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The Rhythm of Community: Dr. Moriah Hargrave's Dance Journey
The heartbeat of Cajun and Creole culture pulses through every movement of traditional Zydeco dancing—an art form Dr. Moriah Hargrave has dedicated her life to preserving and sharing. In this illuminating conversation, we explore the rich historical tapestry of this uniquely Louisiana tradition, from its early 20th century roots in Jure and Lala music to its modern expressions.
Dr. Hargrave's journey from dancing on her father's feet as a child to becoming a celebrated dance instructor reveals how deeply personal connections fuel cultural preservation. Her warm recollections of learning Cajun two-step from her grandmother and watching her parents dance created the foundation for what would become both a passion and profession. When she describes how dancing made her feel "secure and happy," we understand how these traditional art forms nurture both individual joy and community bonds.
The conversation delves into fascinating territory when Dr. Hargrave explains how dance instruction often becomes relationship therapy. Her anecdotes about dominant Cajun women bringing reluctant husbands for lessons offer surprising insights into regional gender dynamics and how dance creates space for rebalancing these relationships. "Men want to know how to do it correctly," she explains, highlighting how her teaching builds confidence while honoring cultural roles.
What makes this discussion particularly valuable is Dr. Hargrave's perspective on cultural preservation. Rather than lamenting a dying tradition, she celebrates how Zydeco continues evolving while maintaining its essential purpose: bringing people together. "You can dance in somebody's arms and not realize what their political tendencies are," she notes, pointing to dance's unique power to transcend social divisions in our increasingly fragmented world.
From producing a documentary film to teaching at international festivals, Dr. Hargrave's work demonstrates how passionate cultural ambassadors can build bridges across continents. Her upcoming appearance at Europe's largest Celtic festival represents nine years of collaborative effort to showcase Louisiana's vibrant heritage on a global stage.
Ready to experience this joyful tradition yourself? Follow Flourish Forever on social media and discover how Zydeco dancing might become your own pathway to cultural connection and personal joy.
You're going to teach me how to dance one of these days, so I'll be able to get out there. That's my goal the whole world. Right, right, We'll do more of that. So what first drew you to this style of dance? How did that all come about?
Speaker 3:Welcome to Posture and Purpose, where both healing and community come together. Make sure to subscribe on Apple, spotify and YouTube. Let's get into this episode with Dr Michelle Carr-Frank.
Speaker 1:Dr Mariah Hargrave's passion is sharing her various projects, which stem from her Louisiana-themed lifestyle brand, Flourish Forever. Dr Hargrave was born and raised here in Lafayette, Louisiana, the heart of Cajun and Creole country. She has embraced her role as a multilingual scholar who is deeply rooted in her own Cajun and French Creole heritage. Dr Hargrave is also a proficient Cajun and Zodico dance instructor, as well as a passionate health advocate. She also focuses on bringing the community together through fun, culture and fitness, so her participants can flourish forever. Welcome, Dr Hargrave. Thank you for being here. I'm so excited to have you here. I've been wanting to speak with you on this level for a long time. I get you all to myself now, but now all of our listeners can also enjoy your company. So tell us. I want to know about the origins of traditional Zydeco dancing. Can you tell us a little?
Speaker 2:bit about that, absolutely so.
Speaker 2:Zydeco dancing started out in the 19th I'm sorry, in the early 20th century and the roots were from a couple of different music styles that I would say our modern audiences probably aren't as familiar with, because before it was called Zydeco it came from Jure and it evolved into Lala and then it started becoming called Zydeco and people really didn't have a name for the dancing that emerged from that. But the dancing was very much done in like a closed position. It was very much, uh, done in like a closed position. It was very intimate. It was very african and caribbean in its roots and style and um, and the roots with the music itself was which meant to, to swear, to testify, so it was that acapella call and response, clapping, stomping style of music. Um, that comes from, you know, people who were enslaved in this area, and then it eventually emerged into lala and that was something that even like, if you talk to someone like uh, rockin dupesie jr or somebody like that, he talks about how his family never even called it zydeco, it was always, always Lala.
Speaker 2:So, Zydeco emerged really strong in the 60s when Clifton Chenier came out with his song Les Zydecos en Pasolet, and that was just a tribute to the phrase of how, like a response to how people were doing, and Les Zydecos en Pasolet meant the snap beans ain't salty, which meant that times are so tough I can't even afford to put meat in the beans. I can't put the salt ham in the beans.
Speaker 2:So, that was kind of how that song developed. And then he popularized the song and the expression and they just started calling it Zydeco, and so that's a very quick synopsis. But the style of dancing really, I think started in the early 20th century, but it kind of took off closer to the mid-20th century like what we know of as today, and of course it's still evolving.
Speaker 1:Yes, and so popular. At least, I absolutely love and I enjoy watching, but you're going to teach me how to dance one of these days.
Speaker 2:I hope so, so I'll be able to get out there. That's my goal.
Speaker 1:the whole world. Right, right, we'll do more of that. So what first drew you to this style of dance? How did that all come about?
Speaker 2:Well, when I was younger, I just remember my happiest moments, I think, being on the dance floor or connecting with someone that was very special to me. I remember just learning how to kind of move to the music on my dad's feet. He would put me on his feet and dance me around the kitchen. I have like really early and fond memories of learning the specific style of how to Cajun two-step with my grandma on my mom's side.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was the first time I started realizing like there's different styles and there are actual steps to this thing, because I think with my dad and family and just a lot of families in this area, I think we're so used to just kind of moving to the beat but we don't necessarily know that there's different steps and styles involved.
Speaker 2:And so that was the first time I remember that connection being made, and I was probably seven or eight. And then there was another time when I was at an East family reunion and it was a wedding I'm sorry, it was one of our weddings and my grandma East taught me how to jitterbug, and I just remember the challenge and the excitement and the connection that I felt with her in that moment, and so those were just some of the special memories that I had, and also just seeing my parents dance, who, you know, they weren't like proficient dancers, but they both had rhythm and they could move, and I just remember thinking as a child that when that happened I just felt so secure and so happy that they were enjoying themselves, and so for me it was just something very warm and almost necessary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that happiness brought people together. Literally.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, oh God, that's a wonderful, wonderful memory, and so my next question was was it passed down through your family? You said your parents could, you know, move and dance, but was the Zydeco style something you discovered?
Speaker 2:later. Yes, zydeco I discovered later for sure. Cajun dancing, I feel like, was always kind of a part of my experience growing up. My sister had taken classes at one point and then she would come home and teach me how to Cajun dance and she would teach me different styles but she would never be able to learn from, like, the follower sides or, I'm sorry, from the leader side. So she would always make me be the leader and she was like, well, these are the steps, but I only know the follower part and so I would have to learn it opposite, as the lead, and I was.
Speaker 2:I probably was in high school at that point and that's when we started going to some of the festivals and stuff like that and um, and then I really started dancing in college a lot and I had a friend from Kaplan who was a phenomenal dancer and he Cajun danced and he taught me some very basic Zydeco dancing and we would go see some of the Zydeco bands and that was when I realized, oh goodness, there's like this whole other culture whole other world that I need to, that I need to embrace and absorb, and and so I did and I kind of went full throttle obsessed with it for a very long time, all throughout my college years, even when I was getting my doctorate at Arkansas state.
Speaker 2:I would still come back home and I would manage festival festivals like I'd be in Crayola, like the stages for some of those festivals and Festival International, and then I would also go to the trail rides and just do things that were really fun and really just rooted in the culture and a different part of the culture.
Speaker 1:Now you said you got your doctorate at Arkansas State University. I did Tell us what brought you to Arkansas. Did you go to UL?
Speaker 2:I did so. I got a bachelor's in Francophone Studies, which is like French literature, minored in German and Spanish at UL. And then I got a master's in interpersonal, interpersonal and organizational communication and my focus for that was, I guess, intercultural relations and the print media coverage for festivals like Hadiyah and Creole, kind of how that developed over time. And then and then I went on to get a doctorate, simply because UL and the communication department at UL was more interested in a quantitative analysis. And that's not how my brain works. I'm more qualitative and artistic, and so it was very difficult for me to produce what they wanted in that master's of science kind of degree. But I did that.
Speaker 2:But I had already accumulated so many interviews with different musicians that they said weren't really necessary for my master's thesis, and so I thought, well, I can't just let all this go to waste, I might as well just get a doctorate. So that, literally, was the thinking. It wasn't ever a goal to get a master's or a PhD. I didn't care about education, I just liked to learn. You know, I didn't care about the credentials and yeah. So that was kind of how that happened. And then Arkansas State was the only university in the country that had a heritage studies PhD program. Most of the other ones had folklore, which is semi my background, but it was a little too specific, or they had history, and that was definitely not my background or interest. And so this program was interdisciplinary and it just kind of drew in filmmakers and cultural scholars and museum directors and people who were interested in taking culture and putting it into the public's hands in a way that they could enjoy and appreciate. And so that's how I ended up there, yeah.
Speaker 1:So tell me about one of the most interesting musicians maybe that you've worked with or interviewed.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, I don't even know where to start without. I mean, Wayne Tubbs is one of the people I think about. Of course, he's from Crowley. Maybe that's why I'm thinking about it, because you're married to a Crowley boy.
Speaker 1:Maybe, so, Good Crowley.
Speaker 2:You know a Crowley boy Maybe so Good Crowley, you know he's precious. He's been a friend for at least two decades at this point and has always supported me. I think I was like this cute little college kid that he was trying to help out. You know, every time and I always had, you know, these little interviews and stuff, and so he accommodated me all the time. You know, he was just very, very kind and generous with his time and uh and then and he's brought so much to well, he's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was actually.
Speaker 2:I agree, I was just at the country music festival in Nashville uh this past weekend and I was just thinking man Wayne Tubes needs a stage here, like he could.
Speaker 3:He could totally rock these people in this crowd?
Speaker 2:It would be so great and I was actually remembering years ago, because I spent a lot of time in Nashville with my job as a student at Arkansas State, because our job was working with the Johnny Cash family and all of them.
Speaker 2:So I went to actually see Johnny Cash's sister. She's a phenomenal singer, gospel singer. I just saw her this past weekend and, um, and yeah, so we just. I just remember being in Nashville a long time ago and seeing a poster with Wayne Toopes on it and just thinking, man, he's even here, you know he's just great.
Speaker 1:It's wonderful, yeah, and J.
Speaker 2:Paul Jr, I think, is just one of my absolute favorite musicians, artists. He's from Houston, he plays Zydeco but he's really infused so much of hip hop and just different sounds. But he also has like a slide guitar and accordion, changing things up a little bit yeah absolutely, and it's just a beautiful, beautiful mix, and so, yeah, I'm in touch with Akon's manager. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1:Oh, keep me posted. Next episode. How do you feel that dance reflects or even preserves one's culture or heritage here in Louisiana, or with your experience in music and dancing altogether?
Speaker 2:Well, I hear I heard this, in fact this week by someone, and it always kind of rubs me the wrong way because they'll say, oh, the culture is dying, the culture is almost dead. People don't speak the language, people. And you know, for someone who's, I feel, still has a very strong pulse on the culture, it's not just about the language, it's not just about even the music, it's about all of it. It's about having a reason for people to get together. So when a family kind of disbands and dissipates, it's because they're not getting together Right. So I think that's the biggest thing for me with the culture in this community is that we always have reasons to get together.
Speaker 2:We have festivals and we have dances and music and food and all the things, and when you stop doing that, that's when parts of this culture die, or maybe people just fall off. But really I think dancing is just a huge part of keeping our community connected, because everyone has their own opinion about politics and about religion and about you know how to, you know education or whatever it is.
Speaker 2:You know, we all have strong opinions, or some of us like me, or they don't have strong opinions about some of those things. But if they, if they do this is one of those things that you know you can dance in somebody's arm and arms and not realize what their political tendencies or persuasions or educational background is, and it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 1:None of that matters. It doesn't matter because, like you, bringing it back to dancing with your grandmother, it's a happy experience. It's a joyful experience shared between two people for just a moment, and then the real world is just waiting on the side. It'll be back when we need it, but in that moment it brings joy to people.
Speaker 2:And I think it evens the scales or balances the scales. It really just takes out a lot of the ugly things that the news might want to try to focus on and divide us with Right, right.
Speaker 1:And when did you realize that this dancing and this passion of yours could also be a platform for a business?
Speaker 2:Well, that was when I got back from Arkansas with having completed the doctorate, I needed to put my brain in the freezer and I just remember Chubby Carrier calling me one day. And he said chubby carrier calling me one day and he said, hey, there's this event called cycle zydeco that I knew about because one of my good friends, simone sanchez, had started that back when she was working at lafayette visitor center, and so that had been going on for several years and it sounded like a cool event, all these cyclists coming in from all over the country and other parts of the world too, and they would cycle around acadiana and then they would have little pit stops and live music and dance lessons and stuff like that. And so Chubby was playing for this and he said that they were looking for someone to teach the dance lesson. And I just remember thinking, well, yeah, I can do that.
Speaker 1:What a compliment. Chubby Carrier calls you to come teach some dance lessons. That's awesome yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and and he was just uh, he was also uh, like we were friends. You know, I was really close with his wife at the time and so his wife at the time. We're still friends, me and the wife, but she's an ex-wife.
Speaker 2:But my point is my point is that she uh, she and I were really close and so he wanted to, I guess, bring me into something he knew I was very passionate about. And there was an opportunity there and to this day I'm still their dance instructor for that particular event, which means a lot to me. I just love working with that event and that organization. But that was when I started. That's when I had my first official job, if you will, as a dance teacher. But then I would go out dancing and people just kept coming up to me and asking for private lessons and so I thought, well, I guess I'm going to have to learn how to teach this stuff, because I just have been doing it and having fun with it.
Speaker 2:And then I had to find a place so I didn't know where to go. And Frank Randall at the Randalls that that closed and yeah, they transitioned, they moved to to Brobridge, so I guess it's okay, it's still alive, but, um, not in Lafayette anymore. And but Frank, mr Frank was just so kind, so generous. He invited me to just teach my dance lessons before the restaurant opened. So I went there for years, you know, maybe three or four years, um, and started teaching, you know group classes and private lessons, and he even put my name on the marquee. That made me feel really important at the time, Of course, the Knights.
Speaker 2:That's wonderful yeah so it just kind of developed and then I ended up really establishing something that would be sustainable and organized and I'm finally getting to a point where I think I can start training other people to do this and maybe kind of spread the love that way and and hopefully make a little more of a valid career. Because, honestly, when I first started teaching dance lessons, I was, like Some of the people that I love dancing with and who were great dancers, just didn't think that I would ever make a business out of it. They just thought everyone here knows how to dance. And they told me that Not the case?
Speaker 2:No, it's not. The majority of my clientele is local. And they said when I first started well, you know, good luck with that, Everybody knows how to dance here.
Speaker 1:And I thought, okay, well, I'm still getting called and people are still asking me to do this In demand. Yes, you know, yeah, and there's so many venues you know that you can go and hear the music. Is there a special venue or a place that you like to go in particular?
Speaker 2:I like all the places. I love going to the Warehouse 535. I like that. They have a really great vibe there. Knox and Doosan is the latest one. It's so, so great. That's on Saturday mornings. I think they're trying to do something there.
Speaker 1:My husband and I just went to Cypress Cove.
Speaker 2:Have you been to Cypress Cove? I haven't been there yet. I haven't been there yet. It's beautiful, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:And fun, awesome and fun yeah, that's Jordan Thibodeau's.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, but you need to teach us how to dance so we can go, and actually I know he talked to me a while back about maybe doing something over there, so maybe we just need to, maybe we just need to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let me know, let me know, and uh, were there any personal moments that that you experienced through these classes or through, you know, meeting these people that pushed you into entrepreneurship? Okay, okay, I'm going to show you. You don't think people need dance lessons. Maybe they do. Let me show you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think I was that sweet about it in my attitude, but yeah, we can imagine right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just thought really Sometimes we all need that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're telling me I can't do this. Okay, sometimes that's healthy. I even had someone, whenever I got married or got engaged, who told me it was a male, of course, and he said he said, well, you know, you're not going to get any more clients now that you're married. And I just thought, wow, this is what you've been here for this whole time. I had no idea. Sorry to disappoint you but the rest of the world's going to move on and they're going to be fine.
Speaker 2:And we're going to continue on with the dance lessons.
Speaker 1:Next.
Speaker 2:And just kind of a full circle moment. I did happen to run into him years later and he was just like are you still teaching dance lessons? And I said yes, as a matter of fact, I am Through my pregnancy through my marriage.
Speaker 1:I know it's been going on this whole time and it's been going on this whole time and it's been great to watch you. I've watched you on social media and I just love it, so how can people find you on social media?
Speaker 2:Well, I have a personal page and then I have a business page. I used to have like four business pages, but I'm in this process yeah, streamlining, consolidating. Gracie McNabb is a local brand genius and she's been helping me as a friend just get my life together so that's been nice.
Speaker 2:we all need that, yeah yeah she's just like you're pouring into way too many funnels. You know like this is. These are all great ideas, but we can make this happen with one business page. So my business page is flourish forever and that's on facebook and instagram, and then my personal is mariah Hargrave.
Speaker 1:Okay, Well, y'all heard it here Go and follow her so you can sign up and learn how to dance. So I was wondering if you have a special story, anything that really stands out in your memory, like either a couple that you taught how to dance or a special event that you were asked to be at that you thought, okay, this has really made a difference in my life.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess I'm thinking about several couples. I think that's where my attender spot is for me is when I have a very dominant Cajun female coming in with her husband who's got his tail tucked between his legs and his head's down and he doesn't want to be there, and she's just letting me know, like hey, I know how to dance, you need to teach him, this is how this needs to go, and that's happened to me I can't tell you how many times just for a couple of private lessons, because women here just are bossy.
Speaker 2:We're really strong. It's a matriarchal society and the men need to just, you know, get in shape, and we're here to help them.
Speaker 2:You know, and and man, it's been so like good for me, as a very dominant, independent female, to just kind of recognize that that's maybe not the most helpful approach and to also be able to just help her by saying well, he's never going to learn with that attitude, you know and just kind of say that nicely, just kind of joking and just kind of putting her in her place in a sweet way, and then a lot of times he'll kind of puff out and chest will come out and yeah, woman, listen to me, this is how we're supposed to be dancing, I'm the leader here, and then you can just see that shift in the in the lesson and it usually happens like within the first 15 minutes or so, and it's not every couple, it's not every couple, but it it's been, that's been a running theme and it just made me think, man, I probably need to do couple dance therapy or something you know, because just in my own relationship and just being so strong and my husband being very strong, but he's also just compliant and passive and kind and gentle, and so it's like when you see that they're deflating right before your eyes, you just need to learn how to not be so obnoxious, get them on the dance floor, exactly. But men, at least in my experience, they want to know how to do it correctly and they're not willing to risk their appearance and reputation and looking silly, and so dancing feels that way for a lot of guys and I understand that aspect and I really feel like that's something I'm gifted in acknowledging and noticing and then being able to correct, because they have every ability to take the lead and do a phenomenal job as a dance leader in that partnership, but it's just the confidence and the know-how Shake it off, just relax and just let the music
Speaker 1:lead you right and how do you feel that through these dance lessons and all the work you've done to honor the tradition of Zydeco dancing, how do you feel like you've made it accessible to a wider audience? Like, of course we know about the Louisiana culture, but you mentioned going to Nashville. That's wonderful, you know. Do they know what Zydeco dancing is there? Like, how do you get all that to this modern community in Lafayette?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, for several years I did some touring with some of the musicians like Steve Riley and Jeffrey Broussard, and I don't even I can't remember all. Just a lot of different groups. Yeah, I don't even I can't remember all just a lot of different groups.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we would go to like Rhode Island or we'd go to yeah, like there was a camp up in upstate New York called Ashokan Music and Dance Camp with Jay Ungar, who is an amazing musician and folk artist, and so he invited us to go and teach dance lessons there for those workshops and we would just spend the whole week at camp just teaching people how to do that from all over the country, you know and um and upstate New York.
Speaker 1:What do you know where it was near.
Speaker 2:Well, it was actually not far from Woodstock.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:My family's from upstate New York. That's why I asked oh this is the Ashokan region.
Speaker 2:That's the name of the region. It's a whole um. This is the Ashokan region. That's the name of the region. It's a whole region in that area.
Speaker 1:That's far from home.
Speaker 2:Yes, it is. But the documentary film that I did, I think, brought a lot of awareness and interest in the culture and the music work, which is where you not only or exclusively get dressed out, but it's kind of like you can go and live out like a mid-18th century persona and then educate people from that and you're camping and you're. I did a lot of a lot of camps in like Illinois or Indiana and Ohio and they all knew I was from Louisiana. I taught Cajun and Zodico dancing. That was my interest, my passion, and so I guess it just I made a lot of connections that way.
Speaker 2:And then we were also connected to a group from Brittany, france, and so I'm going to be going there in August for the biggest. It's called the Festival Interceltique de l'Orient and it's the biggest Celtic festival in Europe, and so they've invited Louisiana to actually have a presence this year for the first time. But we've been working on that collaboration for nine years, so to see that coming to life is exciting. They've asked me to show the documentary and then I'll also be teaching dance lessons there. So it's just like, I think, just kind of been living your life and just doing what you think you are supposed to be doing in that moment, your passion, it just, it kind of like just spreads and you end up meeting the right people and making the right connections and it happens, it just happens what's the name of?
Speaker 2:your documentary. Can we find it? Yeah, it's called first cousins, cajun and creole music in south louisiana and it's on my website, which is flourish forevercom, and the flourish is spelled with ane like flirtally yes, okay, and I want to know what a typical week looks like for you.
Speaker 1:Well, I know you're married, you have a son and you sounds like you're a very busy lady.
Speaker 2:Well, since I've had my son, I feel like my life got a lot more organized. I know that that's the opposite from what I've heard.
Speaker 2:I think that's why I hesitated so long and having children, because I kept hearing that your life is going to stop, you're not going to be able to travel, you're not going to be able to go anywhere or do anything and, honestly, it's been the complete opposite, which is just insane to me. I've definitely not experienced that I've been more free if not as ever, I guess, if not more as a mom.
Speaker 2:Yeah because I really had to get more structured with my routine. I get up at six in the gym by 630. I finish my workout by eight. And also my devotions and my prayer time. All of that's happening. Worship, all that's going on while I'm working out and I'm podcasting. You know what I need to feed my soul for the day. And then by the time I get home at eight, I take over and I take care of my baby boy Kane, and then you know it's nap time. I have a couple hours to tend to emails and stuff like that, and then he wakes up and then my husband takes over at five and so he'll do dinner, and then I have a couple hours of office time in the evenings and then we try to have at least an hour or two to connect and hang out while he's in bed, and and then we just do it all over again life, life as it unfolds, and can you recall an instance where your dance business helped you to reconnect others with their identity or heritage?
Speaker 1:I know Zydeco is, you know, very popular but with different people and different cultures here in Lafayette. Do you remember one instance where you connected someone to Zydeco and they said maybe my family used to Zydeco dance but we haven't done it since my grandfather passed, or anything like that?
Speaker 2:I can't think of anything, to be honest with you. I'm thinking about my friend, gracie, who moved back here from Colorado and was already kind of dancing, but she started coming to my workshops and learning how to dance. But I can't think of any specific instance like that.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, I always like to ask this as my last question how do you maintain your posture while pursuing your purpose in life?
Speaker 2:I love that question. I think for me it's just my quiet time with Jesus in the morning. That kind of helps me regain whatever footing I've lost, you know, throughout the day before. I try to do this on a daily basis, sometimes multiple times a day. If the day is hard For me, it's just really hard to pour into so many people if I'm not getting poured into and it affects every facet of every relationship.
Speaker 2:I'm also supporting my husband in his endeavors. He's a personal trainer in Lafayette but he didn't always do that, so he's launching his business and we just feel very much called to doing this. It doesn't feel like a job, it feels like a ministry, it feels like a calling. So it's something that we want to be fully energized and responsive to, if that makes sense. Like I don't want to just be willy-nilly and I think for many years that I was I was very passionate, but I was also running myself in the ground and I still had the energy to handle it because I was in my 20s, even early thirties. I just didn't really feel like I needed to take the time or like I had the time to actually sit down and make a plan and strategize and think about where I was headed. And I'm 41 now and I just feel so different in my approach. I just feel like most of my connections and and business goals and all of those things are so much more intentional because I really can't afford to waste any time.
Speaker 1:Time. We all need more of it, but it sounds like you're very centered and you're definitely on the right path and thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate.
Speaker 2:It was nice having you it was nice chatting with you, Dr Michelle Carr. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. It was nice having you today. It was nice chatting with you, Dr Michelle Carr.
Speaker 3:Thank you. Thanks for listening to the Posture and Purpose Podcast with Dr Michelle Carr Frank. Make sure to subscribe on YouTube, spotify and Apple Podcasts Until next time.