Detention Diaries

Make it Make SENDs #2 - Follow the Empathy Road: Educating for Inclusion with Ginny Bootman

Detention Diaries

Join me on this week’s episode of the Make it Make SENDs podcast as I chat with the remarkable Ginny Bootman — a SENDCO, former headteacher, author and champion of empathy-driven SEND education.


🚀 In this conversation we dive into:


  • Ginny’s journey from classroom to leading inclusive practice
  • How empathy, trust and relationships make all the difference in SEND provision
  • The current state of SEND legislation, what’s working and what still needs to change
  • Practical advice for teachers, parents (like me, father of an autistic daughter) and anyone working with young people
  • Ginny’s favourite strategies, time-saving hacks and what she’d change overnight if she could


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Thank you for listening, and a huge thank you to Ginny Bootman for bringing her energy, insight and passion.
 Hit play, sit back, and let’s get into it.


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