BMP (Buffalo Music Players) Episode 38: MVRRO

MMVRO talked about his life as a beat maker, producer, and rapper in Buffalo on the BMP podcast. Coming from a family rich with musical talent, he said always knew he could find that 'blank canvas' right on his equipment. He'd lose hours in his room building music.

These days, he juggles full-time employment and his passion. You can find him on most streaming services including Spotify, Apple Music and Soundcloud.

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SPEAKER_06 1:57

Hello listeners. This is the BMP podcast. My name is Benjamin Joe. And I am Max. And we are here with a couple of very talented guests here. We got Mauro, Stubb, and the R R O and his man uh Kimo. Yes, sir. Hey, what's going on? How are you guys doing today?

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Can't complain. Can't complain at all. I just got out of work. I'm here. You know, we get into it.

SPEAKER_06 2:22

Awesome, awesome. I I'm really looking forward to chopping it up with you guys. I've been listening to music all day. It's just been like it's been really great. Um everything drops till what's that what do you call it the first steel dream.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

That's the mixtape coming out.

SPEAKER_06 2:33

That's the mixtape coming out. So you're like a producer, like that's what all your your your uh your social media is going on to. But I I'm hearing a lot of freestyle rap and some pretty good bars right in there. So I'm not sure that you can really honestly call just call yourself a producer at this point in time.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

Yeah, you know, it's it's tough to uh it's tough to juggle sometimes, but yeah, producing is my first love. Like that's that's what I the first thing I woke up every day wanting to do. And then, you know, other than that, rapping, of course, that's always been the thing. I was freestyling with my cousins, like literally rap battling. I used to love Smack URLs, so we used to watch our older cousins sit there and write bars and try to write something so they could come back to the next battle and have like these intricate bars and whatnot. So I grew up watching that. So that's always been something I love to do. Um, but my love really came into you know producing, like writing a song together. And naturally, as a producer, when you're making these beats and as a rapper, I'm I'm listening to stuff like that. You know, that started just to merge over time. So the lines just got grown.

SPEAKER_06 3:44

That's very cool. That's very cool. Um, what what did you start off with? You're producing, like a garage band or whatever? Or was it a phone or was it Fruity Loop the first thing?

SPEAKER_01 3:53

So actually, Fruity Loose is my third VAW. Okay so I started with um it's called uh loop labs club create. So basically, this is uh online software where you could just take different loops and make beats that way. So I was making beats like that, and then you know, just playing with loops didn't really do nothing for me after a little while. Like I wanted to be able to make the like play the keys and you know, really beats. So I went on foundation, which is a this at this point I'm like 14, 13. I go on foundation, and that's another free online service that you could just it has a studio all online. All you have to do is have Wi-Fi, get on there, and you can really make a whole beat, flesh it out, quantize, like everything.

SPEAKER_05 4:39

It's it was like Band Lab before Band Lab, pretty much?

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Uh Ban Lab, Bam Lab, yeah, yeah, Band Lab before Band Lab. That's just that, yeah, yeah. Um, and then from there, I wanted I I went to my uncle's house after my grandpa passed because you know he my uncle took it over at that point and he had FL Studio. He was already making beats. I made a beat over there on FL Studio, and it was cool. Then, but ah damn, that's my part. I'm jumping around the story. It's one part I actually do have to mention because this was very important. Okay, and it's something that I realized, right? So seventh grade, I live in the east side right now. I I grew up in Riverside, though, but I I live in the east side right now. Riverside, that must have been intense. Oh, I mean, it wasn't that intense.

SPEAKER_06 5:23

Actually, my wife, my wife lived in Riverside with you the both.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Oh, yeah? Yeah, it it was intense for sure. No, don't get me wrong, it is the hood, but like it for me, because I was able to, you know, my parents made it real kind of simple. They said, like, y'all not doing certain things, and that's that. So us not doing those certain things, we don't have to get too far into that. Yeah, no, no, no. Just kept me in places that I I needed to be. So I never really had to. Well, I of course I had to deal with my certain stuff, and I always was going to the east side anyway, every weekend. Um, I never really got into too much stuff because I was always in the crib making beats or trying to go play basketball.

SPEAKER_06 6:03

Would you say about the violent kind of town?

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:06

It can be.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

I mean, read it in papers, but yeah, yeah. I mean, every everywhere has that. Like, you know, because it's not a hundred percent peaches and rainbows in any place, even if you go to the you know, why does the town, like whatever, right? Yeah, oh yeah. Rural places, like, you know, you got people catching bodies out there, right? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 6:26

Like, a lot of meth labs are made in the country.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

It's all kinds of okay. It's it's it's violence everywhere, so it's like your story. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, my bad, my bad. So seventh grade, um, shout out to my my man Devontae. Shout out to Devante. Devante. He um, if me and him, one of my best friends in our high school, I go over to his house and we walk from McCarthy Park all the way to his house, which was a nice little troop. But when we get back to his house, we open up FL Studio. And at this time, I'm already playing with um, you know, Luke Labs and Club Create. So at this time, he's opening up FL Studio. We we just downloaded on his computer, just download the demo, and we open it up, and we're looking at it like what is like he would even tell you, we just looking at this joint, like, what is this? And just messing around, playing playing with stuff. We didn't even end up making a beat. But that moment, you know, fast forward now. I live on that same street, literally four houses down, and I'm a pro at FL Studio. That's what I use. So now you fast forward after that um, you know, seventh grade couple years go by. I'm in high school now, um, in ninth grade, tenth grade. Um, I download FL Studio again because I'm done with foundation. Now I'm like, okay, I'm ready to get an actual 808. I'm ready to get like because I'm ready, I'm moving, stepping up, I'm leveling up past that level. So I get to FL Studio, and I just have the demo. I don't have the full version, so I gotta make all my beats in one sitting because you can't save it on a demo. So I would make my whole beat right there, export it, then boom, that's that. And I I made hundreds of beats that we then I found, then I got the full version. I'm not gonna say what kind of full version. No need. No need no niche. But I got the full version. And uh at that point, you know, it was it was up since then. That was I was a junior in high school by that point when I was on the full version at FL Studio, and that's the only thing I've been using since.

SPEAKER_06 8:25

It sounds like like you just kind of grew up in it. Like, you know, started with the rapping, and then like I guess what I really wanted, what would motivated you to start and what motivates you to keep going on it? Because, you know, it's been like 12 years since you were 16. Like, that's a long time to hold on to something.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

That's true. Um, well, my family always been deep in music, you know. In all areas, my dad, my uncles, um, my cousin Casmatic, um, just a whole bunch of my godbrothers, like everybody was rapping and doing music, so I just always seen it. But what motivated me was actually doing it myself. And oh, you took pride in your work, basically? Taking pride in the work, but enjoying and loving the process and doing it. You know, when I'm when I'm sad, when I'm happy, when I'm whatever, when I'm stressed out, when I when whenever even I got mad other work to do, I know if I need a quick second of peace, load up FL Studio and I got a blank canvas, uh blank canvas, and I could just it's like your outlet. Yeah, like I could just pull here, boom. And then I can pull here, pull here, pull here. Next thing you know, I spent two hours just like creating something. You know, and it's it's that that feeling when I do when I'm in the process of creation that keeps me doing it. So much to the point where it's like second nature. Like I don't I don't even plan to go make a beat tomorrow.

SPEAKER_06 9:49

I just do it, do it second like for second nature. You have like a schedule? Do you have like a wake up, make a beat, or make wake up and start tomorrow for two hours and then then go to the job and then like or like is it more of a I've got five minutes here, I'm just you know, I'm just gonna go sit down and do something when I can, like irregularly, or like so the older I get, that's a good question.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Um the older I get, the more I realize how important it is to have a schedule for all of this stuff. Because I you know, I don't do just usually uh I'm a videographer, I don't film, I do all types of other stuff. I I work a full-time job, you know. So you know, I I understand the more the importance of having a schedule. So I should have that. Unfortunately, I don't. It's more that destroys my second question. I do five seconds, I got five uh minutes here. I'm about to make a beat. Oh, I'm I know I'm supposed to be in the shower right now, but this idea, let me just get it out. Like, you know, it's stuff like that. Like not the itching, because I can't, I I know if if an hour goes by, I'm not gonna feel the same way about this idea. And you know, a lot of people feel like, you know, that just must mean the idea, not all that. That's not the case. It's it's literally even when you hear a beat, like when uh when you're rapping and you're writing a song, when you hear a beat, a lot of artists they don't even write or record until they well, they don't even listen to the beat until they're ready to record because they don't want to you get all your freshest ideas from when you first hear something. So when you first put on a beat and you start freestyling, those is a lot of times gonna be the best ideas. But just like a lot of things, even love sometimes, like you don't look at it the same way you did when you first saw it. Right. Or when you first heard it.

SPEAKER_06 11:37

I know that was an ethos, uh, the like the first thing. I've heard about in other things, like books and stuff like that. There's that big move in spontaneous prose, right? Like, but like that that goes on to beats too. Like you're not supposed to like you make beat, but you just keep it hidden until you until you ready to record it.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

I I don't I don't like to move in when it comes into art supposed to, like oh yeah, well, you know, better too, maybe better. Well, even that, right? I don't I don't even like to say that because I know it's subjective for everybody, but for me personally, I know the moments where I'm not thinking about it that much, or I'm not forced to think about it that hard is the moments I get in my best stuff. So, for example, in the shower, I'm playing a beat and I'm in a shower. When you're in the shower, you're not thinking about your movements. Your your brain is all caught. So all your your when you're showering, this this is stuff that you've been doing for 20 something years, 30, 40 years. Yeah, yeah. Your body is doing it, your brain is free to think about things that you know it it never had to think about before. That's why we always get good ideas while we're in a shower, because your brain is now working in ways it don't have to.

SPEAKER_06 12:44

I thought I was just taking the dirt out of my head or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 12:48

It's very common for like musicians and stuff to come up with ideas in the shower and stuff, because even like the the sound resonates differently and stuff. That sound resonates.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Same thing with driving. Yeah. So yeah, when you're driving, your brain is kind of in that same state of doing things by muscle memory. I mean, of course, you're watching and stuff like that, but it's almost like a meditation of the thing, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So that's how it is with me, you know, the biggest part, and I kind of operate that way. So that's when it comes to the beats, it's kind of hard for me to have the schedule because I'm like that. Like I kind of need within that five minutes, I gotta have this idea at least put down somewhere. If if the worst case scenario is going right in here in my voice recorder, but that's basically the process right there. I gotta do it when I can.

SPEAKER_05 13:35

I've noticed that a lot of your beats have a lot of like texture, like a lot of like background noises, you have some vocal harmonies going on on there, stuff like that. Um, how do you go about that? Like, do you come up with like the vocal harmonies first and then build around it, or do you have like a whole beat and then you add like extra stuff after, or is it just like depending on how what you feel at the moment?

SPEAKER_01 13:53

It depends on what I feel at the moment. Um, you know, because every beat is kind of like its own, it's its own painting. Sometimes people start with the foreground, you know, draw the figure. Sometimes people start with the tree in the background. You know, sometimes I start with just a drum, sometimes I'm going through sounds and I just I hear the textures first. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So I hear the like the little and I'm like, okay, and I build around the textures, like so it just depends on what what that painting really is requiring from me.

SPEAKER_06 14:28

So uh, well, I mean, let's get into it. Well, what are you fucking with right now? Like when it comes to beats and stuff like that. Like just in general music? Just in general, well, yeah, and just music in your music your stuff too, but like like what what's going on?

SPEAKER_05 14:39

What's your is it like a producer that you're fucking with right now, or you're just like, I'm I'm at the top right now. I'm only the first one. Oh, I'm not.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

No, no, no, no. I'm I'm I'm listening right now. I've been listening to that baby Kim heavy right now. Okay. Like that that baby King thing has been on a crazy repeat. Uh I've been listening to uh Don Tyler still, that's still that's still running uh his project. Um as far as producers go, I like I've starting to become more of a fan of Biniacs.

SPEAKER_03 15:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

You know, he's he's dope. Um, and of course, you know, you got the local producers that I wrote, yeah, like Kev Morey, you got like Kevin Spears, you got you know it's it's so many different names that I could name. I don't want to leave nobody out, so I'm not gonna say no more names. I understand that. But yeah, like other than that, like then we get back into uh music. I would have to just I will have to look, but oh Larry June, I've been listening to Heavy. Um still, I kind of started getting more into Mexico Drone because my roommate uh Nelson, shout out to uh side effects. He uh he's been playing a lot of Mexico Drone, and I've been hearing it. I'm like, kinda rough with this. You know, he got that slow southern Gucci main-esque vibe about him. You don't gotta say too much deflex, he just kind of just says stuff like I'm walking down the street, then I you know, stuff like that. Like, but I love that, like, even in the project, you don't hear even me dive into it. It's just how you carry it. I don't I don't have to be super braggadocious or nothing like that. I'm kind of telling you where I'm at at the at the current moment, and I'm uh listening to the music where people are kind of doing that, they're not trying to portray nothing.

SPEAKER_05 16:22

Yeah, the mundane doesn't have to be mundane as long as you present it, you know, exactly in a certain way. Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 16:28

Yeah, that is very cool. That is very cool. Um you use autotune, you use those tool, like I think you said beforehand that you're like at an auto 50 auto at this point.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

Yeah, to be honest, I'm uh it really is like that because my first, well, before I say anything, my goal is t-pain. You know, so that that says it all right there. Yeah, my goal is of course my goal is t-pain. So, like, you know, when T-Paying dropping, everybody looking at it like, oh, everybody gotta use auto-tune. I knew T Pain can sing already. Like, I'm I wasn't looking at autotune like a corrector, and that's what everybody kind of looks at it like. No, it's they look at it as a corrector, but it's not it's not a corrector to be used by people who can't sing. If you can't sing, the auto tune is just gonna sound worse. Like, like the autotune is made as a tool. Yes, it is a corrector, it fixes little things, but it's made as a tool to give your voice some coding as it's hitting these pictures. Yeah, it's it's used for voices, it's used for basses. You know, sometimes your bass all the way isn't in tune. Maybe it just needs a little bit of something to hit that pitch. But what people don't really realize is that auto-tune gives it a character, you know, a certain character, which is a good thing.

SPEAKER_06 17:42

Yeah, it's like a different kind of microphone.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

Yeah, yeah. Each auto-tune that you use is it's it depends on which one you use, but they all give your voice a different character. So it's it's a lot into that. So I I love auto tune because of the things that it add to it. I add auto-tune on all my sessions, even because I'm an engineer too, so I record other people. I have singers that come in there all the time that can sing they ass off. But oh, can I cuss? Yeah, okay. This is very hard. My bad, my bad. Okay, so so they can sing their ass off, but I'm gonna put that auto tune on there because I it doesn't have to be super strong and like where it's like like like T Pane would do it, but it still gives it that character, like it's it's a it's a certain roundness that it gives it. That's the way I can really explain it. But I use Antera as autotune, autotune pro, and that's the one I use because it gives it that extra character, like a it's like a roundness. I that's the only way I can explain it.

SPEAKER_06 18:40

I love hearing sound guys talk about sound because it's just like trying to go and talk to somebody who who does not know anything about sound, but like I I can understand little things like you know, the the shape of the sound. Something like that. I love that. I love talking to sound guys and they go on about that.

SPEAKER_05 18:54

What was the moment with T-Pain where you were like, okay, this is my guy, and like I want to learn from him? Well, there was never really just one moment.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Or were you just growing growing up during that whole like where he was just flooding the airwaves with just hit after hit after growing I'll I grew up off of T-Pain features, you know, T Pain hits, T-Pain major songs, buy you a drink, you know, shoddy, like you know, every little every I'm sprung, bro. Like, you know, all of these songs, like he was on what he was my first concert, too, I think. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like it was it was more goes deep. Like that that um show he did here, can I was like that was my first that was well, it was free. Yeah, it was a free concert. I had to go there, but I mean, I'm glad I did. It was I got there super early, so I was I was in the middle, you know. But people was climbing over the highway, basically, trying to trying to get over into the show. It was like 22,000 people by the time uh T Pain.

SPEAKER_06 19:58

I remember that. That was that was insane.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Yeah, you say that that was the show that like saved his career. He was he was about done before he did that. Like so Buffalo don't get the credit. Buffalo don't get the credit, but he definitely he said it multiple times too. He was like, Yo, Buffalo, New York. I'm like, Yeah, but he come back to his though, yeah. Yeah, he do a uh he do something here. That one he was charging for it, that one I did not. I love you, but not that yeah. Well, I mean, hey, I like you. I'm not like that. Like, I'm trying to make it out. I'm not I'm not about to spend three minutes to see you, but but uh it's that's that's basically what it is. But past that though, it's just that and just how he he came out with with the auto-tune using it the way he wanted to use it, mind you, it it he didn't start autotune. Auto tune was a thing that people were using for years and years and years before T Bay, but people gave him all the hate for it and he didn't give a fuck. He liked so what? Yeah, and I might use it again, like you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna use it more like and I'm gonna go on mass singer and go crazy, like you know what I mean. Like it's he I'm gonna go on mass singer and then show y'all I can really fucking sing. It's just yeah, T Pain T Pain is dope to me, man.

SPEAKER_05 21:16

No, Artotune is like an industry standard, and he's the one that kicked that off pretty much, bro.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

He kicked it off, and he went flat broke and told the world about it. And you got to see him go flat broke, get money back, sit here and tell you getting that big chain was so stupid. I'm not doing that. Don't do that. Yeah, go into gaming, go into streaming and do all this other things and find all this other success. You can't like you can't look at that and be like, you know, this is you know what I mean? Like this ain't the goat.

SPEAKER_05 21:47

Like Well, as as an entertainer, he definitely is probably one of the more um open and honest, you know.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

So I can definitely appreciate him for that. We need that in a world where a lot of people are still trying to portray things like not. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:01

Well well, I mean, um can you tell us one uh a track of your own that that you'd like to go and hear a clip of to show the listeners what you're all about?

SPEAKER_01 22:09

Yeah. Let me see, let me see, let me see. This is definitely gonna be from the project because that's uh you know what's coming up next. Everything is green.

SPEAKER_06 22:23

Well, you don't have every single bar of that measured, like memorized by right now by now?

SPEAKER_01 22:27

I still when I tell you having every single bar of it is is is hard because I'm not so much music. When I tell you I've I made this project. I made this project and I made this project and I've probably made about 15 songs after. Like just I'm still added to the account. Not to the project. The project, whatever's on the project now is not, but it's just I got some of the music. But what I will play is creator. Oh, we've got something new on the ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Uh probably shivering the snow, because I feel like that song right there is probably gonna be one of the it's it's the one that people, you know, I've been previewing and people's been going kind of like not so old so far. Going to gaga like white-eyed. But what I love about the song is kind of what I was talking about with Mexico Dro is just talking about where you at. Like, I'm I say in the song, woke up in the middle or at the house in the middle of the street, took a shower, then I'm brushing my teeth, uh, hit a smile, smoking really good, weed, freestyling over really good beats. Work check came in, so I'm tea, I paid the bills, now a nigga at peace. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm just a new client asked me how much for a lease and bought a couple that'll get me through the week. Like, I'm just talking about like regular daily stuff that you know resonates with me and why I see the world a certain way. And in the song, I'm saying uh the song is basically just talking about your perspective. I say in a hook, uh summertime bringing butterfly doors out. Uh don't act like you ain't know, but you know now, but you would rather shiver in the snow, huh? So basically saying, like, it's it you can look at everything like it's summertime, you know, you can have your butterfly doors out, you know, you know it's there, but you would rather shiver. You would rather look at everything like it's so cold, you would rather close yourself off. And in the verse, that's where I get into me talking about the regular things of why I'm seeing everything the way I see it. I'm a regular dude here, working on things. I got a little work check. I'm making beats and people buying a couple leases, it's getting me through my week. Nice. I this these are the reasons why I'm seeing the summertime, you know what I'm saying? So that's what we don't want.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

All right, well, look at well, listen, uh, check this one out Summertime when the butterfly goes out. Don't I let you in though cause you know now? But you know what I'm saying, it's no house.

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SPEAKER_06 26:02

And we are back. Uh, Mauro, I gotta ask you, uh, and we go into this a lot using this program because we're all about the community of Buffalo, we're all about the community western New York. Um, can you tell us a little bit about like your relationship with uh with Kimon here? Like and how uh you guys like started air quality and uh start promoting your work.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Yeah, so I mean uh air quality was on him and Ian Robinson. You know, they I already was building that before I, you know, before we really connected. Well, I met Ian during a summer program. You know, I said this in so many interviews at this point, so yeah, I'm gonna just direct you out of those for that long last time. But you know, I will get a short version. You know, I went to I was in EDP, which is the summer program. Um, Ian, um, who isn't here, that's my other manager. He um other uh owner of uh Air Quality. Uh we met over the summer program. He was uh he was my peer advisor at that time. And after the summer program, we started just hanging out. He saw I was doing music over the summer, and he wanted to manage me at the time. I wasn't ready for one. Um, then we all kind of just started hanging out more. I was going over to 7-Eleven with Ian and Kiman, and they was already starting the process of building their company.

SPEAKER_06 27:20

To be clear, 7-Eleven is the number of an apartment, not the actual store. Just to draw the picture a little bit more accurately.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

Oh, yeah, yeah, no, no, we was definitely at the store, man. Like we were living in the cooler. Yeah, but but yeah, yeah, we was in uh 7-Eleven, um, the apartment 7-Eleven, and they were throwing parties and whatnot, but I was I wasn't going over there for the purpose of parties, I was going over there and just hanging out. Um, eventually we just started making music over there, and as time went on, we just developed a brothership that ended up, you know, morphing with the music and becoming, you know, what it is now, what you see today. Just brothers just pushing each other through this whole muck of a uh music thing. Music industry. Yeah, so but just making our own way, you know, not gonna be able to see what we did and be like anybody else did like that. Right. Or anybody told them they had to do it this way. No, we did it the way we had to do it.

SPEAKER_06 28:26

Awesome, awesome. So the new album is coming out in um May?

SPEAKER_02 28:33

Oh, April.

SPEAKER_06 28:34

April, in April, Disney May. It's actually a mixtape. So it's just like physical media that you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Well, I guess it's just the way you classify what the project is, but I wouldn't call this an album. It's uh it's more of a mixtape. It's it's something that um I didn't I'll say the album, the one that we focus on more is coming later.

SPEAKER_05 29:00

Okay, so wet the appetite kind of.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is this is gonna this is I just want to put some music out there that you know people people have been telling me I should have put out there for a while, you know, feed the the world, you know, for a minute, and as I go through life and keep experience and stuff that makes me actually want to write something, that's an album, or actually want to make a theme, or you know, you take that very seriously, I can tell.

SPEAKER_06 29:26

Like you're a real artist. Like you're not just you're not just a content like copy machine or anything like that. You you you need to keep it human. What do you think about AI? You think that's is that gonna highly my my my my mind just goes out.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

No, no, that's a good no I these these are the kind of questions I love. But no, no, no, that's that's a beautiful question because you know AI is one of those things that's that's kind of scary right now because you don't you think you don't think about um you know you like to you like to think about the artists first, right? You know you want to think about people who may be stolen from, right? I don't feel like AI as a tool for music, as a tool for music and small other things is too much of a problem if used with precaution and you know we're not using it just for whatever, like you're not a a producer that's consistently going to AI just because you can't think of something like stuff like that, right? I I look at AI as it's a good tool. I don't I don't find anything wrong with it. The only thing I find wrong with it is when you start stealing from artists and you start stealing from people who like me who have been doing this for years and developing a sound.

SPEAKER_04 30:46

Spotify.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Yeah, yeah. You know, like doing it for years and and that's the thing too, even even when when we speak of Spotify, I can talk about how I feel about the state of streaming too, but like I don't I don't think AI is something that should be used as like how we use a keyboard. You know how we use a PM. It's not an instrument, it's not a tool, you know, to be used as such, like an EQ. You know what I mean? You use it in moderation, you don't uh paint your beat with an AI, you know, you don't go to AI to make the beat for you. You're not a producer at that point. You know, 100%. Yeah, you heard it first. It's you know, it's it's it's a tool. You you can you make the drums or whatever, you get AI, you know, okay. I'm looking for I can't make it. I'm looking for R and B. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking for an R and B sense. All right, cool. AI brings out the scent. Okay, okay. Now you adding your own sense to it. Now you know what I mean. You're beefing up, like, you know, you're not just AI. Okay, cool. That's the beat. Like, it's it's not the beat at that point, bro.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

You know what I've been saying lately? It's like a haircut. Yeah. If you get an enhanced, like art artists or barbers that use enhancements to do the basics of the haircut, like you have to know how to have do an actual haircut, a regular Caesar or whatever it is that you do, and then you can sprinkle some enhancements on it. That's AI. Like, I think that's okay, but I do think that the issue with the industry is that major labels are and have always been shifting away from artists. And how do we alleviate the middleman, which essentially is the artist, unfortunately. Yeah, um, and we use it through AI. Like I keep watching podcasts where people will play music, and they don't realize until they play the song, oh, this is an AI song. This is this is completely AI. It sounds good, but then you sit and think about it, like, damn, somebody is not getting paid for this, or somebody's voice is being stolen and used for this, and then they're putting it out to the consumer for themselves, not really for the person like Gamaro, who sits at a computer and writes and thinks and is creative with it. They just, you know, put a prompt in and they just go. So I just go. Yeah, I think it can be useful, but I think it's just there needs to be some regulations around it for real. We're gonna start having like AI music awards. It's crazy. Let's hope not. Like, come on, let's not do that. Like, that's that's my opinion.

SPEAKER_06 33:23

You know, who am I? I won't share my opinion because it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

Yeah, I mean, we already talk about AI, so it's already crazy.

SPEAKER_06 33:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's already crazy. Well, I'll say I'm just saying um when the robots do become like in robot form, walking around the planet, I just hope they're not abused. Like I want them to have good, healthy lives.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Hey, you know, ain't no ain't no uh what do they call it? Um they will be abused.

SPEAKER_06 33:52

I think they will. I think they'll be like, I don't I don't see any way that they can't be, but like I'm abusing everything else.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

Whenever I use Chat GPT, I thank it. I think it's actually my poster, so I don't bro, you're not about to come back. It's gonna it's gonna come back. You're gonna remember the ventures like oh you you said you used to think with you.

SPEAKER_03 34:14

Yeah, I'm like, that's about to be neat.

SPEAKER_06 34:21

Well, on that note, um uh what can we plug in anything? Something that somebody can go look up look up right now of your work. I know you're on SoundCloud, know you're on Yes.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

Uh the first single from Everything's Green is out right now, Tom Bal. Um, I did the video with Luke Mann or Luke Bird, shout out to him. He's also a crazy producer, he's also a crazy MLP and O artist, too. Um check his work out too. He just dropped the EP uh not too long ago. Um, but yeah, so uh we shot the video at the Bison Stadium. Oh nice that was that was pretty dope. Wow, a dope experience. Nobody people was coming up to me asking me, like, who would you talk to? We didn't talk to nobody, we just walked in there and shot it. Like, I bought two tickets. Don't nobody go to the bison game. You know what I'm saying? And we should honestly not low key, like we should be more support those games. Yeah, like I we would do that for the bills, and bills tickets and whatnot cost hundreds of dollars. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 35:18

No, the guys they are definitely the most underappreciated Buffalo team. Oh, we should like the pants down.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

Tickets cost like seven bucks.

SPEAKER_06 35:25

They'll let you win. They'll be like you walk in like halfway through the game, the guy will just be like, Yeah, sure, go.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

Like, but what I know, what I realized my first time going, you know, I went with a friend, and it was just uh going to the stadium, going to the going to a game. Yeah, like it was fun. Like, I've never that was my first time ever going to a baseball game.

SPEAKER_06 35:45

It's a boring sport.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

It's a it's a boring sport, but when you're there, is is the energy there. Like, I would it made me 10 times want to go to a uh MLB game. Like I would love like I would love to go to an MLB game just after that. Well, probably not because they're so crowded and you're probably waiting in the lines. The Bison Stadium is nice and not too many people there, you know what I mean? You can get your beer real quick, you can sit back down, you can have fun with your people who's like I gotta kick out the press area.

SPEAKER_06 36:12

There was a lot of food, so I was like, oh I'll get some, I'll make a sandwich for myself. And they're like, hey, are you impressed? I'm like, I could be. Do you have a press pass? Uh no, please leave the press area.

SPEAKER_02 36:27

I went to my first bison game last summer too. So I agree. I think we should support it. And then I went to a Toronto Blue Jays game, and that was that was different. That was different. But it is definitely baseball is definitely the most boring sport I've ever been a part of. Like it wasn't super like energetic, but it was good to be there. You know, that was just to be present. And you know, in reference to what Marl was saying about a song, the single Tom Bao, T A L L, so people know it's Tom, like T-A-L-L, not talking about Tom Bao. Kind of like kind of like country-ish. Yeah. Oh, that's the whole thing for me now. Yeah, it was well received though. When he um Marl's been like really killing the content game, because you know, today in our industry, whether it's journalism, music, whatever, social media is like the driving force. Absolutely. Like you said before, you gotta post consistently. So he's been doing a good job with just stacking up on content to promote this new project coming out, in my opinion. Being that he has the video skill, the music skill, the audio ski's like a one-man band to just kind of figure it all out himself. So very, very well-received single. I'm sure the project people are gonna love the project when it comes out. Um, but yeah, I I do want to shamelessly plug. He also produced Air Quality's last project um last summer too, called The Gravitate. Uh, you think he did two out of the four tracks? Uh, two out of the four tracks. But he's on every song. Wow. Yeah. So the video is out already. If you go to Air Quality's Instagram page, you'll see Marlowe in both the um six hour senior video, and what's the other one we did?

SPEAKER_01 38:10

Uh Hotline. See tomorrow hotline. Yes. And he's also in a video too. He raps.

SPEAKER_03 38:15

DJ 16 years old. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:19

None of that none of that entire pod. We're gonna have to have you back.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

Uh you know, y'all will have to have him back for multiple reasons. This dude DJs, this dude raps, this dude is, yeah, he he's in higher education.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do a lot, man. I just but I I just accept my role as like the like god more god-giving gift, I like to say, is I'm the person that connects the the uh those two people together. Like connect with this and this and that, and I just kind of like let it be, you know. But every now and then I might get on a song. He tried to get me in a booth all the time, I just don't be having the time no more. Between DJing and his negative stuff, I'll be like, bro, I don't even got nothing to talk about. Like at this point, I don't have nothing to talk about. But it is fun, and I I won't stop because they won't let me. So guys.

SPEAKER_06 39:08

All right. Well, BMP listeners, you got a ear pull today from Ear Quality and um morrow. Yes, yeah, and uh got sign off with that. With that, what do you got? Okay, Max.

SPEAKER_05 39:18

Same thing I say every time, guys. May the sauce be with you. It's great meeting both of you guys.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

Same brother. May the sauce be with you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 39:33

This just then, a double scoop of bad news. Man, life just isn't letting up. I feel like the walls are closing in, and I don't have a way to stop it. I wish there was somewhere I could go. Some place where I could just get away from everything, and just be creative.

SPEAKER_04 39:54

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SPEAKER_05 40:18

Wow, that sounds great. I'll check it out.

SPEAKER_04 40:21

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SPEAKER_05 40:54

We all got a way of helping up. I sure can I have the store, so I got the upper hand. If you're rocking and do it, I sure can I have birth of the store, so I got the upper hand.