Episode 5: Fear

What was Rachel afraid of?

This episode of the podcast focuses on exes. 

An Ex boyfriend and an Ex employer.

First, we walk you through Rachel's rocky relationship with Gabe, one of her ex boyfriends and share some information we have about his whereabouts the night of the crime.

Next, we chat with you about the owners of the ranch where Rachel worked, and was evicted from, just before she was murdered. They have been under fire by the public since day one of this case.

The real question we have is, what (or who) was Rachel so afraid that she decided she needed a gun?

Transcript

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We know from a source that, like many teenagers, they met at a party when Rachel was around 17 years old and started dating. Gabe went to Canyon Valley High School, which is an alternative high school in Gilbert, Arizona. It's described on its website as a school tailored for students seeking kind of a smaller judgment-free setting. When Gabe and Rachel started dating, she really quickly kind of started to spend a lot of time with their family and they really liked getting to know her. They would take trips on the lake, and his family even took Rachel to Vegas with them one time on a family trip. Gabe and Rachel were together for about two years, but we know that their relationship was fraught with complications and volatility. And this is due to both of them having some troubles in various ways. During one of the trips with Gabe's family that Rachel was invited to attend, there was some problematic behavior that actually had members of Gabe's family concerned about Rachel's overall health and well-being. And Gabe had actually used the word that at times he felt manipulated by some of Rachel's behavior, but Gabe himself also struggled with some issues of his own. And together the two of them had a pretty volatile up and down relationship. Gabe was mentioned to us by multiple people throughout the course of our investigating this podcast. So as we've spoken to sources, he's come up time and time again as someone that we should be looking into. As we started to look into Gabe, we did see that Gabe and Rachel's relationship was very rocky, that Gabe's relationship with Rachel's parents sounds like maybe it wasn't a very positive relationship ultimately. One of the reasons we believe that Gabe's name was brought up to us early and often is that Gabe does have a criminal history. But more importantly, I think a few sources have told us that Gabe and Rachel's relationship was so volatile at times that there had been numerous calls to the police for domestic violence issues, and that even people in Gabe's own family really did not think Rachel and Gabe should continue to move forward in their relationship because it started to feel, in their terms, quote, dangerous for both of them. We want to start out talking about Gabe, and we're going to tell you a little bit more about their relationship, but we want to make it very clear. Gabe, according to sources, has received death threats, constant harassment from people who believe that he was involved with Rachel's death. We have proof that Gabe was not present on the date of Rachel's death in Gilbert, Arizona. He was actually flying to California the evening of June 3rd and was in San Francisco on June 4th. There is no possible way that Gabe was involved in Rachel's death, and we would like to ask the general public to leave him alone. This brings up a point that we certainly hope that none of our listeners of the podcast would think of contacting any of the people that we have mentioned and would just leave people alone. It is actually a huge problem, I think, where people who really don't know a lot about a case but hear a few things weigh in so publicly and so certainly and encourage public perception that may be really harmful to somebody who is or is not involved in the case, but has come up in media contexts. I will say this. So when you're really banking on what they've said as all of the information that you need, that's just not the case. And later in this episode, we will also talk about other altercations that Rachel had where the people involved were then harassed and continue to be harassed to the point that if you even try to contact them to just get a statement, it you're sent straight to an attorney. Yeah. And who can blame them? I mean, I I think it's really unfair the way that the general public sort of is like, oh, I'm gonna go reach out, try to find this person. I'm gonna tell them and then I think they should turn themselves in. It's not really helpful in the context of an investigation. And I think Ashley and I have learned that really clearly through the course of doing this, that there is so much that we now know that even we are not gonna share publicly because there's no utility and it doesn't change the entire context of the crime. And it could be really damaging to people. And we're not gonna do that without more evidence. Right. I mean, the number of behind-the-scenes conversations you and I have had about what to share and not share in the context of keeping sources safe, keeping even people named in the police report that could look like suspects to listeners safe. Humans are humans and they need to be respected in a way that it's not our job to contact these people and to threaten them and to use any sort of language against them that could be harmful. Yeah. So maybe this is a good spot to talk about how you can be helpful as a listener. One, you can share this with literally everybody that you know who likes to listen to any kind of crime podcast because you do not know who might actually know something, right? They might have an aunt in Gilbert that you didn't know about who actually does know somebody that we're talking about or knows some piece of information. So getting this out there for people to hear. If you do know something, submitting that tip to the Gilbert police, to the private investigator Justin Yentez, or to the silentwitness.org, where you can reap a reward if it leads to the arrest of the person in this case. It is helpful to try to see if you can contribute in any meaningful way. Reaching out to and harassing the people involved is not one of them. Going online and being certain about you know what happened is probably not one of them. So there's our rant. We don't want to be responsible at all for anybody being harassed in this. And I think just hearing about the level of torment that Gabe has experienced on top of the trauma of his ex-girlfriend being murdered is just a good reminder not to be so certain about that you know everything. And we don't know everything either, which is why we're trying to just present all of the different options and the potential. And you'll hear about more options today of what could have happened to Rachel. But because we don't know, that's that's the only reason that we want to get this out here to try to get it in the hands of people who might know something. So Gabe was brought up to us by a lot of sources in the very beginning because he and Rachel had had this on-again, off-again relationship. The relationship was volatile. The word domestic violence was used. Sources close to both of them said they were actually worried about them being together. But we also know, and this part could make people uncomfortable, but statistically, when a woman is murdered, the person most likely responsible is not a stranger that's just hiding in the shadows. It's someone she knows. Very often, it's a current or a former partner. We're talking about a significant percentage of cases where women are killed by someone they've been in a relationship with, which obviously we're not saying every partner is dangerous, but because proximity, relationship history, and sometimes control can all live in this space. So I think that it's only natural that someone who had dated Rachel for two years would be someone that people were curious about. Rachel and Gabe started dating around 2019. They got an apartment together and they lived there for around a year. During that time, sources tell us that Rachel actually was really a homebody and didn't like to go out at night. She really liked to just kind of be in the apartment with Gabe. After living in the apartment for just around a year, Rachel and Gabe signed a lease on a house. They signed the lease March 19th, 2021. We know that Rachel signed the lease on her apartment in June of 2021, early June 2021. So the timeline between she and Gabe signing a lease together on a home and then Rachel moving out and eating her own apartment is very tight. She lived in that apartment from June 1st until December when she subled it. And in October, so in the midst of her living in that apartment, she started dating Jomet. She and Gabe had broken up and she started dating Jomet. She had broken up with Gabe and he actually had a very, very hard time with that. He had some mental health issues following that breakup. In December, she got the opportunity to go work in Queen Creek on the horse ranch and moved to the Cesita and sublet the apartment to America. June, six months after that, is when she kicked America out and moved back one month prior to her murder, April 29th. So remember, we told you she had a conflict with Gary on April 27th. On April 29th, an eviction was filed through the courts for Gabe and Rachel's property together. So while she had not been living there that entire time, she was on the lease. And due to failure of payment, he was evicted. And that meant that she was also on that lease with a statement of just over $4,700. Okay, I know timelines are not super fun to talk about or exciting, but I'm gonna just say these things out loud again because I need to. So March 2021, she and Gabe sign a lease. She ends up not moving into that home with him, according to sources, but they had been living in an apartment together. So she's with Gabe in early 2021. They're living together. She then gets her own place, June 2021, at the Santan Village apartments. October 2021, she starts dating Joe Met. December 2021, she moves into the quesita. April 29th, Gabe comes back in the picture just on paper because they are served an eviction notice from the home that she did not live with him in. End of May, we know she gets evicted from the casita. Beginning of June, she then moves back into her apartment, which we know June 4th is then when she was murdered. When we look at the timeline of this, it's so tight and it just really shines a light on from March 19th, 2021, when they first signed this lease, to just basically a year later, a little over a year, the amount of turmoil that had happened in Rachel's life with breaking up with Gabe, which we know was pretty traumatic on both sides, starting to date Jo Met in October, getting the job at the Casita, getting fired from the Casita, subletting her apartment to America, moving back into her apartment, getting filed with an eviction notice. The amount of things that happen in such a short period of time seem we've used the word chaotic so much, but I can't think of a different word. Seems so chaotic, especially for a young woman. I know it's it's hard to understand. Is this typical? I can't remember. I'm far enough removed from 19 or how fast life moves in those years because you're just on to the next thing. She did have so many things that would have caused, yeah, turmoil, like you said, and volatility in her life just in such a short time frame. Well, and the one thing I forgot within that short time frame is got engaged and broke off her engagement. And broke off the engagement. And again, was only 18, right? So it's like young, young adults, late stage teenagers, these things happen, but also not with the amount of um, I don't want to say like criminal criminals around her, but like not with the amount of police activity. I know it does seem like Rachel had not yet identified how to like kind of pick the right people in her life. And and I think people do this a lot, right? You just see kind of the best in everybody and you don't think about the the things that they're engaged with can also then reflect on your life in some way. Right. And I also think when you when you are young, like Rachel was, it's harder to see the big picture and you do get wrapped up in things like young love and poor choices around money and like poor choices potentially in employment and who you're surrounding yourself with, because you're kind of just figuring out your next phase of life. And I just know from looking at my own history, I can see questionable characters that at the time I did not view as questionable or dangerous in a way that I now would. Agreed. I think you think you're invincible when you're young. You do. I think we have to return to from everyone we have talked with, Rachel also was just a very sweet, kind, and caring person. So it's like there were these different sides to her, and it could cause conflict in a way that was unexpected and explosive in ways. So let's continue with their relationship because what we know from sources is that although the people in Rachel's life seemed to think that she and Gabe had broken things off and she was focused on Jamette, she and Gabe did continue talking. They did continue talking. We have talked with sources that they did continue to have communication. They did continue talking. And I mean, it does make sense since they were served an eviction notice at the end of very end of April, tail end of April, early May, that they would communicate about that issue, but it sounds like the communication went a little bit beyond that. Prior to their eviction, they had been in communication and they had been in communication around the end of March 2022. So reminder, this is just a few months before Rachel is killed. According to a source, Rachel reached out to Gabe and said she was not feeling safe, that someone had apparently attempted to kidnap some dogs or did kidnap some dogs. We have not been able to verify this with any police reports or any 911 calls or any person. But what we do know is that Rachel said she did not feel safe. She asked for Gabe's help with access to a firearm. And we do know that she was able to get Gabe's help. So what this tells us is that at the end of March in 2022, so before she was fired from the casita, before she moved back to Redstone or her apartment, and before the documented incident with Gary on the 27th of April, she had some sort of specific fear that led her to want to have a firearm. We know she was living in the casita on the horse ranch at that time, and we don't know exactly what this fear was around. This was something that we need to run down. What could she have possibly been so afraid of at the end of March that led her to wanting a firearm? We're going to tell you about her experience with working on a horse ranch in Queek. Starting in December 2021, six months before she died, Rachel was working at a horse ranch in Queen Creek, Arizona. She had worked at ranches prior and was setting up her own business. While working there, she was living in a little casita on the ranch. The ranch was owned by Amanda and Liz. It was originally named Dynamite Trail Ranch, and business records show it was formed in December 2021. Remember, this is also the month that Rachel was hired, so it really does seem like she was helping things get off the ground, which makes sense because she was known as being excellent at breaking foals. When their LLC was formed, it shows they were approved to do horse breeding and training as well as dog breeding and training. In October of 2022, it underwent a name change to Arcola Ranch. We aren't certain why the name was changed. According to sources, the owner lived on the property in the main home, and the only security was some horse fencing and a gate at the driveway. Rachel was responsible for a lot of different things with the ranch, including helping break foals, which she had a lot of experience in. And also she was working on brokering a deal with a horse ranch owner related to breeding her own horse, Dash. Dash did become pregnant with twins, which apparently is absolute gold in the horse world because it's so incredibly rare. Dash was just this beautiful horse that Rachel loved so much. There was some conflict that started to arise at the horse ranch. And this is probably to be expected, you know, when you're talking about a 19-year-old who is doing a lot of different things in her own life to try to assert some independence, you know, start her own career, and then also working for a very new horse ranch. Some of the conflict was around things that happened at the ranch. So one of the first things that happened mid to late March, Rachel had a horse rear up when she was trying to get it in the trailer and kick back, and it caught her hand and caused a pretty significant injury that required surgery. At the time, the surgeon told her that you can't work back in the barn. There was some sort of issue with the timeline where Rachel could work in the barn or could not. Rachel went back earlier than she was supposed to. The surgeon wasn't very happy about that. And the owners were sort of unclear as to when Rachel could and couldn't work and took a little bit of flack for her going back too early. So there was some conflict around her injury. At a later point, Rachel was driving a trailer, transporting some horses to Scottsdale, which is about 40 minutes away, and ended up damaging a trailer. She was confronted by the owners about that damage, and they estimated that damage to be about $10,000. Something went wrong here where there was owed money, they felt like. Right. Agree. Rachel was initially sent a lease termination notice with an end date of June 30th, 2022nd, but then there was an addendum sent and it was sent through DocuSign and it outlines a mutual agreement. And I'm going to just read the screenshot of the exact text to you that we have. So it says, Rachel and Jomet, I want to let you know that a notice of lease termination has been sent certified mail with a lease end date of June 30th, 2022. I sent you an addendum via DocuSign for mutual early termination and move out by May 31st, 2022. If you sign the addendum, you would not be required to make the June 1st rent payment so long as you vacate the premises, including the two dogs and your horse. Although you are not required to sign the addendum, it is an option to take advantage of vacating early and avoiding paying the June 1st rent. If agreeable, please sign the document. Rachel responds, wait, what? I can't find a place to live in a month. What's going on? Essentially, it seems like she's being incentivized to leave earlier than was originally planned. But now if we look at all of this, Rachel is losing her job. She's losing her housing. She's trying to coordinate moving multiple animals. And now it's on this accelerated timeline. She's out of a job, having to move. So this is when obviously she has to make the choice to terminate her sublet agreement with America and move back into her apartment with a move-in date of June 1st. This is where things get a little more complicated because it does seem like potentially this tight timeline, losing your income, losing your housing, had Rachel spiral into a bit of a mental health crisis. And we can see through police reports that it seems like the owners and other people called 911 after Rachel had texted people about feeling suicidal. Prior to sending these text messages about feeling suicidal, she had had panic attacks the week before this all escalated. This is just a really, I can imagine, very hard time for her. It's probably one of her first kind of quote unquote real jobs where she's she's really doing something that she loves. She's doing something that she's really good at. And these accidents happened. Like she cut her hand. That wasn't intentional. She damaged a trailer while trying to drive it. I mean, that's just the kind of thing that happens on a horse ranch. And so then to be held responsible for it in a way that you're being fired and you owe all this money, that must have been really scary and really devastating to Rachel. Also, just as a 19-year-old, yes, you're gonna have conflict at work and yes, you're gonna have issues, but to then be given information which seems like maybe a week beforehand that you're going to lose your income and your housing, that will completely uproot you. Yeah, it's hard to know when they first talked about that, but the timeline certainly looks tight in the police report. It does. In the last few days of May, while Rachel was trying to work out her mental health, tried to get all of her things out of the casita. We know that her family went on May 29th to start getting everything out of that casita so that she could be out of there before June 1st. Things escalated even further. Rachel had evicted her subletters on a pretty short timeline, and they were moving out on June 1st. And Rachel was starting to move her things back in. We also know by June 1st, her horse Dash had been moved to an undisclosed location by the Queen Creek ranch owners. They essentially were holding this horse until they received the payment they were owed. There is a little confusion on our part here. I believe this was about the controversy around the deal with the breeding of Dash, not actually about the trailer owed money, but there are both of those things that they claimed they were owed money from Rachel. So I'm unclear exactly which pot of cash we're talking about here. We do know that the owners of the ranch retained an attorney who reached out to Rachel early in those days to file a lawsuit against her for whatever they were owed. Rachel, being sort of desperate, posted on local pages on Facebook that her horse had been stolen and named explicitly the owners of the ranch. We can also see that on Facebook, Rachel started trying to sell horse-related items to raise funds to get dash back. The amount that they were asking for was $5,000. Probably we should interject here and tell you that Rachel died before she could get dash back, which was probably terribly upsetting to her in those last days of her life. Her parents did get dash back after her death. One of the reasons we are talking about this, her horse basically being held ransom, I think we can use that language here, is that the timing of Dash being held ransom and Rachel dying erupted on social media when people started to draw their own conclusions about what they thought could have happened since this conflict happened so closely to Rachel being killed. Yeah, the Facebook post that we have that Rachel posted that Dash had been stolen was from June 1st. Rachel was killed after going to bed on June 3rd in the night. So it's a two-day turnaround there. We also know that the owners were on Facebook pretending to be someone else, according to one of the Facebook posts that we see. Ashley, tell them a little bit about this post that we have that is since deleted, but that we have a screenshot of. We have a screenshot of a post from someone who actually started by saying she was posting this for her own protection and that she had been drug into a legal issue related to the Dash story, that Rachel was apparently being sued by someone over a breeding deal, which we know Dash was pregnant with twins, which we have been told is a huge deal, especially because it was Dash's first time being bred, I believe. She said that the person suing her had a group of people ganging up on her that proceeded to harass her. She talked about how Rachel's horse was stolen, that she posted about who stole it in the group where this person was actually an admin of the group. So she took a screenshot of the comment from the person who admitting to knowing where the horse was. This poster said she then banned people from the page. She got a threatening letter from attorneys saying that they asked for her computer and she said, fat chance, I'm not giving you my computer. That is so ridiculous. Just FYI, everybody. An attorney can't just be like, hey, give me your computer. You're gonna need a court order to turn over your electronics, okay? To law enforcement, like a warrant. They have to get a warrant. It's it has to be a court order. And we can't verify this, but in the post, she said, I have given the names and phone numbers of everybody involved in this dispute that she had, and that she will be sending all copies of correspondence to what she said the detective, so probably Gilbert P. D. She said she provided copies to other people just in case something were to happen. So it's clear she also was not potentially feeling safe. She said she was beyond shocked that now it seems like there had been a murder. She talks about how sweet and kind Rachel is. She was not the only one to post about Dash being missing. Once we knew Rachel had been killed and that this confrontation had happened, from what we have seen, it really kind of caused a frenzy on social media of people coming to Dash and Rachel's defense and feeling like they wanted to insert themselves in this conversation. Absolutely. And we saw so many comments. When we first started investigating this case, we and we were looking through old social media posts. The majority of people felt like there's no way these two things are completely distinct from one another. She's posting that her horse was stolen, that there's this massive conflict with an eviction over a breeding deal that's worth really high value in the horse world. And then she's murdered. People were pretty certain these things were connected. Well, and you and I aren't part of the equestrian horse world, but from the people we have spoken with who knew Rachel and who are a part of this world, it is a whole system of making money through breeding and through training. Anyway, it's just a community where conflicts like this can mean like a huge loss of income for people. Right. We know the Gilbert police did run down leads related to this very early in their investigation. We know they visited an auction site where they had gotten a tip that a horse that looked like Dash may be, they didn't find any evidence that Dash was there. We also know that they interviewed the horse ranch owners. A lot of that interview is redacted, so we can't see exactly what was said, but a lot of information is there about the entire conflict, which is where we got a lot of what we shared with you. And we did reach out to the ranch owners to see if they wanted to make a statement or speak with us. And we also reached out to their attorney and did not get a response from any of them. In chatting with people who knew Rachel and who were in the Gilbert community, we did find it interesting that Amanda, the owner of the ranch, is someone that people found was someone that was hard to communicate with. Yeah, I mean, frankly, just looking at this objectively, we have been very good, actually, I think about looking at Rachel as a whole person, like knowing that people describe her as sweet and loving, but also that she was sometimes sort of chaotic at very fiery and feisty and that can rub people the wrong way. And, you know, everybody is a complicated person, Rachel included. But looking at this objectively, I don't like the way that she was treated through this. I'm sure that there's two sides to every story, right? I'm sure that the horse ranch owners have their own story on that. I'm sure that the trailer, what that was super frustrating to them, that's a lot of money to owe. But also don't hire people then. Do it yourself. I don't like it. I don't either. And just on like a more personal level, I understand them not wanting to talk about the case directly and not wanting to chat with people like us who they don't know. But I also think Rachel was on that casita, living in the casita for five months. And some of the information about their personal experience with her or just knowing more about how that relationship looked before it turned absolutely toxic so quickly would be fair for people to know. I know. I'm sure they're just self-protecting. Absolutely. And I also think, you know, I questioned early on when we were talking about this like, do we use the word ransom? That feels like a pretty heavy word. But when you take someone's property and you hold it for money, I'm pretty sure if we looked up the definition, that's ransom. And that just leads me to more questions about what type of a person are you? If you like, you know, this is this is actually a word that was used by one of Rachel's friends that Dash was her, she called it heart horse. You have one horse that's like, that is my horse. Like that's the one I am the most tied to. And if you knew that about someone and you're willing to hurt them in a way that that's the horse you're gonna take and say, I'm not giving it back to you until you give us in the big picture five grand, that's kind of diabolical. Well, I know. I mean, sue her, fine. If she owes you the money, I get it. Like if she really does owe the money, I get it. But I don't love that part of it either. I do think as a business owner, we have had employees of ours say, I screwed up, I cost money to the business, here's what happened. And we said, Hey, thanks for telling us. That's part of doing business. Obviously, if it happened over and over again, if she crashed the trailer seven times, yeah, for sure. Also, maybe after she crashed it one time, you'd be like, we're gonna revoke your driving rights on that and have uh somebody else do the driving because you're not great at driving the trailer. But like one accident, one mistake. Well, it's also why it would be great if someone was able to talk with them and get some perspective because maybe at the point they decided to hold Dash, they could tell us these are all the different ways that we tried and we couldn't, but it just seems so personal to take someone's animal and make that what you're going to do to get them to pay you. They don't want to talk with us, so we can't ask them those questions. And as you've said, there's two sides to every story, and we can only share what we know from sources and the police report. It's really a terrible story, and also we don't know about any of these people being involved in her death or not, but certainly the horse community is not prepared even now with some of the commentary that we see to completely eliminate this as a possibility. It's just another piece of really, really difficult time that Rachel was going through right before. We have to circle back though, Ashley, because at the beginning of this episode, we talked about Gabe communicating with Rachel and about her being afraid and wanting to have access to a firearm. We aren't completely certain of the exact date that Rachel was asking for help getting access to a firearm, but what we do know is that it's after she injured her finger, but before she was asked to leave the casita in May. We don't know what Rachel could have been afraid of. This could have been after the incident with Gary, where she was feeling afraid about that, or it could have had something to do with her horse, or it could have been something completely unrelated that we really don't know about. We just know it was sometime in the spring, probably April or May of 2022, just in the months before she was killed. We do not know what she was afraid of. We don't think it seemed like she was afraid of the horse ranch owners according to their interview with police, but we can't be sure. Because we don't know really about her life in the casita. We don't know what could have happened on the property, whether it was someone trying to come there for why she felt like she needed to have a firearm. We have no idea. She was also probably doing other things, although in the police report, the owners note that she was pretty quiet when she lived on the casita. She just stayed home most of the time by herself. Jomette would visit her, but that was about it. So again, we aren't exactly sure what Rachel was afraid of, but we do know that for a short period of time, she was working as a cocktail waitress. We also know that when you work in that industry, there can be sketchy people around you. And we don't know if there was someone at work or a customer at work that she just felt unsafe around. One story that a source told us that we really don't have any kind of other way to verify the truth of this story, but we just feel like it's an interesting story and we thought we would share it. Sometime between, we believe, between June 1st of 2021 and December of 2021. So when she was living on her own in her apartment at Redstone Village before she moved to the Casita, she was working as a cocktail waitress, and somebody was at her apartment complex and saw her come home driving home and she could barely function. And they believed that she had been drugged. Apparently, there was some question about if she could have been drugged by someone who worked at the bar where she was cocktail waitressing. This is not something that we know anything about, but it kind of raised a little ding-ding-ding red flag for us. Like, is this possible that there was somebody else who was bothering her or was interested in her? You know, a lot of people online make comments about like, could this have been a stalker? Well, sure. I mean, it could totally be something entirely else we are unaware of. We also know Rachel is extremely cute. If you look at pictures of her, she's a beautiful young woman. She's fun. We have pictures of her wearing a fake mustache and being silly. She's described very widely by a lot of people who worked with her in various capacities as very sweet and kind. Of course, men are going to be very into her. And we know this, right? We know these men that were with her, Gabe and Jomette, were just absolutely smitten with her. In fact, putting up with any of her teenage antics and still just completely in love with her. Also, Jomette did report that, you know, she had dated other men as well and that men were interested in her. So we we don't know who else could have been involved, but we want to bring that up because if she was afraid, could it have been from someone else? We don't know. For now, we have really walked through all of the who could have done this and why would they have done it. But next week, we are going to be talking with you about the Gilbert Police. And here's why. As we talked with sources throughout the past four episodes, a lot of people ask us to ask questions about what Gilbert Police are actually doing. There are a few cases that we are going to be talking about that Gilbert PD either has worked on or are working on now that people have had questions, concerns about. Next week, we are going to walk through what we have found out about the Gilbert Police Department and some of the potential questions and concerns that we have. Thank you for listening. If you have any tips on the Rachel Hansen case, please call the Gilbert, Arizona Police Department or head to silentwitness.org to submit your tip. Visit our Patreon at the Creepy Book Club for early release, ad free, extra episodes, and behind the scenes content. Music by Craig Reaver. Editing, production, research, and writing by the Creepy Book Club.