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52 . Andreas Wettainen - Unbroken Performance - Tech - Sweden - USA

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Andreas joins the podcast to visit about his life experience moving to the USA from Sweden . From the airline industry to technology , utilizing MODx and his fitness program Unbroken Performance . This is great ! 

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SPEAKER_00

Welcome to the Trevor Buck Podcast, episode 52. And this episode is sponsored by Maverick Tent Sauna. Check them out at shopmaverick.com. Use the Trevor Buck discount. And if you're getting into saunas, this is a good um entry level. So you can get this portable sauna. You don't have to build a structure, and it comes with everything you need. It comes with a tent, set it up, comes with the stove, and uh yeah, it's a good way to try it. And I'm really excited to do this podcast today. Welcome, Andreas Weiten. Thank you. From Sweden. Thank you. How are you? Really good. And uh this is amazing. What part of Sweden did you grow up in?

SPEAKER_01

I grew up in Uppsala, uh-huh, uh Stockholm, area, in the middle. Okay, not far away from uh where many people on your podcast probably been, Kneevsta.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. Yep. And uh and uh what age you started making some trips over to America. And how old were you when you came to America?

SPEAKER_01

So back in uh early 2000, I worked for uh uh Scandinavian Airlines and I was a loading loading supervisor. So I had flying benefits, so I came out here a lot, and that was my first trip was 2002, I think. Um to the East Coast, then it spanned to Minneapolis, and then eventually the West Coast and you crazy hillbillies.

SPEAKER_00

This is great. Keno and you liked America.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, I was I was uh extremely uh uh liking America, especially because when I came out here, you guys got would give me rock stars, you would put me on a snowmobile, we would go motocross, everything was just uh it was limitless.

SPEAKER_00

It was just so fun all the time. Okay, so and I want people to know that maybe haven't been to Sweden or don't know, but so those things it's not the same in Sweden.

SPEAKER_01

You can do you can do you can have fun in Sweden, but everything because right now it's a fitting time because when oil and gas, gas is so high in Sweden. So you can do all these cool things in Sweden, but you you kind of have to pick one. And it's because gas mainly is so expensive, you don't get the same activity. You do sweet in Sweden you do things when you have vacation. Here you do things more all the time. That's that's the main difference. I'm not saying you can't have fun in Sweden, but it's it was easier for me to when I started traveling out here to come and and it was everything was more accessible, you find more people to do things on the weekend instead of waiting to the summer months for a vacation trip.

SPEAKER_00

Yep, yep. And um, we'll get into this later because this will be exciting, but um, you've had opportunities here, and now you even have your own uh business that we're gonna talk about. But it is that possible in Sweden?

SPEAKER_01

So it's I went I had the the most fun actually when I was living in Sweden and I was coming out here because I worked for the airline company and I made a deal with the guys I work with. So I would work a week and I would be off a week. And with my flying benefits, I could come out here and uh basically when I would come out here, I sometimes would drop by Norway or Finland and pick up other people that wanted to come to America on my flying benefits. So they would pay their trip, my trip, hotels, they would give sometimes give me pocket money, and then I come out here and I do web design, side work. So I got paid to come here on all directions from the people that I would bring, from the whatever I would do here, and then I I was there on vacation time.

SPEAKER_00

That's great.

SPEAKER_01

This is good, this is great. It was a pretty good life.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so and you you made many trips, right? And eventually you met your wife. Yep. And uh, how long have you been married? Uh since 2009. Okay, and that's interesting because she is actually from Canada. Yep. So she's Canadian citizen, yep, and also now US citizen. Yep. Her mom is American. Okay, so that's that's amazing. And uh you've uh this uh you you you had your own home, you had your own home, and uh I can tell that uh you know you really enjoyed living the American dream. You had a garage. Yep. Would it did you use your garage as storage or did you park your car in it? So you're talking about here? Yeah, no, your other house. Oh, you sold it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, it was it was basically a gym. Okay. Yeah, I built up a home gym. Okay. And uh I uh it it's I think because I went from the airport to then computer work. Okay, I went in, I had to figure out uh a way to exercise and get stay healthy. Well if you if you're working in an office, I don't have to tell you you need to work to exercise. Yep. So I built up a home gym and and I had a lot of guys come over and get introduced to working out in my garage.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, okay. And you did some uh I remember you started uh walk in. Yep. And then were you doing some uh almost like distance running?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. So I uh it's it's all it's all connected here. So uh I've I've done everything wrong. I grew up smoking and eating drinking rock stars and being fat and and and working at the airport, I did not exercise, so I got injuries, uh back injuries, whatnot. But once um and it's funny because I'm a lot of the the charm with moving to America was burgers and all the food. Did you like Red Robin? Yes. I'd say Red Robin is is huge. That's I would actually fly out here sometimes for your weekend and and just make sure I had I had to get to Red Robin.

SPEAKER_00

I love it.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. We have burgers in Sweden. Sure. I don't want to say it's not a poor country. Yeah, sure, sure. But but you it's it's just yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It's it's different. Yeah. Okay. Now you talked about this uh this computer stuff. So you've been in for how many years now have you been into this? You call it Mod X?

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, that's that's really cool because uh this is so there's a lot of young kids to ask me about tech and how if if they're if programming. And what's cool with Mod X is it's an open source system. I don't it's it's it's a web soft web software for web design uh it's which is open source, but what's cool is it's just one of many, many things that you can learn yourself and contribute to forums, to the code, and doing that I could I created a reputation so much so the guy who wrote the official ModX book, he mentioned me in the in the in the book, and I I had so many job offers all the way from all over the world. Okay. So so when I moved here to the West Coast, I actually tried to get a hold of fellow developers, and I we I just wanted to meet at a coffee shop, but one thing led to another, and all of a sudden I was uh keynote speaker in US Bancorp Tower in in Portland with the red carpet and everything. Yep, yep. And this event spread to globally, yeah, sure. And because it's a global global thing, and uh luckily it wasn't so many people there. I forced Lorinda, my wife, to come come with me. She hates tech. Okay. She had to, it was the most boring night for her. Okay. But I had passion for it. Yes. And I believe that the story in itself, I don't recommend people maybe to learn mod X, but there's so many things that you can dive into. And and if you show passion and you really dig into it, whatever it is, you you can and you've and you're willing to to put some time in it, do some side work. That's the best way. There's so many opportunities in America. Right now, uh all the time, even when the economy is bad, there's opportunities. Okay. Yep. And that's the main reason why I love America. You in Sweden, uh, you it's Sweden is awesome. There's there's I love Sweden. We lived so back to I got married. We lived five years in Sweden, me and my wife, before we moved her. When we moved here, it was it was not moving away from Sweden, it was moving to America. I I'm not bitter about or I haven't left Sweden in in any, you know. I just I love Red Robin. Yep. I love the opportunities here. And uh yeah, it's just it's it's that's it's great. Yeah, and uh and you have a child now. Yeah, how how old is your son? He is almost um 18 months, uh-huh. And what's pretty cool with that is we've been married for 15 years. Yep. And we we we thought it was impossible. Yep. The doctor said it was impossible, and here he is.

SPEAKER_00

Yep, yep. And uh, and I really like um watching some of the stuff you do, but you're really involved with your kid and your wife. You you guys do a lot of stuff, yeah. You're at the beach, you're at the you're hiking, you're you really enjoy the area here in the northwest. Yep. Yep.

SPEAKER_01

So back to that then, that working out part. So I started working out with gym equipment and doing CrossFit, and then a friend of mine asked if I wanted to run around Mount Helens. Okay, and that's 33 miles and a lot of elevation. And I thought he was crazy because but I and I was crazy because I said yes. Before I had run two miles the longest, and but that changed my life to the better in every way, and it also it it this is kind of kind of what I think so both me and my wife were kind of unhealthy. Okay, we were smoking some cigarettes, eating unhealthy. When I started training for this mountain run, I we did a lot of hiking. Yep. We started exploring the Pacific Northwest, all all these trails, yeah, and we were outdoor, and that and she became pregnant. Okay, okay so I I i it's a connect, it's a red line here. Yes, it is. And so I I believe we're meant to be outdoor.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That being said, I mean, uh, I do I do think you can be a programmer, I do think you can be an office worker, and but you have to be smart about it. Yep. And I do feel that even when I worked, even when I was so active, like you said, when when back in the days when we used to work for the same companies, I I love to walk. I believe that that blood flow you get, you get just if you go out for for a 30-minute walk, that you don't have to be a crazy, you don't have to do any anything nuts. Yep. Just be active.

SPEAKER_00

Yep.

SPEAKER_01

And I remember working with you, and you were inspiring me because you always said, drink water. Yep.

SPEAKER_00

Remember? Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. I still, I always have my water bottle with me. Awesome. I think there was uh what are they called? A hydro flask, whatever. I probably drink four or five of those a day. Yeah. But then you gotta go use the bathroom a lot. But no, I like to drink water. I I too like to be outside. Yeah, I I just I like the sunshine, yeah, I like the fresh air. Uh this time of year, um, even especially in your neighborhood, these tree trees are blooming, there's birds chirping. Yeah, so it's uh yeah, I think it's healthy to uh to get outside. And I I want to ask you this because uh I'm I'm not a tech guy, but uh I know you've had some experience. These uh we have a lot of construction in this area, but these construction companies spend a lot of money to buy these software packages, no free ads, we won't say who they are, but they buy these software packages, but then in order to get data out of them, they have to have people like you, programmers.

SPEAKER_01

That makes no sense. And it's and it's even worse than that. The the tools, the some of the tools, yeah, they're built really advanced by on the by design. Okay. So that you're you there it's yeah, it's it's gatekeeping and it's it's okay. It there's a lot of my the even the big companies, I don't have to mention the big companies, yep, but they want you to pay for certifications and they want you to to expand. Okay. It's it's a business. It it is a business, okay. So uh but I do think today with the tools we have, AI and whatnot, I think you can get you still need somebody like me. Yes. I don't I'm not threatened by AI at all. Yeah. But what the AI tools right now, they can help me. I can I can speed up my work, but it's still, I created a really advanced Excel uh file the other day, and I used AI, but then I had to re then in real life there were changes asked, and it was just it was so much work to remake the thing or re-ask, yeah. So I just started off scratch and did it myself. Okay. So it's but you can still you for some it it's it's a it's a before AI, we use Google. Oh sure, sure. And Stack Overflow. You could share peak code with people. Yep. So we live in these times where there's everything is accessible right now, but yeah, I I'd say that you still need somebody, and and speaking about, I have many roles today. Software management, system information, uh system uh admin, I mean, uh programmer, IT support. It's just you have all there's some companies that they hire people that just dealing with software, right? Software manager. Correct. They don't do any support or anything else, it's just just negotiating uh contract with all of these sub software companies.

SPEAKER_00

Right, right, right. And uh and I like on Andreas's unique because there's some uh you might say programmers that might not speak my language because I'm an idiot, but Andreas understands me.

SPEAKER_01

John came over here and he has the most advanced setup I ever seen. I don't understand a thing. He's like a sound technician, he's he's giving me knowledge like you have to have the microphone closer to your mouth. This is the most high-tech thing I ever seen.

SPEAKER_00

And you want to say that? No, so I really appreciate that. I appreciate and there's a there's another fellow that I used to work with too, and he's he's since left. But uh, he's uh I can uh communicate with him. Yeah, and it it's it's having that skill that you can communicate with people, but then also turn around and do the tech end. That's a that's a valuable asset.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I think every job you have, whatever it is, you have to realize that you're pleasing another person, whatever it is, a construction of the electric if you're talking to an electrician, whatever whoever you talk to, it has to be it's a person-to-person relationship.

SPEAKER_00

It is, it is so and I think we had talked a little bit um offline before we started recording, but some of these companies don't fully understand what all is involved with tech. All they know is they just want it to work. Yeah, they just want it to work, give me the results, however it makes it happen. But sometimes they might be impatient with needing uh hardware or or resources or maybe even more people to help because they don't totally understand what's all involved with it. Yeah, just just having a large company, just keeping all the machines connected and running is it can be a job for somebody. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Well, and there's some things that I can do, and there's some things I cannot do. Like there's some people think that they come to me, hey, can you re reprogram this GPS? Uh no, I can't. Uh right. And there's there's sometimes where I change a typo somewhere and people give me flowers. Okay, okay. And it's just yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I like that. Okay. And I want to ask you this because I know um you've uh are aware of this, but uh there's a coffee shop opening here in Richfeld called uh Fika. Super excited. Okay, and that's a Swedish word. Yeah. Okay, and Fika.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, and to you, what does that word mean? It means uh so this is a cultural thing. So I mean it means moment, whatever. I think I listened to your podcast and somebody said it means moment. Uh but what it means is so in if you if you're if you w every uh office in Sweden have FICA breaks. It's a break. Okay. So you work and then you take a break. And when you take a break, you visit all of all the people come together in in a fika room. Okay. And it just work stops and you talk about you often you have 10 minutes, then you go back to your work. Okay. And this is pre pre-lunch and after lunch. You take basically two two FICA breaks. Okay. And it's it's one of those things. Here, uh people go sleep in their cars. And you get the same thing, you get quality. Sure, sure. I'm American now, and I I don't I'm not defending any of these things. I'm I'm even willing to use shorts in the sauna. Right. So it just I'm not I'm not holding back from trying trying to conserve.

SPEAKER_00

Sure. No, that that's great. I'm happy you're willing to adapt and wear sort shorts in the sauna. That's great. Yeah. Okay, now I want to talk about this. So you've got something, and what I really like visiting with Andres about is you're passionate. Okay, so you're passionate about tech, but now you've got something that I want you to talk about, and it is called the unbroken performance training. Yes. So tell what is this?

SPEAKER_01

So I'm super excited. So uh there's basically it's in Washington, it's it's me and Tom. And in Wyoming, there's a few guys that are they're now doing my programming. And so I did I I am really grateful to something called CrossFit that have I had work injuries, uh, back injuries, and CrossFit made me uh it gave me a lot of rehabilit rehabilitation and made me fit for being a programmer. However, uh CrossFit became is partly a sport and it's partly a a business that's trying to stay alive. So uh I did CrossFit for many years and then I realized that it's it's gone away from the the the key values or what even what the founder wanted and that is to be fit for outside of the gym, fit for life. So when I started doing CrossFit, I got I got I hooked up with really cool people, firefighters, military, SWAT, I mean all kinds of cool real life heroes. And now it's there's there's still some of them doing it, but they're doing their own thing right now. They they're all none of them come to the classes. The classes are great. It's kind of like pickleball. CrossFit has become pickleball. Okay, it's really good, it's better than sitting home. I I love I love pickleball, I love all these activities. I'm not trying to to trash or or downplay it, but I'm what I'm trying to say is if you if you do uh trail running, if you do uh if if if you have sports, even construction workers. I talked to some construction workers who kind of do my programming. What I try to do is I try I try to create a program that goes so it's still CrossFit, it's still challenging, but it's it's made for people that uh so I I'm a runner, I run about 30 miles a week, and I still have love CrossFit and my programming uh I do and it it's uh it's very um it's it's reforming CrossFit. So CrossFit added a lot of skill works, bar muscle ups, ring muscle ups, walk on your hands, handstand push-ups, and a lot of movements that they're they're really cool to learn. And double unders, crossovers, double under crossovers. There's you you can spend you can spend months trying to learn these skills, but or you can just join me. Okay. I have my own programming now. Okay. So and how do people find this?

SPEAKER_00

Unbroken performance training.com. Okay, so and then when they sign up for this program, how do they receive their course or their training?

SPEAKER_01

So I uh I post a daily workout. Okay, but I also um I'm also with when I'm also willing to to uh to to do a little bit more in line more to have a call with people and tell them uh ideally I could it would be great if they could work out with me. Sure, sure. I utilize open gym. So there's a lot of guys that have shown up. Uh so I go to a to a regular gym. We use utilize the open gym. I don't have my garage gym set up like I used to uh yet. But But um I uh my t my the target for my people is people that have done some CrossFit and they're they're stuck in CrossFit. CrossFit is pretty expensive. So what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to tell people find a friend and you can still grind doing CrossFit workouts. You just need an open gym and a friend. Doesn't matter what state, where you are. I mean you don't need you can do it yourself too. But and uh what I stick to is is basic movements. So it's not so there's there there's some some things that with a with a barbell that you need to train on and you need to you need I so I created an aca academy where I post some videos but with I I and I do encourage people to go to go to CrossFit to learn lifts with barbells. And I but and I because I can only train person people in in real life or in that way. But when it comes to to uh taking workouts in your own hand, and if what one thing that I do differently than CrossFit is so CrossFit is uh random workouts that come back to you. I uh I do a lot of workouts that are there will be a different workout, different different week, so it it keeps it fun. Okay, but the workouts come back over and over. In CrossFit you have a few benchmark workouts, hair workouts that you'll see again, but most 99% is just random stuff that you have you're you won't do again. I take that randomness, but I put it back in a few months, so you can see results in in whatever you're doing. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

And I've I've never done CrossFit, but I've heard that uh well of course, like anything if you're not in shape, but when people first started, there was a lot of injuries. Oh yeah. And it seems like uh some of the form a lot of people in CrossFit, the the form looks like it looks scary to what I was taught how to work out or lift weights. Yep. I mean some of the movements look like they would kill my shoulders.

SPEAKER_01

So if you have if you have a good coach, you won't have any injuries. Uh-huh. So uh I but I've had I've received some injuries, and that's that's from over overuse. Okay. And it's it's you most crossfitters that I know eventually get some shoulder issues. Yep. Uh it's not what you see on YouTube though. That's that's just that's that's people that doing it on their own. Okay. But no, if you go to a coat, uh class, yep, they'll teach you the proper way of lifting and technique, and you won't get hurt. And to go to a class, you gotta go to the box. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00

They call it the box, exactly. The box affiliate. And you can do that. And and you know what? Um, I'm uh believe it or not, but I'm kind of an introvert. So the thought of going to a class working out with a bunch of people, it's not my thing. So I like to go to my gym in the morning by myself. I might go for a run by myself, but that's just that's just me. I don't want to go to a class.

SPEAKER_01

And and this is this is exactly what led me to do do this thing because I started running. Yeah, and when you run, you become very independent. Yep. You have to take care of, you have to do your own. You you start taking ownership of fitness. Yeah, and that's basically what I'm doing. I'm taking ownership of not only my running, but also my my gym. Yep. And I'm seeking seeking the the the guys that I work out with right now, they're all they're all like Tom, he will go to the gym even if I'm not there. Okay. And I I'll I'll go to the gym if he even if he's not there. Yep, yep. But what's cool is so today we're doing a shipper workout. Yep. Tom won't, he's at the beach. Yep. I'll go there. Yep. I still have my time. Last time I did this workout was in in June last year. Okay. So like I said, I keep track of the its randomness, but it's not so random that it's just a new workout all the time. So I keep track. So today I'm gonna do a shipper workout, which is just a one one round of a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, okay, okay. And is that a full body workout or is that a specific um uh legs, arms, back?

SPEAKER_01

Is it what what? So yeah. So I I ink in in general, it's it's very same thing as with running, RPE, right? How you perceive um perceive the effort. Yeah. So I do the same thing. So when I when I program, I do some weeks a lot of upper body movement. Okay. The next the next week a lot of more legs and squats and whatnot. Yep. And I go by feel. Uh-huh. And I can really uh feel how I how my programming is because I'm a runner. Okay. And I walk. Yeah. So and I do and I I'm a a parent. Sure. And I do, I have so much energy. So I so really uh this is come comes a little bit backwards, but my my principle is 12,000 steps a day. Okay. And so I don't really care if I go to the gym or I get running, as long as I get 12,000 steps a day, I'm healthy, I have longevity, I have energy for my my son. Yeah, I have never felt since I started doing my own thing that it will that I can't pick up my my boy and and do stuff. So but when I did CrossFit, a lot of CrossFitter, this is a fact. They they start skip out days because there's so much max strength in there. And it's become a strength sport, really, really heavy, heavy on on power on lifting. Right. So what happens is they take one day off, they take two days off, they look at a 20-minute workout and think that's that's too long. So it's they've lost the grind. Right. The grind, what I what I my workout should be called the grind. I I create 20 to 30 minute workouts. Okay. And if you if you're a CrossFitter right now and you think that's that looks horrible, you need to wake up. That's not that's not crazy. Right.

SPEAKER_00

So hey, have you ever been to uh Toasty Tuesday? Yeah, okay. I love it. Okay, and now now is that what kind of a workout is that? Because I love Bert.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, Bert, he's uh he is he is on another level. He's a machine. Yes. So he he will take any workout I can come up with and make it ten times worse. Okay, and he will add sled push. So he's a machine. So you have to he is. And I I love that though. Yeah, and and it's the same thing. So I I've some of the guys that join me and what I'm doing, yeah, they haven't have skills. And I said, if I had a few guys right now, I work out with guys that are pretty just above ever. Okay, sure. That's kind of what that's my target. Above average. Okay, okay. Like I don't not not elite.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so but but also you're not looking for beginners. Exactly. You're not looking to train, teach somebody. No the basics.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but at the same time, Tom who joined me, yeah, I don't know how much he had just basic uh from school. And now he's doing snatches and cleans and all these things, and he's improving his score. So yeah, but yeah, that's not my target. I'm not if if you haven't worked out, and if if you're not I I'm re I'm my main goal is to get CrossFitters that have done CrossFit a couple years and they're tired of being stuck in a box and sweating with I when what's cool is the way I operate is I use open gym hours. That means we have the whole gym often for ourselves. Okay. We have and a lot of the workouts are outside. Uh-huh. We're running and exercise. Some I it's it's very creative what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_00

Sure. And uh you'd mentioned uh getting your gym set up in your garage. Once that's set up, would you ever have people here to do some of your workouts? So yeah, that that already happens.

SPEAKER_01

So uh so I have built a network of people because I'm a trail runner, I'm a runner, and I don't I don't I don't even know what I'm gonna call myself no more, but unbroken performance training is such it's such a it's a good thing because I built a network right now of uh runners, crossfitters, strength lifter, like all of these people. Yep, like instead of business, I don't care about mod X or business no more. It's just I do, but it's I have I'm so there there's people who call me right now who want to go for a run. Yep. Guy from Finland out here, he's running in Whipple Creek Park, and he he doesn't care about lifting. Sure. I mean he he used some strength. Sure. It's it's so cool to to have a network right now, and then at the same time be able to go work out with Bert. Yes, yeah, toasted toasted toostic is amazing for but what Bert is doing is he that's for everybody, sure. Even kids can come out there and lift the weight, get used to working out, yeah, pickleball, yeah, all those things.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, have you done the uh trail running? I know it's short distance, but uh at Louisville Park. Oh yeah, yeah. That's uh I used to do that uh back at go one way and then counterclockwise back, but that's just a little bit of elevation change down by the river.

SPEAKER_01

That was just a scenic so 20 when I started running and preparing for the mountain run, I ran around Mountain Hood too, which is 42 miles. Okay, and I did a spot on race. Okay, it's called a super race up in Seattle. Yep, super cool, like the most fun thing I ever did. Right. You run, they they they route you in the middle of the the river, okay. You have water up to your waist, right? It's and then it's elevation, and then it's it was super cool.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so I want to talk about that. You you ran around Mount Hood, yeah, and you said that was 42 miles, yeah. And how long does that take? Took took a long time, right?

SPEAKER_01

I hallucinated in the end. I uh I sat down and I I was gonna call my wife and say, I'm not gonna make it. Yeah, that was like 10 minutes from my truck. Okay. I was there. You sure I had so I a lot of these experiences I've so uh has been amazing, especially in Mount Hood, because what I did was I had a truck tent and I parked it, but you're not supposed to park it on the top parking. Right. So they wrecked it. The lodge actually wrecked my tent. Really? And they because they you're not allowed to camp up there. Okay, okay. Even it was as it was in my truck. Right. So but I I went to Mount Hood the day before. One cool thing is first I planted a bag on the other side of the mountain with with some water and ships and C4 energy drink. Yep. Then I went to the lodge and I slept in my in my truck tent. Okay, and I forgot my mattress. Right. So I slept on the hard and so I was and it was super cold. Yeah. Got down in the 30s. Yep. And I was just dead in the morning. And then I couldn't find a trail, which is starting in the morning. I wasted probably one, two hours just in the morning of that. Right. But you learn. That's that's what I love with all of those things. You you you learn and you become better for the next run.

SPEAKER_00

So the the trailhead for the Mount Hood run, that's at uh Timberland Lodge. You can. You can start from other places too.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, okay. So okay. But the safe thing with Mount Hood is you have a few exit points. Okay. You run you run there's there you the longest run on Mount Hood, I think, without another can another exit is 20 miles or something. Okay. When you do Helens, it's actually there's no exit points. Okay. If you if you you have to come back.

SPEAKER_00

You have to come back. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay, that that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01

It feels Mount Hood feel feels more civilized, even though I said it's extreme because you you're hot you're jumping over uh mountain lakes. Sure, sure. Or rivers.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. And uh that's at a fairly high elevation. So you're running at what eight, nine thousand feet elevation?

SPEAKER_01

It goes it almost goes up to one spot. There's a high spot where you're just a couple hundred meters away from the top.

SPEAKER_00

Really?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, you get really high up.

SPEAKER_00

So that's what, close to 11,000 feet? Yeah, at the yeah, okay. How about Mount St. Helens? What kind of elevation was that?

SPEAKER_01

So it's lower. Um there's I'm not really sure the elevation, yeah. How how you get up in elevation, but I know that you you're gaining almost 10,000.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So and uh so I want to ask you, um, because you live in this this wonderful neighborhood park here, but to get 12,000 steps is I mean that that's that's impressive in itself. So so for people listening that might right now only get a thousand, how how do you do you start in the morning, say hey, I'm walking?

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so to get you have to get disciplined, you have to every every chance you have park park park further. Yep, park away. Yep, go. I mean, not when you have don't don't make other people hurt. Like I I won't, if I have my family with me, I won't park for it. I will park. But when you can, yeah, walk. Yep. And any chance I have, if I have a phone call, a webinar, conference call, walk. Yep. We have so many opportunities to walk. Yep. But also that's why I I pretty much get a run-in. Yep. Every uh every day too. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

So that that gets you close to your eight, nine thousand steps right there. Yep. Then you just your regular. But yeah, and also I suppose uh in Sweden is probably more walkability. Oh, yeah. You probably do way more walking just because how it's set up.

SPEAKER_01

So I was in Sweden two twice last year. Yeah. My uh my mom passed away, and she struggled, so I'm happy that she finally was able to to move home. Sure. Anyway, when be f the days before I stay with my first cousin and I would go run ten miles every day in the morning. And it just it uh but growing up in Sweden, when I was when I had was one of my first jobs, I had to I had to before I had a driver license, I bicycled to work. Uh-huh. And there was one job where I actually bicycled over 10 kilometers every morning in blizzard. Yeah. Oh yeah, any weather.

SPEAKER_00

I wouldn't wow. So yeah. Yep. No, that's great. And uh so around here, are you running, do you try to stick to the asphalt versus the concrete? Everything. Okay, so everything. This is I found that asphalt's a little more forgiving than concrete.

SPEAKER_01

So this is if you have if it's it's the same thing with gear, it's everything about gear. Okay, you can have if you have good shoes, you can run on asphalt. If you have really good trail runners, you can run run in the woods.

SPEAKER_00

Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_01

I what kind of shoes do you like for the road? So I like Hoka. Yep, I like um uh Brooks. Yep, yep. And but then for trail, I've there's a Northwest company called GS Speeland. Okay. You should have them on the podcast. Okay. Hey, shout out GS. They're amazing. There's the same shoes that Cameron Haynes is using. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

We'll have to try to get them on. Kate are are those uh laces or do they have the BOA? The BOA system. The Boa system. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Super amazing.

SPEAKER_01

Super amazing. But the gear is everything. Okay. In Sweden, there's a saying there's no bad weather, only bad clothes. Okay, sure. And I kind of see the same thing with I think if I mean everybody it everybody have different goals. If you're if you're your what this unbroken performance training, what I'm doing is is it's it's volume, it's grind, it's it's to keep you fit for life. And then but you can always specialize. If you're you have to figure out what you want. If you if you want to specialize in something, then you there's a guy I follow that only do track runs. He loves to track. That's all he does. Okay. So, but for me, it would be I my my my aspiration is to be a better trail runner. Uh-huh. But I do believe that I do a lot of asphalt running to get up, build up that engine, build up that system. Sure, sure. And it's easy, it's accessible accessible. Sure, sure. So uh, so I think you I'm not sticking to anything. Sure.

SPEAKER_00

All right, have you um are you allowed to run down into the Ridgefield Wildlife Refuge? Oh yeah. Have you been down there? Oh yeah. Can you run the the loop down there?

SPEAKER_01

You can. Okay. You can you can run a lot and there's there's there's like three parts of it. Okay. So there's there's the way people where you drive, yeah, there's the waterfront area, and then there's further off the new the new area. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But what I love with Ridgefield here is you have so much trails in these area in these areas you have for walking and running.

SPEAKER_00

No, that's great. Okay, so what else do you want to tell us about uh unbroken performance? No, I um this is your time, so you shout out your passion about it.

SPEAKER_01

I just want to give a shout out to John, Trevor Buck here for being so awesome. All the way from when I lived in Sweden, he would show me how the the life and offer opportunities out here. He would host me when I came out here on vacation trips. So Trevor Buck is the man.

SPEAKER_00

Well, thank you. I really, really appreciate you doing this. Yeah, yeah, no, we we appreciate you doing this. This has been great. So, but yeah, no, I um thank you for bringing me up. Absolutely. No, I really, really appreciate this. And uh follow, like, subscribe. You can uh find this podcast on Apple and Spotify and give it a five star review because Andreas is the best. And this episode was edited and produced by Daisy Media. Good night.