugely uh Celtic, hugely Irish, um uh, you know, by what they know as the markers. In fact, ironically, my my husband and my father, my late father, are in the same haplo group, which means that my husband and my father are descended from the same Irish chieftain.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

Well, now, isn't that interesting? Uh what are you up to there with?

SPEAKER_00 24:17

What does Freud say about that? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

What are you up to there? And then and then um Leslie's husband and and me, we share, we share a last name, Clark.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

Yes. So they share an ancestral last name, and I would bet when you did your 23andme, you know, you might have those patrilineal markers.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

I do wonder. Haven't done it yet.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Have you done that yet? Oh no, have you done your 23andme uh uh investigation of your genome?

SPEAKER_02 24:45

No, I haven't. And uh I may do someday, you know, but I've never interestingly enough, uh, where I come from, I was born in Tipperary, and many people will have known the song, it's a long way to Tipperary. Well, my last name is O'Grady, O apostrophe G-R-A-D-Y, which is of Grady. The O in all the Irish names is of. Now, by contrast, just to explain, by contrast, you'll know a name is Scottish if it's Mac, because Mac means son of in the Scottish tradition. But now that's not to say there are lots of Macs too in Ireland, but um the the O'Grady, I did a family tree of my own, and of course, a lot of those records weren't kept before the 1700s, purposely because the British wanted to wipe out, let's say the the English wanted to wipe out the Irish. So they any records of any kind were uh mostly destroyed. But having said that though, when you come from a chieftain, a lot of those lines were preserved uh almost like through the through the tradition of handing down uh descendancy, handing down a coat of arms or handing down yeah, so in that way we were able to go back to the original uh Grady of Grady. And uh so I never questioned like, is it possible that I had come from somewhere in Eastern Europe originally? Do you know what I mean? I just accepted that you know I'm Irish through and through, a hundred percent, you know, native Irish, and with with no influences that I no outside influences uh over the last thousand years that I know of. And there are a lot of uh people like that in Ireland too, where they're like regard themselves as I suppose you could use the word pure blood, but you know what I mean, pure Irish all the way. And uh of course, lately, especially since the 1990s, the Celtic Tiger, when like the world opened up really, and Ireland opened up and became a very um much sought-after place for Europeans, and Celtic Tiger really made it very attractive for people to migrate into Ireland, and of course, there was an open border policy to a degree, and a lot of people did settle in Ireland and become integrated in Ireland, and uh uh and uh I I think that's very interesting because now a lot of those bloodlines are are mixing. In, for example, my own son is married to a Mexican girl. Now, I've no problem with that absolutely at all. In fact, I'm very proud and happy about it. But there was a time, not going back too far, when you would not hear of that in Irish culture at all.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

No kidding, no kidding.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

Seriously, no, you it just wasn't done. No, you know, it just wasn't done. So it's an interesting development that's taking place. And I I guess it's happening all over the world, you know, it's not it's not peculiar to Ireland.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

I think you're right. It we are opening up all over the world, and I think one of the great things, though, the DNA thing can teach you is there may be surprises in there, and it's how conjoined we we really are. In fact, I have a third cousin who is a beautiful African-American woman named Tanisha Sky, and we are blood cousins. I don't know. I and because my family, like your family, my family are so recent immigrants in the scope of things, for the Irish part and the Swedish part, totally recent immigrants. So there's some aspect of my family, somebody who got on a ship, something happened, something down south.

SPEAKER_03 28:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I love that.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

I tell you, when I when I read that that day, I was walking with a little more swagger, a little more funky, you know.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

Yeah. But Leslie, you know, I love what you're saying there because um, you know, when you mentioned about how global we really are and this sense of unity and oneness with humanity, really, that there is no room for racism and division like what a lot of people would like to have. And um and and I love that idea. I really do. I think it's absolutely wonderful because when we talk about earth energies, I mean, those earth energies affect everybody. It doesn't say I'm black, you're white, you're red, I'm orange, you know, it doesn't say I'm this religion, I'm Hindu, I'm Muslim. You know, hey, it elevates everybody. And I think that's a wonderful thing. So, you know, I remember actually many years ago when um you asked about the the Celts, the origin of the Celts and all, and I remember thinking about the Vikings, like when I was going to school and thinking how how invasive they were, because they were supposed to be very um uh um cruel. They were supposed to be very cruel. And uh and I thought I wouldn't like to have anything. But all they were all they were doing also was just exploring other lands in exactly the same way as the Irish did when it was when at the time of the famine. Time of the famine in Ireland, 1845, the population went from I think it was like five, no, it went from oh don't don't hold me on to numbers now, but I think it might have been something like eight or ten million down to three million or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

That's I that's the figure that I remember. It was absolutely unbelievable what happened.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Yes, but where did those people go? Like the Irish diaspora, you'll find Irish all over the world, everywhere, everywhere, you know, there's a pub everywhere, there's an Irish pub everywhere, man.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

And I've found a lot of them in strange places, even in India. There are Irish pubs everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

What have I? It's absolutely wonderful, yeah. Um, so for that reason, you know, there's it's like you can't the pot can't call the kettle black, you know. We're all in this together. There's no doubt about it. We're all in this together, and I think it's a wonderful thing. And for that reason, I'm I'm very open to helping anybody I can wherever I can at any time I can, because the time of division and separation is over, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

It's done. If we don't start understanding the law of one, we have no business being in physical form and effing everything up.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

We have been so reminded of this recently. Oh my gosh, it's been terrible.

SPEAKER_00 31:21

No kidding. We're we're coming out, these are these are learning experiences in the same way that our use of technology, especially this kind of technology, are training wheels to, I believe, telepathic communication and other kinds of holograms and and being so good at projecting your essence that you can really just show up somewhere else. There are the great yogis that we can do this now. It's not out of our reach. We start from where we start. And and this is the this is the tough school, man. It's like we chose to go to school in the Bronx instead of like a ritzy boarding school. This is the tough school. So you know Bronx, forgive my forgive my comparison. We can put it to my birthplace, Brooklyn. It's like you just you went to a tough school in Brooklyn.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

But uh you know, that's where that's where an uncle of mine left Ireland in 1919 and he went uh to live in Brooklyn, and he lived in the same house in Brooklyn for all that length of time, and he never got back to Ireland. And you know what the most amazing thing I found about that, I went to visit him, I think it was like in the late 80s, and uh and he was getting uh getting on at that point in time. He never lost his Irish accent, and I found that really puzzling because you know how the Brooklyn accent is pretty distinct, the whole New York accent is pretty distinct. He never lost his Irish accent despite having been here all his life, and and uh but you know, I just want to come back to one point you were making there, Leslie, a few moments ago when you were talking about um the unity of it all, and it seems that the ancient, these ancient peoples of all cultures now understood the unity of all of this. You know, now in in particular with the Irish, they it that came through in the areas of uh the fairy folk and the like Tiernan Og, for example. Tiern and Og Tyr means land, and og is you young or youth. So Tiernanog is the land of eternal youth, and they were aware of being able to pass through some kind of a thin veil, and these places where the veil is thin is is particularly noticeable at the times of um Halloween, for example, but it's noticeable also in different places around the Irish countryside where the veil is thin, and you feel as if you're crossing some kind of a spiritual or energetic boundary into like a land of eternal youth, you know. I'm thinking of bottling it actually. Uh you know, I'll I'll get a little I'll get a little bottle of it.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Please do. Put an up an advertisement on it.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

It will. You're you you're absolutely right. And and I think that um uh I think there are many layers of physicality, possible physicality. And I believe that there are elementals, that there are beings that either can get more physical if they want to be seen, or or they remain, you know, in in uh what would I call the higher vibrational space, but they're still physical. And they can physicalize and can interact with us. I I don't think people have been hallucinating uh fairies and leprechauns and other little people. I think that they actually exist. The sprites, I think these beings exist. And you know, I talk to them whether they're I can see them or not. They help me with my garden. So I'm always talking to them.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

Well, you know, we have a we have a friend too, uh Penny Kelly, who she wrote a book about the uh oh, what was it called? The fairies of Lily Hill Farm, and she was communicating with these fairies, and the fairies told her how to farm her land so as to get the best yield. She had a um a vineyard and how to get the best yield and where to plant trees and what trees to remove and what and and her yield grew from something like I don't know, five or six or seven tons per acre up to 80 tons per acre, based on these guys' advice.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

I'm just I absolutely believe I would love to hear more about that.

SPEAKER_02 35:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll send you a link to it. Okay, but you know, this is this is interesting because we're talking about connecting with the earth, and the ancient kings of Ireland were symbolically married the land of Ireland. Now it was a symbolic wedding, but the way they thought of it was that like the goddess was the earth, and the the blood, the rivers was the blood, and uh that gave them an inner strength to rule with fairness, and um so like they merged effectively with the land was how was really what was going on, and it gave them sovereignty over themselves and over the land.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Well, I think the indigenous peoples all over the globe have that beautiful relationship with the land. I and and I would consider the the Celtic peoples indigenous peoples because we know that they how they their history and how they evolve, but certainly um from globe to globe, we see the intimate relationship with the land and also with the stars. They you know, ancient peoples understood procession. They uh you know this there all of this has to point to supercultures. All of this has to come to a common point to common supercultures, no matter how we look now. I believe that there was an Atlantean civilization and preceding and overlapping that a Lemurian civilization, which is the Pacific situation with Hawaii and all of that. But uh we're we're all part of of the one, and that's and that was St. Patrick's message too. He was trying to get that across to early people with the shamrock. He had a funny, you know, I this um Catholic way we have of looking at it, I think is is uh very difficult to understand, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But I think if you think of the Shamrock, the parts of us as our mind, our body, and our soul, it makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_02 37:31

Yeah. I remember as a child, and of course we we always refer to Ireland as Holy Catholic Ireland because that's the way we were brought up to believe, you know. But you're right. It it even in at when we were children, like what 1500 years after Patrick was there, we're still using the shamrock to teach that principle. I remember learning it in school because it is a different con a difficult concept to grasp, as you say, but using the the shamrock is a very easy way to understand it and it's still used to this day.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

Yeah, it is that's fantastic. Wow. Uh Wes, did you have uh some another question over there? I'm not I've lost complete track of time. It could be it could be it could be any time. I don't even know.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

I am keeping my eye on the time. No, I'm just curious to to understand some of the more the roots of spring, which is around the corner. Um, I'd love to hear more about this.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

Oh, and Baldani is coming.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

Yeah, right, yeah. Well, that that's a whole story in its own right, because it comes from the Irish, it's two words together, Baal Tina, and tinna is fire, and Baal, of course, is the ancient god Baal, which to a lot of people is not a friendly character. And so when you put uh fire and baal together, you're gonna have a kind of a real shakeup of things, and um which in a way is great symbolizing spring in that new burst of growth and new life and you know everything coming forth out of the earth and all that kind of thing. But um, but at the same time, it was it was an interesting, it was an interesting time. And of course, it was the Romans that changed the calendar to make our calendar as we know it now start on the first of January. But to those people, spring started like on the the first day of um the first day of spring is actually St. Bridget's Day, the first day of February in Ireland. And like when you when you think about that, what was going on there was that she was like the the virgin priestess also, you know, giving birth to new growth, new new land, new opportunity, new ideas, ascension, all of that. So there's there's wonderful parallels going on when we look into uh Irish Celtic the background and and of course uh Celtic Christianity too. Celtic Christianity is interesting in lots of ways. It kind of borders somewhat on the Coptic understanding of what Christianity should have been before before Christianity came in and changed belief systems, you know?

SPEAKER_00 40:08

Absolutely. I think the whole uh I think the entire message was perverted by everything that, and I'm you know, I'm a good Catholic girl, but I have to say the administration part of it is horrendous. So we don't need to delve into that. But the but the one thing that was very, very, very clever about the Catholic Church and always has been, is that they're marvelous marketers. So they took, you know, like here's here's St. Patrick. Now, St. Patrick would could best have been described as a scruffy um missionary. He was an aesthetic practically. He got in a little open boat with a couple of his freezing buddies, and that was the whole that was the whole thing. And he lived on the kindness of the of the uh of the local kings who got a big kick out of him for some reason. And in his whole career, he never um uh converted he converted two counties only in Northern Ireland. That was it. That's all he did. So um years later, when it suited the Catholic Church, when they were very interested in um uh controlling Ireland, that's when um uh that's when Patrick was deified. That's when he became that's when they started calling him the Bishop of Ireland, which certainly did not exist in in his day. No one even knows what his name was. Uh Patrick is a kind of a uh Celticized uh Patrius or you know, word for father. So it's right.

SPEAKER_02 41:39

We don't know, we don't know what his name was. Has Roman origins. Ah yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it, that is interesting about Patrick, all right, because like he wasn't born in Ireland, as you know, he was born in Wales and he was sent to Ireland as a slave. But while he was in Ireland, apparently he had these visions or had this downstepping of information that when he was finally released back in in Wales, he had this urge to come back to spread this message of Christianity in Ireland. And as you say, it was very smart marketing in a sense that he converted the kings first, a couple of kings first. And of course, in that way, everything filtered down. You know, he didn't try to go on the streets and try and convert the man in the street, no, he did it from the top down, and in that way it was very, very effective. But you know what I find interesting about that is that the the Catholic Church, even though Ireland is regarded as a Catholic country, there is so much mysticism still goes on in with Irish Catholics to this day that it's actually refreshing. I I find it refreshing.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

That's why I love it. The mystery of the bells, I want the whole thing, the incense, I love all of it.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

Well, no, I mean though, like if you take, for example, Halloween, okay, you're going to have church church bells, as you say, and you're going to have the call to prayer and the mass and all the rest of that around that time. But people still regard the the last day of October as um All Souls Day and the first day of November All Saints Day. Of course, the Catholic Church was what the one who brought the All Saints Day into it. All Souls Day was actually the thin veil, the veil between the worlds, the crossing of from this life into the next life, being able to connect and communicate with your your lost, your dead loved ones. And um, even the shield in a gig is a very interesting thing. Um the shield in a gig is a carving in stone of a female form with her legs wide open. And the whole idea is that you're looking at the the womb of creation, really. And the it the old Irish priests. From Patrick's time, they couldn't get this idea out of the psyche of the Irish. So what they had to do was they had to incorporate it, they had to meld the two traditions together. So they had to put this carving, and there's in particular there's one in uh the monastery in Glen Delock in County Wicklow in Ireland, where the lintel into the church, where the priest goes into, actually goes under or into the female genitalia in order to enter into the sacristy. So what do you think of the thinking behind the concept behind it? But it worked, you see, it helped the native Celtic Druidic people to actually incorporate that belief into the new Christianity because effectively that's what was going on. They they believe very much in the ability of the earth to bring forth new life, do you know?

SPEAKER_00 44:56

Well, that's and there was no stopping it by that time. The message of Christianity was gonna happen. It was going to happen. The the um the druidic peoples are are a great mystery to me. When when do they when is this transition between, say, you know, hunter-gatherers and people who nature worshippers and such, when does it get organized by the druids and who are they? Are they Irish? Who are they?

SPEAKER_02 45:21

That's a great question, Leslie. And I'm not the right one to answer that. I'm not a historian by any means. And there are there are so many different stories that get handed down to us. I mean, all the great Irish Celtic warriors, they all have tales of of battle and and conflict and war and happiness and marriage and and death and passing into the other world, and all of these kinds of things that I think uh end up being an amalgam of all those historical data. And it comes down to where modern day historians can't actually verify any of it. So they call it myth and mythology, but I think I believe that there's far more to mythology than what meets the eye. I think there's a lot of factual information in a lot of these stories that, you know, it's as I say, it's very hard to verify and validate. So it's just very it remains very much in the belief systems of many people.

SPEAKER_00 46:26

Absolutely. And uh Ahonu, as you've pointed out so many times before, I think, um, people are literal. They're they're literal uh with with what they're putting on a cave wall. It represents, if they've had experience with luminous building uh beings with big heads, that's what they draw. The idea of art and imagination coming together is not as ancient as some of this early stuff. People were by and large literal. Um the subconscious mind is literal. That they didn't have as nearly as much going on in the conscious mind. They they were operating a lot instinctually and they were literal people. So there we can look at every pantheon and compare it, no doubt, to um beings that had a little more experience than we did, or maybe were capable of uh interstellar travel who saw a good thing and started running the show down here.

SPEAKER_02 47:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But the other thing interesting, I find interesting too, when you talk about St. Patrick and Christianity and that that time between, let's say the time between 5,000 years ago, when all those sacred sites and monuments were being built, the likes of Newgrange and various others, and the arrival of Saint Patrick in 432 AD. That's like that's a lot of time, but still through all of that comes the understanding of good and evil. And evil, as we know, in many cultures has always been attributed to the likes of the snake, the snake, the reptile, the reptilians, you know. And so when Patrick took that concept and said that he was banishing the snakes out of Ireland, we we don't believe that he was physically taking snakes out of the ground and out of the grass and out of the hedgerows and kind of putting them on a boat and sending them off somewhere else or killing them. It was symbolic of negativity and evil. And that's what he was banishing out of Ireland. So, but that's a concept that's been going back for thousands of years, as we know.

unknown 48:50

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Yeah, in many cultures.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

So you're really um I th I just just to digress for just a moment, I just before I go to Wes, I know he's got a question. Uh, I just wanted to retell our listening audience here that you were talking about the festival Baltani, which is in on May 1st, and reference the god Baal. Now, remember from your Bible studies, kids, or whatever you were studying, it's all Old Testament stuff. Baal is an ancient uh uh Venetian Mesopotamian god who um was being worshipped in Sodom and Gomorrah when they were nuked or whatever happened, you know. So this so a Venetian a celebration of a Mesopotamian god somehow came across the Near East and the and and ended up as a major holiday amongst the Celtic peoples of Ireland.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

How do you figure that one? Well, you know, uh it's not surprising, really. Um in 1993 I bought a house in County Wicklow. They call it the Garden of Ireland, it's the most forested county in all of Ireland. And the the guy who we were buying the house from, he said to me at the time, he said, you know, he said that the Irish people descended from the Phoenicians. And I said, I remember saying to him at the time, I don't know about that. Uh, where do you get that from? Like that doesn't make sense. That was not what we were led to believe. Now see, here we go. What he had done was he had he had gone past the teachings and explored the possibility that the origin of the Celtic peoples may have come from the likes of Phoenicia. And and then he began to uncover evidence that that indeed was the case. Even up to the modern day now, where we were able to discover that uh some of the um ancestry of some Irish people came from Egypt. In fact, it was a guy we met our last trip to Ireland when we were taking a group there. We met a guy in a hotel, and he and his whole business, now this is pre-COVID, of course, when we were able to take groups, his whole business was bringing groups into Ireland, exploring the sacred sites, but discovering the connection between Irish mythology and Egyptian mythology. And he it was astonishing the connections that he found. And of course, we know also that uh one of the uh ancient queens, um no, a daughter of a of a pharaoh, did travel, it's well documented, did travel from Egypt out across the Mediterranean Sea, out through the pillars of Hercules, up the coast of Portugal and Spain, on up the coast of France, and landed in Ireland and married a high king of Ireland. So a lot of people don't want to, a lot of people don't want to accept that that's a possibility, or why why weren't we told about this? Because you know, yourself, the sometimes the victor writes the history, and a lot of times people don't want you to know certain things. So there's a lot to learn, a lot to know, and a lot to understand. And uh I like that idea of breaking the glass ceiling, as it were, you know, breaking the boundaries of what we were led to believe and understand that there may be other possibilities. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

Indeed. In fact, uh, you know, in in complete syn synchronicity with what you were just saying, there's a big hubbub in Egypt right now. The entire antiquities community has their knickers and a knot because of the northern European DNA found in Egyptian mummies. Like the red hair and the royal line of Egyptian mummies. These these were these people were broadly European. They were not Semitic, they were not Arabic, they were not uh uh Turkic, they were broadly European and northern European. So now we have the tools to understand our oneness.

SPEAKER_02 53:09

That's right. That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_00 53:11

Oh, I like that. I'm gonna write that down.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

So I'm I'm gonna be the bad, the bad person timekeeper. We've got um another five to ten uh minutes. I want to make sure, Ohana, that you show or sorry, uh tell folks about all the ways they can find out more about you. Yes, all the ways uh if they need to, they can get in touch with you. And I think, Leslie, this is gonna have to be a part one of do.

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Well, that's fine with me. I hope that and you know we should come back for a baltani and do another uh I mean, we just scratched the surface of what we were gonna talk about, really.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

Absolutely. It's always the case with you, Leslie. I mean, we we we could spend days, weeks talking about this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

That's why we have to, that's why your Irish tourism trip to the sacred sites must be reinvigorated. I was all set to go before all of this happened, remember?

SPEAKER_02 54:03

I do, I do, I know, and it was it was it was a shock to us too, because we arrived in Ireland on the 3rd of March 2020 with the intention of running numerous workshops. Now we you know we're publishers, so we were going to do an a writing workshop, you know, teaching people how to write their book. We were going to do a publishing workbox uh workshop for those who had a book already in place and how to publish it and all of that. But on top of that, we were going around the country doing sacred sites of Ireland, and we had great interest in that. We've we've done numerous of them over the years, but we will we will certainly revive that and recover that in due course, yeah. But one thing I just want to touch on real quick, and then I will give some contact details well. Thank you. Yeah, is that you um we never mentioned about High Brazil, and High Brazil is a very interesting place, and the what happened High Brazil, what it is, it's a mysterious island off the west coast of Ireland, way out into the Atlantic. And what's interesting about High Brazil is that it appears on maps as early as like the 1300s, all the way up to the 1800s, but after that, it doesn't appear at all on any maps, and it doesn't it's not there today either. So it's an it's a myth mythical island, right? It's said to be clouded in mist, except for one day every seven years when it becomes visible to the naked eye. But very few people, in fact, there's only one or two documented people that have actually landed on the island, and their stories of uh where they're said to be enormously huge black rabbits and uh wise, wise um beings and so on, you know. But I'm I'm raising it because this was common knowledge amongst the ancient Irish people. And interestingly enough, when Angel Rose and I were in Ireland the last time, no, it wasn't, it was a couple of uh summers ago, we were down on the west coast of Ireland in a place that's well known called Killarney, uh, on the west coast in County Kerry. And we we had the urge to connect with High Brazil, and like how do you do that? Like it's a mythical island, nobody has ever seen it, right? It's you know, I don't know how far, several hundred miles maybe off the 200 miles off the coast of Ireland. How do we connect with it? So all we could do was we could make the intention that we were going to connect with this mythical place. So we arrived at this beautiful secluded beach on the west coast, and we had a jar of water, uh, fresh water. And the idea was that we were going to call in the spirit of high brazzle into this water so that we could ingest it. So we placed it down on the sand. Angela Rose and I went into a little meditation with the intention that we would call in the spirit of hybrid. And within seconds, it's like as if high brazzle came to us and it put itself into this water, and during that period of time, I found myself being able being underwater and being able to breathe underwater, simultaneously being able to fly without wings. And Angela Rose had similar experiences to that, and uh so we we bottled that water. Now we don't have it for sale right now, although we did bottle it and did sell some of it, and we did actually spend several weeks where we would have a small group come together and we would take a pipette of the of it and give each person a sample of it and drink it, and they would you know uh summarize their experiences from having ingested this spirit of high breath. We had amazing experiences, absolutely amazing experiences. We'll have to make a little video documentary about it at some point in time. We haven't done it yet. Yeah, yeah. So, Wes, to answer your question, I know you're running out of time. Yeah, uh, my name is Ahanu, A-H-O-N-U. So you'll find out about me at ahonu.com. Ahanu.com. Angel Rose, her name is the Irish for Angel. So let me spell it for you. Angail, it's pronounced, and it's like Anne and Gail together. A-I-N-G-E-A-L-R-O-S-E.com. And then that's that's her website. We also have one where the two of us come together, and it's called AngelaRose and Ahanu.com. And if you if there's anybody who's interested in publishing and stuff, we have a website called twinflameproductions.us where we're publishing lots of lots of books.

SPEAKER_01 58:49

I'd love to revisit Twin Flame in the future with you. Indeed. Really inspired by that.

SPEAKER_00 58:57

We have to get back into that subject matter and many others. Well, Ahonu, I want to wish you a very, very happy, happy Saint Patrick's Day.

SPEAKER_02 59:06

Oh go just yet.

SPEAKER_00 59:10

Oh yeah. And the Pride Parade all at the same time. And then you're in the closet.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

This is large. This is large. I love it. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 59:33

We'll see you again for the wonderful holiday of um Baladame and talk more about cool stuff. And thank you so much for joining us.

SPEAKER_02 59:42

And folks remember and bye-bye.

SPEAKER_00 59:45

Bye-bye now. We are not alone. See you later, folks. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 59:49

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SPEAKER_00 1:00:15

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