BMP (Buffalo Music Players) Episode 29: Courtney Zach

BMP takes some time to talk to Courtney Zach about books and letters, if those letters are in fact drawings of surprisingly cute animals and if those books are written by her.

Courtney was a great guest, talking about her time in South Korea, as well as about whales in other parts of the world. She was frank about her knowledge of local music in the area (she does not know it) and Max and Ben introduced her to Stress Dolls as a gateway drug to that wonderful world.

All in all a good episode with real people, Ben and Max and Courtney, don't get it twisted, had a great time and hope to reconvene at some later date as projects get completed for any and all spiritual animals in the spiritual zoo that occupies Courtney's time.

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SPEAKER_00 1:49

Hello, BMP listeners. This is Benjamin Joe on the Buffalo Music Players Podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:54

And I'm Max.

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And with us is a very special guest. She is an illustrator of children's books and general artist that works for commissions. Her name is Courtney Zach.

SPEAKER_05 2:04

Hi. Hi.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Hi Courtney. How are you doing today?

SPEAKER_05 2:06

Good. Thank you for having me on your show.

SPEAKER_00 2:08

Oh, absolutely. We're happy to have you. What a message. Maybe you can introduce yourself and uh talk a little bit about what it is you do for our listeners.

SPEAKER_05 2:15

Yeah, of course. So uh my name is Courtney Zack. Um I am a local resident uh of Buffalo, but I did spend uh about 18 years in South Seoul, South Korea. Oh wow teaching English. Yeah, so that's actually where I wrote my first children's book and published it. Um I wrote two while I was living over there. Um and I just moved back maybe four or five years ago.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Gotcha. Wow, okay then. Did you grow up in Buffalo? Yes. Okay. I was born here. That's awesome. Which part of Buffalo?

SPEAKER_05 2:47

Um so I went to Ben Franklin and Kem Maurice too.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

I lived in that area, like in University Heights, but short walk away.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Yeah, awesome.

SPEAKER_04 2:58

I um found out oh sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Oh no, I'm just uh freaked out that she was in Korea for like 18 years. That's that's incredible. Like um I've I've never been there. I heard the food is really good.

SPEAKER_05 3:08

I would recommend going. Uh I do miss the food a lot. Yeah. Yeah. That's one thing I would love to go back to do is uh shopping specifically for like art products and like cosmetics and beauty products for the food because it was amazing. Um and just like the general, the the people are really kind, but also just like the landscape going and seeing the countryside and like visiting like the cultural sites and learning about their culture, which is just so different from ours. And so yeah, it's a really an amazing it's an amazing country.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

I heard that they thought that we were like all gangsters here in America and like it's very unsafe and like it's like the wild west and shootings are always happening or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 3:50

So I I have a story. Um the one of the first jobs that I worked at. So most places that you work, you have you work with the Korean teacher, and so this person, like you generally become friends with them. Um so one of the first ladies that I worked with, uh, when we went out to lunch one day, she asked, Um, Courtney, are the women in the United States like the women in Sex in the City?

SPEAKER_04 4:15

Every woman is carrying. Every woman is carrying.

SPEAKER_05 4:18

Every woman is carry. And I had to break it to her that no, most of the women are. Not really, I guess. Those four women are like Sex in the City women, and maybe a couple others. That's crazy. Yeah, so they do have that impression, and uh I think it's the city's just f America's just filled with great writers. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Uh but even like uh Korean cinema, like Koreans are known for um their movies, especially like their horror movies.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

Oh, yeah. Yeah, my daughter watches those a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:51

And obviously K-pop. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

Yeah. Um I read a lot about them on enemy. A lot of just gen different K-pop superstars. I'm always kind of freaked out. But I think it's great. I think it's great that like the that the Asian culture has asserted itself into the mainstream. I think it's awesome because I think we only we only represent like two percent of the population here in America or something like that. Wow. Something very small and like tiny. You wouldn't know, you know, you know, Chinese New Year or something like that, but it's like a very s it's like a fraction of any other minority is like Asian in this country. So wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:29

How did you get into um teaching and your comics and stuff?

SPEAKER_05 5:33

Okay, so um I when I graduated from university, that's when I moved abroad, thinking I would just uh go for a year.

SPEAKER_04 5:42

Um typical.

SPEAKER_05 5:43

Typical, yeah. But they so how to get abroad in most cases at that age is like teaching. Like if you if you have a diploma, um a lot of countries will take you on as an English teacher, which I I look back at it now, I think it's crazy because I remember just even the first day in the classroom, I have nightmares about it. You you like knowing English doesn't translate to teaching English. Oh, for real. Yeah, yeah. So um it was really difficult in the beginning. Um, but I mean I stuck with it for so long that uh I also um I worked at a company that uh published like uh educational material because I I uh I um ended up doing like a lot of um the the uh teaching manuals and like the materials.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

Um yeah, the materials like the syllabus or not the syllabus, but um the textbook or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 6:38

Yeah, what like whatever that that school would use, I would like you would be responsible helping to create it, or sometimes I just took that on because uh, for example, when I was getting my master's in linguistics, uh I was learning about uh five-year-old brains, and I was teaching like four or five-year-olds at the time, and so it was really easy for me to create material for them, and so I I went to the principal, like, hey, yeah, I can write a book for you if you want to, like, so we can use this to teach the kids. And I did.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

So that's where the first book came from, wasn't it? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 7:09

That was just like a textbook. That was literally the textbook of the school, but I mean, I loved it so much that you know I I did that continually. Um, I worked with the uh the publishing company over there. Um, and the the first book actually came from uh coming home one day to visit my family. Uh I visited one of my friends here who had a daughter, and just that interaction between my friend and her daughter sparked that initiative to start that book. Oh, wow. Yeah, the first one is about a little girl that goes to the zoo and she sings for the animals, and the animals hate it. And at the end she meets I won't I won't spoil it, but at the end she meets someone that likes her music.

SPEAKER_04 7:50

You gotta just keep plugging away, people.

SPEAKER_05 7:52

Yeah, exactly. Which was maybe the moral of the story. I don't know, but um kids like people will still tell me that their kids want them to read that story because there's a song in it, and yeah, so they love the song. Um, so that that was book number one. The second book I wrote about a vegetarian spider.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Um that must be difficult catching garlic and uh web or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 8:18

Yeah. Um so yeah, well, this little spider goes on an adventure to like look for something and taste all different things. Um yeah, so that was the second book. Um, and then when I returned to the United States, uh I started working out of school here. Um and with the kids at the school, uh, I wrote a book about unusual animals.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Right, and that that is what is on the Instagram account. I think you guys can see it at um I forget the exact uh address of the Instagram account. Courtney Courtney Linzak. Courtney Linzak. Um yeah, at Courtney Linzak on Instagram, and it's got a lot of very interesting animals. The pig mean hippo was my favorite. But I like the blobfish too. Oh, I like all of them. That that that flat shark that can go and walk on land but looks like a shag rug.

SPEAKER_05 9:06

Yeah, the wabby gong.

SPEAKER_00 9:07

The wabbygong. Yeah, yeah, that's that's so cool.

SPEAKER_05 9:09

That was the third the third book we just uh well actually, so this is one book, but they're like the animals. So in that book, I think there were maybe 26 or 27 animals. Wow. Um, and so I'm going through and making a video video about each of those animals. So next up is the giant squid.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

The giant squid. Oh yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I I you saw that at a zoo, a dead one, obviously, not like a real giant squid, which I think is like would positively terrifying if you're ever on the case.

SPEAKER_05 9:39

Well, plus they're they're a deep sea creature, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

I mean, it's it's like finding like a squid that lives in space. Yeah, I mean it's it's there. You know, it's like wow, like good luck finding it. I guess it would be hard. It's like a walkness monster, right? Yeah, yeah exactly.

SPEAKER_04 9:54

Um, since literacy rates are kind of going down, what have you have you seen that the kids when they see your stuff they're they're they're more engaged in stuff because of the pictures and the quirkiness and stuff?

SPEAKER_05 10:05

Um, well I did so what I what I did with this book, uh the last two books, which are both about quirky creatures, is I I I tried to focus on things that were like fun or funny or just like weird. Um as you might remember, like the pygmy hippo, for they they splatter their pool around to mark their ter territory. Right. Like who's not gonna remember that?

SPEAKER_01 10:28

That is very weird.

SPEAKER_05 10:30

Yeah, and if you watch a video, you'll never forget that video.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

Yeah, absolutely not. Yeah, I liked how they secreted like that pink stuff to go in like Suntail Ocean. I was like, wow, that's crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:41

So there are some pretty crazy animals out there, and like I really I as you said, like literacy rates are down. Um, like what I noticed, um, so I I tried to make these books more interactive when I show them to libraries and stuff. Like I set up exhibitions with the original paintings and then create a safari hunt where they have to read through each of the the little comic books that come with the animals um to find the answers to these questions. And I've heard you know that like the parents really like it and the kids are engaged because again, like I'm trying to use things that are really strange, like really interesting, and the the animals that were picked were picked by kids, so you know very cool. Obviously, like at least one kid likes that animal, so there's gotta be more.

SPEAKER_04 11:31

That's that's so awesome. Yeah. Because like again, everyone's attention span is pretty messed up nowadays, too. So it's really cool that you found a way to just keep that nugget in the kids' brain, you know, and like keep them interested. Because it's so hard now. Yeah, you know, they'd much rather be on their iPad than uh open a book of any kind. Yeah. So I recommend you.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Do you think our um our uh culture is going towards um all print on the computer, like like you know, novels on computers or something like that, like on the Kindle or something like that? Or or do you think that physical media is still something that is like you know, cool to have like for a kid or anybody really gonna have the book where they can open the page, look at it. Um, if it's a if it's like the shaggy um sharp, you'll go and touch it and see look see it that way.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Um I mean, when you start publishing, it was for like print material, right?

SPEAKER_05 12:24

Yeah, it was for print material, but like one of the main purposes was to actually show the kids also like how you go from having an idea to having it in print. So a lot of it was also showing them like how it happens.

SPEAKER_00 12:39

Oh, that's very cool.

SPEAKER_05 12:40

Yeah, and so I think like as you said, I do think that a lot of it, like even because I'm still in the classroom now, where when we're teaching math, and this is even in second grade, some of it they're writing with pencils on paper, and some of it they're doing right on their computer. And to be honest, they are much more engaged in the stuff that is on the screen.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05 13:00

Yeah, I've noticed that a little they would prefer using their Chromebooks um to using like writing it out. Oh like they that is more for they enjoy like pencil and paper for things like drawing and creating, but learning I've I've noticed that um they do like they do like to engage in the chrome in in the technology. Wow. But they also do like picking up physical books.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:25

Oh that's good. Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_05 13:27

I wouldn't say it would I would more like for that novelty, because they do use technology so much that the book, the actual physical books might be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

Be more weird than like on a computer. Oh a novel experience.

SPEAKER_05 13:41

Yeah, cool. So the opposite of us, you know, where we read books, you know, on the screen.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

I mean, I I I don't know what to do without a notepad. I can't imagine like just clicking away and typing my notes on I know what people do, but like I I don't. I like have a pencil, paper, or pen and the spiral notebooks doodling and you know, writing my notes as well as I can. I always enjoy that. How how did um just out of curiosity, how does one go to South Korea like as a teacher? Is it is it as easy as like going on Indeed or something like that? Just like answering an ad, and then someone they're just like, okay, we got a place for you to live, like hope you know some Korean.

SPEAKER_05 14:18

Um you don't even need to know Korean.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

Oh, it's like an immersive like program where everybody has to speak English all the time. That's so cool. Yeah, so cool.

SPEAKER_05 14:26

Yeah, actually, like I'm sure well obviously the rules have changed um slightly where they do they're a little bit more picky about who they take, but honestly, it's not that hard. I mean, it's not that hard to like teach in Korea, but it's not that hard to teach in a lot of other countries as well. There's so many different opportunities out there.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

Wow. Do you think that that you're you're a better person for having the had that experience?

SPEAKER_05 14:47

Oh, definitely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

More culturally aware, more worldly aware, I guess, is I can't think of any other word. Earth aware.

SPEAKER_05 14:54

Well, that it helps, it does, it does make you more earth aware, and and it does help you understand that like people around the world are absolutely just like you. Like they might speak a different language, they might look slightly different, but they're exactly the same, and they think the same. Well, not all the same things, but like we we like the same things, and we you know, everyone has likes and dislikes, and they have a family, and you know, they have traditions, and you get to understand that about also it's so one of the big things, and especially moving back, coming back and getting like the opposite culture shock, moving like from there to here, yeah. It helps you understand and appreciate the things about different cult countries and different cultures because there are some things I absolutely miss about living in Korea, and like I think that they have a lot of things, like for example, public transportation there, it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, and the banking system, it's amazing. Coming back here, it's terrible.

SPEAKER_04 15:50

Both of them, yeah. Both of them are actually down.

SPEAKER_05 15:52

You knew exactly what I was gonna say. So you get to understand a lot of things, like you know, and and what it helped me understand too is like it it is really easy to do these things. Like, I know it sounds like yeah, how do you just pick up and move to another country? Like, it is hard, but if you if you take away all of the fear, the actual steps to do it, they're not that hard. Anybody can do it.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Yeah, just to get a visa and start teaching English, that's awesome. Uh one of the things we say here is that Buffalo is the world, and I guess in this interview, like we are doing a lot for the world stuff. But tell tell me more about like art. Like, how did you get into it? Like, what what was your um your entry point, I suppose, into the art world? Did you pick it up as an adult or was it a college thing, like part of education?

SPEAKER_05 16:37

Well, yeah, I liked it since I was a kid. I was always drawing and getting into art. So I went to Alfred University. Oh, okay. Yeah, so I studied uh my well, what I got my degree in was art history and philosophy.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

That sounds terribly difficult.

SPEAKER_05 16:51

It w it was fun. Um I got to study in in Florence for six months for the art history part. That's actually what changed me to go to to focus on that was studying over there. It was just so much fun, it was so interesting.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

Good.

SPEAKER_05 17:04

Um, but when I moved to Korea, I mean I still I still did art. I still, you know, tried to join like the uh exhibitions there. Oh, cool. Um and then eventually I had my own. Um that's actually so I did artwork, but I also started these comics where I make these little comic scenes. Right. Yeah, and so um that actually started and evolved from Korea.

SPEAKER_04 17:28

That's actually how I I know you because um I used to work at the Bridgefield Penny doing experience surveys, and I had a table and I saw one of your comics, it was about like the little whale, and it was like four issues, and I was like, this is really quirky and stuff. So that's how I I found out about you in the first place.

SPEAKER_05 17:44

Yeah. Wow. They still give those out. I have some for you today.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

We're lucky to have.

SPEAKER_05 17:48

Yeah, awesome.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

Real quick, um uh Courtney came into the program today and was told that she needed to know a local band. Um, we decided on the stress doll, so we're gonna go to um play a clip for you of that right now. Thank you for listening to another great episode of the BMP Podcast. Now we have a message from our sponsors, Buffalo Creative Workshop.

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SPEAKER_00 20:12

Okay, that was our homegrown band here, Stress Dolls. Now, uh Courtney, you're doing a lot of comic stuff right now. Um I saw it on I saw on the Instagram of the super whale, and I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_05 20:24

Yeah, um, I'm gonna start with where it originated. Okay. So uh there was this trip I went to when I lived in South Korea. I went on a trip to New York City, and I found out through a I don't know, reading something, how big a blue whale was. And I would see pictures, you know, you know, this is a blue whale, and then here's a person. I'm like, I can't really tell how big that is. Or sometimes they use a little superhero in like a uh like a um a three-dimensional whale, and still like that doesn't make sense to me. And so on this trip to New York City, my friend and I were walking around to get to the science museum. Well, we took so long to get there that there was like 15 minutes left. And I told the lady, the guard, you know, I just want to see the whale, tell me where the whale is. So she tells us, and we ran to that place in the museum. It like the only thing I can pick every time I think of this, it I picture in my head um there was this um Audrey Hepburn movie where she's running through the Louvre. That's how it felt like when me and my friend were running in the it look way less, you know, beautiful and dramatic. But we're running, and I get to this room and it it opens up and it's like, I look at this blue whale. I'm like, this is how big it is, oh my gosh. And I just couldn't believe it. So when I get back to Korea, I started just drawing whales. Like everybody turned into a whale, like people were getting mad. They'd be like, stop drawing me as a whale. Because I'd be like, Oh, I have notebooks after notebooks of people, my friends, as whales, like doing things. And then eventually what happened with the comic was one of my friends came to visit me, and um when we were trying to get a Hell a taxi. This taxi driver wouldn't stop. And I got mad and I started yelling. And my friend says, Courtney, getting mad is not going to help us get a taxi. So you need to calm down. You need to put that anger and put it like get take that anger and put it somewhere else. And I took that really seriously. And so I was like, All right, I'm not going to get angry anymore. Instead, I'm going to write about things I get mad about. So anytime someone made me angry, instead of getting mad at them, I'd be like, ah, everyone's going to laugh at you because I'm going to make a joke. And I would make a comic about them, like whatever thing they did, and people would think it was hilarious. So even, you know, there was this one time me and my last boss at my last job did not get along. I wrote a comic about her, of course. As you do. And um she came to my art exhibition that had that very comic in it, and it was hanging up on the wall. She takes one look at it and she goes, Is that one about me?

SPEAKER_01 22:59

Oh. I said no. I don't know if she believed me.

SPEAKER_05 23:04

But she even picked out the comic that was about her. Don't know how she did it. So yeah, um, it started as you know, a way to get my anger out, a way to get emotions out. But then like what it kind of turned into is just like funny happenings that you know happen in life. Like I made one about a trip to Toronto and how to have fun on like a solo trip. And it was like, you know, take pictures of things like squirrels or sing songs about you know nothing or just silly things that would make people look at like this this is silly. Um, but they can also be about serious things, like you know, um being in the right environment, like how it helps you grow and how it helps you like make your passions even better.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 23:46

So like I want it to also be about like um well to show people that you know, like finding your passion and um like figuring out how to like achieve like the things that you want in life, like how it is accessible. You just like this is like a how-to kind of like there's little comics about that, like you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Wow, that's really cool.

SPEAKER_05 24:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

I wish I had one of these comics, they sound very fun. Yeah, what what other uh so you did you do the whales, or do you do other animals as well or just just whales right now?

SPEAKER_05 24:17

Oh, just whales right now, but so the the book that I'm currently working on is gonna be longer, so usually when I give out these little books, it's just one comic at a time. Uh this time I'm gonna make a book I'll publish. And so whale's gonna go on this adventure and she meets all these different animals. And these animals are actually people in Buffalo who are fulfilling their passion, and I'm interviewing them, and then based on their interview, I'm turning them into an animal that fits them the best.

SPEAKER_04 24:44

That's awesome. Yeah, have you checked if like um a whale is your spirit animal?

SPEAKER_05 24:49

Do you know what? I feel like I have a lot of spirit animals.

SPEAKER_04 24:52

Yeah, you have like a spirit zoo.

SPEAKER_05 24:53

I have a spirit zoo, thank you. Yeah, so I have a spirit zoo, but whale has always been there for like the whale has always been. I mean, I learned how to scuba dive to to to be able to see whales under the water. Oh wow. Like that's how obsessed I am. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Have you seen a blue whale underwater?

SPEAKER_05 25:12

No, I've never seen a whale.

SPEAKER_04 25:13

Oh wow. Yeah. Oh wow. You're ready for one when you're gonna go.

SPEAKER_05 25:16

I'm ready. I'm ready. I did try, but I didn't, so my friend I I went to the Galapagos Islands last year. Nice, and for some reason I got it in my head that this was where to s I see a whale. And um, I was telling everyone I'm gonna see a whale on this trip, and one of my friends came to visit me, and I told her I was going here. I'm gonna see a whale, and she's like, No, you're not. And I'm like, what are you talking about? She's like, Do you do you check the migration of the whales? They're not in that place when you're there, Courtney. Like, oh, that would have been smart.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

That would have been a good idea before you play on the trip.

SPEAKER_05 25:48

Yeah, but yeah, so whale migration. Well, it wasn't just for that, but I mean it was to see all the animals, really. But um I do there will be other chances to see whales, I'm sure. So there whales are in my future.

SPEAKER_04 25:59

Yeah, when you finally see one, it's gonna be like an otherworldly experience for you. We'll have you back on the bar.

SPEAKER_00 26:04

Come here and tell us about your whaling.

SPEAKER_05 26:06

For sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Cool. Yeah, I'd love to. That's awesome. Well, um, I I don't have any more questions, but it's been great talking to you. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_04 26:15

Yeah, thank you so much for coming by. I've been wanting to talk to you for a minute. So I'm glad that you did.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Yeah, thank you. And where can people find your your your book when it comes out or your books?

SPEAKER_05 26:25

Uh okay, so they're on Amazon. Um the first one is qu uh sorry. The first one is called Quirky Creatures, and the second book is called More Quirky Creatures.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

Okay. Why stop with a good thing? Exactly. Alright, listeners, thanks for tuning in. I hope you have a wonderful week, and this is a BMP podcast signing off.

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