Speaking Of Stories - Episode 8 - Gig @ The Golden Lion, Todmorden

Episode 8: Gig, The Golden Lion, and Dancing Your Tit Out

What happens when you build a life, a business, and a community in your second+ language?

In this episode of Speaking of Stories, I sit down with Matthanee Nilavongse (Gig), owner of the iconic Golden Lion, a legendary pub, music venue, and community hub in the heart of Todmorden. The Golden Lion has become known for its live music, Thai food, community spirit, and unforgettable atmosphere. 

Gig shares the story of growing up in Thailand, moving across the world, navigating life and business in English, and learning to accept herself after years of hiding behind layers of protection.

We talk about:

• Growing up feeling like an outsider
 • Bullying, identity, and self-acceptance
 • Moving from Thailand to Australia, Italy, and eventually the UK
 • Running a successful business in a second language
 • Racism, resilience, and why Gig thinks we need a workshop called "How To Talk To Racists"
• The difference between speaking correctly and connecting authentically
• Why she deliberately leaves mistakes in her Facebook posts
• Dreaming in English (Gig's unexpected advice for language learners)
• The stories behind some of the Golden Lion's most famous phrases, including "Dance Your Tit Out"

Along the way, Gig challenges many of the assumptions we hold about language, fluency, and belonging.

One of my favourite moments:

"It's not the words that are interesting. It's your idea. Is it interesting?"

About Speaking of Stories

Speaking of Stories explores real-life stories about how language weaves in and out of identity, belonging, communication, and lived experience.

Through conversations with people from different backgrounds, we explore what happens when language becomes more than words and when it becomes part of who we are. 

About Sukhi

I'm Sukhi, a communication coach working with 2nd+ English speakers move from overthinking and self-consciousness towards more fluid, emotive, and authentic communication - from the inside out. 

My work combines communication coaching with mindfulness, expressive & meaningful conversation, grounding, breathing techniques, and tools for presence for a full-bodied communication experience, championing your unique voice.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

She can't speak English. But then I said, Well, don't you feel like you're in Bangkok right now? That's amazing. You don't have to pay for the ticket to go abroad. You just have a golden line, and you feel like you're in Bangkok right now.

SPEAKER_04 0:14

You can have a Thai food as well.

SPEAKER_06 0:19

Sometimes customers might just come in like what did she say? And I'll like I just said two pounds for a pint.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

And then they're like, she said two pound.

SPEAKER_06 0:35

Can you speak any Thai at all? No, I don't think so. No, you cannot, can you? I got BM British Meadow War kind of thing two years ago. And I don't think I could speak like posh people at all. So don't ever think if you not speak standard English, you cannot uh get into the society.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

I'm Suki and welcome to Speaking of Stories. This podcast explores people's real life experiences of how language weaves in and out of identity and lived experience. Today I'm talking to Gig, owner of the Golden Lion in Todmuden. We talk about language, identity, belonging, and what it means to sound like yourself in a language that isn't your first. It's a conversation about accent, resilience, humor, and the ways we adapt and resist depending on where we are in the world. Sit back and enjoy just a little slice of Gig's story. Welcome to my podcast gig. Welcome today. Thank you so much for agreeing to do this.

SPEAKER_06 1:56

No problem. Very welcome.

SPEAKER_03 2:00

Would you like to introduce yourself for the listeners, please?

SPEAKER_06 2:04

So uh my name is Matanini LeWongs, and of course, no one's gonna say that. Like, you know, everyone who came from Asian country got quite a long name. So I have been using my nickname. So in Thailand, when you're born, everyone has a nickname, I believe, because mom and dad cannot even remember their full name yet, because they're just born. But also, like, they have to write the name on the feet. So if you have write all that long name, it's not gonna be enough space, isn't it? So everyone got a nickname in Thailand when they're born, and my nickname is Kik, which means cutie.

SPEAKER_03 2:41

Thank you for introducing yourself. Do you feel like you match your name meaning?

SPEAKER_06 2:48

Well, I hate my nickname like the whole time, like the whole teen. I never used my nickname at all whatsoever. I just asked people to call me Matt or a different name or whatever it is, and Pamela, Ama, whatever I got, like five, six different names. But then somehow I came to England. It's feel like I am growing up and start to accept a lot of things. Like I used to wear the glasses all the time, the fake glasses, just to hide myself from the whole world. Not have like, not not tell them my nickname because I think it sounds silly to be like called cutie. It's weird. So I hate my nickname. But somehow then I become accept myself and be who I am.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

This is a large part of my work that I do with my clients. I try to encourage them to accept themselves, and we do that through a lot of reflection. How about you? How did you get to that point? Big question already.

SPEAKER_06 3:52

Um I think like I harming myself all the time through my teenage time. I never accept myself. Um I just try to cover myself up with like punk music, everything like aggressive, and um I like to be the bad person because it's more fun. I used to be a really good student. Like I got scholarship and everything when I was in my teen. And then I get bullied at school. If I keep being like a good student, I will keep getting bullied. So I want to be the bully one, then I won't get bullied. I'm not that bad bully, but you know, but I want to protect myself. So joy the gangs, not going to school, run away from home and things like that. So I think I just got lost for about maybe until I was 20. You know, for the first 20 years of my life, I'm just being rotating into all that school system and everything. But I think it's a great thing though. I think like it's good that people still go into school and learn all of that bully thing because it's real. It's the same with the society outside, you know. So you have to be strong to survive, right? Okay, you kind of break through. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:08

I hear you.

SPEAKER_06 5:18

But then I just have to put lots of layer on. And then when I have my baby and grown up, and then I can take my layer off again and be myself again.

SPEAKER_03 5:27

Hmm. Do you still feel like you have some layers then that you're trying to peel away?

SPEAKER_06 5:33

Now then I go to the next step in my life, and I think because in the music industry and um pop bar restaurant, then again, I don't think you can really be yourself because otherwise you get too tired. Because if I be myself at work, I would be like doing everything for everyone the whole time. And then there were so many people, like, you know, 100 million people that I met a year. So I just have to protect myself a little bit to like learn to say no. I remember like the first five years, I would open the golden lion and I'll say yes to everything. And I end up really, really burnt out, really tired. But then I didn't see myself that time. I look back, I can see why I was so depressed.

SPEAKER_05 6:27

It's the balance, I think. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

I hear you. And there's so many lessons to learn through, I guess, through everything you've been through. And you mentioned the Golden Lion. I went there a couple of weekends ago, and it was amazing. That was my first time. So, how did you get into that? Why the Golden Lion? What made you choose that place and how is it going?

SPEAKER_06 6:52

So I think it's hard to be from why did I choose England? Because I was doing the exchange student in Australia in 2002, and I love it. I love all the people in Australia, very friendly, amazing time. I got 100 friends in the art school. Why I have a really beautiful time, but then I just kind of think it was missing something, it was too easy. It's just too friendly. It's no challenge, it's no rude, it's no authentic. I don't know why, but maybe I'm really young. I was about 20, 21 years old. So then I moved to Italy because I thought, well, this is like the core of art, you know, it's classical, it's like academic, it's real, the language is right and everything is difficult. But then end up, it's like, whoa, it's really difficult. I mean, the south of Italy in 2004, when, you know, all the race is still around, it's not many Thai people, it's no Thai restaurant, and only job the Asian people can get is cleaning. You know, it's far too difficult as well. And then I end up in England in 2004. The music, like, I'm always love the music anyway. Uh in the highland, we were like, oh, Brit or American. Brit or American. I'm away more Brit kind of girl. I like the tune and everything. So it's not disappointing when I get here and it's like music everywhere and a mixed pot of people. You know, you're not just like a white guy, you see the black guy around the corner, the Asian, everything in London. Well, this might be just a perfect, just might be right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

That's interesting that you mentioned the diversity of the UK, and then you're you ended up in Tudmiden. How diverse is it?

SPEAKER_06 8:39

That is a destiny. Well, I think because London is great and it's very much fun, but I think it somehow it kind of feels like it's not home. You know, you cannot be home with London if you're not from there. Like I went to every pub. I tried to make lots of friends and kind of thing, but it never happened. I could never make friends in London. It's like a towel for people who are born there and already have connection, and they don't need more friends, basically. I think they have their own group of friends, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 9:15

Yeah, I lived in London for a year in my 20s, and I had the same experience. The the time went, my money went, and I was like, where are my friends? So I came back to Manchester. And I was like, ah, yeah, here you are.

SPEAKER_06 9:27

Yeah, you could feel it in the air, would you? Like, you can feel it like um if you were in Manchester. I I would like to look up to City Manchester or Liverpool that I might like to move to because it's more friendly, it's cheaper, people are more real, they're swearing on the street, people are fighting, kind of like, yeah, that's what I thought at that time.

SPEAKER_03 9:50

Nice. Okay. You mentioned that earlier on you were mentioning, you know, accepting yourself. And a part of what I do is encouraging people to do that through my work, especially second plus English speakers. And that's what this podcast is about, how language weaves in and out of identity. So, how has running a business in England in your second plus language weaved in and out of your identity? How has it shaped you?

SPEAKER_06 10:25

I never study business before, and then to jump in and to do my own business, it's all about the passion. Like, if you really want it, you will get it. Basically, I don't understand any law, any license, any letter from the council at all. But even like sometimes I get a really difficult letter, and then I'll ask the English guy, like, what does that mean? And then there's somehow like it's very cryptic from the cousin, like you may and may not, and you will get fine, and kind of thing. As long as we know like we're not breaking the law, and then we do what's right, follow the rules. I think it shaped me to become a person who has to read and like try to understand, yeah. I think the business just makes you work, right? If you were to stop, you don't have to worry about anything, you just go to work and get paid. But then you're the business owner, then you have to look at everything, the contract and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:24

And have there been many difficulties because of the language, not only in your businesses, but also just living, working in the UK?

SPEAKER_06 11:34

As a Thai person, I can speak English quite, you know, understandable. So when I first came to England, all the Thai people always asked me to go to help them translating and interpreting in the court or for the police, for the hospital and everything. So the agent know of me, so I got three agents who do interpreting for the north part of England. And then I'm just quite enjoying it to like go to see the different life and helping people and translate as much as I can. But then somehow, like, there was one day that I went to the court in Preston, and it's about uh the husband that killed his wife and have to translate to her mom about the word they about the confession and everything. At that point, and I thought, well, I'm not good enough. I need to go to study more. I did the job, but I didn't happy about myself. So I went back to Bradford University and do the interpreting course, you know, to make it like more correctly, more academy, and like if I'm not sure about something, how to make it more clear and qualify it to the client and everything. So I think it's very important because now it's not language, it's not for fun, it's not for just the journey and everything, but it's like in somebody's life. So, yeah, so I went back to do the diploma in interpreting. And then so when I went to the job, then I'm more confident on what I said.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

How about when you're at the Golden Lion and you're speaking to people in the bar? And are there any miscommunications or confusion going on?

SPEAKER_06 13:18

Yeah, so continuing from that, because I work as an interpreter, to speak like correctly English for me is working. It's like you have to use the brain and try to think of the grammar and try to like use the right word and kind of thing. So it's making me really tired and it feels like at work. So when I'm at the Golden Lion, I'm just like not at work. I can just say whatever I want. So I just like to say it, not thinking like when you just wake up and just say it anything, and then so I just always get it wrong, or we type things wrong on a Facebook, so then it becomes my identity. People know it's gig who's typing it because it's wrong. Like dance your teeth out, for example, it's become my quote because dance your teet out. I don't know, it's supposed to be dance your teeth off, but it still makes sense, right? Or people are packed today, kind of thing, but I just might spell it wrong or whatever. Yeah. But people come like, ah, it's kickballs, you can't speak English. But then I said, Well, don't you feel like you're in Bangkok right now? That's amazing. You don't have to pay for the ticket to go abroad. Just come golden lion when you feel like you're in Bangkok right now, and you can have a Thai food as well.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

Yeah, I love it. I love Bangkok. I love I love Thailand, I love Thai people. And I went there a couple of years ago. I was there for like three or four months. It was amazing.

SPEAKER_06 14:46

Oh, I'm glad you have a nice experience.

SPEAKER_03 14:49

Oh, it was beautiful. But I love this. I love your mantra, dance your tit out. We should have a t-shirt.

SPEAKER_06 14:55

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_03 14:56

We should make a t-shirt. We dance your tit out.

SPEAKER_06 14:58

Yeah, we have, we had. And then they have a teeth, tool teeth that you can cut it out by yourself. It's just like a little thingy, yeah. But also, because you went to Thailand, you have a a good experience. But like mostly the northern part, all the men, mine, or not all the men, mostly the men who went to Thailand to buy the women's, and like that is their destination to go to have sex as much as they can for two weeks and then come back and working, plumbing for more, and then go back to Thailand and have more sex. So when they come to the Golden Lion and saw the Thai people or Thai chef, and then they're like, oh, that woman I can buy, like how much or you know, what are you doing here? Like, are we have like are you selling sex upstairs and everything? So I think because people already racist on you. So I think I'm twisting that to be like, look, I can racist myself before you do it. I know what you're thinking, you know. I don't have to speak perfectly English to be who you think or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 15:58

Thanks for sharing that. So just to repeat what you said, you kind of be racist towards yourself so that other people don't get the opportunity to do that.

SPEAKER_06 16:09

If someone's gonna come to the bar and take a piece of myself, I'll be angry all day long because the only thing that I couldn't accept in the Golden Lion is the racism. You know, you can be violent, you can be everything I know, you go to the pub, and then people having that because of the alcohol or whatever. But if you have racism that is in the deep of your mind, right? That is can come out when you're drunk or not drunk anytime. So that is the only thing that is unacceptable for me. But then we got like a hundred and thousand people walk in the golden lion every day. If I think if we get rid of the racism, we might be bankrupt, huh? So we have to like um kind of like work with it. Yeah, I will use that word better.

SPEAKER_03 16:57

That's so interesting.

SPEAKER_06 16:58

Because I still want the money from the racist, of course. I want their money, but they can't race it.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

I'm in here for it.

SPEAKER_06 17:05

Take more money from them, shut them off. And not even let them to race it to you. Race it them first, actually.

SPEAKER_03 17:15

So just keeping with that theme, have you experienced much racism in the UK? And is it like face-to-face or is it systemic? Is it more to do with running the business behind the scenes?

SPEAKER_06 17:27

I got racist in Nepal, in Italy, like because they thought I'm Chinese, so they throw their firework at me and kind of thing, which is fine. But then at the end, like after three months, I can make them all friends. But I mean, at that time it could be dangerous as well, I'm not sure. And then I got racist in all the time in Halifax, in Hudderfield, in Bradford. I study in Halifax, I study in Hudderfield and I study in Bradford. And it's shocking that it's sometimes just like in the university areas or at the bus stop or whatever. The first few times I'm just kind of like, whoa, it's unacceptable, it's so depressed. But then coming back to friends and talk about it and like how do we reply this kind of person? It become like it's become a joke, it's become fun, it should be a workshop, how to reply with the racist and kind of thing. So I just laugh it off nowadays. Just like, wow, poor thing, you know, kind of thing. Hmm. Are you from Blackpool? No, it's bad, isn't it? No, no, don't do like the same thing what they did.

SPEAKER_05 18:41

Just can't, you just want to say something with you.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

So it's it feels like it's becoming more or again becoming acceptable in the UK to start being, you know, openly racist. So that's it's really important to have these conversations.

SPEAKER_06 18:57

Especially if you can't speak English and if you can't reply, then then they'll get more and more bully to you. Because they're like, oh, do not understand. What a laugh, like you know, like joke. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:09

I hear you. So how do you respond then? I mean, I love this idea for a workshop, how to talk to racists.

SPEAKER_06 19:15

Yeah, yeah. I think everyone should have because like they were thinking about like people like us, we can protect ourselves, right? But what about young Asian students who come to study and they didn't know this is existing and how do they respond, you know? So I think we should. I don't know which what is the right thing to say, but maybe just give them a confidence like, okay, I'm going to do master's degree, and you, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 19:44

I feel like there is also this systemic thing or systemic prejudice against people with accents. So some of my clients will work in the UK in an office, and there's even like unconscious bias towards people who have an accent. I mean, everyone's got an accent, but there's just bias towards people who have an accent, like, oh, they can't understand, or they need training, or people who have a who have an accent aren't as professional or intelligent. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_06 20:18

If you're working behind my bar and have all the accent as much as you need, I think it's charming, it's lovely, it's great.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

The point of speaking is to deliver your message and to communicate your message. So does it matter if it's perfectly grammatically okay or if you use the wrong word? What do you think? Does it matter?

SPEAKER_06 20:39

It's I don't know, it's actually like the language is not that difficult at all. I I went to a lot of party that uh like with the French people and Italian people. And then um, I don't know if this is a good example or not. So you will sit with another 10 people and then they all speak Italian or French or whatever. You might not understand the whole full thing. You might know one or two words, or you might not understand at all. But then I get to know those people more than normal because I can observe their, you know, body language, their kindness, their caring and what they try to do without the language. Lots of the time I read people by not understanding what they speak. But that is very abstract, isn't it? You want to know the real world that is a language is important or not. But the thing that annoying me is, for example, if the people pretend not to understand what I say because of my accent, you know, then it would become annoying, isn't it? What do you say? What do you say? Like, you know, sometimes customers just come in like what did she say? Kind of thing like that. And now like am I speaking? Very bad English language. I just say two pounds per pint and then two pound.

SPEAKER_03 22:13

How does that make you feel in the moment?

SPEAKER_06 22:16

It depends. If I'm in the bad day, like a laugh. If I'm in a good day, it's like, okay, do you want to teach me English language? Gordon, should I teach you some Thai language? Can you speak any Thai at all? No, I don't think so. No, you cannot, can you? If I'm in a good day, I can negotiate.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:39

If in a bad day is like it's no tolerant, like this.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

Yeah. So it depends on your mood on the day. But at the same time, I feel like you shouldn't have to deal with that kind of, you know, that kind of business. Yeah, that nonsense. Yeah, you shouldn't have to deal with that.

SPEAKER_06 22:56

Yeah. Yeah, people have a moment, you know, they might just feel bad about themselves. And if they've can degrade the other person and make them feel better, then they'll come in the pub and doing that. So you have to remember that all the time. So sometimes it's not you. Sometimes it's just them, you know?

SPEAKER_03 23:17

I think probably all the time it's them. So you speak Thai, you speak English, right? Do you speak any other languages?

SPEAKER_06 23:28

So I did learn a little bit of Italian about uh 15 years ago, but I kind of forget and I learn Japanese, learn net uh Netherland, because I think it's respectful when you go to other people's country or to live in in the other country to at least know their language and learn and try to speak, even like you not speak perfectly. So I I did try to learn a lot of language. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:52

For many of my clients, they try to become so perfect that they forget that the point of communicating is connecting with people, you know, in general. So what advice would you give to people? You live in the UK, you run your own business, you lived in Australia, you moved around the world, you speak to millions of people in English. What advice would you give?

SPEAKER_06 24:17

When you get older and older, it's really hard to remember the words. I do sometimes as well because I study lots of language. When you and then when you're not meeting people as well, when you were at home. For example, you are the person who comes to live in England and you were alone, you have no partner, you have no friend, of course you're not going to be able to use that language every day, right? Then you start to forget. It's not that you've been stupid, but it's because of you haven't been using your brain, haven't been using it. You didn't recognize it and kind of thing. So my advice, the only thing that it can keep you in the loop is reading. If you read, you recognize the word. You remember how to use it, or watching tele in English. At least if you think you're gonna lose all the words, you're gonna forgot all the words, at least try to like keep connected with something, reading or watching tele. And then you come out of the house, you speak like a television. Not that I have time to do that, I don't have time to read or watching anything. But I just, you know, speak to people and become very Yorkshire. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

I love uh the Yorkshire accent and Yorkshire in England. Thai Yorkshire. Thai Yorkshire, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:34

And I mean like and it's no right and no wrong, like, you know, Americans speak one thing, Australians speak one thing, and English speak one thing. I got BM British Medal Award kind of thing two years ago. And I don't think I could speak like Posh people at all. So don't ever think if you not speak standard English and you cannot get into the society. I think actually it's about your idea, what you want to communicate. Is it interesting? That is the main thing. It's not the word is interesting, it's your idea. Is it interesting?

SPEAKER_03 26:18

You have um presence as well. Like you have presence and you're fabulous.

SPEAKER_06 26:25

And so there's also that what's really ugly in in Thailand. I was an ugly dog, like in in high school. Someone called me like, whoa, look at you, you like the truck running off your face.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

Oh my god. That is savage.

SPEAKER_05 26:43

Small eyes, small nose, like they'll say, like, oh, sometimes they call me like a tofu, like you got no shape.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

Oh my god, that's awful.

SPEAKER_05 26:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

But you still got absolutely amazing presence, you know, fierce. So I know that you speak Thai, you speak English, you you mentioned the other languages, but do you feel like the same person when you speak Thai and when you speak English?

SPEAKER_06 27:16

I think I'm pretty much the same because I went back to Thailand and then my Thai friend would say, How can you speak English like you speak Thai? You know, the expression, the everything I like, you know, how did English people understand you? You know, when you went to abroad and come back to Thailand, you're like, um, yeah, I would like to have this and that, you know. But I didn't speak like that. And then my friend said, You speak like Thai people. How did they understand you? I said, I don't know. You just speak like who you are. Yeah. So I think, no, I think it's the same.

SPEAKER_03 27:47

Did it take some work? Did you always feel like that, or is that recent?

SPEAKER_06 27:52

To speak like a Thai.

SPEAKER_03 27:54

To speak to You know, okay, I'll tell you, you my clients come to me and their big issue is they can't connect to themselves. They don't feel like themselves. When they speak English, when they speak their main language, of course, it's their main language. But when they come to English, they're like, I feel so disconnected.

SPEAKER_06 28:14

Formal. They have to be formal.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

Yeah, more formal, a different version. They don't feel like they have personality, they feel boring. So how do you how did you get to that point where when you speak English, you feel like yourself? How did you do that?

SPEAKER_06 28:32

I don't have much grammar to because like in Thailand, the grammar is different from England, right? For example, like I ate rice yesterday. So I kind of sometimes just forget about the grammar because I'm lazy. I understand that. But also how to become yourself is like when you start to dreaming in English language, that's when you become like what? So ask your client to dream in English language.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

Oh my god, the biggest tip. The biggest tip for your clients start dreaming in English.

SPEAKER_06 29:14

Yes, it's to like subconscious. You become the whole. It's not like can you imagine you move to Eng England and then when are you starting? Are you like a native English or do you speak other language? Are you a native?

SPEAKER_03 29:34

Yeah, English is my first language. I speak, I speak and understand some Punjabi, my parents' language.

SPEAKER_06 29:40

Have you ever dreamed in Punjabi yet?

SPEAKER_03 29:42

Never, never. And Portuguese as well, never.

SPEAKER_06 29:46

Oh yes.

SPEAKER_05 29:49

They got a dream workshop you can try.

SPEAKER_03 29:53

Just press subscribe and you can buy.

SPEAKER_05 29:57

No, we're gonna make one.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

Yeah, well, we've got a few workshops that we need to prepare. How to talk to race racists.

SPEAKER_05 30:05

Kind of pussy, dream workshop.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

Before I um press record, you were talking about kind of pussy. Can you explain what that is? I thought the idea was incredible.

SPEAKER_06 30:18

So last week I mailed it because like all my friends like from all over like Italian, Belfast, Switzerland, they will put the money together for my birthday. I didn't even need it. And I don't know what to buy. And then I just be like sleeping for one night. Like, what do I do with this money? But I said thank you to everyone, and I said I will use it in a very um important and good way. So I promised Daniel mom, Daniel Crazy P that I'm gonna make the Daniel Moore foundation. And I want to do it. But then if I make the foundation, what I'm gonna do with it? What I'm gonna do with my money, then it becomes like, thank that I want to do the kind of pussy, you know, like uh helping women with every problem. I don't know what is the women's problem, menopause, anxiety, suicidal diet, uh, everything. Like, you know, bread work, like we would need you. I think like, I mean, men got it too, but I think it's like I need a group for women that it is kind of friendly, kind of just drop in for tea and coffee, and then you know, every two weeks and we catch up. And I might not save everyone, but if I save someone, I would be happy. Yeah, that what I want to kind of pussy. But I don't think that we were allowed to use that name, you know. So Golden Lion, ginger tiger, kind of pussy. No, not gonna happen. But but it the project will happen, but I don't know what the name yet. This is another problem of the people who cannot speak English.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

What is that?

SPEAKER_06 32:00

Kind of pussy.

SPEAKER_05 32:06

That's why it's always come out wrong.

SPEAKER_03 32:11

Well, I think the project, regardless of what the name's gonna be, sounds beautiful and full of heart, and I really support it and I hope it comes together. And I'd love to offer if you want a man there, I would love to offer some breath work or mindfulness, you know, or whatever can help if in any way. That sounds incredible, and I wish you all the luck with that.

SPEAKER_06 32:34

Thank you so much. I wish you all the luck with your dream as well. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 32:41

Thank you. I yeah, and I will try and dream in Punjabi. That's my dream. Thank you so much for joining today. I've really enjoyed it. You are a brilliant energy. So thank you.

SPEAKER_06 32:56

Have a good day. Dance your tit out. Dance your tit out.

SPEAKER_03 33:00

Dance your tit out. Dance your tit out. Uh any final words?

SPEAKER_06 33:07

Dance your tit out.

SPEAKER_03 33:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 33:10

No sorry. No, final word. I think like um people can live everywhere in the world. I I don't understand any language. I was in the bus for 19 hours, but I have the best journey area. You don't need to understand, but you know, the act. It just don't need the language at all. Most of the time that I travel around the world, I I don't need the language. I enjoy it more without language, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 33:40

Oh my god, amazing. So the the big the big final word was you don't even need language. Just go, just go.

SPEAKER_06 33:48

Yeah, yeah. I've been to China, I've been to Korea, I've been to everywhere, and I live for months, and I d I can't speak that language. I didn't use Google Translate, but somehow you got your body, you know, you got your hand, you got your eyes, you know. Got your heart. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

Cheesy!

SPEAKER_03 34:10

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