BMP (Buffalo Music Players) BREAKING EPISODE: Curt Rotterdam and ReFringe

In a very important message for Buffalo residents and visitors, Curt Rotterdam, longtime Buffalo locale, came to the BMP pod to talk the Fringe, Infringement and finally Refringe: the newest Allentown showcase coming in May.

Many may remember Curt from his days booking at Nietzsche's in Allentown, or from playing in his band, Anal Pudding. These days Curt likes to make visual art and we met him at his art space downtown.

Operating on very little sleep, Curt lay on his couch and talked the good ole days, his many years booking shows in Infringement, and why he had to walk away from that yearly event to do something new.

Check it out on this very special episode of BMP.

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SPEAKER_01 1:40

I've never focused tool, so I've got the upper hand.

unknown 1:49

It's the BMP podcast. It's the BMP podcast.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

Hello, BMP listeners. This is Benjamin Joe. And I am Max. And with us today is a dear old friend of mine. You might remember him. He was booking a lot of shows on Allen Street for quite some time. He uh had had a band for a long time. Was that the anal pudding? That was the band.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

That's not me.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

That isn't you?

SPEAKER_00 2:18

No, that's Team America from uh that's South Park.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

Oh yeah. I've seen it.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

It's like your mama's got a strap on and come on, Granny, show me them titties. How could you get those tunics too? Anal Fangoria, can I masturbate in your car? You know, nice tunics. I had the same thing. You really go over well with the climb of the kids today.

SPEAKER_03 2:38

You were ahead of your time, that's a return.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Ahead and now past. It's over and done, I would say. Our time has come and it's been, you know. But it is. It was a good time.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Yeah, the early arts were interesting, so to speak.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

It was it was good until it wasn't, I guess. But you know, it was always a good time.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

You know, it's a funny thing, Kurt. I've known you for the longest time. I I I when you called me up the other day, I was like, Kurt, I haven't seen Kurt since I was busking on the street, and he would get me gigs like like steel crazy, right? Like playing to like plant.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

I did a lot, you know. I'm from I don't know if you notice, but I'm originally from Long Island, and I moved up here to go to school at Buff State. Right, yeah. I didn't know anybody here. Um I got involved at the radio station and student activities uh through the radio station, WBNY, Blazeware. Yeah, definitely shout out to BNY. If it wasn't for BNY and having that little mandatory local one an hour, I might not have never discovered Mark Freeland. Oh, geez. And because I discovered Mark Freeland and wanted to learn more about it, I, you know, the thing about Buffalo is everybody makes themselves accessible, so it wasn't hard to meet him and find him. Yeah. You know? And he became a lifelong mentor and friend. We talked about Progressive Rock, he introduced me to all the cool people, and I owe every little bit of credibility to anything I ever had, probably to just, you know, that dude. Yeah. A lot of it he introduced me to, you know, Jamie from Art Voice and got me my first gig booking at Merlin's. He's the one who introduced me to Bud Redding, who DJ'd at the Continental and got me a job at the arena working Changeover, and that got me into the stage, you know, got me good with the Iahtzee guys and became, you know, a union stage hand with those cats. I'm sorry, that was my phone. I should probably dim that down.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

It's alright.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

But uh, and so I worked at the arena and then I got a job, and I do that now. I'm an IaTe stagehand. I've been doing that. You're doing that 20 these days?

SPEAKER_04 4:35

Yeah. Cool.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

It really is like who you know. I I would say, you know, my one professor in college said it won't be about what you learned, it's about what you know, it's about the networks and connections. I didn't even think about it because I was young. I'm just having a good time listening to music and smoking weed and like playing music and meeting all these interesting new people. I was happy to be off Long Island into a place where just the just every it was there was so like I was going on right right by New York, right? Was didn't seem like there was a music scene in my area. There really kind of wasn't. Once I got to Elmwood, abandoned every house, it was amazing. You know, home of the hits, that whole row.

SPEAKER_03 5:15

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

And uh it was just a that really wonderful time.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

So, anyway, going back to Freeland, Freeland introduced me to most of the coolest people, you know, dropped my name to the dudes at at Tarabi for Music Is Art. We made it on the first Music is Art. Awesome. Wow. There's I'm just thinking your mama's got a strap on. What the hell am I doing there in these situations, right? Um, but through all that, uh, I eventually like met a play guy, his name was Kurt, through stagehand stuff, this guy, Kurt Schneiderman, another Kurt.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

Oh, another Kurt. Oh, everybody's there.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

And he had he had the subversive theater, and he was like, you know, Kurt, you do a lot of band stuff. You know, we're getting, we did this infringement festival last year tonight that he had gotten from Montreal. It was created in Montreal as a reaction to the fringe.

SPEAKER_03 6:09

Uh yeah, to the people who were just making it for no apparent reason just because they made it before or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 6:14

Like it was uh the cool kids. The deal with the the deal with the fringe was it was like, you know, you apply, you pay a fee, you might get in, they garnish the wages, um, it was corporate sponsored. And so these guys in Montreal, they uh they came up with a little idea to do their own festival. And that's what they did. And Schneiderman participated in that festival in Montreal, brought the idea back to Buffalo with Ron Emkey and a bunch of other great Buffalo people, and founded the infringement festival in Buffalo. I came on like the second or third year.

SPEAKER_03 6:49

Wow. Really early and on.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Real early, because they didn't know what to do with the bands they were getting.

SPEAKER_03 6:55

And you knew all the bands.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

And I knew how I knew that I can get them a room, and and we were getting cool bands from like Toronto and and Kenya. You know, it was very small.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

But because I knew all the bands, it kind of worked its way to a much bigger thing. Uh sing and a curse in the long run.

SPEAKER_03 7:17

I think infringement was the first thing you asked me about.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

I'll get to that. How so? Um, we were doing wonderful things. We worked, do stuff out of nobody's, filigree's, you know, something like this that's grassroots, no one's getting paid, it's all for the love. It's uh, you know, ragtag group of people who just want to do it. It's like very it's just a very interesting time. The place was right for it. And uh with all my friends and uh you know wonderful volunteers, they rocked that thing hard for almost 20 years. I did it for about 13. And I had a and uh David um Adam Adam I can always mess up his name out. Adam Chak, Adam Zick, Adam, I've I've been with him, it's it's been with working with him so long. I I'm just it's been a long day. I can't pronounce it right.

SPEAKER_03 8:10

It's okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

David, you know David, the violin player.

SPEAKER_03 8:14

Well I know who he is, I don't remember his eyes.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

David David took uh the street program that I kind of like and really put a lot of thought. David really took infringement to another level with the way he pro curated group shows and uh and just just the thought that he that he does. I'm just in awe of the way he curates, you know. Like I I'm happy to get things going. I try to get similar groups, but Dave takes it to a real another level and really comes up with great ideas, and the better the ideas that come in. I'm sorry, I thought I turned my phone off. It's okay. But uh it adds a little bit of texture to the opposite. That's alright, it's a cool ring.

SPEAKER_03 8:58

Yeah, we're we're chilling in in the 700 building right now.

SPEAKER_00 9:01

Yeah, we are in the illustrious 700 uh Main Street, known as Wasteland Studios. A lot of bands practice here.

SPEAKER_03 9:06

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:07

Uh this space is an art space. I used to do pudding, uh, but I don't do music anymore. I do uh I'm trying to do just relax and do some art. It's mellowed me out ever since COVID. I've got a guard or done the art bug.

SPEAKER_03 9:21

You've got the art bug, cool.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Uh not that I'm any good, but I like to make this stuff, so you know. And I like to do stuff with others, which always ties back to the infringement. Going back to the infringement, like infringement's only as good as the you know available resources they have, right? So when infringement explodes, now it's like it's not just Elmwood, it's not just Allen. Now they're going all over Buffalo, and it really starts to spread things thin.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

Really?

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Well, it dilutes the audience, it spreads the crowd out. Yeah, I mean, I couldn't. When it was at its best, everything was in walking distance together on Allen or on, you know, on Elmwood.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

It was still kind of a hoof, you know, honest to God. Like sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

Sometimes it would be. Well, yeah, we've done it for just so long, me and David. David quit and I quit the following year for our mental health, you know. It it was a lot, it's very hard because the band thing to get so everybody, because we had Michi's and we had uh whatever, whatever the bar was across the street.

SPEAKER_03 10:24

Uh DGB. DBGB. DBGB, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

Whatever it was, Days Park Tavern after that, and uh other things. It's like Mohawk Place, uh Milky's, it's just like they became it was a theater festival, you know? Yeah. It had all these things with it. It wasn't just theater, there was movement, there was like visual art, there was uh acting and workshops, and to be so large of just the music, it became a music festival, which it's wasn't really supposed to be an all-encompassing arts festival.

SPEAKER_04 11:04

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

It was not, and it's really hard to just be like, okay, I gotta throw 8,000 shows that will compete against each other in the city.

unknown 11:13

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

And then get all the bar owners and the bartenders upset because it's their livelihood.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

Right. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

You know, like some shows would be great, but some shows would not be great. Some shows could be accessible, then everyone's all the whole money factor. It's complicated. And then there's all like, well, I didn't get a Friday night, I want a Friday night. We want a Friday night in a big venue. There's only so many Friday nights in a big venue you can get. So now it's just it's juggling to try to cater to the the venue. There's a lot of stuff on the line. Very stressful. You know, you don't want to be the guy in there that ruined that bartender is weak.

SPEAKER_03 11:55

Who um who's in charge of it now these days?

SPEAKER_00 11:57

Well, what I know about when I left infringement, uh, well, Pam really Pam's, I'm I gotta I gotta hand it to Pam for carrying the torch when we left. I was not necessarily happy with the way it was going, being spread out, being diluted, and I voiced my concerns sometimes in a good way, definitely sometimes in not a good way. Uh but as years gone on, as me and David thought about what did we get the most out of infringement? What why do we like and why do we like infringement? Well, it brought our whole neighborhood together, right? We're doing all these crazy things outside. Um people felt like they could, like it was like a some type of artistic Mardi Gras. They really would be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

It really is.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

I mean, it was just at its best, everyone got creative. Now, at some point, the neighborhood changes and and uh times change and infringement is what it is, and I from what I understand it was really hard with volunteers, it was always hard in my day to get volunteers.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Um, and to do that. And I sure as heck couldn't come back just to be another band programmer in venues and worry about that. That I couldn't. That would not make me feel good. What I would like to have done is hey, me and Dave thought about this for for a long time. Uh, let's do only four days.

SPEAKER_03 13:17

A four-day festival.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Let's do I hate calling it a festival. Number one.

SPEAKER_03 13:22

That's alright.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

That's okay, call it a festival. But uh that's me. I'm the ass, I'm the asshole that doesn't want to call it a festival. I don't want to call it a few. No, I like to call it a showcase, an expo. I just hate the word festival. I think it's misleading. Goshi Gaji.

SPEAKER_03 13:36

It is a little bit misleading.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Uh well I mean the infringement festival is the infringement festival. It was. It was all over the place. You know, you can it is, in a sense, a a festival. But going back to what we want to do with it, um, four days, uh, only in Alltown, so it's all basically walkable. Yes. All right. We also thought that maybe we just to make it accessible all ages, let's not do anything inside the bars and have to we could do business around it, but let's not try to ruin their Friday or Saturday night. They got bills to pay. And it's really hard to be a bar owner in this day and age, ever since COVID. Oh yeah. So there's that factor too. So I don't, I mean David's like, yeah, we don't want to do it, we want to get the parking lots, we want to get the parks, we want to get the backyards, we want to get the porches, we want to get the residencies. Um and that's what we're trying to do. And uh so for and for a long time, and he talked to Bree about this the other week. Yeah. She has mentioned a little bit. Oh, there's my phone again. But uh, and Brie's been awesome. What I've been doing like since I left Infringement, and I think David too, um, to a degree is that we've always, and other people like the guys from the Sonic Wranglers and other other friends that worked with us in the past, um, we that we kept keep our little part of like music as art that we would do every year on the silos.

SPEAKER_03 15:04

Oh, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

So, you know, they would work on those with other people like Newt and uh Tyler, who's like the sound guy at the ballroom.

SPEAKER_03 15:14

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

Well, you know, this was you know, we created, I said, well, this is a refringe, like a reimagining type thing. We were doing it through music as art and at least programming an area. And uh me and Dave have been toys, like eventually we'll we'll do this thing. So about last year we were talking and uh to a couple people, not many people meet David, and we actually were talking to Mickey a little bit about picking up.

SPEAKER_03 15:38

Right, I heard a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

And like, Mickey, what are the dates that would be the best that wouldn't interfere with or anything? And he said, this is the weekend to do it because this is one week and this is another week. And uh so that's we were gonna get ready to do it. Uh we had maybe just a couple of discussions, it was really any impactsy about picking a date, and okay, let's start putting together a team. Uh, and then the tragedy had happened. Uh so we definitely uh with good reason, you know, mourned to not think about trying to bring this into fruition uh until maybe the end of maybe music is art last year. We said we're gonna have to do this because it is the time to do it. Um so I think in January we got a bunch of people together at this place, uh, made a couple of phone calls to some old friends, and me and David gave the pitch that we're gonna try to do this in Allentown. And we uh came up with uh, you know, we got someone to work on a website for all pro bono, all volunteer, and we uh put out the application up, we made a little announcement, and uh we got a hundred applications.

SPEAKER_03 16:49

Wow, just from that yeah, awesome, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

A little bit we figured we have we have very little social media, which I didn't want to use at first. We thought we'd go all analog, but the kids said they want some social media, so let them have it. It's not up to me. There's a new group of kids, and we're trying to, you know, set this year zero so we can hand it to them and let them do a new era, a new thing without maybe the baggage of the old crew, yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_03 17:15

Yeah, yeah, I guess that'd be a pretty job.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

It's just a new fresh way, and then some of these people don't even know what infringement is. So here we are trying to like carve a new path, and also this is something that's very important. We've been trying to not force but push the collaborative effort and the multidisciplinary effort. So it's like that's right, phones. Um we would love to pair the a musician up with a dancer or a video artist, or we can get all three or four or five disciplines together in one type of show and setting. So it's not just like a music act, you know, or just a show. Yeah, it's a lot of people. We want everything to be like an event or an environment when we do our group shows. Yeah. Um and all we can do is try, you know. We got a great batch of ingredients, and we're going over these applicants, and we're gonna concoct some really nice meals for everybody, I think. And I think everyone that participates is gonna have a unique time. We've been pushing the whole idea of unique, uh, unusual art and unusual spaces, and I hope we can live up to that. Um, it definitely um I'm already super excited about it. It's gonna be uh real hard and it's gonna be a real challenge. But um, I'm really happy with a new team of kids that are real excited about it.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

That is very cool. You're inspiring a whole new generation of this kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Me and Dave just want to see our neighborhood be keep that freak flag, you know?

SPEAKER_03 18:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

But everybody, you know, the Allentown Association, everybody I spoke to about it that knows me is like, wouldn't it be good if we just did four days and we kind of like did, you know, try to really like do something more than what we've done and relied on, you know? Like when we were doing refrigerator, we would we had these things set, you know, and we would do the same things every year. It could get stale, you know. And so here's a way to do something fresh where we don't try to do like the thing with the paper plates at the end this time, and we don't do a parade like we always did. Let's let's create some new traditions too, you know. So I'm hoping that we can do that, you know. It's it's the applicants are real excited, they have all brand new ideas, and David and me and David are there to kind of to play build that architecture for them to play on, and uh, it's all their ideas, you know.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

So is there a uh from this uh palette of artists, is there any uh musical artists that are really standing out to you?

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Well, I don't I don't like to say there will be bands in a definitive way. Like the artists that I'm excited to see is I'm excited to see David play his fucking violin on the street. I mean, I don't know who I'm excited to see that shit. I'm excited to see uh things that uh that that that have been the proposals. Like they're like kind of unique proposals. They're not there's some cool groups. Like there's a guy, um, well, the Wranglers are gonna do something. Oh my Wranglers. Uh they've always been like the forefront of this type of thing with the projections and the live art uh and uh he's got some new video art things going. While they're creating the music, they do create an environment.

SPEAKER_03 20:23

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

That yeah that that that brings a whole that it's more than just seeing like a band play. I think something like that is um it's just different. And like a band like uh Oxcab has a project, one of the guys, James from Oxcab, he has a project called uh Silo. And uh we brought them into some a residency, and this guy has four levels of his house, and he wants composers and people to be in different areas of the house, and he wants it to be like a 72-hour experience. That's a that's a big bite. I don't know if we go that long, but we want to you know broadcast it, broadcast it and project it outside and have certain speakers in different areas and around the house, and uh without looking at the piece of paper, I got a big stack of papers here. I mean, I can just thumb through it. Sure. But I mean right now I'm looking at the top and I'm just looking at like a there's like a whole bunch of fashion people, so I'm pretty sure we're gonna be doing a fashion show. This is all the art stuff, live painting. What I really like about the chemical makeup of this is like, especially the last years I was doing infringement, and then when I was out and I would look at the ratio, uh music was so dominant, like 75% over tour. Uh to the past couple years they've improved a little bit to my liking. And that's just my liking.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

You know, there I I'm not in the room to say what. I offered a suggestion that they should shrink it, you know.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

Well, it looks like you're getting what you want. Well, let's not get it. Well, that's what I'm getting, you know.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

They aren't doing one this year. That doesn't make me feel happy.

SPEAKER_03 22:02

The encouragement festival?

SPEAKER_00 22:04

I heard it's they're doing events, but I heard they were taking a year off because they need to reproof. It it me and David both felt that what we were doing at the end when we both left, it's like this is unsustainable, it'll drive us nuts, or it'll suffer. And so this was a way that we think that we could have improved the model. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but it's gonna be fun to try.

SPEAKER_04 22:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Well, um, let's uh like to oversell anything, but everybody else is super excited. But we've gone through all this art stuff. Hold on.

SPEAKER_03 22:33

Oh, it's alright, it's alright. I was gonna ask you a question. I was wondering like how what is the application like? When is it uh when is it due? How do they get involved?

SPEAKER_00 22:39

The applications are done. Yeah, it's finished. Oh, they just finished March 15th. March 15th. Oh, okay. Sorry about that. Let's see if it wasn't informed. I mean, I would dare say that if you really wanted to still do it, then try to file an application, but anything after this date, we couldn't make any promises. All right. Or you gotta just try. You just go on refringe.org. Um, there's a volunteer thing, there's a proposer application. Um, so if try to, you know, you could probably file out an app, and if that doesn't work, like you don't get an email back, like like if it doesn't take or whatever, like if it's not we decide to take it down, just send us an email to info refringe, and we'll see.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

It's got a big stack of papers, so you better move quickly with.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

I would say that, you know, I'm still going through a lot of the visual art, literature, music. All right, here's literature music. There's people that are doing like combinations. So, like, this one proposal says that they're gonna recite a poem with a didgeridoo artist. Interesting. That's one project. Um, there's this uh there's there's one guy who I just discovered that I've seen. I'm I'm happy that they applied. Uh is um Imu Daisu. This guy, Imu Daisu, Imo Daisu. He heard it by some of theisu.

SPEAKER_03 23:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Uh he's been rocking it at the open mics at Third Space, and every time he comes in, he floors everybody.

SPEAKER_03 24:05

Cool.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

And he and he applied. So I am stoked. I think that he's gonna throw a great show. Um, but I'm excited about all the combinations. I wish I could say one particular music artist that I'm looking forward to.

SPEAKER_03 24:20

Well, that's alright. We'll we'll we'll we'll head out with one song by the way. Yeah, there's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

I I I I'm just by going through all these. There's someone that wants to do a glass blowing demo. There's a lot of educational stuff. There's I'm sorry, where's more music? Um I know there's music in here. There's always music. Okay. Well, uh, Chris DeLugos signed up. He's one of the dudes that was an arm cannon, and uh he wants to do some improv synthesizer looper. That's cool. That's that I like Chris, so I'm stoked. That's cool. That's cool. There's a nice old guy named Frank. I don't want to be an ageist, but he just plays blues. He's just a nice guy, and he wants to play like under a tree. Okay. That's fair. That's nice. Yeah. That's some good scenery. Good scenery. It's like I said, it's and there's lots of little things. If anyone doesn't know what this is, it's lots of little tiny things, and a couple of like larger background backyard and parking lot type shows.

SPEAKER_03 25:16

And when's the festival gonna happen?

SPEAKER_00 25:18

It's supposed to happen. Uh well, the it's uh it's May 14th through the 17th. Uh May 14th is gonna be more of a silent programming. Uh May 14th is uh is a day that's kind of important as a remembrance in the city. Yeah, and we're gonna definitely uh acknowledge that with our programming. Uh, we like to stick to the dates that we had originally had thought of that weekend out of that, but it does c conflict with with us another thing. So instead of not doing anything, we feel like we could add to it and try David is working on some of the artists that are interested in doing that project. I it's so we really just closed the book on these apps, and I just know that we know that May 14th is gonna be more of an observant type of thing, a silent, silent programming type of thing. That's the plan, at least. And then uh 15th, 16th, and 17th will all focus on different parts of Allentown and like all be have enough events that are all walkable, so you that's the very cool.

SPEAKER_03 26:27

That's very cool. And are we still fundraising for this or anything?

SPEAKER_00 26:31

I haven't I like not asking for people for their money. We like to see it go directly to the artist. So unless we f feel that we need to ask for money, the only thing that we ask is that you support the artists when you see them perform and give them your money directly.

SPEAKER_03 26:47

Does it sound like good that's a good one?

SPEAKER_00 26:50

Somebody might yell at me a week from now and say we need money, but right now that's the plan. And even as it goes, David says, you know, help make this up with us as we go along. Uh there's a little sheet that we had put out, and that that's kind of part of it too. Um, and the I'm only operating on a couple hours of sleep because I had a long day and I really didn't sleep.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

So if I'm a little bit we we got pretty much all we all we need here. Um I'll keep talking. Uh no, no, no. You gotta keep it to a twenty five. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's alright, Kurt. Um, BMP listeners, remember these dates? May 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th. Your life may depend on it. Oh, I wouldn't go that far.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Max, do you have anything to say? Just may the sauce be with you, and it's been very informative, man.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

Thank you. Ben, thanks so much for what you're doing. Hey, no problem. Having a great time. Thanks for hearing me like rant like a lunatic about this thing that we're trying to do.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

It wouldn't be the same without my life would not be the same without it.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

Uh I mean, I guess the timing is perfect for it, so to speak. Um it's just a it's just the time I think the city could use some art outside invisible and in everyone's face. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:59

It's an important service for the city, man. Like what you're saying, like building community and stuff. This is pretty sad.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

And you can talk, you should talk to David because he'll talk all day about community. He's good like that.

SPEAKER_03 28:09

Cool, cool. Yeah, tell him to get in touch.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

I will. I will. Thanks again, man.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

Yeah, and thank you, listeners. Have a good one.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

May this one be with you guys.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

This just then, a double scoop of bad news. Man, life just isn't letting up. I feel like the walls are closing in, and I don't have a way to stop it. I wish there was somewhere I could go. Some place where I could just get away from everything and just be creative.

SPEAKER_02 28:44

There is a Buffalo creative workshop. Who said that? Spirit of creativity. I heard you're playing. I followed you to the healthy. Okay, in the Great Aerial Building on Elmwood Avenue. Use our space, our art supplies, and equipment to your heart's content. Let us help you beat back the stress and feel centered again.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

Wow, that sounds great. I'll check it out.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

Always remember, if the world has your creative spirits in rut, come to the Buffalo Creative Workshop for a pick-me-up. More about Buffalo Creative Workshop can be found at Buffalo.creativeWorkshop on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

After a long day, it's hard to turn off. That's why I go to Mammoth Cannabis on 212 Ohio Street. Their stuff will have you laid out flattered than a mammoth foot. From flour to pre-rolls, vaporizers to concentrate. You can rest assured that something big is waiting for you at Mammoth Dispensary. Just keep in mind, if you smoke cereal from the General Mills factory nearby, they can't help you. You have to go home and get a bowl yourself. It's a dispensary, not an eatery after all. It's the BP podcast. If you are artists, no matter discipline, we'll help you out. Don't believe in gatekeeping, we all gotta eat, and this is our way of helping out. And Joe's the host, it's Max the Cop. So here we go. Like, why you got a podcast? Everybody got dog. To be quite honest, I'm got a job. Looking at prospects like one going rock. Thank Joe for the pot. I'm not designed to crap. I'm too pretty for present. But talking off the dome. I'm finna make a kill. If Joe Rogan can do it, I sure can. I've never fucked a stool, so I've got the upper hand. If Joe Rogan can do it, I sure can. I've never fucked a stool, so I've got the upper hand.

unknown 31:05

It's the B and P pocket. It's the B and P pocket.