Jessie G Returns: Motherhood, Music & Her Big 2026 Plans | Ep112

This week on Happy Hour with Deb, we welcome back Jessie G — and this time, we get the full story. 

After a quick interview at Country Radio Seminar last year, Jessie G is back for a full-length conversation, opening up about everything that’s happened since. From life after pregnancy to balancing motherhood and a growing music career, she shares what this season has really looked like behind the scenes.

We dive into the challenges, the growth, and the determination it takes to keep pushing forward — especially in a place like Nashville. Jessie also talks about why 2026 feels like a breakthrough year and what exciting things she has in store as she continues to build momentum.

It’s an honest, inspiring conversation about resilience, balance, and going after your dreams — no matter what season of life you’re in. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Good. Thank you for not being the right door locked door. Like yeah, Karen. Keep your door. Did you just call me Karen?

SPEAKER_03 0:21

Hey, it's Deb. It's Happy Hour Deb. And today, one of my favorite girls in the world, Jesse G, is with me today.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Deb, thank you so much for having me again. Good morning.

SPEAKER_03 0:31

I'm so happy to see you.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

You just made my day so much better.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

Oh my gosh. You can you why don't you do I'll do a ride along, go to work, take Deb to work day. Yes. And I'll take Jesse to work day one day.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Come on tour with me. I would love to go work. Write some songs on the tour bus. It'll be fun.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

Totally. I'm a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Yes. I'm not sure. That's my problem.

SPEAKER_03 0:51

Is that like when everybody else is ready to wrap up, I'm like, let's do this.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Yeah, I mean, I'm down for anything. Absolutely. Doesn't matter what time of day.

SPEAKER_03 0:59

Oh, I know. I love those kind of people. Because I think for a lot of people I'm extra. But I'm like, they're just not my people.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Me too. And you find your people quicker.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

If you're not extra, I don't even need you in my circle. So we have not seen you since the CRS. Yeah. And at the time, you were carrying a baby. I was. And you still look so beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

I love the dark hair. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:23

I love it. You look so you don't even look like you had a baby.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Oh, I love you. I it's been six months, and I don't I still don't feel back to pre-baby self yet. I don't think you ever had one child. Yeah. So I don't think you do either. I think you change and you just become more a mom. Yeah, more awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:40

You're the rock star mom.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

You're so sweet.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

Like, can you imagine when your kids go to school? Can you have a son too?

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Uh I have two daughters. Two daughters. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:48

How's your how old is your other daughter?

SPEAKER_00 1:50

She just turned four on Friday. Yeah. Are you tired? Yeah. I'm very tired. Uh, I just told you I was up feeding my six-month-old every like 45 minutes, pretty much, last night.

SPEAKER_03 2:00

She doesn't sleep through the night?

SPEAKER_00 2:01

No. No. No, my kids are like me. Nope. Uh, Apple doesn't fall far from the trade. Apple hit them in the head. Yeah, they just night owls. Yeah. They sleep on became a yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:11

That's I mean, to me, I'd rather I'm not the morning girl. I don't even want to be.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Yeah, I I wish I was because I'm more fresh in the morning, but like my job takes me out to the wee hours of the night. You're out at night. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:25

You're out at night.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

I don't really have a choice if I want any sleep.

SPEAKER_03 2:28

Congratulations on the kids. Thank you. I'm so happy for you. I saw you on Instagram there. I'm like, they're just good. There's the cutest damn family I've ever seen. How's your hubby?

SPEAKER_00 2:36

He's great. He's loving it. Um, he's really involved in my music too. So we get to take the family on the road with us. And that's just amazing. I don't want to do it any other way. I really don't.

SPEAKER_03 2:46

Oh, totally not. You need your family. Jesse's husband is serving this great nation. We thank him for his amazing. I'm I have, you know, anything.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

He actually got out two years ago. So he's in the civilian world. Uh, it is it's a big transition. So yep. And I think you are you your husband service.

SPEAKER_03 3:09

No, I work with um uh, you know, in my in my my real job. Yeah. Um, I work with a lot of veterans. I work with I have some clients that are deployed right now. Okay. And you'll have to take some Freedom Brew home. Yes. This really cool man named Allen. Yeah. He was, you know, had a job. Yeah. And people like you and I don't know what like a real job feels like. I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_00 3:33

I don't know if I could do that.

SPEAKER_03 3:34

People know what you're doing, Halting. Yeah, I don't think I could do it either. I think I'm not structured enough to have a real job.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

I just feel like I would be like, oh, I'd I could do that better than my boss is doing. Or I don't know. Something like that, which is probably really conceited. I probably shouldn't be.

SPEAKER_03 3:50

The problem is I don't like people telling me what to do.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

I think that's it for me too. And also I'm not, I'm so scatter-brained. Totally. And I'm so spontaneous.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

I swear that's why you and I connected, because I'm like, I'm the walking shit show.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

I am too. I feel like this is perfect for that.

SPEAKER_03 4:06

Oh, totally. So my like, I if my clients and patients never see me with makeup, I roll out of bed, wash my teeth, throw on a base spot, and go.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

Me too. Except for when we do this. I mean, I threw a beanie on, so it's like half makeup. But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:20

Well, you look beautiful. I mean, you were so pregnant last time I saw you.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

I was like sweating pregnant. Um, I know it was a thing.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

I people that carry children are-I mean, I know we get like a mother's day, but that's not enough.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

It's not enough.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

I think once a month there should be like a day of rest.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Yes. We started daycare because I told my husband, I'm like, I would never get any work done because my child's like me. She's just like, go, go, go. She's all over the place. Yeah, she's a lot of work. And so I'm like, she better be a D1A.

SPEAKER_03 4:47

He's like, she's a lot of work. He's like, she's a 10, I'm a two. This is gonna be really hard. She's Buddy the Elf, and I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

And it's like you know, I I love it. That's that's my kind of people.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

I don't think he'd know how to function any other way. Like, he just knows that my entire world is insane. So he's like, I think he's like secretly looking and be like, damn, I want to be part of that craziness too, which is probably what your husband does.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

Yes, I mean, you I feel like they've got to be really strong uh guys that love a strong independent woman.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

Let me tell you, and I think this is for all women, we don't like weak men.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

No. Amen.

SPEAKER_03 5:24

We don't like weak men. Amen.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

I smell it, and I'm like, nope, no way.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

Exactly. I'm like, men are sub and he's still, after all these years, like opening the door and standing on the outside of the road because I'm like, it's his job to make sure I'm safe.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

That's amazing. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

It he's the best. We gotta get together to would like off this. Let's do it. We totally need to do it together.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

Let's get some drinks or totally dinner.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

You and I'll be on a rooftop.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Yeah, we can bring our strong husbands.

SPEAKER_03 5:49

Right, they'll pick up the check and the women off the floor. Are you thinking about more kids?

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Yeah, I want like I want as many as I can have. Yeah, I would I would love that. My husband is not gonna go for that, but I would love it.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

That would be great. That would be amazing.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

But the second one was so much harder on my body than the first one, and I'm getting older, so it's like, you know, I'm not gonna 29 in my world. Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 6:13

Ever.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Well, honestly, too. I mean, I feel like my mom had us, she was done having us by 25 or something. Wow. I know, it's really young. That's just young. Yeah, it's just really young. But I think your body could probably bounce back a little easier. Totally.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

My husband is this is my second marriage.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Thank you, Jesus, for bringing this world, this man in my world. Um, he was a very young father. He had his first child at 22.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

So now he's like a grandpa, you know, but he's like a grandpa rock star.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Because he's still young, and I'm like, that's such a smart way. Like, if you know you want kids, because then one your kids are kind of grown and you can then still have a good time because you're young.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

Totally. And you know, coach them and be active with them and all that. So I'm trying to stay in the best shape of my life as long as I can because of that.

SPEAKER_03 7:01

So you don't want to go on the all-sugar cookie diet with you in January. After this shoot, before this shoot, I was like, all right, that's it. We're gonna tone it down a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

I love that.

SPEAKER_03 7:09

I love this season. I love the foods, the drinks, the parties, the the twinkling lights. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. But I've I calmed it down for the shoot. But the second I get back to Philly, Christmas can be done.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

I actually stopped uh doing processed sugar and put like maple syrup and honey and agave. It's all so good. Like, why why do we not do that in the first place? Because sugar is good. Yeah, sugar is good, you're right. But I fall asleep after I eat it. It's good, I know. Right.

SPEAKER_03 7:37

So and then I wake up with like hard palpitations and I'm like, honey, I don't feel good. He's like, girl, it was the bag of Skittles.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

I made two pumpkin pies for Thanksgiving. Oh my god, and I I noticed the whole one was gone, and then I started breaking into the second one, and my husband's like, I haven't had any yet. Right.

SPEAKER_03 7:54

I was like, bring that up. What are you gunning for me?

SPEAKER_00 7:59

Uh, you know what? I had a baby. I deserve it.

SPEAKER_03 8:02

Absolutely. Uh let's talk some music.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:05

So, what's going on? What's coming out?

SPEAKER_00 8:08

So much is going on. Uh, we released a radio single, a song called Smells Like Whiskey. And it is I heard it. It's doing awesome.

SPEAKER_03 8:14

It's incredible. I can't even believe it. I'm so proud of you that it's doing like it's how's that feeling of like all eyes on you?

SPEAKER_00 8:22

It's incredible. I I did not realize the the especially on the radio side of things, how much everybody just loved the song, is on board. It's climbing the charts. I'm like, it's awesome. It's so awesome.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

And I know they all would you like ever step back and be like this is freaking me?

SPEAKER_00 8:42

I mean, no. I I feel like you know, I'm just living it one crazy moment at a time. That's the only way to do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

I think if you structure it, it's gonna be organized chaos.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

For sure. It is it totally is. And you know, I I'm very appreciative and grateful. I feel like this awesome life is just God gave it to me, so I'm just thank you. Truly blessed. Along for the ride, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:03

Truly blessed. And you're truly just the I loved you at the CRS. I'm like, you're truly the coolest. I'm so happy that all this greatness has been bestowed upon you.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

Well, thank you. And you're part of this greatness. Thank you, so I mean, your podcast has been amazing, and I feel honored to for you to give me that platform. So thank you.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

Oh my gosh, thank you so much. This podcast has meant I I mean, I get to sit and hang out with you. I love it. That's like a people pay people for that. It's so cool. So ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

The coolest job ever to like just talk to people.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

It is the coolest job ever. And I'm like morphed between Buddy the Elf and Susie Talks a lot, so it really is the perfect job for me.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

You're so funny.

SPEAKER_03 9:42

And I love people. I just I love people. And I love strangers. I've been to two weddings. I hope they're watching. Two weddings of strangers I've met on planes.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

No way. Like you went to the you met.

SPEAKER_03 9:55

Yeah, they're like, we would love for you to come to the wedding. Got an invitation, flew to Florida for one. One was in Boston, went attended. Family walked in, and the mother of the bride, she's like, You must be Deb. Right? It was like I love that so much. I think it's good. I was like so honored. Like, you know what it's like to have a wedding.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:15

And you know what it cost to have a wedding. And yeah, it's crazy. I got it, I felt so honored. Like what a beautiful honor that you think I'm worthy of your biggest day.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

That is so cool. It was really and also cool of you to take the risk to go flying.

SPEAKER_03 10:30

So girl, nothing scares me.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

I love that.

SPEAKER_03 10:33

I'm from Philly.

SPEAKER_00 10:33

Because you, yeah, that is true. They make strong people.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

Nothing scares me. Nothing scares me. And I think if you don't take those chances in life, you're gonna get old and you're gonna regret not.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Yes, and there's something about a new experience like that. Totally. Oh you'll feel alive.

SPEAKER_03 10:50

We'll take high heels and go anywhere. I don't care. I can I can go by myself. I went to both by myself.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

No way.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

I was completely yeah, it was beautiful. Wow. Had it made a weekend out of it, had just an amazing time.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

That is so cool.

SPEAKER_03 11:01

I know. Bring me next week. You and I should be the wedding crash. Yes, bring me next. Let's do it. Let's start crashing wedding.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

Just text me. I'll be back.

SPEAKER_03 11:08

I will be like, just like let's get it. Well, just take the baby with us.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

You'll have one front pack, all the other front packs. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 11:14

Let's take the kids with us. Teach them the fine art of Shirley Temples while they're young. I mean, my child doesn't know any strangers, so I don't have there's no strangers in Deb's world either.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Honestly. And we're all and there's no strangers in your world. No, they're we all want the same things. We're all the same deep down inside. I really feel like that.

SPEAKER_03 11:30

And we're all supposed to lift each other up.

SPEAKER_00 11:32

I think so. I think we're all connected in some way.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

You know, tell me what the best compliment you got on social media was. I don't think we talked about this before. Or ever in your career.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

You know, I'm not the kind of person that gets like really excited about um which I hate saying this because please keep leaving comments, everybody. And please keep sharing this stuff. Absolutely. Um I'm such an in-person personal connection person. Um, but comments-wise, you know, I get awesome messages. I I guess from like a a fellow military spouse, a message about a song I'd written. Um to dress blue. Yes, dress blues, mm-hmm, and just how much it had touched her and how much it meant to her and all that. And changes lives. That's music changes lives. That for me was that's the number one.

SPEAKER_03 12:20

You know, to hear that you've moved somebody through something you've written, yes and it's just an incredible, incredible feeling.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

And to hear their story, and you know, it's just so cool.

SPEAKER_03 12:30

Well, we all have a pain point, right? Like we all do, and and the beauty of country music is that you're not alone.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:37

You're not alone. There's everything that they're experiencing, you're experiencing.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Amen. And it's so cool to be able to like you know, be a vessel for that bigger purpose, higher higher purpose.

SPEAKER_03 12:48

Yeah, I know. That must make you so proud.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

It it does. It does. I bet.

SPEAKER_03 12:53

And that's such a beautiful thing to teach your girls.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

Yeah, I I think so.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

The kind, the smallest things and the ways we give back are just kindness. Yes. And understanding that we're all I mean, we all get out of bed in the morning with the same I just gotta get through the damn day. Yes, right?

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Yeah, and I think that too. I can see it in my four-year-old, Alice. My six-month old is too little yet, but uh, my four-year-old, I can see the kindness in her. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 13:17

Kind people change the world. Yeah. The the object of life isn't is not to be rich. It's not to be have 14 houses and planes and be it's not. It's it's how we treat other people.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Yeah, and hold the perspective and the definition of rich is another thing to think of. Absolutely. Think on what are we rich in? You know, is that like numbers, dollars in the bank account? Like, yeah, love. That's the best.

SPEAKER_03 13:41

And that's those are the best things.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

I agree.

SPEAKER_03 13:43

So I should have told you this last week. I had a hater on um social media. No. Okay, this just goes to tell you the level. Called me a Karen. What? I'm like, listen, you're like, I get energetic, I get right up, I get all that. But like, Karen, no. No, not a Karen. But yes, like, and my husband's like, You don't ruin the party, you're the life of the party. I am the party doesn't start till I walk in. I am the party. And it's so funny because I was like, so I'm like, Rusty's like, don't engage. I'm like, dude, I gotta engage.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:15

And then I'm like, he's like, and your show and I'm like, thanks for following.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

Yeah, you know what? If he's watching, who cares? Who cares? Right.

SPEAKER_03 14:22

And I was telling the last guest, like, you're not even a badass until you have some haters.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_03 14:27

You're not you know when you're touching people when people call you.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Great thing to think about. It is. Yeah, you know that you're making you're moving mountains. Absolutely. Once the haters are watching.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

Yes. They're watching. He's like, You'll never show up on my algorithm. I'm like, is there a rock you could crawl back under? You miserable. Like, so funny. Especially Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

Yeah. It's so funny. He's really the Grinch, is what he is.

SPEAKER_03 14:49

He's really the Grinch. You really what are you guys doing for the holiday? We are staying here for once. We usually leave. Bravo. Children need to wake up in their own house where Santa Claus delivered their ship.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Amen. And I was like, We need that.

SPEAKER_03 15:03

I'm just too tired.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

Children need to wake up in their own houses, we're staying up about their own ship.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

Usually we travel to Oregon, Wisconsin, the whatever other place. Um, and we have a condo in Florida because my husband was stationed down there. Um and we love spending Christmas in Florida. But like this year, we just finished building our house.

SPEAKER_03 15:22

And how is it? How was the place?

SPEAKER_00 15:25

We were general contractors on it, so it was very it was a lot. I'm sure. Deb, I bit off way more than I could chew this year. I had a baby, toured, and built the home. That's too much. Too much.

SPEAKER_03 15:38

That's it. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Next time, sit me down and have an intervention. Don't let me do it.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

Listen, but can we pace ourselves a little bit? You can't pace yourself in this industry. It's not possible.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

You can't. I mean, I only know one gear, and that's 100%. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 15:51

So either that or I'm at zero. Everybody says they're like Deb's a 10. She's it runs at a 10 all the time. And when I crash, I crash.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

Crash hard, yeah. I'm the same way.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

The baby's not sleeping through the night.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

She's not sleeping through the night, no, but my four-year-old didn't either. But now my four-year-old sleeps, she's four, so she sleeps great now. So I'm like, just these are the hard things that are. We all get it right.

SPEAKER_03 16:13

You just gotta get used to when you know you as a mom, you sign up for that.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

You do, and it's worth it. Worth every single bit of the tired everything, you know.

SPEAKER_03 16:22

And it's nice, your husband's with you now, and he's not diagnosed.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

And he works remote, so that's so good. You know, he's very helpful. Absolutely. Like I always say, a real man is one that will front pack the baby in the pink front pack and uh we don't do weak men. Yeah, we just don't do weak men.

SPEAKER_03 16:39

Men are supposed to step up and and be fathers and be husbands and be protectors and yeah, and show that soft side. Absolutely. That's a real man to me. That's a real man to me. I could never imagine like being in my twenties and start dating.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

Oof. This kind of the men now.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

I know. It's so sad. Like I don't want to like stereotype men because I got the greatest. But it's like Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

There's something about a man too that I really want to be a man, you know?

SPEAKER_03 17:08

And we're kind of like, some of the brains go fix it in Levi's. Like wear your Levi's on. And and go fix them. Yes. Real men have tools.

SPEAKER_00 17:15

So hot.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

It's truthfully. Truthfully. Like it's great.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

I will say, like, your husband opens doors and all that. We're losing that.

SPEAKER_03 17:23

Like puts me on the inside. And honestly, I think he should run a masterclass for men to teach them how to act. He should. Like, doesn't let me lift anything. I know. We're gonna get together next time we'll come back.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

It'd be a good influence on my husband.

SPEAKER_03 17:36

I'm sure your husband's fabulous. He's wonderful. He was military.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

He's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 17:40

Served this great country. How long have you guys been married?

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Um, we've been married for how's my child? Four years now.

SPEAKER_03 17:46

Oh, congratulations.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

She's a wedding night baby.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

That's all right. Right. You're like, I'm changing my life. It's good for you.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

It happened quick.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

People like that have your personality are great with that.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

They can just roll. Oh, yeah. I honestly don't remember life before kids. Is that weird?

SPEAKER_03 18:01

It's weird in a great way. The best way. Do you still have a grandmother?

SPEAKER_00 18:04

You are not a grandmother.

SPEAKER_03 18:05

I girl, I am a grandmother. Wow. And we're having a second one coming. Congratulations. Thank you so much. This her name is Lainey. She's named after Lainey Wilson. Cute. And she's you think you have joy.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

Until you she has brought us more joy than I could have ever hoped for. She's beautiful. She's a ray of sunshine. It's now Christmas. I'll show you a picture for you. Here's my fly from the floor. Yeah, yeah, the Philly fly. I know. He's literally, he literally came. I know. He's growing. He's got cheesesteak on him. It's a hot mess. Um, it does. It changes your whole world.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

It does. Well, one per person put it, um, it's crazy to have grandchildren because it's your baby had a baby. So it's it's like you get to relive that.

SPEAKER_03 18:52

Watch them grow into parents is so beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

My mom says that all the time. She's like, I love watching you be such a good mama.

SPEAKER_03 18:59

No, but she did a good job. If you're your wonderful mom because you had an example a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

She gave me everything, and she would be done every year. She's at the house right now. I'm sorry. She flew in from Oregon for Ozzie's birthday. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 19:14

You know, I always say that good people come from other good people.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Amen.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

They totally did. On the flip side, assholes come from other assholes.

SPEAKER_00 19:21

Yeah, that is true.

SPEAKER_03 19:22

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

And that's why I always feel bad for them because I'm like what happened to you as a baby.

SPEAKER_03 19:26

I know. Like, what how bad is it that you have to make some yuck somebody else's yum? Make somebody feel small. Yeah. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

It's not, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

I think it's just, you know, I work with a lot of artists, I coach a lot of artists, and it's really um it's about switching your mind to you wake up, it's your day. Like it's a we get the opportunity to start over every single day.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

Yeah, and like that could end at any moment. So, like, why not just just be happy?

SPEAKER_03 19:54

Yeah, and I you know, the power of having somebody in the military is you know that it is life is precious. Yes. You don't know if they're coming back.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Definitely. Um that's hard because I mean, that perspective, like my dad was a commercial fisherman too, my whole life. So as a little girl, I mean, my uncle passed away, got lost at sea, and I knew that that was that was instilled in me when I was very little. Right. And then marrying a man in the military was very similar in that regard. Right. Um, when he deployed, you almost can't even let your brain go there, though.

SPEAKER_03 20:27

I can't even imagine. You can't, you know. Like, I I don't I don't even like when Rusty goes to a business meeting at six. I'm like, dinner with me. What are we gonna you know? Like, and I can't even imagine.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

But you get a honeymoon phase all over the city.

SPEAKER_03 20:40

Totally, totally, and you know, it's really nice too. You know, I work with a lot of deployed military also, and um they're the true heroes of this world.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

Yeah, there's so much hard.

SPEAKER_03 20:48

You know, we we uh put kids in jerseys with athletes' names on them. Yeah, and that is the example. And and that's a great point. We don't give the credit to people who are willing to risk their life for us to be able to sit here and just chill out.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

Yeah, that is something that we should probably switch our culture around to get better about. Yeah, absolutely. I think it'd be really good too if everybody just served for a few years. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

I swear, I think you know, it's funny in other countries it is common, you know, they make men serve.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 21:21

And I think it really teaches them structure and stability, and you know, so I I tell you how to do that home though for you.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Me too. And um, you know, he got out a couple years ago, so it has been that transition of um it's weird to go from him deploying all the time or in the field or whatever it was, yeah, and then now him be fully remote at home all the time. Sometimes we're like, oh maybe, you know, right.

SPEAKER_02 21:47

Yeah, because they're they take a boy's trip for some. Just dad will put you up.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

I'm just kidding, though. I absolutely adore having him home, and we have so many. Like side projects together, like the music. He tour manages me, which is amazing. And then we have um real estate. Uh so we buy some land and we now like to do like heavy machinery operator stuff. Yeah, do you might get into it?

SPEAKER_03 22:13

Do you see that works with you? No, I don't know. How do you do this? I need one. Right. Call me, I'll fill in.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

I'll be like, yeah, honestly, a lot of chat GPT, a lot of AI stuff helps out. It's changed the world. It's just helped like do things, take care of some things.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

A little quicker without even I mean, you've got but not write music.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

I'm never gonna give in to that.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

No, you have to write your own music. I think we never give into that. That's what makes your songs so special. They touch somebody's life. Yeah. I mean, to think that you're in an industry where you can write a song and it will change somebody's life.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

Yeah, it is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 22:44

It's beautiful, it is amazing.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

It makes you f believe in higher power. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

Absolutely. There's a reason you're here, there's a reason you were brought to country music, there's a reason you brought to Nashville. Let's talk about 2026. What the hell is going on?

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Well, so many things. Um so right now we're taking a little bit of a break because I hit it hard with playing shows and I had the baby and all that.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

So you when did you go back to touring? Right, right after the baby?

SPEAKER_00 23:10

We yeah, two weeks, right after two weeks after the baby, which I know, which was kind of not recommended. But uh here we are.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

I don't really think they let you drive two weeks. You got on a freaking bus and went to a big thing.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

Yeah, they make you wait like six weeks to do most of the things.

SPEAKER_03 23:25

Yeah, anything, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:27

So that was kind of I probably shouldn't have done that. But you know what? It got me like back into somewhat of shape quicker. Um, I'm also breastfeeding, so that helps get women back into shape a little bit quicker.

SPEAKER_03 23:38

Um also healthy for the baby.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Healthy for the baby, healthy for mom, hormones, all that. Like I know, I know a lot of people don't like doing it, but if you can, some people can't, please do it. Like, build an immune system.

SPEAKER_03 23:49

Yes, and you're true, the hormones for women, like you.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

Oh, postpartum hit me hard. It's hard. Like being a woman is rough.

SPEAKER_03 23:58

It's it's not, it's not glamorous. It's it seems glamorous, but it's really not glamor.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

And I'm grateful because I get to experience those special moments with the kids. You're talking about and growing a human in inside you is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 24:11

You were the cutest freaking pregnant woman and the coolest pregnant woman I ever met.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

You're so sweet. I did not know.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

My head was like one enormous zit. Skin was oily. Like mine too. I was an ugly, ugly pregnant person. And it's really like, but you were the best pregnant person. You had like boundless energy and I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

I think it's because I love my job. I think same thing. Like when you love what you're doing.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

The importance of loving your job.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

Yeah, you get adrenaline boosts almost like totally.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

And you know, like that CRS we were, I was like, there are people shoving bios under the bathroom door.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

No way.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

And you know, like I want to give everybody some spotlights. Yes. And you came here with a guitar and a dream, and I want I want you to be seen. But it was it was was it crazy? It was crazy. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

Was that your first one? No, no. I've done it for like 10 years now. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, but seeing you guys, you work hard. Like for me, it's like, you know, I got five a day or something like that. You have like 60 or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 25:12

In that week, we shot the beginning of the week, and then we shot Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I think we did like 67.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

Oh my gosh. I don't know how you do it. But I can tell you 60 seven. And you save your voice too.

SPEAKER_03 25:20

Uh well, when I got back from that, I had this like chronic sore through. Like, their audience is probably like, Well, I'll shoot you, just go get coffee. Um I had this like I my vocal cords were damaged. I had to go to an airnose throat. She's and she's like, They scoped you. Yeah, and she was like, Yes, which by the way is uncomfortable. Like, you don't need that camera going into it.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Never done it.

SPEAKER_03 25:42

Um, it's terrible.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

Um, but she's like, you just have to take a vowel silence, which is really hard for a chick. Like that. Oh my gosh. Really hard. I would have to carry a border out. I'm like, coffee, like that's crazy. I know. I've never had that bad. It was crazy. It was just a non-stop. But I'm I mean, I got to meet you, and I really meant just some of the coolest people.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

And to follow your careers makes my heart so happy. Like I see, I'm cheering you on. I know like I'm not next to you, but I'm totally cheering you on.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

I appreciate that so much.

SPEAKER_03 26:17

Oh gosh, you're so welcome. You were such a you were I love I'm like, I want her back.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

Oh well, whenever you're in town, I want to see you.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

So totally you come in and co-host today.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

Yeah. Oh, what?

SPEAKER_03 26:27

We would love that. Yeah, co host today. Okay. That would be amazing. What's better than one to have? Two, let's go. Yeah, it's great. We'll totally get you in for that. But yeah, it's it's a lot of fun. That's awesome. I got I left very tired, but I also left with this incredible sense of unity and friendship and kindness and and helping each other out. And I just thought it was like it was such a beautiful experience. It is.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Was that your first? It was my very first.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

This show's only a year and a half old.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

No way. Yes. Oh, but you seem like you have a lot of time.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

I've been doing this my whole life, right? Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Well-oiled machine already. Yeah, you guys are doing good.

SPEAKER_03 27:01

It it's a team.

SPEAKER_00 27:02

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 27:02

You know, everyone's like, it's Deb's podcast. I'm like, it's not really my podcast. I'm really chick in the chair.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, no, you're way more than that. But I get what you're saying. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

I mean, I have my assistant, he's been with me a long time. He handles my other job too. And I can tell you honestly, I have the greatest media team in Nancy.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

That's so cool.

SPEAKER_03 27:19

They're family to me, clutch social, check them out.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Um I need them on my stuff.

SPEAKER_03 27:24

Yeah, do you do your own social media?

SPEAKER_00 27:26

I do. I need to not, though.

SPEAKER_03 27:27

They should be like, I'll give you Hope's number. You gotta do that. I would love to. And you will love them. She's we all went out to dinner last night, and it's such a cool feeling to know that you're flying into a city and artists are excited to see you and they want to take you out to dinner. Like it's such a good feeling. I love that if people are just they're excited for your presence.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

So it's so exciting. It's like a big party.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

I can't even like stepping on a stage where people have paid to see you.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

It's like the best drug in the world. Oh, I think there's no other high.

SPEAKER_03 27:57

I can only imagine. And people sacrifice a lot to be able to follow artists.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

Oh, yeah. And when people show up to your show, they got a babysitter. They took time off. Like they bought tickets. Like it's a huge deal, and I do not take that lightly at all.

SPEAKER_03 28:11

I'm sure you don't. I give you all of it. Can we get you a bar on Broadway?

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Wait, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

Let's that's gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

What would we name it? Oh Jesse G Spot.

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Yeah, Jesse G Spot would be the best name for a bar. We'll put it right next to like uh like who just opened uh post Maloney.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or Jelly Rolls Bar. That'd be great.

SPEAKER_03 28:31

Right next to Jelly Rolls Bar who like transformed his life. Every time I look at Jelly Roll, I'm like, he doesn't even look like that.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

Yeah, I don't even recognize him anymore. He looks great. God listened. He's doing it the healthy way too.

SPEAKER_03 28:40

He is, and he's a lover of humans and giving back.

SPEAKER_00 28:42

Yes, we love those people on our cool seeing him go into a prison and speak to them about turning their past and their purpose and all that. It's like, I love you, man. That's like God's work. I mean, it's totally totally work. So cool.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

I, during the whole pandemic thing, I went into I didn't get vaccinated, but I went in to a CVS and there was an older man and he was terrified. Like legitimately terrified. And I'm standing on, I go, I'm gonna sit with you, I'm gonna hold your hand. Everything's gonna be all right. We're gonna, I'm just gonna have to do that.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

That's what Jesus would do too. And God's God's work.

SPEAKER_03 29:14

Well, I milked that, Jess. Like I wrote on God's work. Like, I'm like, back up. Doing God's work.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Like literally. Listen, I did God's work two weeks ago, okay? Right.

SPEAKER_03 29:26

I'm like, right. I'm like, when's your second vaccination? I've got to get like we need to get back. Like it was really, I milked the God's work. Like, if I was tired, I'm like, I am doing God's work. I need to rest. I'm doing God's work. Like everyone's like, shut up with the God's work.

unknown 29:41

I love you.

SPEAKER_03 29:42

It was he was terrified, like a little bit terrified. I'm like, I got you. I'm not gonna leave you.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

I understand though. That was wild. Totally.

SPEAKER_03 29:49

It was just a bad time. Like everybody was scared.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

Everything. Like, don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

Right, it was. It was the most horrific time. But I mean, it's I mean, he was terrified. We don't leave people broken. No. That's what we're doing. We put it back together. Yeah. We get them through what we need to do.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

That's how we get stronger. What is that? The redwood trees, their roots are all connected under the trees. You're all connected, yeah. Yeah, so they're stronger together.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

He was so grateful.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

I love that.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

He was ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

You were his redwood tree.

SPEAKER_03 30:15

Right. You were his redwood tree. I know, I know. And the pharmacist was like, I think I was getting like mucineks or something. Yeah. Like, you're just gonna have. Like, yeah, I don't like to leave.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Maybe you taught him a lesson.

SPEAKER_03 30:28

I hope so. I hope I did, because I think pharmacists at that point where they were, you know, go through drive-through it, they were probably like, what? Like you couldn't pay those people enough money.

SPEAKER_00 30:36

For real.

SPEAKER_03 30:36

I think anybody that made it in healthcare through that, like, damn, some President Trump sent those people some bonuses.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Right.

SPEAKER_03 30:42

I mean, and that's the way I feel about the military too. I'm like, please treat them the best immediately.

SPEAKER_00 30:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 30:49

We wouldn't be here if it wasn't for people like your husband that were brave enough.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

There's some things that they do amazingly, like the VA loan, like being able to build our dream home, things like that. Like, very grateful for that.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

But absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

But there's some things that they need to get better on and help our veterans opt a little more.

SPEAKER_03 31:07

And I feel like we're heading in that direction because I think for a long time we didn't talk about mental illness, we didn't talk about trauma, you know, and now I feel like it's okay. It's okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

Yeah, they're treating it like you're sick, you know. Yeah, and as it should be, as it should be.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

No adult should have to wait 20 years or three. I have full 50, 60, 70-year-old people have been carrying that trauma for 70 years.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

It's so sad.

SPEAKER_03 31:33

And when they get their life back, it's so liberating. Their confidence goes up.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:38

It's just amazing. We should really I'm with veterans.

SPEAKER_00 31:41

There's new therapies out too, right now, that I'm like super excited about. Totally. They're finally getting they're going outside the box now, and we're not plant-based therapy as much anymore.

SPEAKER_03 31:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:52

Bravo. Bravo to not, you know, for that we're not.

unknown 31:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

And this is so Alan, I was telling you, he's our sponsor for today. Super cool guy.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

And he this is his beer. This is his beer.

SPEAKER_03 32:03

He's a veteran, wife's a veteran. Ten percent of their sales go back to veterans for them for the animals for Patriot Paws and to help suit stop suicide.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

Can I try one?

SPEAKER_03 32:16

Oh totally. You want a cold one? Hold on. I think we have some cold ones in there. But uh that's looks awesome. I know. He's so great. And like totally he's got the same breed of me that we help each other.

SPEAKER_00 32:31

I love that.

SPEAKER_03 32:32

Like we just we have to help each other. Yeah. We're all just trying to get through.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

I and I love that, you know, because your platform is perfect with something like this. Oh my gosh, you don't need to be able to do that. It compliments.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

I literally sweet has such a soft spot for people. I have girls that are deployed.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

Freedom Brew.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

Freedom Brew.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

Veteran-owned operating American Lauger. All right. Um I feel like I need to get this. Such a good guy.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

It's happy hour. It's happy hour, everyone.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

Ooh. Take my gum out.

SPEAKER_03 33:01

Here's to you, Alan.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Here's to you, Alan. Thank you. Here's to you. Thank you for your service.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

Yes, and thank you for protecting these veterans that need it so much. I gotta still run on my diet coke.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

That's good.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

Mouth watering?

SPEAKER_00 33:14

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 33:15

So take some home with you. I'm gonna drink this on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

Please do. It's happy hour.

SPEAKER_03 33:19

Please do. So where are you performing next? So I Are you done now between now and the new year or no?

SPEAKER_00 33:25

Yes. I am, I think. Yes. I wish my husband was right here. He tour manages. So he always is like, we have this, this, and this. And I'm always like, just tell me what I gotta do too. Where do I need to be? Yeah. But um we performed all weekend this weekend, um, here in Nashville, actually. Lovely. Which is rare.

SPEAKER_03 33:43

Right. I normally so hard, like it's so funny. I think when people think Nashville, they think all the artists are just on Broadway.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

Yeah, no. Mostly if you're an artist singing your own songs and you're not, you know, jelly roll level yet, right? Then you go, you tour outside of Nashville. Yeah, that's how you do it. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 33:59

You have to go where your fans are. Yeah, so you gotta make a name outside of just this little community.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

Yeah, amen. And you yeah, you gotta find your pockets of fans and stuff. And it's actually kind of cool because you can see on your Spotify and all that, you can see where your fans are at because it shows you. Yeah, I'm sure you said the same thing probably.

SPEAKER_03 34:17

Yeah, absolutely. We know, like we know the age range, and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

It's pretty cool. So it is cool.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

It is cool.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

Yeah, I I'm taking a little bit of a break. Um, I also started a songwriter festival with me and my husband did, yeah. Um, Destin Songwriter Festival in Destin, Florida. Florida? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:32

When is the next one?

SPEAKER_00 34:33

Uh come uh in October.

SPEAKER_03 34:34

I want to be, I want to shoot. Yes, come on. I totally would just love shooting.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

Maybe we'll have you come host and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 34:39

I would love it. I would love to.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Okay, we gotta have you out.

SPEAKER_03 34:43

Totally would be honored to do that. I would be honored to have you. If you start your own festival.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

Yeah, I know. Build a house, have a baby, start a festival, go on tour.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

That's so amazing. So you did it last year?

SPEAKER_00 34:53

Yeah, it was great. Right after you had the baby? Yeah. Well, not right after. I mean October. So a couple months. Yeah, I got a little five. Oh, yeah. You don't want to be down there any other time. Yeah, because it's cold here and it's beautiful there.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

How many artists did you have?

SPEAKER_00 35:08

We had oh man, well, perspective, three stages starting at noon all day long for two straight days. So, and they're writers rounds, so it's only five songs. It's like three artists on stage, Nashville style. Right. One song, one song, one song. You know, that's amazing. We had a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

Did you give a lot of turnout?

SPEAKER_00 35:27

Yes, it was great. And the city was like so pumped, the mayor was behind it. Like, so this year's gonna be even bigger. Um, they like all the resorts are calling us, wanting to be involved.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

Loved you start your own little try it. Yeah, totally, Alan. Come on, Alan. He would love it. He would love it. It was good. I was really, it was funny because when we were talking, he's like, My daughter's never been, she wants me to bring. I'm like, I don't know if I'm the best example, but you can't work with me.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

I'm like, Yes, you are.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

But um, because he wants to, he's gonna come at some point. Yeah, maybe you'll get to meet him with the CRS. But he's but I'm so proud of you. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 36:05

Thank you. Yeah, no, it's it's been such a fun while the building year. I feel like you it's been a very building year for me.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

That's beautiful. Yeah. Maybe you get to like a little rest.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

Maybe the holidays. I don't know. The holidays. I mean, not going anywhere for once. For once, we're staying here in Nashville, so it'll be good to just.

SPEAKER_03 36:22

I love this time of year in Nashville. I mean, I you gotta get people in between Christmas parties and those kind of things. But I mean, it's such a good time.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

And when it snows, it's pretty in Asheville.

SPEAKER_03 36:30

Yeah, it is. Well, when we shot that CRS, it snowed that morning. It did, yeah. And I'm from Texas, so like when it snows, it's crippling. Oh, jeez. It's crippling.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

You know, I mean, I'm not there anymore, but it's very something bad happened like two years ago in Texas with it snowing.

SPEAKER_03 36:46

Yeah, and the infrastructure is up. Oh, okay. So look it can't be up in Philly, and it can't be up here because the winds would freeze it right. Oh my gosh, yeah. But it just completely shuts down. I remember getting the call that morning the first guest was running late because of the snow. And you know, we're locked in the omni. Yeah. It's just the press and the artists. I'm like outside, I'm like, that's not like real snow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:07

Yeah, you're like, uh, they don't know what snow is.

SPEAKER_03 37:10

That's not what snow is. But you know, it's really funny. I'm I I'm not a fan of the winter. I'm not a fan of I don't like being cold. Yeah, me neither. And I don't like I don't like it being dark. Yes. Either. Like I'm I'm very affected by light. Oh, we need sun.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

Sun is like a healer.

SPEAKER_03 37:25

Totally. Like in the case. I need this at like my desk, like staring me in the face all the time.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

The fact that my child can get a diaper rash and you just put her bum in the sun and then it cures it. I'm like, Yes. How crazy sun is medicine.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

It is totally medicine and people need to be outside. People don't go outside.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

I'm like, I think we're all lacking in vitamin D too. I think it's been proven or true lacking in vitro and iodine and all that stuff. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

Just take you my kids, get outside. Yes, they are.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

They need to eat that dirt. Totally.

SPEAKER_03 37:54

That's how they build an immune system. People that keep their kids clean all the time like that kid's gonna be sick as shit the rest of his life.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

Yes, that's why we bought five acres here because I was like, I want my girls to ride dirt bikes, I want them to play in the dirt. I want them to know that life. Amen. In Nashville, we're all piled up, like we're all piled on top of each other in town.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

Where did you build?

SPEAKER_00 38:14

Uh, West Nashville. Nice. It's like the only remaining space in Nashville. Like everybody's got farms out that way. So, and a lot of famous people live on our road, which is like pretty cool. Like the houses are gorgeous. You have to come out.

SPEAKER_03 38:25

I would have a little guest house. What?

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Yeah, it's a barn dominium. So there are two like all black John and Cash style barn domains.

SPEAKER_03 38:33

I would be honored. I would be honored. I would have that what was your favorite thing about the house?

SPEAKER_00 38:37

Um, I designed it all our well, we both, me and my husband, but he he knows me. He's like, all right, babe. Right, I know. You can have a house in the big closet.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

And he's like, I think I'm like, that's not necessary. You keep your thinking for other things. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

I was like, no, I want to see the kids from the kitchen. I want to have like a line of sight, all ranch style. I don't like going upstairs.

SPEAKER_03 38:59

Yeah, I live in a rancher, too.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

It's so great.

SPEAKER_03 39:01

We have basements. Do you have a basement?

SPEAKER_00 39:03

We should have because the tornadoes are wild here.

SPEAKER_03 39:06

Totally, yeah. We have a basement. But I mean, in Pennsylvania, the houses are built, they're older, but they're structurally sound and real, real fireplaces. Like and real wood.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

I wanted to do a fireplace. It was just gonna be so much extra everything, like money, permitting, like all the things.

SPEAKER_03 39:23

I know it's ridiculous, isn't it? I mean, even to have people we bought the house and then we I'm like, just send them in. Yeah, send them in and and like get it done. But it's like, I mean, I don't even know how young people afford to buy houses.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

It's crazy. If we didn't have the VA loan, we wouldn't have been able to do the dream layout. Five acres in Nashville is it was more for our land than our house. Right. Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_03 39:44

It is so crazy. Yeah, but it's worth it. But we're 10 minutes from downtown. And you have an amazing investment. Yes. You have an amazing and your kids will just love growing up there.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

Yeah, I'll probably try to send them to private school just because Tennessee schools aren't known for the best.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

It's affordable to live here, which is great. It's a big affordable. Yeah, it's very affordable to live here. But I get it. That's okay. I sent my daughter to private school. I sent her to Catholic school. I'm not a mom.

SPEAKER_00 40:09

I mean, I I was a public school girl, so I'm like, and look at you, you're perfectly fine. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I didn't really learn much. Right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

You learned what you needed to learn, girl. You made it. You did it.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

I learned how to survive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:20

You learned how to survive. I think that's all. They're life skills that we're teaching. Yeah. You start teaching kids lessons.

SPEAKER_00 40:25

I mean, that's better anyway.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

I think if I taught my daughter anything, it was that you like you can talk yourself in or out, like you know anything.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

Yeah. Don't let me know how you know. Oh my gosh. And also, no one really knows what they're doing. We're all just we're just all just figuring it out one day at a time.

SPEAKER_03 40:41

We're all figuring it out along the way.

SPEAKER_00 40:43

That's like I thought when I first moved here, somebody knew somebody had the box. There's a secret box. Yes. Like, how do I get that door open? Nobody's got the box.

SPEAKER_03 40:51

Nobody's got the box.

SPEAKER_00 40:53

That's empowering to finally learn that.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

That nobody has the box. And being authentic is having your own box.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

Amen.

SPEAKER_03 40:59

Yeah. You know, we talked a lot on the show too about the power of not giving a shit with people then. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

Like that's alongside with the box. It's like, yes.

SPEAKER_03 41:08

It's the box friend. Yeah. The box is definitely. That's what's in the box. That's what's in the box, right? Because we're such a society of like you know, like you just have to be authentic. It's the best way to show up.

SPEAKER_00 41:20

It took a really long time for me to learn that. I feel like in my 30s, probably I really embraced it. But it's just I was just like trying to be something, and then I'm like, you know, there are moments where I'm like, oh gosh, you know, am I the right person to be doing that or like imposter syndrome or whatever? Right. Um, and then I'm just like, well, I'm here in this, this is my opportunity. Where I'm supposed to be. Yes. And so just I am who I am. Right. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 41:44

A hundred percent. And I totally get that. I'm like, people that show up authentic, you know it.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

You just totally know it. Like you know that they're real people. And yeah. The power of just not give I you know, I'm from Texas. So I say to my husband, like, big hair, don't care.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

Yes, I love it. So I don't care. Higher the hair, closer to God.

SPEAKER_03 42:00

And I closer to God. And I'm like, it doesn't what how is their I'm gonna let their opinion shape my or affect my mood or my relationships or my show.

SPEAKER_00 42:09

Oh my gosh, you can't.

SPEAKER_03 42:10

It you can't. I think that's the best advice. Our lady viewers, please, and our men too, but like just put it in your fucking bucket.

SPEAKER_00 42:18

Yeah. Not the sooner you do that, like you find your people.

SPEAKER_03 42:21

Spraying doors that you were pulling open.

SPEAKER_00 42:25

Yes. Well, the right one's open. Totally. And then good. Thank you for not being the right door. Right. Locked door. Karen. Yeah, Karen. Keep your door.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

Did you just call me Karen?

SPEAKER_00 42:37

I'm like, did you? You are like the opposite of a Karen.

SPEAKER_03 42:40

I am the direct opposite of a Karen. I mean, I got my shit for sure. You know, I mean, I'm extra, but like, Karen? Like, I don't really give a shit.

SPEAKER_00 42:49

Also, like that we put a uh a certain stereotype to a name cracks me up. I know. Like a Chad or like a.

SPEAKER_03 42:55

Can you imagine like all the parents that I bet they don't name Karen? Named Karen. God damn. I bet there hasn't been one. Oh, laugh. Look this up. How many babies have been born named Karen after this? Like.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

I wonder.

SPEAKER_03 43:08

What if it was a family name? Like, what a bunch of assholes. Karen.

SPEAKER_00 43:13

Or the person that is Karen that's really cool. Totally. And as well. Right, right. She's probably. She's calling Kate.

SPEAKER_03 43:18

She's probably Betty. She's like, dude, I just cannot be a Karen. I just can't do it. Alright. You know I'm gonna ask you this, and you know I'm gonna want to yes. You're gonna come back.

SPEAKER_00 43:26

Oh, yes, please. You're gonna come back and hang out with me.

SPEAKER_03 43:29

You can come back and co-host some shows with me.

SPEAKER_00 43:32

I would love to.

SPEAKER_03 43:33

Oh, I think when you get artists together, it's like Oh, fun. It's like Shazam.

SPEAKER_00 43:38

It is. It I feel like we get too talky on like the technicalities of things sometimes, but like even better when you have a listener who's like, yes.

SPEAKER_03 43:47

Totally. I think when you get a co-host that like people are like, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 43:53

Yeah, stories might get more wild.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

Stories might get more wild. We might drink a little more beer, but that's it's happy out. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Happy hour. Happy hour. You know, I have to remind people on the contest. I'm like, it's happy hour with Deb. Yes, thank you, Down. And girlfriend, I love you. I'm so happy I got to spend some time with you. I'm so proud of you, and I'm so happy about your beautiful family.

SPEAKER_00 44:18

Thank you, but I'm proud of you too. This is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

Thanks so much. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 44:21

It's gonna keep growing bigger and bigger than that.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

The only way to love this is to have people like you. That that really, you're like, when they walk out of the chair, you're like, I can't wait to talk to them again. You know? Thank you for being that person to me.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

You're that person to me too, so thank you.

SPEAKER_03 44:38

You you know. You just you need a Philly moment. You just be like, I gotta call Deb. I gotta call Deb and check it out.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

When that Philly gnat comes to my house, I'm gonna call you.

SPEAKER_03 44:46

With the Philly Nat. Is that Philly Nat, you I'll get a SWAT team to go. I'll send somebody over. Send an extra. You've got a freaking veteran in your house.

SPEAKER_02 44:54

Little Nats are gonna hold you back.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

Thank you for coming on. I love you so much. I'm so proud of you. I'm so excited for your family. I can't wait to have you back.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Thank you so much. And come to a show next year. Oh, just I'll send you my schedule.

SPEAKER_03 45:06

Are you kidding? I'm I'm gonna go. I'm gonna be like dressed and just sit on a channel.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

I'm gonna send you some merch. Totally. I'm going.

SPEAKER_03 45:13

Like, that's it. I need to lose 10 pounds before that.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

But no, I know.

SPEAKER_03 45:16

I'm the come leading up to this shoot. I was on the all starvation. Okay, you know that lasts about 72 hours. Oh gosh. Then I hear me rooting for the Scandinavian swimmers from Trader Joe's. My husband's like, are you having to do that? I'm like, uh my niece is here. She'll tell you I'm the candy woman.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

Oh my gosh. I chalk dark chocolate is my weakness.

SPEAKER_03 45:37

Grab the big bar from Trader Joe's. You guys are Trader Joe's for you most. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

There's a Trader Joe's, yep. And Green Hills, I think. Yeah, it's great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

The big old like pounds chocolate bar.

SPEAKER_00 45:46

Well, Whole Foods has this chocolate called Honey Mama's.

SPEAKER_03 45:49

Oh, I know. I'm a Whole Foods girl, too. Good. I know.

SPEAKER_00 45:51

And you have to keep it in the fridge. A food store snob.

SPEAKER_03 45:55

For all the husbands out there, they're like, we hate food store snobs. Because my husband's like, this was$36. I'm like, I'm not entitled to joy. Right? I shouldn't have joy in my work.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

Yes, you should.

SPEAKER_03 46:06

You know, just give her what she wants. It's gonna be easier. It's gonna be easier. Merry Christmas to you, my friend. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. Happy holidays. We're gonna you're gonna be our rising star of twenty twenty-six.

SPEAKER_00 46:17

Thank you.