Interview with AB Neilly - Sept 24, 2020

A.B. (Ana) Neilly is an astrologer, magician, teacher, tutor, writer, author, musician and more! 

We're thrilled to finally get her on the show, which focuses almost exclusively on astrology. 

Hopefully she'll come back for more episodes. In the meantime, we hope you'll stop by here to appreciate what she has to offer.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:33

We are not alone. You are watching Contact TV with your hosts Leslie Mitchell Clark and Wes Roberts. Exploring upology, metaphysics, and beyond with the world's foremost experts. Out there in Interweb Land, this is Leslie Mitchell Clark, co-host of Contact TV, and I am joined as always by my intrepid co-host.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Wes Roberts, however intrepid.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

We are intrepid, we are fearless. We are moving forward. And uh we are also like beyond excited because we have tried to have this wonderful individual on the show uh a number of times before, and it is finally worked out time-wise. And I am so pleased to introduce to you our guest for today, um, Ms. A. B. Mealey, who is not only an educator and an author, but she is also the founder of Promethea Press, which is a very forward-thinking, uh fascinating new publishing imprint, global imprint. But A.B. Mealey, and you may call her Anna if you wish, is also a gifted uh astrologer and politician. So we are really excited to maybe divert divert our normal, our more common stream of commentary to something that is fascinating uh in every kind of way I can think. So without further ado, I would love to welcome Anna, Ms. A. B. Neely to Contact TV. Hello, Anna, how are you?

SPEAKER_04 2:24

Hi, Leslie and Ro and Wes. I'm so happy of being here. I I feel honor. I mean, it's like, wow, I love your program. And it's like, oh, I'm going to be interviewed by them. It's so exciting.

SPEAKER_03 2:38

Oh, excellent, my dear. Well, we're so pleased to have you. And I know that both uh both uh uh Wes and myself have long been fascinated with astrology, and I think uh my own feelings about it is astrology goes much, much deeper than the the sort of surface thing that we see out and about in the media. And uh I know that there are lessons to be learned and there are all kinds of divinations because I believe we are born when we want to be born in complete symmetry with perhaps the chart that we maybe had a hand in creating. I don't know, but you know. So tell us. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 3:21

So uh I have been studying astrology for almost 20 years now, and uh I I have always felt that it was a very valuable tool. Uh and right now, uh uh this is the reason I have decided to go public. I think it's more needed than ever. Because we are in chaotic times.

unknown 3:44

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:45

So uh we have to apply logic to everything we do, that's good, but there are certain circumstances where we cannot apply logic. Like when you go out and you say, Okay, I'm going to meet with this friend, and suddenly you feel like discomfort, and you wouldn't like to go, but you don't listen to you. And maybe because you went in this particular bus, you got the COVID. So you are not learning to listen to your intuition. So maybe if you stopped and said, I'm going back home, I don't feel well. Maybe you are avoiding you getting sick, your family. So it's not only logic, it's also intuition. We need to learn to navigate through this wall of change.

SPEAKER_03 4:31

Fascinating.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

Oh, please go ahead. Uh I was mentioning to Anna the other day, she's turned my mind around, my head around in terms of the value and uh accuracy of uh astrology, uh, because she's able to say, Well, you're going through something because of one of your transits. I don't understand the language. That's that's Anna's thing, but that's just a small comment on uh how she's been able to convince me.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

Well, I think Anna, would you say that um understanding your astrological chart in no way takes away from your responsibility? No. Okay, sorry. Common misunderstanding, I think.

SPEAKER_04 5:13

Well, there is a there is an idea that we are the either we are determined, so we cannot make choices. Okay, so if I do a tarot reading or I know my astrological chart, then I know what's going to happen to me, so I cannot make choices, and then because of that, I'm going to do what I is going to happen to me, like the like the prediction that creates itself. So that's a misunderstanding at all. Uh astrology is a tool. So as time goes by, it has evolved. And it's very different, the kind of astrology you can, for example, find in India, that is it's very accurate to predict is because they can't even predict the moment you are going to die. Because this kind of society they live in, it's a very predetermined society. You have a society where if you have a lot of Aquarius, Uranus, and you are a woman, you are going to be doomed because you are going to be to want to be free and you will not accomplish the rules they want you to follow. So you will have a lot of problems. So it's very easy to predict a personal life in a very established environment. So that's one way you can use astrology, but that's not the way I'm interested in. Because the kind of society we live in is very changeable. You can you can choose how you want to live. So why would I want to know what's going to happen to me? I don't want to know that. What I want to know is how can I be free of the constraints of my life. I was talking with Georgina Cannon the other day, and we were talking about what took him to her to hypnosis, and was that 90% of our of our movements every day are subconscious and repetitive. So astrology can help you to see what is the subconscious pattern you are following. We humans are predictable because we are following subconscious patterns that we have inherited.

SPEAKER_03 7:26

I see. Well, that makes an awful lot of sense. So would you say, Anna, I know that you you touched on this briefly, there are there are different schools of astrology out there in the mix, uh, you know, Chinese astrology, um uh Is Is everything, are all of these astrologies or systems are they agreeing upon the constellations and the movement of the constellations?

SPEAKER_04 7:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

Ah.

SPEAKER_04 7:57

No, I mean, they see different patterns.

SPEAKER_03 8:00

Different patterns, but the same cosmology, if you will.

SPEAKER_04 8:05

No, it's different because every culture creates a different pattern and they have different uh they have different archetypes. You know, I I do a lot of astrological charts to people from Japan, and sometimes there are things they then that doesn't work the same for them as for us.

unknown 8:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:25

So there are there are certain configurations that are problematic for a woman. For instance, when you have a lot of Neptune with moon, and and women can be felt trapped by their mothers in Japan because they have this strong relationship with their ancestors, for them, there is no problem there. Yeah, it's just something nice. I have a good relationship with my mother.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

But same planets and same thing.

SPEAKER_04 8:52

So that tells us that it depends how you face the kind of energy you have. You can work with it or you can evict it.

SPEAKER_03 9:01

Perfect.

SPEAKER_04 9:02

But and then there is another issue with astrology that I think is uh, I mean, um as human beings, we have learned to control, to control the environment, to control ourselves, to control others. We don't really relate to the rest of the world uh as beings, other people, with their own ideas, with their own uh with their own uh needs, etc. We just see at the world and see what can I get from this when I meet you, Leslie. Well, what are you going to give me? How can I take advantage of this? So that's what the technological mind that we have evolved, and it's great, has tell us is telling us, but we need to evolve a new different kind of mind that is that of the link.

SPEAKER_03 9:57

I see.

SPEAKER_04 9:59

So when we establish a link with uh a person, it's not just my natal chart, it's your natal chart, and now they are they are uh evolving together, they are moving together, and then uh that those two natal charts are connected with the natal charts of my ancestors and your ancestors, of the culture, of the country you live in, with the stars that are right now. So it's like a web of connections, interconnected, where you don't really know, you discover that you don't really know where you start and when the other person starts. Where where is the limit of personality? Is there something that's individual personality? So it's it's uh what I really love about astrology is that trains the person to start connecting with the universe, not from the technological mind, but from the full being that is part of something that is more mysterious. I mean, this started because somebody looked up, and you cannot have this kind of experience in a city. But when you go to a desert, when you go to the to a place where there is no light, and you look up and you look at the sky, you feel how little we are. It just puts you in your place. It's like indeed and and and that sense of mystery, you can train it in your daily life. You can learn to see the signs. You you I mean, I I I think that the Notar chart, it's it's it's uh it's a tool to develop our senses so that we are able to wake up in the morning and say, oh, today is a Mercurial day, so I'm going to loot a lot of reading because that's the current of the day.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

Yeah. So if this is a way like meditation and many other disciplines to kind of put you in the in the flow, I mean, a proper interpretation of your astrological issues would be putting you in the flow, making you aware. Now, I know that in Chinese astrology, are we talking really more about generational planets and stuff? Because you know, there are these long periods of time. I I forget how long it takes for them to move through their um uh their uh their figures of of astrology, but I know that it has to do more with years. So, you know, just for example, my my partner and myself are the same um Chinese astrological sign, and we are most of the time, well 99.9% of the time, it's all the 1% where there was a bad thing. But most of the time the 1%, most of the time we are completely temperamentally aligned. So, and I would imagine that were you to do our respective natal charts and maybe a progressive, I think that's what it's called, you would probably see that same alignment in perspective in our traditional astrological charts as well.

SPEAKER_04 13:26

Well, when you when you meet with a person and you establish a bond with that person, it's because you have planets that are aligned. This is a this is a matter of vibration. Yes. You know, if you maybe I I don't know if you have had this this experience, like somebody has talked to you about somebody, and you think this person is gonna be really amazing to meet, and then you meet, and you don't have anything to say uh together. And then you leave and you forget about that person forever, and you never meet her again or or him again. Well, if you look at the two Notal charts, you can you can say there are no alienation between their planets, there is no common vibration, and that creates there's no interest, there's there is no energy there to meet to create the bond.

SPEAKER_03 14:21

So people who are individuals who are um in specific, and we'll just talk about sun signs for the moment because it's the easiest thing to do. It's far more, I know Anna, it's it's extremely complex someone's chart. But in the generalized sun signs, um I always feel attracted to the same astrological people, mostly Leos. And I am an Aquarius, and in fact, that is the designated compliment. It's a reference. My husband is a Leo. Now also my my mother, who uh was uh really challenging, is also a Leo. So not only do I attract Leos in my friendships, my husband is a Leo, but I have been made to or not been made to, I have in my chart faced a Leo of lower type. So it's all it's it's a lot of Leos, and I guess you would expect to see that with most aquarians, or does that make me a little unusual?

SPEAKER_04 15:32

Well, the sunsh the the sun the sun sign is not determined doesn't determine what you like or what are you going to to meet. Normally we feel attracted and at the same time we don't like the people from our uh rising rising sign.

SPEAKER_03 15:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:51

The rising sign. So I don't know which one is your rising sign.

SPEAKER_03 15:55

Leo, actually, oddly.

SPEAKER_04 15:59

That's it. Because the Leo is an energy that you have in your life, but you haven't evolved yet. So you attract a lot of people with those characteristics because you need to develop it yourself.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

Oh wow. That's very so I so I would need really need to be more assertive and place myself in a primary position, which seems to be very effortless for many Leos.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

It's not just that. Uh I mean, uh you have when you when you look at the science, you have uh like a way of of playing the science that is less evolved. Like it's it's it's more unconscious, and then there is another way that is more it gives less problems.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

I see.

SPEAKER_04 16:58

So the the Aquarius, no, it's just a start in the middle of other stars. Aquarius has this feeling of not belonging, yeah. Aquarius has the the the the the we are feeling that is always the weird one, the one that speaks too much or too little, or or or is too tall or too short, but it's like you are not always like the rest of the people. But Leo knows I am the center, has this feeling of center. So the the real evolution of the science as was you are able to be both at the same time because the contraries, one of the things you learn to think about with astrology is the contraries. I'm going to put you an example of that. So, Taurus. Taurus is, you know, it's it's a beautiful mammal who is always on the sun, eating grass, you know, it's like the sign of accumulating life, of getting life through foods and feelings and sensations and being happy in this life and not to have to worry about anything, you know, about the physical, everything. And then we have the opposite that is Scorpio. Scorpio is death, it's power, it's passion, it's fight, it's going into the deep of human consciousness to gather the the yule that is under the shed with but that's very so. How can you see Taurus under the sun and a scorpio there on the dirt? You know, and think it's the same. Well, well, uh think of what's eating the Taurus, he is eating grass, that's the death of the grass. Where did come the grass from? From the dirt. So you start to see like the life cannot live without death, and you start to see that both are the same, and you see the connection. And when this happens, there is something that happens in our brains that we see it with clarity. But then an hour after this talk, you are going to think about this and you are going to say, uh, yeah, they are the same, but I don't see it. You have to do again this logical thinking to get to put them together. Because our mind thinks different contrary things are different things.

SPEAKER_03 19:42

I see. Well, I'm gonna ask you probably a very basic stupid question, but I think it's a question that many of our listeners might might be interested in. Now, in in the realm of uh past life regression, you know, I do a lot of that kind of work. It seems that people uh to me are born in the same astrological side many times. Now some people believe that you uh work your way uh around uh the zodiac as you uh develop. And indeed uh it seems to me like many Aries people that I have known are very new souls and very ego-based. And if if I have a conflict with any anyone in the zodiac, it is invariably with Aries people because they are like the children of sour. And they have such a, in my mind, an ego-based perspective. But again, that's just my perception so far. Is this a is this a thing? Do you believe in incarnations that we move through the zodiac to have different types of experiences? Or is is our place in the zodiac just a part of our soul uh identity about who we uh are at our core and at our essence?

SPEAKER_04 21:06

Well, that's a very interesting question because uh first uh sees evolution as something linear. Like you started at Aries and you end evolution at Pisces. But don't forget, after Pisces is Aries. We are talking about a lineal system in astrology.

SPEAKER_03 21:26

A non-lineal system, okay.

SPEAKER_04 21:29

We are talking about a circular system. I think that the movie that talks better about what this makes to you makes to your brain is arrival. I don't know how you have oh, yes, yes. So there we have a circular system of thinking that changed the minds and allows you to see the future, and that's precisely what astrology is.

SPEAKER_03 21:48

Oh, brilliant.

SPEAKER_04 21:50

It's a circular system of thinking that allows you to see out of time. Yes, so we perceive time, so uh I think that. uh reincarnation is not something lineal and uh for example uh um uh i think that we we have some kind of perception of out of time our our whole being that somebody calls the daimonic self they hide their self uh at it see it's it's out of time so you create your reincarnations picking up what you need to have a whole version of everything so you could stand star being a Pisces and but there is no start that's the issue our language doesn't have it's like can you imagine like somebody and a lot of spheres and I pick 2000 spheres from different perspectives different times different planets maybe different dimensions and then I have a whole picture of what existence is so one of the uh one of the things that um when we think about this going out of the lineal and and and and it's it's about our connection so uh one of the things that people say against astrology is how is it that planets affect us? I don't know if planets affect us. I think that we are all dancing the same dance and we look at the planets because the planets are those who who have a more predictable movement.

SPEAKER_03 23:43

Right.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

But they all uh I mean the Greeks used to predict looking at the movement of birds. So I mean we couldn't do that because we don't have the same species it's very complicated to use the same system but the stars are still the same. They are conscious ancient Greeks yes so we can use them as a as a I mean the same time the same way we use the stars to navigate through the sea we can use the stars to navigate through our experience and through um astrological astrological progression we can know what eras were informed by different signs.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

For instance I think it's pretty much accepted now that the Great Spring which was not originally the the phase of you know what's it saying it was it was a line phase that had to do with the era of Leo that was coming and and of course we're talking now for study the planetary progressions we know what when that was we know that was 12,000 years ago or whatever. So it's all the objections most of adhered to an astrological system Wes do you you're you're so knowledgeable about ancient Egypt did you have you seen evidence of astrology in your Egyptian studies?

SPEAKER_02 25:14

Yes definitely to an extent and to some entities that might manifest some attributes of the planets as well um and I just wanted to make a comment to what Anna said a little bit earlier. So I suppose that you join this life in progress not at a static point.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

Well that's a very interesting question and we tend to see us as the center of the universe okay we see time as something inert something that has it's just there to use I have half a minute or 10 hours to do this job. But my point of view is that time is quality and time in this species in the earth not only us but all the species that are flourishing in the earth whether we are just the the the last for the moment manifests in different products and we are one of those products so there is a moment in time you know the day you were born that had these particular qualities you know they had uh you know a lot of power because of Aries a lot of intelligence because Mercury on Gemini blah blah blah and then that point that would have come and gone manifested in Leslie manifested in West manifested in Anna and those moments of time are now interacting with the rest of the moments that are coming every second are interacting with other moments of time and we can see how that interaction sometimes is very difficult when you see the difference between generations.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

Oh yeah well this is really a quantum entanglement thing that you are talking about. You're talking about quantum relationships here. And I you know and and of course you know coming from my perspective I would take that into the interlife of you know what what we are doing and planning before we come into the dense physical reality and uh because it's fascinating the astrological makeup of families and that to me is fascinating what your mother my mother again your mother, your father I am blessed because my siblings and I are just all compatible. We're all on the six pair side my sister town is a is a is a is a le is a Libra and my late brother was a Gemini we were just almost like one person. I now understand that that's a little bit unusual that more commonly siblings have diverse minds and um there may be conflicts or things to learn or lessons to learn you both have a lot of siblings Wes you have four I have uh living I have living two sisters you have now living two sisters and lots of nephews and nieces are they in would you say there are astrological patterns there? Do you remember your your mother's astrological sign? It was uh a September baby the 14th Virgo yeah so uh three of us um no sorry two of us were born in August uh Debbie and myself were born in August two days apart so sorry three of us but Susan at the end of August is a different signal but on the but on the cusp no doubt yeah so out of that so there could be as many as three Leos among your siblings that would be very interesting and Anna now you have siblings I know your one of your dear sister is passed my dear brother is passed how was the breakdown in your not the breakdown poor word how did it work out in your family astrologically well when I look at the families uh I don't see the sun signs because the sun sign is just a tiny bit yeah it's it's just like comparing medicine to take a cup of chamomile tea okay a chamomile tie can't calm you but it's not everything that medicine is about so when you look at the astrology about the sun sign it's just a little fragment of it so what you can see in the families is that there is a very strong subject that is always the theme in every member of the family.

SPEAKER_04 30:11

A theme yes and that theme can appear in the sun sign can appear in the moon sign can appear in the rising sign can appear in in in in certain configurations you know a very strong Neptune or a very strong Pluto for example the Kennedys have a very strong Pluto configuration. Oh maybe they are not all Scorpio but they have a Pluto with the sun or Pluto in a first house that makes them to want a lot of power and to be victims of that power because so it's it's about uh family configurations not just about the sun sign. I see in my family it's the the the theme of Aquarius of freedom of of uh uranus and also Neptune like uh there is a lot of that sim in my family and it's it's very very very strong and you can see how the same confusion and my sister and me who are the best friends we speak by phone every day we both have the moon in the same degree of Gemini oh so Gemini's communication we need to communicate that's that's feeling feel feel safe so we we speak with each other and it's just absolutely agreement on everything because we have the moon in the same exact degree conjunction so it's like the best friends ever. Yes so this this is this is something and about would you what you asked before about Egyptians and ancient people oh I I think there is uh there is a p there is one of the on the on the ceiling of some palm yes there are pictures of the zodiac but the zodiac is represented with the with the Egyptian gods. With Egyptian symbols as as as as with the Greek they represented the zodiac with the Greek gods. Yes indeed so that's that's how how it works in the different civilizations but yeah I mean it's it's uh looking at the at the stars to see what's going on and what's gonna happen and how things are going that's a normal practice in in every civilization you look at so I don't think that we are all crazy.

SPEAKER_02 32:37

No I am and I wanted to ask you something real practical for our viewers uh because uh you've already opened the door to this topic which is consultations um I I know you've done consultations when I've been around obviously I'm not in the same room and I'm not listening in because it's a privileged client privilege thing um but what I think you've uh indicated to me not not telling anything about your session is that it takes a few minutes or a half an hour in before you strike a chord uh with that client before you find uh her or his common ground so uh I'm curious to see if you can tell potential clients people that want to come to you how a session works well the kind of astrology I work with is transcendental trans transcendental astrology so the idea is we are connected to what happens to us what happens to us is part of who we are so uh when you have certain events that repeat always the same it's not just because you are psychologically looking for them it's because there is something there that you are rejecting of yourself.

SPEAKER_04 33:56

So uh through astrology we can deal with the daily problems looking at the astrological qualities and seeing what they have to say about our own evolution so uh in my in my astrological consultation it's not like the traditional one you know I have gone to astrologers and many of them is like hello how are you okay you have uh moon in Gemini and this is this you have Mars in in this and this is this and Neptune here and this is this and then you go out there with a a bunch of papers and and you look at that and you say but this is contradictory with this and I don't really know what I was told just like it's it's very difficult to understand what we are talking about. So they kind of not all astrologers there are astrologers out there that are really good but probably I have been with a few that were not so good. Yeah marginally trained so but um what I do is to talk with the person and see what's your problem what's going on with you and then according with what's going on with them right now we see what pattern you are repeating and then we can see what you need to change that pattern. First you need to realize what's going on and in our consultations there is a point that happens in any therapy although I don't do therapy it's just consultation but it happens in anything that heals uh that is the the the the person who is there laughs this nervous laugh that this is right okay because I'm seeing what I was not seeing before. And then through astrology you can try different techniques that have to do with um sometimes it's counterintuitive because for example if you have problems with your daughter or son and they are little sometimes it's because you are not accepting your own energy. So this child is is is expressing this energy in a disruptive way because you are not accepting so I if you change your own energy then you can change the energy of the child. For example I know the the case of a couple who had a child that was was very nervous all the time a lot of aquarius there you know and and he was very nervous you know jumping around they didn't know how to control him he wanted to jump out of the of the windows and and and they had to have a lot of stress to protect him and they went to the astrologer and he said okay so this is an Aquarius problem a Uranus problem so you have problems with your freedom and that's the reason your son wants to get free so is there anything you would all you have always thought you wanted to do but you haven't allowed because you thought it was silly and the couple said well we would like to go dancing and they went dancing and suddenly the child was more happier he was not so distressed because there was a good movement not against this energy but canalizing this so it's it's uh there are not recipes you know it's in the interaction with the client where this the answers come and it's not it's not easy it's it's sometimes it's it's it's it's a part of uh science astrology is a part of science and a part of divination and and at the end it's an art yes so if you could take all the elements and you put them together it some of them are completely contradictory. So you need to see how this plays in the person how is it for you you know I I first person I studied with was uh Jesus um Jesus bueno in in in Tenerife and he always told us this is how for example Venus this is Venus Venus is the planet of kindness of what you like and if it is in Scorpio is this and then he would turn to us after making all the explanation and that would he would ask us how is this for you because every person has a personal view of how this energy is working in their life and that's what's what's what matters to me to know how it's working on you and how can we make that good for you and how can we make that less painful because unfortunately there are people who have really hard not charts to work with and they have written and they have written them that way yeah and they they have this this is this is part of our common evolution this is not a person. We are talking now that we are in a moment in consciousness that we are have we are now everybody's Leo we can all go to YouTube or to a podcast and be the protagonist for 15 minutes or 10 minutes or five minutes. We can all be protagonists and that's that's we have achieved that and that's our peak as human consciousness as a species but we cannot continue being Leo and not considering that we are part of a system so the next step in the evolution is to become Virgo and Virgo is the planet the the sign of we are all part of a system not as humans but with the earth with the with the air with plant with plants with everything that we do is part of a system inside our body and COVID is is giving us this this this message so strong we are all part of a system what you do can affect other people's lives as other people's uh behavior can affect my life so it's it's it's part of the message that we are going to be receiving from everything in the universe from now on so COVID is just one more message in that direction we are not alone we are part of a system yes we are part of a system that not only connects us with the air it connects us with the planet with the entire galaxy with the universe we are we are information beings that are able to get information for more and more and more places and the more our commune community evolves more open we are going to be to alien species to to interdimensional travel but first we need to stop thinking that we are at the peak of the universe and the longer indeed no we're we're not even as Randy Kramer would say we haven't even been accepted as a class one society.

SPEAKER_03 41:52

So you know we are we're moving along we're moving along but in keeping in keeping with what you were talking about as far as a nonlinear uh uh quantum system um I I think it's um I think it would be fascinating though I don't know if this is possible do you ever explore indications of past lives through an individual of course it's all happening at once but through an individual chart can you see those kinds of predispositions of previous lifetimes?

SPEAKER_04 42:26

Well there is an aspect I haven't studied that uh personally but there is an aspect that is traditionally related to the past lives that is the nodule the north nodule and south nodule so it's it's more like uh and also Saturn is set that is related to past lives uh so uh then then the north nodule is like where you are going in this life what is your purpose for this life and the and the south nodule is where you come from right and they those are opposites yes so and those are tip oh I'm sorry go ahead Anna no that's that's uh basically what I know but I haven't really gone deep deep into the past lives uh in astrology there is a lot of uh literature about this subject this is something I would indeed well I have no doubt that those nodes you know show up and are are important but the the point is I think that you have been making to to just do it is that this is really astrology is really the art of of understanding what our subconscious friends and then going to a single process of activating not activating the things that we don't want to activate and accumulating the things that we don't want to act.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

To activate, in other words, really making new neural patterns.

SPEAKER_04 44:06

Yes, yes, totally. And the most important thing here is to realize that we are a whole. So we tend to say, This is what I like of me. This is what I'm going to develop. This is what I don't like of me. So that let's let's get rid of it. And astrology tells you this that you don't like is precisely what you are. So start accepting that. And when you accept the things that you don't like and the things you like, you start to develop a different view of how can I manage all the energies and not divide myself with against myself.

SPEAKER_03 44:50

Indeed. And you know, sometimes a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. For instance, I I never went to a decent, overly skilled astrologer. I did have a natal chart down who told me some things, and I carried a belief that um moon and Capricorn absolutely indicated an absent of uninvolved father. So I saw it as a negative thing. Now I had one talk with you casually, and you simply said, well, yes, that can be that, but it can also be this. And you told me about the the potential positive implications that Moon and Capricorn could have. And it's like, well, so what? My dad wasn't around, so what? You know, I'm not really concerned about that right now. That's a fact. But what's important is how I take this these predispositions, these talents that are being shown to me, and then to stimulate them beyond the cold hard fact, as it were. So that's something that anybody could do if they went to a qualified, uh, wonderful astrologer like uh yourself. Uh they would be able to see beyond um the obvious because it's all it's a question of degrees. I'm no expert, but as I understand it on a you know, uh a planetary influence, it's it's all about how it's aspected, how many degrees are involved. So just oh, your your moon is in Capricorn is is uh not really saying all that much.

SPEAKER_04 46:38

Yeah, yeah. Well the moon, yeah, exactly. It's it's a lot of elements that are in your charts, and you need to look at those that are repeated. Uh the moon, particularly, it's very important because as a species, we are still in the moon.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

Yeah, we're lunar.

SPEAKER_04 46:55

We we long for home to go back. We want security, we don't want change, we want love, we want the a God that loves us. We want we are still in the womb of the mother. We want to be there. That's what we want. And as a species, we need to leave the moon. But the moon that gives us security, that security gives us with how the circumstances of our childbearer was. So if we grown into a family that was always fighting, we will feel safe fighting. If we grown in a in a family in a house that was very cold, we probably will be affected by cold, but we will have our home very cold. So it's it's a lot of little things, and and that's that's when we are we are in the moon, we are protecting ourselves. And when we are protecting ourselves, we don't have enough energy to go out. So uh certain moons, uh like the moon in a in a in in Capricorn, gives uh the the impression that the person is very a child is very mature. Um and when they grow up, they are they look very mature, but still they are a child. So it's it's it's it's a conscious of what makes me feel safe, how do I get out of there and take the qualities that this moon is giving me? And and that's that's and and and for example, as a species right now, uh there is a strong uh subject that I want to share with the people who have seen this with you, that is uh on the on the one hand in March, there was this conjunction of uh Pluto and Jupiter. So that meant a lot of death, people, and in Capricorn, but it's on a quality level, it means uh that there is a huge uh shatter of the structure that is holding us together. So governments are going to be put into a difficult spot during this time, and they are going to be shattered, and those who are not strong enough, they are going to die, they are going to fall down. The governments as a whole, the the idea of government, how we how we evolve, etc. etc. That's one thing, and as uh and the other theme is Saturn uh Uranus. These two planets are in quadra in quadrangle right now, and that means that there is a theme right now that is limits between freedom, limit and freedom. So this started in June, and in June, people started to get out of the being inside homes, they get started to go out, young people started to go to parties, you know, because they couldn't accept the limits, so they would go to get their freedom. So it's it's this this strong uh energy is going to put people either in one uh size or the other. So you have people who are totally following all the instructions that their government says or or totally denying everything that is being said, and you have both sides, and and and then uh what can you do with you as an individual? Because you have these strong currents, you know, and there are people put your mask, the other no, don't put your mask, or or things like that. So, what can you do is to when Saturn is implicated, you need to accept the limits. That's one thing that we have a lot of difficulties as a species. We need to accept our individual limits.

SPEAKER_03 50:58

Yes, we must.

SPEAKER_04 50:59

If you have uh a chronic illness, evidently you cannot go to a party in this situation, or you have somebody who has that in your family, but at the same time, Uranus is there, so it's an opportunity to find our freedom. What is your area of freedom that you were not able to explore before because of the kind of life we had? Can you put that freedom, that area of freedom inside your life right now? Because that's what this time can give you an opportunity to do.

SPEAKER_03 51:40

Indeed.

SPEAKER_04 51:42

So that's that's uh one of the most important lessons for me as an individual that I wanted to share because it's it's uh it's important to find our own need of freedom and give some kind of uh way of making that real. So if you cannot out with friends, can you create a special group with your friends that can you do something like telepathic connection? Or you know, it's it's it's a time to be a little crazy. But can you be crazy without breaking the limits that could put your life in danger? So that's creativity.

SPEAKER_03 52:29

It is well, that's why we need aquarians. That's why we need Aquarian people, because that's our fortune. Creating freedom, a feeling of freedom. And and the reality is you cannot have any greater freedom than traveling the universe in your own mind. And one thing I will say is with this whole situation since March, I've been able to get back into my program of meditation. And I mean, you know, who needs ayahuasca as far as I'm concerned? I don't need anything that strong or that fast.

SPEAKER_02 53:09

Um I just want to.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

I'm like a rambler. I'm like a rambler American from 1966. I'm just going along and meditating, but but that is is completely right. This is this is again, you know, a personal responsibility. We are given information and we have the free choice to use it to make ourselves happier and and uh more productive and more creative, or we can take a small blindered view and simply say, well, you know, it's genetics. Well, guess what? Genes have to be activated. You can come in with a pattern of something that may be extremely negative genetically, but how you live and what you do and how you acknowledge it and where you put it determines whether or not those genes actually become activated. So everything is a challenge, a multi-genet uh multidimensional challenge of Anna, I believe. I agree with you. And um and yet, you know, we we are all we are all wanted. You said this is a these are important systems that are common to every sophisticated culture. And so we must also accept that these systems came to us from the antideluvian civilizations uh that that populated this earth. But of course, we have global amnesia. That's another, that's another talk, another talk for another time. But Annam, oh my goodness, thank you so much for um illuminating us. And please tell us. Now I know you're also teaching, so please tell us about everything you're doing and how people can get a hold of you.

SPEAKER_02 54:57

Yeah, especially that.

SPEAKER_04 54:59

Okay, so uh you can find me on Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram with A B Nealy. So it's easy. And I have a web page, but I'm working on that and it's not finished, so you can enter there and you will find a lot of links that don't work. Sorry for that. But it will be ready in a few weeks. And um also I have a novel that is coming that is called Kalala with my my publishing company Promethea Press that is open to anybody who has something interesting to say about these chaotic times. And um and I am also preparing a series of books about astrology and magic. So, how can we connect with the universe through the vision of astrology and the tools of magic?

SPEAKER_02 55:50

So we gotta go on to a part two, do you think?

SPEAKER_04 55:53

I think, I think we must.

SPEAKER_03 55:55

I think we must.

SPEAKER_04 55:57

I would love to. This was so wonderful. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_03 56:03

Wonderful, Anna. We will have you back real soon to speak further, especially, you know, as people go through these uh these challenging times, we can turn this around and look at it as a chance of a personal evolution. Because the science of astrology is completely in line with everything that I uh know about hypnotherapy and the subconscious and psychology. This is this is a uh a wonderful informative system, maybe designed to give us information so that we can progress as a people. Why would it be here if we weren't supposed to know?

SPEAKER_02 56:49

So we're gonna stay online after the recording, but uh maybe Leslie, you want to wind us down in your usual way.

SPEAKER_03 56:59

Well, I just want to thank the wonderful A.B. Neely for joining us today and discussing the um incredible um uh uses and implications of uh the ancient divination of of astrology. And maybe we'll talk about the tarot a little bit. We didn't get into that too much, but I want to talk about that next time. And of course Wes Roberts, thank you so much for co-piloting as always. And uh remember everyone out there, we are not alone. And we're gonna sign off from Contact. We'll see you again soon.

SPEAKER_00 57:36

Bye now.

SPEAKER_01 57:38

Bye.

SPEAKER_00 57:45

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SPEAKER_02 57:48

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SPEAKER_03 58:08

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