Ep. 202 | Caitlin Clark, Congress & the Media Narrative Shaping the WNBA

This week, the Aunties celebrate Jen's birthday by reflecting on nearly two decades of friendship before diving into one of the biggest questions in sports today: who gets to control the narrative?

From the reported altercation between Bam Adebayo and Tyler Herro to the ongoing conversations surrounding Caitlin Clark, the WNBA, and political involvement in sports, the Aunties unpack how athletes become heroes, villains, and everything in between. They also discuss Candace Parker's recent commentary, Olivia Miles' impressive rookie season, Summer League standouts, LeBron James' future, and the growing tension between athletes and traditional sports media following the latest back-and-forth between Jaylen Brown and Stephen A. Smith.

At the intersection of sports, business, and culture, this episode explores how media, branding, politics, and public perception increasingly shape the games we watch.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Artist Talk Sports.

SPEAKER_03 0:02

I'm KB. The courts of Indiana raise me, Detroit pays me, and I know ball both on and off the court, so don't underestimate me.

SPEAKER_00 0:11

And I'm Jen. Financial statements, I know how to read them. Fantasy sports, I know how to play them. Tough calls, I know how to make them. Whether you're heading home, headed to happy hour, or just getting ready for another weekend of sports, we've got you covered with the biggest stories, the hottest takes, plenty of laughs, and just enough friendly debate.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

From Detroit to the national stage, if it's worth talking about, we're talking about it.

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So grab your favorite drink, pull up a chair, because this is your sports happy hour.

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Two aunties, two mics, all gay.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

What up? Yes, it's my birthday. It is. What does it sound vintage?

SPEAKER_03 1:11

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

Yes. Yes. You know, I like that vintage. You know, uh, you know, Dion Cole calls a woman of a certain age vintage. And I like Dion Cole. You know the comedian. Dion Cole, I I like him.

SPEAKER_03 1:26

Dion Cole. Yes, Dion. Yes, Dion is absolutely, absolutely crazy. This is so funny because last week I watched a little episode of him, and I think he was on all the smoke. And so he was at uh the Roots Festival in Philly, and he was the MC, but he wasn't supposed to be introducing Jay-Z. They had told him, like, Jay-Z has his own package, so you just need to introduce everybody else. But he was like, I I gotta take, I gotta take this opportunity. Like, I'm leaving here with something. And so he was like, I just decided that I was gonna go ahead and introduce Jay-Z. And he was like, they was going crazy, but yes, he uh it's vintage something else. Uh, so we're gonna keep it G.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

So he did the diesel. I'm leaving here with something.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

That's right. I'm leaving here with something. But um, yes, happy birthday, Jen. Thank you. Thank you. You we uh well, Jen is a cancer, I'm a Leo, so we got that that July energy, but uh so happy, of course, to know you and for our friendship and for us finally after so many years of moving forward uh with our vision to get Auntie's Talk Sports uh out there to the world. So what a way to celebrate today.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Thank you, thank you. We have known each other for at least 18 years, over 18 years now, almost 20 years. I was a baby. You know, I hadn't, I hit, I hadn't even hit the real milestone birthdays yet. And I was, you know, so you know, I was transitioning into a new career when I met you, and I was just going through, you know, life changes and stuff, and the stuff, the things that I've learned over the years and the way that you know I've grown and our conversations have have evolved, and but they always came back to sports.

SPEAKER_03 3:28

So you know, yeah. Yeah, that's funny. So uh you because when I met you, you were transitioning into accounting, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:39

I was transitioning from for-profit accounting into non-profit accounting. So I I was learning a whole new skill that um you know required a lot. And I had been uh laid off, and and so I was coming in like traumatized, like, okay, I gotta figure out my life. So it was it was it was you know, you were you were a steady force in my life at that time. And so I you know, time flies, and we talk we've been talking about doing a podcast for years, and we finally, finally did it. So that was, you know, yeah. Um here we are.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

Now that's uh funny because today as I was preparing, I was thinking too about I was like, when when was the first time that I met Jen? So I we shared a little bit of our story on social media, but Jen and I worked together at a nonprofit. So I uh was living in Ann Arbor, Michigan, had graduated from the University of Michigan with my master's degree and moved to Detroit. But prior to me moving to the city, I was interning for a nonprofit. And uh, you know, I only worked a couple of days a week. And I remember the first day Jen came into the office and I met her because she had on a suit. And I was like, I don't really have on no suit. I'm like, I'm just a little intern, but always about business. I was like, Jen is about her business because she was handling the money, right? And so she was the person that you had to turn in your invoices to, that you had, you know, if you wanted a contract or anything, she was handling the money. So I was like, she's serious. Because if you're handling the money in an organization, you are trustworthy and you gotta be serious. And uh I ended up staying on board after graduation and coming on full time, and so that really solidified our friendship. And you were one of the first people that had talked to me just about I would say professional development, but also building a network. Do you remember? Uh, I think it was Detroit Young Professionals, and you had uh sent me the invitation, they were launching, and so that's really how the aunties came to be. We worked together, talked about sports, and I think that first year the wings won the Stanley Cup. Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_00 6:04

Yeah, uh, everybody reminds me of the parade, and that we were, we were, so we were downtown, and I was, I never wanted to work downtown. I always thought downtown was full of one-way streets that I was gonna have to navigate. And it I just overthink everything, right? I'm paying to overthink, so I can't turn it off, right? So I didn't want to work downtown, but uh so me coming in in a suit, I thought everybody wore a suit, and then when I saw how everybody was dressing, I was like, I'm not wearing no suit no more. You know, because that is not me. I haven't probably worn one since no, I'm just kidding. But I remember that the Red Wings. So I started March 5th, 2008. So remember the Red Wings were uh went in their Stanley Cup 20 2007, 2008. So they won one in 2008 too. So that was uh and I was like, oh, I kind of like working downtown. I get to be in the hubbub of the of the um the Stanley Cup, and then we they were working on the uh Final Four that was at um what what where was it at Fort Field, maybe? And yeah, our organization was part of that working on that. I got to go to the Final Four game, and uh it was awesome.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

Yeah, I have a picture someplace. I'm gonna try to find it because I think I was on the corner, I was on Congress and it was after the parade. And I don't know if you were in the picture, but I still have that picture someplace. And you know, I know a lot about a variety of sports, but I do not know hockey. I don't know nothing about hockey. I ain't never been to a hockey game. And Jim was like, come on, you're not, you don't want to go to the parade. And I was like, it's hockey.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

And you were like, no, I don't know anything about hockey, you know. I just knew it was hey, I was in. It was a parade. Detroit won. It was Detroit winning, so I was just like, hey, I know the players, but I don't know, I don't know how the score works or anything. So yeah, but it was a time, it was a time, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:01

And Jim was like, Detroit, they won, and it's a parade. We going. And so I went down there and took some pictures, and I was like, okay, this is pretty cool. But yes, that's how we met and how we discovered that we have a shared love for sports. And uh over the years, we would just talk to each other about sports and long conversations, like we would be on the phone for an hour, two hours talking about sports. And what's hilarious is that I thought that that was common because I grew up in a family of not mostly women, but I grew up in a family where women love sports as well. So I watched football with my mom. My mom was a high school referee. Jen's mom uh told Jen she invented the hook.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

She invented the hook shot they call traveling owners.

SPEAKER_03 8:58

So um, so I always just assumed that women liked sports or women talked about sports. And then I think as I got older, either women would be like, I don't know anything about sports, or they would be like, You definitely know a lot about sports, or sometimes men would be shocked, like you really, you really know what you're talking about. And it's like, yeah, why is that a uh novelty, or why are you so shocked? Um, but I didn't I didn't know that that was so unique. And actually, this past year I was talking to a mom in Jack and Jill, and her daughter is playing Division I soccer. So she had said something to me about sports, and I went off on a tangent. And at the end of the conversation, she said, she was like, Wow, you really can talk a lot about sports. And I was like, Oh, I thought you, I thought we was one and the same. She was like, No, like I just support my child, and so on. And I told her about the podcast. She was like, Yeah, you really need to do that.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

I mean, messed up. Uh, you know, even my family, I thought that was normal too. Even to this day, my family in our group text, we talk about we're talking about sports. You know, they're telling we tell each other when the games are coming on, we, you know, we're we're you know, commentating you know, while the game is on. I thought that was normal. I thought that was normal too. So I've always talked about it. And I up until very recently, um, when I even when I was talking, when I would talk to men about sports, they're like, how do you know so much? And now more women watch sports, and so it's it, you know, it's not a shocker uh as much as it used to be. So I love that.

SPEAKER_03 10:43

And I like the perspective that women bring to sports, you know, and you know, because because Jen and I, it's so funny over the years, we have talked about like Larry Fitzgerald and them tights and them NFL tights or just you know, certain certain things where it's like we are, you know, we appreciate what's happening on the field, but we also appreciate who's on the field just as much. And so that is fun to me because last weekend I was uh it's a woman out there, she's an influencer, but I don't remember her name. But she did a countdown of Zaddies of the World Cup, and so she highlighted all of the fine men and in every single game. That's the type of content I like. I want it all mixed up together. Give it, give it to me all.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

I I won't name any names, but one year, um, I think it was a Super Bowl. You came over to my house to watch, and Larry Fitzgerald was playing, and you all a certain person, and you said, Oh, did you see Larry Fitzgerald? She said, Did I? That booty That was my mama. Okay, I didn't want to say who it was because I didn't want to call you mama out because you know, you know, I need to stay in her good graces, but I'll just say it, it was your mama. Like that's right. That was my mama. Did I? Did you I saw that booty or something else? Like, yeah, we all did. You can't miss it. That's right. You couldn't miss it.

SPEAKER_03 12:15

No, and until this, until this day, my mom is retired and all she wants to do is watch sports. That's it. She'll, you know, hang out, she'll do stuff with her, you know, grandkids, her kids. But what she wants to do is stay at home and watch sports. She wants to watch every NBA game, she wants to watch every NFL game, she's gonna watch Wimbledon, she's gonna watch WNBA, and I'll be like, Mama, can you get the League Pass? Um I'm not buying a League Pass for you. I refuse to buy the League Pass. But speaking of booty, this is one of the things that used to burn me up. So in high school, I played basketball in Indiana, and my mother was a referee. And my mother would actually referee some of my high school games, but more often than not, she was refing games at the boys' club, AAU games. And you know, as a ref, you gotta watch, you know, you gotta wear them tight black pants. And so my mother would be out there refing in tight black pants. And the boys would always say something to me, like, Khalid, that's your mama out there with that big old booty. She refing our game. And I used to be so embarrassed. I would be so, I would be like, Can't can't we just focus on the sports? Can't we just focus on no no? Why why you so ashamed? That's your mama. That I want your mama to ref my game. When your mama go ref my game, and I would be mad. Like, could you please not tuck your shirt in? And she would be like, I'm a ref. I have to tuck my shirt in.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Hey, my mama, mama still has it. Mama still has it. Shey had it there and still has it. Black don't crack unless you smoke it. Okay, so let's go.

SPEAKER_03 14:06

Unless you smoke it, crack then. But uh uh, no, because I know plenty, and this is this is bad. I was about to say I know plenty of crackheads, not plenty, but I definitely know a few, and they skin just as smooth, just as uh blemish-free. So you could even smoke crack and still uh not look like it.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

But um Yeah, I guess so. I guess so.

SPEAKER_03 14:31

Yeah. So this weekend when we were catching up, because yes, we still talk uh when we not record it, and a lot of times we still talk about sports. We had to cut a conversation short because we said we needed to save it for the pod. But we're talking about, of course, what happened between Bam Atabayo and Tyler Hero and kind of the implications of that for the league, but also, you know, where do you draw the line between, you know, being irritated with a colleague or former colleague and then letting that emotion kind of spill over and maybe crossing the line. And so Jen and I had different perspectives on it, but Jen, your thought was what?

SPEAKER_00 15:18

So as far as the story, so let's let's give the background. Did we give all the background? Tyler Hero uh was on this burner card. So he was in Las Vegas. Las Vegas is BAM city because of Asia, okay? That's Asian and BAM city. You can't come, you can't come to my city and not see these hands when you're talking junk too about me. You just can't. You gotta see me on site. You gotta see me. And if it's a punch, it's a punch. Hey, whatever. It is what it is. Um you can't be talking junk. Like, what? What do you what is that? We were teammates. Oh, so were they so my my I want I want to know if they were um battling while they were teammates. Is this something new? Because this I haven't heard this, I don't know. But you can't come to my city and not see these hands if you talk a junk about me.

SPEAKER_03 16:13

Um yeah, I think I think they were cool. So since this, so just for everybody who's listening, bam Idebayo played for the Miami Heat, and it's you know, the man he broke Kobe's single season scoring record last season. Pretty much his, you know, his uh what is it, Rob into his Batman was Tyler Hero. They both played in Kentucky in college. Now they're teammates. Tyler Hero, I think he played, did he play in Marquette? Or no, he played in Kentucky, but he's from the Milwaukee area. And, you know, everybody thought they were cool, but Tyler got traded to the Milwaukee Bucks, and then he had a burner account where he was basically saying that Bam was getting paid too much for the amount of effort that he puts in on the defensive side of the ball. Um, so of course, that went viral. Everybody was talking about it. They're in summer league, and you know, everybody is reporting that Bam put hands on Tyler Hero, that he punched him. Now, my issue is how come we got video of Draymond hitting Jordan Poole, but we ain't got no video of this. I need the video. I want to see the video because I know the video is out there, and I think that would allow people to actually have more of an informed opinion about how bad this is.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

Some of what stays happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. So the video, there will be video, but again, that's Bam City. That's that's kind of his city right now. You know, if you want that video hidden, but you know, it's gonna be hidden. But um we so we touched on you, you you mentioned that Draymond Green. So talk about what Draymond Green said. He he came out and said, uh called out uh Eudannis Hasl. He called out UD, who is the OG of Miami. So played when they won the championships, and you know, he's he's uh retired now. So he's the he's their OG, OG, right? So Draymond Green called him out and said, Oh, you have so much to say when I sucker punched uh Jordan Poole.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

I like Draymond Green, but he, you know, I that was not that was not a sucker punch. That was not a sucker punch. I mean, so I didn't like it either, but that doesn't qualify as a sucker punch because they was.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

Use a sucker if you punch Jordan like that. Use a sucker. And Udannis said he's on some sucker S. So he he called out Udannis and said, Oh, you had so much to say when I did what I did in Golden State, but you're not saying nothing about Bam uh hitting Tyler. And Eudonis came back and said, Oh, I see you on you were on some sucker s four years ago years ago when you punched Jordan Poole, and you on some sucker s now. And you know, you you wanted my uh smoke, here here comes my smoke. And but so I was telling KB, and she said, Yeah, I agree, you know, Draymond should have called him out. I said, so I was so I was thinking, I said, let's table this until today. So here we are. And I said, Here we are. I said, I don't agree with the scenario. So Eudonis is Draymond was was active and he was playing then. And he talked about him hitting his teammate. So what happened? You Eudonis came out and said uh that talked about Draymond hitting Jordan Poole back then. Yeah, he said he can't say anything now. So they're not teammates anymore. Uh uh Tyler Hero and Bam. Tyler and yeah, Tyler and Bam. Okay. And um they're not teammates anymore. They were friends. I don't know if Jordan Poole and Draymond were ever friends, or they really were battling because of contract issues. Like Jordan was was mouthing off about you know the money he was getting versus what Draymond was getting and all that. So, right? Allegedly. I don't know the whole story, but they're not teammates anymore. And Tyler was talking junk, he saw no hands. It doesn't necessarily mean that Eudonis has to come out and say something about it. And he and he's not going to because those are his teammates. I don't remember Steph, I remember Steph Curry coming out and saying we gotta get along, but he didn't admonish Draymond Green like maybe he did. Not but he didn't like go off on them.

SPEAKER_03 21:03

No, no, uh-uh. Yeah. I don't know what to I mean. I think the thing for me is there's I agree, I agree that it was wrong across the board, right? So whether or not it was Tyler Tyler getting hit or Jordan Poole getting hit, I don't think that you should be resorting to violence. But everybody knows I love Draymond Green. Uh Jen got me an autograph a couple years ago from Draymond. So I am a Draymond Green fan. I love the passion, I love what he brings to uh the team. Uh he's like a glue guy, and I love it. I love that. So, but his passion, as we all know, sometimes gets the best of him. He has acknowledged the fact that he was wrong. He was the vet of the team, he was Jordan Poole's OG, which is why I think it was so hurtful for Jordan. And he has shared that, like, you know, Draymond, I would be over his house. Or we would be kicking it. But I also think it's okay for Draymond to say that Eudannis Haslam is hypocritical. My thing is don't try to say that the context is so different, and that's what makes what Bam did okay. But that's what makes what Draymond did wrong. Just say, that's my man. That's my man. I ain't got nothing to say about it because that's my man. This is our team. But don't try to justify what Bam did or don't try to just. Well, yeah, he he just, you know, he just called it out like you had all this smoke for me, but now you're quiet. So I made the mistake of posting on Sports Illustrated, my opinion. And let me tell you, these men on Sports Illustrated on IG is coming for me, okay? What did they say? They everything that's different. Uh you know, Jordan Poole is young, Draymond is old, bam is old, they ain't teammates no more. I mean, I can't cut it off. It's like 400 comments, and I'm like, I need y'all men to like leave me alone. I just be, you know, posting, but I'm not trying to keep the conversation going. But I think at the end of the day, your your colleagues, your colleagues, you work together and you put your hands on a colleague. And one of the so I just feel like that's wrong. That's wrong. You can't put your hands on your colleagues. You just can't, even if you want to.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

I gotta give it to you. You're you're right. I'm gonna tell you though, to put to to tell you what I was thinking. The only reason there they talked about because Draymond has always been the villain. Bam has never been the villain. And so now um, if you come out and and admonish Bam for what he did, for Bam and Tyler, then he becomes a villain. And nobody is ready to see Bam be a villain. That's all that is. It really is all that is. And I'm gonna tell you something. Uh Draymond plays the villain. He remember, see, I'm a bad boys pistons girl. So I I like I like a little villain. Draymond's from Michigan. He he grew up on the bad boys, right? But I'm gonna tell you, you you mentioned that um I got his autograph. Draymond was is one of the nicest athletes I've ever seen in person. He was down in Campus Marshals in Detroit, and um even after he was doing a shoot for ESPN, and after the shoot, he went over and played chess with the old men in the park, and so his villain mask, you know, it it fell to the side, and he's a Spartan, so I didn't really like him, but I like him a lot more now. So yeah, but that that's all it is. He was he's always been portrayed as a villain, and so yeah, it was easy when he punched Jordan Poole, it was easy to come out against him, right? Yeah, and it was easy for Eudonis Haslam to pile on. I don't I what I don't think is right is for Eudonis to to have even piled on him. Yes, it is hypocritical now that he's not saying anything about BAM, but he never he shouldn't have said anything about Draymond back then.

SPEAKER_03 25:42

Well the thing is that's every team need and team on teams, yeah. Every team needs an enforcer, right? Yeah, you know, you I I love I was uh I think it was a conversation maybe between is it Alvarez who played with the Knicks this season with Alvarez and Melo, Jose Alvarez and Melo, and they were just talking about you only got a certain number of spots on the team, right? And so you have to find out what is your competitive advantage, what's going to keep you or put you on the court? Are you an energy guy? So if you if you and Jose is an energy guy, so he was like, I realize that what was gonna get me on the court is being the energy guy. There's some players, right? They're a bucket, right? Everybody knows you put the ball in Steph Curry's hand, he's a bucket. You got your defensive stopper, but to your point, you have to have your enforcer. And so Draymond has been the enforcer for the Warriors. And we talked about this when the Knicks were playing, right? When Victor uh Wimbanyana pushed down Jalen Brunson, then nobody go, right, and help Jalen Brunson up. Then nobody try to smack up, you know, uh Wemby. And so they didn't have that enforcer, right? They couldn't reach him, they would be like, be like jumping up. But but UD was the enforcer for Miami. He's always been the enforcer. And I think that's where why Draymond was mad, because he was like, when you threatened to beat up Jimmy Butler, right, uh in a timeout, like you threaten you threatened to put your hands on Jimmy Butler, that was okay. So enforcer to enforcer, I just feel like UD uh should have, you know, should have understood, but it also just sounds like they have some bad blood, right? That they just they just really don't like each other.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have history, but but but my I really think UD shouldn't have said anything about Draymond. He should have just let them handle that. Let and you know, because if you're like you said, if you're not gonna say it about everybody, so I agree with you. I'm I'm coming back around, I'm coming around. I'm I'm you know, I I I can commit when I might be a little wrong, you know.

SPEAKER_03 28:02

But but what yeah, but but you know, I was thinking, uh, you know, as a parent, so I have two daughters, I have a 15-year-old and I have an eight-year-old. And someone said something that I think is applicable, right, to parenting or gym with your nieces and your nephews, is that uh Jordan Poole didn't have any situational awareness in that instance. And it also sounds like Tyler Hero didn't have any situational awareness. Because if you are talking smack to somebody and then you put your hands on them like Jordan Poole did, you should be expecting that they're going to put their hands on you back, right? So people were just would saying to Jordan Poole, like, you should have never touched Draymond Green. And so I think about that with my kids, you know what I'm saying? Like, yes, you want them to be mature, you want them to be able to use their words, but there's been times when I've been like, look, don't let nobody put their hands on you. You know, or if somebody put their hand, you know, or if somebody put their hands on you, you you're gonna have to protect yourself, right? So just like Tyler Hero, you were out here talking trash. So when you saw Bam, you should have kept 50 feet. You shouldn't have allowed him to even get close enough to smack you or punch you or smush you, whatever he did. You was too close.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

But you know, I I go back to you said that they were teammates in college, teammates in the pros. They have a long history, and and I, you know, I hadn't heard that they weren't friends, and that's the thing. That's the only thing I was saying. Like, I felt like the situation was different. Um, Draymond was a lot older than you know, in basketball years than Jordan Poole. So they weren't friends, they didn't come up in the league together, they didn't come up as teammates or you know. So I I felt like the that like it wasn't really apples to apples. Now it was apples to apples that UD didn't say anything about uh that situation. So that is the only comparison. But the the the fights were to me a little bit different in that. Yeah, yeah. I thought the relationships were different. So I'm less surprised about Draymond hitting Jordan than I am about Bam and Tyler. Tyler talked junk about Bam and then Bam hitting him.

SPEAKER_03 30:36

So yeah, I mean, what do they say? Like you shouldn't be out here counting anybody's money. You know what I'm saying? So I think that's where Tyler crossed the line, right? You're getting it out, everybody knows you're salty from going from Miami to Milwaukee. Let's be real, right? So you were just in your feelings, but uh speaking of so I thought we could now transition into talking about Caitlin Clark and Congress. Do you want to go there?

SPEAKER_00 31:08

Yes. Congress, a member of Congress issued a letter to a letter to the WBA saying that they need to be mindful of the violence against Caitlin Clark, uh, the damsel in distress. This is where I talk about politics mixing with sports. There was a time, you know, when when uh sports figures would speak up and they say, shut up and dribble, right? They told LeBron to shut up and dribble. So if they're shutting up and dribbling, then why is Congress coming to intervene now? Like either you, you know, they told they said don't talk about politics, you know, stay out of politics and just play your sports. So now politicians want to interfere with sports. Um I love that they've given Caitlin Clark a couple of nicknames, and one of them is Confederate Clark and Caitlin Congress or Congress Caitlin. And it's true. Um when Caitlin Clark was drafted, I tried my best to like her and say, you know, I'm a kumbaya person. I just want everybody to get along, you know, blah, blah, blah. You know, they can, you know, I'm over that. I'm over that. Number one, she doesn't speak up enough. Um, she you said it best, KB. You said in our conversations, you know, she never named racism. She never names what it is that she has a problem with them using her platform for. That's number one. Number two, last night she did the worst flop. This is Caitlin Clark, did the worst flop like way after the fact. And I'm just tired of that. I'm tired of the flops, I'm tired of the rants and raves and clapping and all. It it just looks crazy. It looks like she's still in high school or college, and and it was great from college and up until college, but everybody's over that now. And you've got people using you again to, and it's really just talking about to me, it's talking about a lot of the black women that you know, saying that they're jealous of her and they should be thinking they're lucky stars, that she's even in the league. Caitlin Clark is not even the best player on her team. They get got mad because she was ranked the number 11 uh guard in the in the NBA WNBA. She's not even the best guard on her team. That is Kelsey Mitchell. And unfortunately, Kelsey Mitchell, you know, is so humble. She lets her game speak for itself, right? But she she doesn't come out and say, you know, this is my team. That that should be her team. She's and and Aaliyah Boston is a close second. But I think Kelsey Mitchell and Aaliyah Boston are like Boston are like neck and neck as the best players of those teams. And I'm just tired of all of the narrative. And another thing, uh every fever game, maybe except a couple, have been on national tele have been nationally televised games, meaning NBC or uh ESPN or CBS. Um, and then all the other teams in the league get crunched into you know competing games on the league, WNBA league pass. It is so obvious that the WNBA caters to Indiana because of Caitlin Clark. It's disgusting. I'm tired of it. It's obvious. And with Congress now intervening in the sport, the WNBA has not said a word, a word that I can that I see. Maybe I missed something, but they haven't said anything about it.

SPEAKER_03 35:22

Yeah, the fever that the fever did, though. They came out to say that they didn't request any sort of intervention by Congress. So it was actually a group of 11 Republican lawmakers, uh, which were led by a contingent of congressmen in Indiana. Now, I keep telling y'all I'm from Indiana, and I assume that you all know what that means, but the reality is telling me because I I I didn't, I was shocked.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

Um I shouldn't have been, but I was. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 35:53

Yeah, I mean, I I left Indiana when I was 17. I think I had turned 18 by a month and I left. Why? Because Indiana is very much a monolith. Uh over the years, we because of immigration and just, you know, people moving to the state, it's become more diverse. But when I was there in uh, you know, the 70s, the 80s, and 90s, it is a predominantly white state. But more than that, right, the the racism was very much palatable. People will say that Indiana was kind of like a southern state that was just pushed into the Midwest. And so I grew up the first time that I heard the N-word literally was in fourth grade, right, by a classmate who said that he was talking about the Niger River. And what was crazy about that is I was at a private Christian school. So that was in elementary school. When I got to high school and we, you know, I played basketball and we would play some smaller towns. We were accustomed in the 90s to hearing people say the N-word, right? When we would leave our basketball games, right? Those little communities uh, you know, outside of Indianapolis. And then the other thing was I grew up hearing classmates be communicate very clearly, like about race. And it usually would go something like this. Kalia, I have a uh slummer party or a birthday party at my house, but my parents said we can be school friends, but they don't want any black people coming to my house, coming to our house. Very, very clear, right? That was like in elementary middle school. Then when I got to high school, I had classmates who would be like, oh, my parents are fine with me having black friends. They just don't want me to date black boys, right? So when I moved to Michigan, I was like, How y'all do y'all racism here in Michigan? Because in Indiana, right? It was just very clear and people would communicate where they were. I remember playing AAU basketball, and I had um a woman, her daughter played on the team. She came up to me and a couple of other teammates and said, Oh, I need you all, I just wanted to pull you all aside before you came in the house. And I was like, Okay, what's up? She was like, I collect mammies. I was like, what? She was like, I'm I'm not racist, but I just want you all to know that I got these mammies in my house. And so I was confused because I was like, why are you collecting these little dolls of black folks? Like, I'm black.

SPEAKER_00 38:41

How do you know? How do you know where to go buy mammies? Like, what? Like, what you collect okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

She collected them. So imagine you got an AU team, it's mostly black girls come into your your daughter's house, and you got all these little black caricatures up, right, of domestics in your house. So that was the environment in some ways that I grew up in in Indiana. People being very upfront, very honest, and very transparent about their racism. So it does not surprise me at all, at all, right, that Caitlin has found a cult following of people in Indiana. And it doesn't surprise me at all that this, these congressmen in Indiana are trying to make her, right, this hero for the state. I do think it's misplaced, and I think ultimately it is going to, I think it's going to backfire on her because the WNBA's brand is built on being inclusive. But apart from Caitlin, Kathy, uh Engelbert, I don't, I think her days are numbered as a commissioner for the WNBA. I don't think they should be.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Yeah, players don't like her. So so you said that Indiana, the fever, responded and said, we didn't call for that. But did they say did they did they say it was wrong? Did they say this is wrong on all levels?

SPEAKER_03 40:17

So if until they say that, yeah, I think here I'm gonna I'm gonna pull it up. I think what they said they have yeah, I think they said something to the extent that we continue to advocate for the WNBA uh being more consistent and the officiating and ensuring a safe and biplaying environment for all players. So they just tried to, I think, generalize it. But this is the thing Congress needs to stick to the business at hand. We are currently in a war.

unknown 40:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:52

We got uh, and these are these are Republicans, so I I feel okay to say you got you have one senator who just passed away and one who hasn't been seen in office in in a couple of months and and propping them up in the hospital bed. Y'all have we have bigger fish to fry. We have bigger fish to fry because y'all are in the um majority or or um we got we got issues. And it ain't it ain't Caitlin Clark, okay?

SPEAKER_03 41:20

Yes, that's that's why I you know it's it's a little bit misplaced, but I think more importantly, this is really about trying to cultivate a deep sense of loyalty, right, from a certain demographic. Yeah. So so Indiana's population is about 7 million people. About 81% of that population self-identifies as white or Caucasian. We got about 10% black, African American, another 10% Hispanic, Latino, and then about 4% that are consider themselves to be biracial, and then 2% that are Asian. So when when my family, when we leave Detroit and we go to Indiana, you know, we go to my hometown, my kids are shocked. They like, you grew up here? And I'm like, yes, which is why I have such a love and appreciation for Detroit, because I didn't grow up in a chocolate city. But that's why I said Caitlin has found a team and a state that is embracing not just who she is as a player, but this narrative around her being a white woman who needs protecting, who is fragile despite the way in which she shows up and the way in which she stokes the flames.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

Yep, I agree. I agree. It's it's disgusting, and I'm over it. It's it's look, it's been three years. This is the third year that, and actually, more than that, because even when she was at Iowa, you know, she was still doing that same stuff, and she hasn't won anything, she hasn't won any championship on any level that I know of. Um, I don't know what she did in her childhood, but stop, stop, let you know just play. And but the fact that she's I I the the part that I don't like is that she she just lets the narrative play and and she talks around it. And I just if you're talking, if you're using my platform for that, I I can't let you. I can't ever let you. And you know, and sure for the can can we stay on Indiana for one second because I have to talk about this. Um, and you would think that, and and I understand uh, you know, I want to talk about Candace Parker and acting like she played for Indiana. She's co host of a uh uh podcast with Aliah Boston, who's Who plays for Indiana, um, The Fever. And all they do is talk about, you know, they they she was hate, they hated on Angel Reese. They should have never mentioned Angel Reese's name on a on their podcast, knowing that they were using Angel Reese's name to get their audience to, you know, to have ratings. So it was like their first episode last year. This year, they they're talking about all uh, you know, talking, always talking about controversial topics. Um Candace Parker was you know mad that about you know the the what was her Caitlin Clark's Ray Keen, you know, of course that's Aaliyah Boston's teammate, so she's you know talking about it. Yeah, she's gonna have her back. It comes up as one of the main topics. And Candace Parker is I don't know if she's the president of Adidas Women's Basketball or something like that, but she has a prominent executive position at Adidas. And Sophie Cunningham, who has been titled MAGA Barbie, you know, after the game last night, she went over and hugged Dana White and was chit-chatting with him and laughing. And we all know that they're they're MAGA supporters, and and I can't I don't rock with that, so I don't care. Um Sophie Cunningham gets a player exclusive shoe. So so a player exclusive shoe, like you players can have a signature shoe, which is like the the shoe that Caitlin Clark has or that Angel Reese has. And then there's something called player exclusive where it's like a lesser version of that. Why Sophie Cunningham has a shoe, I have no idea. She let me just let me just so let me just read off some of these stats about Sophie Cunningham, and then we could we could talk a little bit about that. In the league, Sophie Cunningham has never averaged more than 12.6 points per game in a year. She's never averaged more than 4.4 rebounds and 2.1 assists per game in a year. This year she's averaging a whopping 9.6 points and 2.3 rebounds and 1.4 assists. Last year it was 8.6 points, you know, 3.5, 3, 3.5 rebounds and 1.2 assists. What of all the players in the league with way way better statistics, you know, averages and career averages and all that, how the hell did she get a shoe, uh, a shoe deal? I don't get it. And and you know how she got the shoe deal?

SPEAKER_03 46:51

Because Candace Parker is is uh there's the president of women's basketball added.

SPEAKER_00 46:57

Yeah, and Candace Parker is a sellout. She's a sellout. And um Angela Peary, who's uh uh a prominent women's basketball um commentator, she has a strong following. She said it best. She's a sellout. And she, you know, I I I don't even know how strong of a language I could use, but I I when Candace Parker, I used to like her. Um she she's what she's been one of the best WNBA players in the history of the of the league, but man, she has fallen from grace with her just this past year, and and how she's I I and I'm okay with icons coming out and talking about it, but the angle that she's taken is very obvious, and I'm done. It's kind of like I'm done with Caitlin Clark, I'm done with Candace Parker. I I have other legends that that I that I can talk about.

SPEAKER_03 47:59

Yeah, it's uh I think it's a little, I mean, I think it's a dis it's disappointing, obviously, right? People followed uh, you know, I follow Candace from the time she was at, you know, Tennessee, of course, right? She's done awesome things on the court, but I think the the problem that many people have, or the problem that I have, is this narrative that's continually perpetuated about women, predominantly black or queer, black, queer women being jealous of Caitlin Clark. And I think uh I think that's a disservice and it can it adds to the rhetoric, to the narrative, and it also has more dangerous implications for the black women and the whether they're straight or queer in the WNBA, because they're getting the death threats. And so as a black queer woman, Candace should understand right the weight of her comments a little bit more because that's her demographic. And you know, beyond politics, you're a black woman, you are, you know, you're gay, you're a lesbian, and so you should understand, right, what the fell your fellow members of the community are speaking out about. So I'm disappointed for that reason because you are perpetuating a narrative that ultimately can lead to some players suffering harm, physical harm. I think the other thing that really is frustrating to me is, and you follow the W more than I do, but I think that it's it's especially when it's a player ranking, I think it's fair to say that players think that there are 10 more players that are better than Caitlin Clark at this moment in time. That's not to say that she may not be able to crack that top 10, but I'm not, I don't even follow the W as close as you do. And I feel like I could name 10 players that would be considered better than Caitlin Clark at this particular moment in time, right? And even if you're talking about white guards, people would say that Sabrina is better than Caitlin Clark. People would say, possibly say that Paige Caitlin Clark has yet to play a near full season in the WJ.

SPEAKER_00 50:16

Like, yes. So my a reporter said, Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

No, no, no. People would say that Paige Becker probably is better than Caitlin Clark, right? Uh a number of similarly situated guards, right, who could be better pound for pound in their position. But other people have said that she also needs to bulk up, she needs to get stronger, right? That she's a little bit too weak and she's depending on the whistle, right, to give her the edge up. And I think what kind of changed my perception of that was her daddy. Her daddy, a couple of games ago, told her to shut up, shut your mouth and play.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

Right.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

You know what I'm saying? So you you just because somebody thinks that a play, that 10, they're 10 players better doesn't mean that they're jealous. And that's the same narrative that we saw last year from NBA players. And so I think at the end of the day, Candace is a woman, but she's still uh perpetuating and parodying and probably still has some of the same beliefs as men. Right, and and that's that's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_00 51:29

Which is which is unfortunate because she has a daughter who's who's uh an athlete. Uh she plays volleyball, I believe. And and uh it's it's amazing that that's the you know what she's teaching her in you know at home and in you know in her speaking in public. That's what your daughter is seeing. And that's what I I think about that, you know. Um people she has a platform and is just using it the wrong way all the time, yeah. You know, using it for clicks. Candace, you don't have to, you don't have to get clicks. You you are in a a legend. Like you don't need to get those clicks like that.

SPEAKER_03 52:15

So Yeah. And I also want to say uh Aaliyah Boston, you don't have to be the mule for Caitlin Clark, right? It it irritates me that people are looking to Aaliyah Boston to always have Caitlin Clark's back, to always be the one to say, oh, she's a good person, or oh, she's a great teammate. That's not your responsibility, that's not your duty, that's not your ministry, right? You are there, uh a highly regarded player. You won a championship yourself. She should be able to stand on her own merit and not have to feel like she has to be a bigger ally to Caitlin than Caitlin is for her or for the other black players on the team. And I think that is the narrative that I hope that we get to the true narrative that I hope Diwana Bonner and Alisa and Alyssa Thomas actually tell us about. Like what happened to Dwana Bonner when she was at the fever. That's what I want to know. Because it's more than what meets the eye here.

SPEAKER_00 53:21

Yeah, they have a WNBA uh documentary coming up. I think it's on the July 24th at Dwana Bonner's in. And I wonder if they go behind the scenes of some of that. Um uh ESPN radio personality, Harry Douglas. Harry Douglas used to play in the NFL. Um he said, and I quote, I'm sorry to say it, folks, but everything we expected Caitlin Clark to be, Paige Becker's has been in the WNBA. You you heard it from me. And I agree with that.

SPEAKER_03 53:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And uh Paige just keeps her head down and she goes to work. Uh, and speaking of who else is going to work is Olivia. Olivia Miles Olivia Miles. That's right. You know, that's my that's my middle name, Olivia. So I had to give her a shout out. She's a joy, she's a joy to watch. She's a joy to watch.

SPEAKER_00 54:20

Yeah, yeah, she's exciting. She breathes new, um breathes new life into the the uh WNBA. You know, it's it's it's um special that she's on the Minnesota Lynx. So at the beginning of the season, people didn't know what to expect because the Fecia Coller, the Fisa Collier is out, has been out with an injury all year. So they were expecting the Lynx to, you know, kind of coast or you know, maybe maybe you know not be as good as they are. She came in and was like, you know, here I am. And the players on the team embraced her and they're like, hey, that that's less work I have to do. That you know, creates longevity. They know that there's space for all of them on the team, they're all needed. You know, she is still a rookie, so if she has her rookie moments, um, you know, somebody else can step up and and and pick up the slack. So it's been really fun to see her. Um she she said it at the draft, you know. She said, I have the highest basketball IQ, and and she's proven it. And I will say that again, I think I touched on this uh before. Coach Cheryl Reeve is the real deal. She's she was uh an assistant coach at for the Detroit Shock back in the day. So um, you know, I I've followed her for many, many years, but she is a coach that can evaluate talent. Um, she didn't mind when uh you know uh Olivia Miles fell to number two and they scooped her up. And she knows how to coach, she knows how to put the right mix of players on the floor. So it's been great that Olivia Miles has been able to shine the way she has. It's been great.

SPEAKER_03 56:16

Yeah. And so she's the leading candidate for rookie of the year. She's been the fastest player in WNBA history to reach 350 points, 100 rebounds, and 100 assists. Um, and you know, I don't I don't mind that she was taken number two, right? But is probably going to win rookie of the year. I think everybody knew that the wings were going to try to get AZ Food to Dallas. Uh, I don't feel like that takes away AZ Food's, you know, impact in her first year, but everybody knew that that was coming to really reunite her with her teammate, right? And maybe still girlfriend or not girlfriend is interesting because they've decided not to talk. That's not to. I know they've decided not to talk about their personal relationship anymore, but uh they've been so stealthy about it, you just don't know if they're still seeing each other or not. But I love the fact that Olivia Miles is kind of an old school player with the, you know, the glasses, not wearing the contact. So it's been it's been great. Um, and I think at the end of the day, that's what people want to see when you talk about expansion and quality product. People want to see women basketball players operate at a high level without all of the drama and the controversy and the politics.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

Right, right. Yeah. I I love it. I love it when I like I love feel good stories, right? Um, and that that's that's one of those. That was a you know, we didn't know what to expect, you know, with the draft shaking out the way it is. I, you know, there's a story, I'm not gonna go too deep into it, but Seattle couldn't hasn't really, they couldn't really figure out their draft situation and the player mix and all that. But it's great to see um even even AZ Pho, you know, in the beginning of the season, she was struggling and she fought she like one game, it just clicked for her, and and you know, so she she's more comfortable. But Olivia Miles didn't waste any time and she came in guns ablazing, and she, you know, I I love it. I love to see it.

SPEAKER_03 58:31

Yeah. Uh I mean, I think speaking of like young players who are coming in and like making, you know, uh an impact, I've been paying a little bit of attention to again summer league. Cameron Boozer really came in, uh, had a really great run. Um, so you know, I think it's a boy.

SPEAKER_00 58:52

He is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 58:56

So he played against this uh Moraz Johnson the other day, so that was great to see. They they they played in their first summer league uh against each other. So that was great.

SPEAKER_03 59:06

Yeah, and I hope speaking of Draymond, um I hope that Yaxel and Draymond are able, and y'all know so Jen and I are both Wolverines. Uh we both went to Michigan. We love we love Maze and Blue, we bleed Maze and Blue. We are not Spartan fans in any way. And the rival, the rivalry is real, but I hope for the sake of Yaxel's rookie year that he and Draymond are actually able to kind of turn the page on the rivalry a little bit so that they have an opportunity to really get to know one another, build a healthy relationship, and see what can what can what magic they can happen together. I just don't want to see that narrative uh play out too much over the over this year.

SPEAKER_00 59:59

I want to see if Steve Kerr starts Jaxel because Yaxel came out and said it like he doesn't Steve Kerr doesn't usually start rookies, you know. I'm gonna he kind of called him out. So I want to if they start him, or you know, at some point in the season, I I would love that. I I think um I really want to see him shine. I can't stand the narrative that goes around, oh, he's a grown man, he's already know he should have been in the league, you know, years ago. So he's coming in as a grown man playing against you know rookies and stop it. He is I mean, he just went to a junior college. They are you know people always want to have a narrative anytime, you know, something something doesn't fit into the time something doesn't fit fit into a neat ball and then a neat ball.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:50

Right. I mean, well, that's like that's the reality, right? You could have a a player that's one and done, you know what I'm saying, who comes in and they're 19. And then you could have somebody who decides to go the JUCO route, who decides to take all of their years of eligibility. So they are a more physically mature player. Hopefully they're more mentally and emotionally mature, but don't be mad that somebody decided to use up all of their eligibility and put themselves in the best position to make that transition, and they're going up against 19-year-olds who still need to put on 50 pounds. You know what I'm saying? It's like that used to be the norm, right? Players having to stay and they were just more physically mature, and then, you know, with people being able to come in one and done, that's not the norm anymore. But the NCAA, uh, was it last week or two weeks ago, right? Changed the eligibility requirements. So now you get five years no matter what, right? And it either starts when you turn 19 or whenever you enroll. So I think that means that you can play up until you're 24. It doesn't matter how you put those years together, uh it the the clock starts ticking. Um, but yeah, I just I don't want the Michigan, Michigan State rivalry to poison the team culture. And I do think, going back to how we started the episode, I do think that was a little bit what was at play between Jordan Poole and Draymond Green, right? People at Michigan, especially here within the state, have a perception that, you know, Wolverines are stuck up. And we we can be a little bit, you know what I'm saying, that we are full of ourselves and that Michigan State is, you know, a little bit more for the every man. Um, and I don't feed into that as much. Now I will fill into the baby brother, to the baby brother kind of um, you know, perception. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think they care more about what we think of them than we care about what they think of us, and so that is legitimately the baby brother, but I don't want that to spoil uh the Warriors team culture because everybody knows I'm a Steph Curry fan, and so I would love for Steph to have another run late into the playoffs. I want to see that. Why are you looking like that? You don't think it's gonna happen?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:37

No, um I don't know, I don't think it's gonna happen, but I I mean, yeah. Unless, you know, they were talking about they were gonna create the uh the next um super team. They were saying that they were saying that LeBron and A D were gonna go there, and and that's why Draymond um you know wanted to restructure his agreement, and who knows where LeBron's going. And I'm I'm very interested to see where he's gonna go. Um I don't think I know it's not Cleveland. I he he he doesn't like the owners and well I allegedly. And so I don't know. I it still if he goes to Golden State, then that means Yaxel might not get uh playing time as I yeah, as I like. So I don't know. I I I don't know if I like that anymore. Um I at first I was okay with it. Um people were like, uh if he goes there, but no, it's not like KD. To me, it's not like when KD went there. It this is different, you know. LeBron's on his way out. He's looking, where can I go and win a championship and get out? They were talking about Philly, but then, you know, I don't I who else, I don't know. They would who who would they give up for him or what would they do? I don't know. I don't see Philly, but it'll be interesting to see see where LeBron goes. Yeah, is there gonna be a super another super team in Golden State? That was that's the question I have.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:15

Yeah, I don't I mean, from from my perspective, I don't really know what Philly's offense is. I feel like when they had Paul George, it's a lot of dribbling. When they had James Harden, it's even more dribbling. They're gonna have LeBron. It's gonna, I mean, LeBron passed, but it's gonna be a lot of dribbling. You know, Jalen Brown, he's gonna dribble a lot too. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:38

So I just don't feel uh You dribble pretty.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:43

I just don't feel like it's enough ball for all of those men. It ain't enough balls to go around. Right. It is not enough balls to go around in Philly if LeBron goes there. I mean, I don't hate. LeBron to the Warriors because again, I'm a Steph Curry fan and I feel like they've always wanted to play together. But if he goes to Golden State, I need this to be over with. I need uh the LeBron saga to end in his next team, right? And I was thinking about this. I don't necessarily care for LeBron as a player just because he's not my favorite. Everybody knows that. I feel like he's a prima donna. But I do respect him, right, as a player. And I respect him for a lot of his off-court ventures and his business acumen and the relationships that he's been able to cultivate. And so I'm ready for the post-MBA version of LeBron. Right. Like Magic. Magic had a great career, but now people talk more about Magic as a businessman almost. Right. As much as they talk about him as a player, and I think LeBron is positioned to be the same. I don't think that this is Steph's last season, but I just wouldn't want to draw out this next phase of either one of their careers. Right. If it works out, then everybody is a genius. But if it don't work out, y'all just looking old.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:24

Look, um we we posted about the episode. I think Duan told you that LeBron is the GOAT. And I agree. Okay. So just admit it. He is the GOAT.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:37

No, we're gonna continue to argue about this. My goal, my goat is gonna always be Kobe. I hate the way y'all jump over Kobe and go from Jordan to LeBron. Jump over Kobe. Kobe. Yes, y'all do. Yes, y'all do.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:52

He's not he's not the GOAT.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:54

You have to jump over Kobe if you're saying that LeBron has eclipsed Jordan as the GOAT. Because Kobe wants to have a moment here. But we we're not gonna go back down this this uh this thread because everybody knows I am a certified Kobe person. So my oldest is a thrower, she competes in shop, put discus, weight throw, and we're gonna be on the road for a week on the East Coast for camps. And I'm excited, but I also feel like physically it's gonna be a lot. We fly out to Providence, Rhode Island, and she does like a three or four-day camp there. And then we will take the train into Philly, and so planes, trains, and automobiles. And then from Philly, we will be renting a car and then driving about an hour, an hour and a half uh to Reading, Pennsylvania for a throw's camp. It's a gym there that produced some of the top throwers in the country, and then she'll be there for like another five days. So my first week in August, you know, I'm just trying to take all my vitamins and get my sleep because that is going to be uh a trip for the ages, but trying to support the oldest and chasing her dreams to be a thrower division one in a couple of years. So that's what's on the horizon for the for this auntie.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:23

Okay. Isn't uh reading reading Pennsylvania with Reading Railroad and um Monopoly is I I have I have no idea, okay. I'm I'm a fish out of why was it Monopoly based on the no I think that might be. But yeah, it could be. Yeah, uh so she's she she's got a lot of stuff going on.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:47

These kids have more um more schedules than the adults these days, so they do with maybe we'll maybe in the future, yeah, we'll have to have a guest on to talk about the challenges uh with uh NIL and high school athletes and recruiting. We're just kind of tipping our our toe into the pool and it's overwhelming. It's overwhelming, and I think it's also a lot of opportunity for exploitation, you know. Like for you, we were talking talking to an organization last week, and they're like, oh, we can help, you know, introduce you to coaches and do this and do that. And it's like, okay, well, how much is this? Oh, it's six thousand dollars. Yeah, no, thank you. No, thank you. So but uh yeah, well, until until next week.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:42

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