The Refreshingly Normal Podcast with Kēfla and Cree

From Conferences To Classroom Hugs: Restorative Practice, Relationships, And Real Life

Season 1 Episode 14

What if a week could be both tender and tough? We open with a restorative practices conference that felt like a genuine mindset reset—circles over punishment, dignity over discipline—and the very real need to decompress after days packed with heavy stories. That leads us into a candid look at sleep on the road: light leaks, hotel A/C quirks, anxious thoughts, and the small tweaks that finally make rest possible. Back home, we’re lifted by a day with middle schoolers who show up curious and kind, the kind of group that turns exhaustion into purpose with a single hug.

From there, we pivot to the body and the tech that complicates our lives. A careful leg day still flares sciatica and forces a hard pause on the gym routine. Muscle relaxers, foam rollers, and humility remind us recovery is a practice, not a plan. Meanwhile, iCloud makes “simple” file moves feel impossible, and reformatting flash drives becomes a reluctant rite of passage. Then in our Story Segment we take a sobering turn: a road rage shooting that began with a honk. We sit with the heartbreak and pull out what we can control—lighter taps, less ego, and patience that keeps everyone alive.

Relationships get the honest treatment. We map timelines for using “babe,” set clear signals about walking around the house in minimal clothing, and break down when to introduce partners to family and kids. The rule of thumb: be explicit about intent, pace with care, and invite feedback from your children when they’re ready. We also face a growing reality for teens—phones, porn, and the impact on intimacy. Parents who pay the bill can set boundaries, check in, and teach the difference between performance and connection without shaming.

We wrap with two side eyes: a beloved Jeep that’s become unsafe thanks to the dreaded death wobble, and a boutique shopping experience where Cree feels invisible until others arrived. Basic kindness matters. Looking ahead, we’re choosing small wins: a promising new hairstylist, a fresh push through classes, cooler weather on the horizon, and the stubborn hope of running again. If this mix of real life, relationship rules, and restorative practice resonates, tap follow, share with a friend, and leave a review telling us the boundary you’re rethinking this week.

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SPEAKER_05:

The Refreshingly Normal Podcast.

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Welcome back, you guys. This is Kefla.

SPEAKER_00:

This is Crete.

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And we are the Refreshingly Normal Podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in with us every week, week in, week out, day in, day out, allowing us to roll with you to work, back from work. Hopefully, we give you a little more cheer in your day. So hey, you see what she thinks about y'all.

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Oh my gosh, that's not so.

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Okay, so moving right along.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

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How was your week?

SPEAKER_01:

Um, so my week was good. I went to my conference.

SPEAKER_07:

Okay, how was it?

SPEAKER_01:

Um, it was really, really good. Um the they had they chose some great keynote speakers. So that's always nice.

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That is.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, and then it's just um to be like to want to do restorative practices, it's really like a mind set shift, really. It's just a different way of thinking. So people who like really buy into restorative practice and understand, I say the power of a circle, but they understand um the impact restorative practice can have in people's lives. Um, people who are those people, it's just a different vibe um there. So um it was just a good vibe to be around, you know, peep those people. And then um I will say like it's really people say like touchy-feely, but it's really a lot of feels in it. So um I did find like being in the um sessions, there were like three sessions a day, plus like the opening speakers, and they had some other like events in the evening, but um, you really did have to like decompress after.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Um at the end of the day. So um I did my run and exercise after and then um watched some things on TV.

SPEAKER_07:

Well, you watched one thing that didn't let you decompress. No, it really didn't. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, well, kinda, because it wasn't touchy filly at all.

SPEAKER_07:

It was like But it's not it's not a movie for decompressing.

SPEAKER_01:

No, well No, it it is not.

SPEAKER_07:

It isn't The Perfect Neighbor on Netflix is not what you want to watch when you're trying to calm down.

SPEAKER_01:

No, no, that is true.

SPEAKER_07:

And if you know what that is, that movie is, or well, it's a movie, but it's uh uh depicting the.

SPEAKER_01:

It's really a documentary, kind of like anywho. I did watch that one evening.

SPEAKER_07:

Right. So you probably should have gone and ran right after that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I probably should have watched that first and then ran. But anywho, the conference was great. All the sessions, typically when you go to conferences, you know, you get some sessions where you're like, Lord have mercy.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

But um I enjoyed all of the sessions. I was able to take something away from each of the sessions. So I'm excited to add it to um what I'd do, my day-to-day, but also information I can share with others when I do my trainings. And so, yeah, so it was really good. Um now, I guess because most of the time me and this guy are together. We are together often. A lot. So the first night of being there, I did not sleep well at all. So the first night, I just got all in my head too much. So when we had our conference, when we went to a conference earlier in the summer, I went to a conference with some of my colleagues.

SPEAKER_04:

You went in Savannah?

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. Okay. And um, I did not sleep well there either. I felt like there was a ghost in my room. Yeah, you stop all that ghost. And so um, I just had like eerie things that happened to me there. And so when I got to Chattanooga in the room by myself, I was like, oh Lord, what if there are ghosts here? Anywho, I got all in my head. And so um I didn't close the curtains, I kept the curtains open, not realizing like I faced out towards the highway. So consistently there were like, first I didn't realize it because you know, at some point, it's kind of quiet. But then I was like, What is that flashing lights? They kept flashing, flashing, flashing. And it was just lights from people's cars. But then I was like, I don't want it to be completely dark here.

SPEAKER_05:

You're coming from the highway.

SPEAKER_01:

No lights. I just did not sleep well. That first night, I did not sleep well at all. So the next night I figured out, okay, this is how I'm gonna sleep this night. So and that night, um, the room had the flat screen, and then behind it was like a wooden board that lights go around that wooden board, very like uh uh ambient lighting. Yeah, it was like around the whole thing. Right. So I was like, I'll keep that light on. But that was too much. I didn't sleep well that night because it was like a little bit too much light, and uh the air wasn't working in the hotel. And they supposedly fixed it, but it was not fixed. So it wasn't hot, hot because it's being cooler, but it just wasn't like air conditioning.

SPEAKER_07:

Perfectly comfortable.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. So I didn't sleep well on Monday night. So then Tuesday night I said, okay, I know what I'm gonna do. I will turn the bathroom light on and kind of do the door a little bit. So Tuesday night, I finally got some decent rest um on Tuesday night. So today I really felt like tired. Like I came home and took a nap. Um, but I didn't really feel tired because I didn't sleep well. Um, and I still got, you know, attended all my sessions, did all the things, still exercised every day, just trying to keep myself going. But yeah, I didn't get good sleep.

SPEAKER_07:

Should have came home, took you some magnesium gummies.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, to I did last night. So last night, of course, I'm in my own bed and my protector is there, so I felt slept. So I slept very well. So last night I slept well. I was like, man, I really felt like I really needed just today to like stay home and sleep. But of course, I had to work.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So, anywho, so that was really good. And today I got to go back and work with some middle high schoolers. One of those. And you did both middle and middle school? No, I did middle school.

SPEAKER_06:

Middle high school.

SPEAKER_01:

All right, then I worked with the middle schoolers today. They were amazing.

SPEAKER_07:

That's good.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Um, I really, really, really enjoy them a whole lot. So I have a new favorite high school, and now I have a new favorite middle school. Um, they were just so um engaged. They had their connection to the con, like what we were talking about. Like you didn't have to, it wasn't like pulling teeth. Everybody wanted to get to the point where you're like, okay, we got too many people want to share. And so you couldn't hear from everybody, but they all wanted to share and participate, and they wanted to have a good time. And when I left, one of the middle school boys came and he gave me a hug. He says, Thank you so much for today, Miss Cree. Oh, and he said, Can I give you a hug? I said, Yeah. And another of the young girls came by and did the same thing. And so, um, yeah, yeah. So it was really um, it was they were really good. So even though I was tired because of how they were so involved and excited and participating, um, I couldn't get tired.

SPEAKER_07:

No, no, they're not gonna let you.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, they didn't let me get tired. So um, yeah, it was a good, good day today.

SPEAKER_07:

Well, that's good. Sound like an interesting week.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, it was an interesting week.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, my week started off good. I I went to the gym Monday. Had a my well, my back was hurting Monday, but I still went to the gym. I did a leg day, it's always on Monday because normally it's chess day for the world. That's what they call it, universal chess day is on Monday. And so I always go legs first because one, you won't ever be able to use a chess machine. So I always do my legs because nobody's doing legs because they don't want their legs sore for the week. Um, but I was careful in what I do. Like I don't I don't do squat with the bar anymore just to protect my um my body as you're getting older. So I like if I'm doing squats, I either do goblet squats or uh just dumbbell, what they call suitcase squats, um, or machines. But I mean, and my back wasn't hurting at all. And then but when I got home, uh, it just started hurting so bad. And um I couldn't even finish cooking. Like I well, I cooked, but I I didn't cook what I wanted to cook. And so I was like, oh, I'm hurting. And so I took the uh muscle relaxer that the doctor gave me, the newer surgeon gave me for. And man, that thing had me so sleepy. I was sleepy in the kitchen. Cause I took it when I when I start first started feeling it, because they was like, anytime you feel it, don't let it get too bad before you take it. And and I fell asleep. I was I was drowsy while I was cooking. I was like, I ain't never felt like that. And I came upstairs and I used a phone roller and fell asleep on the phone roller. Crazy. On the phone roller, I fell asleep. And so then um I moved the phone roller out of the way, and I was like in what they call like the uh, what is that position? Like frog position? Mm-hmm. You know, where you own it's a kick down. Yeah, and so I'm laying down like that, and next thing you know, I heard myself snoring on the floor. And with my head, like my hands were back behind me up on my neck like that, snoring. I was out.

SPEAKER_01:

That's not like a good, comfortable position.

SPEAKER_07:

It's not, but I was so out that I did it didn't feel uncomfortable. And so my leg has been hurting all week. Today it wasn't as bad during the day, but it's just in spurts with my leg and my back. So I think it's part of the sciatica in the um IT band. So that's what I've been trying to roll that. But um, besides that, I was very productive this week with preparing for this one IEP I had today. Did a good job on that. Um I gotta do another one next Tuesday and then prepare for another one after that the next week. Um But I my goal is like I didn't go to the gym at all besides Monday. I'm not going tomorrow because I'm really trying to make sure I'm really listening to my body. And I and you know, one week is not gonna negate everything. Um but I'm just upset because I had an amazing week last week. No pain, no nothing. Last week was an amazing week. I don't know. But I had an amazing week. So I'm I'm gonna get that week back next week.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

And uh my classes start again um this week. So I got I got some work to do. My goal is to have the work done by uh Sunday morning. So I'm gonna do a little bit tomorrow and some Saturday um so that I can not be stressed about doing it on Sunday. And I'll be finished soon. Uh this time next year I should be done with everything.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

It's just uh, you know, taking that that test. What's that big test called?

SPEAKER_01:

The NCE?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, the NCE National Council.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not too bad.

SPEAKER_07:

Nah, that's what they say. As long as I study the purple book, they say. Study the purple book, they say you buy the book. I got the audio book, too.

SPEAKER_04:

I got the book.

SPEAKER_07:

People say start listening to it, you know, when you do the internship, yeah. Yeah. Start listening to it. So I got that. Uh what else this week? Still fooling with my memory on my my i mean my iPhone and the memory on my MacBook because a lot of the stuff is in the cloud, but when I try to take a lot of that stuff from in my documents and whatever and put it on a flash drive, it wants to, it has to download from the cloud, but I can't get enough space on the MacBook so that it can download from the cloud to the MacBook to the flash drive.

SPEAKER_04:

So I don't know how to hell.

SPEAKER_07:

I I don't either. I'm just still trying. So anybody out there, any of my tech, my tech gurus, man, it's is it's frustrating. But one thing I just figured out is I gotta reformat some of the flash drives I purchased. I purchased two little small flash drives that got a USB-C. So I have to reformat that in order to accept certain kind of video files. And that stressed me out because I already got documents on that now. And so that means I gotta either put them on a new flash drive or delete. I mean not delete, yeah. When you format, you delete it anyway. And anyway, no tech talk for you, so you already toned out how rude.

SPEAKER_01:

I done toned out. What you want me to say? I don't know nothing about and hey, it's okay. Flash drives and from the cloud to the hard drive to the Mac to the McDonald's. I don't even know.

SPEAKER_06:

It's okay. You can learn.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_06:

It's okay.

SPEAKER_01:

All right.

SPEAKER_06:

Well, that's what happened with me this week.

SPEAKER_01:

Why is it? Let's move on.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh my gosh. It's crazy. Let's talk about uh well, let's get some good questions. Oh, I had a story.

SPEAKER_00:

What? The lady that shot somebody at over because they hunked at her at the at the stop.

SPEAKER_07:

Yes, I had that that I sent you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Craziness.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. Remember, I said, don't be honking your horn.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, he does tell me that. There was a lady, I think she was in Indiana.

SPEAKER_07:

Yep. And she was at the at the green light.

SPEAKER_01:

On her phone, probably.

SPEAKER_07:

Yep. And uh the light turned green.

SPEAKER_01:

And she didn't go.

SPEAKER_07:

So the young man, he was, how old was that kid? He was like 19 or 21 or something like that. Within that age, he was a young guy. Hunked the horn, and then went around the lady. So the lady got pissed and followed him and shot through the rear passenger door. So on the, oh, she was on the other side.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_07:

Shot through the rear. So coming from this way, and it shot him, and it uh it tore through his lungs and his, I think they said his liver and his lungs. Oh. That's where the police are. They killed him. Uh-huh. Yeah, and it um they uh called 911 because his girlfriend was in the car.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_07:

Called 911, the police got there, and um, I want to say he died en route.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, to the hospital. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_07:

And so they got the information from uh the girl and from some uh traffic cameras.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh-huh. Oh, traffic cameras.

SPEAKER_07:

Uh-huh. And when they found the girl, the girl was trying to take some stickers off her car.

SPEAKER_01:

To uh Oh, when they pulled up.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, they would say she had she had already taken something off the car, some kind of like something that we identified. Uh-huh. And they was like, oh, so she's trying to get cover this up. And then when they got there and they they uh she she told them that the gun was in her room in a purse. And it was the gun that matched the caliber of the bullet that was uh uh dislodged. I think it was what found in the car or whatever. But uh Wow Yep for honking a horn at the red light. And now her she ain't gotta worry about no more red lights.

SPEAKER_01:

No.

SPEAKER_07:

Green lights or nothing.

SPEAKER_01:

Not at all. Like is it even that serious? Because I'm certain for most people who don't go, because I think we all, well, I won't say we all, but many of us can say that we're there's a point where one time we might have been in our phone and Or just not paying attention. Not paying attention and sitting at the at the green light and not going. And when somebody hunks at me, I don't get mad. I just go, oh, I raised my hand and say sorry and keep on going because you should have gone. The light was green.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, especially like you know, when I'm on my way to work and there's that one light was on my way to work and then the one coming from going right. Yeah, you take a right and it's like it's just an always constant green light. Yeah. And people don't know and they have traffic way.

SPEAKER_01:

It's like the lane's supposed to keep moving. Yeah. You just keep moving. You don't have to see it.

SPEAKER_07:

Even right here by Kroger, that thing says, Yeah, it says keep moving. And nobody's paying attention. They're not even looking at the signs. They don't look at the light with the arrow pointing. And so sometimes you hear people just honking. And if I'm honking at somebody, I honk when there's like a car and then another car, and then I'm behind them. So then I honk with the colour.

SPEAKER_01:

So you'll be the reason they get shot. Maybe. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_07:

But I honk, because I did that today. Uh this car was, I mean, we was sitting there. And I was like, yo, but it's always like on my way to work. The the uh the light that's near the new Well Star urgent care turns towards the school. It's always kids. So they won't go because they want they want it clear 100%.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, that's scary.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, and so I'm like, Don't need to be driving. No, you don't need to be driving yet. And so today, like, I mean, he was just sitting there and you could see him doing like this. So I was like, man. I was like, go.

SPEAKER_01:

You hunk out?

SPEAKER_07:

I hung, but I was behind another car.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, well, if you would have scared him, he would have gone out and crashed.

SPEAKER_07:

He wouldn't have crashed. Oh, because there was nothing coming.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, nothing was coming. Right.

SPEAKER_07:

So if he would have crashed, he would have crashed into the other side of the street. Okay. So I was like, go.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you don't need to be talking about it. Don't need to be driving. I'm just saying, they mm-mm.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, trust me, I like I have students that are always saying, Coach Hare, Dr. Hare, uh, my car is in the shop. I said, You just had yeah, I hit something else. Oh my gosh. Yeah, but they got money like this.

SPEAKER_01:

It's almost like this lady I saw on TikTok today. Her daughter was doing her driving test. So she was outside. She says, Y'all, I think she's on her way back. I think that's her coming back. And so uh she the girl was coming back and her mama's recording her. She goes, Okay, I know she passed. She passed. All right, she's going over the park. All right, y'all, let's go. So her mama's walking over to her where she's parking, and all of a sudden you hear something go bang, bang. She parked and ran into the metal fence.

SPEAKER_07:

So she didn't park.

SPEAKER_01:

And so the man said, Oh, uh, it's okay. The guy doing the test, he goes, Yeah, she just she accidentally ran into the fence. And so that video they posted today was seven years ago. It says where the girl was like, where you um didn't pass your driving test. But yep, and she did. I was like, Yep, she didn't need to drive a slice because goodness gracious, you just park it in the space.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, them kids they can't drive. Somebody hit uh one of our coaches' trucks the other day on a Saturday. They had like uh pictures or something like that, and somebody hit his truck and took off. It was parked there by where I normally park the Jeep. It's part right there, somebody hit that truck. I said, Oh, shoot.

SPEAKER_01:

And coming out of a high school, I know sometimes we I do my best if we train at a high school to try to get out of there. Yeah, out of that parking lot, either. The kids crazy when they drive or wait till after they dismiss because they drive crazy because some of them trying to show off.

SPEAKER_07:

Yep. And then they're on their phones, some of them on their phones, some of them driving crazy, some of them can't drive.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, some of them can't drive, so it's like it's you you need them to turn, but they also timid about turning that you never get out the parking lot because they also timid about going.

SPEAKER_07:

And then they wait till the last minute to go, and now you can't go when they could have gone and everybody could have gone yet.

SPEAKER_01:

Everybody could have gone. And so they do that often. Yeah, so we train in high school. If I if I get out, try to get out there before those high schoolers get on the road, or I said I'll just wait till y'all are done because it is a mess.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I try to leave when everybody's gone. Like 345. By then everybody's gone. Yeah. Because athletes are, you know, where they need to be. The kids are already a long line and foul out, so I'm like, okay, let me go ahead and get out of here now.

SPEAKER_01:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07:

Yep.

SPEAKER_01:

A mess.

SPEAKER_07:

All right, so let's let's get on some of those great questions, uh, part two of those questions that we had.

SPEAKER_01:

Part two, okay. All right.

SPEAKER_07:

Um I think I had another story too that I was gonna send, but I don't know. I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, I have one that brought up something for me. Okay. When is it acceptable to call them babe? Because last time our questions were like relationship. Um, I think the title of them were um Sugar Pie Honey Buns. Well, kind of, but it's just that they just have different titles about awkwardness with with relationships or whatever. So this one is actually like the wild card round. So this one says, because this made me think of something, but when it when is it acceptable to call them babe in front of their friends?

SPEAKER_07:

Um in front of the friends, I mean, I don't know. Um I would say let's see, let's see, let's see. Maybe a month? Yeah, I would say about a month. It depends on how how how you fall for the person. If you're falling for the person and you're spending a lot of time with the person, because I know if I'm into into someone, I'm spending a lot of time with them. I mean my fraternity brothers would be mad at me. And be like, well, you don't hang with us no more at all. I said, No, I don't hang with no hard legs, you know. Why not? I mean, why, you know, I love y'all. I mean, we I'm I see y'all at the frat meeting. I see y'all when we gotta sponsor the party. But other than that, you know, I'm trying to hang with my young Tinder.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, Tinder ruin it.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And but um I think what it just feels comfortable at some point at the same time. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07:

To me, but a month in time would be.

SPEAKER_01:

There are some people who do it too soon.

SPEAKER_07:

Kids do it. I'm telling you, kids do it quick.

SPEAKER_01:

Remember when one of our nieces, I'm not gonna say which one. Remember when they were dating somebody and they weren't dating long and the person kept calling, like, they called her her pops.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes. Pops. And yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_01:

And we were like out to dinner, or I don't know, when we had met them, and we were like, first of all, I don't know, they've been dating at the moment. We was at uh we were out to dinner, right?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, we we went, we yeah, forget it. We was at home.

SPEAKER_01:

We were in public, yeah, at home.

SPEAKER_07:

We were in public at the seafood restaurant.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh-huh. Yeah, that is that we that yeah. And I remember the young man like calling our nieces, her.

SPEAKER_07:

But the the crazy thing about that, he didn't like that's a uh, that's a territorial thing.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

And he didn't have to be territorial around family.

SPEAKER_01:

No.

SPEAKER_07:

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Which, which even put a red flag up, like Oh, the f the red flag was blazing for me. And um, and like, so for me, it was almost like, oh, he got to go.

SPEAKER_04:

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_07:

Like, cause this cat is crazy.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

You know what I mean? So when you when you're that territorial around, I understand if you're that around, you know, other future, I mean not future, but, you know, possible prospects as well. People who may be into her, you know, so you're trying to say, hey, baby. But around family, you don't have, you know, and so uh I was a little tripping about that. But yeah, and I didn't, and I definitely know the relationship was was new. It still had some of the tags on it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it still had tags on it. Size 10 on the pants.

SPEAKER_07:

Yes, yeah, a little on the tag. But uh, yeah, but in our high school kids, they do it all, they do it often. They do it often, man. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01:

Or even how they um um what is it not five, my three people. Share the location. They share their location, they share the location.

SPEAKER_07:

And I oh, when my oh man, when I had a classroom and my kids would come in there, like, because all it's always the the girls would come in. When uh coach hair story time. And, you know, and I had to give the fatherly advice because a lot of them, you know, didn't have pops. Um and a few of my my young men, we my baseball player, they would come in there and and ask, you know, and talk to me. Um But then young ladies, they was I and I would scorn them. Also, you know, I coached Lacks. Scorn them.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, yeah. Scull scold them.

SPEAKER_07:

Well, yeah, scold them. I'm sorry, scold them, my bad. Scold them because I'm like, uh-uh. You don't give him that much access. He hasn't earned anything to get that much access. You know what I'm saying? And and even that, I had to tell them, your friends don't even need to know your whereabouts 24-7. Because some of these that you're saying are your friends. Are not. They're keeping your uh location so that they can show whoever it is you're talking to. And, you know, like you say, if you're dating, the dating phase means that I'm not uh committed to anyone right now. And so they'll say that I've seen say share that location. Well, I ain't seen them, but I've heard them share that location with that other one and says, ask her where she was the other day. You know what I mean? And so, oh, it's yeah, but yeah, these youngsters, boy, they fall in. They fall in quick. Quick, quick, quick. So next.

SPEAKER_01:

Did you answer the question though? I said a month. Oh, okay.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

Boy, somebody needs that. They hearing has been horrible lately. Yeah, mama's yeah. Your mama can't hear.

SPEAKER_01:

Your whole generation can't hear.

SPEAKER_07:

Huh? You aren't you part of my generation?

SPEAKER_01:

No, I'm not related to you. But you in my life by blood.

SPEAKER_07:

You in my generation when they talk about your family generation.

SPEAKER_06:

And they talk about my generation, be like, oh, and his wife. Well, my either.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. When okay, this is a good one. How long before you can walk around their house in just a t-shirt?

SPEAKER_07:

Well, for a man never. What do you mean? You know he would walk around with a man just just a t-shirt, just balls free on the t-shirt. You might as well take the shirt off. That's a little you know what I'm saying. Take the t-shirt off.

SPEAKER_01:

So would it be for the guy walking around their boxers?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, it's undies or underwear. Yeah, and then the woman in the t-shirt.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Um so let's say you say what's the what's your opinion on either of those? Well, I guess it's the same thing, but man, man version, woman version.

SPEAKER_07:

If you've had, you know, intimate encounters with that individual, I think it's it's cool to be able to walk around in your boxers or Well, see, for a man it's kind of different because it's almost to that beach kind of attire. You know what I mean? But I know underwear is not the same as but boxers. But if it's if it's true, like boxer briefs and true boxer underwear, if you're wearing tidy whiteys or whatever, this underwear, I would say the the moment of intimacy.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

If you're planning on have being intimate that night, or you know, so and then some people say what I'm trying to lead up to the intimacy. Um be careful with that because you don't want the other person to feel pressure. They're like, oh, he's walking around in the draw. Oh my god, he's gonna ask me to sleep with him. You know?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, yeah, you shouldn't just be walking around in your drawers.

SPEAKER_07:

I know, that's why I said once the first moment of intimacy has occurred. Oh. Because now the pressure is not like you see what I'm saying? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And some people, yeah, some people will do certain things like that.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, they walk around and be like, oh, oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_01:

Take their shirt off.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, sorry, I didn't know. You was in the kitchen. I just came down and gave me some water.

SPEAKER_07:

That's how you see on them little shows, you know. Yeah. But um, I mean, yeah, because as there's nothing more uh I mean, there is something more sexy, but uh a moment of intimacy and then you know you walking around in your in a long shirt, you know. Like even one of the movies when they had it, they put on the man's dress shirt or something and they walk around in the apartment, you know, you see on those little love movies.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yes, like one of my favorite movies, um Pretty Woman.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, pretty woman. So, you know, I I think uh yeah, the first moment of intimacy, I think that's that's cool. What about you?

SPEAKER_01:

Um, yeah, I think that that's fine. I was just thinking, like, now when you go into these high schools, uh it's a new, I don't sometimes you want to do they have something underneath their t-shirt. Some of the girls have the t-shirts longer than the shorts. Um, so that may not be anything for this new generation.

SPEAKER_07:

They may Yeah, that's there's not a lot for uh the imagination anymore. No. You know, um, everything is already on display. Um but a lot of the, and I worry about them, a lot of these kids are already desynthesized. So it's like um, what will be the thing that turns them on? You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. Because they've seen it so often that now it's gonna be like and they'll get bored. Which, which is, you know, we see people, the relationships, we see people flipping fast. You know, gone are the days of of uh long committed relationships because of the boredom.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

You know, you having sex early, you've done all, you've pulled out all the tricks. And you know, there's no more, oh, I ain't doing that until I'm married. Like, I already did that. Right. I ain't doing that no more after, you know, once I'm there, you know. So Yeah, it's oof.

SPEAKER_01:

One of the sessions that I took at my conference, um, it was talking about like um social, not social media, I'm sorry, just uh devices, period. Um, how do we help this new generation because of the damage to the brain and different things that that um um the cell phone, the ones with apps um are doing to them. And so one of the things, like during some of the studies um for young men, it's porn. Um it's because of the phones and apps and access that they've seen such a huge increase um in them accessing teenagers accessing porn. Right. Specifically boys. Of course. So I just um wonder even for them how that will impact them in relationships.

SPEAKER_07:

Well, you know, a lot of um you hear, you know, different people speak on it when you you hear uh talk people talk about relationship and porn and things, or how does intimacy um differ from what somebody was taught, you know, as a as a kid watching porn or an adult watching porn. Um a lot of people, you know, often say that men are misguided by what they see in as intimacy and porn.

SPEAKER_04:

Mm-hmm. Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

And so then when they get into a relationship, they think that's what because and and I understand- That's the intimacy should be.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_07:

And I understand because many people are not taught, you know, how to be intimate. They're not, you know, a lot of it is self-discovery for the male. And so when when that occurs, you know, it's it's uh a lot of learning, but will the woman have patience enough to I well, I must kind of say teach, but more so help guide the man into learning what intimacy means to her, what romanticism is to her, what sexual uh romanticism is to her, because you know, on the on the phone or in the video, you're gonna see it's like first three minutes and it's it's a rap. You know? And so uh but that was an issue when it wasn't as easily accessible. So now that it is so easily accessible with phones and tablets and all that stuff, I wonder how much damage has been done or will be done because it's gonna continue to get even more uh accessible, especially now because now people are making so much money off of with OnlyFans and all that stuff. It's more people in the industry, you know, on platforms like such as X and which is Twitter, and you know, you can pull it up right there, it's like free porn. And how much damage will be done to the uh the art of romanticism because of that?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I also think parents, um if you live in my house, you're a teenager, I take care of you, I pay for your cell phone bill, um, then I should have access to that stuff.

SPEAKER_06:

Should be able to do a check-in.

SPEAKER_01:

And I think every now and again parents need to do a check-in.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I know when the boys were in high school, um, we had time with the phone shut off.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Um when it was time to be sleep, that's what we did. Right.

SPEAKER_07:

And that don't mean they can't they can't look at porn at 12 noon.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_07:

But at least we had some kind of control. Yeah. We knew they weren't gonna look at it all day.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_07:

You know, but yeah, we did have some control. And and with that being said, by us having some kind of control, is if you notice something, then use that as a teachable moment. If we notice that they're on point, oh well, why why do you feel the need that you need to see this? I understand the desires and I understand, but you do understand this is not how it really goes down. These people are being paid to perform in this manner. You do understand that this is not what some young lady is gonna say is right. And and I and that's where the problem lies because you know how we always say as soon as you tell your child not to do something, it's gonna make them want to do it more.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

But if you teach them why, oh, you may want to pump the brakes on that a little bit, you know, and then some of them may realize, oh, you know what, yeah, okay, that is. I don't need to fool with that. I don't need to do this, I don't need to do that. But it's uh I hey I'm I'm gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_03:

What?

SPEAKER_07:

Had it been available when I was a kid, sure, my minutes would have been up.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, gone. And that's but that's probably part of it. Like, I know for I remember the like for the boys and like some of their friends or people that they knew, like, and people I knew with teenagers, yeah. Um they would their parents, they how you don't get to look at my phone, and you like there was this ownership, like it was their phone. And yeah, I was always like, uh first of all, we're gonna. And if you want to have a phone, then you can get a job and pay for your own phone. But um, yeah, it's just different people like with the privacy, and just so often, not even just with things like porn, but any, lots of things.

SPEAKER_07:

Anything, especially with cyberbullying.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh-huh, with cyberbullying.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, with everything that was going on.

SPEAKER_01:

Like all the stuff, remember when when meeting people online, yeah, when people they don't know.

SPEAKER_07:

And the kids, so we was always, and kids were the ones that we knew that were always blue and down and taking depre antidepressants and stuff like that because they were all depressed. They were the main targets to online bullying. You know? So yeah, you you have you have to, as a parent, um, be involved. You have to be a snooper. Yep. You have to. I mean, it it just serves you well to be a snooper. And you have to explain it to your child why you are snooping, you know, and um be the parent and be in control.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's right, it's really about yeah, making sure they're safe because even though they feel like they know all the things, they don't know all the things. Right. And so it's not to be nosy, but it's mainly for their protection. And and then the thing about it is it's then you have conversations, like you said. You have conversations, it's not uh about reprimanding and I gotcha or that, but it's just open up dialogue and guiding and conversations.

SPEAKER_07:

I I bet you some of those same parents that say, no, he can close his door, he can he can have all the freedom or she can have all the freedom they want. I don't snoop in this, but I bet if their significant other, the person they was dating, was acting in secrecy like some of their kids are, they would lose it. They wouldn't go for that.

SPEAKER_01:

I always wonder where they the kids where their parents were so strict.

SPEAKER_07:

Rigid and stuff on there?

SPEAKER_01:

Rigid and strict, and so they're like, I'm not gonna be that with my case.

SPEAKER_07:

I was with ours, and mine was definitely strict with me.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

But I realized why they were strict because some of the kids who were able to go out every day, all day, I like I said, I can tell where some of them are at the crib now, or some of them are buried. You know what I mean? And so I'm thankful that they were um strict. Yes, they probably could release the reins a little bit on me because I was not gonna do that, uh, you know, some of those things they thought I was gonna do. But um at the same point, you know, I was, I'm not gonna say strict on my boys, but I was strict to the point where I wasn't like some of these other parents around it, like the kids I taught. And I that probably even made me more strict on them. I was like, oh no. Because even if you're not doing anything wrong, it's a knucklehead out there doing something wrong that may put you in danger. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So this is the feelings and commitment.

SPEAKER_06:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so when do you start? So thinking of somebody that's dating, when do you start meeting family or kids? So if they have kids or their family, when do you start meeting them?

SPEAKER_07:

I say. Well, you know, the black folk, boy, you gotta be careful with the family thing. Because when they feel like, oh girl, I met his mama, that meant something.

SPEAKER_01:

I think that means something to everybody.

SPEAKER_07:

It didn't to me.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, it didn't to you. Because it I think it depends on the person. I don't think it's a black or white or but you know, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_07:

You know, black folk, you'll bring around their mama that fast.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I I think it's just I think it depends on the person.

SPEAKER_07:

But I do know that because even my students just said that not too long ago. Uh two of my student, my uh former flag girls talking, and they said, I mean, his mama, and ooh, you know, child. When a black mama meets you, oh, you in there. And I'll just start laughing at him. But anyway, um, because I, you know, I can let somebody meet my mama. You know, hey, this is my mom, because I would introduce my mom to anybody.

SPEAKER_01:

But would that so if knowing what you just said, like what your flag football girl said, and you introduce your mom mom to anyone, do you think you could give them an idea of something that's more than what it actually is?

SPEAKER_07:

I definitely could. But I'm also a different person. I'm also the person that uh like let's say we go out on a date February the 10th. I'm getting you some of Valentine's Day if we're if we done talked on the phone and stuff. That's four days. I'm getting you something for Valentine's Day.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, you can probably really lead someone on.

SPEAKER_07:

I could probably lead someone on that first day. Because I'm uh I'm Mr. Too Nice. But that's how I am too. I'm I'm nice and kind to anyone.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

You see what I'm saying? So I'm probably gonna lead you on regardless.

SPEAKER_01:

Which hence why that girl came up to the school that time looking for you when we probably so.

SPEAKER_07:

Probably so.

SPEAKER_01:

So then you have to be careful.

SPEAKER_07:

Probably do. Probably do. But I do know the difference between You do, but do do that. But but I can't you can't a lot of stuff you can't help. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01:

But so how okay, so like if I hold the door and say, oh, here I got it. So are you aware if somebody took your kindness as as as flirtation or so what do you do in that instance?

SPEAKER_07:

I bring up my wife. Oh, okay. Yeah. I I bring up my wife, you know, and I I bring you up anyway in conversations. But if somebody starts asking, I said, Oh yeah, my wife and I, I'm like, maybe they didn't hear me the first time. I said, something about my wife. You know, but then like that one lady told me in um Kroger, Camp Creek, she said, uh, she said, excuse me, I said, and she was we was talking um about the TV. Because, you know, I was still kind of fresh back then. 2006 wasn't too long. And so uh I said, Oh yeah, I'm married. She said, I am too. I said, I was like, okay, let me get up out of here. And but you know, so you can't you can't help what somebody else's intentions and plans are.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, you can't, but okay, did you answer the question? So fa for you, it's just doesn't matter. There's not a timeline for meeting family.

SPEAKER_07:

Um what about it's you can meet them, but it's how I introduce you to family.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, so what give an example?

SPEAKER_07:

So if I if if we're just I say, hey, this is uh friend of mine, you know, we're just we're dating. You know, we just started dating. I'll say we just started dating a couple days ago, but uh boom.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

You know what I mean? Um now if if it's serious, I'll be honest right in front of, and I'm not embarrassing, I think I've done that before. This is such and such. Uh we're getting a little serious now, you know. And uh may, may, it may embarrass.

SPEAKER_01:

Why are you saying that? I think you did that with Muddy or with me.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I told Muddy, because I told Muddy, I I mean, what did I say? I said uh, because we met Muddy uh, it was during during uh Thanksgiving. Yeah, Thanksgiving. No, Christmas. Christmas, I'm sorry, yes. It was during Christmas. And I had already told you I loved you then. So um, and I said, Mother, I said, yeah, we getting we getting pretty serious, my dear. Oh then when that mother's mother said, I think he loves you. And I was like, I done told her already, Mother.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_07:

And then what mother asked us?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh. So we went by there to see her before we left. Yeah, and she says, Well, did um, did you have pleasure while you were here? I said, What?

SPEAKER_07:

I thought she talked, did you enjoy being here? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So I said, Yeah, we had a good time, but I was like, but I thought maybe she went that too.

SPEAKER_07:

And then she said, again, no, did you have pleasure? And we said, Oh, I said, Yeah, my dear, we pleasure all the time. Yeah, but no, I um, yeah, meet like I said, meeting my family, because uh I love my family and I love introducing people to my family.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

You know what I'm saying? Like I would I would introduce somebody to my brothers, to my cousins, even on the first date, I would introduce them to me. Um because if I'm even out with you, I think something of you. Okay. But at the same time, you know, I can kind of get something from people too. Like they'd be like, she's straight. I ain't like such a such number like that. Oh, the biggest thing. And then they kind of make yeah, they kind of helped me look out for it too. Okay. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01:

So what about yourself? What of oh well, what about the kids part? What is the kids? Oh, the kids. What do you think? I mean, you you haven't had to experience that, but if you had to, what do you think for people meeting kids? What are you what is what is your opinion on that?

SPEAKER_07:

Um, it's it's different because older kids will understand, more so than younger kids. Um and depending on how long mom has been single or dad has been single, depends on how many people they've met. You know what I mean? And and how it affects the kids. So you gotta talk to them. So how how does it feel when I introduce you to somebody? Well, dad, I don't like it because I done seen three women in the last two months. You know, or dad, it's perfectly fine. I like it when because now we can kind of get a vibe, you know. So you kind of want your kids' input in it. Um and I think you you you can't hide around me. I don't bring nobody around my kids until we serious. Well, the problem with that is Well, if they don't mess with your kids. If they don't mess with your kids and you're serious, now you're heartbroken and you're probably saying, men ain't ish because you know, no, you you know, you can't put that on them. You know, so I think there is a a line in which, you know, you gotta you gotta one, understand the maturity of your kids.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_07:

Um, and you gotta understand the seriousness of what you're what your intentions are. Are you in are you dating for long term?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Are you dating just to be have fun?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so you need to know that yourself. That's true. Because if it's just to have a good time or you're not going to be serious, then yeah, there's no need to introduce people to your children.

SPEAKER_07:

And then your dating is gonna be limited.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Like your dating should almost be secret meetup. Yes, it should be meetups.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07:

It should be just strictly mom's going out Friday night, we're gonna meet up, and and and you need to understand.

SPEAKER_01:

Or it's the day that weekend they, if they're with their dad, or they're with who with their cousin, whatever.

SPEAKER_07:

And then if you're going out on a certain night, mom can't be staying out late, late. You gotta, if you got a four-hour window, you better eat, laugh, and screw all within that four-hour window and come back home. So that, you know what I mean? So that the kids is not questioning and all that stuff, and then now you gotta lie to them and or it's just And I like the idea of um talking to them about it.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

But also just to kind of show them what healthy dating looks like.

SPEAKER_04:

That's right.

SPEAKER_01:

And if you can't do it in a healthy way, then to me, you're just not ready. I don't care how old you are. That's right. Um, so um, yeah, I like the idea of asking them what they think about it. Because even for some of them, I think once they get like eight or nine, I feel like you can still have those conversations with them. Yeah. But yeah, I think that's that is the healthy way um of doing it and them understanding what dating is. And then, but it first starts with you knowing what in the world am I dating for in the first place?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So, yep, I like that. Now, as far as family, um I think I don't know if it's different for women. I'm thinking about like to my dating times. For some instances, I wanted my somebody to know who I was going on a date with. Right. Um, so that part was important to me. So even if I introduce you, just so you know, something happened, this is who I'm with. This is who it is, yeah. This is who it is. This who I'm with. Um, and so I think with my mom, we always had open, we always talked about who I was dating and stuff about the people I was dating. And she was gonna for without a doubt, let you know whether or not she did or did not like somebody.

SPEAKER_06:

Okay, what she said.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, she didn't have to say anything, it was all in action.

SPEAKER_07:

Um my god, you gotta think.

SPEAKER_01:

No, no, because I'm I'm no, I'm not no. What I'm saying is, no, she liked you, but what I'm saying is you knew when she did not, because it was stronger action.

SPEAKER_07:

I just try to I just asked the question. What she said.

SPEAKER_01:

But I can't remember what she said. Babe, that was like 23 years ago. I can't remember what she said about you, but I know um like what she said after immediately meeting you. Like I can't remember what she said about you, but I know that she thought you were a good person, a good man. And then, but I can't say think about what she said immediately. For my mama, if she, if you were okay, I didn't necessarily hear about like her go on and on about somebody. If she didn't like you, that was immediate. So if you came over and she didn't like you, she was gonna make sure she answered the door.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So that she could open the door, not say a word to you, um, and then go up the stairs and you just looking real crazy. So she, yeah, she didn't. You was gonna know that. So if she didn't do all of that, then you were good.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

So that is the thing about my mama. Like, if she didn't care for you, you'd like to be good. Yes, yes. Yes, I was good. Yeah, so um, so yeah, that's what I think for for family in that way. Now I guess that would be my immediate family would know, like, like now extended family. Um, it would be somebody I was like really like, I was really dating. Um, but if I was going to date, somebody was gonna meet them so that I they knew who I was with. Um, so anyways, that that would be that. But I I think it's just w really, like you said, it all boils down to what are your intentions or goal for dating. If you're not being serious, there ain't no need to introduce them to family in that in that way.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I was a very private person when when I was but the bulk of my dating, of course, was in college. Um my serious dating, because you know, I didn't have the opportunity to date as much in high school. Um won limitations and selections and this uh restrictions I was under.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

You know. So um, but and even when I was at Troy, I didn't date like because I was still like, oh, this girl's great. It's gonna be my girlfriend. You know, so it was like that was it. Lockdown, no, because you know, back growing up in high school, if you let one go, you're waiting in line for another one.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, so you just trying, get them real quick.

SPEAKER_07:

Grab one, and this is mine. Yeah, we're together forever. Oh, broke my heart, okay. This was mine. Together forever, you know what I'm saying? But when I when I went to Alabama State, you know, I had a little more maturity about myself and the selection was different. And um it was just different, you know. But and but I but I moved quietly because it was still that what we talked about before, where somebody finds out, oh, you talking to Keith look, I know I can get you then. You know what I mean? That kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01:

I think that's a guy thing.

SPEAKER_07:

It might be. Yeah. But uh, but I, you know, but I never But you wouldn't do it.

SPEAKER_01:

No, it's you to another guy.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, it's you know, it's just oh well, dang, congratulations. Um, but my person that I told or introduced or said, This is who I want you to watch them, was Sharita.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_07:

So she would be, oh no, she's good. She or she would be like, um, you remember the one you told me about? Hmm. Well, let me tell you.

SPEAKER_01:

That's exactly how she sounds. That's exactly how Sharita sounds.

SPEAKER_07:

She was just around the other dorm with such and such. And I'd be like, what? Yep.

SPEAKER_01:

I'd be like, You look just like her.

SPEAKER_07:

All right, yeah, well, cut her, then I cut them off, you know, easily, quick. Um, but that was my she was my um introduced her to, you know, stuff like that, introduce them to. And even the same thing. And it was like with you, if they couldn't accept Sharita, then I knew relationship wasn't going nowhere. Like when I told you, well, you know, I have a friend, you know, and and I think I put y'all on the phone one time, and to my knowledge, you was cool with, but I know, you know, it's still tough.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it is. I yeah, I think so. And I and I think it's more so not um getting to really know and spend time and get to really um know people. But then also it's a thing that is not okay with a lot of women. It's not. So it's not if you share that information with some other women, then do be prepared. If you say your husband, one of your husband's best friends is a is a woman, they all kind of look like I was ready for for you to say no, I was like, all right, bet.

SPEAKER_07:

And that's just how it would have went. Because, you know, I I knew her, you know what I'm saying? I knew her, you know, I trusted her. And we were in the phase of getting to know each other, trusting each other and all that stuff. And if it wouldn't have worked, I'd be like, well, okay. I'm sorry. You know, that's the loyalty I have for my friend. And um, but when you stuck around, I said, and I was even saying, well, even she, I said, she planned the game right. I said, but if she sticks with me long enough, she'll she'll know. She'll know she's, you know, that everything is on the up and up. And um you last it. You lasted. Um, but it's difficult. I know it's very difficult. But that's the that's the thing about our relationship is that stuff that wouldn't go for other people, we are the outliers to show people that yeah, it may not work in everybody's day, but this is how it goes. Yeah, you and your husband may not laugh all the time, but we do, we laugh at least once a day with each other. Like, I cannot pinpoint a time where, and I'm sure it's probably been a time where you get mad at 24 hours, yeah. But I can guarantee you if we did a percentage-wise, it would be 98 to 99 percent of us laughing with each other. Yeah, you know what I mean? So that's not coming. You know, a lot of stuff is not coming, but that's the blessing that you know God has put on us, and I I appreciate it. So, all right, what's another question?

SPEAKER_01:

We still want to do another question?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, what time we got?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know how long we've been going.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, we got we're almost an hour.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, okay.

unknown:

Yep.

SPEAKER_01:

Do you want to do one more question?

SPEAKER_07:

We got anything like in a different category or something.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, let me see.

SPEAKER_07:

Let's see what we and then we'll wrap it up and get on up out of this train.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

Out of this. We'll blow this popsicle stick.

SPEAKER_01:

I know Kimani's popsicle stand.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, blow this popsicle stand. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Kimani's here, guys.

SPEAKER_07:

He came in. I made him stop by Bucky's to get his mom a treat.

SPEAKER_01:

I wonder what kind of treats they got me, y'all. Because I don't know why he's trying to act like he stopped at Bucky's for me, because I don't think he did. Oh my God.

SPEAKER_07:

I think he's. Every time we go to Bucky's, I try to get her something.

SPEAKER_01:

I think he stopped at Bucky's for him.

SPEAKER_07:

Who said you can't get something for yourself and for your wife? Like, I don't understand.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't understand.

SPEAKER_07:

I'm telling you, look, she getting ready, I promise you. She getting ready to cash in on that refund. She getting ready to cash in big time. And when I trade her in, gonna be like my G. Like my G, oh my God. I pulled over twice today.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, because of the thing.

SPEAKER_07:

The death wobble got so bad today. Like I was, I was.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, why you keep driving it?

SPEAKER_07:

Because I don't want to put that many miles on the Tesla because I'm trying to keep it under the mileage by February.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. All right, here's our last question.

SPEAKER_07:

All right.

SPEAKER_01:

If you could swap lives. For one day.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

You and I could swap lives for one day. What's the first thing you would do as the other person? What would you do if you could be me? What would you do?

SPEAKER_07:

If I could be you for one day, what would I do?

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, I know what I'd do if I could be you.

SPEAKER_07:

I would. Um let's see. If I could be you for one day.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, me too, because I'll tell you what I do.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, go ahead and tell me.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. I would go swimming.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh.

SPEAKER_01:

Because you're a great swimmer. I would go swim, swim, swim, swim, swim. And uh I would also um well you probably can't do it no more, but I try a backflip. And I would build something. Like make something. You got a busy day. Yeah, those that's what I would do. If I could be the first thing to do, I'm gonna go swim. After I swim, I'm gonna try a backflip. Maybe I'll try in the pool, like off a diver board.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, you can do that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I would do that. And then I'm gonna go build something. I don't know what I would build. What's something I really would want to do?

SPEAKER_07:

You'd be frustrated cut the boards and threw my tools all around somewhere and then can't find them.

SPEAKER_01:

I think maybe I would build something. Um I don't know what I would build. What's something I really would want that I really want?

SPEAKER_07:

I don't know. Build your bookshelf.

SPEAKER_01:

That's how I thought about a bookshelf or something like that.

SPEAKER_07:

A bookshelf and then a nightstand or a little small round table.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I'd do something like that. That's what I would do if I were you.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. All right. I was gonna say, if I were you, I'll just, with no bra, just stand in the mirror and shake my boobies, but I mean, I've done that before.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_07:

I've done that before when I was fat. So when I had boobies.

SPEAKER_01:

You did not do that.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I did. I was like, nah, but uh, what would I do? Um if I were you, um, oh man. I would let me be quiet. Get you in trouble. I was gonna get you in trouble.

SPEAKER_01:

You're gonna say about my word. Yep. Oh God, don't say that.

SPEAKER_07:

And I was gonna be, but I would have to be my my, you know, my um nice, nasty self. Yeah. And have a great day at work. The next day you would be like, I'll be fired.

SPEAKER_01:

They'd be like, Kree, you fired.

SPEAKER_07:

But it would be nice, nasty.

SPEAKER_01:

That's right.

SPEAKER_07:

It'd be to the point where it'd be like, they'd be like, ooh, I didn't realize that. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01:

That's what I told the the um lady when I when I was at the conference, um there was an instance with some people that were at the conference at the at a bar, and the bartender told them they couldn't talk about political things. And um, they were just kind of taken aback by that. But the lady was telling me about what happened to them, and I was like, oh gosh, I was like, if that were my husband and I, I was like, he would do so well in that situation. I was like, he is so great, like on the spot with his like words that he can be like so nice, nasty, and then you walk away and go, he just told me off. And so she asked me, she goes, What do you think he would say? I go, I don't know, that's why I just told you. I can't take on the spot. I go, but he would have handled that bartender so well in that situation or whatever. But yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

I know what I'll do.

SPEAKER_01:

But that wouldn't be me. That would be, you wouldn't be doing me, you'd be doing you.

SPEAKER_07:

I would run a 5K.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh.

SPEAKER_07:

Because I haven't run without my lungs and my heart and my left arm hurting since COVID. Oh so I would run a 5K.

SPEAKER_01:

Because I'm a runner.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, you're a runner. And I used to be the runner.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

And then all of a sudden, you know, then it switched, and I had my my ankle injury first. No, my knee, I had a knee. Remember, the knee got kind of locked up, then I had my ankle injury. And then freaking. Then that the COVID beat me down. Yeah, but I can't breathe the same no more. But that's what I would do. Yeah, I would get in a 5K and I would be running so hard. Oh, I'd be slow then though.

SPEAKER_01:

Why?

SPEAKER_07:

Because I'd be you.

SPEAKER_01:

I am not slow.

SPEAKER_07:

I'd be in a run all day.

SPEAKER_01:

Now you're not gonna win.

SPEAKER_07:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

But you ain't gonna be the last one, and you'll be somewhere in the middle.

SPEAKER_07:

But I'm gonna get back there.

SPEAKER_01:

Top, top, middle percentage.

SPEAKER_07:

I'm gonna get back there. Cause this is what I said, told myself. What? If I'm not selected, well, I know I'm supposed to I should be selected for the next all-stars. Um then I'm gonna go on this this like transformation where I'm not trying to put on like the muscle muscle, but I'm gonna like really yeah, like real cut in and and slim it down so that I can get back. Hopefully that may help, you know, with my breathing and all that stuff. But I don't know if that's gonna help. But I mean, I'll be able to train differently too. But uh I definitely said if I if if because I'll probably throw in the towel for challenge stuff after this last one, um, just so I can just do do me. So I'll get back to the I'll get back to like under 200. If I get under 200, yeah. That's what I'm gonna do so I can be a runner again. Alright, so what are you oh side eye? Side eye of the week.

unknown:

Oh god.

SPEAKER_07:

What's your side eye of the week? Um my side eye of the week um is it's my my Jeep. It's uh it's my dream car. Like if I won the the Powerball when it was it a Powerball or Mega Million, that was like trillion dollars almost, a billion dollars. A billion dollars. I would have bought a brand new Jeep if I would have had two billion dollars in my pocket, I still would have bought a brand new Jeep. Right, you know, that would have been the first vehicle I'd have bought. Um and so I love I love my Jeep. It's paid for, it's souped up, it got all the stuff I want. And but the if you Jeep owners, I didn't know the death wobbles when, you know, every now and then some well, not everybody's, but select vehicles at times, it gets to where the suspension gets messed up and it uh it just starts wobbling the front wheel. And so you get it, you know, fixed, they'll put a new suspension arm on it or stabilizing bar, and then it fixes it. But mine has been acting up, you know, and I got it fixed like three times and it's acting up again. And this time on the way to work, it uh made me stop twice because it got so bad. I'm talking about where I couldn't even drive. And then I pulled over and people's looking at me like, I saw it wobbling, like, yeah, get out of here. And um, it's just frustrating because it's like it was doing perfect while I was had it and the Tesla, but now since I'm turning the Tesla in um in February, um because old boy nutting up, you know, I don't want to fool with Tesla anymore. Um but the Tesla's fine, amazing car, but it's just the stuff that's tied with it. I don't want to be a part of that. Um so um my girl's acting up. So I know what's gonna have to happen. I have to get rid of her. Because if I keep fixing a stabilizer arm and it keeps, you know, it's getting old, it's just it's like, yo, somebody will get rid of her. But I'm gonna get another one, then I'm gonna have to have a car payment again. I don't want a car payment. But I feel like what I'm paying in the lease for the Tesla, if I trade it in for whatever I can, hopefully it'll put back where you work? Yeah, my Jeep payment, you know, to be good. Because that's what I'm getting again.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, you've decided that.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, because I said I would love to have another electric vehicle. I love them. They're the funnest things ever. But will I be able to live without a Jeep?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh.

SPEAKER_07:

You know what I'm saying? Um I did want the truck, the Jeep truck, but I think I just I think I'm gonna get the Jeep. Get a black one. Never had a black one before. Unless electric vehicle comes out with a great deal by the end. But hey. All right. What is your side out of the week?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, this I was trying to think, and I think I'm gonna go with how I felt like I was treated in a store.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, at the uh uh Anthropology. Anthropology in Chattanooga.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Um working with y'all customer service.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I was like, one year downtown by the convention center. Oh, God. I think it's Broad Street by the coffee shop. I don't know what this is. Yeah, it's within the building.

SPEAKER_01:

But anywho, um just really I wouldn't have even paid any mind because it was earlier on like they had probably just opened.

SPEAKER_07:

No excuse.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know.

SPEAKER_07:

No, I'm just saying, no. It's not an excuse. Um your A-Man corner.

SPEAKER_01:

And so I think I feel like I was the only person in there at the time.

SPEAKER_07:

Definitely no excuse.

SPEAKER_01:

And so then I was walking around just really browsing and looking, and um anthropology is really not a store I typically like go to because I do think it's over. I'm a bargain shopper. They do have sale items though. Um, and so uh but I went because I think it was just more nostalgic because that's one of Jocelyn's favorite little stores. So I was like, well, let me just go in because I never really go in and look. Look, I kind of just look in the window and kind of gave keep going. So I went in and so just took my time just kind of looking through things, and they had some cute things, and um, so I didn't, I was like, nobody's even said hello or anything like that. And so then um some other ladies came in and they got a hello. Hello, and then I finally got a hello because I think they probably because made my face look like oh so y'all do talk. Um, and I don't know. I my I would have said hello.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, I thought you were talking to me. Yeah, I would have said it all the way from the other side. They would be like, oh, oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_01:

And I probably should have left, but I don't know. I felt like I was kind of being judged a bit of because of who I am as a black woman or a black person, period. Maybe not. I don't know. Anywho, uh maybe I don't know. So I did like when we had gone, we had gone to anthropology. I forgot where we were. Remember, I was looking at that initial necklace and I saw that.

SPEAKER_07:

It was in uh we were in um um uh uh um Detroit. Not Detroit when I did Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

That was Detroit.

SPEAKER_07:

Was that no, well, it wasn't caught. That part wasn't we would flew into Detroit, but yeah, it was like right outside Detroit.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's where we were. I was like trying to remember, and I was trying to decide that did I want to get it then? I was like, nah, I won't get it. Anywho, so Or was that Napa?

SPEAKER_07:

I don't remember where it was.

SPEAKER_01:

It was either Detroit Napa because it was a little bit I was gonna get it then because I really liked it. And then um, so there I was like, oh, let me see, because they had some necklaces on sale. But that's just supposed to be one of their signatures because it wasn't on sale. And so I was like, I ended up buying it. And I probably should have not, I probably should have done a a pretty woman big mistake. Big. But I didn't do that. I wanted to show them that, like, yes, I'll can buy something in here if I want to buy something in here.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, and so um I did that. They maybe didn't care, but I don't know. I felt like I needed to show them that yes, we can buy things out of here. Um, and so um, anywho, that's my side.

SPEAKER_07:

Next time somebody does that, if we're with each other, we're gonna say, Oh, I need your name and such and such. I said, Thank you. I'm a secret shopper. Oh, that's see what they say.

SPEAKER_01:

We go, oh my God.

SPEAKER_07:

And then get off scared, and then we just walk out.

SPEAKER_01:

I thought about that too. I thought about saying something about that.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, just say, Oh, I'm a um, well, yeah, you guys didn't do too well. I was sent in here by corporate as a secret shopper, so thank you. And I would take a picture and walk out.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I started to side I am in that way. I mean, I mean, not side I am, but that is my side eye, but I started to eat like something like that. So, anyways, yeah. Um, and I think for as much as the things cost in anthropology, they ought to all have a smile. It doesn't matter. Like I mean, it shouldn't matter. I know I know, it shouldn't matter, right? But I'm just saying, yeah, you know, um, yeah, they were acting pretty ho hoy toy-dy side eyes up in there. So that's my side eye to them, and I don't think I will ever go back in there again.

SPEAKER_07:

In that one, or just in the apology period.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know. Maybe I'll give them a shot somewhere, somewhere here.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, you never know. It might be somebody. It might just be them.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it might have just been them.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And well, and it might have just been that whole little place because I I on my way out of Chattanooga, they had lots of coffee shops I wanted to try. So I said, I'm gonna try two on my way out. So the one coffee shop I went to, they were so sweet and so kind. I didn't really like their coffee though. So I'm not gonna say which one it was. Um, I didn't really like their coffee, but they were so kind. Um, and then the other one I went to was in that same spot place where anthropology was, and they made the coffee. And I always say, like, even Starbucks, thank you. And he didn't even look my way, respond back when I said thank you. So maybe that area is just that because it's maybe maybe the customers they deal with are that way. I don't know. But it don't matter, but it doesn't matter because if somebody is kind and speaking and smiling and doing all the things, you're supposed to be sending. Yeah. So, anyways, yeah, they that I I won't ever go to that little shopping area again. I I just they were very, very.

SPEAKER_07:

I'm just lost out because we're getting ready to be rich. And we're gonna spend our money across the street and let y'all see it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so anyways, that's how. Yes, I'm gonna go back in there and go, big mistake.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, big big mistake. Buy some stuff and that I don't want it anyway.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, take it back.

SPEAKER_07:

Take it back. Then we'd be acting as ugly as them. Yeah, we can't do that.

SPEAKER_01:

We can't do that. So, anyways, that's my side eye.

SPEAKER_07:

All right, so what are you looking forward to? Between now and next episode, whenever that is.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, well, I don't know if y'all know this, but a few months ago, not a few, it's been a little while now, um, my hairdresser left me. Maisha? Maisha left me, and she moved back home because she was.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, Benny.

SPEAKER_01:

She was with child, and she wanted to move home to be closer to her family, and so she left. And I think my last visit with her was like May or April, something like maybe May. I can't remember. Anyways, um, so I am now getting ready to try a new hairstylist on Saturday. So I'm really looking forward to that. I saw her work online, and it was um um Masha was the best, very sweet, kind, just a great spirit. So, and I found her on Instagram. So I said, let me try again. So I kept looking at looking, and I found this young lady, and so I'm gonna try her on Saturday, and so I'm excited because I think it's gonna be great.

SPEAKER_07:

All right, we're gonna have positive vibes, we're gonna pray about it.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't think the Lord would steer me wrong because he knows how important it is to me. So I'm excited about um trying the a new hairstylist on Saturday. So that's what I'm doing on Saturday. So I'm looking forward to that.

SPEAKER_07:

All right. So for myself, what am I um looking forward to? Um, I guess I'm I'm looking forward to it, but not looking forward to it, you know, getting started. Like I said, the this week started the class, my my next two classes. But I know the sooner I start turning in assignments, the sooner they'll be over with. So um, you know, I'm kind of looking forward to that because then after that, I think I have like three more actual like working classes, what book work and stuff like that. And then I have my practicum internship, um, which I still can't find the location. Gotta find somebody. And we'll talk about that next week, because I think it may be, remember what we said? Well, gatekeepers. I think it may be some gatekeeping going on because I emailed some more people and still nothing.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

You know, and uh You're gonna have to drive. I know, I'm gonna have to drive there. Um, but it's uh but it's like reach out to us and then you don't well don't be you know, be professional.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

You know what I mean? If you if you want somebody to contact you, then contact is a two-way street. You know? Um so I'm looking forward to you know, starting classes so that I can get started. And I'm looking forward to this weather. I looked on the on 10-day forecast.

SPEAKER_01:

It's gonna be fall.

SPEAKER_07:

Yes, like I think after the rain next Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, something like that, or Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, the temperature, the highest temperature is gonna be like 63 degrees.

SPEAKER_04:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07:

It's gonna be perfect. Oh, and a discovery. They found mosquitoes in the Antarctica. In Iceland or Antarctica?

SPEAKER_01:

No, Iceland, you said. Iceland, yes.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. And the first time ever, because of the temperatures have um dropped so global warming. Yeah, well, dropped, I mean, have risen so much that mosquitoes are not found where they were never found before. So all my people in the south, get ready, and the mosquitoes are coming back. And for me, mosquito hawks, they're gonna get her. So, other than that, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna get up out of this thing. Um thank y'all for sticking with us. Um questions. If you have any questions that you would like for us to ask, or stories that you would like to share with us, anything strange, crazy you want us to talk about, even if it's just weird. Uh leave us a chat. Uh leave us a story, and uh if you put your name in there, we'll say, hey, this story was given to us by uh Crazy Daisy. Crazy Daisy out of Minneapolis, Minnesota. And we'll read it live on the air. Well, not live. Well, it'll be live to us, but by the time you get it yeah, you'll still be live because you'll be looking at it live.

SPEAKER_01:

That's true.

SPEAKER_07:

Because if you're not alive, you're dead. You come on now. Preach that word. All right, so we're gonna get up out of here. I am Kefla, Linda and Calvin's middle child.

SPEAKER_01:

And I am Lucretia, Curtis, and Ella.

SPEAKER_07:

Only daughter.

SPEAKER_01:

Only daughter, child.

SPEAKER_07:

That's right. You're the first daughter. So you're the oldest daughter and the youngest child, the youngest daughter.

SPEAKER_01:

And the oldest acting child.

SPEAKER_07:

So we're gonna get up out of here on that note. This is the Refreshingly Normal Podcast. We'll see you when we see you.

SPEAKER_05:

Adios, backingly normal podcasts.