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Can’t Eat That No More: From Homecoming Vibes to Conspiracy Talks
In this week’s episode of Embrace the Great Podcast, hosts Shawn and Dominique take listeners on a relatable and entertaining ride through real-life topics that hit home. The conversation kicks off with laughs about getting older and foods they “just can’t eat no more,” before transitioning into reflections on fatherhood, teaching their kids financial lessons, and the excitement building up for Wilson High School’s legendary homecoming.
But the talk doesn’t stop there — the duo dives deep into some of the most talked-about conspiracy theories, from the moon landing to Tupac’s death, mixing humor with thoughtful perspective. They wrap it up with real-world gems on community, family, and investing in the future through real estate.
It’s nostalgia, grown-man wisdom, and pure barbershop-style conversation — all in one episode.
Welcome to another week's episode of Embrace the Great Podcast with your host, Sean Elliott, and my boy Dominique Maldry. What was that name? Hey, you know how we started off. What you got going on your mind, man?
SPEAKER_02:Not a whole lot, man, just a lot of idle time. Um, just watching little documentaries and stuff. Sitting around the house cleaning and all that. You you know what was funny. Real quick story though. Something I was thinking about today. Um you ever you remember the stuff you used to could eat, but you can't eat it no more. I got a whole list, I got a whole list of those. Man, let me tell you, boy, I ate two bowls of cereal today. With the milk, bro. I can't I can't do milk no more. Oh my gosh. I can't tell you last time I had a bowl of cereal. It's crazy. Like you never really saw like your grandma, your great grandma eating no syria. Now you know why.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, man, as you get older, the taste buds change, man. This is a couple things on that list that I know I cannot revisit. Yeah. Um, I can't eat no more oodles and noodles in the cup of the bag. I I had so many when I was young, another one hot pockets. Can't eat no more hot pockets. I the smell of them make me sick.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, there's a few things I got like that, but it's crazy how when we born, milk is all we got. But when you get old, you can't drink no jam milk no more.
SPEAKER_03:Not at all. I can't, man. I couldn't. I milk was never my thing anyway. Like I ain't never really liked milk. People, you want to drink carton of milk, man? No. And then um, I had a homeboy, man. His father, his granddaddy was a janitor or whatever, but he will always have like the milk cartons or the extra juice cartons after they leave school. So I would sit here and go over there and do it like that. But yeah, man, I ain't been having much going on. What you got? Um, not much, man. Look, um, highlight my son started a job today, you know what I'm saying? So that's always good when when your kids start the employment. Um, looking forward to see what he does with his money. You know, that's always big. I always tell them you make the money, but not how much you can make, it's how much you can keep. So we're gonna keep trying to instill some stuff in him. Hopefully he takes heed to it. But, you know, as a parent, what I'm learning as you as I get older, you can give your kids everything on earth as far as knowledge, as far as, you know, material stuff or whatever, but at the end of the day, they're gonna make their own decisions. And I'm at a transition point where, you know, you got young adults, and I say young adults, I got raised from 17 to 21, and they're looking at life a little different now, but you know, they want to go and do things on their own. I'm like, cool. And I'll my favorite line to them is the best part about advice is you don't have to take it. But don't come to me with the same thing when I already gave you the answer to the test. But other than that, man, I ain't got too much going on. Kind of getting excited a little bit for homecoming. And I say homecoming, Wilson High School homecoming in Florence, South Carolina.
SPEAKER_02:That's all.
SPEAKER_03:Um, has to be probably the best high school homecoming experience that you probably will ever have. I'm I'm not saying that to be biased, but often imitated. Yeah, never duplicated.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, man, it's it's that time. You know, when you do you feel it in the atmosphere, you know. I I'm one of the ones I I admit, after every year, like, man, I ain't doing much next year.
SPEAKER_03:And when next year comes, I'm back on the scene. Nostalgia gets, yeah, man. Look at me. What heck what gets me when I start seeing the flags fly? And it's like, okay, cool. But then two, you know, um, and you know, we participate in our class pretty heavy, and everybody's class participate at a different rate. But when you do a lot of that work behind the scenes, that's one of the reasons why you don't look forward to homecoming because it's like work. Yeah, getting up early and again, getting the grill ready, making sure we got enough food for the tailgate. And I always say class of 2001, we maintain a standard, man. I want to make sure we continue that standard.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I saw, oh, I meant to uh put that in the uh in the class group chat. I saw a post uh uh under somebody's comment. Um it said the class of 2001 only had Vienna sausages. And I could I was doing something when I saw it, so I could respond. Because I like the tasteful social media wars between classes and school, the tasteful ones, not when people get all in their feelings and personal, but it's all fun. Yeah, I like the tasteful ones, the ones you you do that make you laugh and joke. But uh I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna get back to that comment because you know better.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Um I'm bringing off-brand soldiers. I'm like, man, you can do what you do, man. We one thing about Wilson Homecoming, man, it's a big, big family reunion. And if you come experience it, then you will see what I'm talking about. You don't have to be a Wilson Tiger to experience it, but being a Wilson Tiger makes it a little bit more enjoyable. Um kind of looking forward to class 2000, their 25th reunion. And I say that because, you know, being in school, I had an opportunity to graduate with them, but I chose not to. I didn't want to, I wanted to stay with my class one. Plus, the the main reason was the basketball team was going to Las Vegas my senior year, and I wasn't gonna miss that. Yeah, what I I had someone ask me, man, um probably about 10 years ago.
SPEAKER_02:And I know the answer to it, and I and the and I gave her the answer. But why do you think in this area high school homecomings are so meaningful, I should say?
SPEAKER_03:Um, well, one of the major things on this side of the state, we don't have as many colleges. You know, we got a smaller college here in Florence, but um, for the most part, and again, it was a joke somebody said, but it made sense. A lot of the time, man, that's the last time people finished graduated so much. So it's one of those things they want to celebrate what they got. And then two, just being home. A lot of the local people graduate from the high school, stay in the area. And again, it's one of those times to come together, see people you haven't seen in a while. Um, just get up with some people, man. And one thing I'm gonna kind of elaborate on a little bit, and I know I'm probably going a little longer, but um the classes, and I say our class, our class is particularly close, and I like our class, not just us as friends, but I always I look at the bonds our kids have. Yeah. And when we always got little Monica 01 babies, but they take it to a whole nother level, man. And I I love seeing that continuity and making sure they they they know what homecoming looks like, they know what friendship looks like, and I watching them do it, man, that makes me makes me feel good.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, my son, he he hit me with uh Dad, can we can my class hang out with y'all class? We'll have our own shirts. It ain't like y'all be in with hanging with us.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, of course y'all can, man. Of course. See, you get the out. I get the dad, can you cook for my class? I ain't got uh I'm I'm like, no, not yet. Y'all gonna y'all got no boys in y'all class that can learn? I can teach them, but I ain't want to cook for y'all class and mine.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's a little never mind.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, we did it one year. I think one year when the um another classmate daughter came and asked, hey, can we put our food on y'all grills or y'all go ahead and cook it? We just take it back. I'm like, man, bring it. You know, we're just one of those homecoming type vibes. No child left behind. No class left behind. So uh I'm I'm assuming the answer, but I'm gonna ask anyway, what's your favorite part about homecoming? Ooh, favorite part.
SPEAKER_02:I think, man, just just like you said, the the camaraderie with the people. Even if it's people you probably you you see around town. Um but just that camaraderie, everything always seems to come together. Um, you know, you have people that you don't hang with, y'all stay in the same city, but when you see them, everything kind of pick up where they left off. Um and then the second thing is seeing the seeing everybody get together and no problems being caused. Um, you see older people giving younger people game, and the younger people, you know, they're receiving it. Um I remember a few years ago, you know, everybody out there doing their thing at the tailgate. I just say that. Everybody out there doing their thing. And I walked by one of the younger classes, and I said, hey man, I'm not telling y'all what to do. I told them how to do. And this was the first time I was called Unc. This is the first time I was called Unc. And the and the kid, he was like, Yeah, yeah, you're right, Uncle, you're right, man. I appreciate that, man. I'm gonna go ahead and and you know, I'm saying, I'm gonna go ahead and tell the rest of my class, because you're right. Yeah, you know, I think that now we're a little older and seeing the younger classes receive game from us. Um, I know we said this quote on here before, but uh doing doing the wrong thing the right way, type of deal. So it's like, you know, you do what you do, but do it in this manner to where it's not perceived as a certain way. Correct. So that's one of my favorite things um about homecoming altogether.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, with everything going on, man. Look, the Friday night game, the homecoming court, um, the uh I say the parties and the the get-togethers and um what we got the next day, we got the tailgate, we got um parade. I forgot about parade, that's big, that's huge. Um, and they, you know, just kind of give them the hit. They give every class that participates all the way back from normally we have all the way 1960-something all the way to current that can represent along with other businesses there. Um, but my favorite part of tailgate is always the tailgate. My favorite part of homecoming is the tailgate.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Always the tailgate. Because, you know, I go back and I sit down, go to my mama class, I go to my auntie classes, I go to my homeboy's cousins' classes and laugh joke, um, have a few plates and everything else, man. But um, just the nostalgia of tailgate, the kids running around, the different class, the younger classes. One thing I can say I love is how the younger classes really, really show out. Like they come with the enthusiasm that as we get older, you know, we didn't did that, done that. So it's like watching them do it, like, okay, they're carrying the torch. And it's doing it the right way, yeah. Do it the right way.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And that's that's what it's all about, man. Um, you know, over the past weekend, you know, the unfortunate incident happened in Orangeburg at South Carolina State homecoming. You know, that that's the last thing any school, especially HBCUs, um, want to happen, man. Because you you don't want to, I guess, give more fuel to the to the stereotype of of black people getting together all at once. And so I hate to see that happen, man. And definitely um But it rarely happens.
SPEAKER_03:That's what I mean. Like, as much as you know, we all these killers and shooting going on in America in general, when it comes to uh a lot of uh the S the HBCUs or even the high school homecoming, we very rarely have violence because everybody just wants to come together and have a good time. Yeah, and that's what it's all about, man.
SPEAKER_02:Man, a peaceful event is a successful event, man, when it comes to things like that. So definitely, man, we're gonna keep the trend going as far as uh Wilson Yu's homecoming, and everybody just have the good fellowship, man.
SPEAKER_03:And we laugh and joke with each other, at each other, and all that. Oh man. Yeah, like that's why I say the tailgate, the funniest part, man. We talk trash, and then next thing you know, we asking the bar or something. Then you go, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, now that that's always funny, bro. That's always funny, especially we do it all the time with 2002, right?
SPEAKER_01:Man, y'all got this, that, and the other. Hey, bro, let me ball your talk.
SPEAKER_03:Hey man, y'all got some ketchup over there, and we need some more of that sauce. Yeah, but yeah, it's always good to get a spade game going and everything else, man. But um, homecoming, the vibe is coming. I'm really getting a nostalgia now that again, I I being living here, as I move back, when I was gone, when I was living away, homecoming felt more fun because it was like I didn't see anybody, but you know, when I'm here, it's like I see a lot of people all the time, so it won't be that same feeling. But then again, it's like the closer it getting, you see people you haven't seen in a while, people coming back for the first time and having experience. There's always one or two for you if you still haven't seen it. And you get excited, man. I got a couple people from high school that, you know, graduated. I haven't seen them since graduation, and I'll be wanting to know where they're at, but if they pop up homecoming, man, it's all love and just a good, again, a good time. I say a uh a citywide family reunion, that's how it feels. For sure.
SPEAKER_02:Um, but yeah, other than that, bro, I uh one thing that you know, since I've had a lot of idle time, um, watching documentaries. So I'm on, I'm on, I got I got a few good questions to ask during this whole little episode. But one big thing that stuck out to me, man. Uh let me ask you this question first. Are you big on conspiracy theories? Not at all. No.
SPEAKER_03:Not at all. Well, I listen to them, but then and then I listen to them and I look at okay, what sounds true, what doesn't sound true, and is it worth me doing research on it? You know, and I say some of them make sense, some of them don't. Um, but it's like it's like with me, does it pass a common sense question? If it's a common sense, okay, I can look at it, but if it's like far-fetched, like, uh, and I'm not discounting everything because some of the stuff they don't want to be broadcasted like that, but sometimes uh I'm not a big conspiracy theory type. Yeah, I don't think so.
SPEAKER_02:I'm I don't think I am um just for the simple fact, man, theory conspiracies are just alternative, alternative messages to cater to what you believe really happened. So I I had a few um that I uh kind of researched, not research, but you know, the bit the top conspiracy theories in the world. And you know, we can kind of go over or talk about them. All right, so first one, of course, the moon landing. What you think about that?
SPEAKER_03:Man, I had a serious debate. I I did I wasn't part of the debate, but I witnessed a serious debate in college on people landing on the moon. And there's a simple question, like I say, the common sense question. Yeah, somebody landed on the moon back then, why then we ain't went back? So you got the footprints, you got all over why we ain't went back. Because if you got there one time and it gets the technology come back. So nobody ever been back to the moon? I ain't never looked at it. You see nobody ever take pictures and all this technology we got now, we ain't been back. Yeah, I don't know. I think people have been in space, but I don't know if they've been to the moon per se. So it's supposed to be it now. So with all this technology we have now, you mean to tell me since 1970. So we go with 59 people, but can't go with 25. That's my thing. We take pictures of everything now, but now we ain't got no pictures of it.
SPEAKER_02:So uh that one the one uh my question with anything outer space is people, you know, the first thing we learn in school about out of space is what ain't no gravity. So if ain't no gravity, how can we make it back? Correct. That's what that was, I'm talking about outer space, moon, whatever. Like, how?
SPEAKER_03:And again, you got directions, you got a GPS to the moon in 1969, you know what I'm saying? Like, nah, that one like I know how to get there. I'm sure the calculations aside. And I know I get that. That's why I say some of that, but it's like the evidence. They took a picture with the man.
SPEAKER_01:By the time y'all do this, and you flew this long, you should be pulling up. The moon should pull up on your right.
SPEAKER_03:Correct. That's what I'm saying. Like, okay, 36 hours to get you know, so how long you got? They gonna beat the GPS? Man, I with all this technology now. My question would be why haven't we gone back?
SPEAKER_02:That's one I always, I mean, I guess I'm saying I got to see you to believe it. Like, bruh, come on. The moon, y'all with it. Like, but at the same time, the flip side, you remember, I remember I seen you in high school, man. That was when they first found water on Mars. And they always say, wherever there's water, there's life. So, and then now you can, if you got the money, you they take you on the excursion out of space and back. So I'm I'm starting to kind of believe it now because there's a lot going on with it. I hear you. Yeah, uh remember um Kings of Comedy, uh said the entertainer say, um, white folks think they go to the moon and leave us.
SPEAKER_01:Y'all go into the moon, we coming to. I don't want to go.
SPEAKER_03:Neither. I wouldn't, man. Look, I barely want to leave out the United States most of the time, unless it's on way vacation spot. Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_02:I just don't know about that. I out of space just ain't really, I still don't believe it. I'll put it that way.
SPEAKER_03:The moon part. I believe outer space, but the moon just us went. Because um, with Russia and I want to say China, a couple people done been outer space, but like I said, why we the only ones got pictures on the moon? And I think that was the America, America Bravado, the show we won the race, so we gonna fabricate what we need to fabricate to make it look like that.
SPEAKER_02:And all that goes with another big uh conspiracy theory in the world is the is the uh earth flat around, you know.
SPEAKER_03:I think that round it got to be because in a way it's flat and we have different time zones. You ain't never heard nobody falling off the earth. Nope.
SPEAKER_04:So I mean, let's be real.
SPEAKER_02:Um all right, so another one. Uh let's see what we got here. I had a few good ones. Um do you believe when you see airplanes in the air, the exhaust, do you believe those are chemicals? You know, like when you see an airplane in the air, you see the the exhaust.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, nah. I think somebody do that on purpose. Uh you think that's just exhaust. I don't. I think it's some kind of powder or some kind of chemical mixture they have to make that, because certain ones can do. I know some of the planes that, you know, I can go back to the beach, they fly over the beach and spell your name, or whatever the case may be. So I think they put something in there to do that, but because you look at any other plane, you don't see that. I think that theory comes from, you know, back in the day war.
SPEAKER_02:And, you know, they would do that. They would fly over certain places and and drop stuff, you know, sort of like what they call them things, crop dusters, yeah, stuff like that, man. I think that's but um it's the uh yeah, the chemtrail, the chemtrail conspiracy theory, that's the name of it. So that was something that I think kind of was just, you know, throwing out there. Um another one. Do you think the government has something to do with JFK and Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination? Yes, they documented. Document it, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You go look at the government record, they say that um government responsible for Martin Luther King and the main reason he they didn't care about equal rights. What it was, he was trying to get that money. He was trying to not say reparations, but trying to make stuff economically equitable, and that's not something that was wanted at the time. So now I know they had what the CIA following him or something to that effect from the stuff. It's public record, so you can pull that up. It's on that documentary, they yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Dr. King was out here being villain. But I but yeah, I did see that part of it where you know they had uh documentation of of them, you know, having bugs and everything on them and that sort of thing. And that's where I think it first came from saying, you know, y'all were following him and all this and had taps on them. So why y'all ain't why nobody could tell when he got killed or who shot him? If you know what I mean. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But that that was part of it because again, it was it it was getting down to we were getting stuff written in Congress about equ, you know, money. You were trying to make sure everything was equal there. So civil rights, cool, but then when it comes time to economics, you know, they didn't at the time it that's not something that was. So yeah, man, that's that I I don't know. That's just tough, man. Wow. And see, and I look at that, man, and either JFK or um Martin Luther King. That's what's discouraging about really truly being a leader. Because what I've seen, again, to go back 60 to 70s, when you got a good leader and people willing to follow and they come in with sense, especially a black man, they don't normally make it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but it's just I was so nervous for Obama. It's just bad that they couldn't have killed Obama, boy. I I think, I think African American people would it would have really been an uprising if it's what did you just say?
SPEAKER_03:You touch him, we ride.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I I think that was really trouble if if he was assassinated.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but I'm I'm just saying that at the time I was real nervous because every leader I saw that would make sense and you know could actually move some things, they they wouldn't last long. Yeah, and I go from Mega Evers to Um again, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, you can name any of the civil rights, and they got a couple of that's unknown nationally, but they did a whole lot of work and they wouldn't wiped off before they can get to the mainstream. Yeah. All right, another one I got.
SPEAKER_02:Um and this is always a debatable one. 9-11 was an inside job.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think it was an inside job. I don't, but I don't know. I ain't did too much research on 9-11.
SPEAKER_02:I don't think it was. I just think that the government was warned that this would happen and then response. Yeah, yeah. I think I think that's the biggest thing with that.
SPEAKER_03:That's the common sense thing to me. Like what makes common sense makes common sense.
SPEAKER_02:I think that I I don't believe that nobody in government. You know, we just said that they would assassinate somebody, but I don't think the government I kill three thousand, not mass, not mass. I I just don't, you know, I'm not a big politics guy and all that, but I I am a guy that thinks there's more good in the world than evil, how I put it that way.
SPEAKER_03:You see, I got to pay attention to politics. Um and I say I used to be not a politician, not I'm not a politician, but I'm not a politics guy. But I pay attention to what's going on now because I realize the power of the the politics. Like, that's where the power lies in the rulemaking. So it's like, you know, you want to change the rules, you got to go to them. And we type like the cre I ain't gonna say recreate our rules, but the way to do it is to go through Congress, to go through your state senate to the state house. But we don't do that. But in that same breath, it's like I don't want to deal with nothing with politics, but I want to understand them and know the people who are there so that if we got something we want to go on, I'm gonna think they work for the people, so I'm part of the people. That's right. All right, man.
SPEAKER_02:Last one I got. This is a big debate in hip hop culture. Is Tupac dead?
SPEAKER_03:Oh man. Tupac. I ain't never seen no footage of his funeral. He got creeped. See, that's another reason why I it it's it's debatable. It's debatable, but nah, I think he's gone, man. I don't try to re-resurrect people, or if he, you know, you know, I heard theories that he faked his death and then went to Cuba to go stay with his aunt, you know, and the aunt just passed away. So if he, you know, that the case and what's gonna happen, he's gonna pop up, but I don't think so. I think he's gone, man. Man, I'm gonna keep it gone. But the reason why I say he's gone, because it's too much, too many cameras, too, too much people want to be seen now that if they seen a glimpse of him, yeah, it would have been reported. Yeah. Well, my thing is I don't know. I believe he is gone.
SPEAKER_02:Listen, man. I'm I'm gonna keep it all away. Ain't no black person fake it this, bro. Ain't no black person fake. I don't care. You know, we gonna run away and it just caught your boy today. He had a good run. But man, I saw all that on social media on my way. You know the fun now. Somebody reeled it back in, like, bruh, he killed people, dog. Yeah, like come on, man.
SPEAKER_03:He deserved to go where he goes, but in this ain't breath, man. Look, he he did. People root for the underdog. A lot of people root for the underdog, so they want to see how long he can go until it happens to them.
SPEAKER_02:Correct. That man would have killed somebody in their family, they ain't posted that stuff. Yeah, but he got caught in Atlanta.
SPEAKER_03:Somebody said, All the people, you end up in Atlanta.
SPEAKER_02:And I just left Atlanta, that's crazy. But yeah, man, uh, that was uh just one of the things that I've been going through, looking at different conspires and just basically laughing at them, man. It's like I think that's just another way where people um try to flip things to I don't want to say make it make sense, but fit their narrative.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and propaganda. That's what the word is. They use stuff that fit their narrative. Yeah. But yeah, man, that's pretty much all I've been I got. You got anything else? Um, just thinking out loud, man, the tax sales just happened, man. And I'm sitting here like up, I ain't gonna say upset, but just want to kind of bring light to it. Like we just had one in Florence, and I want to get with some people who want to look at tax sales. I want to get into real estate, man. I want to retire, I want, you know, and I understand real estate is the best way to become a millionaire. And most millionaires are made in their 40s, and I just hit 42. So I'm I'm trying to find ways to get there, and I'm saying that now because again, as my kids kind of transition out the house, and you think, oh, I got extra money, but I don't, because every time I turn around, they call them with something. But as a parent, you want to try to be there for them and get them started in life, because once they get on their own, I feel like I'll be all right.
SPEAKER_02:Well, yeah, there. Um I s I went to one of those last, I think it was last year, maybe a year before, man. And you know, it was eye-opening. I went with somebody that, you know, she's into you know that type of stuff. So I, you know, I mean her had a conversation about it. She's like, you know what, the auction coming. You wanna go with me? Yeah, let's go. So, but the thing is, you want to invest in it, you gotta have some money. Oh, yeah, man.
SPEAKER_03:Okay and two, investment groups. Yeah, that's one of the things that you know, if I can see here and get a group together and we put back a few K, let's go look at some property. Yeah, yeah, that's always big, man. So um you know, shout out to people that are uh able to do that type of stuff. Yeah, man, it's small steps. Look, my mama got one, I think she paid a thousand dollars for uh um a property, and she was like it, you know, if I get it, I get it. If I don't, I don't. She was just kind of taking a chance of how it works, because if you don't, if they got a year to pay their taxes, and if they don't pay them, then it'll transfer ownership to whoever paid at the tax sale, but it's with interest, you know. So you got to pay depending on how fast you pay, depending on the interest rate. I started doing research on it, man, and it's like, man, a lot of stuff ain't hard, it's just a matter of sitting down trying to figure out how to get it done.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, yep, that's that's big, bro. So um, yeah, that's pretty much all you had as far as um I'm thinking about what else going on, man.
SPEAKER_03:Um trying to think about last week. I know we went here last week, but I'm trying to think about what I missed last week. I I feel like I'm something, you know how it goes, we feel like something was on my brain, but I can't get it out now. Always got the jot.
SPEAKER_02:Got the jot. I learned that. Got the jot. Oh, man, you can't just sit there. Okay, I remember that these time. Yeah, and I think I okay.
SPEAKER_03:I think I don't think I jotted when I did something. Nah, I can't remember that, man. My brain all over the place.
SPEAKER_02:Alright, man. Well, I'm gonna get into my pick six. I got a few good ones, man. And on one of them, I'm gonna kind of mix it up a little bit. Um, we'll go with the uh, you know, just kind of I guess the ones that kind of help people get to know you. Uh let's see where to start here. Your favorite ice cream flavor. Butter pecan. Yes, sir. That might make me old, but butter pecan. Yeah, I like it, man. I remember I called you one day because I was having a debate with somebody. And I said, man, I got about three, four homeboys. People I could call right now. They tell you that they favorite ice cream.
SPEAKER_03:And she ain't believed me, so. Oh, yeah, easy. That easy. And this is the trip part though. Butter almond from Piggly Wiggly might be up there too. And I ain't never had it, but it was the substitute for Butter Peacock. But I remember Piggly Wiggly was the only one used to do butter, butter almond. Yeah, I just saw that today. I went across the sharp. All right, name a movie that made you cry. Um, the first movie I ever made me cry was probably Philadelphia. With Tom Hanks? Tom Hanks and um Denzel Washington. I remember that movie, but I that one got me. That one got me. And then um The Hate You Give. I actually shed a couple tears on that one. I don't know if there was angry tears, upset tears, or what, but that that was one that got me too. Uh I'm gonna come at it out. How many, how many times did it take you to pass your driver's test? Two. No, the driver's test one. I permit test twice. And as we say that now, man, I was laughing. I went out to uh eat last night to celebrate somebody's birthday, right? Uh and um, you know, just you know, I I got a tendency to talk to young high school students, uh high school students, right? So I got to a senior, you know, and I off-air I tell you who it is, but you know, just talking to him. I'm like, man, what's going on? What's your next steps or whatever? And then his pops walk up and say, Look, he needs to pass that driver's test. I mean, that permit test. I say, Well, well, how many times? And he hit me, guess how many times he took it? You know, permit tests can get some people. So I'm thinking two or three. He said, Man, he didn't fail six times. I'm like, six? And this is a senior in high school, so I'm like, man, what you yeah, you better be dedicated all your time to studying to get that one. Yeah, I did.
SPEAKER_02:I passed both of them the first time. That um I'm that permit test is a little tricky. I ain't gonna say tricky. I remember the first time because you take it on a little kiosk or whatever. See, that's where I failed.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I had the written test the first time before they got on the computer. So I took the written test the first time and failed out when they put me on the computer. I passed that one.
SPEAKER_02:I took mine on the little kiosk. You hit the little thing. But the first time you miss a question, boy, that thing makes a lot of noise.
SPEAKER_00:You like, oh, and you look around like, damn.
SPEAKER_02:But I remember I took my permit test, and um I don't know however many you could miss. I think it was like five or three or whatever. Six. Yeah. And whatever it was, I had missed that number going into my last three questions. Like I couldn't miss no more, but I ended up getting it. But my driver's test, man, I, you know, I've I've been driving since I was 10 years old, I think. So since I could reach the pedal, to be honest. So that wasn't too much. All right. Um, what is the best sports team all time? What like what team really dominated their sports?
SPEAKER_03:Oh man, that that's a tough one. That's real tough. Yeah, I'm thinking about the Miami Hurricanes. You know, I'm thinking that would be a dominant team. Because they and I look at the number of people that had the NFL, the draft picks, and all that other stuff. Um, of course, people like to jump straight to the 90s, what the 96 Bulls? Yeah. 72 and 10. That would that was a good one. Um and they won the championship. Now I wanted to say the New England Patriots, but they lost a they lost a Super Bowl that yeah. They would have won that one. That would have been an easy question. That would have been easy. Um But I I think I'm gonna go with that with that Miami Um Hurricanes team with, you know, that was stacked. The O the O2? No, no, no. It had to be a good one. Yeah, O1. O1. Because O2 lost in the uh championship. Yeah, O1. O1 Miami Hurricanes might be the best team I can think of.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, they um they had a bunch of uh bunch a bunch of NFL players, man.
SPEAKER_03:First round, second round. Like I'm gonna talk about uh Charlotte Taylor, Erie, uh Vince Wilf. Was Jonathan Vilma on that team too? I probably was. Yeah, they had man. Look, yeah, they got some Hall of Famers on that team, man. So when I look at that team, that's the one, that's the first one I think about. Andre Johnson.
SPEAKER_02:And now we're naming names. Them dudes is Hall of Famers. That's what I'm saying. Clinton Portis, Frank Gore.
SPEAKER_04:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02:And that's a running back room. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, the tight ends was great too.
SPEAKER_02:Bryant McKinney, he would uh tackle.
SPEAKER_03:That dude never allowed a sack, they said. Yeah, and then the tight ends, you had Kellen Winslow and um was it Greg Olson? No, Greg Olson was no. No, what was it? It was um Jeremy Shockey. Shockey, I guess Jeremy Shockey, yeah, Shocky. Yeah, but they yeah, they had they had a squad, man. Yeah, but when I think about best team.
SPEAKER_02:Jay Williams, Air Rump, man, come on. And and we're naming name people names that had productive NFL careers, and they were backups on that team. They were back like Willis McGay was he was the third best running back on that team, but behind Clinton Porters and Frank Gore.
SPEAKER_03:And so when I saw that roster, I'm like, yeah, this ain't fair. But that's one in in eventually, and I ain't gonna say right now, but that LSU, that LSU um team that won the national championship more recently. Ah, yeah, they were okay. You say that now, but you go look, they got you, they got Robert She with you, man.
SPEAKER_02:Like when they had they had they had some names too, but they didn't. They still playing. Like, wait, this week. They don't have nothing on that Miami team, bro. That that was like, and when you talk about one team specifically, I think that's what I mean. That was my answer. Um the 2001 Miami Hurricanes, man. That was that was something to see. That was that was crazy. Like, you know, Miami Hurricanes football back in, what was it, the 80s, they were real good. And then they had their little little drop-off. So that was really our first time seeing, like, dang, that's what people talk about Miami. Like, made you wanna, and you know, and we were you know just graduating high school, and I think we kind of came from that sort of environment, you know what I'm saying? So we didn't know. So it was like very relatable, and you rooted for them, man. And it's crazy because Florida State is my team. Yeah, about the same thing. We ain't got no business like in Miami. Yeah, at the same time, we got it. Embrace the great. Yeah, man. You gotta you gotta give it to where it needs to be given. All right. Uh, what is your favorite board game?
SPEAKER_03:Um, Monopoly. Monopoly. But no, I would say, let me go back, checkers. It's between checkers and Monopoly, but checkers is what I'm the best at. Monopoly is more fun because what I as a kid I learned you can relate that to real life.
SPEAKER_02:I love Monopoly, man. You just gotta play it with the right people.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:You you can't play it with nobody that's slow with rolling the dice and all that type of stuff, bro.
SPEAKER_03:Like, come on. Yeah, look, when I'm in something, I'm in something. I mean, I'm in tune.
SPEAKER_02:If we're gonna play, we're gonna play, dog.
SPEAKER_03:Anything. All right.
SPEAKER_02:If you were beginning your own sports franchise, what would the name of the team be?
SPEAKER_03:Franchise? Oh man, franchise. Um, I got a funny one that I thought of during during, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. But go ahead with your. Let me give me a shortcut. Mine would be called the Florence Free Ballers. A team with no draws. Um Florence Free Ballers. And I don't care what sport we play. Whatever team, soccer, basketball, football, baseball, Florence Free Ballers. I gotcha.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, that's a tough one, man, because I'm trying to think about something that'd be, you know.
SPEAKER_00:You ain't never, you know, when you're little, you ain't thought about owning, you know. I ain't never thought about you.
SPEAKER_02:See, man, I was big on when I was little, man. I'm gonna tell you like this straight up. I was big on, and that's why I'm in the culture now. I I sat and thought about that a few years ago. I used to take my toys, rather it'd be an action figure, maybe a stuffed animal. I'm talking about like at six years old, uh, stuffed animal, action figure, whatever. And I would have football games with them. Like Okay, you lay it all out straight up, lay it all out, and I would write down stats and all that type. For real, man. I you know that I always was, you know, of course, big on sports, man. And so I that was something that I thought about. Okay. Not the name, I didn't think of that name when I was six, but that was what you know.
SPEAKER_03:Nah, I can't think of that, man. Not with Florence's name. I don't know. Um I don't know. I was about to say Carolina Cougars or something like that. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:All right, man. So just a big segue into um my the second half of pick six. So I got to listening to some people talk about sports because that's all I do these days is listen. Because I'm not about to, I'm not about to dive into a debate because people are just too biased. But you know the phrase men lie, women lie, numbers don't lie. Correct. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't lie. I think I said that wrong the first time, but whatever. But it got me to thinking, man, I always say, you know, numbers can lie.
SPEAKER_03:I mean they can be interpreted. As a business person, is how you interpret the numbers.
SPEAKER_02:So I got a pick six here, man. I'm gonna give you some stats versus stats. No name. Okay. And I'm gonna get you the pick, and I'm gonna reveal the name after, just to see if you still go with your pick as far as their career and who you got being the best out of the two. Is championships involved with it? No, no, no, no, no. Because raw numbers. Because championships are it have always been to me a team accomplishment. You know, people always talk about, well, LeBron wouldn't never beat Golden Stadium if Kyrie Early wouldn't have hitting that shot. But nobody ever says, well, Michael Jordan wouldn't beat the Jazz if Steve Curry hit this shot. Yeah. So, you know, you know. It's a team, it's a team thing when it comes to championships.
SPEAKER_03:I look at championships as a booster.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. All right, so first two I got. We're dealing with basketball here. 22 points, 11 rebounds, four assists. That's their career stats. 22, 11, and four. Yep. Okay. Versus 19 points, 10 rebounds, three assists. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:12 points, 10, uh, the first one.
SPEAKER_02:22, 11, and 4.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. You go you'll go with the first one. And then we say 19, 10, and what?
SPEAKER_02:Three. Three. Yeah, that's more. All right. So let's see if you still go with this when you throw out the names. Charles Barkley versus Tim Duncan. Charles Barkley was the 22 points, 11 boys, four assists.
SPEAKER_03:You see, that's why I asked for championships involved, because you take away the 22 points.
SPEAKER_02:That's why I say take away the championships.
SPEAKER_03:You yeah, I'm going with an individual player who didn't have the start, I can still go with Barkley. You still go with Barkley over Tim Duncan? Well, if you ask me to rank them, I will rank Tim Duncan higher than Charles Barkley. But based off what you just did just now, I would go with Charles Barkley.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So in this case, numbers lie. What do you mean? Because you you will go with Tim Duncan rank. You'll go with you would rank Tim Duncan ahead of Charles Barkley.
SPEAKER_03:Because of the championships, that's what I'm saying. That's why I asked, was that a factor? Because again, sometimes that look, because it it and it's not a good thing. So do you this coming from the words of Charles Bartley? Sometimes you can put up good numbers on the bad team. So do you exactly? So that's why I'm asking championships matter. No, championships don't matter. So they got to.
SPEAKER_02:Strip temp strip championships. You still going with Charles Barkley over Tim Duncan?
SPEAKER_03:If I had to pick one or the other, I'm gonna pick Tim Duncan. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Strip championship, you still going with Tim Duncan, right? Yeah. And that's why I say numbers lied in this case.
SPEAKER_03:Because Charles Barclay averaged 22, 11 and 4. But see, I don't think the numbers lied. I think you said five championships versus one. No, no, no, no, no. That's why I asked that.
SPEAKER_02:Strip championships. Don't bring championships into the conversation.
SPEAKER_03:But to me, it's hard because that's winning. That's winning. Just based off of stats. But see, this is the thing, right? Scotty Pippen's stats might not be as great as somebody else's, but it's like he influenced, he impacted winning. I get what you're saying. But we're just basing this conversation off of stats. Okay. See, that's why I mean numbers can be interpreted.
SPEAKER_02:Stats lie. I'm just my point is numbers can lie. That's all I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03:Because I'm going with Tim Duncan all day. Well, what I'm gonna say this from the Nets go around. How many years they played? I know Tim Duncan played like 20, Barkley played like 14, 15. So if I average 19 over a longer period of time, I might go with that. But again, we're moving the goalposts. Not necessarily, because again, it what I'm taking into consideration are the latter years, right? The latter years where Tim Duncan was putting up 12 points and So with Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley wasn't doing that. No, but in their prime, if Tim Duncan got 15 years, we averaging 24 points a game. You know what I'm saying? So in the last five, he got 12. I ain't mad. But Charles Barkley was too. But Charles Barkley ain't play as long as Tim Duncan. Again, that matters. We're going just off of stats, is what I'm saying. You're doing averages. That's why I hear the averages, but if you don't do that, I would rather have total stats. My point, that is. That's career. No, no, no, no, no, career average. You're talking about total points.
SPEAKER_02:Total point, total rebound, total assistance. That would make me I'm making the point that numbers can lie. That's all I'm doing. I'm making a point numbers can lie.
SPEAKER_03:When you take average, it can't, it can, yeah, it can give you everything.
SPEAKER_02:That's numbers.
SPEAKER_03:Average is numbers. I hear you.
SPEAKER_02:Average is numbers.
SPEAKER_03:Like I say, context.
SPEAKER_02:But we're going, we're not moving the goalposts. We ain't throwing this in. We ain't throwing that in. People like to say, well, his stats say, but those stats can lie, is all I'm saying. I hear you. All right. Next one. 25, 10, and 3 versus 18, 10, and 4.
SPEAKER_03:25. I'll go with the 25 off numbers. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That was Carl Malone versus Kevin Garnett. Okay, so whoever 25? Carl Malone. I'll go with Carl Malone. Yeah. All right. We're going to flip the football. 13,684 total rush yards, 145 touchdowns, four yards of carry. So that's this is total here. We ain't talking about L.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, I can hear that.
SPEAKER_02:All right. Versus 12,279 yards, 100 touchdowns, four yards of carrying.
SPEAKER_03:Now, how much is the second four yards that both of them added four yards of carry?
SPEAKER_02:145 touchdowns versus 40.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna go with the first one, but it's in the question. My next question would be how long each of them played. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:That probably looking at the name, it's probably around the same amount. That was Ladanian Thomas and versus Marshall Fall.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. Yeah, that makes sense, but I still go with L T on that one.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he had the most 13,000, he had the most yards and touchdowns. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:He had about 15,000 yards, but he only played 10 seasons.
SPEAKER_02:1,432 catches. And my fault. Okay, yeah. 100, we're talking about wide receivers now, I'm sure. 104 104,032 catches, 17,492 yards.
SPEAKER_01:That's a lot of yards, guys.
SPEAKER_02:121 touchdowns. Okay. Alright. 1,078 catches, and this is one where you can years don't matter. 1,078 catches, 15,934 yards, 153 touchdowns. 153 touchdowns. You going with the 153 touchdowns? Over almost 400 more catches. That means you have more opportunities.
SPEAKER_03:And over uh and 2,000 more yards. So he got 400 more catches and less touchdowns. I'm going with the touchdowns. They matter. To a certain extent.
SPEAKER_02:But that was that was Larry Fitzgel versus uh Tara Owens. Yeah. So I'm going with the touchdowns.
SPEAKER_03:And I love, I'm gonna go with T.O.
SPEAKER_02:Touchdowns can be debatable because you gotta think of the thing when they came in.
SPEAKER_03:But like you say, 400 less catches and got how many more touchdowns? That's what I'm looking at.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. That's for the T. But TO played a long time. That's that was my thing.
SPEAKER_03:Like, man, he played that long and that's all he got.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That was Larry Fitzgerald played about the same amount of time. That's what I'm saying, though.
SPEAKER_02:They played the same amount of time. That's why I say you can't factor time into this one because they played about the same amount of time.
SPEAKER_03:The touchdown, that production.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but you know, touchdowns can come at garbage time. Larry Fitzgerald played on a bad team for a lot of years. Yeah, that's why that contribute to more receptions. Yeah. But it ain't got nothing to do with championships. All right. None of them won the championships now that I think about it. Yeah, but that's why I went with the touchdowns. Yeah. All right. We're gonna go on the entertainment side for one. 35 Grammys, three American music awards. Six Grammys, 22 American Music Awards. Say that again. 35 Grammys, three music awards, American Music Awards. And we know these two particular categories are usually rated as the biggest in entertainment when you talk about singing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Versus six Grammys, 22 American Music Awards. And see, it's twofold, right? Because when I hear the Grammys, that's more prestigious than the American Music Awards.
SPEAKER_02:But those are the top two, though. But those are the top two. Those are the top two awards when you're talking about singers. That's why I think it's a good thing. Yeah, but I still think the American Music Awards is second.
SPEAKER_03:So I'm going with Grammys. Whoever got the most Grammys.
SPEAKER_02:We'll go with them, yeah, for sure. Um, just when you, you know, when you talk about career, this is a thing where you talk about career versus talent. You know, you can use that sports entertainment. Like that's, you know, somebody can have a much better career than somebody, but their talent don't equal it. Yeah, they peak. Yeah. That's how I look at it. That is.
SPEAKER_03:And I would say that that's the Jordan LeBron debate to me. I think at the peak of his power, Jordan might was more entertaining, but if you look at LeBron's career, I really think that's a good idea.
SPEAKER_02:LeBron LeBron's career is gonna be the best ever. Correct. And that's what people don't like the fact that they didn't need a debate that. Like when you just talk about career, though, nobody has is close to this dude.
SPEAKER_03:I know that man.
SPEAKER_02:And that goes to another point. Okay, nobody wants to talk about what Michael Jordan did at 40 as opposed to LeBron. But we're talking about their career, right? Correct. It's part of it. Yeah, but those that those last two.
SPEAKER_03:But I think Jordan Peak was higher than LeBron Peak, but I think the overall bag and that. But those two were uh Beyonce versus Whitney Houston.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, who got the Grammys? I mean, you know Beyonce got all the Grammys, though. I still think Whitney Houston's the same, but Whitney Houston is by far the better singer, in most people's opinion. But when you talk about the career, you gotta say Beyonce. You gotta say it. So, all right, last one, and this is dealing with baseball. Um, bat an average of 295, 696 career home runs, 2,086 RBIs, um, versus 284, I mean uh 284 average, 630 home runs, and 1,836 RBI.
SPEAKER_03:The first one.
SPEAKER_02:Go with the first one, hands down. Yeah, you know, you got it better in every category. When you talk about Taylor, you wouldn't go with this first one. What are you talking about? That was A-Ri versus Ken Griffith Jr.
SPEAKER_03:I probably would go A-Rod. We talk about baseball. No, I I hear you, but if you look at being a hitter in baseball. Ken Griffith Jr. got the sweetest swing I've ever seen in my life. It's just one of those things I think at the time of, like, like you say, he's like the Michael Jordan of baseball to us when we were coming up. But if the numbers speak better and who got more rings, A-Rod got more rings too, right? I guess he got one, yeah. He got one.
SPEAKER_00:Ken Griffith Jr. don't got none.
SPEAKER_02:And that's why I go A-Rod. But I don't, I'm gonna tell just the people I don't, why I don't go with championships. You could be the worst player in history, but still have a championship. That's that's that's my that's my all said in that. If you if you look at the number 12 player on the championship roster versus the number 12 player, you know, on a on the team that lost.
SPEAKER_03:Nah, but this is what I'm saying. I don't I don't get in the championships on role players. I don't. Like, but it again.
SPEAKER_02:But how how can you not when you're doing it on when that's your criteria when you've debating on the case? I'm not saying that's my criteria.
SPEAKER_03:I say that's a um well multiplier and enhancer. So if Nick they don't got either one, like let's say they even uh a close, and I say close, like let's say they're close. The person with the championship, I'm gonna bump up, depending on the role they played on the team. Like, I'm not gonna look at a Robert Orr versus uh So look at Robert Orri versus Scotty Pippen. I'm gonna take Scotty Pippen. Robert Orr got more championships. But Scottie Pippen did more than Robert Orr overall. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's why championships is like, ah, I throw that out the way. But see, y'all, um, you got Scotty Pippen with all defense, you got um all-stars, you got uh all NBA with Robert Orri ain't got that. So I wouldn't compare the Robert Orr to Scotty Pippen because Scotty Pippen was a two. Um if you but if you say Robert Orr and Horace Grant, then you can look and have a debate. You see what I'm saying? Of course. Like, but Steve. That's what I'm going with. So you can tip Robert O'Reilly.
SPEAKER_02:See, I can't, I that's why I don't rock with it, because you can't throw championships in there sometimes and don't throw it in there the other time. Uh it depends on the role on the team. I I don't like the depends part. Yeah, but everything's subjective, man. I don't like the defense part. You got to. I don't uh not in my case. Not in my case. Not in my case. That's how you're gonna enhance or you gotta if you got a criteria of putting somebody there, you gotta stick with that criteria through everything. You can't take it out or put it in when you talk about certain people.
SPEAKER_03:No, like I said, it's an enhancer. But like No, but you can't look at it. I'm not saying I'm taking it out. I either gonna add to, you know, either gonna add to or take away any. So then if you got Scottie Pippen, Robadore.
SPEAKER_02:But Robert Ori got the most championships. Why doesn't that?
SPEAKER_03:Wait, wait, wait, wait. The championship not my only barometer. You only looking at championships on the barometer. I'm saying, no, that's an enhancer. Why doesn't it enhance Robert Ori in that situation? It does, because you got them in the conversation, but Scotty Pippen got six rings, all NBA teams, all stars, Robert Ori has none of that. So what is it enhancing? Huh? So what is it? My argument. Because I can say, look, okay, you got Robert Ori with separate.
SPEAKER_02:Robadore played a major role on three different teams to get those seven championships.
SPEAKER_03:So my question to you, instead of Scottie Pippen, what would you say, Robert Ora, Horge Grant? Robadora. I'm still going with Robadora. And see, when I looked at it, I would go with Horge Grant.
SPEAKER_02:I'm going, and when you're talking about just the player, I don't I don't fact the in championship. If I'm talking about just the player, I'm still going with Robadore.
SPEAKER_03:I go with Horge Grant.
SPEAKER_02:Nah, ain't no way. Why not? I'm talking about for me. Ain't no way. But why no way? What have what did Horse Break? Pull him up. What did Horse Breck do after he left the Bulls?
SPEAKER_03:He won the championship with the Lakers. He got four chips. And then he took, you know, he went to the championship with Orlando. He was on that Orlando team that went to the championship, then he wouldn't have won the championship with the Lakers. So he did something outside of that. So when we're talking about just not just that, his individual numbers are better than Robert Orris as well. Well, you're talking about just talent. You take a horse red over Robodora? Like I said, I'm just asking the question.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:That's the I wouldn't do that. What I'm telling you is Horace Grant numbers were better than Robert Orris. Now, what would elevate Robert Orr, they were close. I would put our Robert Orri above because of the championships and everything else. Look it up. I mean, I'm I I can, but I'm I'm just talking about me personally.
SPEAKER_02:Everybody's entitled to their appearance.
SPEAKER_03:And then again, the role Horse Grant played where Horace Grant was number three on his championship team, where Robert Orr was probably five, six on his championship team. You ain't never thought Robert Orr was the three the number three option on either any of his championship teams. That's true, but see that that's what my that's my whole argument.
SPEAKER_02:But I won't take it away from him just because of what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03:I'm not saying I'm taking it away from it, but I'm just saying this is what enhanced my argument because if I do, if Horace Grant was a more pivotal part, had better numbers, and again, Robert Orr got seven, horse Grant only got four. So I'm I'm championships are a bit are an enhancer to me, but they don't necessarily mean that's the only thing I'm going by.
SPEAKER_02:I won't, I won't take, I won't take it away from them just because of what team they was on. Like I won't say somebody like Mitch Richmond wasn't good. He's better than a lot of people, but if you but you can't fault him for being on the Kings.
SPEAKER_03:No, but this is what I'm saying. Mitch Richmond and Clyde Dretzler, right? Who would you pick? I'm going Clyde. And see, and to me, they they very similar, but Clyde would get the nod because he got the championship. That's the enhancer to me. I don't even count Clyde championship.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, again, I don't even count championships. But when I say talent, talent versus talent, I'm going with Clyde.
SPEAKER_03:And see, I Mitch Richmond up there, because I'm going with Clyde. And I'm gonna pick Clyde. Again, the difference with that one is it's a championship to me.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I don't. Because like I said, you can you can you can have somebody uh with multiple championships, but they didn't play, you know, that's what I'm saying. They just got they just were fortunate to be on a team.
SPEAKER_03:No, but that's what I'm saying. I'm looking at the role they played on the championship team. I'm not gonna sit here and count on Nick Young Green is something that's gonna put him above somebody. No. But um I look at uh Draymond Green, right? I don't think he's better than a lot of people, but again, because he got championships, it's gonna enhance. And again, my question to you, and it's just a defensive person now. Defensive question. Would you rather have Ben Wallace or or Draymond Green? I would probably go with Ben Wallace. That's my whole point. But see, if you go historical, who gonna people gonna say Draymond Green better than Ben Wallace and not he won how many defensive players of the year? Ben Wallace? Yeah, he won four. Yeah, I think Draymond got what, one or two? I don't know. But see, that's what I'm saying. Like I look at the individual Ben Wallace individually, to me, better than Draymond Green. But people will hit rank Draymond Green higher because of the championship. Like I said, that's an enhancer, not the main reason. I wouldn't. I'm just talking about me. I don't know. Yeah, you ask me why I picked I'm telling you the same thing. I picked Ben Wallace, but if you look at people, listen to it, man. I don't have championships as an enhancer, not a definitive thing. No, I don't do that. That enhances your story, that enhances your resume, but it don't take away from what you're doing.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:You know, that's just where we differ at. Because I where we differ at, excuse me, because I don't you know, we we talk about the Michael Jordan, well, people talk, I don't talk about that. Michael Jordan versus LeBron debate. I'm gonna go with LeBron, I mean uh Michael Jordan all day, but it ain't because he got six championships. That's all I'm saying. Because people people negate Michael Jordan's career after the Bulls. People people take that, the people don't count that. But why can't you why can't you count him in his 40s, but you don't count LeBron in his 40s?
SPEAKER_03:And see, and with that argument, with that argument, right? Michael Jordan, LeBron James, I will pick LeBron James again based off numbers and everything else. But those championships enhance Jordan's. But but when you're talking about better player, who you think is the better player? See, with his positions, man, they play different positions.
SPEAKER_02:Who do you think is the who are you taking on your team first? LeBron.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. I'm taking Mike. LeBron Dumore. That's that's my that you asked me a question. Yeah. Again, if you ask you a little more exciting to watch, I think I think Michael Jordan is more exciting to watch.
SPEAKER_02:I don't like but talking about stats. When somebody asking me who I like better, it ain't got nothing to do with no stats, no whatever. It's about who I think is the better player. I see it's two for a while. I'm going with uh not for me.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, see, again, I look at things from different lenses, man, because you can you can't look at, and I say this with Michael Jordan and LeBron James, right? One-on-one, it'll be tough because it's different skill sets. But you ask me who I'm starting a team with, I'm starting with LeBron. It ain't got to be a team. I'm talking about one-on-one.
SPEAKER_02:One-on-one? Who you think is the better player? That's all I ask. Who you think is the better player player player?
SPEAKER_03:If they play one-on-one, I think LeBron got a chance of winning. Is he gonna win? Not do he have a chance.
SPEAKER_02:Is he gonna win?
SPEAKER_03:I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:That's all I'm saying. Who's gonna win? I don't know. Who do you think will win? If you had to take a bet. See, your life depends on who wins this game. Who you going with? I'm gonna go with LeBron James. Okay. That's all I ask. That's all I asked. I'm gonna go with LeBron James. Yeah, throw out the stats, throw it by, throw out the championships, go by what you've seen with your own eyes.
SPEAKER_03:6'9, 260 versus 6'8, 250.
SPEAKER_02:And you can't argue that. You can't argue it. I don't think that there's a right or wrong answer. I'm just telling you who I prefer.
SPEAKER_03:Ain't nothing wrong with that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So that's uh, yeah, that was about six. So uh that was like again, that was just something that I seen, you know, you you sit in the barbershops and sit at work and you hear people and they throw this in. But when you talk about the other person, they throw this in. Uh big thing that I've seen um, it was the Alan Irison versus it was somebody. But I remember Alan Iverson was the one name, and it was like Alan Iverson do this and that to the person on when he got the ball. So my homeboy might ask, okay, so what Alan Iverson is gonna do when the other person got the ball. Yeah, like people feared the fact that that didn't be like. He gotta play defense. Like, yeah, he still gotta play defense too. He gotta play defense. Like, that's what people always like there's two sides of every story. Yeah, so you know, people always want to throw out the numbers and put a championship in there and don't put it in for that person, or don't understand that, okay, this person's last two, three years, he wasn't doing that. Or he, you know, everybody knew he was just playing to go ahead and get the rest of his money. Or the case with Ken Griffith Jr., how many years that man got hurt? Like he'd have gone way past Erod in them stats if he didn't get hurt.
SPEAKER_03:I think Ken Griffith Jr. got hurt like three years straight. I look at Ken Griffey like I look at Grant Hill. If Grant Hill don't get hurt, what are you talking about? Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. So you can get the same board.
SPEAKER_02:You gotta put a lot of that, those things in mind. But see, that's why I put everything in play. At the same time, I like to talk about what you see, what I've seen. Things happen. I've heard older people say, man, Lynn Bias wouldn't would have killed Michael Jordan. He was way better than Michael Jordan. So my rebuttal, and this is no disrespect to this man and his family, is it Michael Jordan's fault? He wore no coat. Like correct. He didn't look up the right way. Like if you want to throw everything in there, throw your lifestyle. Like if you want to throw everything in there, so you know that that's just one of the debates, man. I like to go by what I see, what I see in front of me, man. Because sometimes the numbers can lie. Sometimes, and you know, I know when LeBron retires, people are gonna say, Well, he played 25 years, and you know, who stopped everybody else from doing it? If if if if exactly so you you taking it away from this man because he took care of his body, and you know, talk about what you see. Yep. Talk about what you see. Is it his fault that Michael Jordan didn't play, you know, he retired twice?
SPEAKER_04:Nope.
SPEAKER_02:Is it that's not his fault? Okay, take care, he needed take care of his body. Boom. So that went up on LeBron then. If we want to throw everything in, like that's why I look at whole. But that's why I try not to throw all that in there, man. I look at everything. I just go by what I've seen on the court because there are there are certain factors that you know sometimes you can't help it. Like Ken Griffith Jr. Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway. You can't help you get hurt. Now, if you just out here big fat sloppy ain't working out, then okay. But I'm not gonna put that on them. But if you just saying, man, this man had I think Ken Griffith Jr. got hurt four years in a row off of like serious, you know. Injuries, yeah. Yeah, so it's like type stuff. And then you had the baseball strike and all that. You can say, well, Ari's season didn't get cut short, or he, you know, you can throw all that in there. Then we'll be here all day talking about stuff if, you know, when that that happens. So yeah, man, that's my pick six, man. That's you know, a lot of a lot of things, you know. I I like doing those blind stats. Because you get a different answer when you just throw out stats and don't know the name.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but see, I again that's it that numbers don't lie. That's what I did. That's what it was on record.
SPEAKER_02:You can debate whatever you want to from that, but I'm But if you throw out the numbers, it might lie. If you're just throwing out just numbers.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but um some stuff missing. No, no, no. When I say some stuff missing, like how many years?
SPEAKER_02:When you look at basketball, when the majority of people look at basketball, I say majority. Um, first thing they want to see when they see a stat line, how many points he had. That's usually what it is. Of course, maybe depending on the position or whatever, who the person is, but when you just casually watching basketball, first stat line, first stat line that any uh statistician is gonna show, first stat line the commentator is gonna talk about is how many points this person has.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, um, blocks. That's what it's gonna be.
SPEAKER_02:So, and we all know in sports there are plenty of things that impact the game that don't store show up in the stat sheet.
SPEAKER_03:So um, one thing I just thought about is Eddie Fogler when he coached at South Carolina. One of the things he um would mark down in practice that's not gonna show up on any stat sheet was deflections. Yep, deflections, charges. He count defections.
SPEAKER_02:Deflections, charges. Yeah, he count deflections as a half a steel. I do that. I do that. I do that now. Deflections and charges. That's that's definitely a thing that impacts the game. All right, man. But that's all I got, man.
SPEAKER_03:What you got in closing? Um, in closing, man, just um, again, a great week coming up. Again, excited about homecoming. Um, the fall, just the fall season, man. From here on out for the next 47 days or something like that, we got a college NFL football game every night. I saw that earlier, so you know, check it out. But just enjoying the fall season, man. I used to be a summer bunny, but now fall has become my favorite season. I've always been a fall person. I wouldn't always. But see, the holidays coming up, you got the Halloween, which is fun. You got Thanksgiving for the family.
SPEAKER_02:The latter part of the year is always my favorite, man. Always, man. I love it. It's it's time for family, it's time for fun, football. You gotta throw football in there. I don't care. Football makes in the United States go around.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and basketball starting, hockey starting, baseball championship going on, like it's the best time in sports.
SPEAKER_02:Best time. Yeah, man. Yeah, um, other than that, it's still homecoming season, man. Uh I got a few or more. You know, I got about three weeks to let my hair down before my season starts. So hey, I look forward to it, man.
SPEAKER_03:Um be in effect. Hey, um, what what's my quote of tonight, man? I I saw this and I thought it it comes from Maximus. What you do in this life will echo for eternity. So remember, take mind of what you do. So what you do in this life will echo for eternity, man. So make good decisions and embrace the great things that you do, and hopefully that it rain in eternity. We out. Yep.