Halloween 2020 - Oct 31, 2020

Please join us as we tell a few spooky, and some disturbing, accounts of the paranormal in our lives. All accounts are 100% real. They happened. Perhaps you can relate to some? 

Please have a Happy Halloween, stay safe, and enjoy the beginning of the witch's year!

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:33

We are not alone. You are watching Contact TV with your hosts, Leslie Mitchell Clark and Wes Roberts, exploring ufology, metaphysics, and beyond with the world's foremost experts. And a good evening, everyone, and a very, very happy All Hallows Eve. And I am Leslie Mitchell Clark, and I'm joined as always by my partner in crime here.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Wes Roberts.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

That's right. And this is a Contact TV Halloween. So uh in a you know, we don't do this too often, but when we do, it's so much fun. So today, uh we are our own special guests.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

And we're very special.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

We are very, very special people. But uh what we're gonna do today, we thought what would be a lot of fun is we are going to each talk about um a few of our own uh creepy, haunted metaphysical experiences. And I wish I wish I had some sound effects. I don't have the sound effects thing together at all. But uh we're gonna do that, and also um we want to acknowledge that uh the 31st of October is in fact the ancient uh Celtic holiday of Salwin, or as you can see it's spelled SAP, but it's Salwin, and it is in fact Celtic New Year, so a very happy Celtic New Year to you, Wes.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

And a very happy Celtic New Year, and uh, if you're so inclined, beginning of the witches.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Well, there's no coincidence there, is it?

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

No, no coincidence, kind of is the the same thing. It's so much more logical, isn't it, that when the earth goes to sleep, that we should, you know, that's a demarcation. And and it's the end of uh, you know, the physical part of a year when you're attached to the land, and a time of rest, and drinking rock or meat.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Bonfires! Anything, so so there you go. So a happy summon to one of my Irish brethren from Otto Land, from the Irish diaspora, from Brooklyn Galicia!

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Wow. Well, this is an all-Irish show, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Anyway, it is an all-Irish show. It is an all-Irish show because of course Wes is uh is also Irish if you if uh way back. Well, not that far back, I don't know. It's pretty it's pretty recent, I think. So you got the I one of these days you're gonna have to do the 23andB, the DNA um testing, because you know that the that was the facts, ma'am. You know, I mean you can it's interesting. I know like in my family, people had all kinds of ideas what was going on and what was what and who was who, but the DNA does not lie. So you will know, I know you have some uh native uh native Canadian ancestry, you'll see how much or how little. Um uh it would be really interesting.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

I've got I'm gonna predict 90% alien.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

It's gonna come back unknown.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Unknown DNA. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Oh boy. Well, you know, that being that being said, um uh I think that it's probably time to to jump into a story or two. Or, you know, Wes, maybe you'd like to talk for just a moment about uh some of your early third eye openings.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

So yeah, that that's a good way. Before uh I we both have uh a few stories uh to uh to keep you entertained. Um but um the way I got started in this uh spooky business, um I was going to high school and uh I was 15 and uh I didn't fit in. Imagine that.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

I can't I can't believe that.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

So one day I went to the library on purpose. This was highly unlike me, you know, to head to the library at all at that age, and um I went to their uh microscopic section on the occult, uh, which was probably branded as their section on psychology. I forget. Anyway, and there was a book there on um on medium shift and it was like drawn to me, and I was drawn to it like a magnet. And I've never really gone down that road before, nothing like that. So I grabbed the book out of the library, and uh that literally changed uh my life because the first story, which I will tell later on, um, has to do with the influence of that book of mediums of seances. So that's how it started for me. What about you?

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Well, yeah, we've never discussed this, but it's kind of remarkably uh uh similar. I mean, I I knew that there was something different about the way I saw things and my sister too. I I knew that because I had seen people's auras when they were praying in church. And um I didn't that didn't seem to be at all remarkable because of course in most religious iconography, you know, halos are painted in. So of course, I think, well, everybody sees them. And I remember asking my uh my grandma, my Swedish grandmother, I remember asking her, you know, why why when some of the people are praying are are are they shining, but but other people just aren't. And I think she said something like, Well, you know, I think you better just keep that to yourself. So I was kind of shut down, but I always saw stuff. My other grandmother was uh my Irish uh my Mitchell grandmother was far more uh open as far as all this was concerned. And um she too had an impressive library, she had an impressive library of occult uh material and particularly works of various um psychics like you know Edgar Casey and uh some of the real oh some of the real classic uh Sylvia Brown, maybe Sybil Leek. Sybil Leak, okay Sybil Leak, um oh, there are a few more, uh Ruth Montgomery. Uh, you know, this is the old the old guard, you know, these were people that were part of spiritualism really Yeah, following the Fox sisters, I guess. Indeed. Following that's a good title for something, by the way. That's a good title. But um so uh I had a lot of experiences when my um when my grandparents, uh my Grammy and Grampy Mitchell moved from the East Coast from from New Jersey to Los Angeles, where we already were, uh my grandparents bought the house of a uh someone who wasn't particularly famous, but he was the his name was Buddy Cole, and he was the conductor for Bing Crosby, as well as many other uh big, big acts. He was kind of like a Nelson Riddle and a studio conductor and arranger. He was the also the father of um of Tina Cole, who was kind of a well-known actress. She was on My Three Sons, and uh and Tina Cole was related to the King family. She was one of the King's So anyway, it's a sh it was a show business scenario. So Buddy Cole um had um he had built on his property a uh massive kind of 1950s style recording studio. It was made out of brick, so it was soundproof, and it was the very old style. It had the the the the control booth was way up high, so he had room for a you know a full orchestra if he wanted it. And he also had as a hobby, he was a theater organist, so he had a theater organ with all the pipes, the whole thing in there. And um when Buddy Cole died very suddenly of a heart attack, and you know, uh now we would probably think, oh wow, he was really young. I think he may have been in his fifties. He certainly, you know, it was a total shock, heart attack, gone. So my grandparents bought the house. My grandfather was a classical classical organist, so he moved in his pipe organ with all the pipes into the soundproof studio and and uh and and life began. Now, the the first time I saw Buddy Cole, the the guy that had died, um my grandparents had just moved in. So I was pretty young, maybe I was like 11, and I walked through the living room and I saw Buddy Cole sitting there smoking a cigarette, and he looked like he was so solid to me. Now I don't always see things in this solid way, but in this case, he I I could I thought someone I thought he was someone I didn't know, a friend of my grandparents who was just there.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

Oh my gosh, so not transparent.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Not at all, completely solid. However, he evaporated as I was looking at him. And I heard like a little static electricity sound. But I used I saw him well often. I mean, if not every day, like every other day. And um I uh uh not long after this point, I actually lived with my grandparents for a chunk of of my childhood. And the room where I slept had been Tina Cole's room and her sister, so that's where the girls when they were growing up. And every morning at 6 30, I think, there would be a knock on my on my uh bedroom door. And uh I later spoke to Tina Cole and she said dad used to wake us up every morning like that.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

So he was still, I was a young girl, blah blah blah. He was still uh I don't know, I don't think he realized he was dead. I really don't. I really don't think he did. I think he was confused and time traveling. And I think what eventually happened is my grandmother had a spiritual group that met, and I believe that they were able to move him on because after uh after the time I was about you know 14, I I never saw him again. He was, he had, he had moved on, thank God. But he was really trapped there for a while. And it really gave me the creeps when I was that I there was um uh a particularly uh scary experience where um I was out in the in the studio, you know, the big old soundproof thing where the organ was, and I was practicing piano and I kept making the same mistake over and over. I was having a lot of trouble with a particular thing, so I kept playing it over and fucking screwing it up, playing it over. And then all of a sudden I heard what sounded like it sounded like um logs or um uh planks falling in the in the chambers of where the uh the orchestra pipes were. It sounded like wooden uh beams or planks falling, like that sound of wood. And I knew there was no wood in there, everything was secured, I knew that. And then the lights turned out, so all the lights went out, and then the piano cover slowly came over and and touched my fingers, but didn't hurt me. And I said, Okay, that's the end of the piano lesson for today.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

I have not heard that story, at least not the full story.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

No, no. So I was about a I would have been about 11 then, but that was real dramatic stuff. But uh after a couple years after that, his his soul had had moved on, but he was very active and I think very confused. And his energy, I felt it all the time, and it hurt my heart, you know. Nobody, nobody else seemed to really be aware at all.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

That just speaks to the sensitive in you, as the term used to be called. Uh yeah, yeah. They used to call folks like us sensitives. That's right. Uh now it's uh you know, flat out psychic if you want to know what it is, and uh among other things.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Among other things, it's hard to say. I I will often say to people that I am a sensitive, but it would make me feel too highfalutin, or I don't know what to use the term psychic. That's not really what I do, but uh, but yes, I think uh I think I'm sensitive. But uh tell me, tell me about uh tell me uh one of your your stories there.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Sure, sure. So kind of like yourself, um my grandmother frowned on all this stuff, and I was only to find out many years later that she had read tea leaves. And she read something for someone that scared her, and so I didn't know that as a teenager. All I knew was, you know, this stuff was awful, it was evil, it was bad. And it's like, well, all the more reason to do it. So um so I had this book on mediumship, which I talked about earlier, and of course I was an expert. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

It can be, I tell you. And when you're a teenager, oh my god. Anyway, carry on, carry on.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

So I had this book on mediumship, and I and I um I knew some of the requirements to use the term, and so um uh myself, uh, my girlfriend, um, one of my sisters, and her boyfriend. We were going to hold a seance. And it's like, yes, we're gonna do a seance. And so we messed it up maybe the first time, but the second time, we're in, I guess it was my room, um, and we had locked the door that would let into the apartment, and we had set on the floor, wooden floor in a circle, uh, with a candle and the usual stuff, you know, that you should have fresh flowers, other stuff. I don't claim to know goodly about it, you know. Um talk to the spiritualists, they know what they're doing. Uh anyway, so um we tried to call back um uh my our uh my sisters and mine um deceased, not father. Oh yeah, yeah, he died when I was 10. Wow, yeah, spectacular in the news, all that stuff. Um, so he wasn't really our dad. Uh so we tried to call him back. So first thing we we heard was someone at the door, and the door opened. Of course, there's nobody there, and we're like, you know, hair standing on it, but we couldn't see the hair standing because we're in the dark.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

You're probably all wearing toques as well.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

So how's it going, eh?

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Or fez exactly you're wearing you were wearing a fez like Doctor Who. I can see it right now, yeah. With a little spinny thing, with a tassel, a fez with a tassel and an Arabic symbol on the front.

unknown 16:41

So anyway.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

So we hear the door open, and and that's pretty freaky. And it's like, okay, then footsteps, hard footsteps in shoes from the door, right between us all to the other end of the room. And it's like, lights. That was it. Lights go on. We're all like, you know, holy shit. Did you see what that did you hear that? Uh yeah, yeah. We all just go over, check the door, it's still locked, blah, blah, blah. The usual stuff. Um, so that was one of my early, early experiences. And obviously, it was beginner's luck. It was successful.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Do you think that? I mean, uh, from what I know of of your dad, he he your your biological father, he might have been, you know, someone prone to be what we would call a hungry ghost because he was so involved with physical sensation, you know, drinking and gambling and consorting and you know, all of those types of things. Um, and and it seems that um it would be easy for him probably to uh physicalize in that way. Because he, you know, he would probably be, you know, he he might have not wanted to entirely let go of the physical realm. And of course, time means nothing. I mean, yes, you were ten when he died, but for him, you know, that could be ten minutes. I mean, it's uh it it doesn't exist in a linear way. So just because the timing is is strange, I I think you probably um I think you probably connected with him. And I also think he probably didn't want to frighten you or and your sister because it's pretty benign. I mean, when you think about it, there's no bad sounds, there are no scary EVPs, uh no bad smells. It was if if you wanted and you were asking for uh a communication, so uh it it it it seems that that was uh that would have been uh something. And also, you know, maybe on the other side, and we can only surmise this after a life review or some time, maybe uh uh uh maybe he has a lot of feelings about his forgive me for saying this, negligence.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

That's all my mother would say. So my mother would have said, sorry, she saw his apparition a day or two after he died.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Really?

SPEAKER_01 19:06

Yeah, yeah. So so she would say. Wow. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Well, I think uh I think that was a positive thing. I think he was telling you that he's he's around if you need him.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

But you know, if it were today, Leslie, uh uh I would have kept informed, kept the sounds going.

SPEAKER_00 19:23

Yeah. Yeah. But you know, you were just a you're just a wee lad. You're a wee wee lad. Oh my yeah. Oh my goodness. Well, fathers, you know, uh now um, you know, both of your parents have are gone. You know, my father has been gone for some time and and my mother is uh in the sta later stages of dementia at this point. So she's in and out, she's time traveling, and I don't know what's going on there, you know. But um but I was very close to my my dear dad. And I do have kind of an uplifting story that I'd love to tell, if that's okay. Um I'm I'm thinking that if any any of our listeners and viewers out there um are familiar with jazz at all, you would know the the famous jazz vibrophone play uh player uh Peter Appleyard. And uh, you know, he he was a big jazz star. He he's he's originally from England, but he made a big career in Canada and then in New York, uh, also where he worked with my dad, who was known at the time as Whitey Mitchell. Later on, when he was a writer, he was known as Gordon Mitchell, but he's Whitey Mitchell and my dad, Whitey Mitchell, and Peter Appleyard uh had a a band together and they played at the old Metropole, which was a very famous joint ballroom in uh New York. It had been a strip joint, and the band had to play in like one line. It was kind of it was like a horseshoe. Well, you can imagine it was like a horseshoe thing they had going on. Anyway, they were they they were very, very close buddies, and they remained close buddies until you until my father passed away. He passed away many years before. So um Peter Appelyard's daughter, Susie Appleyard, is a very close friend of mine. You've met her many times. She's uh delightful gal. And um I knew that uh Peter was ill. He'd had back pain and nobody seemed to be, you know, solving it. And uh uh he was in excruciating pain nobody could control. I knew he was sick. What I did not know is how sick he was, that it was a cancer thing. And the family kept that uh quiet because Peter didn't want anybody to know. The last thing he wanted was a bunch of people parading up to his house and you know, he's he was an Englishman. He didn't, you know, didn't want that. It was a real stiff upper lip. So um uh when he was very, very In fact, I think Susie was staying out there at the farm where he was. I had I had an experience and I I don't I I'm gonna call it a waking dream. I don't know really how to describe it, but um I believe I was out of my body. Um so um I went to bed and I had this experience where I was suddenly uh sitting across the table from my dear dad at a beloved New York joint called PJ Clark's. My dad used to take me there all the time when I was a kid. It's open late, you can always get a burger, you know, it was a it's a it's still a beloved spot. Terry and I have been there, I don't know how many times, my husband Terry. Anyway, um, so I was sitting there at PJ Clark's, I mean, really essentially the age I am, and I was looking across the table, and my dad looked like it was 1956. He had the little the little the little tucks, little skinny tie, his little hair, and and I I didn't see anything wrong with this. It just all made it just all made sense to me. And he we were just talking and catching up and as if we had met for lunch beneath his office in Studio City in LA. It was it was so odd, but anyway, that's what happened. And then uh suddenly he says, Oh, and he looks at his watch, it looks at an old-fashioned I'm ex watch, and he says, I I I would love to stay I would love to stay here longer with you. Leslaud's his nickname for me, but I've got to go pick up Peter. I've got to go right now. And I said, Okay, dad, great. Um, so I'll I'll see you again soon. And my I saw my dad go out in his little tuxedo, I saw him walk out the door, PJ Clark's, and then bam, I was awake and I was sitting up in bed like this. I was sitting up. Um the next morning I found out from Susie Appleyard that Peter Appelyard had died during the night approximately approximately 2 a.m. at the time that I had this experience. Really? Uh and I believe that my dad went to pick up his friend.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

That sounds so possible, the stories that we've read about such things. Somebody greet you on the other side.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Oh yeah. And he probably had a lot of people greeting him on, maybe a whole band. Who knows? My dad was in his, as we say, his jobbing suit, like he was getting ready to go to it was like he was getting ready to go to the gig, and it was like I've got to pick up Peter for the gig. That was it, it felt like that. So whatever happened on the other side, it was joyous. And my dad was there, and my dad took a lot of trouble to give me that message so that I could reassure Susie, who was really uh deeply in grief about her father's passing for for a very long time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

Oh my gosh. I'm I'm just thinking, and I want to ask you a question about this too, but I was just thinking, I'm I'm so far removed from jazz as the moon is from the earth.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

But uh how high the moon. So there there's music. How high the moon.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

280,000 clicks, that's how high. Oh, yes. Anyway, um, I uh long, long, long before I met you, I think I was uh in my 20s, which seems today it seems impossible. I was I feel like I was born at this age, you know.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Oh my god, I know how weird it feels. It's when when I was in the 20s, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth. I mean, it in technology, it's it's it seems, you know, it's anyway. Carry on.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rotary phones, uh, you know, uh the whole nine yards, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:02

No remotes, no remotes, no seat belts.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

Oh god, remotes was the dial on the TV. That's a that's your remote.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

I had a stick that I put some sticky stuff on in the end, so I could.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

That's hilarious. The modern day remote.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

The ultimate laziness.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

So here I am in my 20s or maybe 30s. Now I'm sure I was dating someone, it happened back then, and um I wanted to impress them, so I took them to Apple Yards in Toronto.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

Did you really down on King Street?

unknown 26:37

Oh my, oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

Isn't that hilarious? And I thought, I'm into the jazz scene.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

God, yeah. Well, you know, do you think you saw Terry on that gig? He's he's uh he's older than you, but but he was all he was usually Peter's drummer.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

Uh totally unknown, but I just thought it was, and then I thought afterwards, wow, Appleyards, that's so cool. I went to Apple Yards, and I and I knew I knew Peter's name uh because he was the Toronto icon at that time.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Yeah, yeah, and he had a TV show, a local TV show.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Peter Appleyards saw that, but oh yeah, I did actually.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

It was called Peter Appleyard Presents, and I've seen some of these things. It looks hilarious. It looks like public access TV. I mean, I I think that they shot it. Terry told me they shot it upstairs at the Brunswick House.

unknown 27:26

At the Brunswick House.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

Yes. I think so. Maybe I'm mistaken, but anyway, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Hey, it could have been the Duke. It could have been. If you're not from Toronto, you won't get these jokes.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

Oh man. But you know, we do have a lot of pubs here, and they we have a lot of hauntings. We have a lot of hauntings going on right here in this town, in this berg. And in fact, um I'm uh I'm going with the um uh the new the new retweeted version of the Durham Ghost Hunters. I think it's called uh Experiencers International or something. It's not Experiencers International, it's something like that.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

Is that Susan's group?

SPEAKER_00 28:08

It's um um uh Shelly.

SPEAKER_01 28:11

Shelly, sorry. It's Shelly Shelly. You should mention her name and give her a little give her a little shout-out.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

I know. I would love uh uh Shelly is McConnell, right? Shelly um Shelly McConnell.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Is it not McConnell? I might be wrong. No, no, not at all. Well we're well you're checking on that. I would just say that um when I did go to McConnell. McConnell, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Shelly McConnell, and it's S-H-E-L-L-Y, and you can find her on Facebook, and she runs several, uh not only a ghost hunting um uh meetup group, but she also does a lot of spiritual um uh training and teaching, and also I believe she has a drumming circle, she's got all kinds of stuff going on. We had her on the show, we did, and she was just lovely. We talked about spirit investigation. So Shelly McConville is just a lovely person. If you have a chance to look her up, please do.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

Anyway, oh great, yeah. Glad glad that we mentioned that. Anyway, Apple Arts was one of my my highlights. I I'm sure I had a good job. I was making some decent money so I could go to a place like that and you know and try and impress somebody.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Well, I'm sure it worked. I'm sure you seem very erudite and uh sophisticated. Oh man. So um anyway, so tell me another story. Yeah, Wes. Tell me about something else that uh some other wild business that went on.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

So I got a couple. The third one's actually gonna scare some people for real, um, due to the nature of the story. So kids don't do this at home when I get to my third story.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

You're not gonna you're not gonna stick a bean up your nose or something, are you? Straw.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

Yeah, Mr. Bean style. Wow. Uh anyway, so I was um I was employed at a uh a news service, very young, very young, employed at news service, and I was involved in their uh classified ad department. You know, so sale, houses for sale, um cars, all that. So I was just a little cog and a big wheel. Um, but I got to see ad coffee in advance. And so um, picture me, I was 17. And I'm thinking back, who the heck was that guy? Anyway, so I was 17, um, and I saw this ad come in, and it literally said something to the effect of haunted house for sale. Haunted house for sale. It wasn't in Toronto, you do see that today, although real estate agents are there's a whole thing around that. I'm not gonna go into that. Maybe you can talk about it. Anyway, um at that point it's like haunted house for sale, and this lady was getting big press. This house was not in Toronto, it was northeast of Toronto in a little town called Lindsay. Oh okay, so northeast, I'd say an hour 15 here. Yeah, an hour 30. Anyway, um, so I I saw the ad copy before the ad was placed, and I uh stupidly, inappropriately phoned her and said, I'm not exactly an investigator. What an understatement. I'm not exactly an investigator at 17 years old, but I said, um, this is a serious interest of mine, and I take photographs and I have a good camera, which I did. Um, can I come see it? I actually asked her if I could see her haunted house.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

Oh my.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

So we agreed um to a date, and I had a little, you would have to call them a motor scooter, an underpowered piece of crap. Right? And Lindsay is normally an hour and a half. I just want to say what it is normally. So guess this, it was like it was like October, it was pouring rain. I had a little motor scooter, and uh, I took a trip to Lindsay and in blinding rain and uh at uh basically 40 miles an hour all the way. So other drivers were quite amused with me.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Oh so dangerous in the rain. Crazy.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

So so it took me hours. Yes. So I must have gotten there at 10 or 11, not like eight. So I get there at 10 or 11, a knock on the door, and it's this creepy old house in Lindsay. Nice, but creepy. And uh there's the owner of the house. She's the only one in the house. Uh, I guess uh you would call her then a middle-aged woman. Um and she let me in and uh uh lent me some clothes and put my stuff in the dryer, you know, nice lady, and and we we took a walk around the house. And she was explaining things as we took a walk around the house, and she really had me creeped out. She uh we sat in a darkened room. It's like, can't you afford lighting? You know? Yeah. It's like, do you have lights? Anyway, we sat in this darkened room and I sat very close to her, just a few feet away from her, and she went off on this rambling stuff about voices and who was buried in her backyard and stuff like this. And it's like, I'm not sure I'm ready for all this, you know. This is really weird. So we turned her house around, and it's getting around midnight or one o'clock. She said, Well, I'm going to bed, feel free to look around. It's like, okay, I didn't have courage then. I don't know if I have it now. I did not. So I'm looking around, there's creepy paintings on the walls and all this kind of stuff. Then um, I'm wandering around the second floor, I guess, and I came to an alcove. Um no windows, no doors, just an alcove where they you put a little hall table or something. And I just felt funny when I was near it. So I I stepped into the alcove and bang, traditional cold spot.

SPEAKER_02 34:17

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

100% not to do with temperature folks, if you've never heard this kind of thing. A traditional cold spot where spirits come and go. And that totally creeped me out. Totally creeped me out. So then I thought I've got to go downstairs and sit where there's a light on somewhere. And if there's a light on in her creepy basement where the dryer was drying my clothes. So I'm down there thinking, I've got to stay till morning. I've got to stay till morning, you know. And it's like, I'm not staying.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

No, no, you weren't. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

So I got um, I got my clothes out of the dryer. It was 5 a.m. I managed to stay till five. Got my clothes out of the dryer and everything, ran out, hopped on my little scooter, and came back to Toronto. And I was greeted by my then girlfriend um who was there sort of waiting for me to get there, and I just like plummeted asleep at that point. But that was my spooky little haunted house investigation.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

Oh my. So other than the, you know, the vortex or the, you know, other than that, it was just it was more atmospheric. There wasn't any actual, you know, any phenomena other than that, but but definitely it was a place that was primed for it.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

But and she was very she had a very eerie aspect about her as well. Even looking back, I know that is true. But yeah, so that was it. It was a true, it was a genuine cold spot, and it's maybe only I've only felt those three times in my whole life, I think.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

Yeah, yeah. Oh boy. Well, there was one in my in my mother's house that is now on the market to be sold, but I cleansed it. I went in and cleansed it. There was a there was a uh my mother's house in Los Angeles has an odd geographical thing where I feel there is running water underneath. And um I also um uh spoke with someone who else who was a sensitive, and and I think my mother's house is on a street called Grove Place. And if you look at the old um uh any old historical photographs of the area, indeed it was all citrus groves. Everything there was citrus groves. And a uh psychic told me in Los Angeles that she saw that that part of the uh of the grove or whatever it was um was a place where frequent santeria ceremonies took place.

SPEAKER_02 36:51

Oh really? Wow.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Yes, because they of course, you know, were they were of course, and this is no aspersion on the beautiful people of Mexico, but there is an indigenous, there is a religion, uh Santeria, which is a mixture, uh a mixture of uh of Mexican um uh what's the word, uh the pantheon of of of Mayan gods, but it also has to do with um, it comes really from Africa. It's a combination of Catholicism and African religions primarily, and that is Santa, and the the saints, the the Catholic saints, um actually in Santeria represent African gods. So it's it's I'm you know, I'm not gonna say that it's that it's bad or evil or anything like that. All I'm gonna say is it's an indigenous religion uh originally from Africa, mixed with Catholicism, but I do believe that they are they manifest deities or beings. I think like like voodoo in that respect, the objectives of voodoo is very much that kind of mix, right? Yes, it's it's again, you've got the af so this is a combination, this is very much like voodoo, but just more Catholic, but a but but a lot like voodoo. So anyway, whatever happened there, there were some spirit, there was some spiritual activity that I think punk punched a hole right through the dimensions. Because my mother's house, uh, I mean it had a it had a a fissure, a portal. Even my my son came in, he could feel it, my nephew could feel it. It was it was a cold that that went all the way down one corner of the house.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

And uh, kind of like poltergeist.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

Yeah, I think so, but I think in the end, it's just physics. I I I really think it's just a question of through the magical practices, magical and spiritual practices that that were that were occurring with great regularity for many, many years, the atmosphere became sensitized and and uh they may have been working on some type of uh deity transformation. Um I think in I'm I'm not sure. You know, that would be more more your you know more your area of expertise than than mine, but um some indigenous magics do do involve the calling in of a of a deity uh for some reason.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

Oh, definitely so. Um definitely so, and this is a good time of year to talk about that because Halloween is the thinning of the veils.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

And it literally is.

SPEAKER_01 39:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

It literally is the thinning of the veils. We know this. This is the this is the absolute history of of the holiday, is that the ancients knew that, that this was the time, the fall solstice was the time for great communication when when the physics of it worked the best.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

Well, I have not to detract from from the rest of that story if there's more, but I had a book I read a long time ago about voodoo, about somebody who um went to investigate it, basically uh to do her PhD, I think. Uh huh. About the voodoo gods. And um the voodoo gods, and I might be pronouncing this wrong, are called Loa, like L-O-A. And um, they are said to mount um um their, I don't know what to call them, subjects, believers, most fervent believers. They're said to mount them. And mounting them is basically taking control of their body, not maybe like an overlay.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 40:45

Um uh, but they dance till till they're exhausted. It's exalted state for them.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Yes, yes, indeed. That I I know that that is that manifestation is is is absolutely uh part of it. And uh, you know, they're whipping up the atmosphere and doing their thing, so it's bound to have repercussions. And uh anyway, my sister and I, the house has been cleansed, it has been painted, it's been carpeted, and my sister says, as in Walter Guys, this house is clean. So that's not like George W. Bush. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

Instead of that little uh actress who played that Zelda, oh god, but she was not Zelda Gilroy.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

Zelda, um, oh geez, what's happening to my brain? A few years ago, I would have come right out with that anyway.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

I I I don't remember her name, but we we can all just picture her uh wandering around the floor half the height of everyone else.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 41:46

Um clearing out the house.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Indeed. Indeed. Oh, she was great. She's great. Um, I did want to maybe talk about, you know, before I'm I'm not even aware of the time. We've been yammering. I uh is it is it about time for us to sign off, or we have time for another story?

SPEAKER_01 42:05

No, we got 10, 15 minutes, and I've got another story too. So I think we got time. I think we got time.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

Well, I've got one, and I know that I have never shared this with you, Wes, because I've barely discussed it ever. And um, it happened many years ago, and I was about 15, about 15 years old. And my friends and I, I had a great group of friends, and we were all in the theater department, and we were playing with the Ouija board all the time. And we had various entities, you know, speaking and conveying and and uh as you know, this is like uh I uh this is this is almost a cautionary tale in a way, because this is not something that that that one should do uh lightly. Uh the the Ouija board when doors are opened, uh it can, you know, astral trash, uh all kinds of opportunistic beings are able to come through and and and work it, and then you've then they're in. So uh please I urge there are all there are many other ways to communicate with spirit besides the Ouija board. And I don't know why it it tends to attract negative vibration. I don't know if it's mostly naive people who don't know what's happening are working it and and and opportunistic spirits know they can come through and cause trouble. I I don't know, but it seems to uh very little positive ever comes from a Ouija board, I would have to say. And um, in this case, you know, we were doing all kinds of stuff. So um I was I I went to high school in a community that was about an hour and a half north of Los Angeles, near the ocean called Camarillo, California. And um my my friends and I, my friend Claudia Davis and I wanted to go visit another girlfriend of ours in a little community called Santa Paula. Now, Santa to get to Santa Paula, uh, which was just a small farming community, I believe, uh, we had to drive across like a quite a gorge. I mean, it was a winding, uh, steep, uh, scary, it was a pass, literally, you know, and um I imagine in in in times before there were roads, uh, if you took if you were leaving Santa Paula, ultimately you would get to the ocean if you followed this pass. But anyway, we were going to Santa Paula. Now there was a um just as we were getting ready to go into the, you know, the the cutoff or whatever they called it, there was a uh a big, ugly place called Egg City. And it was, as you would imagine, it was uh it was um you know, um chicken farming, egg farming, uh at its at its corporate worst. I mean, you know, it was a big place and they probably had 50,000 chickens in there laying eggs. Who knows? But it was egg city and it was disgusting. So just as we rounded the corner towards the predictable egg city, my friend, uh my friend Claudia said, she said, Oh my god, my hair is just standing up on end. I've got chills all over my body. I I and that's the last thing I remember her saying to me because all of a sudden, bang, I was in another place in time. I was in that location, and I was watching a horrendous massacre of uh it was Native American peoples uh massacring what looked like religious people. They were dressed either as Puritans or Mennonites or it was the dark, the dark clothing with the white apron and the little and and I saw it as if I was watching a three-tone technicolor movie. I was completely transp I was completely transported into that space-time. And I saw all of this going on, and I mean this went on for a long time because the whole this whole horrible uh uh uh massacre that I was seeing uh was was where Egg City is now. So it was that locate it was a it was exact that's exactly where it happened. The land was playing it back, the atmosphere was playing it back to me as if I was I had a VCR or a and um oh I'm sorry, it's a little I haven't talked about this in a very long time. So of course it was terrifying. And my dear friend who was trying to drive, my dear friend Claudia, who was very um, she was like an empath. She didn't have the visual things I had, but she was feeling everything. And she could barely hold on to the wheel. Remember, she first the first sign that something was happening, she said, Oh my god, my hair's standing on it. So she was really the antenna. So somehow we got to to the other side of this pass because you couldn't stop. It was a narrow mountain road, and she pulled over and we just uh we just breathed, breathed. And uh I told her what I had seen. She felt the whole thing, uh, she had snatches of visions of native peoples, and she said she had some visual things, but she she didn't see it in the way that I did. And what what happened is the next time that we sat down at the Ouija board, which was probably a day or two later, a spirit came through who identified herself. Um, I believe her name was Annaline. Annaline, and she talked about how she had been she had attached herself to me because she saw me um as we were as we were coming by the terrible scene where all those where all those people were trapped in their death agony. And she saw me, she saw my light, or she saw us, and so for about a year she was around us because she was a teenager and and we could we communicated with her through uh the Ouija board, and then I eventually I believe that um her her parents came for her, her mother came for her.

SPEAKER_01 48:57

What a horrific scene that must have been. I mean, you were accessible, both of you were accessible.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

Oh my goodness. And you'd think did did the stars have to be in some kind of alignment? I'd like to ask your partner Anna about that because would there, you know, many sensitive people, maybe even psychics, drive by that place, drove by all the time. And why why did I see have this uh, you know, what what's the word, you know, uh uh not only free-tone technicolor, but you know, spectrovision. Why did I have this giant visdivision? Why why did I experience that?

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Um well I can tell you something without interrupting your story too much that you told me. Why why are alien life forms interested in me?

SPEAKER_02 49:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:52

I mean, we went through that, right? And the same thing's gotta hold true for you.

SPEAKER_00 49:55

Yeah, we don't we we don't really have an answer. I I I think that I had the antenna to to read what happened. Now, I think that probably in retrospect, there are many gifted psychics who could go to the spot and tune in and see the same thing. Oh you know what I mean? I I I think I think I think at least I think most of what I saw was like a tape recording, like the stone tape theory, an imprint on the atmosphere. I think there were some individuals who were stuck there, but certainly most of what I saw was a replay because the emotion, the emotion printed it on the atmosphere.

SPEAKER_01 50:44

Oh yeah, playback, houses that kill. Lots of cases of houses that play back.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

And there's nothing, nothing living there at that point.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

That's right. It's and it's why we often, you know, talk about residual haunts. Because residual haunts are residual haunts are really nothing more than a playback from the atmosphere. Um, and uh there's no consciousness, they're not an intelligent haunt. That's something else. But it was a terrifying thing that I saw. Now I seem to remember that I went to you know the library or whatever to see if I could find out if there had been uh such an incident uh recorded, because uh now certainly, you know, California was the Wild West, and we tend to forget how recent that is. And and and also that um the incredible amount of violence that went on, not only between uh so-called white settlers and and Native Americans, but also the Native American peoples amongst themselves. I mean, the Navajos and the Utes just about killed each other off. So, you know, there was a lot going on in the uh on the West Coast at that time. I believe that I saw that it was very underplayed in what I wrote, but uh it's I believe that I saw that it was a Mennonite which are Germans, they're related to the Amish, but they're it was a Mennonite community that was on their way to settle, you know, in the West Coast to find a place where they could have religious freedom. Um and and they um and they were uh they certainly didn't say massacred, but they said I think there was a some incursion and they didn't reach their destination. I believe there was some historical evidence that I found. But if anyone else knows anything about that, this was Santa Paula in Ventura County, and it all happened on the Santa Paula cutoff right at Egg City.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

I'll never this is something you can't forget. You know this name? I can never unremember it. I I wanted to ask you though about this episode. Do you think you would have experienced anything with any other person in the car?

SPEAKER_00 53:14

Well, now there you have it. My friend Claudia was such a sensitive herself and so empathetic, she had to be part of the whole the whole thing. She had to be she had to be. And and you get the combined sort of psychic energy of two teenage girls. That's very powerful. You know, teenagers most of the time are inciting all the poltergeist activity just because of their excess kinetic energy. I mean, Barry Taft, we've talked about that many times. He barely Dr. Taft barely accepts the idea that there is any spiritual uh consciousness involved with poltergeist activity, that it is most likely 99.9% of the time freewheeling kinetic energy, mostly coming off of teenagers.

SPEAKER_01 54:05

Our friend Mr. Physics.

SPEAKER_00 54:07

Mr. Physics.

SPEAKER_01 54:08

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 54:09

Mr. Jolly Physics, we should have him on. We should have we should have Barry on again soon. I I I miss his uh sardonic uh uh sort of uh uh disposition. We should have him on.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

He's a great guest, and maybe 50 years from now he'll go to video.

SPEAKER_00 54:28

I know. Barry has he has to call us on the phone because he doesn't like the the tech, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

But we like Barry. So we we his discussions are a hundred percent fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 54:43

Well, how many people have been the kind of psychic investigator that he's been when imagine they had an entire department at UCLA that was devoted to psychical research, the psychic research. I mean, uh it was an amazing time for him to be on the scene. And um, you know, I I think uh, and of course, Barry Taff, as as everyone knows, he was the not only was he one of the original investigators, uh, but he also wrote the book and was an advisor on the film version of the entity, as it was called, as it was eventually released, which was a very scary story of a discarnate uh entity of some sort and how he tortured a woman and her children.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

Very disturbing, very disturbing.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

True story. It happened, uh, it happened in a little house very close to MGM in Culver City, really happened. So, anyway, there we go. So, um how are we doing for time there?

SPEAKER_01 55:46

Well, I'm gonna squish in condensed version um because I think we're looking at five five to ten. Oh, so I'm gonna I'm gonna squish in a condensed version of a story, and um our viewing audience should know we have lots of stories. We got lots. Oh, yeah. Lots of stories. We're we're involved in this stuff, we're not voyeurs.

SPEAKER_00 56:07

No, no, and and some of this stuff just happens to us, so it's not like we even go out looking for it, it just happens. So um, anyway, lots of stories. So carry on, Wes.

SPEAKER_01 56:18

Let's hear the so short, yeah, short version, you know, cliffs notes, cole's notes, whatever country you're in. One of those two. Anyway, um, I um I have the good fortune of being connected with um a number of magicians worldwide. And uh who knows, maybe one out of all of them out there will see this show, but doesn't matter. Um so a couple came to play, came to Toronto to play um a few years ago. I'm gonna say 10. Um one was from California and the other was from Massachusetts. And um they came and they stayed in a hotel uh in Toronto, and we were just gonna hang hang for the weekend and and uh and talk magic. Talk magic and do magic. Yeah. So one of these friends had spent some time and he was running this by me for months before he ended up here um uh uh creating magical sigils. Or sigils, symbols, if you will. Yeah. Um so he had created some and he ran them by me and scanned them and showed them to me, and um and he started working with them and he claimed that they opened up dimensions, they opened up realms, and it's like I want some right. Uh we're we're uh where fools fear to go. What's the old song? Wise men and fools, I forget the song.

SPEAKER_00 57:52

Yeah, um where uh fools rush in, where wise men fear to go. Enough of me. Carry on.

SPEAKER_01 58:01

That's it, that's it. So so it's like, yeah, well, I I wanted to do that. So I I don't know how I convinced them both to come up um just for a weekend, right? Um, but they did. And so I spent a large portion of the weekend at the hotel. Um, anyways, at one point, it was I guess after dinner, we're sitting in their hotel room, small room, and um he wants to use one of these sigils basically um to call something forth. That's like okay. And so we sort of went into that mode, magical mode, and uh uh watched him uh do his thing, and uh sort of like drawing it almost on the floor, type of thing. But he but he had a paper copy of it as well. And uh it didn't take long when we felt something in the room, and I don't think any of us are prone to doing that, actually. Uh we're we're pretty seasoned even at that point. Pretty seasoned, uh, but we felt something in the room down near where the door was, and there was closets on one side. We all went down there at various times to try and sense what was there in it. This is a pretty creepy feeling, but that's all. And so then we're sitting back, I'm sitting on the bed, the two of them are sitting in chairs, and uh it's like just like waking up. It's like, what is that? And we all sort of felt something at the same time. We looked down toward the door, and I've only seen this twice, maybe coming at us was a wall of black. We had the lights on, um, it was just a wall of black uh coming at us, and it was just we all witnessed it at the same time, and it just moved towards us and moved right through us, and then it went away and it was like, oh geez. I mean, um, we'd all done a number of what you can call ceremonial rituals or different kinds of magic rituals I'd never, maybe once before, two, three decades before then ever encountered anything like that. Oh my gosh, so it was a hundred percent uh a hundred percent uh hair raising, and that almost never happens to me in the world of magic. Yeah, so it was really, really something. So kids out there, are you scared yet?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:18

Ooh. Do you did you did you have the feeling that it was an intelligence? Or do you think that you conjured up some kind of energy force just that was maybe just a you know, as we discussed earlier, some type of physics-related, kinetic energy related force, literally? Or do you did you sense an intelligence?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:41

I um this is a label I never use because I'm not involved in that kind of magic, but I never use this label, Menevolence. Oh and I never experience that in my magic. We we just don't normally.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:55

Well, you know, hotels are incredible havens for all kinds of weird stuff, and uh it could have been, you know, something opportunistic, something that was just there already that's you know, came to F with you. You you provided some energy for it to manifest, maybe. Maybe you created enough energy where something like that could could manifest in a certain way.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:25

Well, you know, that that easily could be. You know what comes to mind immediately, and we'll have to leave this for another time the Hotel Cecil.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:32

Oh in LA. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:34

Lots of stories, as we know, and a very creepy story about a Canadian who stayed there and was found dead in the water tanks.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:42

And and this is real.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:44

This is a real thing. And uh I myself have had some incredible experiences at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, especially before it was uh renewed. And and you know, our dear friend Lori Jacobson, uh who's a wonderful writer who has written the book, you know, haunted Hollywood. She she has fun. Oh, isn't she great? You know, now we need to send positive vibes to uh Lori and her and her dear husband because they there is a there are massive fires going on, and they live in Northern California, uh more cent like Santa Rosa, like central Northern California. And uh apparently they they have been evacuating, they have no electricity, and um, you know, it's it's very intense for these poor folks. So that's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:32

They cut off the power for a million people recently to to to calm it down. Yes, so all all the positive vibes going out to the folks.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:41

We wish them well, and we we have enjoyed, we had another Halloween show with Lori Jacobson. We have to have her back again because she's such a delight.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:48

She's got such stories.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:50

She does. Lori Jacobson and I, nobody did more extra work in the 70s than Lori and I.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:56

More than 300, I know you two go off.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

More than 300 films.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:02

When you two get talking, it's like I just sit back and enjoy.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:06

Bless her heart. Well, we want to wish all of our wonderful viewers and supporters uh out there a very blessed soin. Uh, this is, as we said earlier, this is Celtic New Year. This is a time of renewal. Anytime you choose can be a time of renewal. Anytime you choose. And it's very important now that we maintain a positive vibe, that we don't get caught up in paranoia and fear, because things are on the way to getting much, much better. That is absolutely true. And also remember, although I completely concur with all science, COVID is a virus, it will run its course. This is what viruses do. This is not how we're going to live forever. This is a temporary situation, and I think it's very important for us to keep that in mind. And uh, I don't want anybody becoming destabilized by isolation. So reach out. If you're feeling weird, reach out, just go outside, reach out, okay?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

And there's a lot of people and a lot of entities out there helping you, whether they're um from your own family, maybe they passed some time ago. There's all sorts of uh beings and entities reaching out to help us right now. Just be aware of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:29

Indeed, we're getting a lot of help, a lot of help. You know, I think many of the evolved beings that help us have a kind of a non-interference policy. Yeah, probably. They can influence us with love and positivity and healing, but we have to learn from our own mistakes. So um we're doing it. And so we wish everybody a blessed Sawin, a happy Celtic New Year. And in season 11, oh man, we got lots of great guests coming up. Um very uh very shortly. We're gonna have uh some old favorites join us and some new folks too. So tune in and remember to subscribe and also remember what's our catchphrase?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:11

We are not alone.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:15

All right, remember that you are not alone. We are not alone. Okay, folks.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:20

Happy Halloween.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:21

Happy Halloween, good night from Contact TV.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

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SPEAKER_00 1:05:27

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SPEAKER_01 1:05:30

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SPEAKER_00 1:05:50

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