Dive Deeper into The Tarot Of Crossed Destinies

welcome seekers 

Today we are joined again by Andrea Aste, creator of the Tarot of Crossed Destinies. In this episode he reveals a hidden artifact from the Castle itself…

This was a live episode so to keep the magical and authenticity there was minimal editing 

Artifact of the Castle — The Hall of Elsewhere.

Long sealed in silence and shadow, the Hall of Elsewhere is the Castle’s most carefully guarded secret. This limited-edition tarot card is bound to that mysterious chamber, tracing its hidden geometry and carrying its magic and symbolism.

Only 100 artifacts will ever exist, with 80 reserved for the Kickstarter.

Step into the mystery with us as we explore the secrets behind the Castle and the magic of the Tarot of Crossed Destinies

Listen to his amazing journey with the cards laughs and fun stories along the way 

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andreaaste/the-tarot-of-crossed-destinies?ref=project_email_share

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https://www.andreaaste.world/en-us

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:13

Okay, so we are live. Hello everyone.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

Hello everyone. Hello Morgan and Love and hello everyone that is listening or watching then the recording. What a moment. What an historical moment. What a fun. Let's have some fun.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Yes, definitely. I am so excited.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

Because we have to solve some mystery and there are an exploration to go on to.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

So yes.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

And because I mean the castle will disappear in 11 days. So is it the last days of the Kickstarter campaign? So it's wow, quite an ex already one month is already passed. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

I know. I know. I can't believe that. I'm just sharing this everywhere. I yeah, I can't believe how fast it's gone, but also being able to explore everything on Kickstarter, because everyone can do that. You've got your cards, you've put so many amazing posts. And I was gonna say I like that because as someone who should probably stay off Kickstarter, but I'm on way too much. Nobody ever updates you, so I love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

I mean, for me, I mean, I have to do something, I have to say something that for me is really important and is really special. Uh, during the Kickstarter campaign, I talked with lots of people. I received tons of direct messages, comments, public comments about Calvino, about the castle, about his book, about the philosophy behind the uh the deck, uh, the Tower of Cross Destiny. I mean, a lot of stuff. But few people were talking about buying the deck, buying the deck. And every time I have my I have a very strange feeling, and they said, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. On Kickstarter, you don't go to buy, you go to support, you do, you go there to be part of community, to help um a project to be alive, uh, to be to be printed, to be realized. And it's not buying, it's being part of a project, a community, is knowing that your efforts will help someone else to create a dream, to realize something is different. Then there is a dialogue, because things can change during the Kickstarter campaign, and a lot of things change. I mean, what I was about to say, I will the secrets is something that I never thought about before during the Kickstarter campaign. Because when you read the comment, when you start having a dialogue with your your supporters, new ideas are coming, and I have to say, I really, really love the narrative that we managed to develop and to create. So the castle is there, his rooms are always big and bigger, you have ocean and mountains, and all the rooms are changing every night, they are shuffled as a deck. And when you think to have seen all the cards and all the rooms, because you know, a tarot card, a card, a taro deck is 78 cards. So when you have 78 cards, there is no space for other places. But there is something that people didn't pay attention to is that there are there is a 79 card that is the extra card that everyone will receive in the deck that is there, that I never show and I will never speak about. You will see when you will you open the deck, but then there is something new, something happened because talking with people on Kickstarter and navigating the question, and uh as my brain started to like poof, poof, you know, when the popcorn ideas started to pop like popcorn in my mind, and I started to think, oh, I have to go back to the castle, and I went back to the castle and I said, I check, I wanted to check if everything is as I left it, because you know, every time you the magic of the castle is that every time you enter in the castle with a question or with a doubt, the castle rearranged the rooms to answer your questions or giving a suggestion for your adult. So I was there thinking I've seen everything, I was faithful in drawing the cards because every card is like a partial map of the castle. And uh I was meandering around and I found a door that I never seen before. And near the door, there was a key on the floor, and I said, Oh, I drop a key. I mean, uh always the only you know that every every time enter is the castle, he's the only person alive in the castle. So or someone left it in the past, or you drop it, but then I look at the dust, and all the floor was covered in white dust, and there was no sign of someone passing or disturbing the dust on the floor. So the door was closed, were locked, and so I said, Oh okay. So I pick up the key, I put it in the lock, I turn the key, and what I saw is wow, I saw a room. I know the name, then I immediately the castle tell me the name of the room. It's called the Hall of Elsewhere, and it's a very magical place, and then I I navigate the space that is, I think, is one of the most magical of the castle. I will not tell you what I've seen there because it's too much, it's a really a dream place, and you will discover it because it's like a Matrioska of a Chinese box with another box inside, you know. So it's a place where your imagination and your mind can explode. And I found a pile of paper there on a special place in the room, and then you know that the castle leaves every time, not like drink me, eat me, open the door, close the door, like Alice in Wonderland. You you navigate with it, you communicate with the castle in this way too. And uh draw me, but not more than the piece of the sheet of paper that you see there on the table. So I count them, and there will be only 80. I mean, I will I can produce only 100, but only 80 will be available for the Kickstarter campaign. And it's the secret item, the secret relic I bring from the castle. The castle there does allow me to mass-produce it. He said, This is something special. This is a relic from me, so something to give it to people, and I show you how I the castle suggests me to deliver it to the one that dare to cross the threshold. A parcel.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Oh my gosh, I love that.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

The seal of the alchemist that is very peculiar. That is, I don't know why, but maybe I know why. But the seal of the alchemist, the one to create the Book of Shadow, is peculiar. Maybe the castle is connected to the parallel world. A charm key, the key of the of the mystical secret door. And then when you turn it, I take this one because is you have the secret door in the moment that is open with all the steps there, and I can open it, but inside there will be a card, there will be the special limited edition extra card, the AD of the deck. And this is the parsment that explains magically with all the symbols and everything, how uh I mean the meaning of the cards, how to use it, and everything, and then in a special place here, there will be the number. I don't know, no what we take, but this yeah, there will be the number, the sign, and everything. So, yes, because it will be sign and it will be sealed because there are secrets that is better to travel completely sealed. And I decided that I will not describe, I will not talk about these special items, this relic from the castle. It's very special. This is the reason why it's limited, it is the reason why everything is signed, it's seal and everything. And I will never share it online, I will never talk about it. You will discover what it is if you decide to knock at the door to enter into special room and you will find it. Because I think the beauty is discovering the secret by yourself. I cannot reveal it, and that room will speak differently to everyone receiving it, so is it's magical, it's pure magic, and I like that.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

Yeah, that's amazing. I love that. Leaving it up to people.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

That's a great setup. Yes, you know, if I tell everything, if I disclose every single secret of the castle, if I talk too much about the meaning of the cards and everything, there will be no space anymore for people to discover the little secrets. And so I left a lot of things untold, but for this card, everything is secret, everything is untold. I mean, and I like it. You have to wait till the end. Uh, you have to to see it. I when I took a picture, I showed this that is the back. I don't think I share it uh with a clear intention to explain that it is the back. So I don't know if this is the first time that people see the back. This is just a white uh photographic paper I printed here at Tom, just to uh experiment when I was drawing it and everything. This is the back of every single card. Of course, the relic will have the same back because in this way you can use it, otherwise, it will be I mean evident there, and we don't want that. We want it to be a surprise, a secret, even when you shuffle the deck. And so if you decide to use it for a reading, it will be there.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

It's a special relic. I really, really like it, and I love the idea of having to seal it in walks and having the seal done and use it and sign it and write in. I mean, it's like an ancient parcel. This is the voice of the castle, the most secret room, the most important secret, the most important message is that so just hate it. So let's see. There are not many, that many. It's really, really limited collection uh ediction, but I like that because I think that uh I do how can I say there are things that is better to live limited, to live precious, to live just for those that really really wanted.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Yeah, what makes it more special for them too, for the people getting it. And I'm trying to think if I got it, but like after that.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

Last times I created extra cards, they were produced with the deck printed in the same time. This time I have this is something that came into my mind something like one week ago, soon after our last talk, our last live. I was reading around some comments, and they have this idea. So I called the printer and said, I need this card printed, I need this version, this stuff, and everything, the number, and so I squeezed the card there. So, and I like the idea because in this way is different. Not every deck will be the same because you have the normal deck with the 79 cards, and then we have the special deck with 80, and it will be even more precious, more collectible, more unique. And I think this is even important to give something incredibly special to people that are supporting the project of Kickstarter. This is one of the things that maybe we stay only on Kickstarter. So I mean, I will not produce more of these cards, so I just print 100 and I keep 20 for me because you know, if someone is lost, is if you solve all of them, then you you cannot reprint and so no. They will print just 100, and someone will be there just to see that everything is okay. And yeah, maybe that's all. So let's see.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Yeah, no, I like that idea because it does make it more precious than how people are gonna read it now, how they get to read it differently. Because it's like you bought a room with like hidden doors. It's you bought a room with like hidden passages or you know, that secret handshake to get in.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Yeah, you know, I was watching when usually when I when I work, I when I when not when I write, but when I illustrate or drawing, I I usually do I mean on paper or on the iPad. So I usually will listen music or I listen some documentaries because my mind likes to be focusing this way too. While drawing, I like to listen to watch something. And I was watching, I don't know why, you know, when you are just happened to see a documentary, it was not a documentary, it was a video of someone that bought a whole house and was renovating it, and he found a secret room. And then everything connected because it was so beautiful. Imagine by a house, like a Victorian house in London, it was here in England. I don't know if it was in London, but it was in England, and then renovating it. They found the door, and then it was like like a cubicle, it was really, really little, like a big closet, but it was a room, and now they are using it. It was not they didn't know it was there, it was not on them on the plan of the of the house. And so I thought, oh, the castle, maybe this is the same way. And so everything connected, all the doors and narrative came along. And imagine how beautiful it is to find to buy a house and find that you have a room or or a secret facade or something left behind. And I mean it's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

Yes, yes. Yes, no, definitely. And a lot of people are like, no questions yet, just commenting how nice it is. So excited for you. You know, it is exciting.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

I I think that I always try to create Kickstarter campaign with a strong narrative, but it is time, I think. I mean, I always have a lot of fun, but it's time even more because all the comments and the deep dialogue that I'm having on Kickstarter and on social media about the castle, the tower, and everything, it's like adding other lay labels and layers and everything, and people commenting, give us more ideas or different perspective. And I like that because it's it's still alive and from is not yet printed, so it's still something navigating, be ready to be printed. But he has already, you know, when you deliver something to the world, that a painting, a music, a book, it stopped to be yours, it's like uh a kid when you deliver it to the world, when it's there out in the world, it's like uh the major at the the consent age and is a person is in his own, is think by his own, is acting in his own. So you have not no control over it anymore. And I feel that the castle is already out of my control, and I love it because it is alive, the deck is alive. I already people that gave a different interpretation to the cards, thinking about other rooms, thinking about how to use it, or the narrative, or playing around. The person said, I'm looking forward to see it because in this way I can create this spread. I said, Oh, I never thought about that. I have a tap-specific spread and everything. I mean, it's fantastic. I love I love that. I really, really love it. Yeah, I think while there are authors that are very possessive and jealous about the meanings of the art and everything. No, from the moment I delivered, I have my meaning, I have my point of view, but for me it's not the privileged point of view of that. It's one of the many. And I like that is I'm I don't think to know more about what I'm creating than anyone else. Because sometimes people can have even deeper feelings, uh, thought or intuition about it. And please share. I love that. I really love that.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

Yeah, no, that's what I was telling people. Insights or questions, because somebody said I'm so excited though. And actually, I like it. Her name's Mystic in Wonderland. That is so fun.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

Oh, I love it, I love it. I love it. When you select, you know that I never taught to create um fictional name, a nickname for me as an artist. And when I it came to my mind, it was already too late because people know me with my name, and I never change it. But every time that I create a big project, at usually the big project is the one that I bring down Kickstarter because I need the support for uh for producing them. And uh I put a different hat. So for the Book of Shadows, I was like a friend of the alchemist, and I was talking with the alchemist, and it was absolutely amazing. I love it. For the Gastri Lenormand, I was the one talking with Madame Lenormand, receiving the messages, and there I invented, I mean, I was in Paris, in Per Lachaise. Uh, I was taking it's a beautiful monumental cemetery. I was there taking pictures, and uh at a certain point, you know, you when you read random names on the tombstone, and I read Mademoiselle Lenormand and said, Huh? Mademoiselle Lenormand, who is that? I mean, is Madame Lenormand? Mademoiselle is I mean, it could be her. So I went there, and then there was a pack of cards, and I said, Oh my gosh, she is her, is her. I never thought she was there in Parlachaise. I mean, you know, you did you know the things that you you go for Jim Morrison and Oscar Weil, and then I said, Oh my god, that is and then I look around and I say, Oh, it's called Mademoiselle because she wasn't able to get married. Now we call her Madame for expert, but at the time it was called Mademoiselle. And then I was there, and this is it looks like a legend, but it is real. A dark figure, you know, a woman dressed like uh gothic, gothic dress, all dark, a veil and everything. And she said, Oh, you are you here to uh leave your deck uh on her tomb too? And so no, why? Oh, you don't know the legend? I said, No, please tell me the legend. And so she told me that she told me that if it legend has it, that if you have a pack of cards, tarot deck, above all the normal, you leave, you have to leave uh during the evening, the deck on her tomb and leave it there. And then the morning after or the day after, go back to Parlachaise and retrieve the deck because her will charge the deck during the night. At that moment, I have, you know, when we have imagination to cover, I saw Madame Lenormand uh raise from the dead from the grave and say, Andrea, my deck is incomplete, you have to finish it. He wants to mine to be 52 cards, and so I created the Gastrennor from the grave. Yes, I mean I have a lot of fun. That was dark fun, macabre, and I enjoyed it. I enjoyed, and now um I'm wearing the act of the the art of the explorer and I'm going around exploring a castle, a gothic buildings, everything is changing, and I have to say my fantasy went on the macabre heart a lot, and I have to say I had so much fun. I'm I'm a dark lady now. I'm fighting dark stuff with skull and ghosts and gals and skeleton everywhere, and gosh, she is is stronger than me. I cannot resist.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Oh, yeah, no, I love that, and people are loving it too because somebody's saying the whole concept or mystic and wonder when the whole concept is so magical, everything I could dream of. Uh, Lilith 666 Scarlet. Old gravestones have the best names, which I agreed with because I love gravestones, first of all. And they're like a mystery on their own because it's like the life of somebody that you can meet create a whole narrative, like you were saying. You can listen to what they're whispering to you from beyond.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

You know, I I mean I'm a complex person with an history of no complex because I mean everyone sees me here, cheer me up, and I'm full of joy and vitality. But this happened after a very dark experience when I was on the verge of death because I mean suicidal, really not for joking. I mean, it was really a dark period of time. I crossed period of time, it was incredibly tough, and I was very, very close to committing suicide. And I'm alive only because the dog stopped me. I mean, I tried to go down a car when I was walking the door, the dog, sorry, not the dog, the dog, and the dog was sitting, didn't move. So I fell instead of before the car instead of going. So I'm lucky. I'm here thanks to my the old donation. Now he's walking on the on the sky. I mean, it was many, many years ago. But now I'm thinking about it with a smile. But that moment changed my life completely because I have to decide why I wanted to live, how I wanted to live. And so every time I'm depressed, I go to the to a graveyard to remind myself that we are here for a limited time. Time. And then when you walk all around the tombstone, you see the pictures, and usually there are people smiling. I don't know if you see, but there are just two kinds of pictures in graveyard: people smiling, or people very serious with the Sunday vest, try to be remembered for what they wanted to be, maybe, or what they achieved. And then you have all the sentence. Sometimes it's very quirky, like forget the dust, or I will come back one day. I mean, very quirky, very funny. Sometimes they are very so you you laugh, you smile because you think about how clever should have been this person in life. And then you start wondering how their life was, if they were happy, if they achieved their goals, if they even partially realized their dreams. And I think that for me is like a cathartic process. It's something that helps you to be strong during the adversity, to smile, whatever happens, to be happy every moment, because they remind me, and one day we will hear. So my dark side is very, very heavy, but very light too. Because remembering that you will die gives energy to every second you are here with smile, with power. It is the reason why I'm overworking so much and I'm always creating, because unfortunately, I have so many ideas for film, for animation, for books. I want to create pottery, I want to create so many things that I noted or I dedicate myself fully, or I will be not time enough to create everything. And so I decided to dedicate completely myself to my life, my hobby, my heart, my my life is my art of what I'm producing. So for me sharing the castle with everything it contains, all the goals, the dreams, then the moment of darkness, the moment of sadness, the moment of hope, the moment of joy. I really would like to have a deep dialogue with people that support the deck, that will have the deck in their hands and see what they think about the cards. What because if the card is like a mirror, what they see in that card, they see their joy or happiness, they hope, the desperation. Why do you see what do you see in the symbols that I scatter there, in the strange things that are there, but I didn't explain? Because everything is there. I want to show you one of the cards that is not nicely printed, so don't look at the colors because they are a little bit flat when they will be properly printed. No, because I printed, so I'm perfectionist, so but I don't know. Anyway, this is the tower, the tower inside the tower. So you see the collapse from the inside. There are many things that I could explain, but I avoid two. So you are in the tower in the moment it collapses. And for me, it is like feeling the heart shaking. It's really, really powerful. You are there when everything collapse, so you collapse with the tower, it's a shockwave that is humongous. But then there is here, there is a door with a staircase, and I don't think I've explained that. I just hint about it something, and then there are things that are strange because look at the wall behind the so but there is a room behind because you see the sky, so it's like a strange perspective. Where do you go if you take the little staircase? Is around the tower, is outside the tower, is where do you go? And I think this kind of stuff I left this kind of stuff unexplained because I would like to you feel the narrative. If you feel yourself in front of the tower when it's inside the tower, it's collapse, and you see tether, you will cross the collapsing columns and vaults to take the escape, or you will go back from where you came from. And what do you see? And every card that this kind of stuff, and if I have to explain everything, I will have written an encyclopedia, so it's impossible. But again, if you explain everything, you don't leave the reader, the reader of the cards, space for their own imagination to fly. And I think the best thing I wanted to do with this deck is leaving a lot of stuff untold. So you can fill the gap, you can create your own narrative, you can be the explorer of your castle. And this is the reason why I keep saying with these cards, you can build infinite architecture of esoterica. And for me, the expression is architect architecture of esoterica is incredibly important because you can create your own castle, your own sequence of room, you can walk across them, you can find a lot of you can find what you're left, what you're looking for. And I think is I'm looking forward to have a dialogue with people and see what do you see there, what do you do. And it would be, I mean, for me, finishing the Kickstarter campaign would be starting the printing process and then the distribution, the fulfillment of the Kickstarter campaign. But then the best parts for me will come: the sharing together, the reading together, the doing. It is the reason why I, in one of the tiers, I have a six-hour masterclass. Because that for me is the moment where we can have a dialogue in a Zoom so people can talk and ask questions, we can navigate, we can go deep, reveal other see other secrets, and the things that come to my mind. I mean, if you think about it, I created the Book of Shadows how many years ago? I lost track. Maybe 10 is possible. I know no no, the first one 10, but then the second one maybe four or five, I don't know. I lost track. Yeah, I keep adding things, I keep sharing stuff or another story. Sometimes I read something. Oh I mean uh I mean it's fun because a project doesn't die. I mean, there are people that artists that produce a deck, is there, then produce a new one, and the old deck is dead. They don't use it anymore because they have to promote the new to sell the new. For me, it's a story. A story is set in a landscape, a story has a goal, he has his challenges, his characters, and I go back to the characters because the story goes on. It's not a stop there. This is the moment that I realize, I mean, the part of the story that I shared that I realized, but then there is in the back of my mind the continuation of the story of Madame Lenormand, of the alchemist and R. Ades, and the explorer that I create, uh by the way, is the anagram of my name, our Adestein, because it's what I wanted to be an explorer. And if I have to imagine myself, I will imagine myself an A Victorian explorer with the ship on the horizon in a black what the map is a blank spot to fill and explore the world. And maybe we started before going live, say that what a funny thing is that I my one of my favorite cards of my previous deck is the six of swords. Yes, and the cards that I'm using now to promote the deck and sharing is another six of swords. And maybe it's this part of being an explorer, leaving everything behind and going on. If I think about all the city that I left behind that I live in and I move, maybe is I don't know, is in my jeans, the explorer.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

Oh yeah, I'd love that. And it's it's true because I actually have a card I keep going back to you, but I did have people comment. Um, oh, it's they keep commenting. Hang on, let me see if I can catch up. Um, oh, I feel like you're going to deliver Narnia's closet to us, but what is inside is mysterious to everyone, including you. That is where the true magic lies, creating the key to an ever-growing world, which is what you just yeah, yeah, said you commented it a while ago. So go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

I want to stop with this comment because it is incredibly philosophical important. I thanked the person who wrote it one million times. Because people think that when I mean I was painting uh oil on canvas or creating an animation, people think that you have everything in your mind. You have something in your mind. While you're writing something, a book, when you're creating a tarot deck, you discover it moment while doing it. Not everything is set is done before doing it. The part that I know is incredibly little. And when it's finished, it's not finished. In your mind is gone with the adventure and everything. And I like that. So sometimes I was thinking now to go back to part of my narrative and connecting and creating other parts. So I like the idea that the castle one day, maybe in three months, I will create something new and I will share it on. I did it for the Castilla Normand after almost one year that I created, I will share something towards. I don't remember what it was, maybe it was a digital version of that. I don't remember, but something changed. Yeah, and I I wrote a lot and we share it a lot. And who is the mad person that spent so much time to share? I shared it for free because no one paid the job and everything. But I think it was intriguing. I think it was important to close a circle, it was important for the narrative because it gave it other perspective on everything I created. So I did it and I liked it.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

I mean, yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, it's that's what I like about the cards, anyway, that you did. Because I've been since I've been working with them and putting them in different places. That's why I keep using your page of coins because it feels like he's just gonna come out and grab you, and you're gonna go through the the picture frame with him every time I see it. That's why I post it in all my posts. I'm like, I'm overusing that card, but I like it. What an adventure are we going on?

SPEAKER_02 32:03

I know, I mean for me. Sometimes I have so many cards around the colouring. Like for a period of time, I used the devil of the book of shadows. I printed on a brooch, I created a little brooch, and I went all around with the devil. Yeah, now it is the six of swords. I have the six of swords in my studio. Now I already printed this one, it's big. You cannot see in front of. Well, I can try to show you. It's a mess in my studio, so I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Oh no, you're so busy working. Oh my gosh, I can't imagine.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

Oh yes. Oh, I love your swords. That is the new one, the one that I showed you before. So now I have to put my yes. My studio is a mess because I have piles of books on the floor, the one that I have to read, all the notes for the campaign scatter on pieces of papers here and there, like this one.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

Yeah, honestly, I just saw your really cool blanket. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

This is the this is the color I don't want to use. Then I try with another ink color because I use fontine pen, and I did this one. And this one is the one that I will use. That is, I don't know if you see, is reddish. So here we have the name, uh, the name, the number of the cards from one to 80. The zero will be for me closing collection. Then there will be here there is a C Roman letter for 100, and then there will be my sign. So this will be the parcel that I showed before. This is the print, the text, and I did. So I do a lot of tests. I have so many printing tests that you have no idea, sometimes with different coloring, different things. I mean, but this is I love that. I love that part of for me creating is like playing, like playing with Lego. I don't know if you were a kid, Lego was your favorite game or was my favorite game. You do dismantle and redo and yeah, keep yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

Oh, yes, I like still doing it just because I have nephews, so it is like a daily thing.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

But just one day I will create a deck putting together all the discarded shard cards from every deck, all the ones that were not colour, the ones that I just to put them together. But I have a I have a dream. I would like to create is I don't know if I manage this year, but I would like to create a big book when I collect all the taro world I created, all the deck with all the edit the background story, the narrative, and everything. But like a book. A book that will be a journey, they will be inspirational, they would be. I mean, I have lots of ideas in mind, and I would like to celebrate, I mean, more than here, 10 years of creativity in the tarot world now, and uh put everything together, it would be it would be nice, it would be fun, and uh it's something I'm thinking about to share the the journey in a different way.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

Yeah, like chaos decks, right? The chaos decks? Yeah, that's I know I like I have a couple of those. Um, here so the next one is oh, every time I converse with the I'm like the worst at pronunciation. So oracloreum? Yay, okay. Yeah, or my mind. And somebody said, sometime to see the most beautiful light, you have to know the truest darkness as well. A light needs the dark, and vice versa. Um, and then love the oh, someone's talking about your tower card. Love the perspective of the tower. You have just reminded me of when I was at a friend's house and an earthquake happened, and we had to run outside avoiding falling tiles and electrical lines.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

So memory scary is anything absolutely scary. It happened to me too, because Italy is not exactly a still place, sometimes shape in the role. And uh, I was living in the uh how do you call it in English? Uh, in French is mansar. So last floor, um attic, you say attic. Okay, it came to my mind. I always use the French mansar. So anyway, I was living in Atis, I was linking roof and everything. So I was something like the sixth or seventh floor, I don't remember anymore, and there was a quake, and the house did something like that, and there was no place to go because you know that you cannot run seventh floor. So I stayed there, and believe me, it was horrible. It was one of the most scary things I ever. And I was very hurt because I don't know if people that experience that earthquake. I I don't think I'm the only one. The thing that you remember with more shock was the sound, the growling of the earth is something that stays with you, is uh like a roar, is horrible, scary. I never heard something like that before. Is something that wow, I was not able to sleep at night for a lot of time. It's you know, it's scary. So I know what is mean. I'm happy for this person that was able to go out because I was there hoping not to collapse with the cows. It was absolutely horrible.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Oh my gosh, that wasn't terrifying, yeah. Especially with the smells, too, like not just the sounds, but you smell the smell of the time, and it just brings you back to that moment.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

Oh, Ted and ever uh because I was floor up floor, I didn't smell anything. I think people that I wondered. No, he's scary, it's really scary.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

Yeah, it's yes, yeah. No, so much, yeah, because that's what she said as a question.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

And this is the reason why I wanted to create the tower in this way. Yeah, because if you see the tower collapse in a distance, you are just an observer. Is it doesn't touch you that much. But the meaning of the tower is a deep collapse, collapse of an illusion of a dream or something. So you have to feel it, you have to be inside, and this is the reason why I wanted to put the viewer inside the card, inside the tower. And yeah, I think I mean when I was drawing it already, it gave me a lot of I mean, how do you call it? Uh goose bumps? Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, sometimes it has to think about it, is it? Yeah, because it was really unsafe, but I like it for that. I love it. So I said, yes, this is the right way of doing it.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Yeah, that's yeah. Well, she said she thought a train was coming, and then also that because it was about enlightenment. The tower is always about enlightenment, it's a shakeup we need, whether we like it or not, because we're always better off from the experience. So it is very true. Because it's followed by the star, yeah, followed by the star.

SPEAKER_02 39:09

So exactly, exactly. Yeah, like I think that people are already navigating and it's slow, you know. Yes, oh yeah, so and I love that. It's very, very interesting because the cards are all connected. You think about the fool's journey, and in the explorer journal that can come with the I mean, may come if you take it from I mean, uh with the the tarot. Um the explorer journal. I I created this full journey that you can use with your own deck and everything, and I think it would be fun because in this way you collect connect all the cards in a different way to be the hero of the full journey. So in the in the in the in the shoes of the full and explore it, the sequence and everything. And uh I did it and I I love it. I I really I really like it because at the end every time I create something, I create something that I like, or something that I need to explore, or something that I will use, and so it is it's really personal if you want.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, no, it's true. And I like like you're saying that perspective, because that's what I reminded of as cards, like the page of coins, like pulling me into the picture. What room am I gonna be dropped in? You know, like it's all kind of even on the fool's journey, where in the journey are you gonna be dropped in? Like that's where you need to be. And it could be the tower moment, so you're gonna just have a shake up. Um but there was a question. Hang on, I just left it. Um, someone said it is the question do you go into the unknown, perhaps more dangerous, or remain with what you know? But somebody wants to know if you're making any more animated films.

SPEAKER_02 40:51

Oh, yeah. I just finished, or well, it was a little story to present the Madre Italian Fist Festival in Madrid. There was like a promo for telling a story, there was the Italian cinema in a few seconds. I love animation, I would like to do more animations, I have lots of ideas. Unfortunately, I don't have that much time because to do animation, it means I mean, to do 24 minutes of animation can be even eight months of work intense. So it's really, really intense. So now actually, I would like to try to do new technique, new program, try to try to make everything faster. But with the animation, you know, there are different kinds of animation. If you think about, I don't know, the Simpson, South Park. You can use I like them for the story, but I don't like them visually. For me, they don't make me dream. I like them, I follow them because the story, because you laugh. I mean, they are genius. I like the social commentary, I like them. But then I love Miyazaki, Ghibli Studio. I love the animation that makes me dream, and I like to produce that kind of animation. And for that kind of animation, you take a lot of time.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

Oh, yes, no, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 42:11

The story, full story I created was two years ago. It's called We Even Trap Water, is free on YouTube. I created it with uh South Central America director, and the story is very it was very important for us because it's a story about Mother Nation and the Raspect of nature, and it is the reason why we even trapped water. I mean, the way we are living is is wrong, and he was pointing out with a nice story, and uh it was a low-budget animation. We bring it around the world in different festivals, yeah, mention and some award, something. I mean, uh, it was nice, it was really, really nice to create. So you find it free on my website. So on my website, you find a lot of stuff. Usually I would I would like to create a series uh of animation, so few minutes and tell a story or something. It's something I think I it's still that in the back of my mind. Uh just to find the time and the energy and everything.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

Yeah, especially if it takes that long.

SPEAKER_02 43:17

Unfortunately, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 43:20

Yeah, definitely, definitely. And I was just thinking if there's any more comments. I know someone said finally found you. And sorry about that. Like, I've been having technical issues all week. I don't know. It's YouTube's just been a mess.

SPEAKER_02 43:30

It's like we have technical is the week of the technical problems issues. Everyone of us experience it. I post uh an update on Kickstarter, and all the videos that were supposed to be there were mysteriously disappeared. You have the link where you don't see the video anymore, and some other day you see it. So I have no idea what happened. So, again, is the customer playing these tricks to remind us to not be too comfortable in. What a truth.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, yes, because I've had to yeah, constantly double check everything. So, but but that's kind of like just like the castle, always like keeping you on your toes. So you don't miss anything that might be fun to explore. You don't overlook a room, you know. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 44:19

Who knows what is inside here? Who knows what is inside? It will be a secret. Imagine not even a picture online. You have to receive it, to open it, to break the seal, to unfold the paper, to read. Because now there are lots of stuff to read here, and and then you will see the relic from the castle, and then you castle will speak to you. I love that. I really love it.

SPEAKER_00 44:50

Yeah, I know. I now it's like now I gotta go back on Kickstarter to make sure I got it. Because every time we do a live with you, you're revealing all these things, and I'm like, I've gotta go back because I have to get it now.

SPEAKER_02 45:03

I know, yes, because this will be the reveal. So as soon as we finish here with the live, I got um Kickstarter and put the new everything there, so it will take, I don't know, two hours an hour. I have no idea. I have almost everything ready, but because this is the moment of the technical problems or issues, let's see. I mean, I would like to have everything put in there for the night. So in a few hours, put everything there so people can see the other pictures I talk and everything and and the phone number is written nicely. So yeah, that's it would be fun.

SPEAKER_00 45:41

Oh, yeah. Let's see a thing. Oh, someone said what something we were commenting on, they went into the room with the tower. Oh, probably the page of coins, maybe that I keep saying pulls you in and drops you somewhere. And somebody said they went into the room with the tower and fell out the window, and then someone which I can see that happening, like you're underwater, and then someone said all those extra things make it so much more magical. Um, like oh, feeling like a true explorer, which is amazing. Oh, sorry, I skipped one, and creating the big book of your creations and backstory would be amazing. So loving it, because that is a great idea of all your works in one place, like the bigger the better. Like, there's no limit on that. Sky's the limit. Like, you've got like six, like you know, the Britannic like encyclopedia, like just keep it. It's always the time.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

I mean, even just a run in a Kickstarter campaign. You think I mean it's not that you push up a button and the Kickstarter campaign is live and you don't do anything, and then you create a little bit more and answer and communicate and create literal animation to tell the story. And I mean, I'm working practically six hours a day only on Kickstarter, sometimes even more. So it's it's one month like that. It's always said, Oh wow, I always say during the Kickstarter campaign this time, I relax a little bit more. No, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_00 47:08

Yeah, more work, yeah, more fun creations, I should say.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Yeah, that is okay, it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 47:15

Yeah, but that's yeah, that's why it's good that's on Kickstarter because I have your Kickstarter on, I'm sure you and your group too, but everywhere. So it'll even be in the comments of this, the Kickstarter and your website too, so people can check out that. All your fun decks. I have your coffin too. Like I had actually uh something that I guess I can't find it. I like it's such a mess in here, so I'll find it. The astrology explorer one, your astrology one.

SPEAKER_02 47:45

Oh, nice. Oh, the book you mean. Oh wow, I've already sold. Oh I mean, on sale, I didn't know it. Oh, oh, is it like yeah, somebody where you mean the astrology book of the darn?

SPEAKER_00 48:01

Yeah, I don't know where it went. I was just reading it yesterday, too. It's your astrology book you did the pictures with.

SPEAKER_02 48:07

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I know it was to be released on Mars. I thought it was ahead. Oh, yeah. No, it's already there. Yes, yes. I have it here somewhere. Wait a moment.

SPEAKER_00 48:18

Yeah, me too. I thought I had it here somewhere. Yes, everything's a mess though, so I don't know where it went. Yes, yes, I've been reading it all week.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

They are absolutely amazing. Uh, and they commissioned me to create the the illustration for the book, and uh I have a lot of fun, and I have to say, to be very honest, I didn't know anything about astrology before I had this commission. So I have to study it and read in the book and ask questions and doing everything, and I love it. I think it was one of the most beautiful commission I had because forced me to study something that I didn't know anything about, and uh I love it because to identify technical things I have to study a lot, and a lot of things said uh how does it work here? Uh what is that? What have fun?

SPEAKER_00 49:17

Yeah, no, I it's in honestly for an astrologer because I do know astrology and it's funny, it's they they're funny, it's it's really insightful, it's clever, it's a different way of looking at astrology, and it's very cute.

SPEAKER_02 49:32

Uh, you know, I fell in love with the philosophy of Geoffrey Cornelius. Uh unfortunately, he's not with us anymore. Uh he passed away, I think, last year. Uh, but he's mixing philosophy, poetry, culture, art with astrology. So when you listen, I mean you you listen to one of his speech, is uh it's deep, he's opening a lot of and so it was incredible. I'm really, really happy to have received this commission because it's like opening a door that you didn't even know it was there, and you fell in the rabbit all, and it is I mean, I really enjoy it.

SPEAKER_00 50:14

Oh, yeah, no, me me too. It's it's amazing, and then the pictures make it better too, because it's really fun to see all the pictures with the reading. It I almost finished with it, but now it's missing, so I'll have to find it again.

SPEAKER_02 50:29

Don't speak about finding something. I don't show you my desk now because you would be a certification of things. Um everything is there, one layer after the other, and it's a mess.

SPEAKER_00 50:42

I know.

SPEAKER_02 50:42

I got like everything, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:44

So you like, yeah, looks cool.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

I like that.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

Oh, yeah, she sent it to me, Anastasia Cashian. Yeah, it was fun. See, I'm just reading everything.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

She wrote an amazing article for the number zero about the I like this character, so and she's torky, she's funny, so it's a nice article. It's a nice book too. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 51:08

Oh, yeah. No, and I got that too. So yeah, but I'm just like like I'm gonna be like the old, what is it? Like, you know, instead of the old lady living in shoes, I'm gonna be like the old lady living in decks and books, you know, like just like sitting on books.

SPEAKER_02 51:20

It's a little circle of people, and we know each other, we exchange our own varieties and decks and everything. It's fun, it's really, really fun. Yes, no, it's amazing. I mean, yeah, I really like it.

SPEAKER_00 51:36

Also, this someone said, I love your book, A Shadows Deck, and can't wait to be a proud owner of the Cross Destinies, which there you go. Like I said, it's gonna all be in comments. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:46

I'm uh honestly, well, I can say a little bit of well, it's not a secret, but it's something that I'm arranging, I've been talking with the printer to try to start the printing process before the end of Kistarta campaign, so I can shift uh a little bit the the date. But uh let's see, because with the uh war in Iran and everything, uh it's possible that there will be delays and we cannot uh we cannot do anything. So let's see. Finger crossed, what is the reason why I tried to do everything before the the end of the start of the campaign? Because just two weeks before is two weeks before. I mean, it looks like a little time, but then is it's okay. Let's see. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:37

But this this is the fun of the journey, though, because like you know, if for everyone who hasn't, you should listen last week. We went on for uh so long about everything with the book and stuff, and then today talking about it. So it's like half the journey of this Kickstarter thing with you is talking about it, is exploring it, and then we have another live next week where we're gonna even dive deeper, you know. So, like, that's the fun.

SPEAKER_02 52:58

You know what I like to do when I finish, like I start a campaign following usually following the ship, the container ship with the deck and seeing every day what it is, and I love it, I love it. I mean, independent of it is produced and everything, but usually they are my deck, usually they are produced in the I mean I use one of the best companies in the world, and they are factories scattered all around the world, it depends on what you have to do. So sometimes you do the box is printed in one place, the deck is another one because they use the best facility special specialized in what you have to do. So in case where you know the qualities included BI, then they are assembled and then they are shipped here. So imagine they uh the journey of it is is fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 53:48

Yeah. It's like they're going on their own little adventure too, you know, the books.

SPEAKER_02 53:52

Yeah, I mean the people that don't know me because they don't never see my Kickstarter, my previous Kickstarter campaign. I I I like to share everything. So when I receive the the test copy, that is the first print to check that everything is okay. When I receive the first plot before Ted, when when I receive the advanced copies, I always share everything because it's the first time that I see them well printed, because the one that I show last time here, this is a digital print on a mock-up, so it's not the real color, it's not a knife, it's it's not perfect. This is just a mock-up. So you see perfection, the colors are not that because it's a digital printing. But I don't do digital printing, I go offset. So this means that everything is printed like all time. You create um metal printing sheet to absorb, I mean capture the color, and then you have metal sheet for every single color, and you go with this humongous machinery, and you know that everything is this is the reason why it's perfect.

SPEAKER_01 54:56

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:58

So the things that I'm showing now is something that I print at home, or something that is coming from the printer, but it's digital, so it's not the real one, it's not the finished one. So I like to show the white box, the digital printing, and then the final one, so people can follow the journey of the quality, the check, and everything. It's like building it little by little. I love it. I really love it.

SPEAKER_00 55:23

Yeah, yeah, no, it's amazing. Like I said, you're one of the few people on Kickstarter that do that. It's nice to see the process of what you're you know, supporting what you're getting. So it's like more like adopting a kid, you know, you're watching the process of them being shipped over and like taken care of and all the fun activities.

SPEAKER_02 55:39

Yeah, when I when I shipped this last time I even with the post, and they was coming to collect everything. And let's say of a bit, but this is the woman that uh is helping me in the fulfillment, the role male post. And we have lots of fun, a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_00 55:57

Oh, yes, I know. That's why it's exciting to be able to do this live, and like I said, being able to share it out there and then have good conversation, which today was very lively, so which was fun, you know.

SPEAKER_02 56:08

That's why I think I one of the few mad people to do the fulfillment at home in my studio. So all the parcel, I prepare all the parcel, I close them, I sign everything, I do everything, all the labels. I mean, but in this way is for me, it's more personal, and then I smile. It's nice when you see the destination. You see, oh my god, it's going to Hawaii. Imagine one of my deck is there in the Y in the sunshine, swim, swimming, maybe not. The person, yes, maybe the deck, no. But it's fun, it's I mean, wow.

SPEAKER_00 56:40

Yeah, no, this and then I think we have one more question before we round up. But how do you work with different colors when painting them having to transfer digitally?

SPEAKER_02 56:50

Uh, I when you do something um for many years, yeah, you know, I do all the deck was created on my iPad, so digital painting. So is RGB. When you print, you print C, Y, V, Kai, I mean, four colors. I always say four colors because in English I never manage to say the letter is in the right order. I don't know why. But anyway, uh, once you are training your eyes to know which color you have to avoid because they will not print it properly. You use only the colors that you know that are printed. So you know that the yellow can have problems, the blue, the blue can have problems, the green, some some use, and so you don't use them. So you know everything, and then I the monitor when I check I create a create everything in the monitor, the monitor is set in such a way that the colors are not oversaturated, the light is not too high, because there are people that work with the luminosity maximum. No, if you do like that, you fake uh no false all the values, so it's technique, you know, and then there are things that you not already that you can check till a certain point. You have not absolute control because the colors that you see printed, technically speaking, depends from the code of the paper, the quality of not just the quality, but how the paper is done, how much color the paper absorbs or not, if it's matte or if it's uh shiny, and then the the machinery that is printing, the color, the color profile that is used. So when I am printing now, I'm printing with Imago with many many years. All my decks are printed with Imago. I know the color profile, I know how they print and everything. So this gives me a little bit of more they give me confidence, and I like that.

SPEAKER_01 58:38

Yeah, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 58:40

I mean, I'm very obsessed with quality. I really wanted something is is nice and well done. So I mean, there is my menu on my deck. I self-publish and I go to a publisher because I know that they will not print the graphic novel, or they don't want the film, or they don't want the digital content, or they don't want animation with the story because they want the deck, they don't they don't dare to expand the narrative. And for me, the narrative is what makes a deck a deck. You give it a swing.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

Yes, yeah, yeah. I like that. That is very true. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 59:19

So for today, we are revealed too many secrets. Then the castle is furious. If you talk too much about the castle, the castle changes configuration, and you said, Oh, you think to know me. Look at me now, everything has changed, and you they're baffled. You said, Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00 59:37

Yes, that's yeah, everyone's just saying thanks for sharing. Yeah, it's true. Like I said, the page of coins guy is gonna drop you somewhere you don't want to know, out of the castle, right? You're done.

SPEAKER_02 59:50

Oh, thank you so much to everyone. Oh, yeah. The both of you is always a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Oh my gosh, thank you, Channel. And then I think there is no better place to reveal a mystery to don't mystery channel.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:02

Yes, definitely. I love that. Well, and for everyone listening too, we have one more next week on the 17th, same time, and hopefully the technology issues will have worked themselves out by then.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:14

Yeah, like so the last 11 days, just 11 days before the castle, we disappear forever.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

So yes, oh my gosh, that's exciting.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:26

Yes, I didn't want it to disappear, it would be quite tough.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:29

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like uh Brigadoo, and it's like maybe I just want to disappear with it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:35

Yeah, yeah, sometimes, yeah, definitely. No, thank you for everyone. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:44

Oh, yeah, always have fun and keep looking on his page. He posts something every day about his journey, so you want to keep up with that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:53

All in the comments. All in the comments. All right, bye everyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:59

And I'm gonna kick everyone.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

Accidentally kick everyone out. I'm still working on how to end it without ending it, but I'll see you guys later. You guys have fun. Okay.