BMP (Buffalo Music Players) Episode 37: Brendan and Dakota from deb.

Brendan and Dakota talked about their band deb., and all bands that preceded deb. that they've been together in. 

Starting out in Fredonia, the two played in the same show and the rest was history. It goes to show the soil in the Buffalo and Western New York music scene is ripe for projects and long-term collaborations.

Now 10 years later, they're on the BMP podcast, talking about being in each other's weddings. That's the show, folks. You got it all hear on BMP.

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After a long day, it's hard to turn off. That's why I go to Mammoth Cannabis on 212 Ohio Street. Their stuff will have you laid out flattered in a mammoth foot. From flour to pre-roll, vaporizers to concentrate. You can rest assured that something big is waiting for you at Mammoth Dispensary. Just keep in mind, if you smell cereal from the General Mills factory nearby, they can't help you. You have to go home and get a bowl yourself. It's a dispensary, not an eatery after all. Hello, BMP listeners. This is Benjamin Joe. I'm Max. And we are with uh two members of the band Slow Animals, the Shaker Makers, and Dev. All three bands are all in together. Um, why don't you guys introduce yourself to the listeners? Yeah, for sure. Uh my name is Brendan. I'm Dakota. And um, you guys are in a band called Deb. That's like the original, the original band. The other two are cover bands. Correct, yeah. No, Deb is uh new original group that we started uh last year was when we first kind of got active with it with our friends Eric and John. Uh we all have like played in different local original bands over the years. Um and you know, it kind of just for a while, uh Eric Dakota and I were like talking about wanting to start a group and everything, and then uh, you know, eventually we kind of started to get more serious about it, starting to work together and write together, and then we were like, all right, we should probably get a drummer for this then. And uh John was the the first and only person that we asked just because we had played with him over the years with his other original band Previous Love, which is a really great local group. Um, and then from there we started jamming together and writing, and here we are. That's perfect, that's perfect. I mean, uh Dev is the more indie rock band, Matt Indie Rock, more of Indie. You know, your other two bands were uh Kinatus and um the rest. Yes, yes. I was listening to just a minute ago in South Cloud, and I was like, wow, this is a really like it's kind of I I dig that like. Nice, yeah. You know, totally different, totally different ballpark. Like it was surprising to me that the same guy was like, what was the uh the move? Like, what why how did that change? Like, was it just the years or like I think it's just like for that specifically, I don't know, like finding new ways to like challenge yourself and wanting to like branch out, you know, like the riffs is very uh kind of like classic rock inspired a bit, like bluesy rock. Yeah, bluesy rock. Uh Canadis is more like alternative rock, like mathy rock kind of stuff, and dev is more of like that like indie rock, indie pop style. And so I think we like specifically as it relates to Deb, um, you know, considering that we all have played in in different groups prior to this band and have all of the experience of what it's like being in different kind of genres of bands, um, we all kind of looked at it from the approach of let's do something that none of us have played before, a different style, and really try and lean into it while still maintaining like a lot of our inspirations and you know the music that we like to listen to and that influences our writing and whatnot. Um, so it's been a really cool balance. Yeah, I don't know. I think that's kind of like one of the cool parts of like playing original music and writing original music is finding new ways to challenge yourself, new ways to be inspired, and uh, you know, I think having the different sounds between the bands that I've personally been in, and it's the case for Dakota too, it kind of like speaks to that. Yeah. How did you two meet? Because you were saying off um off mic that you guys known each other for like 10 years. Yeah. So how do you guys make that uh brotherly band uh bond? Yeah. I'm so glad you said brotherly too, because I feel like it was like, you know, froze at first sight. Like we like it was um if you guys are you know aware of any of the Southern Tier music scene, there's um, you know, the State University of Fredonia is you know, there's like a really maybe I don't know, I don't want to say unknown, but maybe just like maybe um not emphasized area of um yeah, yeah, that's a better word for it. Um and so there's just one one dive bar there that consistently has acts throughout the week. Um and BJs, yes, DJs, yes, absolutely, yes. Um shout out BJs. And so you know, we were on the same bill. We just we ended up playing a show and we warmed up for the rifts as the fix. Um and it was just, I mean, in general, the bill was stacked and it was a really, really great, um, you know, just a great event. And uh Brendan approached me and just asked if we wanted to play some shows at Good Bar, and then the rest is history. Well, they're easy, huh? It was very much the kind of thing too where it's like I've had this happen with like several people I've been in bands with over the years, where like a lot of times when you are playing shows and stuff like that, it's customary and natural to like, you know, after the show you go up to them, like, hey, great job. And it's like genuine and everything. Yeah, but there's been a handful of instances, and thankfully it's resulted in people I've ended up being in bands with where I'm like, hey, that was awesome. It really spoke to me. I loved it. Like, let's be friends, you know, and like wanting that to turn into jamming. And with Dakota, that was very much the case where like I thought he was such a great front man, such a great guitar player. His original music was so cool, and uh and it just made me want to like make acquaintance with him, become his friend, and like hang out and stuff. And so, yeah, it started off with us just kind of we played a few shows together and then we started to hang out with each other, and then Slow Animals had an opening for uh our guitar or one guitar player left, so we had an opening, and it was like, hey guy, we've been talking about wanting to do this together at some point. Would you be interested? And he's basically jumping to happen. I would like to think so. Yeah, I mean, we've turned into like best friends too. Like, I was in uh Dakota's wedding last year or two years ago, and he's gonna be gonna be at my wedding this coming October as one of my groups, too. So gotta pay it forward, yeah. No, for sure. But it just yeah, it just speaks to like you know, it it's one thing to like have similar music tastes and everything like that, and like it's just a completely other, like different animal, though, when you like vibe with the person, and like I think that leads to making better music, you know. It gets really exciting too. There was I one time we went to Shaky News, it was a few years ago, and I just remember like it was more or less like the uh the beginning of us becoming like really close. And we just started talking about like yo, we need to start, like, we need to start writing and collaborating, we're like talking throughout the whole time, like whether it was coherent or not, like what our plans for the future were, you know. No better place than a music festival to do that. I guess do you feel like your friendship adds like a depth to your songwriting or how you guys go about making the music, like you guys almost have like your own language type of thing, or you can go into more deep, deep uh ideas or feelings or whatever? I really think so. I'll I'll go first. I I a hundred percent think so. I think like the best bands, in my opinion, are the ones where in the ones that I've been in and and bands that I love where there is that level of bond between the members because when you're making original music or even doing like the cover stuff too, like there just needs to be like, especially with original music though, like writing, there needs to be a certain level of like I always describe it as like a vulnerability, right? Where it's like yeah, it's a trust, it's a vulnerability, it's uh a mutual like respect to. And and so I think like considering how tight Dakota and I are, like, it makes me feel more comfortable bringing a song idea. I think he would say the same, it makes him more comfortable bringing song ideas, bouncing ideas off of each other, trying things even if we don't think it even if it won't work or something, it's like still having that trust where like I can say something, maybe it'll land, maybe it won't. But if it doesn't, it's not like I have to be like, oh my god, like does he think differently or anything like that of me as a musician? You know what I mean? So it's like it's cool to have that uh that level of of bond and trust where like I feel like we're very much aligned as like musicians and how we like like to make music, but also as friends, and it plays off of each other in a cool way. Do you agree? Yeah, it's like a it's it's like a full faith and confidence thing to me. You know what I mean? When you're like when you can bring an idea to somebody and it ends up being like there's no like harsh judgment or like like very you know quick like dissection of the material necessarily. It's just like what is this is this is what I'm thinking. You can be completely visceral with it and just you know, not not worry about like having any sort of like judgment or scrutiness or anything like that. Totally. It's just about like pushing each other to make like a better end problem because that's ultimately what it's about, right? Like some ideas work, some don't, but ultimately in pushing each other to be the best version of ourselves that we can and make the best music that we can, you know. Totally. And I don't know if you guys have had this experience too, but in collaborating with anybody, like a lot of times you end up in a situation where it's like you got people who have hard and fast rules, and they you know end up like commanding and taking over the whole thing, and like just has never been like that with Brendan. Yeah, no, just like in you know, just in in in the best possible way, like a lot of collaboration. Totally, totally very cool. Is that the same with the rest of the band too? I mean, is there like a collaborative? Oh yeah, like yeah, for for Deb especially, like it's a little bit of a different dynamic with like the cover bands because it's like the main part where there's like give and take is with like song selection and stuff like that, like you know, like what we're gonna pick to do, but with like original stuff, you know, with Deb, like we really all um like trust each other creatively and I think like admire each other too creatively, you know. I I think like Eric plays uh previously played, kind of does still now in a in a Rochester-based group called Animal Sounds, where he was the front man. Uh John drums in Previous Love, and like those are two bands that like, in addition to them being two like great friends of mine, they're just two bands that I really love too. And when I see them perform, they're the kind of artists where it's like I lock into them. Like, I lock in when I'm watching John Drum because how good of a drummer he is. And with Eric is a front man and he's singing, like you just like are drawn to it and you lock in on it. And so I think like having that level of like admiration for one another and the respect, it like allows us then to yeah, like it it really is like the best idea prevails in a way, and there's no hard feelings if somebody's idea doesn't get accepted or whatever. And so, yeah, it's really cool the the collaborative nature. Like, we all sing in the band, um, we all contribute, like writing songs, like we all work on each other's songs, but like whoever introduces the song, it's not like you we're barking orders, like you're gonna do this, you're gonna do that. It's like this is the idea I have, let's build this out. What do you think would be cool for your part for this? Oh, and then kind of letting whoever presents the idea, like kind of take the the direction with it, but not like where you're too hands-on. It's more so like, well, what do you foresee when you were writing it? Okay, here's what I think could sound cool here for a verse or a bridge, or like what if we put a guitar solo here? It's just like stuff like that where everybody's like we're all kind of firing on all cylinders and and contributing in our own ways, like equally. You know, it's it's just like amazing because you guys have both been in the theme for such a long time, like with different bands, but well, I really gotta know because like I know that I had very little time to even brush my teeth in the morning. But um, like I uh I wonder three bands all at the same time. Like, how does that how does that dice up during the week, like during the day? Like how does I mean yeah, plus we all have I guess I guess the big thing is like why? Like why like what what what what love of the game? I mean it's so much fun in the game. It's so much fun, it was crazy. Like I don't think you know I never imagined playing for even like as many people as we played for at Borderland. But we did Borderlands Festival last year with Shakermakers. It was right before it was uh right after Band of Horses and right before Vampire Weekend, and it was it was crazy how many people. Uh well we were on like a side stage next to the main stage, and we probably I had like a few thousand, I think, probably for it. But it was dark too, but like there's really if you go to the Shaker Makers Instagram, you can see we have some really cool like videos from behind where we were uh we were covering Champagne Supernova and we had like everybody in the crowd doing like the phone lights, and it just spans way back and like yeah, so no, it was it was pretty it was pretty trippy, yeah. We uh I think there was probably two, three thousand, I would assume, for that. That's what we were told at least. Well in that moment, like just like that amount of light was just like whatever the amount of people there like didn't really matter. The fact that they cared that much to be doing that was just you know, unlike anything. Oh really, so that's to answer your question in short, like that's that's why. Yeah, and it's like because like Oasis, like the the two guys like are known to be fighting each other at all points in time. You guys need to be like doing so well, but you know what? They're now Oasis, the Gallagher brothers are are back to being brothers and good pals again, and they're not fighting anymore. So there's harmony there, there's harmony with our bands, so it's it works, yeah. It's it's cool. But no, and then to your point too, with like the the being in three bands thing, like it definitely is a lot because like we also all have like day jobs and stuff too that um you know take up the first part of our day, so it's like trying to balance yeah, like work and then allotting the right it was like allotting time to put the working with the bands and and personal lives and stuff like that. But it's helpful at least that like especially in the case of slow animals, like we've been going at it for so long and we've played so many shows over the years that a lot of it is like second nature for us, where we can get away with like not practicing for a month or two, one practice in before a show, and we're like, all right, let's go play three hours, we're ready to do this thing. Hardwired it. Yeah, in a way it is, it really is hardwired. Like, yeah, yeah. A lot of it's like muscle memory, right? Like if you've you know, like played the same pattern, you know, over the course of like five years, you know, a few shows a year or something like that. It's kind of like you probably you don't play at sleeping night. Yeah, totally, yeah. Where do you guys want to be? Like, say, like in five years, like are you still doing Soul Animals, still doing Shaker Makers, still doing dev? Like, you know, I think it's like a solid groove that like through a full fan on. God, I hope not. We need a threshold at some point. Yeah, um, no, I I mean I would say so. Like, I don't know. I feel like that is some like music is something that, and I know that this is the case for Dakota too, that's just like a part of who I am as a person. Yeah, and like I just never want to like see myself as the kind of person that like I reach a certain age and it's like I don't think I want to do this, and you know, like I shouldn't do this anymore, you know. Like there's a lot of really, really great bands locally and all over the place where it's people who are playing and doing the damn thing in their 40s and 50s and 60s and 70s, and it's like to me, like five years from now, success would be like continuing to build upon the the really great like fan bases and audiences that we have between the bands and just like maintaining that. Like, I don't know, I just I don't want to stop with it, and like you know, we both like Tota's married now, I'm gonna be getting married, and like we uh, you know, like for my fiance and I like we obviously talk about the future and stuff and wanted to have kids someday, but like we've it's been cool that like her and I have like had the conversation where I'm like, you know, obviously family always first, but like even when I'm like a parent, like I don't want to stop playing music, and she's like so supportive of it. And I think that's the thing too, like with all the groups that we're in, but definitely with Deb, because two of us are married, two of us are engaged right now. Like, we all have such really amazing supportive partners who like are like, no, why would you stop? Like, keep doing it, like you know, they always come out to the shows, they're always supporting us, like we bounce ideas off of them. Um and like we wouldn't genuinely be able to like continue to do it if we didn't have that level of like a support system with like the amazing woman that we all get to like be with on the other side of that who allow us to do this and like absolute shot enable partners, yeah. Shout out to the partner. No, for sure. So yeah, like it's cool. Like, I want to keep, I don't want to stop, yeah. Like five years, ten years, like I want to be doing this shit when I'm gray, you know. Like, okay to swear about it. Yeah, no, like I I don't I don't want to stop, you know. Like it's just it's it's such a part of my identity, and something that like since I was a kid and first got into music that has just like been ingrained in my soul that like I just can't foresee myself ever button up. Can you remember? And I was just questioning too. Do you guys remember like the moment where music became like a party? I have my story. You go you go first, so it's kind of coordinated together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me, so like I'm 31 right now, um, and like my like beginning of my adolescence or like early part of my adolescence was like when YouTube was first coming around. And so relating it back to Oasis, like it was probably like 2007 or whatever, and it's like one of those things where, like, you know, after school, I was in like seventh or eighth grade, and you're, you know, my friends were over at my parents' house and we're circled around the huddled around the computer watching YouTube videos, and everybody's like taking turns, putting stuff on. And it was this was around the time where I was like, man, it'd be really cool to like learn to play guitar. Like, I had always wanted to, but had never like materialized or done it. And like I was like really into sports too, and I was younger and stuff, which still am, but like whatever. And uh my one friend put on the music video for Wonder Wall. It was the first time that I had like really like knew what I was listening to with it being Oasis and like seeing, like not only hearing the song, but like seeing the like aesthetics of the music video. Like it's a cool music video, it's like black and white, very artsy. Right, yeah. And I remember like just I like it just got burned into my brain. And it was like sitting there and listening to it, and I was mesmerized by it. And I'm like waiting, and I'm like, shit, man, I really like everybody go home so I can like lift this band up, you know? Like, and I and so then after that, it was like I dove in and just like for the rest of my adolescence with just like whether it was like Oasis, the Beatles, and the Strokes, like the first three bands that I really fell in love with, and it was all kind of sequential, like fell in love with Oasis, which then made me fall in love with the Beatles, and then after that, I fell in love with the Strokes, all within like a year of each other. And it was like, I just remember spending so much time when I'm like 13, 14, 15 years old, just like sitting in front of my computer watching every music video, every live performance, every interview, and just like an Oasis song uh Slide Away, which was a beautiful song. There's a version of it, a live version on YouTube in Chicago, 1998, where Noel Gallagher is just playing acoustic guitar and singing it to this huge crowd, and it was like the first time I ever cried to a piece of music. Like I was singing in front of like my computer, like with tears in my eyes, because I was so moved. And so it's just like I feel like I have so many of those, like with those three bands, those like you know, like earth-shattering moments for me where just everything changed, and like who I was as a person changed, and like what I wanted to look, what my interscore changed. Um, and so yeah, it was really like as funny as it sounds because I know people like meme Wonderwall into existence now, like joking about it. It is, but it's a great one. It's one of those songs where it's like it's as popular as it is for a reason. And like and so yeah, I just touched by something. Yeah, right. It's so it was that it was like I felt just like so moved by it at like that kind of like pivotal age that like I just I was hooked and just couldn't stop after that. That's like I mean, that's an iconic song. I mean, one way you want to look at it. Um but yeah, so um for me it was kind of like we just had an old piano in the house and like eight-year-old me is just like excited about it. Um so four years later, so I'm playing keyboard in my dad's cover band, and then just like in in bars as a 12-year-old, just like I'm just here for the good time, you know. Um, and then yeah, from there just like you know, kept uh kept falling in love with artists, really similar story, and uh now we're here. Really that's it. They just started playing, and that was uh just wanted to keep learning stuff and keep being involved and uh you know eventually start writing original music, and now thankfully I can do even more of that. Can I ask Dakota a question? Yeah, sure. Yeah, obviously you guys thoughts too, but like because I like I like my family was not very musical. What was it like having like a musical parent like that? Yeah, well, so I didn't um learn from my dad, actually. I uh he he does play a little bass and stuff like that, but most of my uh most of my learning on piano was from uh very lovely old woman in town named Dottie Blakely. And she just shouted like, Dottie. If she heard this, she'd be so happy. But no, she was a real, real mentor to me, and just like you know, was like an Oberlin educated pianist, classical pianist, could play basically anything. And so really that's where it came from. And obviously, you know, my parents fostered that love and were big Eagles fans, and like, you know, I still love the Eagles to this day for that reason, and so a lot of definitely a lot of nurturing in that way. Um Gottie essentially a wonder wheel. You could say that, yeah. You could say that in a way. For me, it was like I was really big into Green Day for a while and still have an appreciation for them. Um, but you know, they they really got me into like understanding what like you know, what a band could be and how much sound could come from three people and like what uh you know, like how how to craft a story really and make that, you know, iconography and imagery a part of the music too. I think that's that's a cool point too, just to like because it kind of ties back into your guys' question, but like I feel like with like Getting into music early, and we've talked about this, I feel like, before too, but it's like for songwriting and stuff, like it it really was like you I was very aware of how Oasis and the Beatles and the Stroke songwriting moved me. And it was like, man, if I could ever like make even one person feel to a degree like what I feel right now, like how gratifying, you know? And so that's why it's cool, like getting to play like these shows and stuff like that, like whether it's our own music or cover music, and like getting to make that connection with people, it's like there's there's no greater rush in the world than than getting to do something like that. I guess I'm wondering, like, what are you guys uh playing in Deb right now? Like what's what's happening in uh in along that front, so to speak. I mean, we so we got we got a a lot of ideas, a lot of completed songs that we've been playing live that we're gonna be committing to, you know, a physical forum one way or another. Um and it's all what's what's really cool about it, and one of my favorite things about how we write and what kind of comes out is so far it's been very influenced by so many various genres. It's not like you know, we're all very into um, like I don't know, shoe gaze or all very into like math progressive or you know, even like indie specifically, like we're pulling references from artists that aren't even in different spheres and uh, you know, amalgamizing? Is that a word? Amalganizing could be putting them together. Yeah, I like it. I'm gonna make it talk to it. We're sure we're making words up now. Um, but putting things together in a way that's unique to me and I think unique to a lot of the a lot of the rest of the band, and that's that's been the most exciting thing is how can we take like a boss Nova and just like all of a sudden make it alt-rack? You know what I mean? Um so that's been really cool. Are you cut are you guys dropping anything soon? Or yeah, so we put out our first single, Ankle Weights, back in August, uh, which has been awesome, like how well received it's been. Um, you know. I think I remember reading about that. Yeah, we yeah, yeah. We uh I mean we just like you know, not that like streaming counts are the the be all end all by any means because it's like it'll drive you crazy numbers, but we uh yeah, we surpassed like 20,000 streams on Spotify. Thank you. No, we appreciate it. We've been putting a lot of work with it. But yeah, so we're gonna um so we have that out, and then yeah, we're hoping like we'll definitely have like another single out soon. But we're kind of trying to work towards doing like an EP or something like that. So maybe we have the music to do it, and we have the songs that we're kind of zeroing in on that we want to record next. Yes. Um, so yeah, we're definitely planning like 2026, more music out, several songs, hopefully like a proper record, like an EP. So yeah, we're we're really stoked on it. Well, keep just posted on that. And uh for now, why don't we uh play a clip of that ankle wave? This just then a double scoop of bad news. Man, life just isn't letting up. I feel like the walls are closing in and I don't have a way to stop it. I wish there was somewhere I could go. Some place where I could just get away from everything and just be creative. There is the Buffalo Creative Workshop. Who said that? The spirit of creativity. I heard you play and I fell to do the healthy. Okay, in the Great Aerial Building on Elmwood Avenue, use our space, our art supplies and equipment to your heart's content. Let us hope you beat back the stress and feel centered again. Wow, that sounds great. I'll check it out. Always remember, if the world has your creative spirits in a rut, come to the Buffalo Creative Workshop for a pick me up. More about Buffalo Creative Workshop can be found at Buffalo.creative Workshop on Instagram. And we're back. Now, um, I was just wondering, guys, like y'all have been in the scene for a long time, you probably know a lot of people at Buffalo. I mean, in this broadcast podcast, we really try to emphasize that you know it's like ability to raise the child, like we all help each other with good neighbors. That's not always our our rep sometimes, but like in the music scene especially, I think in your guys' case, you we probably know a good amount of people who are like integral to the journeys of so many people in this city. Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally. I I think it's interesting because like it depends on, I guess, you know, the certain corners of the scene or whatever, and even in different like cities and stuff, but like it's very much a thing that certain people can treat it as kind of like dog eat dog, and very like, you know, I need to get a leg up on somebody and like put other people down in the process, and like I just that's just not how you build a scene, you know. I think when you look at like a scene like Buffalo and like the scene that like we're a part of with like our groups, um it's kind of the thing where it's like you know, I everybody thrives together, like we should all like come together to build this so that it's a community, like right in water, right? Exactly, exactly. And like that's the cool thing is that like we I mean, at least you know, for the the three bands, like the cover bands kind of like they play solo a lot, but like um for like Deb and for like the other groups that I've been in, like you know, it's uh I always place like a huge emphasis on like wanting to try and play with different people and get introduced to different people, and I think that's really amazing with Buffalo is that like there's just so much depth to the music scene that there's a great indie rock scene, there's a great alt-rock scene, there's a great heavy scene, there's a great RB scene, there's a great like jazz, um pop, country, Americana. Like it doesn't matter what the genre is, like, there is an immense amount of talent, and like in addition to just like the scene building portion, it's also just like the best way to meet cool people, you know. Like a perfect example of it, right? Literally, though, right? Like, we're we're getting to chill with you guys because of like just like knowing each other through music through like Instagram. Like I met Dakota through us playing a show together and being like, hey, dude, let's hang out. Like, that's you know, like how we met John, too, our drummer. Like, you know, Eric and I have known each other since college and stuff, but also it was because we both were involved with the music scene there, like in Ferdonia. Um, and in Buffalo, especially, like, you know, like the guys in the Shaker Makers are literally all people that we have been friends with from other bands that we got together to like make this group. Slow animals is the same premise. So it's really cool how there's this community and this bond and this friendship, and like it's just about like finding the other people who want to lift up each other, you know. That's what makes it way better is like promoting each other and supporting each other, and also like even beyond that, like it's not even like it's like an obligation, it's just like other bands are really fucking good, you know. So it's like it's easy to want to like root for these people because it's like cool people making cool stuff, trying to support each other, and like you can't ask for more than that, and that's why like it's definitely had its twists and turns along the way, but like Buffalo's music scene is just really, really like one of a kind and cool in that way. Oh, can you name a few uh people? Yeah, oh my god, so many. I mean, like we said, previous Love is a great band that uh John and then Gary, who plays uh guitar in The Shaker Makers, really great band. Um, Alamantra is another really great group. Tuesday night is an uh Tuesday night's awesome. We're really tight with them. We've known them for years. Um there is Kev Sampson in the night shift, uh their fantastic band. Uh Grosh, amazing. Crazy guys. Um Danielle A, who she's kind of jumped around from like a few different groups, but is doing like a solo thing now. Um she's fantastic. Uh God, there's so many. Alex MacArthur. Alex MacArthur. Oh my god, of course. She's phenomenal, like amazing jazz vocalist. Um, yeah, there it's just like there's so many. Uh, you know, Animal Sounds, which is Eric's other band. Savo Highway know them super well. Um got it. It's just like it's never ending, you know. It's like you are like helping each of these bands by promoting them, then they're probably doing the exact same thing for you in their daily live. Yeah, no doubt. And it's just like being a good friend, you know, and just like being a good part of the scene. It's like, you know, it's that you gotta like be about it and you have to, you know, you do that for someone, they do it back for you, and it's just like a natural thing as compared to it being like transactional, which I feel like in the music industry, like anywhere is such a problem, you know, like where they it feels so like hollow and transactional and weird and this whole conversation is making me think a lot about uh music as art, where like it really epitomizes everything we're talking about. Like totally we played on a stage where you know we're playing our indie pop, all rock, you know, kind of music, and then you know, two or three acts after that, it's like a hip hop act. Yeah, and everyone was so cool and talented, and just to be able to have that wealth of you know variety, yeah, is just and you can talk to any of these, and any any of these performers, any of these artists, and they'll play a show with you. Not one of them is gonna be upset or like you know, have have any sort of uh opposition to that, you know. So it's a really cool thing. Also, pro social, amazing local RB artist rapper, our good friend Jorel. He's like, again, it's another person that like you just meet through the scene and you become tight with and like, oh yeah, and also he just makes amazing music that I just like will listen to on my own time or go to see him perform because it's like you want to do that. Like that's the other type of two, like going to shows and stuff and like getting crews out to go see people. Um Hunter Plus Club, another one. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna keep doing this now. I hope you guys are. I forgot about some. Yeah, right. Right. Space 2, which is a local hardcore band that uh we're tied with from like Ferdonia and stuff. I went to high school with one of their members and have been good friends with him for a long time. Um and they're like blowing up. They are a lot of great people come from Ferdonia, like all great music school, man. Like the thing is, it's funny. It like I feel like all of our friends from there like didn't study music. Like our music, our friends who are in bands and stuff, they weren't like music students there, but they're just like the music scene there is so tight. Speaking of Johnny and the man kids, another one. Yeah, no, for sure. So it's cool. Like, there it's the music scene in Fredonia is awesome. Like bars and house shows and stuff like that. It's it's really great. Oh, all right. Robbery Club, another one. Yeah, nice, nice. For Van Bingo, all these bands. Yeah, literally all. Seriously, you gotta get the boards out. Yep. Well, I think that's all the time we have for today, guys. Thank you so much for being on the on the show, on the pod. Uh, Brennan, thank you for the first time. Oh, thank you guys. Yeah, both of you. Actually, and one other thing, too, for a quick shout-out as well. You know, we're talking so much about like the bands and the artists and stuff, but there's also like the other engines that make all this work, which is like the artists, like people who are like designing posters, photographing bands, um, two of our like really good friends, both in terms of like the scene and personally, like Joe Farrini and Matt Sleds, um, two of the best photographers around, and and like that's just two of an endless amount of others who uh Jacob Carroll, another one, who like people like you know, it's one thing for us to be able to make the music, but the people who are on like the artistic side of it, the creating the art, taking photos, flyers, all that stuff, like that's what like gives the vibe to the bands and everything like that. And so, like, it's it's goes hand in hand with one another. So I just wanted to also throw that out too. But thank you guys for that. I love seeing a stock for at the show making those great images that like you know, document that night and like this band, this sound, this crowd. Well, what about you guys? What are your guys' like where do your tastes typically lie when it comes to the you know? I mean, I I listen to so much music because of the show. Yeah, like it's hard because like every single one of them is like, yeah, like I really want to go listen to uh B-roll Casper. He's a uh hip-hop artist, but like some of his stuff is so good, and like it's it may not be completely up your uh guys' alley, but like no, we're big hip-hop fans. Hip hops are huge. Hipality, and then and then on the other hand, it's like hardcore, like see now when he's playing with dual tone. I love to go and see um uh war bond or uh space like you're talking about. And um Sarah Bellum, any of those people from uh gags gag studios are very nice. They put on these great all ages of shows. Like you said, there's a lot more than just music, like people organize music behind like recording the shows, and then you stay on the venue that stay alive. Um artists and and just the crowd in general, because like they don't have to go and like like take t time out of their lives to go to these shows, but they do it to support the scene, or they do it to support the artists, so it's just like sometimes like a lot of times I'll go to a show, I'll see the band for a little while, but then I'll just end up talking to the fans. Yeah, because it's like you take a break, get some french fries or something like that, go to Milkies, get some wings, bring at the bar, you start talking to somebody about music. It's just like that is what it's all about for me. Sorry. How about you? I like um you know the indie rock and the rad scene. I like people that do like a little bit more weird stuff to like kind of the bumble. Do you know bumblebee? I don't know if I'm familiar. Have you heard of Nash? I feel like I've seen the name, but not like deeply familiar. He's always wrong with like the operation infinity. Oh, okay. Yeah, I just like to see the local, more local artists and stuff like that. Nice. Um it's very clectic around here, so that's why I like that's awesome. We'd love to have you guys out at uh one of our shows coming up soon. That'd be awesome. Well, uh BMP listeners, that's all we got for today. Uh please feel free to tune into the next one, or if you want to go into a back catalog, we've got a bunch. They're racking up there over at uh Buffalo Musicplayers.bugsprout.com or any of your streaming platforms. And uh that's it. Hey Mac, do you have anything to say? Same thing I say every time, and it's hard to be with you guys. Alright, thanks. The bringer of life, the bringer of unimaginable joy, the cause of catastrophic destruction. Knowing that you have something so powerful, wouldn't you want the best to take care of it? 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