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Be the Change: Lessons in Leadership, Legacy & Living with Purpose
In this powerful and reflective episode of Embrace the Great Podcast, hosts Shawn and Dominique dive deep into life, legacy, and leadership—from personal health to social impact. Dominique recaps the inspiring Be the Change Walk, celebrating its fifth year and highlighting the powerful message delivered by Corey Mitchell on perseverance and purpose in the face of adversity.
The duo also touches on recent national tragedies, including the assassination of Charlie Kirk, prompting an honest discussion about free speech, grace, and how society handles opposing viewpoints. Shawn and Dominique examine how cultural upbringing shapes perceptions—especially when it comes to finances, wealth-building, and navigating professional environments as Black men.
Later, things lighten up with a nostalgic segment debating whether beloved movies, shows, and cultural icons are underrated, overrated, or just right—everything from Scarface to Martin, Black Panther to Breaking Bad, and more.
Whether you're here for the real talk or the throwback debates, this episode delivers insight, inspiration, and a few laughs along the way.
Welcome to another installment of Embrace the Great Podcast with your host Sean Ellaby and co-host Dominique Muldrow. What's up, what's up? Ain't nothing much, man. What's on your mind today, man?
SPEAKER_01:Nothing, no lot, man. Just trying to beat this weather. Allergies a little. Messing with me a little bit, but I'll be all right.
SPEAKER_02:What's happening? Ain't nothing much. Similar. You know, I had a little downtime. I took a day off work yesterday, something I very rarely do, but I just was feeling under the weather, man, and just one of those days, you know, it was better to get the rest, and I probably slept half the day, which is the first time that happened in a long time. But it was much needed, man, after a very, very long weekend. But the highlight of the weekend, man, I want to touch on the Be the Change Walk, man. We had our fifth annual Be the Change Walk. Yes, sir. And I was actually excited more so for this one that we had had more kids than we've ever had before so we had a lot more of youth this time and it was a little different because in previous years we have more adults than youth but this year we had way more youth than adults and it turned out to be a very very good program um cory mitchell with the cory mitchell multiple sclerosis foundation did an excellent job um gave a a memento of be the change and wanting to see things going on um but um overall weekend i mean just great man after the be the change walk i had to drive all the way down to aiken for a conference with my fraternity and then stayed there, left there, stopped in Columbia, man, and got to eat lunch with my college kids, man, and I always say it like that, so it was a good time.
SPEAKER_01:Sounds like a, I don't want to say hectic, but...
SPEAKER_02:A typical. Yeah. I hate saying like that, typical weekend, man, just running, trying to get as much stuff done now while I can, man, while I'm able and moving, so I always, my co-worker asked me, man, you stay moving, you probably needed that rest yesterday, I'm like, I most definitely did. Um, but you know, it's one of those things I'm gonna keep moving as long as I can while I can.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So what, uh, you, you touched on your, uh, the walk as far as, um, the things that Corey, shout out to Corey, man. Oh, for sure. So some of the things he talked about, I saw, uh, cause he posted it. Um, I guess what his topic was and each letter spelled out. Yeah. So what was something that you think kind of the youth got out of his speech?
SPEAKER_02:Um, To smile through tough situations. He kind of highlighted on that, like, finding out how he got the disease and how he's working through it and how his mindset is, even though, you know, physically he's limited, but mentally he still can keep going. So it's just a testament of perseverance to me and kind of keep going and keep smiling because you never know what life is going to happen, but, you know, it's like 10% what happens, 90% how you respond to it. And I think that was the biggest thing for him to express that to the kid and, you know, encourage them to be the change. Like, walk your own path. Everybody has their own path, but, you know, we align on certain things and certain things you got to walk on your own. But it was good, positive message. Like, you know, a real story of perseverance.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, of course, that's family, core family. So I remember when all that stuff went down, man. When I finally got up the courage to talk to him myself as far as how he's doing, man, it was like he remained the same, basically. Kind of uplifted and upbeat and kind of something that we've been taught as a family, just how to don't soak over what you got going on for too long. Just take the opportunity to teach. teach or educate on whatever you got going on. I'm pretty sure that was inspiring, man. I wanted to send my boys out, man, for the walk, but six of them had a volleyball tournament and the other four were working. Hey, understand life's
SPEAKER_02:choices. You got to work and
SPEAKER_01:make your way. I had to go out myself, man, but I always know that that walk in particular is going to be a success, man. I remember when you first started with just the, uh, well, we just took pictures. Photo shoot. Yeah, I just started with the photo shoot. So I'm, uh, I've been a few places around the city over the past month and seen the fly up. Yeah. So, um, I'm pretty sure that's going to be continued, continued success. Yeah, man. Success. Dang, that's hard. Continued success.
SPEAKER_02:And, and it's kind of the, what, with the events of happening last week, everybody know Charlie Kirk got assassinated. Um, but it's one of those you know, you hear the rhetoric, the talk of different things. So being the change walk, be the change walk is one of the things I want to embrace what we have in common instead of what we have different. He liked, well, I'm talking about Charlie Kirk, like to, as he says it, embrace people to come and speak their mind. He loves to debate. Some of the things he said, again, I would never agree with. I just think it's just totally wrong. But everybody has their opinion and free speech is free speech. And I think Charlamagne remain to God, put it best, like you can say what you want to say, but you're not free of the consequences of the words you say, you state. So, you know, it's kind of one of those things to be mindful. I always get, you know, people want me to put me in leadership positions, and one of the things I've always feared is being killed for my opinion on something because somebody else didn't like it. And I look at the Malcolm X, the Medgar Evers, the Martin Luther King, and again, how we look at those situations, this current America is going to look at Charlie Kerr Yeah, yeah, yeah
SPEAKER_01:Up until that happened last week, I had no idea who Charlie Kirk was.
SPEAKER_02:I heard of him because I follow a lot of stuff. And then, too, at my job, I had a lot of people that follow him. So I heard of him. And then I saw some of the stuff that said, like, you know, he's just something I wouldn't get down with. But, hey, to each his own.
SPEAKER_01:But I had no idea who he was, what he stood for, whatever the case may be. But once I started seeing the headlines and then seeing different comments here or there, I I don't believe. Rather, whatever he was saying was totally wrong or whatever. I never believed in nobody being killed over their views. Correct. Regardless if it's a detriment to my household or people that I love. That's what they believe, man. Who am I to judge? I know how to handle them myself. Correct. But nobody deserves... There's one particular group of people I think deserve to die, and that's people that do stuff to kids. Yeah, well, easily. But other than that, man, nobody deserves to die because of their beliefs, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean, we, and this made me think about, we are a product of our environment. Yeah, exactly. And so his life experiences taught him to be that way. So, you know, my life experiences were totally different, so I won't look at it the same way. And I think we have, as a society, have to do a better job of extending grace to people we don't necessarily agree with or understand and my biggest question is always why why do you think that way what causes you to feel this way like if you can explain the why even if I don't agree with it I can I can accept it
SPEAKER_01:people people and this is the thing you can talk about whatever religion politics sports People just want to be so definite on what they believe in to where they frown upon the next man's opinion if it's not, if it don't align with theirs. And that don't mean that person is wrong. Like if my favorite color blue, who are you to say? No, it ain't.
SPEAKER_00:No, it ain't.
SPEAKER_01:It should be red. Red is the best. So what? Now you want to kill me because my favorite color blue and yours red? Or now you don't like me no more? So that's something that I've always, that's always been. always got me away from the water cooler talk, comparisons and all that, whatever it comes with.
SPEAKER_02:You know my favorite line, comparison is a thief of joy. So I don't compare because I just enjoy what's in front of me. And believe it or not, I got that, when I say some of it, it reinforced with the Last Dance documentary. When they asked Michael Jordan, he said he's always in the moment. And when I think about it from that standpoint, I look at history so I can predict the future trends because again I always believe history just repeats itself and now we just more exposed now because of social media because of the way media works everybody want the fast click and I always say popcorn this is a popcorn society everything got to be fast 24 hour news cycle so something new gonna come you know and I look at Charlie Kirk got killed but at the same time they had a school shooting nobody talked
SPEAKER_01:about nobody talked about that yeah
SPEAKER_02:and to me that's I ain't gonna say way more important because all life is important but those are kids just going to school that They didn't do anything to anybody to cause what they did. Now, Charlie Kirk, again, they can ruffle some feathers from some of the things he says, but again, it's just words. And some people want to make opinions facts and not facts. It's just opinions.
SPEAKER_01:They taught us that in second grade. Fact or opinion.
SPEAKER_02:But everybody know how to separate that line because everybody feel like their opinion is fact.
SPEAKER_01:They want to be definite in what they believe in. Yeah. Whatever. Yep, to each his own. Yeah, man. But, I mean, that kind of segues into a lot of the, well, the one thing that I want to talk about, man. I kind of like to, you know, look at different perspectives of things, man, and with everything that's going on in the world, you know, like you mentioned with the Charlie Kirk and all that, man, I like to sit back and embrace the Greek, basically. I like to sit back and think about, I'm big on nostalgic moments. and things like that man so just the other week man I was sitting there you know thinking about all this stuff we came up on rather than music entertainment that type of stuff right and somebody mentioned I know this debate always comes up in sports but somebody mentioned uh Oh my God, I don't forgot. Somebody mentioned it was a movie. Oh, what was the movie? But anyway, I can't think of it. It'll come back to me. Very popular movie. And they said, why was this movie so great? What made this movie so great in the grand scheme of things? So I started looking at different things like, man, you know what, you're right. If you think about it, that movie wasn't all that good. It was just a moment in time. So that had me thinking about different things, man, when it comes to music and movies and athletes. And just to sit and think about what things are actually could have probably been overhyped or what things didn't get the credit it deserved. Well, some things that might just get, they just do.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, one movie that I don't think gets the credit it deserves is The Hate U Give. I don't know if you ever watched that one. No, I'm not a big movie person. Oh, man. But I wasn't, I'm not a big movie, I caught that one because it was a family type movie and what I took from it, I took a lot from it. One, you know, in the premise of The Little Girl Star, and this was around the time of police killings and things of that nature, but she was going to a private school across town, but she was the only black person going to that school, so she had a lot of white friends, a lot of really good, in her mind, she lived the best of both worlds, but she lived in the hood, and one of her best friends got killed by the police officer while she was with him. And the police officer lied, said he pulled a gun, but he only had a cell phone, didn't have a gun, so it was like a police killing. And it showed some of the aftermath of it, but it's the family aspect, the father having to console his daughter, and then now, too, she had to go to her other school and listen to how they talked about the police killing the young man, and it was totally different from what she knew, but she never, and she kind of kept her identity a secret to them, not knowing that she was in the situation and just hearing them talk about it. But it hit a lot of different parts, man. And one of the things I took was the father because he had to sit here and watch and still, you know, talk to his kids in a way that, you know, these things happen. But he was dealing with a lot of stuff, too. One, he had a wife and his family with his wife. He had an older son that was not from his wife. And he was incorporating that blended family. And there was a lot of stuff to it, man. But that movie was touching. That's probably the last movie I cried on. I see. uh,
SPEAKER_01:Charles, raw dog Charles. No, no, no. I see Regina Hall in that movie. I'm going to watch it. I love Regina Hall, bro. I don't know why. Oh, yeah, she
SPEAKER_02:the mama. Oh, yeah, she tough now. I love Regina Hall. It's different. When I say the movie, it's real powerful. It's real one of those. It's going to tug at your feelings a little bit because, I mean, I saw myself in several different characters. You know what I'm saying? One, I say star because my work situation now, like where I'm the only one.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And, you know, I lived in the hood, grew up in the hood, know everything about my black culture. at a job, I'm the only one. So I have to deal with all the stuff that comes with hearing it. And when you're the only one, it's like, do you defend it? Do you say anything? Do you be quiet? And there's certain stuff going on with that. And then the father aspect, man, and he talked about how and why he named his kids. And it was just a touch. It's one scene that's going to get you. It's one scene that's going to get you. And I don't want to talk about the movie, but I'll let you watch it. But I just gave you the premise. I didn't give you no details. I
SPEAKER_01:got a question. Something you brought up before I jump into it. because I got a few movies and things that I'm going to ask you what you feel like. You mentioned about you being on the African-American end where you work. And you've been working there for, what, 10, 12 years? So what, if anything, have... have you seen different or something, something that you've been exposed to that made you look at maybe, I don't want to say the way you've been raised, but look at your culture, not different, but say, Hey,
SPEAKER_02:maybe that ain't the concept of money. The first thing I think about the concept of money and how, um, different accounts are created. Cause you know, and I'm just going culture, right. And this is my personal opinion. You know, anybody can challenge it, but, um, as African American culture, it, in banking, most we know is checking account, savings account.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:That's pretty much the basic. If you ask any high schooler, even a lot of adults, that's all they know. We don't know anything about CDs, money market accounts. And that's one of the things that I see a group come in. So when they get like Christmas presents and stuff like that, there was a hand put in the CD so it can gain interest. Another thing I see that, you know, I didn't think about when I was younger because culture don't teach us to go borrow money. But I see how to go, how to go to vacations, you Sometimes we think we ain't got no money on vacation. I seen somebody come to the bank and just go on vacation
SPEAKER_01:and pay for it during the year. I've learned, probably about the last five years, I've learned that it's not bad to borrow money from your bank
SPEAKER_02:at all. No, because it builds your credit. It builds your credit, yeah. It builds your credit, it gives you a relationship with the bank. So let's just say, and banks are different. It's come almost like... side, like when you look at the NBA, you got the big markets and you got the small markets, right? And so you got the big markets, you get looking at the Chase Bank, the Bank of America, the Citigroup. Then you got the regional banks. Credit unions and stuff like that. The credit union is totally different from a bank. You're not totally
SPEAKER_01:different in the same concept, but yeah. But when you talk about the bigger ones and the smaller ones, so you're saying like, yeah. Credit unions would
SPEAKER_02:probably be more like the D-League. Okay. Versus a bank. A smaller bank, again, I can look at the bank I work at be more of a Charlotte Hornets. I got you. Where Bank of America America be a Lakers.
SPEAKER_01:What's the one here? South State? Yeah, see, it's still regional. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Atlanta Hawks. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
SPEAKER_02:yeah. Just trying to give a comparison. So it's like, yeah, well, I didn't say Atlanta Hawks because
SPEAKER_01:they're bigger. It's became a big market. Atlanta wasn't always. When you're talking about sports. Correct, correct. So that's what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
SPEAKER_02:yeah. That's the one thing I take away is the way we look at money. And two, we are taught to save, save, save. Where I see other people are taught to invest Invest, invest, invest. So when I see 21, 22-year-olds talking about the stocks they put in and different things of that nature, again, I learned about stocks in college. It was never introduced beforehand, but it was like those are ways they create wealth. And I see that people get certain stock certificates. Instead of you can go borrow money from a bank and use your stock certificates as collateral. We don't think about stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01:When I was in fourth grade, When you were in elementary school, you'd write in your little journal every morning. I remember we'd talk about what we got for Christmas. And it was a girl in my class, white girl. And I remember everybody looked at her crazy. She said her favorite Christmas gift, she got a bond. I think if I mistake it, she got a$20 bond. Everybody was like, what? You can't even spend that.
SPEAKER_02:And we live for the now. They live for the future. And two, a lot of our issues are... non-issues for them and when I say it like that it's stuff that ain't gonna come on the radar like certain stuff they can do that won't come on the radar for us the stuff we complain about don't even come on their radar because that's not like a part of their daily life so it's just looking at like the news and you know it's always how media present stuff so it looks all negative but then when you get down and get to know people you realize it's not as bad as people think and on the flip side too it can be because of corruption as well like I see more fraud than anything else you know and I laugh, but, you know, one of the things, and this is directly from Homeland Security, banks catch more criminals than anybody else. You know, it's just different ways, and it's not on purpose. It's just our reporting requirement. That's why they always say follow the
SPEAKER_01:money.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah,
SPEAKER_01:and you can't go wrong. You cannot go wrong. Yeah, that was something I was always curious about. People that are put in situations that are so far from their culture, what do you realize is– bad about, I don't want to say bad about your culture, but a misconception that you might
SPEAKER_02:have. We don't do that with money. Even in working in the field, I go to national conferences and I can count on my hand how many African Americans I see. The wealth gap, if you don't learn anything about money, that's where it starts, at banking. I'm privileged to know that, but at the same time still battling cultural norms. Still trying to figure out some stuff and how to make things work and two educating people on the things I find out so part of this podcast we're talking about banking stuff one day we might go into budgeting finance or different things people want to talk about buying houses cars it's the same concept just a larger amount of money and not just house cars but small businesses buildings other different things boats airplanes people finance airplanes we don't think about stuff like that and two I think just a limit on the thinking we are comfortable with entertainment. Our culture is more entertainment than actually wealth building. So we can always entertain. We can always have a good time. We can always do that. But the wealth building part, and two, having friends that do different things. Like what I see, they have their friend groups. One is a lawyer. One is a banker. One is a contractor. One is, you know, an electrician. And they work together. One is a restaurant owner. One owns a hotel. One is a distributor. So they're... Contractor friend might have
SPEAKER_01:a bank account
SPEAKER_02:with the banker. Who closes his loan with the attorney. Who closed everything with the attorney. So it all worked together. So now when they decide to go on vacation, they can take the time off because they do business with each other. I think that's a huge difference. And two, how we're taught. Oh, I got to get it how I live. Everybody want to be the man, the one. But nobody on that side, and I say that side. I don't want to say that side. But it's always about business groups. You hear about Magic Johnson. Imagine Johnson. He's rich. He's all outdoors, but every time you hear it, it's a business group he's buying with. It's always a group, but we don't think group economics. We think individual. How can I get on top? How can I outshine this person or that person?
SPEAKER_01:Don't want to work together, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Correct. We work together, man. It's a powerful thing. That's definitely
SPEAKER_01:another topic we have to get on to. Back to the things that I've been looking through, man. It just had me thinking about underrated versus overrated. I got a few movies few uh actors actresses music uh music people athletes that I want you to give me your opinion if they're overrated or underrated and we can talk about a few of them so First one I got, movies. Scarface. Underrated or overrated? Or you feel like it gets this
SPEAKER_02:job? I think it just do. I think Scarface is a cult classic because it introduces the drug game on a different level. But entertainment-wise, I actually watched that when I was younger and I caught it. But at the same time, it wasn't my type of movie. I've never been the gangster type.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, me either. I think it gets this just do within certain cultures. I don't think it's... I don't think... The black culture really embraces that movie. You might ask a Caucasian, a white male, Middle age about that movie He probably I don't think You would have to say Al Pacino Yeah For him to Oh that Scarface But I honestly think though That movie Was ahead of his time That movie came out in 1983 Yeah So I think that movie I think that movie Was ahead of his time As far as Another movie Black Panther
SPEAKER_02:Oh man, for the culture, that was on point. I think that was underrated in all honesty. And it's a bunch of stuff with it, man. Like watching the movie, and again, I always think about the cultural aspect and the fight scene when they got everybody and all the ancestors watching. It's a different vibe. I kind of like that one.
SPEAKER_01:And I get that, but just the movie. We talking about just the movie. Just the movie itself. It was live. See, I don't want to say backlash because I don't give a damn. It's my opinion I think it was a good movie I just think that the moment in time like you you know it was a lot of oppression going on you know the police violence that stuff around that time and there were never really it was never really a movie with black superheroes we
SPEAKER_02:had some media man
SPEAKER_01:yeah but that wasn't you know on the Marvel level so I think that movie was great for a culture if I'm just strictly talking about black culture that was a phenomenal movie but I'm just saying just the movie itself and I'm going to tell you why I think that way I like the movie don't get me wrong I liked it and my youngest son will kill me if he hear me saying this about black people I love Black Panther but I didn't even watch the second one I didn't even care to
SPEAKER_02:watch it you know what the sad part is too and I'm going to admit I didn't watch the second one either and only because Chadwick gone it It didn't feel the same with me without watching Tag, so that's why I didn't watch it yet. It came on TV a couple of times. It was on, but I watched a clip or two, but I never
SPEAKER_01:sat down and watched the movie. The movie itself was good. That movie did$1.3 billion. We talk about culture with the other two movies, so we're going to cross over cultures and say Titanic. Overrated.
SPEAKER_02:Extremely overrated. But it was, I mean, it was a good love story in a
SPEAKER_01:historical context. Did y'all see that long, dry-ass movie? Yeah, it was overrated. It was, yeah. I think it was a cool movie. I think that movie had a meaning for a certain culture.
SPEAKER_02:It was supposed to be historical, but they
SPEAKER_01:put a love story in it, but it was like, uh. And a lot of that stuff, I don't want to say, of course, but I don't want to say They fabricate a lot. But, you know, the lady that survived, that was all true and all that. But. That movie
SPEAKER_02:was three hours long. Yeah, man. She had room for Jack on that door, man. I don't care what movie. She
SPEAKER_01:had room for Jack. All right. If we're going to go TV shows, Martin, underrated, overrated?
SPEAKER_02:I think it's appropriately rated. I think for the culture, everybody loved Martin and it's good. I think it was entertainment.
SPEAKER_01:Now, and this is why I'm touching on this. You say everybody. I ain't going
SPEAKER_02:to
SPEAKER_01:say everybody. Do the people at your job talk about Martin? Not at all. And that's the point I'm getting at. No, but
SPEAKER_02:that's what I said. cultural and too it was like I say we start entertainment funny it was good but if I'm being honest I ain't never learned nothing from Martin nothing but to laugh and it was never a story it was never a lesson that I just had to take away it was funny it was it was a good comic and see I look at Will Smith or the Fresh Prince again they had a lot of meaning you know what I'm saying different little things you can look at different little things you know pull you different ways emotionally
SPEAKER_01:I think there were lessons in Martin. I'm a Martin connoisseur. And what's the lesson you figured from Martin? So you got to put yourself back at, because you got to think Martin was mid-20s. Mid-20s. So you got to think about what those episodes were about him and his girlfriend, which eventually became his wife. And
SPEAKER_02:their
SPEAKER_01:friend group. Yeah, and their friend group. So you think about one episode where I remember they went to a couple's retreat. and you know martin didn't like this about gene the gene didn't like this about martin and eventually they came to realize i shouldn't try to change him her you know i should i don't want to say accept it but i shouldn't be trying to change him because this is who i fell in love with yeah pick and choose your battles yeah so so that was a that was kind of a uh a lesson there um It was a
SPEAKER_02:few, man. A few episodes. Quite a few episodes. Mark, just let me know you can have fun with your girl. That's how I like it. It was a fun girlfriend to have. All right. Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad was good. It took me a while to get into it. It took me about a season to get into it because at first I'm like, why are people excited about this? But when it started picking up, it picked up. So I think it's appropriately rated. I think that's the most underrated TV
SPEAKER_01:show ever. Underrated? Underrated. I love it. I mean, I will turn on Netflix and just play a random episode. Jesse was funny. Jesse turned out to be a sellout,
SPEAKER_02:man. Jesse was funny to me in the beginning. Yeah, yeah. All right. A different world. Underrated. Yes, sir. All day. Because, man, that one taught so much different stuff. And then you look back in college and the stuff they were dealing with.
SPEAKER_01:That was a show ahead of its
SPEAKER_02:time.
SPEAKER_01:Correct.
SPEAKER_02:Look, my daughter watched. Yeah. She watched the whole thing on when it came out on next. She can watch it. Yeah. She watched every episode. And that became one of her favorite shows. And it was like it made a whole lot of sense. It showed the love story. It showed the challenges. It showed all kind of stuff that you deal with at college. So going to college, again, I
SPEAKER_01:think it's underrated. And I think it's underrated. Law and Order Which
SPEAKER_02:one? The regular one is SVU is the one everybody watch. And I say like that, Law& Order got kind of dry. SVU, it's... The one with Ice-T? Yeah, that's SVU. Yeah. Special Victims Unit, you know.
SPEAKER_01:I watched both of them. I started
SPEAKER_02:watching Law& Order in college. Middle of the day, you got all classes over. I'm going to tell you, my show like that in college was Friends. Don't ask me how I started watching Friends, but then you know that was on TV when I was landing down in the bed. I start watching Friends, but you know. I go underrated
SPEAKER_01:with Law& Order because you don't hear.
SPEAKER_02:I'm going to tell you why I got off Law& Order. It made me mad. The endings. Some of the endings left you like, what? This whole show was good and to get to the end it just let you down so many times. So many times. You get all hyped and it's terrible at the end. That's what turned me off with Law& Order, but again, the first four to five minutes, I'm It builds up. It builds up. And then the end, you're like, for this?
SPEAKER_01:All right, here's one. And I think I know your answer. Family Matters.
SPEAKER_02:Overrated. It was trash.
SPEAKER_01:I think Family Matters was so trash. But we used to be so
SPEAKER_02:locked in. I think we had Laura, man. We had like Laura. I had like Laura and then I went on. I was never a big Laura fan. I had like Laura when I was younger. I just used to like
SPEAKER_01:the Urkel moments.
SPEAKER_02:It's so corny now. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's so terrible now. And you look back like crazy. All right. Tiffany Haddish. Do I think about her?
UNKNOWN:No.
SPEAKER_02:To some, she's going to... My personal opinion, she's just okay.
SPEAKER_01:I think she's overrated. Yeah. I
SPEAKER_02:don't... Yeah, I think she's just okay. I think it's... And I don't want to say it like this because I don't want to feel like I'm discounting Mike Epps, but I like Mike Epps more, the actor, than I did the comedian.
SPEAKER_01:That's true. You know what I'm saying? So in
SPEAKER_02:certain movies, he's funny, but the actor, I like him. That's how I feel with Tiffany Haddish. I like her better as the actress than the comedian. But she played the same role.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:that's the thing.
SPEAKER_01:Kevin Hart
SPEAKER_02:As
SPEAKER_01:a comedian Just as a
SPEAKER_02:comedian Just right. I don't think he overrated. Yeah, I think he get his just due. I think he overrated. A certain one had me laughing. Like the first couple, he had
SPEAKER_01:me laughing. I respect Kevin Hart's
SPEAKER_02:hustle. Yes. That's what I'm thinking about.
SPEAKER_01:The businessman. Yeah, the businessman, how he came up and all that. I love it. He put in his work. I just didn't think he was. He's a little just extra. I didn't think he was funny.
SPEAKER_02:He's silly funny. Yeah, he's silly funny. I'm one of them people that like intellectual jokes. Make me think and laugh. They're the ones I love. All right.
SPEAKER_01:So our last one as far as movies and actresses, Adam Sandler. I think he underrated.
SPEAKER_02:All day. I mean, I watched so many of the Adam Sandler movies. He was on USC campus this past weekend.
SPEAKER_01:He had a show. He had a show there.
SPEAKER_02:That night, yeah. But he was running around that day. Because I asked my kids, did y'all see him? Like, no, but we saw Theo Vaughn. I'm like, okay. Took a picture with him. And what's the young man that won the Olympics in track? 16 years old that ran in the Olympics and won the medal. But he was on USC campus. I think USC trying to recruit him. But my son showed me a picture with him too. So I'm like. Y'all having a good time already in this freshman year. A few with music. Andre 3K. Underrated. That's one of my favorites. His lyrical presence and the way his raps make you think. If you listen to him, I can see where he evolved as a man and as a person.
SPEAKER_01:I
SPEAKER_02:think he gets his
SPEAKER_01:due because of... His catalog is everybody wanted more from him, and he didn't give it. So I think that's why he just. But
SPEAKER_02:they wanted more for what reason? Because he was good.
SPEAKER_01:That's what I'm saying. That's why I say he gets his just due. Okay. Here's a good one, and I'll just say these next two, I feel like they don't get their props enough. LL Cool J.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, underrated. Just for the things he did with the culture. Music-wise, you know, he's one of the originals. He was one of the first music and
SPEAKER_01:entertainers. Entertainers and rappers, so to speak. I mean, I shouldn't say
SPEAKER_02:that. His stuff with acting, man, he
SPEAKER_01:took it to a whole other level. He did both real well. Rap and, I mean, some people know him from movies, some people know him from
SPEAKER_02:rapping. NCIS, I think he did well in that. You know, I think he survived the Shark movie. That one of the things I always remember. Deep Blue Sea. Deep Blue Sea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He survived. That don't happen. Q-Tip. Q-Tip. You said underrated, but I think he just do.
SPEAKER_01:Q-Tip got bars, man. Yeah. All right. Here's one that hits on the both of us. Juvie. Juvie Downs.
SPEAKER_02:I think he's underrated for the culture. How do I say this? If you just say it in the 90s, late 90s, early 2000s, Juvie should have been in the top three. But over time... His music lasted. Yeah, but his music still makes sense. But I don't feel like they put him on a level of a Jay-Z or a Nas when at the time he was, if not bigger. DMX, same thing. All of them on the same playing field, but I think he don't get his just due because he's from the South.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Everybody else was northern and didn't know how to get the distribution.
SPEAKER_01:Redman.
SPEAKER_02:You can say underrated because he does have some lyrics. He did a lot of stuff, but personally, he's not one of my favorites.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I'm the same
SPEAKER_02:way. I
SPEAKER_01:just, I was looking at something about him. I mean, I listened to his mainstream stuff, but it never was.
SPEAKER_02:Nah, I had a boy, Goat, you always listen to Redman, so that's when I get my little taste. Like I said, it wasn't terrible, but it just wasn't my cup of tea. Alright, Ashanti. Overrated. Overrated. I think she got that one or two good songs. I think she was just fine, bro. Music-wise, yeah. But she is a beautiful woman. Yeah. Rihanna. Underrated. And I sit here and listen to a bunch of her stuff early because I start listening to her early. Yeah, O for sure. O for sure. She don't get her
SPEAKER_01:props.
SPEAKER_02:Keep sweating.
SPEAKER_01:Overrated, all that damn whining. All right, we're going to go with athletes. And I try not to point out what everybody talks about. Underrated, overrated. Aaron Rodgers.
SPEAKER_02:Overrated. Won Super Bowl, a lot of hype, but he's really, really good.
SPEAKER_01:Just as a player, though. Stripped accolades. And I'm going to tell you why I said that.
SPEAKER_02:Stripped accolades, just a player. I've seen better.
SPEAKER_01:I've talked to two NFL players that played against him. They both said he is the best quarterback they ever faced. I heard one. I've had two different ones. Aaron Rodgers. And I'm like, God. You know, you can't, you can't. Yeah, I'll argue against him. Yeah, you can't argue against. And it was, okay, if I had just heard that from one, I'd be like, ah, okay, maybe he just had two good games against you. But I've heard two different professional athletes that played against him said, yo. He is the best quarterback skill-wise that I've ever been against. I'm going to steal– and I'm going to tell you why I'm putting him overrated because I like Aaron Rodgers. It's just later in his career. I think he gets– he gets– Too many passes. Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:he gets too many benefits and not the criticism that every other superstar would get, but he don't get that same criticism. Ben Wallace. Underrated. I love his story. And then defensive-wise, like, defensively, he's an apex.
SPEAKER_01:I
SPEAKER_02:go the other way,
SPEAKER_01:though. And we talking about just talent. If Ben Wallace deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, I think Charles Oakley should be in the Hall of Fame. Why? I just feel like Charles Oakley was a better– Charles Oakley had an offensive game. I mean, he wasn't known for it, but he
SPEAKER_02:could shoot it. He could shoot the mid-range, but the thing is he never anchored a defense, a championship defense at that. Ben Wallace didn't
SPEAKER_01:do that. See, that's a team thing. I try to separate team stuff from just individual
SPEAKER_02:talent. Oakley didn't have nowhere near as many blocks as Ben Wallace had. Honestly, I think Oakley might be bigger than Ben Wallace.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I might have to look
SPEAKER_02:that up.
SPEAKER_01:I just think he got too much credit for... I don't want to say the team he was on, but I just, I don't, I don't, I didn't see him as a first ballot Hall of Famer.
SPEAKER_02:Look, I can see if you say not first ballot, but I think he deserved to be in the Hall of Fame because when I hear Hall of Fame, it's one of those, can you tell the story of basketball without mentioning this player?
SPEAKER_01:And I think you can. I can't,
SPEAKER_02:not with that team, not with that Detroit team that didn't have any, not one. Right. But that, he the first Hall of Fame off that, off that team. And I wouldn't, I'd pick Seed over him personally because I think Seed way better. And see, that's another one. Offensively, it can give you defense too, but Ben Wallace is almost like this. It's like how we look at Jordan's offense. Ben Wallace was that on defense.
SPEAKER_01:He wasn't even the best on that team. Like, he wasn't even the second best on that team. Might not have been the third best. No, but
SPEAKER_02:defensively, he was head and shoulders above all of them. And that's what I'm saying. Like, his skill set was so high in one area that his defense was so high to
SPEAKER_01:me. I just believe that. And I feel like he was a good player. I believe he benefited from the team he was on. Like, people don't understand. Ben Wallace didn't always play for the Pistons. He played for, I think, two other teams before. Yeah. I think he played with two other teams before. So I look at what did he do other than that moment of time he was with the Pistons. That's the way I look at it. So I think he was overrated. Michael Phelps.
SPEAKER_02:I think he's just right. He just do it damn right. 100 Olympic gold. It's his profession. The only thing he got was smoking weed at USC. Let's do it. Larry Bird. underrated. And I say that and I look at the totality. Yeah, he was before his time. I mean, if he didn't play in this league, he'd have killed. But in two, the respect of everybody else that
SPEAKER_01:he played against. You never heard nobody say out of that era, out of that so-called toughest era that Larry Bird wasn't good. You never heard nobody say that. I think Dennis Rodman had the little quote if he'd have just been another white guy. Everybody Everybody nicks that. Like, bro, you tripping. Yeah, because he talk to you, tell you. Like, look, I like Larry Bird. Man, that's a highlight clip. I can't remember who they was playing. And Larry Bird was killing. And you saw the team, the players on the other bench, every time you shot it, they were falling out. Yeah, I'm fine for it, too. I
SPEAKER_02:think somebody on the team talked about that. But, yeah, you know, he cold, man. Like, he just played basketball and competed. Definitely underrated. Serena Williams. underrated. And I say, well, I don't want to say underrated. She probably got her just due. Because she the GOAT in tennis and women's tennis ain't no, came another person in her stratosphere.
SPEAKER_01:I think the fact, I think the fact, I think what gets overlooked about Serena Williams, she started off as not being the best in her household. No. And it surpassed everything. And she, yeah. The only person in her stratosphere is her sister. Yeah. And I think that's what gets overlooked. Everybody, you know, if you told that, her story to everybody, If you asked about Serena Williams to a 10-year-old, 8-year-old, they wouldn't know she had to come up.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, she had to be her big sister. All
SPEAKER_01:right, last one for as far as, well, underrated, overrated, Tiger Woods.
SPEAKER_02:As far as the golf, man, Tiger's just do. Yeah, he's just do.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like he does. I can see if somebody argues he was overrated because if you talk about the accolades with it, he never surpassed the best person ever to golf. But on the flip side, to me,
SPEAKER_02:he's the first black golfer that made us pay attention to golf.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but that doesn't have anything to do with just golfing. Yeah, it do. Just his golf game,
SPEAKER_02:I mean. No, no. What I'm saying is he was a superstar in the golf world. Yeah. Where it was however many players before him, when you come as a first.
SPEAKER_01:So if he wasn't black, he would just be a great golfer,
SPEAKER_02:right? Great golfer, yeah. That's what I'm saying. But he still would be, in my mind, the top.
SPEAKER_01:For sure. I just feel like, yeah, I wouldn't ever take nothing from Tiger Woods. Like you said, he made people pay attention to
SPEAKER_02:him. And two, it's like the competition. It's almost like a Larry Bird type
SPEAKER_01:thing. Exactly, exactly. But yeah, man, those are some of the thoughts I had, my underrated, overrated, man. It's some things, man, that I think just in life period, I think they're overhyped because they might have came out at a certain time. Like it was right on time that they came out being whatever was going on with the world. But if you sat back and look at the movie, listen to whatever song, you'd be like, all right. That's just like a song that might have came out. Speaking on police brutality in 2020. Been the greatest song ever at the time. But I don't want to say now because that stuff still goes on. But 10 years from now, you listen to the song, you're like, okay, they're talking about police brutality. Yeah. You know
SPEAKER_02:what I mean? I automatically start thinking about Public Enemy when you said that. Yeah, Fight the Power. That was the first thing that came to my mind. And the Baby song, what's the song again?
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:because it came out shortly after George Floyd too. But yeah, it's one of those type of cultural songs and you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and that's where I think people get misconstrued. They talk, you know, everything is somebody's favorite, especially when it's music because it does something to you, help you get through a rough time. Yeah. It reminded you of a great time, whatever
SPEAKER_02:the case may be. One of the songs that kind of get me every time I hear it is Sam Cooke, Change Gonna Come. And it came out in a movie and I'll I got a whole CD and Sam Cook in my car and I just listened to that song because it's like, how long ago he wrote that song and how is it still relevant today? Yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm telling you, he wrote this song way before I was born. Yep. But we need to keep that segment in, overrated, underrated.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I still got my pick six that I got. Yeah, we put both of them in, overrated, underrated. Just
SPEAKER_02:seeing if you had anything else before I got into that. I can't think of nothing off the top of the head man the overrated underrated got me thinking of a bunch of stuff that I feel like you know I can bring to future episodes
SPEAKER_01:I like to break down the totality of things man not just like you said Mike Jordan said he just in the moment yeah at the moment that was a great song that song was right on time that movie inspired this point in time where that athlete was the first to ever do whatever but if you break down the game strip Strip the name, strip the accolades, just look
SPEAKER_02:at what they're doing. I got a question, man. Have you seen the movie Talk to Me?
UNKNOWN:No.
SPEAKER_02:Don Cheadle is a biography of Ralph, P.D. Green, Ralph Waldo P.D. Green. Oh, I did watch that a while ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one of the most underrated movies. If you ever watch that, it's one of the funniest, deepest movies you ever watched. And I see him, think about that Sam Cooke song. That's what I was thinking about, what movie it came from. But that's the movie I'm thinking about. I got you. But yeah, if you want a good entertainment, like you said, date night movie, put in Talk To Me. And I promise you, y'all going to laugh the whole time. Yeah, he... Taraji P. Henson. Yeah. He wanted... What'd the dude call him, a miscreant? Miscreant. That might be the only movie I saw Mike Yates play a serious role.
SPEAKER_01:I'll call him that, miscreant. I'm a miscreant. All right, man. I'm trying to get my stuff right here for pick six. It's been a few weeks. But I think I got some good ones today, man. Just to kind of touch on. Let me get it all pulled up here. All right. So we'll go with. We can start with just the let's start with the either or pick six. All right. First one, Isaiah Thomas or Allen Iverson. Allen Iverson. Juvenile T.I. That's a tough
SPEAKER_02:one.
SPEAKER_01:Give me T.I. Give me T.I. If you look at catalog, yeah, you got to go with T.I. Give me T.I. Mariah Carey or Janet Jackson? Give me Janet. Bobby Brown or Chris Brown?
SPEAKER_02:Chris Brown. I'm saying it with my chest now. You asked me that 20 years ago. I'd have been Bobby Brown all day, but as of today, A.C. Breezy did his thing.
UNKNOWN:Uh...
SPEAKER_01:Sex before bed or morning sex?
SPEAKER_02:Now, this is a tricky one, right? You asked me my opinion. I want it before I go to bed so I can sleep. Well, then get to sleep. But what I get more than anything else, I might wake up in the morning. I'm going to rise like the sun. Yeah, I'm going to. I want to get something and doze off. Yeah, I ain't want to think about putting my performance and I can rest good. I want to smash something and doze off. Yeah, because I get in the morning. That's what my boy Juvie said. Yeah, I want to get up and get some more. You know what I'm saying? Either one. Day start off great or end of night great. So either one. I'd rather night time though. I want to roll over. I
SPEAKER_01:want to roll over, man. Gas or charcoal? Charcoal. Yes, sir. I don't With that first one, man, I'm going to ask, do you think, you said you picked Allen Iverson over Isaiah Thomas. Yes. Bro, that's one of the toughest, that's one of the toughest ones.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah,
SPEAKER_01:and I feel you. I'm going to roll with Isaiah Thomas. I feel you. I'm going to roll, and we talk, just talking about basketball, I know a lot of people like to think what Allen Iverson did for the culture and all that. Yeah, but Iverson scored
SPEAKER_02:more. Yeah. That's why I looked at it like, and then two, Iverson led a whole team to the finals where Isaiah had a team with him when he won. So one-on-one. I'm taking Allen. If they had to play one-on-one, I'm taking Allen Iverson. Bro, that's tough. His speed. Isaiah
SPEAKER_01:Thomas had that same speed. He had
SPEAKER_02:that speed, but it was. You got to go jump shot which one you take. Like Iverson in the mid-range.
SPEAKER_01:Over Isaiah Thomas? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:No, sir. No, sir. Give me Iverson. No, sir. He gets to the basket, and I don't think Isaiah can stay in front of him. Isaiah
SPEAKER_01:Thomas, you think his Allen Iverson mid-range better than Isaiah Thomas?
SPEAKER_02:Look, off the dribble, yeah. I saw him off the dribble, and I said,
SPEAKER_01:yeah, you might have it. Allen Iverson going to get
SPEAKER_02:to
SPEAKER_01:the
SPEAKER_02:rack now. But off the dribble, Allen's going to pull his
SPEAKER_01:jump off the dribble. That was Isaiah Thomas' game. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, and pull up. I hear you. But you ask me, I take Allen Iverson over Thomas. I go with Isaiah. I mean, that's a great debate. That's a great debate. I think a lot of those need to happen. I'm going to go with Zeke. I feel you. I'm
SPEAKER_02:going to
SPEAKER_01:go
SPEAKER_02:with Zeke. I don't hate Zeke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love Joe Dumars on that team. There's no knock on either one. Correct. You know, sometimes when people hear that comparison, they think you're knocking one. No, I just prefer this one. It's always a preference. All right. All right. You say T.I. and Juvie. I know you're going to go Juvie.
SPEAKER_01:No, I'll go with T.I. I won't be biased. Okay. I'll go with T.I. You got to look at catalog.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and I look at some of the songs, too. Again, one of my favorite songs ever is Sorry by T.I. and Andre 3000.
SPEAKER_01:You got to look at catalog that, you know, Juvie had. bad hits and he got something there to get the reception started. But you're talking about just music. Yeah. T.I. been going at it since, what, 2000. Well, both. Juvie before T.I. Yeah, T.I. got some hits, bro. Yeah. T.I. got some great albums, though. Like, from front to back. You ain't telling me that. T.I. got
SPEAKER_02:great albums. If you ask me how many T.I. I got a lot of T.I. albums in my phone now. Yeah, bro. And Urban Legend, one of my favorites. Like, it's funny why it's one of my favorites because this was the time I had my daughter. And you know how kids, you know, cry, cry, cry. I get in the car, put on Urban Legend, and the only thing I know, you don't know me. I see my daughter in the back waving her little hand. Like, that was the way I put her to sleep.
SPEAKER_01:T.I., I like the way T.I. has always, both artists, Juvenile and T.I. have always remained them. Even now, when they put out new music, you know it's
SPEAKER_02:them. Man, that's my favorite part about people. Yeah. I like genuine people. If they're an asshole, be an asshole all the time. You'll get my respect because you ain't changing to fit somebody else now. I don't change. I just be quiet around people.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I've always
SPEAKER_01:been
SPEAKER_02:like that. I don't change. I'm going to be Sean, but you got to be ready for Sean if you ask for him. But I learned everybody may not be ready for the full tilt because I know back in the day, I used to be a little fool. I ain't going to act like I was. People look at me, oh, you smart, you do this. I do good things. I do great things sometimes in the community, but trust and believe from the source, I used to be an asshole. It's the right way. Man, you always said this, Cole. It's the right way to do the wrong thing. You already know I can finish it with you.
SPEAKER_01:Always the right way to do the wrong thing. All right. So another second part of pick six, man. Those are some good ones, man. I'm going to give myself a pat on the back because I actually sat and thought about those. They make you think. Them the good ones. Yeah. All right. So six more kind of more about yourself, man. One subject you would like to learn more about. Investing.
SPEAKER_02:I talk about it, but I want to learn more and more about investing. I ain't there yet, but I want to learn more about investing. And two, trust and wills. I want to learn about investments, trust and wills. If I had to sit here and think about it to go back, man, I
SPEAKER_01:might want to look at being an attorney. I think I want to learn more about... more about where I come from like my Who were my people during slavery? I got you. You know what I'm saying? History. History of your family. Who might have been? Now, I ain't about to go on Western Little Joint, come on the commercial and answer. I ain't about to do that. I don't believe it. Part
SPEAKER_02:of me want to do that, man.
SPEAKER_01:I want to send my DNA off and I'm straight. But I want to, you know, and I say that, man, because just... the last few conversations that I had with my dad and even talking to my mom today, you know, my dad's household is just him left. Everybody else passed away. So, um, and he, and him and my granddad always told me my, my granddad never really knew his dad. So therefore you don't, you know, that's a whole side of the family. You don't
SPEAKER_02:know nothing
SPEAKER_01:about. So a lot of people ask me if I'm related to this person, that person with the same last name. And I, I said, no, I don't know. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I get that. And don't get me wrong. We were always big on family, but it was always sort of immediate with that side of the family. It was just always the immediate family. Understood. So now on the other side of the family, my mama
SPEAKER_02:family. You know everybody.
SPEAKER_01:Bruh.
SPEAKER_02:And see, it's twofold, right? So my mama's side of the family is huge. Like, and I say it like this, she had 20-something aunts and uncles. Like, my grandma was the middle of 10, and my granddaddy was a baby of 15 so what is that 25 kids so my mama's got 24 natural aunts and uncles 25 but between 15 and 10 you know I'm doing the math that 24 aunts and uncles you know what I'm saying like just natural aunts and uncles you know what I'm saying so it's like wow and so that side of the family is huge but my daddy daddy what I found out because on father's day I actually went to my granddaddy's house and we don't have the clothes that's my last grandparent living so you know I'm trying to make a point to kind of go up and you know get to know Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know one thing I saw a post and it says that people just don't have family reunions no more. And that's true. But
SPEAKER_02:twofold, right? And I'm feeling the pressure now personally because of my family. Like the 30 and 40 years old put the family reunions together and we
SPEAKER_01:that age group. We don't make time for it. Correct. That's 100% on us.
SPEAKER_02:And so it's like, okay, what can I do to try to get this going? And two, like my family is so huge, man. Like in my thing, I don't ever want to feel like leaving anybody out. But it's like, I got to do mine in branches. Okay, I got the Smith side. I got the Ellaby side. I got to do the Kane side. I got to do the Goodman side. And it's easier for us now to do. We just
SPEAKER_01:don't damn it do
SPEAKER_02:it. Yeah, but the Goodman side, we just did the family reunion earlier. We ain't
SPEAKER_01:got to send out letters in the mail.
SPEAKER_02:We get on Facebook. Make a group chat. Yeah, and it can start from there, but then it's like, okay, you got to reach out to your branch. I'll get to this branch. And then two, somebody want to take leadership of it, man. Again, you say one thing that would be I think about earlier with cultures. Our culture don't like to take leadership. We don't like to take the criticism to come with leadership. There you go. That's what it is.
SPEAKER_01:And you know what's crazy, man. That's what– and I'm getting off topic here, but I don't give a damn. So you know with coaching youth sports, I'd rather be– six-year-olds or high school levels. You always got people in the stands saying you should have did that, whatever, whatever, whatever. You should have been coaching. So probably, what's this, 2025? Probably 2022. Somebody said that in the stands. And you know what I turned around and said? Get your own freaking team. Get so many words. Yeah. And they heard nothing else from it. You get your ass out here and do it. Yeah. And that's a big thing. Everybody wants to say stuff, hindsight or what, you know what I'm saying? And that goes, and I ain't just talking basketball, but that goes to what you were saying. Nobody wants to take. Leadership. Nobody wants to take them arrows that when you go over that hill. Yeah. You know what I mean? Everybody want the. Yeah. Everybody want the cream. Everybody want the. at the end everybody
SPEAKER_02:want that part but
SPEAKER_01:yeah you want the love you want the love and everybody ain't strong enough to take it that's the way I look at it you ain't strong enough to take what come with this
SPEAKER_02:and see I take it all the time and it's funny and I don't know how it happens but at the same time I've learned to embrace it and you know this about everything I get into people try to make me a leader
SPEAKER_01:yeah and that's just a testament man to whatever you know whatever it is that you've done before I think it's just It's natural. And it's been like that for me, too, since before high school, elementary school, even when you go back to playing basketball in the backyard. You know, well, okay, pick teams. You probably one of the ones that always was a captain in the pick team. You know what I'm saying? See, we had two to shoot the free throw. Yeah, yeah, shoot, shoot. So I'm going to make mine. First two to make it pick team. You know what I'm saying? It go back to that. Then it go back to the classroom. Okay, you probably was one of the only ones I know I was to speak up when it comes to answering questions. If something ain't wrong, yeah. Yeah. You know, every homecoming, you know, we get them ones that ain't last. I put it that way. But I got, man, I miss my guy, man. My guy, Wayne Wright, Woody Wild. He always say, boy, I always appreciate you letting me cheat off your paper, man. He always say that to me, bro. I think it just starts there, man. And then as we get older, man, hey, shoot. You always used to raise your hand in school. You know what I mean? But I think that's just something that comes with it, man.
SPEAKER_02:Second one, though. Were you about to say something else? It made me think about something. Somebody cheating off the paper, man. It made me think about one of my homeboys from college. And I'm just shaping the story. I ain't going to tell his name. But if you hear this story, you're going to know exactly who he is, right? So we taking calculus, college calculus or whatever. And I'm actually doing pretty good in the class. I got like a B. This is my first time in the class. I might be a sophomore at this time, a freshman at this time. sophomore year of college. I can't remember, right? But then I go, I got a homeboy that was taking this class for the third time. And he was like, you know, at the school I was at, if you fail a class three times, you can't take it no more. And this is part of his degree, right? But he failed twice already. It was the third time the charm, I guess. Anyway, before the exam, we took the exam on calculus. He was like, hey, man, I'm just going to let you know I'm going to cheat off your paper because because it's the only class I need to graduate. I done failed this class twice and I see you doing well. So I'm saying, I'm gonna sit beside you. I ain't think nothing of it. You know, I'm just doing my paper and I had the kind of way he can see it, but I wasn't actually trying to show him, but I wasn't hiding it. And so a little bit later on, after we finished the exam, I ain't think nothing of it. By the day or two later, hey man, thank you. What? Talk, man, I copy everything but your name. I got my grade back. to see. Man, I can graduate now, man. Look, anything you need in life, call me.
SPEAKER_01:That's crazy.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, but you've been good to me, though. I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna talk about it, but if I say too much, you might figure out who it is, but I'll talk about it, but yeah. When you said that, that made me think about him, because it was like crazy.
SPEAKER_01:I only did one. We got hung up on that one. Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:man,
SPEAKER_01:look, it's fun. Is your bed made right now?
SPEAKER_02:I didn't make it this morning. Normally, I'm the one make the bed, though. And two, let me tell you something. The quote, somebody said, man, if you can get up and make your bed every morning, you off to a good start. And so when I heard that, I actually started making up my bed. My wife leave earlier, so I be the one that have to make the bed. So for the most part, now I got clothes on and knock. I just took some clothes out to drive. But yeah, I'm going to be
SPEAKER_01:honest with you. That's the only time I make my bed up when I change the desk. Now sometimes that come often.
SPEAKER_02:Nah, I make it more than my wife. I put it like that. And I ain't go like I'm every day, but I try to, you know, when I hear that quote, I try to make the bid. Gotcha. What game show did you ever want to be on? Family Feud. Family Feud. I wanted to be on Family Feud so bad, but then looking at some of the people in my family, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:It's straight up Price is Right for you, boy. I want to spend the big bid. You want to spend the big wheel, get that dollar. Right. All right. Did you cut the umbilical cord during your children's birth?
SPEAKER_02:All three.
SPEAKER_01:All three.
SPEAKER_02:I cut all three of them. Man, that thing was thicker than you think it is, too. You got to see him. I thought it was going to be a quick snitch. Yeah, you got
SPEAKER_01:to put something on it. Let me tell you, on my oldest, Cam... You remember this night. I was in the
SPEAKER_02:delivery room. Hold on. Let's talk about this night before, right? I was in the delivery room. We celebrating birthday party. My birthday. His birthday. So we in Columbia having a great time. I'm talking about, I don't remember going to sleep, but I'm falling asleep somewhere. I'm talking about when I say great time, these people, you wake up, you're walking over people on the floor type good time. So when I say that,
SPEAKER_03:I'm
SPEAKER_02:laying down. I'm laying down. I hear him. Hey, man, my son about to go to Florence. I'm like, all right, man, I'll get with you. I'll be there in a minute. Talking, I'm asleep. I'm half asleep. And I woke up like, his son on the way. We got to get up and go to
SPEAKER_01:Florence. So back story to that. So my birthday... He was born the day after my birthday. He was due actually on my sister's birthday, March 3rd. Okay. So I'm like, I had just started a new job. I had just started a new job. No, I was starting a new job that Monday. Yeah, TW. Yeah, I was starting. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This one, I was about to be a manager at Walmart. Okay. I was starting that job Monday. Um, something else had happened We had just got back from the cruise not too long ago Yeah, I mean, everything was on the up and up 24 years old, 25, however old I was at the time Everything was on the up and up Your boy was just born six months before, not even six months Four months Four months before Everything on the up and up All the boys doing good in life So, alright, my birthday I call all the boys. All the boys come to the house. Good time. We had a good time. Good time. I ain't talking James Evans either. Good time. So, man, everything, everything. Like you said, one of them nights, you don't even remember going to sleep. Next thing I know, the door opens, and my cousin's brother came. Mind you, he lived around the corner.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:He came. He was like, yo, yo, yo. I just got off the phone with your mama. Your baby on the way. First thing I said, damn. I look at my phone. I had 47 missed calls. 47 missed calls. Yeah, I missed that part. Yeah. So I got up, get dressed, boom. I remember stepping over you. Like, yo, bro, I got to go. We on the floor. I got to go. Baby on the way. All right, I'll catch up with you. That's the exact word.
SPEAKER_02:You took my hand. I'm like, man, look, we just went to sleep.
SPEAKER_01:Man, I got to Florence. My ears are an hour and some change. I got here at 45 minutes. 8 o'clock in the morning. This little dude ain't come to three. We got there in time. We was there. And I'm hungover. I'm hungover. Oh, my gosh. I'm so hungover in the living room all day. I sit there and tell the doctor, man, how long, bro? I'm sleepy. So... When it was time to cut the umbilical cord, man, I was like, bro, all right. But my youngest, I did. I did. Man, look, I did. Birth is a beautiful thing. I'm telling you. I promise. I promise. Anybody, you know, every man should experience
SPEAKER_02:that. You can recount your time for your first child, because if you're talking about yours, let me just add, because... My wife woke up, and mind you, let me back up, get the back story, right? So this is like, I'm in college. I'm a junior in college, right? And this is like just before classes start. And classes start on that Tuesday, right? And then this was Sunday night, right? So you know, Sunday night, that party before classes start was a dope party. And I'm in the fraternity, so we had a little house party going on. And I'm sitting like, man, I got to bring my old lady. So I brought my girlfriend, who was pregnant at the time, not my wife. But I took her to one of her friends room that was closer to the party. So if something happened, I can just get up and go. So I left the party. I had to be like two o'clock in the morning. Right. Went to pick her up. We went home. You know, I'm sleeping. I got like you say, one of them. I need to be hung over, but just sleep. Woke up. She went to use the bathroom. She kept going. Sean, what? I think my water broke. So, you know, that Cosby episode where he jump up and just get everything.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:I got everything together. Almost left. And then she said, boy, stop. You got to call the doctor. You got to do this. It's 5 o'clock in the morning now, so I'm just on go. And then so we get to that. I call my mama, Ma, thank you, baby. You know, my baby on the way. So she awaited a two-hour ride, so she's jumping. Okay, good. Then we go to the hospital. Like you said, we got there at 5.30. My daughter was born at 250. Terrible, bro. We in there talking, laughing, joking, because my wife actually got the shot with the first baby, so she wasn't in the pain like she was. And she literally asked the doctor, can I push now? Am I supposed to push? Most people think the first baby's like a bunch of pain. She was like, asking, can I push? Then it finally came out. I'm like, man, yeah, I cut the umbilical cord. I'm saying like, man, I got a baby, but yeah. Now the boys, she didn't have time to get the epidural, so Joseph asked My second child... I'm in the hospital. Well, again, this is my ignorance now, so if anybody want to get mad at me, go ahead. My wife was complaining about her contractions. I'm like, man, okay, cool. I'm like, she keep complaining. I'm like, let's go to the hospital. She was like, they ain't going to keep me. I'm like, okay, cool. So we went to the hospital. She was telling me about her pain problems or whatever. I was like, well, you hadn't dialed anything, so what we'll do, we'll just keep you overnight and send you home in the morning. Okay, cool. So I'm laying down, and mind you, this is like the Thursday for my birthday, so I'm just chillin'. Next thing you know, I'm asleep on the little couch that gear. I hear, ah! I wake up like, what? You know, kind of lost. One, figuring out where I'm at. And two, like, what going on? Then the nurse come in. My wife was like, hey, I need to get the shot. Nurse come in and check. Oh, yeah, you dilated like nine centimeters. Like, what? The baby about to come. She's like, I get the shot. She say, baby, by the time I get the needle ready, this baby going to be here. So she pushed him out about 350 8 a.m. And this is the crazy part. I went to work the next morning. Like, I left the hospital and went to work. And it was a Friday at that because the reason why I went to work, I didn't want to waste my vacation day on Friday so you're going to be in the hospital. That was my train of thought. So I get to work. Yeah, my baby was just born that night. And my boss was like, what you doing here? I said, man, I didn't want to take the time. I'm going to take all next week off. I wanted to come in today. So, again, shout out to Jim Escalete, man. He looked out for me. He was like, look. Go to your baby in your hospital. You get paid for the rest of the day. So I left work about 10.30. He paid me for the rest of the day, and that was all right, man. So, yeah, third baby was just an accident. Shout out to umbilical cords.
SPEAKER_01:All right, two more questions, man. We got to get out of here. All right, worst birthday you ever had. This goes into the last question.
SPEAKER_02:Worst birthday? Oh, man, 15 years old, right? I can go to it because my sister bring it up every time, and I'm ready to fuss and fight. But I'm turning 15, and no, this was 14. Let me go a year before that. This was my 14th birthday. 15 was great. 14 was bad. So, you know, my mama asked me, what you want for your birthday? I said, man, just give me a pizza party. So she decided to take it upon herself. Again, as I got older, I learned. She kind of told me, but as a kid, you ain't trying to hear it. So she went to the grocery store We get the Winn-Dixie pizza. She bring it back to the house to cook. I say, Ma, I ain't want that. I do not want no Winn-Dixie pizza. Don't call nobody over. I ain't want that. No, you're not going to do that to me. I was mad. My sister laughed. My sister thought it was the funniest thing ever. Talk about, oh, yeah, you got a pizza parter from Winn-Dixie. They were Winn-Dixie brand pizza. I'm like, you couldn't even spring on Little Caesars. But she was like, boy, my car taxes due Christmas around the corner. I ain't got time to be doing all this stuff. So it was like one of those as a parent reality check. But as a kid, man, I I ain't trying to hear none of it. And to this day, my sister bring up that birthday and I'm like, man, I don't even want to hear it. But since that day, I really never celebrated birthdays. I probably celebrated like three birthdays after that.
SPEAKER_01:My worst birthday, man, probably was my, I think it was my second year in college, bro. And my birthday was like on a Wednesday. Nah, but I ain't get, you know, you ain't get that love. You know what I'm saying? That's the first time you ain't really. Oh, you realize you grown. Yeah, exactly. Like that first one, like my birthday was like on a Wednesday or two, something like that. You know, all my mama did was call me, tell me happy birthday. Like that's the first time, you know, you know what I'm saying? I was like, that was depressing. Like I remember sitting in my door room. Somebody called me and told me happy birthday. What you doing for? I got class in the morning. I'm just sitting here playing
SPEAKER_02:the game. What actually happened to me in college, man, and I'm thankful, man. I had gotten to fraternity my sophomore year, but I had like two other fraternity brothers birthday that same week. So we parted November. So November was like, oh man, from the first all the way through the end of the month. Now finals day was in the middle. So when I tell you I probably enjoyed birthdays in college is more than I enjoyed any other. So see,
SPEAKER_01:now you touching on something. See, so you remember that year my birthday was during your homecoming. See, that's another pick six. Last one, man. What is not a big deal to some people, but is torture to you?
SPEAKER_02:Torture to me? Complaining. It's not a big deal to a lot of people because they complain all the time, but it's torture to hear people complain because it's like you can change what you want to change. If you don't want to change it, then quit complaining about it. And that's huge to me. I was going to ask what your pet peeves, but this is one of my complaining.
SPEAKER_01:Anybody that complains. Let's go with one of my damn pet peeves. You're going to frown your face when I say this. I hate whispering. I hate to hear people whisper. Why? I don't know. Whispering is, I hate it, dog. See, y'all, everybody here laughing. do not ever whisper around me dog I don't like it I don't know if it's just the unknown I just don't like the sound of whispering oh man so you ain't like the whisper song if you got to whisper something to me tell me later
SPEAKER_02:oh nah see we can whisper to me well life experiences sometimes you gotta get information fast come in
SPEAKER_01:I can't see that shit just irked me when you did that nah that don't bother me at all I hate whispering dog I'm one of the ones that need to know don't whisper That's
SPEAKER_02:different. That's
SPEAKER_01:different.
SPEAKER_02:That's different. It's the same concept.
UNKNOWN:Amen.
SPEAKER_03:Nah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Come on, bro. My wife wishes me might. I'm paying
SPEAKER_01:attention. So, amen.
UNKNOWN:You got it. You got it.
SPEAKER_01:As opposed to... Yeah, I need you to go in the house. As opposed to deeper.
UNKNOWN:That's different.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you're going to have to break that one down. I ain't never heard nobody say they like whispering.
SPEAKER_01:Bro, I hate it. Even... It's... It's like you said, the whisper song. Yeah, you hate that one too? Oh, man. If it's a commercial, come on, when people start whispering. I don't know why. That is a straight-up trigger
SPEAKER_02:to me, yo. I don't know. Yeah, that's crazy. I
SPEAKER_01:told you it was going on. That's
SPEAKER_02:crazy
SPEAKER_01:to hear. Whispering is torture to me. Seriously. I never heard that. In all my years of living, I never heard that. Maybe it come from, you know how it went. Somebody whispered, yeah, ain't nothing good coming from it. Or if you some way, and your mama look at you and sit your ass down or something like that. You keep on that. Right. I'm going to whip your ass. I don't, I cannot stand whispering at you. I don't know. Whispering usually means I ain't going to say usually because you brought up the other. Shout out to the world, man. Embracing the great here, man. What you got to close us
SPEAKER_02:out? A quote I heard this week. Intent does not control impact. Sometimes we do stuff with the intent of doing a certain thing, but the impact on others, we may not register it. Be thoughtful in the things that you do because intent does not equal impact.
SPEAKER_01:Intent does not equal impact. Okay, I like that one. Shout out to the world, man. Shout out to football season is here, man.
SPEAKER_02:We in the middle of it and I'm doing all right in fantasy, so we're going to keep it going. We're going to end it tonight and we're going to hopefully keep the season going. Embrace the great,
SPEAKER_01:dog.
SPEAKER_02:We out.