NIL or DEGREES

Episode Summary:
In this jam-packed episode of themidMAJORS, Tacarra and Courtney dive into the hottest storylines in women’s basketball right now. From the shifting NIL landscape in high school and college hoops, to the value of legacy vs. money, we’re breaking down how the game is changing for athletes on and off the court.

We chop it up about the impact of sports betting on college sports, the latest signature sneaker drops (Sabrina, Angel, Rickea), and the evolving culture of women’s basketball footwear. The conversation also digs deep into WNBA salary negotiations, player compensation disparities, and the financial growth of the game.

Of course, we couldn’t skip the tea — including the Seattle Storm drama, coaching leadership styles, and draft projections. Plus, we debate the MVP case for Kelsey Mitchell and the Rookie of the Year race featuring Paige Bueckers and Sonia Citron.

If you love real hoop talk, unfiltered takes, and behind-the-scenes insight into the women’s game, this episode is for you.

⏱️ Episode Chapters

00:00 – Introduction & Personal Updates
06:48 – NIL & High School Basketball Dynamics
12:15 – NIL’s Impact on College Goals
13:41 – Setting the Scene: Aesthetic Adjustments
15:55 – NIL’s Impact on College Athletes
18:55 – Lessons from College Sports: Beyond the Game
21:03 – Coaches’ Perspective: Balancing Tradition & Change
23:52 – The Value of Money vs. Legacy in Sports
26:41 – Generational Shifts: Adapting to New Realities
28:05 – The Transfer Portal Phenomenon
31:03 – Realistic Expectations for Athletes
34:03 – The Shift in College Sports Priorities
36:56 – Sports Betting & Its Impact on College Athletics
39:51 – Signature Shoe Drops & Women’s Sports
42:43 – The Evolution of Women’s Basketball Footwear
54:31 – Style vs. Comfort Debate
55:41 – Shoe Reviews: Our Personal Picks
58:46 – Signature Shoes & Their Stories
1:16:35 – WNBA Salary Negotiations & Revenue Sharing
1:20:20 – The Financial Growth of Women’s Sports
1:22:25 – Disparities in Player Compensation
1:24:56 – Support for Player Demands
1:26:12 – Drama in the Seattle Storm
1:27:45 – Workplace Issues & Team Dynamics
1:36:03 – Leadership Styles in Coaching
1:43:56 – Draft Projections & Player Utilization
1:45:59 – Underachieving Expectations: Notre Dame Case
1:47:43 – The Rise of Paige: A Star in the Making
1:50:12 – Kelsey Mitchell: MVP Conversations & Politics
1:52:01 – Team Dynamics: Building Around Kelsey Mitchell
1:55:13 – Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis: A Name to Remember
2:06:12 – Closing Thoughts: The Future of Women’s Basketball
2:10:36 – Outro

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Transcript

Tacarra (00:08)
What's up y'all? Welcome to the Mid-Majors podcast where the real hoop talk happens unfiltered and unapologetic. I am your gracious, humble host, Takara. And tonight, as always, I have with me Mrs. I did it on my own. Mrs. I had my Mid-Major moment and I did it for me. Mrs. I ain't need nobody. I impressed myself. Let them know who you are, Courtney.

Courtney (00:37)
I don't have anything crazy good like that. My name is Courtney.

Tacarra (00:42)
And that's all you gotta say, sis. That's all you gotta let them know, sis. They know what it is. They know what it is. It's so funny, because I was telling Courtney, my coworker was like, hey, did your homegirl, did she ever find a name? I know that you said you was the original 21 Savage. So did she ever find a name? And I was like, you know what?

Courtney (00:46)
Okay, they know, they know.

Tacarra (01:06)
It is still pending so I don't it's pending we don't know but it's okay cuz I was like, know She was number 24 mama taken 24 was Kobe. So I mean this 20 I'm trippin my fault my fault That's what I'm saying my bad on it my I don't know what if I get 24 from my fault But anyway, yes, but uh, we can come up with something with 25 though. I can help you out with it Cuz I'm good at names

Courtney (01:07)
It's Pindy.

That's crazy, but my number is 25. I wouldn't even want 24 or the mamba, like, you know.

Okay, I'm down with that.

Tacarra (01:34)
That's like my

thing. That's like my thing. So I'm good at names. I don't know why I got 25. I don't know what I guess because all this research and shit I've been doing all week. I've been, it's been a lot. But we got some really good things for you guys today. Today, be patient with us. Cause I was telling Courtney before the show, I'm like, it's a lot to pull up. It's a lot of things to get into. So you guys are in for a treat tonight. So I've got like, let me pull my notes and stuff up. So, but first and

Courtney (01:45)
Girl, that part.

Tacarra (02:04)
us while I'm doing that Courtney like how was your week how's things going how you feeling about the show let me know what you thinking

Courtney (02:10)
No, I'm loving the show, still getting very positive feedback, which I really like. But same old same old over here. Working, wifing, parenting. know, same old shit, different day. But I love that the podcast kind of breaks that up. I get a little time for myself, for my homegirl, and get to talk about something that I love. So, what about you?

Tacarra (02:20)
Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah, I totally.

It's been cool. Like it's been cool. It's been cool. Um, so I was sick. I was sick over the weekend. So I had to like take a bunch of meds. Like I was cong... I don't know where this came from. I guess we could... So I live in Georgia. If anybody's know, I live like probably 15 minutes from the city of Atlanta. Um, I was sick all weekend, like congested, nose running, um, getting rest. But you know, today I came back like Jordan because you know, it's my birthday weekend coming up.

Courtney (02:59)
Okay

Tacarra (03:02)
and I told myself, let me tell ya, ya kid, hey, what's the, ⁓ don't film me now, like Missy Ellie, hey, body don't film me now, because I got a long week ahead of me, I need for you to get it right.

Courtney (03:04)
Yay!

girl, you

would have been out there anyway.

Tacarra (03:17)
I'm

trying to tell you I'm trying to tell you regardless Regardless, I would have been out there anyway, but I was just like hey, let me get this together cuz I felt it come but I'm one of them people though I'm really on top of like I'm aware of like, okay I'm getting sick but when as soon as it okay soon as I do a little mmm, let's get rid of this. I'm gonna be on the ginger. Oh Absolutely, absolutely

Courtney (03:36)
Okay, so you're like a medicine person. Me too, okay? It's some

people that just aren't medicine people. Like, you know, I'm like, ⁓ like my husband, he's like that. He's like, ⁓ my nose. And it's just like, you know, and I'm like, okay, well take some, you know, take some NyQuil, take some, nah, I'm good. I'm like, okay, then whatever. Like.

Tacarra (03:44)
Thanks.

That's me in. That's me in.

I'm legit like first of all, I got a whole I got a whole drawer of teas I got a whole as soon as I'm ⁓ I get a little sniffle a trail go to Publix get that a vapor X for the shower that vapor Mac Whatever is called vapor whatever for the shower go get that. I'm gonna do the vapor rub on my chest I'm gonna take some ginger tea or put some honey in it. I'm all day on my throat a little let me do this for my throat Let me get I got it all on deck. So yeah, I'm winning people

Courtney (04:01)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Well James is

like that like he girl he be just coming up with concoctions like if it's good for you He gonna put it in the tea. He'd be like, I'm a little turmeric a little cinnamon I don't want that just just give me my drugs. Okay, I'm gonna take some night quill. I'm gonna go to sleep and I'm gonna feel better I don't want to take the tea. No one

Tacarra (04:34)
yeah. ⁓ yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

I'm a, I'm a also one of them people who, if you, if you got any FSA, essay, HSA questions, I'm your girl. I'm one of them. know the system.

Courtney (04:51)
No!

That's right.

Tacarra (04:56)
Yeah,

I know the system. You use this on your HSA, FSA. I'm one of them, so I'm on top of it when it comes to that. But, anywho, yes, I'm feeling better. Like I said, I came back by Jordan. I'm back for the podcast. I'm back for the show. I'm ready to go. I'm feeling good tonight. I listened to that new Gunna album before I got started. And that Gunna album's fire, by the way. I got that new, that new, I don't know if it's new or not. I got that Frozen Lake Bath and Body Works candle lit tonight, so I'm ready for a good show.

Courtney (04:59)
Okay.

Great.

Good.

I saw your status. I was like,

she lit. I'm like, damn, where's my candle?

Tacarra (05:29)
You gotta, you gotta know yourself. You gotta know yourself. You gotta know, that's all I can tell you. You gotta know yourself. You gotta know what it gets. Cause like, you know, this is a whole, this is a, like you said, it's alter ego. It's alter ego. Like it's like you getting in character. Like I have my routine, like you gotta have your rituals, all that stuff. But let's get into it. So.

Courtney (05:33)
way.

That's That's true.

Tacarra (05:50)
Like I said, first and also too as well, we want to thank you guys for rocking with us still if you still here. Go ahead and continue to share with us, share everybody. Let us know, let us know what you want to hear from us. We appreciate y'all for supporting. We appreciate y'all for every single like, every comment on our Instagram page. Go follow us if you're not already. And we got to help the ODZell too because my cousin, he hit me up and he was like, I keep seeing the clips, but I don't know how to watch the whole video. So I was like, all let me help you out, bro. Let me just send you the whole little link. And he was like,

Courtney (06:19)
right.

Tacarra (06:20)
⁓

I'm gonna watch the whole of videos. I got you bruh. help your people out Help them out if they got to but we appreciate you guys but first and foremost we're gonna go ahead and get to the topics today, but ⁓ Something that I wanted to talk about So in IL is probably a topic that we're gonna always talk about because it's a big thing It's a big situation. But first and foremost, I want to bring up something so Something that you may have not known Courtney, but people didn't

Courtney (06:24)
Please help them out.

Okay.

Tacarra (06:48)
because I educated people on Facebook literally yesterday. So I had saw a post from a kid going to WKU, Western Kentucky University, which is a mid-major program. Shut up WKU because I'm from Kentucky. they had made a post where he had left, he went to a school in Louisville. He had left that school in Louisville for his senior year in high school to go to a school in North Carolina.

Courtney (07:05)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (07:13)
And I had made a post on Facebook and I had reposted it the fact that he was going there and I was like, I haven't did any research yet. And I said, I wonder if he had left the state of Kentucky to go to North Carolina because North Carolina has NIL eligibility in high school.

Courtney (07:36)
That's absolutely true. I knew that. James, James coach, you know, he coaches, he coaches boys basketball or whatever. And there was a kid at the high school that I went to. And I don't know what his rank is, but I don't know. He's a big time player. Big time player. He's only like.

Tacarra (07:38)
I didn't know. I knew. Go ahead.

Right.

Gotcha. Like

big time as far as like SEC, ACC, what?

Courtney (08:02)
I don't know. Don't get me there. I don't know. I have no idea. But he's a big time player. you know, he was supposed to be that guy, you know. He ended up leaving for the money. For the money.

Tacarra (08:03)
Okay, that's okay. That's okay, that's okay.

Got you. Got you. Got you. Got you. So

with that, you may not know this question, you may not. So when it came to him leaving for the money, who did somebody set him up for the money? Or did he know that the money was in a different state as far as NIL?

Courtney (08:31)
I think he knew that the money was in a different state for the NIO. Yeah.

Tacarra (08:34)
Got you. So for me, my point, this kid

who is leaving, this kid who's leaving, he's already committed to a school. and he left.

Courtney (08:43)
Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (08:45)
That he left the state already committed to a college. He know where he's going. Apparently his brother is going to the college already. His brother's already there at the college. So he had left and he's going to North Carolina to a school in North Carolina. So I had posed the question. said, I didn't pose it. I just called it what it was. I said, I guarantee that he had left because that was probably a part of his NIL deal when it came with the university. Could be with the brother, could be with the university.

Courtney (08:52)
Okay.

Okay.

with a brother.

with the universal? Okay,

I see what you're ⁓

Tacarra (09:14)
I said, because

so I had found out from a source that when it comes to these NIL packages, they put together the NIL deals. If it comes to a situation where they can work, they connect or whatever and put you into a school and get you money early and set up deals for you in the high school, they will, which is great. But I mean,

Courtney (09:35)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Tacarra (09:38)
know if people felt a way about it because I made it that post because I made it clear that I don't know this kid into the day and I want people to realize too at this point like podcasting is the new journalism it's the podcast of the new journalist and that just is what it is I mean that's facts that's a new journalist me too when it came to researching yeah yeah it's work it's work so like in podcasting is a new journalism

Courtney (09:52)
That's facts. Cause that's how I felt this past week. Like looking up stuff and all this stuff. I was like, oh my gosh. It is, it is.

Tacarra (10:06)
So, and we, I'm asking that question and some people in the comments was like, yeah.

To answer your question, so and so went to that same school, this person went to that same school, yes, that's probably what happened. Then somebody else said, well, now that you say that, one of this school's other players went to a different state. And I said, okay, so that must be what that school is doing. I wasn't knocking it. I wasn't saying that they get, because somebody in the comments was like, he's not doing it for the money. He's doing it for competition, et cetera. And then the other day, I'm gonna just go ahead put this out there.

Courtney (10:17)
Absolutely.

Yeah. yeah, no.

Tacarra (10:41)
know the kid, I don't care about the kid, I don't care about men's college basketball, I don't don't give

Courtney (10:47)
Bad words.

Tacarra (10:49)
You know what saying? End of the day, like my job at this point where I'm becoming a sports journalist, you know what saying? In this profession that I'm in right now, I'm trying to understand. I'm asking that question because that's what I thought. And that's what I'm best, point that I was getting at that the new system. So at the end of the day, y'all proved my point, whatever. I'm wishing that kid the best. Just want y'all to know that I'm not wishing no ill will, but the point that I was making is, that the, I got the, I got the answer to the question that I was asking. So it seems,

Courtney (10:54)
Yes, right.

Right? Right.

Absolutely.

Tacarra (11:19)
like now with the NIL thing situation, that's what they're doing. They're getting these kids money early in high school. The kids, really want to, you know, this is part of it and let's bring it. You know what saying? But somebody did make a point and they said, well, I mean, he did it for competition, which he should. You know, if you've got an opportunity, but I just don't, people who were saying he didn't do it for the money, he's not struggling. First of all, I want to say this. You ain't got to be struggling to take no money.

Courtney (11:27)
Yeah.

Tacarra (11:45)
I just, I just, I just won't. I just want to, you, I want to put that out there. And I'm, when I think about like LeBron James, they struggling to take that 50 million a year. You know what I'm saying? Like you ain't got to struggle to take. I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm not struggling today and y'all can offer me $500 and I'm gonna find a way to take it. Just so y'all know I'm paid just so, just so you know, don't get it twisted. But if you're offering it, I'm going to take it. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, ain't nobody saying that like y'all can cause people

Courtney (11:48)
At all. At all.

Mm.

Ugh.

Pabu. Pabu.

Tacarra (12:15)
try to tell me how good the kid is. Is he? I said great. I don't care. But ⁓ he's in high school.

Courtney (12:20)
He's at high school though, right?

Tacarra (12:23)
You know what I'm saying? But the point that I was making is that's what they do. So like, shout out to that. Like, get it how you live. Whatever, especially with mid-major programs, whatever you gotta do to get these players and whatever you gotta put into works. And the thing about it is though, that kid could go to that college and to that other high school, prep school, whatever it is, have a good season and then go somewhere else. There's nothing y'all gonna be able to get that money back. Unless they're making them sign contracts now, which I don't think that they are.

Courtney (12:24)
Mm-hmm. Right. You're right.

Right.

I think that's where they're headed though. That's what I heard. That like, if you don't fulfill like basically what you signed on this contract, then basically you will have to pay it back.

Tacarra (12:52)
You know what I'm They should be. They should be.

They probably should. They probably should. I'm not knocking at. Yeah. But the end of the day, the setup for that talk is for the question is the question of the night is going to be, so what is the goal now when it comes to NIL, when it comes to people going to college, what is the goal? Is the goal a college degree or is the goal

Courtney (13:06)
That's what I've heard.

Tacarra (13:28)
I'ma make as much money as I can from NIL. There was a coach, a football coach who actually made some comments that we're gonna go ahead and show real quick and we will talk about it. cause I mean,

Yeah, so we're gonna show this clip.

and let's see what we think about it.

Hmm.

Wish you good one.

Courtney (16:02)
Okay, I feel like Okay, my my first thought is like You can get your degree and you're in the NIO They can get both You know what I'm saying? I was doing some research too and it says like division one athletes are graduating at a 91 % rate Which is an all-time high You know what mean? So NIO didn't necessarily derail that

Tacarra (16:09)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

say this though, 91%, yeah, that's a big percentage, but what are their degrees in? I wanna see the statistic of what their degrees in, cause I guarantee you, it doesn't, it doesn't, but I'ma get to my point in a second, I'ma let you finish, I guarantee you the degrees is bullshit. I guarantee you the degrees is P, but go ahead, I'ma let you finish, cause I got my own point on that.

Courtney (16:36)
Doesn't matter though in this day and age.

⁓ I mean, no.

No, and

I absolutely agree with what you said. Definitely their degree is probably in something that's simple. But graduating, nonetheless. And I feel like in the time that we're in right now, that degree doesn't really mean as much now. I think they lean more into experience and what you can provide right away. ⁓

Tacarra (17:09)
Yeah.

Courtney (17:11)
I also feel like the coach was saying like, is the grass greener on the other side? Right? Like, because that is still at the end of the day, you can go in the transfer portal and don't get picked up. You can go in the transfer portal and not really like the coach or not play. So I mean, like I get that part.

Tacarra (17:16)
Gotcha.

That's true.

Cause it be

about 200 kids in the portal. It be about, I'm being light cause I'm saying 200 cause I don't know the accurate number. Football?

Courtney (17:31)
Yeah, more than that.

It's about, I think it's about over, what did I do? It's like over,

this was about in 2023, was about over 31,000 athletes in the portal.

Tacarra (17:45)
Okay.

31,000 and what? that NCAA? ⁓ I was trying to be nice.

Courtney (17:49)
And that's just for, I think that's just for football.

I think that's just for football.

You know what I'm saying? Maybe, let's see. Football's for, I'm just kidding. Okay. But then also I feel like, I get what he's saying, but I feel like this generation is so, it's different. I feel like the way he's talking is like from the generation in which we grew up where it's like, you you go to college, you get your degree and then you go get a job and.

Tacarra (18:16)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Courtney (18:19)
X,

and Z, like, and I'm with that. And I do believe that, like, in college, you do learn valuable lessons. I feel like not running from situations, whether it's playing time, whether it's not like to coach, or you just want to get more money, whatever it is, I don't think life operates that way. And there is going to be a time in their life, it may not be like when they graduate, it may not be.

Tacarra (18:36)
Got you.

Courtney (18:42)
you know, right in their face right now, but there is gonna be a time in their life where they're gonna have to like face some things. And I think sometimes going through those things in college, it kind of prepares you. Just a little bit. I'm not saying it prepare you a lot, cause it still was a lot of stuff that I still struggled with, Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (18:48)
Slash you.

Gotcha.

Got you. Got you. So let me ask you a question because

I can't relate to the point where he talked about, and we still might not be able to relate, but in the day, our focus is women's sports. Is there anything that you learned in college basketball that taught you how to be a mother?

Courtney (19:09)
Right.

that taught me how to be a mom.

Tacarra (19:20)
Yeah, because he said at the of the day, because he made a point of saying like, we're trying to teach you how to be fathers. He said something along those lines. Am I correct? I heard the term as far as being a father.

Courtney (19:31)
He did, but I feel like maybe he's referring to that in like just showing up. Showing up. Yeah, no, I think he means that in just showing up because parenthood is hard. I'm talking about, it's probably a bunch of moms and a bunch of dads that can relate. Just be like, I'm fed up with it. I'm about to pack my car and I'm about to drive. I'm leaving. I'm leaving the family. I'm leaving these kids and I'm done. I can't do it no more. It's a lot of people that's probably felt like that and did it.

Tacarra (19:36)
Okay, I'm at, can't relate to that, so I'm asking.

Good. Got you.

I'm showing up. Got you.

Got you.

Courtney (20:00)
You know what I'm saying?

But in a situation like that where you are a husband, you are a father, just because things ain't all peachy-gory and you going through some hard times, maybe financially, maybe like in your relationship, whatever the case may be, you can't just put up the deuces and say bounce. You know what I'm saying?

Tacarra (20:12)
Got you. Got you.

Got you. Got you.

Got you.

To me, there was a lot with it, but I'm coming from a perspective of, I'm coming from a business mindset. I'm coming from a perspective of when it comes to NIL, I'm 100 % behind the athletes at all costs. I feel like...

But for me, it's not me as far as going against the coaches situation. It's about me going against the NCAA. Because the end of the day, the NCAA is a nonprofit organization that's profited. So it's a nonprofit organization who's made a whole lot of money off the names of athletes. So I'm not team NCAA at all when it comes to that.

Courtney (21:00)
at all.

Tacarra (21:03)
But I just want to say before I get to the point, something that I looked at when it came to that, I feel where the coach is coming from. I'm going to say that I feel where he's coming from. I get it in like, I might get a little long winter on this topic, but end of the day, I looked up the dude's salary. That dude's salary was $708,000. So I'm to start there. The coach, the coach who's talking, his salary is $708,000, which not a lot of people give that opportunity to be a head coach when it comes to the NCAA football. And you know I'm saying? That usually if you at that point, he can go to the next point, his salary.

only gonna grow from here, whatever. I ain't with the team's record, I don't know. But I feel where he's coming from, but I feel like a lot of these people are upset. I feel like the coaches are upset because they've had their way for so long. The only thing they've had to do was sell their program and that's it. And I feel like when it comes to a lot of these people or a lot of these players and a lot of these kids is coming to the table of what can you offer me? And a lot of them are, they,

Courtney (21:35)
Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (22:03)
I don't even know the words that I'm looking for. A lot of them is like, what the fuck? What do you mean? You know, cause it is all about the money now. know, even that's the reason why they ran Nick Saban's ass off. You know what I'm saying? As far as he was able to get the best players the whole time. um, end of the day, just how I feel about it. I get where he's coming from as far as the standpoint of like, what are you going to learn? But for him to say like, I would have did it for free. Me, look at me knowing what I know now, coming from somebody who did do it for free. I can tell you, man, I had a great time.

Courtney (22:08)
You're right.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (22:33)
I enjoyed my four years. I enjoyed it. But for me to come out today, I do not make a hunt, a $708,000 a year. I can tell you that, um, me looking today, knowing what I know now, I would have not done it for free. You, you know what I'm saying? Like, and the thing about it though, he's talking about the transfer portal.

Courtney (22:50)
Absolutely. Yeah.

Tacarra (22:56)
My daddy asked me this question literally yesterday. He said for the as good as you was where you was it and I'm not I'm never gonna come over here and say that I was the best if I think about where I was and the stitch I was in a good situation. I was a great I was a great score from where I was at. I averaged 17 points a game and then the question that he asked of are you gonna play I'm gonna be honest with you and I'm just gonna say this point and we can move on after this.

Me, a person who was in a mid-major program like he's coaching, I'm averaging 17 points a game. For me, I'm thinking, the person that I am in 2011, 2010, my legacy is what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about the Hall of Fame. I'm thinking about if I want to get my jersey retired. I'm thinking about, you know, I want my kids to be able to say my mom was this and my mom was that. That's what my, that's what I played for at that age, at that time, because that's all we had. So,

Courtney (23:37)
Hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (23:52)
If I think about, like I said, would I do it for free today? No. I'ma be honest with you too. If it came down to me...

If I could go to the University of, and I'm gonna say Texas because a certain situation with Texas stands out to me. When I think about Madison Booker, when Madison Booker got three fouls in the first quarter, when it came to the Final Four against South Carolina last year in the March Madison NCAA Tournament, as soon as Madison Booker got that foul and they looked at they bench and they was, what we got? I told myself,

Courtney (24:24)
Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (24:27)
I as in Takara Hayes in 2010, 2011, would have been a hell of a backup for Madison Booker for $250,000. You know what I'm saying? So at that point, if I can think about a situation, if I can think about that mindset as far as $250,000 is a generational, that's some life changing money. I don't care what anybody says, that's life, especially if you don't come from shit, that's some life changing money.

Courtney (24:35)
Hell yeah. Yeah.

It is.

Exactly. And that's a lot

of it. Yeah.

Tacarra (24:55)
That's a lot of money. These

kids, especially these full-on players, they don't come from shit. They don't come from nothing. That's for they, they don't come from nothing. That's life-changing money. If it comes to a point where I can go to a program, a higher program, and you tell me straight up, I'm going, you're going to be a backup, but I can give you $200,000.

Courtney (25:00)
Yeah, that's for they family for sure.

Tacarra (25:18)
I'm sorry, fuck that Hall of Fame, bump that legacy, fuck that Jersey at that mid-major program I'm going, I'm gonna get that money and I'm gonna make that life-changing financial situation for my family. And that just is what it is.

Courtney (25:22)
you

I agree.

I mean, and you got to think about it. Like they're like 20.

Like you're talking about marriage and kids and a wife.

Tacarra (25:46)
And the thing about it, let's keep it a

buck. Let's keep it a buck. them, them football, they be having kids, bruh. Trent Richardson came to Alabama with two kids. Was a 15 year old father. You know what I'm saying? Like, what do you, what do you mean? Like, fuck that legacy. I'm going over here to get this $200,000. What you mean play? I don't, I don't care about playing. Cause end of the day, yes, I'm not, I'm, I, I, I take pride in my Hall of Fame accolade.

Courtney (25:52)
Right.

That's, that's true.

That's true. Yeah. Right.

Tacarra (26:16)
I take pride in it, but if you asked me today at 35 if somebody would have told me I'd give you $250,000, you're not gonna be in the Hall of Fame. You're gonna come off the bench, still be in the tournament, still be in whatever, you're not gonna play. I'm gonna take the money.

Courtney (26:34)
I mean, yeah, a hundred percent. Cause then you can get in, you could probably get sponsorships and the Instagram whole Instagram stuff and Tik Tok. It's just different. And that's, that's, was my point earlier where it's like just the generations are different. You know I'm saying? Like the mindset is different. And I feel like that's why a lot of, sometimes a lot of these players now, they, kind of like those younger coaches just because their mindset is a little bit different than that, like old school like approach.

Tacarra (26:36)
You

I'm taking the I'm taking the two 50 upfront. I don't

Yeah? Yeah. Yeah?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Courtney (27:04)
which I'm not knocking the old school approach, but it's just, know, like times are different. And I feel like as a coach, I understand that sometimes it can be frustrating as a coach. I can understand that point of view, but at the same time, you have to be able to pivot and grow and grow with the times or you won't be there long.

Tacarra (27:12)
Yeah.

Yeah.

I agree. And the thing about him to talk about,

I do it again for free. You did it for free. Would you coast for free? Cause end of the day, you're making, end of the day, bruh, like you got your money. You know what I'm saying? Like you got, you make $708,000 a year. That's a lot. Yo, yo family gonna eat.

Courtney (27:27)
Hahaha.

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (27:41)
You don't have to, you went to college for free. Yo, debt ain't there. So it's like when they get into them conversations, when other people get to them conversations, it's like, I feel you. I feel him on it. Everything that he's saying is a very valid point. It's accurate, but it's life changing money that we talking about if you can help your family, especially you talking about what, with black kids right now.

Courtney (27:55)
Mm-hmm.

right now.

Right now. Right now.

Tacarra (28:05)
So that's my question when it comes to that. It's like, what is the goal? Is it degree or an IL? And we'll get into that too, but you had a point that you wanted to bring up.

Courtney (28:15)
Oh,

yes, definitely. I wanted to clear it up. So basically in 2023, there were more than 31,000 student athletes that had entered the transfer portal altogether. It just wasn't football, but that was all together. That's still a lot. Yeah, so like from what I'm looking at now is saying that about 2,083 athletes entered in 2024 for men's basketball. Women's.

Tacarra (28:27)
That's still a lot. And that's Division I athletes. That's a lot.

How many?

Courtney (28:45)
2083. Women's basketball was roughly, I'm just going to estimate, 1,400 athletes entered the transfer portal in 2025. Football, all divisions, over 11,000 players. Right.

Tacarra (28:45)
That's not enough scholarships, but go off.

hahahaha ⁓

Courtney (29:04)
And then like I guess what is is F what is FBS football? Is that like the big ones? Okay over 3400 scholarship players entered the transfer report

Tacarra (29:05)
⁓

Yeah, that's the top. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, but also too though with that with them stats and with that number people gotta be realistic if let me tell you if you want to pay some whoever's hearing this if you want to pay somebody to watch your kids film and let them know if your kids good enough to go to the next call me because I'm gonna let you know if that's another thing too people's not these parents ain't realistic with their kids that's another problem people's not real we know who's good enough you you know your kid but you may not you know what I'm saying like you know if me I feel like that's one

Courtney (29:32)
Yeah. ⁓

Tacarra (29:46)
think

about me like and that's one thing I want to clear up to when it comes to me when I talk about me going to WNBA etc like I wasn't good enough I know that about myself I didn't have the work ethic my my I wasn't good enough I didn't have the size I didn't have this I didn't have that I wasn't good enough some people don't know that about their kids you know I'm saying they sell these kids dreams you know I'm saying so it's like when it comes to that too that's another thing like let don't let your keep don't go in the portal you know you might not gland nowhere

Courtney (29:52)
Mm.

But that's the thing too, like it's like really not about the school. It's just about the money. You get what I'm saying? Like if I had to, like they're not transferring because of the degree. You know what I'm saying? Like.

Tacarra (30:19)
It's about the money. It's about the money.

Yeah, not at all. Back in the day,

it used to be about, this was a good school, it's academics. So, so if we're being straight up, let's answer the question. What's more important right now? Is it the degree or is it the money? Is it the NIO?

Courtney (30:33)
If you like the coach, something like that, the playing system.

If it ain't about the money.

Tacarra (30:49)
Hahaha

Courtney (30:53)
Cue the song, okay?

Tacarra (30:54)
Let me ask you

another question Courtney, you graduated college right? Are you using your degree that you graduated college in? Okay.

Courtney (30:57)
Bye guys.

No.

Tacarra (31:03)
I'm one of them people, you know how I talked about earlier, the people who had a, they had to get through to get a bullshit degree and didn't, and graduated, but still got, I was one of them kids. But also too, I made it clear in the first episode that school wasn't for me. College wasn't for me. And I guarantee you, it's a lot of these kids who's in football, who's playing football, who's in the NCAA where, NCAA, sorry, where college isn't for them either. School isn't for them either.

Courtney (31:13)
Ha!

Right.

Yeah.

Tacarra (31:32)
And they're going because it's free and because they have an opportunity. I was one of those people so I can speak to that.

Courtney (31:37)
But also just

have it. Like I feel like just like, it's just different now. I think it's just the fact that you have it. It don't even matter really what it's in. As long as you finish it. mean, hey, like what, tell me about your other experience. Cause I could see real potential in that.

Tacarra (31:43)
I I agree. I agree. Yeah.

That's true because...

It's that's true because I was trying to fill somebody out I was trying to help somebody out with a job with my company like two days ago and I was trying to send her referral and she was like they want you to have the whole degree. She's I ain't graduated yet. And I said I get it I said but if you was already in the company and you didn't have the degree and you had the experience he was in the company you wouldn't have needed it so I get that because I have a degree it has got my foot in the door, which is I'm not I'm not saying that but also to this generation of kids have more resources

that we had. can't like my little brother for example, shout out to my little brother. My little brother asked him like, what you want to do for, what you want to do? What's your career? What you want to go to school for? He's telling me I want to go to school for game design. If we would have told our parents in 2008 that we wanted to go to school for game design, they would have been like game design. What is that? You know what I'm saying? But I told him, was like, oh game design, you can do that. Do you want to be a streamer? And I told my parents, I was like, why don't y'all buy him the equipment?

Courtney (32:49)
Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (32:52)
For him to build his own computer for him to be a streamer if he wants to do that He wants to do gaming professionally because that's the thing now You don't say if people make millions if that's what he's striving for past his goal But it regards to what you choose you got to work hard So for me, it's like these kids now have more access to other things They have access to be youtubers not saying that it ain't We can say that's in a once in a million chance. I don't think that it is I think that if you put the work in and you're consistent you're

Courtney (32:59)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I

Yeah.

Tacarra (33:21)
to be there's somebody people stay on social media all day long people stay on tik tok people still on instagram people stay on youtube there's an opportunity for that for those people there so if you want to get a career for that you can do that we can't say that we have the same things so for me i mean when it comes to college like

Courtney (33:30)
For sure.

Tacarra (33:39)
I'm one of them people where I'm not pro college. I'm one of them. If my kids, I don't have kids yet. If my kids are, I don't want to go to college and they tell me they have something that they enjoy, they have something that they're like, something they're passionate about, I'm going to say, okay, great. Let's pursue that. What can I do to help you in that? Because end of the day, we're in a generation or in a time where you only have to be good at one thing and pursue that one thing. And it could be at the ordinary, but you can do it through that outlet. So,

Courtney (33:56)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Tacarra (34:09)
Which is whatever. But like I said, I feel where the coach is coming from. I get it. But people do need to be real with their kids, be real with their situations because not everybody's good enough. You're going in the portal. Some of them's going in the portal with ain't scored a touchdown. Some's going in portal with five points.

Courtney (34:17)
Yeah, obviously. Right.

And they, but see that's

a crazy part too is that like they be going in the portal and then they average like, you know, two points, three rebounds and they asking for a hundred thousand dollars off, off-riff. Off-riff, like, yeah, like I need, like I'm coming from X, Y, and Z. Yeah, I didn't play.

Tacarra (34:38)
Off-Rip. Off-Rip.

Courtney (34:48)
but I averaged two points, two rebounds, and I averaged about three minutes a game. And I need $100,000. That's the part I feel like coaches are probably like, bro, have you lost your mind? Have you lost your mind?

Tacarra (34:52)
Yeah, but I'm going in the portal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So and Courtney do have a list that we go off of, but I am going to switch it up on Courtney really quick. So we're gonna, because we're on this

we're gonna get into, I have a question. Well, I'm gonna talk about something really quick, because it's gonna be quick. Because NCAA football is coming up. Because of this reason, we're going to talk about, let's talk about sports betting in NCAA sports really quick. Michael Porter Jr.

Courtney (35:18)
Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (35:28)
Which, shout out to Michael Porter Jr. He played for the Denver Nuggets. He's an NBA champion. He actually just recently got traded to the Brooklyn Nets. He played for Missouri, played for his father. Shout out to him. He had went through a scenario and he had talked about how sports bet him because his brother recently just got banned from the NBA because he was betting on himself.

Courtney (35:36)
Mm-hmm.

Right?

Tacarra (35:52)
to go less, which is crazy to me. He's betting on himself and he obviously had a problem. And Michael Porter Jr. came up with a scenario. He was like, if you can like get your homeboys connected.

and that your homeboys can make, you tell your homeboys bet so much amount of money and you can get $10,000 and you can, I'm gonna say that I'm hurt within three minutes of the game and come out of the game and you take me for less and you have a little come up, I'm gonna look out for my homeboys. He said that on a podcast in front of everyone and I'm just like, take the mic from him. Why would he get her, even if you not doing that.

Why you giving the game up, bruh? You know what saying? Like, I would have been like calling him like, what did say about Candace Parker? Whose side are you on? Who says that? Like, I look like...

Courtney (36:34)
You are lying. What?

That's a problem

because like, know, sometimes they be doing a little much on these podcasts, okay? They already be really under the influence before they start talking, you know? Crazy craziness. But it's the fact that the people posted it anyway. Like y'all didn't even cut it out.

Tacarra (36:45)
That's what I'm saying. In fact, cause I would never get on there and say some shit like that. I would never say that.

Yeah. ⁓ well, that's tea. We talking,

I'm talking about it. That's some tea. I'm supposed to, he said it. I ain't, I'm, you know what saying? Like that's some tea, but ⁓

Courtney (37:03)
I

Tacarra (37:07)
So I wanna talk about just, the question was, and like Courtney's not a sports better, I am, so the question was, is sports betting a problem in college basketball, college sports period? And I'm gonna say, so I thought about from the situation, I put myself in Michael Porter Jr. shoes, and I asked myself, would that have been a problem for me? I am a sports better, like I said on episode one, I am a hustler.

I personally can't see myself telling somebody to take me for less and me not being a competitor and faking like an injury. I can't see that for myself. But I'ma be honest, I made a lot of money the last two years. I've made a lot of money off.

Courtney (37:44)
Hmm.

Tacarra (37:55)
Honey, let me tell you something. I was sad when Angel Reese and Anise Amaro and Caitlin Clark get out the NCAA, honey. I was crying tears. I made a lot of money off them. And when I say a lot of money, a lot of money to me, I'm talking about $2,000, $3,000 off them being. Haley Benliff, Haley Benliff was a less. I hate to say it, but boy, she was a less. I made a lot of money off them when they were, but I thought about myself and I'm talking about, is it really a problem? Cause you know in football, it really is.

Courtney (38:05)
Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (38:23)
If it came to me and I'm thinking about Takara Hayes who I was in 2010-2011 I'm gonna keep it a buck. I'm the person who would have told my homegirl hey Take me over on this and I'm gonna make sure I get that and bet this on that and we split the money I would have did that. So what's the problem?

Courtney (38:45)
It's a problem like what

Tacarra (38:48)
It's a problem. I would have did it. I would have did it. Yeah. I mean, I mean, knowing myself and then the end of the day, like I get it. I get it on us because my daddy's a professional gambler. My father's a professional gambler. So that's a point that I had to make. Like, and I'm thinking about even when college football coming up, they doing it. You know what saying? Everything's about the money at the end of the day.

Courtney (38:49)
That is crazy.

Mm-hmm.

I

mean, yeah. That's where we are. Yeah.

Tacarra (39:11)
It's about the money in the day. I can tell

you, hey, take me over for two touchdowns and you can win this and you give me that, or I can take my stuff, I can create a fake name. Because it's a lot of NBA players who's in trouble for that right now. Like who's getting banned and who's getting, they're sitting on the bench because they're being questioned like in its audits. But it's a problem. I would have been caught up in that because you can, man, I'm gonna put you on because NCAA tournament for the women, hey, quick little come up. Quick little come up.

Courtney (39:21)
Yeah.

Ooh, okay. Well, like, don't

post this as an Instagram. If you watch it, then you got some of the tea. Okay. Okay.

Tacarra (39:40)
We're betting on you. We're betting on, hey,

I was betting on my teammates sister. I'm telling, hey.

Courtney (39:48)
I don't

need everybody coming to the pool of the dub, you know, the NCAA.

Tacarra (39:51)
Hey, I'm in groups. I'm in

groups, bruh. And dude posted, I'm in a group on Facebook and a dude posted his sister and said, Hey, take my sister for 10 and a half. Like we already talked about it type stuff. Like, and, you know what? One of my teammates, her home, her brother's in the league. I'm not going to say their names. One of my teammates. And I asked her about sports business. She said, no, like his agent talked to the whole family about it and said that none of us should be involved. She wouldn't even do it. It's a problem.

But I just want to make that point really quick about the NCAA because for me, I'm gonna be let you know if Takara, hey, let's talk if we could have had a group chat. What I gotta do shot attempts? Yeah, I would.

Courtney (40:22)
I

But is that

the problem or is it more so like fans, you know, reacting to the sports bets? What I'm talking about, but it's different. So if we're talking about the NCAA, we're talking about like 18 year old, 19 year old kids, 20 year old kids. You know what I mean? Like, so it's like, are they talking about in that aspect? Like.

Tacarra (40:38)
Fan's been reacting for free.

Yeah. Okay.

What you mean? Like

as far as the fans reacting, like you didn't cover that line?

Courtney (40:58)
Yeah, like, you know, yeah, like, you know how they be like, hey, how come you ain't get that other rebound? You suck. How come you, you made me lose, you know, you know, $5,000 cause you couldn't get one more point.

Tacarra (41:08)
the day, I hate it because I am a sports better. I hate when the NBA players be trolling like if your parlays, you know what saying? But end of the day, like the people already got their money. Y'all trying to come up. I'm not already. Y'all need this. Y'all trying to get rich. I don't need it. You know what I'm saying? So I like when they troll a little bit, but end of the day and I feel like if you on a stage, you on the stage.

Courtney (41:15)
yeah.

They do.

Yeah. Right.

Okay.

Tacarra (41:35)
You know what

I'm saying? Like, and I just think whatever comes with that stage that you own, it comes with the stage that you own. Yeah.

Courtney (41:42)
I mean, I totally agree with that. I mean, if you're getting

paid NIO, I mean, they're basically treating the NCAA like professional sports now. That's basically what it is. So I feel like absolutely that comes with the territory.

Tacarra (41:49)
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Hey, it was the

mid-majors girls in the NCAA tournament on the board. Like the girls from, man, there was a girl, there was a girl, then Caitlin Young from from freaking Murray State. God, she was a monster. I was putting her, I got a group on Facebook. I'm hey, take her, take her, trust me. Put her on the two man. So I mean, it's a problem.

Courtney (42:05)
Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (42:14)
sports is gonna continue to be a problem it's only getting worse because everybody got access like all I think you need is to log in and a birthday my little cousin he 15 and he be betting on prospects you know what I'm saying so I mean it's a problem but ⁓ yeah we're gonna go ahead and switch gears we're gonna go ahead and get to the WNBA but let's first let's have a little fun so we wanted to get into and Courtney like I said I'm going all over the place it's my fault we're gonna have a little fun right now because I need to take a little

Courtney (42:18)
Mm-hmm.

It's different.

Nah, I'm good.

Tacarra (42:44)
light. So we wanted to get into the signature shoe drops. Let's get into it. So first and foremost,

There's been a lot of signature shoe drops. got Sabrina got her shoes. We got Caitlin Clark who's had her her P her player additions. We got any we got Asia we got Angel Reese, but you know what really shined a lot on this for me. I went into Foot Locker Thursday Wednesday because I was looking for my husband a birthday gift because I was last minute and like it was beautiful to see the fact that like seeing the women's shoes on display and I was just like man, like we made it like they might not feel that way, but it was

Courtney (43:16)
Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

Tacarra (43:23)
Sabrina's everywhere. Like it was like seven pairs of Sabrina's every single pair of Asia Willisons and I was just like, man, this is dope. Like we're on the display. ⁓ nice shoes. Nice shoes. Nine of BS.

Courtney (43:24)
Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And nice shoes though. Nice shoes, not no BS, but nice shoes.

You know, like I gave my son, I'm like, okay, just go on Nike and like, look, you know, what shoes you like? And literally he picked some Asians and he picked Sabrina's. Like, you know what I mean? Just, and not, not knowing who they were, like just off of like how they looked, he liked them, you know? So.

Tacarra (43:46)
That's dope. Like, no influence! That's dope.

That's

dope. That's dope. So one thing that I want to pull up really quick. So first, before we get into this, I felt like I had to pay homage.

to the older players and the first thing she shoes. So how I wanted to do this Courtney, I kind of wanted to do it like I pulled the shoe up and we say what we like if we'd hoop in them, what you think, whatever. That's kind of, I wanted to do it. But first, like I said, we had to pay homage a little bit. So shout out to Winsider. And I was telling Courtney is dope because the simple fact that Winsider, we actually played against the girl who's a part of this.

Courtney (44:16)
Okay.

Tacarra (44:33)
Hell, can't think of her name right now. Rachel, what's her name? Rachel Gilligan, I think was her name. She went to Eastern Illinois. She was actually straight as a post player. She's a part of this, actually this organization. first, before we get into shoes, I feel like we had to show the Air Swoops, the first signature shoe.

Courtney (44:53)
I like it. I like it. Yeah. I like it.

Tacarra (44:54)
Cheryl swoops. These, I would have rocked these in 95. I would have rocked these in 95.

So I like the fact that like these was these was actually straight in the 90s. I like how they have like a whole little timeline as far as women's shoes. They show their air swoops twos. They showed Rebecca Lobos when she had a little re-buck situation there. Man, Cheryl swoops had it going. She had a threes. You know, man, you know, I like how they she had a fours. I like how they went through that. Cynthia Cooper had her own shoes. I remember these. I remember these. So I just wanted to show that available that is actually going to

Courtney (45:09)
yeah, I like those too.

She did.

Yeah.

Tacarra (45:31)
be in the this is Nikki McCray rest in peace

Courtney (45:32)
Okay.

Tacarra (45:33)
Nikki McCray she has some some fetal eyes so I'm actually going to put this link in the in the comment like in the bio for this video if our I definitely remember these specifically I remember these for sure if y'all want to check this out so I thought that was kind of pretty cool to show

Courtney (45:46)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Yeah, I know that it is cool.

Tacarra (45:53)
Yeah,

so I really enjoyed looking that up. But I am gonna show, the first thing for me, let's get to the first shoes. So the first shoes we're gonna get into, let's get to the shits. So we gotta go with first, let's go with these. What we gonna do first? Let's get into these. We gotta go with the Sabrina's.

Gotta go with the Sabrina's first. What do we think about the Sabrina's? These are the what the Sabrina's. So if you're not familiar with the what the's with Nike, what the's means all the shoes combined, they came out within one. So they've done the what the Kobe's, they've done the what the LeBron's, they've done the what the KD's. I think that's a very special shoe that they do. So what you think about these?

Courtney (46:36)
Okay, I

need to I need to preference that I am not like a Know-it-all when it comes to shoes. I have no idea So yeah, like do they like listen listen to me like do they come mismatch like that they do

Tacarra (46:42)
That's my lane, don't even worry about I got you, I got you co-host. I got you.

Yes. So

that's the thing about him. if it's when it comes to Nike, when it comes to like a what the whatever. So it's like what the fuck but it's like what the Kobe's which means it's every single shoe that he came out with in one shoe.

Courtney (46:59)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Okay.

Tacarra (47:06)
one sneaker.

So they put them all together. So it'd be like a little piece of each sneaker into one shoe. So a lot of times they're mismatched or whatever, they look a little crazy like the What the Kobe's are significant etc. But that's what these are supposed to be. which I think they're pretty dope. Honestly would you hoop in these?

Courtney (47:11)
Okay.

I like the design

them. don't like, don't, ⁓ I like the design of them. I'm not into the mismatch. I don't think I would, cause I was just looking at some shoes for Christian, some Jomarantz. He has like some mismatch. I know girl. Every time I get on Nike, they don't have them in Christian size. And I'll just be like,

Tacarra (47:30)
there's a bunch different ones.

gotcha. okay.

Got you. Them new jaws is fly. I them the other day. Them new jaws is fly.

Courtney (47:52)
The only ones they had at the time were those mismatched ones. And I was like, I just, I don't know. I can't. But yeah, I like those. But I like the design of them.

Tacarra (47:56)
Them jaws just fly.

So are you more of just like a plain girl when it comes to sneakers? Okay, so let's try this then when it comes to Sabrina's. Let's try this. What'd you wear these? Okay, so this more your speed. Plain, got you. I like the Sabrina's.

Courtney (48:07)
Yeah, yeah.

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. ⁓

And I like color. I

like color. I mean, I like her design of her shoe, period. I've seen different color ways of her shoes and I like them. It don't necessarily have to be white. just, I'm not, I don't want to have mismatched shoes.

Tacarra (48:26)
Her shoes is nice.

And

these are the Sabrina ones, but you know what though? Like a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people hate on Sabrina period. They hate on Sabrina. They hate on her shoes just because you know, I ain't going to get into that. You know how that go, but I like the Sabrina's. I would hoop in her shoes. I think that people fail to realize that Sabrina went to Oregon. We talking about Phil Knight is next door. You know what I'm saying?

Courtney (48:48)
Exactly.

I totally forgot

about that, yeah.

Tacarra (49:04)
That's a

big thing. If anybody gonna have a signature, cause people say, why Sabrina get a signature? She went to Oregon. Phil Knight is, don't, they said he done it with what, $2 billion to the university last week? Come on. If anybody's gonna have it, she is. Last week. Two billion. Because somebody donated 30 million to Kansas and then Phil Knight come through with the, you know, I'm a do-

Courtney (49:16)
Yeah.

Last week, last week.

He

said, he said, checkmate. Yes, that's pocket change for me.

Tacarra (49:33)
That's cute.

So you know what saying? So I mean, when it comes to that, I mean, you know, he did his thing on it. So I mean, I think people fail to realize when it comes to that, it, you know I'm saying? Like it's, she's in Oregon, so she's gonna get her stuff first. She's in his hip pocket. He supports the university, et cetera. I like the Sabrina's, I would hoop in them. Let's get into these. So let's get into the, and I pulled up the whole Nike website when it came to these because,

Courtney (49:46)
Mm-hmm. ⁓

Obviously, yeah.

Tacarra (50:06)
The Asia Willisons. So I like them too. I like the Asia's, I like the fact that they gave, they did it right because I feel like a whole lot of people, a lot of people was like on they ass, like Asia don't get no shoe, Asia don't get this. I feel like they set Asia up nice. They gave Asia like the little team, the little team color ways. You know what saying? You got the black, if your high school team want to do the all black, we got the whites. If y'all want to do that, we got the red because whatever. We got the

Courtney (50:07)
I love them. I love them.

They did.

I love them.

Yep.

Tacarra (50:36)
blue. She got the main colors. I like these kind of birthday cakes. Would you hoopenese?

Courtney (50:41)
I'm not

in the pink for real, but I like those blue ones. I like the blue ones.

Tacarra (50:46)
These,

⁓ would you hoop in them? I like the Asias, I would not hoop in them. They not my swag. I like the shoe.

Courtney (50:49)
Yeah, I like the blue ones for sure. Yeah.

Why?

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (51:00)
I like, I love this too. If y'all seeing this, I love how the sizes is sold out, honey. I'm loving to see it. I'm loving to see it cause they getting sold. Man, I love the gray. You gotta go with the neutral. These are the all-stars. I love to see it. It's a great shoe. It's a, did he? Got you.

Courtney (51:06)
⁓ exactly. Yes.

I like that too. They all good though, for real. really, all the colors I love. Like Christian wanted, Christian wanted the blue ones. He wanted the blue ones. He liked bright,

he liked bright shoes like that.

Tacarra (51:24)
I'm loving to see it. I'm loving to see it. Me personally, it's not my swag. I don't know. can't, I'm be honest with you too. Like I want to give y'all like an in depth of why it's not, it may be too bulky, maybe not stylish enough for me. I don't know. It's just not my style. I'm not, I like the Asia on the back, but you know what? You know, people was coming over here with her logo because they was like her logo. What's the logo? I like the logo.

Courtney (51:39)
Okay.

Tacarra (51:49)
Remember when she came with her first? I liked it too. I had to understand it. Like at first I had to like, you know, get the Maynard's 90s vibes, et cetera, because she was like, you know, kind of like going off Air Max with these. I get it. Not my, I like it. I like it.

Courtney (51:50)
too.

I think our logo is very brandable though. It has a unique look to where you're gonna remember it,

so.

Tacarra (52:09)
I agree. like it. Not my cup of tea. I wouldn't wear those. I do like the shoe though. Would I buy them to support? Yes. Would you catch me on the court with them in my swag? Just not my swag. Not knocking it.

Courtney (52:23)
That's crazy. See, this is why

like I couldn't know. I didn't really have like a swag. I just, with Ying and Yang, like that type of stuff just didn't really like appeal to me. I'm just like, okay, I just need some shoes that don't fricking slip on the floor. Okay, like that's what I need.

Tacarra (52:28)
Not everybody do. That's why I say we good yin and yang, you know.

Interesting.

Good friend. So you was the one.

So you was the one as I got to break my shoes in first. Oh no, honey. Them shoes could be just bald. I'm gonna put them things on. But for me, it's crazy because that was something I was known for, especially high school. So like it's crazy. So that I was, I was the, I was that girl in high school when it came to the sneakers. But so like in high school,

Courtney (52:49)
Yes. ⁓

You know.

What's your like new shoes and drop a new shoes? Okay.

⁓

Tacarra (53:09)
My color, shout out to Marion County High School because this is I went, Lebanon, Kentucky. I wore...

So our colors was maroon, silver, with like a little navy. So I had to wore some Jordan 5, some burgundy, Jordan 5s, that my, it was like a community shoe. So like I knew they was coming out. They was like an exclusive. We had to put hands on deck with these shoes. So like my mama's friend had to go all the way to Nashville, mind you, probably four hours away to find these shoes that I was looking for. They was $200. They was maroon.

Courtney (53:18)
Uh-huh.

Girl.

Tacarra (53:44)
room. They was the retro fives. I might pull them up actually for y'all. But that was like a thing. They wrote about them things in a paper when I wore them because they were everybody was like, Oh, Tacarra a car got the Jordan fives.

Courtney (53:54)
So like,

you were like the person standing in the line for the shoes to drop. Gotcha. Okay, okay.

Tacarra (53:59)
Yeah, absolutely, I was her, absolutely. But,

so let's get into it. next, we're gonna switch it up for Nike a little bit. Let's go ahead and get into, let me find them. Bear with me, y'all, because like I said, this was a lot for me to pull up. let's see. This might, here we go. So we got the Breonna Stewart right here, the Pumas. I like them.

Would I wear them in a game? No. No.

Courtney (54:27)
Absolutely not.

Pumas just in general hurt my feet. So I would never, you would never catch me like whooping in some pumas.

Tacarra (54:31)
Yeah. See for me, it ain't even about

the hurt of feet. They can hurt my feet, but it's all about me looking stylish. It's about me feeling good. It's about me. If I, what I'm, what I'm, what I'm a do to you in them. You know what I'm saying? So for me is, am I feeling like I'm gonna get 25? It don't matter if they hurt me or not. Do I feel like I'm, you might not. You might not.

Courtney (54:38)
That's crazy as hell.

don't think you gonna feel like that in some Pumas. You gonna be like, I got some Nikes right next to me. You gonna straight put on them Nikes.

Tacarra (54:59)
kids my if you feel if you feel some other way let us know let us know in the comments if you feel something different let us know yeah the design is great

Courtney (55:05)
It's fine, the design was fine, you know, but as far as like,

like hooping in them, no, Puma's like, yeah, they don't do it for my feet.

Tacarra (55:12)
Yeah, it might,

you know, so then we're going to get into, let's see here. We got to switch it up. So let's go ahead and go to these and I ain't going to say what I said off camera when it came to these, but so these are the Jacey Shelton. Jacey Shelton got her own little thing. It's a no for me dog. Good for her. It's a no for me dog. So I did a little research.

Courtney (55:34)
Good for her. Good for her.

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (55:41)
behind this this holo brand she has equity in the company good for her they they not it's not a bad shoe it's not a bad shoe i like the strap i like the colors i'm a colors girl i like that i mean if somebody gave them to me i rock with them i might get you by 15 you know that's how i see it when i put on a shoe is like how i feel do i want to give you

Courtney (55:47)
Good for her.

It's not. It's not.

Are these like mismatched too?

Like are they two separate? Okay. Okay. Okay.

Tacarra (56:09)
No, these are just different shoes. Two separate shoes. These are two separate shoes. Two

separate shoes. So let's get into them. Them's okay. They not my cup of tea. Not Courtney's cup of tea, but whatever.

Courtney (56:22)
Right,

Tacarra (56:23)
Let's see here. So then we're going to get into these. We got to get into the,

Gotta get into the... Yeah. I think these are the ones you sent me, right? Yeah, not me. She got creative control.

Courtney (56:30)
You pulling up them Colesons?

Colson's? Yeah. In case y'all were wondering what's on Sydney Colson's

feet, she's been named the first signature shoe athlete and official brand partner of Creative Control. She's wearing them as she checks in for the aces. Dang, she actually like, hooped in those. That's why her, that's why her, that's why her knee's fucked up.

Tacarra (56:51)
September 24th, 2024. Yeah. I like the low-top vibe though.

damn. Damn.

Courtney (57:03)
I didn't even know that those were like basketball shoes. They don't give me basketball shoes. They just give me...

Tacarra (57:08)
I didn't know they were a thing,

bro. You sent them to me. I didn't know this was, I didn't know she had anything. You sent them to me.

Courtney (57:17)
I did, but, that's just for me searching, and that's what they gave me. I didn't know either until they told me. But when I looked at it, but when I looked at it, I just thought like, ⁓ like she just has a shoe that like you go to the park in, or you go to the store, go to a grocery store.

Tacarra (57:26)
You told me!

You

Jesus, hold on

cuz you sent me two pair. Let me see if I have Let me see if I have the other ones up because the other ones that you sent me I thought that they were like Hold on cuz you sent me I thought they were like shy shoes Hold on. Let me see. I'm gonna bring up the whole Google search y'all. I thought these were like shy shoes

Courtney (57:46)
I think they are.

Also too! They do look...

Tacarra (58:02)
They

look like shahs, but shahs what converse. Ain't no one was he would converse. He shahs what converse.

Courtney (58:09)
I mean, cause she's basically like, she has like a creative director approach. So she would have some pool in the design of the shoe, but I don't know if it's over the whole shoe line or just her shoe line.

Tacarra (58:13)
This is Sting tissues.

I don't know.

Either way, I ain't doing it. It's not for me. It's not for me. That's all can say. So anyway, let's move on. It's no for me. The last two was a no for me. Not cause they not popular. I have my own little thing when it come to shoes. I know what I like. Them just ain't it. So let's get into the latest. We're gonna get into the latest. Let's do the, let me find her. Let's get into the.

Courtney (58:41)
Hmm.

Tacarra (58:46)
Let's get into them angels. Angels just dropped out of three of them. She dropped the me-bounds, she dropped the receipts, and she dropped the, what was they called? The dust and dust, something like that? The diamond dust. Why would I say dust and dust? Diamond dust, she dropped those with diamond dust. The me-bounds. I like the shoe. I like the shoe, I like the pink.

Courtney (58:58)
I don't know the names.

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (59:11)
I wouldn't hoop in these I'd hoop in the pink only for breast cancer awareness if that's what we doing if it's October and we talking about we weren't pink I'm gonna support my girl because I rock with angel The 120 I Don't know if you get 120 up off me

Courtney (59:22)
Mm-hmm.

Why not? Why not?

Tacarra (59:37)
I give you 90.

I'm not paying 120. I like Angel. I like Angel. I like the angle. If I like the Angel, I like the shoe. If it was a situation, if Angel, the pink ones is the ones, the only ones that I probably would go for and I would rock. If Angel would come out and Angel gave y'all, if Angel came out and gave y'all a triple double and them, so them's the me bounds.

Courtney (59:41)
Okay. For a Reebok.

I do too.

Tacarra (1:00:06)
The pink ones is called the me-bounds, which shut up the angel for capitalizing off that. You know what saying? If angel came out and grabbed you 20 rebounds and a pink ones.

Courtney (1:00:11)
Absolutely.

Tacarra (1:00:14)
And cause when it comes to shoes, like, so like I'm a vinyl record collector, right? You know, I collect records, vinyl records. So one thing that I say when it comes to records, every record tells a story. Every album has a story. So I think about that with shoes. And that's why I like Jordan. That's why people like Jordan's because people can relate to Jordan's and what, what Jordan did in them shoes, the flu games, The, the ones, It's, tell a story.

Courtney (1:00:20)
Right, I do.

I hear what you're

You know what?

That's a great, I love that point and Angel needs to be listening because like I love that. I absolutely love that.

Tacarra (1:00:43)
That's a great point. So if Angel

was to tell a story in these shoes, if she might have already, but if I don't know the story already in these shoes, that's a problem.

If Angel was to come and be like, I got the me bans on, I have these, these are me bans because I grabbed 12 offensive rebounds, which is a crazy ass number. So let's say I grabbed six offensive rebounds in this game, this game, that total sort, I would buy them.

Courtney (1:01:13)
Okay, but let me ask you this, because like I said, I'm not like a really like big shoe person like that. But I know people don't really rock Reebok like they used to. So like, is that the problem? Even though I know they're trying to do this whole Reebrand thing, which I think is great. I think it's absolutely great. ⁓

Tacarra (1:01:19)
Yeah.

That's a good point.

Let

me ask the question for you. Is this shoe gonna bring me back to get Reebok? Okay. yes.

Courtney (1:01:37)
Exactly. Yeah.

Okay. But just the Reebok for Angel. Okay.

Tacarra (1:01:42)
The shoe would, the, yes, the

shoe would do that for me because the last time that I bought a Reebok basketball shoe, I remember hooping. So when you, if you was to ask me today, like Takara, if you had to say who was your game, like who did, who's taught you how to play? I'm going say Allen Iverson.

Courtney (1:02:02)
I

knew you was gonna say that, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Tacarra (1:02:04)
I hooped in the i3s. Everybody else

had the Nike headband. I had the i3. I had the answer elbow band. I had the finger bands. like, I had the i3s. I had the questions. I had a bunch of questions. I'ma be honest with you. And I'ma keep it a book with you on this one. And I am a little tipsy when I say this, but if it came down to me and I'm thinking about my i3s, thinking about my questions, I like these better than the questions. I like these better than the Allen-Afferson shoes, to be honest with you.

Courtney (1:02:12)
Mm.

see, that's,

Tacarra (1:02:34)
That's a big statement.

Courtney (1:02:34)
I think for me, I think that's a little bit of the problem too, because I feel like...

Shaq was with Reebok too right?

Tacarra (1:02:45)
Yeah? Yeah?

Courtney (1:02:46)
How much success did he have with his shoes at Reebok?

Tacarra (1:02:51)
I'm be honest with you Shaq. I do remember Shaq at Orlando cuz that's when he was with Reebok I can only think about the time when Shaq came back around so I worked at finish line when Shaq shoes came back No, you talking about the Walmart's I'm thinking the one because he had a shit in Walmart for a little bit They were still Shaq's but he had his little rebate what was I mean? Was they was they?

Courtney (1:03:05)
And it had the little dunking icon on them.

but those still shacks, they just not rebox, okay.

Tacarra (1:03:20)
Child, help me, help me Lord. We still getting better before I, was that the shark lease? I mean,

Courtney (1:03:25)
I have no idea. I

thought those was the shacks, the one with the dunk icon. Like those, they were selling those in Reeboks, but they just... Okay.

Tacarra (1:03:29)
They were the shacks. Then was the Walmart shacks. He had two different ones.

He had Walmart's and then he had Reebok's. Wouldn't hoop in them. Wouldn't hoop in them. You want to pull them up? I got you. Hold on. I got you. Hold on. Let me stop sharing real quick. Bear with us. Cause I will do that. Let's do that. It's not a problem. Let's see here. You want me to pull up? You want to pull up both of them?

Courtney (1:03:39)
Okay, but did you like them? What do those look like? I wanna, what does it look like?

You don't have to pull up. Okay, pull up both. Pull up both. Pull up both.

Tacarra (1:03:58)
I'll pull up, we got time. I'll pull up shacks, re-bucks,

re-bucks shoes.

Shack attacks Shack gnosis. These are the ones we talked about these are the ones I'm talking about So these I worked at finish line when these kids these weren't the these were not the Walmart one specials These were not the Walmart specials the Shack attacks The only when I worked in finish line the only people who bought these were Shack fans They were probably mid-30s

Courtney (1:04:22)
Okay.

Okay. Okay.

Tacarra (1:04:33)
Almost 40. They were

the people who bought these. When I worked in the shoe store, they bought these. Shacknosis. 20, yeah, okay.

Courtney (1:04:40)
Okay, let's pause right there.

I think for me, I think that's a little bit of the problem. think, honestly, like if she's, I think it's great that she's with Reebok, but I think she probably needs to shift, or not even that, Shaq needs to give a little bit of creative control to Allen Iverson because people, what I'm saying is that people wear, they have worn Allen Iverson shoes.

Tacarra (1:04:48)
Hahaha

Courtney (1:05:06)
they know what Allen Iverson is and I think it's just him being attached to the shoe. It's like, ⁓ Allen Iverson had his hand in this shoe. So I'm buying it. I'm buying it for Angel and Iverson.

Tacarra (1:05:11)
Yeah.

He does though.

So did you watch Power Moves?

Courtney (1:05:22)
I watched some of it, but I watched some of it to the point and that's okay. So I was right in that. Cause I was like, I don't feel like he was like that involved. I think he's just more of a face, but I feel like if he was a little bit more involved, cause for me, like you said, a lot of 30, you said people 30 and 40, they're buying the shack shoes, right? That's not angels demographic. That's not her.

Tacarra (1:05:25)
wasn't included as he should have been. We're on the same.

Yeah.

But the thing

about it is, could not be, Allen Iverson could not be a businessman from that aspect, from that perspective. You know what I'm saying? He could not, are these even the shacks? We're gonna pull it up, because they say they're the shacks. I don't know if it's the, I guess, y'all. I'm not, we're gonna see. I'm gonna pull them up. I don't remember these being the ones that they might have been. Let's see. I put up Walmart site, well no, I don't, I'm not wearing that shit.

Courtney (1:05:58)
Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (1:06:17)
Hahaha

Courtney (1:06:19)
All I'm saying is that Allen Iverson, and they're $372, that's crazy. All I'm saying is that Allen Iverson doesn't need to necessarily be the businessman or whatever, as something, yeah. Like honestly, I feel like Allen Iverson attached to those shoes. Oh, now you like in a different space as far as shoes, not players, but shoes.

Tacarra (1:06:23)
That's a markup, that's a markup, that's a markup, that's a markup.

He needs to be like the creative director. Got you.

Yeah.

Courtney (1:06:48)
Nobody like that you talk to like really like our age or anything like, you gon', did you ever wear those shacks? Did you ever like get some shacks? No, but if you said, did you have them AIs?

Tacarra (1:06:48)
But.

Good point. Good point. But you

gotta think Shaq was 90s, Allen Iverson was the MVP in 2001. We grew up with Shaq and Kobe. I mean, not Shaq and Kobe. We did grow up with Shaq and Kobe, yes. But we grew up with, for me, Allen Iverson was, that's who taught me how to play. Then Kobe, my first jersey, NBA jersey, was Kobe.

Courtney (1:07:11)
Idiot. Yeah. Yeah.

Tacarra (1:07:19)
I'll say that I was a huge shack. My second Jersey might've been shacked. But when it came to like shoes, Allen Iverson was culture period. When it came to Allen Iverson was culture as far as I'm addressed his way to the games. He was fashion at the time. Allen Iverson would have been, I agree. But you know, if we think about like the, you know, the tunnel picks, Allen Iverson would have been the tunnel pick. The headlock, he would have been that.

Courtney (1:07:32)
So why, so that's my point. He should be attached to the shoes. ⁓

So just

think if she did like a, Like just think if she did like a, I don't know, like a mix of a shoe. Like where it's like an Angel and Allen Iverson type crossover type shoe.

Tacarra (1:07:45)
You're saying creative directive, creative director, creative, I get that. I get that.

Got you.

She did, she did his questions. She did like a paraphrase. She did his questions and I liked them. But still the other day, I'm not ringing a bell with Angel. I'm not ringing a bell as far as them. So put it this way, it's me as a sneaker head. I got you, I got you, hold on, I got you. So I got you, I'm pull this up. So for me, when it comes to that, I'm not going to, hold on, Jareese, wearing questions.

Courtney (1:08:00)
Okay.

Okay.

What did those look like? Let me pull it up. Because you got told you I don't know.

Tacarra (1:08:33)
one second because I remember exactly what you wore that was white and baby blue hold on here we go we go boom got you here they come

Why you not pulling up like I want you to? Hold on.

She did a couple of them actually. So let's go through that little rabbit hole. Here we go.

Well, gotcha. So she did these, because somebody was making these shoes. Those, she did these. These were supposed to be the Joker questions. These are Ellen Iverson shoes. These are the ones I was thinking of. These are AI shoes. But she was wearing the questions.

Courtney (1:09:19)
Those are probably those right there, like the ombre. Those are probably the best ones. It's like the, it's the color choices that are like off.

Tacarra (1:09:27)
I love these bruh. The damn Reese's. This is hard. No, the Reese's. Like the Reese's colors. I like these. The Reese's species. The custom slush.

Courtney (1:09:30)
The pink, it's the, they, I don't know. It's the, the, I don't know. Those cut.

I don't that's horrible. That's horrible. Horrible. Horrible.

And that's not no knock to, that's no knock to Angel. I think it's just the, it's the pattern and the color. I don't know. I don't think they, I don't know. I don't have shoe swag. let me, I digress.

Tacarra (1:09:59)
That's why it's important to have those things because for me like I said like it's important to have those different Dynamics because I'm telling you like for me like like I said like vinyl records like shoes tell a story to me I'm gonna get some Jordans because the story behind them I'm gonna get some like even so like what when I went the other day when I went to I was in footlocker the other day because I was looking for my husband some shoes and I pulled up I looked on the clearance rack and they had the damn KD for scoring titles

Courtney (1:10:09)
Mm-hmm.

I like that point.

Tacarra (1:10:29)
And I was telling the guy the story behind these shoes the guy who worked there. He was a younger dude I said, hey, I remember I said I remember when these shoes first came out. They was $95

Courtney (1:10:32)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (1:10:41)
There was only so many pairs of them. They was a scoring titles for KD and we stood in line for them and they was, it was hard to get. said, and the resale was $400. I got a pair of KD gold medals that's in my closet right now that I don't have a box that I could sell for $350 that I paid 95 for. You know what I'm saying? So like sneakers have a story. So for me, it's like, it's about that nostalgia. It's about the story like it is with music. So for me, that's how I think about sneakers.

Courtney (1:10:45)
Mm-hmm.

Haha!

Mm-hmm.

Mm, right.

I love that. Yeah.

Tacarra (1:11:11)
So I need for your shoes to tell a story for me. So when it comes to the ones that I like Y'all if you watching this some of y'all gonna like it. Yeah may not cuz I'm gonna go to the shoes that I like this

Courtney (1:11:23)
I just still don't understand why they put all of those patterns on

those other shoes. Why did they do, and those were the Allen Iverson shoes? See like, a story about what? What was the Reese's, okay the Reese's piece, okay I know, but what about the other ones?

Tacarra (1:11:31)
But they were supposed to tell a story though. I get where they were going. So the Reese, because she

signed the Reese's deal.

Angel signed the Reese's deal because they was like you should call angels so like with us

Courtney (1:11:48)
I understand that, but like, is that a good

business decision? What? No, no. I get the story, I understand, but like, yeah, no. It's not. I mean, the original story, yes, but is that a story for some shoes?

Tacarra (1:11:58)
I got you. It ain't landing with you. It ain't landing with you.

I feel you.

I feel you and the reason why so I agree with you on it and the reason why I'm agree with you because like I still feel like when me telling you the story of the KD shoes I feel like it's still landed with you these other ones ain't to not a non-sneaker person you know I feel you I feel you I feel

Courtney (1:12:19)
Yes

You didn't tell me a story. You said she got, you got signed, you got signed, Teresies.

Tacarra (1:12:28)
I I feel you, it's not

Courtney (1:12:29)
No.

Tacarra (1:12:30)
landing. You get what I'm saying? But let's ask a 22 year old, maybe they can land it. You know what I'm saying? But I feel you, because I can tell you where the shoe landed. I stood in line for this, this and that. The Jordan Fluke, you know what I'm saying? I feel you, so I'm with you on that.

Courtney (1:12:45)
You

think the 22, are they gonna wear the Reese's, the Reese's, Pee-sees? I mean, I feel like, I mean, I would get those for like my little, like a kid. Like I think they would love those shoes. You know what mean? But not like.

Tacarra (1:12:48)
They might, honey. They might. I'm not.

Right. Yeah. I feel like, I

feel like that's still like a story, but for us, like we not that generation either. You know what I'm saying? Like.

Courtney (1:13:06)
But that's the thing too,

if it's a kid's shoe, you can't be charging $120 for it.

Tacarra (1:13:11)
Jordan, Jordan won 150 for the kids though. Jordan won 170 right now for the kids. Jordan got a story and a legacy. So I feel you. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. But I'm gonna go to my favorites. I mean, I don't care. don't care. I'm gonna go to my favorites. These is not a signature shoe. These are some P.E.'s. I gotta go to these mugs right here. My God. I like it.

Courtney (1:13:16)
But Jordan got a story. He got a lot of stories and a legacy and championships and yeah, all of that. A lot of that.

I like those. It's not too much going on.

Tacarra (1:13:39)
These are the Caitlin Clarks.

The Kobe Fives, they're not the Caitlin Clarks. I gotta say they're Kobe Fives. But I am a Kobe girl. I've rocked the Kobe Fives, I've played in them. It's a lot of history with the Kobes. And I love the fact that...

Courtney (1:13:44)
I love, yeah.

Tacarra (1:13:56)
That's why I like that's why I like Caitlin Clark. That's why I like CC. Caitlin Clark know the history of the Kobe Fives. You know I'm saying Kobe Fives he's his shoes got ⁓ retro'd so they're worth some money now.

Courtney (1:14:00)
Hmm

Tacarra (1:14:09)
The Kobe, I've hooped in these. I've had the white one. I had the homes, the Kobe Lakers homes. I had those. I hooped those in the summer. They tell a story. I can tell you when I was at Rocky Top League in the summer, you know what saying? At Tennessee Tech. I can tell you when I, I hooped against the, the, the, Tennessee girls and I gave Shakina Strickland this. You know what I'm saying? I can, I can put a story with it. You know what I'm saying? When it comes to the, when, when it comes to the Kobe. So I like these.

Courtney (1:14:16)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (1:14:35)
If I had to say of all the shoes that we posted today who I would hoop in our hooping ease.

Courtney (1:14:41)
I agree.

Tacarra (1:14:42)
I'd hoop in these with Tennessee Tech Co. with some, shit don't even match. I'd still hoop in them.

Courtney (1:14:49)
Mmm, are these but these are like considered like low tops though, right?

Tacarra (1:14:53)
Yeah, but I like them. I like them. I'm taping my shit up. I'm taping my ankles up and I'm rolling with it.

Courtney (1:14:56)
I like them too.

I was about to say, cause I'm like, yo, like

I don't really like, like hoop in low tops. Like I just don't even trust my, like my ankles feel loose with a shoe that low. Like, the tape and the, the tape and the brace.

Tacarra (1:15:09)
You but you got you got to get the tape though as a hooper, know, you got to get the tape like I mean I'm taping up

I Wouldn't even see the braces through my swag off. So I'm like, I'm still I'm getting the heavy tape. I'm telling my trainer I need the heavy tape. I'm putting these on I hooked in these like I had two parodies in different colors I'm hooping the knees, but I'm a Kobe girl. I'm a Kobe 5 and Kobe 6 girl like even like in the background like hold on These like

Courtney (1:15:20)
⁓

Okay.

Right?

Tacarra (1:15:39)
These is Kobe Sixes. Like I hooked in these. Like I hooked in them in the summer, these is in the games. Like I'm any type of Kobe shoe, I'm going with it. and these right, I did rub my ankle in these shits. I'll say that. But I put the little donut.

Courtney (1:15:43)
Okay.

But her ankles

were taped and her swag was all together.

Tacarra (1:15:58)
And my

swag was I can tell I can give you a story. I can tell you I dropped 27 against TSU. You know, I can give you a story. You know what I'm saying? So internet that's what it's about. That's all I can say. It's about the story. It's a it's about the story. Let's see. So who child?

Courtney (1:16:12)
It's about this, yeah, okay. I feel you on that. I love that. I love that.

Tacarra (1:16:21)
I knew tonight was gonna be a long one y'all. just, I knew it was gonna be one. That's when I looked at it, was like, and I started like rehearsing and I'm like, yeah, it's gonna be some time. let's get into it. So, we talked about the signature shoe drops.

Courtney (1:16:24)
Ugh!

Tacarra (1:16:35)
Let's go ahead and get into... We gotta, let's talk about this. So we on the WNBA. Let's talk about them turning down the 400 % salary increase. So let me figure that out. One second. I have it all pulled up. So Courtney, I need your help with this one. Let's see. So, okay.

Courtney (1:16:51)
Okay.

Tacarra (1:17:00)
So the commissioner, had their meeting with the WNPA. The WNPA, had them talk about their structure, talk about their numbers. So they had agreed to give them a 400 % increase on their salaries, which would have been from a $66,000 to $250,000, you know, where they're at currently, to raising the max from

Courtney (1:17:08)
Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (1:17:29)
$250,000 to a million dollars when it comes to salaries. And the players walked away from that. So let's get into, they're talking about, let's get into Satu Sabali, because I think about, you know, she was the one who was mainly interviewed. No, she's not the president. Nneka's the president. Nneka Gumake's the president. But let's talk about what Satu said. She said, a lot of the times,

Courtney (1:17:43)
NECKAH NECKAH

Tacarra (1:17:51)
We were asking to be paid what the men are being paid. That's not true. That's what people are saying. We're asking just the same percentage of revenue or a similar percentage of revenue. She called the four times salary bump a slap in the face. It increased normal pay, but left players still under compensated relative to revenue. ⁓

Courtney (1:17:59)
Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (1:18:16)
So what they're asking for is a different revenue share percentage because the MBA is getting a 50 % of revenue percentage. WNBA is getting 9.3%. Go ahead, please help me.

Courtney (1:18:21)
Yes.

Yes. Yes.

I mean, to me, the way I look at it is like, and I feel like a lot of companies do this stuff, especially when you're dealing with people that have like unions. This is my take. Or it's more so like, okay, like let's dangle this carrot. Okay. There are all types. Yes. Like, ⁓ listen, there.

Tacarra (1:18:45)
Mmm. Good point.

Yeah, because it sound good. You hear a million dollars from 60 to

250 thousand.

Courtney (1:18:57)
I'm talking

about these people are sitting at a table and they're like, listen, like they want to keep money in their pockets. Let's just raise their salary. Okay. Not give them a bigger cut of the pie, but just get them more money because they think that's the real issue that they're concerned about. And let's appease them.

Tacarra (1:19:07)
Yeah.

Yeah. Because that's going to sound good.

That's going to sound good to a rookie coming to the league who's my, it would have been 66. Now it's going to be 250,000. That would have sounded good, but go ahead.

Courtney (1:19:20)
Yes!

Yes, but you forget that

a lot of those girls been playing when they was just making $42,000 a year. You know what I'm saying? And the crazy part is...

Tacarra (1:19:30)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Courtney (1:19:37)
Like you said, the WNBA players only make 9.3 % of the league revenue compared to the NBA. They making 50%, the NFL is 48, the NHL is 50%. And for real, I think the girls are only requesting 30%, not even close to the 50 or 48 or anything like that.

Tacarra (1:19:46)
Yeah.

Ooh.

And let's make a note on that

really quick because at the of the day, everybody, when they get into this conversation, everybody's like, the girls want you to pay the same amount of the man. No, that's not the case. They want a fair share of the revenue sharing. That's it, a percentage of what we're talking about is for what they feel that they're owed. And that's not, and I love that for them.

Courtney (1:20:05)
No.

And they should,

and this is the right time to do it just because we're women's sports is in general. Exactly, and this is the time to get into it, but they're not trying to like let them into it. You get what I'm saying?

Tacarra (1:20:20)
They want a part of the growth.

Yeah.

So let's

talk about this really quick. So the revenue double, let's talk about from 2019. So 2019, I guess it was $102 million in 2019.

to now it's 200 million in 2023, the attendance, media rights and valuations for the New York Liberty jumped from 14 million to 450 million and they're surging. then let's see, yet player compensation hasn't kept pace, still accounting for less than 10 % of league revenue. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the problem.

Courtney (1:21:04)
So that's really the point. That's why they turned

it down. Because y'all have the money to give us 30%. You have it, but you're just being stingy with it. That's what's going on. But then somebody asked me, which I didn't look into it, but they were talking about, I saw it going around on Instagram like that. The WNBA was in this debt. Did you hear about that?

Tacarra (1:21:11)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Always. Always.

Courtney (1:21:31)
And it's like, does that have like a play in it? But I don't think it does. They have the money. Like I said, I think it was a carrot that they were dangling in front of their faces to appease them for the time being, you know, but the bigger picture is that like we can get more than what you're offering. See, and if we take the money, you're going to be like, you should just be happy. Shut up. We gave you more money. So I don't want to hear about it again.

Tacarra (1:21:48)
Yeah. Let me see.

So you guys will be able to see this on the YouTube. We're gonna pull it up right now as far as the percentage and what it looks like. Because when you pull up the piece of the pie, it looks insanity. So there's that, which me and Courtney both have referenced to that now. When you pull up the piece of the pie, it looks crazy. It looks, I understand the difference. But I'ma just make a point for this. I think that that's important and that's why we, so where's the money going?

Courtney (1:22:11)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (1:22:25)
When they talk about the meteorites, it's $200 million. 2026, the meteorites is going to be $200 million. The player salaries are $17 million. That's a big...

Courtney (1:22:38)
All of them combined,

Tacarra (1:22:39)
All of them combined. That's a big, I

Courtney (1:22:39)
y'all. All of them combined, y'all.

Tacarra (1:22:42)
remember at one point in time when we were growing up, I remember the combined and the stat was the salary cap or the salary for one rookie in the league. I think it might've been 760,000 for like a rookie in the NBA was the whole salary cap for the WNBA. And that was when we were in school. So, I mean, like I said, we got to pull it up here.

Courtney (1:23:02)
Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (1:23:05)
for me, they do want 30%. That's that's correct. Because right now they're getting 9.39 9.3. So and then let's see NBA gets 50 % NFL gets 48 % and NHL gets 50%. I think that this is important. I think this is great because I'm gonna be honest for me personally, if I'm a rookie in the league and I'm coming to the league, I'm gonna be thankful for $250,000. I'm gonna be like why I take it. I think it's important. That's when you lean on your vets. So when you have good vets that you trust and I think that's why these

Courtney (1:23:07)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (1:23:35)
type of

things are in place as far as you you having people who's been in a league who's smart like NECA's great NECA went to Stanford NECA's you know what saying NECA's excellent I think she's a great person to be the representative for that situation so I think that's when you lead on those people as far as you know to do what's best and do what's right but you know because it's easy for people like Angel Reese to speak it's people it's easy for people to be like the people who've already got their money every season easy for them to speak and be like to turn it down it's not easy

Courtney (1:23:41)
Yes

You ain't getting nothing past her.

Tacarra (1:24:06)
for me to speak coming into the league. People who like, people who aren't getting those deals. People like Rachel Bannon. You know what I'm saying? Not just cause, just cause she was last, just cause she was last week. People like that.

Courtney (1:24:13)
knew you was gonna, I knew you were gonna say her name. I knew you, I know. But I knew you were gonna

say that. Yeah.

Tacarra (1:24:19)
people like you know i'm saying people zaya

cook who's gotten waved a couple of times she couldn't be getting her money overseas she got signed again by the by the storm but i'm just saying like people like that it's easy for them to be like i mean i want the money but no you deserve more so i think that shout out to the women at the end of the day like

Courtney (1:24:23)
She just, she just, I think she just got re-signed.

And I think

what's crazy is that like, feel like, you know, they've already been operating on getting paid this low amount of money. You know what I mean? So, holding out some more is not really gonna affect them in that big of a way. Like, you get what I'm saying? Like, they know how to operate making that much. Like, no, I'm not taking that. You know what we want, make it happen.

Tacarra (1:24:52)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. They can get to 30%. 30 % is no, we're not even asking for half bruh. So I'm with them on it. Yeah. I'm with it. Stick with it. I'm with it. 100%. Whatever I can do to support it. I mean, I ain't got no money, but I mean, not no money for that, but I can, uh, I can sign a petition. I can speak.

Courtney (1:25:01)
I think so too. They're not even asking for half. And that's their point. Like, you know what I mean? 100%. 100%.

Okay.

That part.

Tacarra (1:25:22)
I can, if I need to sign something, little, you know, little petition, we can do that. We can put the petition on our page. We can say a few words. That's all we got for y'all. know, we'll do an interview. We ain't got a dog in the fight, but we support the calls. You know, that's all we got.

Courtney (1:25:26)
We can sign a petition, okay?

Call us, we'll do an interview.

⁓

I don't want a piece of the pie, okay?

Tacarra (1:25:47)
Yeah for you, you feel me? So.

Courtney (1:25:49)
Hold on, hold on,

as the kids would like to say, I'm clout chasing off y'all trying to get paid. Okay, call us.

Tacarra (1:25:54)
We want

it for you. We're wishing you Queens the best. That's my favorite. That's my favorite thing. You know, I'm wishing them Queens the best. That's all I can say. But, so we talked about Zaya Cook signing back with the Seattle Storm. Let's talk about the Storm.

Courtney (1:25:58)
Right?

Right?

Tacarra (1:26:12)
So the storm have some drama. I picked the storm to do well in the playoffs. I did, but that's before like me, I'm coming to a person. I'm coming from a person who like for me personally, like I'm

Courtney (1:26:16)
You did! ⁓

Tacarra (1:26:25)
ain't in drama girly. I ain't in a drama girly. That's one thing I can say about my husband when my husband be like, you know, one thing I like about you when he says, he's like, you ain't never been in no beef with a bunch of girls. You ain't never been in no mess. Like it's just not your MO. So for me, when it comes to like all that, I don't get into that. So that's not a point that I register from when it comes to stuff, but they saying that the Seattle got a lot of drama going on. So.

Courtney (1:26:37)
Mm-hmm.

Didn't they just lose their last five games or something like that? Their five or six games? Yeah, because they just lost, right? They just lost. It was a close game, though.

Tacarra (1:26:55)
It might be six. Let's look it up. Let's see.

Let's End of the day people, we still got regular jobs. Folks got kids. We still got a lot to keep up with. They play tomorrow, they play this guy, they should win that one, honey. Lord have mercy. Let's see what they got. So they've lost their last... They beat Atlanta. They beat Atlanta. So like, they won two, three, four, five. They beat Atlanta.

Courtney (1:27:07)
That part.

did they beat them? ⁓ well, no, just, yesterday or on Sunday, that's the game I watched, they lost

to the Mercury.

Tacarra (1:27:28)
Friday. They lost to the Mercury Friday they won. beat Atlanta by two, but they've lost. They beat, they lost Atlanta before that, but they've lost. It's been close games. So it's not like they getting blown out. You know what I'm saying? It's close games. But what you think is going on there?

Courtney (1:27:32)
Okay.

sure. I mean like I feel like when Joy when Jewel Lloyd requested a trade that was like a whole bunch of drama in itself. You know she requested a trade after filing a workplace harassment complaint.

Tacarra (1:27:58)
workplace harassment is serious. That's serious.

Courtney (1:28:00)
That's crazy.

I don't even know. And I feel like they did an investigation on it and they found no policy violations or anything like that. But to even file something like that, has to be something behind that.

Tacarra (1:28:18)
That's serious. It take a lot,

especially if you, cause I consider jewel to be a dog and a vet jewels, a dog and a veteran. So like to, for me to come up on you and be on some like, I'm a follow a workplace situation. That's I'm at the last straw. It took about five times for me to get for real on it. But, but that, that one girl, the girl who's she's a Dallas now, I'm not going to butcher this girl's name.

Courtney (1:28:25)
And a veteran, like she's not new.

Yes, it's something with that.

Tacarra (1:28:47)
the Chinese player, Yui, something like that. She requested a trick for bullying. She get into it with players. It was that. She said she was bullied. No, no. That's what I saw first. I saw, I saw plant, no, I saw bullying first. I saw that first. Yeah, I saw that first. We get that.

Courtney (1:28:49)
okay. Yes. She requested a trade.

⁓ was it bullying?

Okay, cause I had saw something where it was just like her plan time or whatever. It was bullying. Okay.

Okay, so they trying to clean it up

Tacarra (1:29:14)
Then we've got who else just let's Alicia Clark Alicia Clark. They said she had an altercation. She and and they but Alicia Clark been in the league for a little bit. So it's like she probably not seen a lot. So for me to be on some and plus she won championships for Seattle. She won championship for Seattle. So for me to be awesome. I got to get up out of here.

Courtney (1:29:16)
Alicia Clark. She requested a trade.

And she played for the... Yes! Yes!

And that's

crazy because I feel like that's a real veteran team. I feel like y'all shouldn't even have these type of issues. Like what's really going on, you know?

Tacarra (1:29:37)
Yeah. Yeah! Yeah. Yeah. So I mean,

let's talk about it. So, mean, Nekka been there for a minute and we haven't seen these issues.

Courtney (1:29:49)
Well,

I think this is like what, two years? They only been there two years, I think. Yeah, cause she came with Skyler. Is it two or three? I don't know. I thought it was two. I thought they came last year.

Tacarra (1:29:53)
NECA? Three.

I feel, what? You,

I'ma let you go, I'ma go with what you said. I feel like Nicka been there for a little, it's possible, that's possible.

Courtney (1:30:02)
I don't know. It just seemed like yesterday. Times were, but it could

be three. I guess when I think along, I think like five or something. You know? But I feel like, yeah. But I feel like, yeah. And she came with Skylar.

Tacarra (1:30:11)
Okay, so we'll go with that because Nneka came from LA because Nneka was in LA forever.

There's that. Jules been there for a while. Who was the addition? Who was the addition? It's just hard for me to believe. I mean, I'm just gonna get to the shit. They saying Skylar the problem.

Courtney (1:30:23)
Yes, Jewel was there for a while.

I don't know who.

Tacarra (1:30:37)
They saying scholar the problem, they saying scholar the bully, they saying scholar the beef, but I just find it hard. Like, I find it hard for Julia to be beefing with somebody she went to college with. I mean.

I'm not saying that it's not happy. I'm not oblivious to that, but I'm just like, man, like we Notre Dame, you know, if it today, like it should be, it should be us against whoever you get what I'm saying? Like, but they've been saying your girl been believing for a while and they saying your girl been a problem for me. They saying that she been, you know, they saying that like she done, they said she, I'm telling you what Instagram said.

Courtney (1:30:56)
You, okay.

But I mean,

but you remember when she hurt like that whole clip that was going around with her and Diana Tarazi got into it on the bench.

Tacarra (1:31:19)
But they

say a lot about Diana, too.

Courtney (1:31:23)
This is how, this is what I think. I mean, yeah.

Tacarra (1:31:24)
Diana gonna have her way regardless

of whatever team Diana own Diana gonna have her way and you gotta know that as whatever whatever level you feel that you own especially for real though, especially in Phoenix where it's gonna be you before it's me. You know what? You know what? You gotta know that you know what I'm saying? You gotta know that so it's gonna be you before it's me. You gotta know that.

Courtney (1:31:38)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. She is LeBron. Yeah.

You gotta pipe down.

Tacarra (1:31:51)
But

who was it though? It was you before it was me. Just putting it out there. It was everybody else before it was her. Yeah.

Courtney (1:31:56)
mean, this is how I feel. Yesterday, I sent you that video of the

coach doing that interview. And I feel like she has this reputation of being this down to earth peace type love. I'ma just, and I'll tell you right now, I don't like that type of coaching style. That's just me.

Tacarra (1:32:14)
They don't complain about the staff too. They don't complain about the staff too.

Courtney (1:32:24)
That's not, I don't like that. I need some passion. I need some grit.

Tacarra (1:32:26)
They didn't complain about the staff too.

Courtney (1:32:28)
I need something like that. But I feel like personalities like that, they get, it's real easy for somebody that has a strong personality like Skylar to kind of bulldoze her into, I don't know, coaching away, thinking away, whatever. Because she's all like, kumbaya. I feel like she's the type where she's like, I want to hear what everybody has to say.

Tacarra (1:32:52)
Gash you. I get it. Gash you. You a bully. You need to shut up. I feel you. I feel you.

Courtney (1:32:53)
And it's just like, girl, no, put your foot down. You are the coach. They're grown adults. Yeah, they bullying her. Like, and she's like, she's

just expressing her emotions. Like, no, girl, like you play on my team. Like.

Tacarra (1:33:07)
She

in Seattle. She's, weed is legal. So she, so she's with the, she's with the recreational. Not saying that's what she do. I'm just, I'm just talking shit people.

Courtney (1:33:10)
I guess she just, she just super, I don't know. just, feel like I'm talking about for me, that's yeah, not saying that's what she did, but for me, I just

like that type of coaching style. I don't, I don't, I don't, it don't do nothing for me. I feel like you need to, as the leader and the coach of the team, like you need to like set clear boundaries. You need to like, I am the head of this snake. I know y'all are grown adults, but I got to put my foot down.

Tacarra (1:33:33)
Yeah.

Got you. Got you.

Courtney (1:33:40)
And I can see how strong of a personality Skyler can be while she's playing. Now, I don't know how Skyler is off the court, but while she's playing, she's very dominant. She's very type A. And I just feel like she, I feel like she, I feel like she runs that shit.

Tacarra (1:33:47)
got you. ⁓

One of my, so all I can go from, I never played against,

I never played against Schuyler. I never played against Schuyler. One of my teammates said they played against her in high school. Said I ain't been a fan of her since she called me a bitch at halftime. You know, that's one of my home, one of my home girls played against her and said they felt away. Did you?

Courtney (1:34:18)
Oh, we played against them and we're hit.

We got popped. I mean, yeah, we got popped. It was so bad that Chyna was like, she was like, this is when we had our new coach. We had our new coach getting popped. Plays just way, just way. Chyna, but still, but Chyna came in the locker room. She's like, so like, y'all remember Coach Mike's plays? Like she got up there and drew that play.

Tacarra (1:34:22)
I mean, of course. Of course, but...

Yeah.

You were supposed to. They supposed to pop you. They wasn't a vile for it.

Courtney (1:34:46)
and we was running our old coach plays. And he was so, he was like after the game, he was like, I'm not hurt, but I'm disappointed. And we all like, we're all like coach Mike's kids where we a little hard, rough around the edges, a little like, you know? And he say that and we just like, like get over it. Like that's our thing. But now we got popped and I think we were just.

Tacarra (1:34:58)
Okay, sir.

Right.

Courtney (1:35:12)
not good enough for her to even like spew any type of bitches or like that to us. ⁓

Tacarra (1:35:16)
Right, right. Well, this

high school team in particular was, so it was a, it's competitive. You know what I'm saying? So it might've been that, it's how she feel. But, end of the day, like, it's, but I'm not.

Courtney (1:35:22)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.

Tacarra (1:35:33)
When it comes to these conversations, I'm coming from a situation where I'm not soft because at of the day, like you not going to punk me. You're not going to, you know what saying? You know, you're not going to, you're not going to bully me. You're not, you're not going to talk shit because I'm a talk back regardless of how good you are. You know I'm saying? So it's like with me, you're only going to have a certain, you know what saying? You know what I'm saying? So for me, it's like, I see things from that level because it's like, you're not going to do it. I don't give a fuck who you are. You're not going to, you're not going to do that.

Courtney (1:35:40)
We went over that with Angel. McAughtry.

Right.

Yeah, exactly,

Tacarra (1:36:03)
So,

Courtney (1:36:03)
exactly.

Tacarra (1:36:04)
but for me, I mean, they saying she the problem. On Thras, they saying she ran off her husband and ran off her teammates. That's what Thras is saying. Thras said that, I ain't said it. I didn't say it.

Courtney (1:36:17)
Listen, I don't know about, I

don't know about her husband and all of that. You know?

Tacarra (1:36:21)
That's what Thred

said. I don't want to believe. I don't want to believe that because at of the day for me, we, if we even, if we Tennessee Tech, we Tennessee Tech, you know what I'm saying? Like we, we against Stanford. We against Notre Dame. We against whoever you get them. So we against Morehead. We against, I'm a, you know what saying? We against UT Martin. That's all I can say. If we here, we here cause we, you know what I'm saying? Like we so and so. So for me, I find that hard, but they saying she the problem.

Courtney (1:36:25)
Hey.

Mm-hmm.

Great.

Tacarra (1:36:50)
That's what threads is saying, but.

Courtney (1:36:53)
I mean, and that's what I saw too, but you know, like I said, I don't know about the husband because you start

throwing them, you start throwing them kids in there. I tell people all that, listen, this is what I'm going to say about the husband. Okay. You start throwing them kids in the mix. It changed the whole dynamic of your relationship. I didn't don't care how good your relationship is. It changes the whole dynamic and you have to learn how to maneuver with these new people.

Tacarra (1:37:00)
Brad said that.

Hahaha

Yeah.

Courtney (1:37:20)
a new life where your attention is diverted.

Tacarra (1:37:23)
And I don't know this for a fact. But we're gonna assume that scholars the breadwinner. We're gonna assume that we don't know. We don't know do could be working side by side by Elon. We don't know.

Courtney (1:37:31)
Okay, yes.

Mm-hmm.

I thought he was like an artist or something.

Tacarra (1:37:44)
We don't know. I'm just, I'm gonna assume that Scholar's the breadwinner. Scholar got Rognation, Scholar got Puma, Scholar got the WNBA, Scholar, we're gonna assume she's the breadwinner. That probably pays a lot of factor too. So, and.

Courtney (1:37:52)
Yeah.

Yeah, then she wasn't

playing for a while because of being pregnant. They don't have a maternity leave policy

Tacarra (1:38:04)
Because then it could be postpartum. Could

be postpartum. We don't know all this is speculation. You got to throw that in there. I can't speak to it. You can so that's what I'm saying. Like it could be those things.

Courtney (1:38:12)
That's definitely, nah, you gotta throw that in there. That's for sure. That's for sure.

That's for sure.

That's what I said. don't know about, what I'm saying is I don't know about her off court stuff. That I don't, girl, best of luck to you. But I'm talking about on the court. think some people, some people don't like that type of leadership that she provides. They don't like that. You know I'm saying? I don't mind. I don't mind that type of leadership. It's fine. Like somebody that's passionate and.

Tacarra (1:38:26)
I'm going off what Thread said. Yeah. We room for you, baby. We don't want you to be in.

Exactly.

Yeah, yeah, but you know, I think that, yeah. You know what though, like, shout out to my coach because my coach, like, I was a passionate person. I was a passionate person and I wanted to win. So like for me, like,

Courtney (1:38:46)
Like I love that, you know what mean? But some people don't like that. They feel like, you trying to tell me what to do. ⁓ like, you you trying to be the coach. You like the coach, you can't tell me what to do.

Tacarra (1:39:06)
I could have came off a certain way to you that didn't mean that way. It went away because I wanted to win. was passionate. End of the day, I'm coming out here and I'm giving a hundred percent, 200%. I'm not slacking off. You know I'm saying? And like for me, I had a coach who understood that. I had a coach that I would clash with who was the same way who would, we would go at it in practice. I'm talking shit to the coach. I'm going this, but it could have came off as well. Takar do this. Takar goes off. Takar does this in practice. Takar is this.

If niggas would have said I was a headcase, I wouldn't argue it. You get what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? But my coach was like, end of the day, you want to win. You're passionate. You're here every day. You showing up every day. You know what saying? You challenging people. So it's like, people don't understand that. You get what I'm saying? So that's like when it comes to Diana and they situation, we don't know what that was. You know what saying? But end of the day, bottom line, we know, end of the day, I know this as whoever I'm in on that team, if I'm a girl, if I'm a scholar,

Courtney (1:39:40)
Yeah, right.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

at all.

Tacarra (1:40:06)
regards to homeboy for the team. I know that end of the day when it comes to Diana on Phoenix Mercury, it's going to be me. It ain't going to be Diana. And I think for me, that is what it is. And you got to know that regardless. Like, and I think it was.

Courtney (1:40:14)
Yeah

And I

can see that, cause I feel like Skylar is very much vocal, very like, you know what I mean? She's a point guard, right? And it's like, I'm tired of playing behind you. Like I got shit that I don't wanna say. You know I'm saying? I got shit that I wanna like implement. Stuff that I wanna lead a team. I wanna lead my own team. And I think them getting into it or whatever that was, I think that was just like game.

Tacarra (1:40:26)
Yeah, actually she's a point guard. She should be.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's okay.

Yeah. See, I asked why I mess with Diana too, because they done asked Diana questions and Diana been like next question. That's what she done hit her with. When they done hit her with the what happened with this next question. She done hit him with, you know what I'm saying? Diana done hit him with that. like I, I, anywho, ⁓ I digress too. So

Courtney (1:40:50)
like passion.

Can we sit my drone?

Well, I digress. I digress.

Tacarra (1:41:12)
There goes that. mean, I'm wishing the team the best. like, I feel like Seattle Storm has the potential, the potential to do what they should do. I don't know. If you got a bunch of drama in your locker room, ain't never going to happen. If you got a bunch of bullshit going on behind the scenes, you're not going to get there. You know what I'm saying? Like that's one thing I can say about, cause my home girl, out to Jla, my home girl. Jla was like, ⁓ she's like, no, I like Minnesota. You know I'm saying? Minnesota is going to do that.

Courtney (1:41:26)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (1:41:42)
anything we got Minnesota doing the lecture slot after a win they they have a lot of good going in they locker room

Courtney (1:41:48)
A team, yeah.

Tacarra (1:41:50)
You know what I'm

Courtney (1:41:50)
Yeah.

Tacarra (1:41:51)
saying? They like each other. That stuff goes a long way. That stuff matters. If you like each other, they do an electric slide. We got D'Jane who just came on a team. We got her to do electric slide. We were party. We were party hats. You know what I'm saying? Like that stuff is going to take you a long way with your team. That's the, that team bonding mat in the play up. This shit matters. You know, and I'm gonna tell this real quick.

Courtney (1:41:54)
That matters.

Mm-hmm.

Especially in the playoffs. Yeah, that shit matters.

Tacarra (1:42:16)
I was the person who like I don't give myself enough credit sometimes because I was a person on my team who like and I still pride myself into this when it comes to like workplace I'm a person who has a relationship with everyone

Everybody and I'm not being I'm not being like cocky when I everybody likes me I'm a person who my homegirl works in HR and she tells me all the time. She's like you're the perfect employee Everybody likes you you follow the rules, you know, you're likable this isn't that you know So for me personally, I was the person who like if you were struggling in the gym Like I would go get extra shots with you if you wanted to I would pass you the ball You know what I'm saying? Because end of the day like I knew I

Courtney (1:42:55)
Mmm.

Tacarra (1:42:59)
I was the best player, but I knew I was going to need you. knew at end of the day, I might need you to hit a big shot. You know what saying? I would go out to eat with the person who nobody else talks to on the team. I was the person who had random friends. Like who, who, who, who is this? like, Oh, I know her from this person. I was out because you never know what you need people. And because of that, like I can still reach out to people to this day and be like, Hey, can you help me with this? And they will, you know I'm saying? So like with that, like that stuff's important when it comes to your locker room, as far as like when it comes to networking.

Courtney (1:43:01)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm, right.

Tacarra (1:43:29)
Best stuff matters. Your best player, just leadership. Best stuff matters. And I feel like with that, I feel like Minnesota has that. So when it comes to Minnesota, if Minnesota wins it like this year, I think that's something that's gonna play a factor. You you got to still buzz. They got good energy. Good energy matters when it comes to wins. So there's that. So here we go. So let's get into...

Courtney (1:43:31)
And just leadership. That's leadership.

I agree.

It does. It does.

Tacarra (1:43:56)
that's all we got. Well let's get into this. So let's get into, let's get into working it here.

Courtney (1:44:03)
Let me tell you something.

If I had to pick, I'm going with Paige. I'm going with Paige, that's that. But I'll just say this about that. I...

Tacarra (1:44:09)
Yeah. Yeah. That just is what it is.

Courtney (1:44:17)
Look at, watching Sonia Centron play as a professional athlete, it makes me side eye Notre Dame. It makes me side eye them. I'm like, y'all did not utilize her in the way she needed to be utilized.

Tacarra (1:44:21)
Yeah.

Yeah.

I know where you're going. I know where you're going. I know where you're going with it. She was the third option. She was the third option.

But you know what's

crazy? But when it come to stuff like that, you know, cause what's your, to your point, seeing that will make us question things. Like we're questioning, like, well, what, but I feel like when it came to like the media, they said that the media said like, Sonia Centron is projected to be number three in the draft. And we're looking like, what's your, why? You know what I'm saying? Like how, when, where?

Courtney (1:44:51)
Yeah.

They did, yup. Yeah.

Yeah.

Tacarra (1:45:08)
That's why people are paid a certain amount of money to do certain things because they know stuff that we don't. like, and I think about when I think about that conversation, I think about Russell Westbrook. I remember when Russell Westbrook first got his big deal, when he got $80 million, me and my husband was like, how is Russell getting, what do they mean? Russell's gonna get 80 million. Then that nigga went for average, a triple double MVP. And we're like, got it. You know what saying? So it's like, that's why certain people are paid to do, paid millions to do certain things.

Courtney (1:45:30)
That's what I'm yeah! Yeah!

Right.

Tacarra (1:45:38)
They said that all year. They said that about like she's number three in the draft. She's number this. She's going to go to the Mystics. She's going to go to, you know, Washington to do this. She's going to they said that, but I'm feeling it's looking like what, where, how? We didn't know that.

Courtney (1:45:49)
I steal.

mean, if she's practicing

with Notre Dame every day.

Tacarra (1:45:59)
Yeah.

Courtney (1:46:01)
It mind boggles me. That girl can play.

Tacarra (1:46:03)
It goes to show,

it goes to show that Notre Dame underachieved like we said they did. Because if you would have asked me last year, I argue with my brother-in-law, my husband's brother that Notre Dame was going to it all. I argue the whole time. I was like, Hannah Haddad's going to get player of the year. This, this, and that. I was.

Courtney (1:46:10)
They did.

You were, you were on that.

Tacarra (1:46:26)
with it. They gonna win

Courtney (1:46:27)
You was on that.

Tacarra (1:46:28)
it. They gonna win it this year. They under achieved because look at them weapons they have. They have this person who we talking about Rikki of the Year who wasn't who was the third option on that team. We got the number two option who transferred. We got the number one option who's still there.

Courtney (1:46:41)
Mm-hmm.

And she definitely underachieved. That's horrible. I don't like that under, I don't like that word. I'm not saying she didn't, she under the chief, but she just, they did, the team did.

Tacarra (1:46:46)
Undersheaved.

I don't like the word either, but it's reality. Cause they underachieved.

And they not gonna, I hate to say that, but I feel like, you know how we talked about when it comes to like, I talked about, you say one thing to a certain person, that could be the whole season. I think that's their whole legacy while she's there. I think it's Notre Dame. Notre Dame period.

Courtney (1:47:07)
Mm-hmm.

Which one? Hannah? Or Notre Dame?

Tacarra (1:47:15)
I'm saying,

Courtney (1:47:15)
okay.

Tacarra (1:47:16)
I'm saying that as far as I think that they chance to win it was this past year. And I think that we're not going to see, I don't think that we're going to see elite eight Notre Dame. I don't think that we're going to see a sweet 16 Notre Dame. I don't think that we're going to see that period. I think that this, that's it. I think, you know I'm saying? And it's like, we'll see, I think that we'll see the problem this year. So I don't want to get into what, whatever that was, but I think that we'll see it this year. So we can stick to the topic, but ⁓

Courtney (1:47:20)
yeah.

Yeah, no. No. No. Yeah.

I'm

interested to see it, but I think for me, obviously, it's Paige all day. It's Paige all day.

Tacarra (1:47:45)
I'm interested too.

It's Paige all day. I mean, I love

the fact that I feel like in the day you still got to keep it interesting as far as like the media, whatever, because I pull it up as far as stats. Paige is average in eight. First of all, Paige is leading the team, her team in points per game. She's leading in assists per game and she's leading in, I think, is it minutes per game?

Courtney (1:47:56)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (1:48:13)
But I don't want to get into, I'm not even gonna get into the year that Arikay's having. I'ma leave that alone. It's not a topic. I'ma leave the, she's leading in scoring assistant minutes plate, like I said. So I'm gonna leave that alone. I'm not gonna get into that year that she's having. But Paige is averaging 18.8 points per game. She's averaging 4.1 rebounds per game. 5.4 assists a game, which is pretty nice.

Courtney (1:48:17)
Yeah, that's not a topic. Cause you would go in.

Tacarra (1:48:37)
Sonya is 17 points per game, which is under Paige. 1.5 rebounds per game, which is under by three. 2.5 assists per game, which is under by three again. But she is leading in field goal percentage of 64%, which is a, whoo, that's a high percentage. That's a high percentage. But still end of the day, yes, 64 is a lot. 45 % is still high too. That's a high percentage.

Courtney (1:48:49)
Mm-hmm.

Here it is. ⁓

I mean, I

feel like for me, like this is probably like this rookie class has been very good. They've been very, I feel like they've been very solid.

Tacarra (1:49:08)
Yeah, Kiki. Kiki

better in the league than what she was at USC. I say that. And I like Kiki too. I want a Kiki to do more. And then in three point percentage, 40 % in three points. That's a lot. That's pretty high.

Courtney (1:49:16)
Yeah, absolutely. Me too.

Tacarra (1:49:27)
Page is 31%. That's still high too. So I think at end of the day, the stats is still with the 18.8 and the 5.4 and the four. Page isn't running. I feel them where they trying to say, you know, I mean, she's making her case slip. No, Page is it.

Courtney (1:49:33)
Mm-hmm.

Paint you.

I mean, she's in the

conversation. think she deserves, exactly. I think that's that. You know what I mean? Exactly.

Tacarra (1:49:45)
And that's all you can ask for So you can ask for as a rookie, especially when you weren't supposed to be there anyway You know I'm

saying page is supposed to get it So all you gotta do is just make a name for yourself put your name out there because in a long term you think about contract Negotiations you thinking about you know your stats and whatever as far as you that's all you can do. So, there's that So page is our pick Um, so let's get into the Kelsey Mitchell

Courtney (1:50:06)
Yeah, pages are picked 100%.

Tacarra (1:50:12)
MVP talk

Courtney (1:50:14)
Yeah, I mean, okay, so this past game she had what 38 points

Tacarra (1:50:17)
38. Hey, here's the thing though. She had 34 and a half cause she ain't scored at first quarter. Cause I bet on her ass. I took her demon.

Courtney (1:50:26)
Let me see, let me tell y'all

something. I think people, cause I told you she's from Cincinnati, Ohio, right? I don't know if like they're not getting like the real time Kelsey Mitchell. you really, don't, just, seeing her play in person is like, it's, you will understand.

Tacarra (1:50:32)
Yeah. Yeah.

That's the thing. People don't realize that when you see the nigga on TV

and then seeing them in real life is, two different things. Two different things.

Courtney (1:50:52)
It's totally different. Like if you see her

play in real time, you will understand why people are saying she at least needs to be a part of the conversation. You know what I'm saying? And I think that's what a lot of people are really just, you know what mean? Yeah, yeah. Don Staley says she should be a part of the conversation. So I mean, I 100 % think she should be a part of the conversation. Do I think?

Tacarra (1:51:02)
Yeah.

People are making that case right now. I think Sue Bird did.

Yeah.

Courtney (1:51:20)
There is a part of me that, because we both know that there are a lot of politics when it comes to sports in general, and you'll be very naive to think that there aren't politics that go into this stuff. But I'm gonna be honest with you, do I think they're gonna let Kelsey win an MVP before Caitlin Clark? Hell no.

Tacarra (1:51:25)
Yeah. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

No. Good point.

Courtney (1:51:40)
And that's just,

for me, that's just the politics of it. You know what I'm saying? Like, regardless of what Kelsey puts up and what she's done for the fever, especially this past season, but just knowing how that world works. Like, I just feel like if it... You know how they are. You know. You know? ⁓

Tacarra (1:51:43)
Good point.

Good point.

Yeah. Yeah. Good point.

Courtney (1:52:01)
But yeah, when I think about like Nafiza and, cause they're like the top three, right? Alyssa Thomas, Asia and Fi are like the top three.

Tacarra (1:52:10)
so Kelsey is, Kelsey is fourth in the league in scoring. ⁓ Nafisa hasn't played the last few games and she's still the Lehigh 23 and a half. ⁓ she's the front runner right now, of course, cause she's on the best team.

Courtney (1:52:15)
Mm-hmm.

She's silly, yeah.

Mm-hmm

Tacarra (1:52:26)
Asia second in the league 22. I'd be honest with you, end of the day, like if you, if you're the best player on the best team and the team making noise, that's, that's going to stand out every single time. And that's how it should be. Cause they don't do it without you. You know what I'm saying? I think that's the big thing.

Courtney (1:52:28)
Mm-hmm.

mean, and to me that's, that's the, that's, I mean, and that's really the thing. You know what I mean? That's,

that's the really thing. But you know what? I don't know. Sometimes I, you know, I would like to see Kelsey play with like an Asia. I would love to see something like that. Like, could you imagine that pick and roll? Like, that's.

Tacarra (1:52:55)
No. That would be nice.

Yeah.

I still feel

like I don't feel like I like this conversation because I'm being honest with you. I still like Kelsey with Caitlin and Aaliyah better than I like her with Aisha.

I I still like it. I feel where you coming from with her, Aisha.

Courtney (1:53:37)
If you're trying to get a championship

right now.

Tacarra (1:53:42)
If I'm trying to championship right now, do I think that Kelsey and Asia is beaten? Nafisa, Courtney, Kayla McBride, Atlanta Smith, Courtney Williams? No.

Courtney (1:54:02)
I mean, but what

I'm saying is that if I'm building a team with those two people, you're gonna have people, other people on the aces.

Tacarra (1:54:06)
I feel you far as being on a team. I feel you being on a team.

I feel you, but I just feel like I like a strong point guard is what I'm saying. I like a point guard like Kaitlyn Clark with the action, with her still being on the wing.

still and still she can create her own and still do whatever over there and still do screens whatever is what i'm saying better than i still like her in asia that's me personally not saying that's not a good whatever because yeah but it's still like that's a whole lot of focus right then because that's still guardable you know what i'm saying if that's how i feel like i still feel like that's the still

Courtney (1:54:34)
Okay.

Okay, so if we're

adding a big three, who would you add to Kelsey Asia? Because you're, so like you're saying like Kelsey, Aaliyah, and Caitlin Clark is a thing. That's the trio. So if you gave...

Tacarra (1:54:50)
Kelsey in Asia.

telling you if I'm thinking

about so let me tell you how I'm seeing it so when I think about what you said I'm thinking about Kelsey on the aces and I'm thinking about Kelsey on the ace with Chelsea Gray which I don't like right now

I just don't. You know what I'm saying? When I vision that.

Courtney (1:55:13)
get what you're saying. I'm not, and that's what I'm saying too. I guess

I'm thinking like a whole rebuild of the ACES.

Tacarra (1:55:20)
And

I'm trying to think about who I would want with that rebuild You know what saying? Like when I think about I'm thinking about Kelsey to the aces and I'm thinking about with the point guard being Chelsea Grey I don't like it. You know what I'm saying? I just don't just because like Chelsea Grey limping and shit. You know what I'm Like she limping and shit like you know what I'm saying? Like I'm

Courtney (1:55:25)
Okay.

Here you go on these vids.

really want to see Kelsey play with like a really good big person, big man, a dynamic big girl.

Tacarra (1:55:54)
big man. You ain't gonna get no better.

I'm not knocking Asia to me like if people want to argue today and be like on some like if somebody was to be honest like man Asia was in the greatest of all time I'm not gonna argue with that right now. I mean I'ma still stick with to my goat is spot cuz I mean I'm be honest with you it let when Asia got the MVP when I'm seeing Asia hit him with the jab and the pull-up I'm awesome Jesus Asia's good. ⁓ I Asia's good.

Courtney (1:56:09)
Okay, yeah.

I mean,

Mm-hmm.

Tacarra (1:56:24)
Asia is so good. I'm gonna say that I like Asia's game, but I'm just, I like Asia is good, but I'm just saying like when I think about that, like, we gonna guard it. You know I'm saying? Like I'm not thinking about it to be like.

Courtney (1:56:28)
Okay, go ahead.

Me personally, since Kelsey has been in the league, I just haven't seen her play with like that type of caliber of like an inside man that can do both. just, it's something that I would want to see and see where it goes. You know what I mean? Like, and I think you could add pieces to it to make it work, but.

Tacarra (1:56:49)
I feel you. I feel you.

I feel you.

Yeah. ⁓

Courtney (1:57:02)
think, see the thing about the fever sometimes is that they just have been so young for so many years. And I think Kelsey has been on, they have been so young, like for a couple years. So that's why I was like.

Tacarra (1:57:08)
I I agree.

I agree. And I can play

this back and be like, it's Carl. What was you saying? You know, I can play that back and say that, but I feel like I still need something more when I think about them right now. You what I'm saying? Like,

Feel like I still need something more when I think about attention because in the daylight you got to run to half court when Caitlin come down You cuz you got cuz you got to you know I'm saying you got to cuz she might shoot it we're gonna even she makes it or not You got to respect so you know I'm saying like if she could cuz it could go in you know I'm saying it might go in more than don't go in but the fact that you know that it might go in it might be the We're good. It might be a it might be a night where she might go oh and 11, but it could be a night

Courtney (1:57:37)
Facts. You got to. Yeah. Yeah. She gone shoot it. Facts. Facts. Facts. Facts.

Tacarra (1:58:00)
she goes seven and 11. You get what I'm saying? So it's like, you still have to respect that. So it's like, when I think about that, I'm thinking about who is it that I'm going to like more with Kelsey and Asia in that over here. we thinking about, you know, the, the half court execution, if we're thinking about that, who am I thinking about? A point guard that I like more. Who am I thinking about? Who do you think? Who do I like?

Courtney (1:58:01)
Right.

Right.

Tacarra (1:58:28)
is what I'm thinking about. Cause I mean, I'll be honest with right now I'm so pissed off with the WNBA cause I'm like, some people just been inconsistent and piss me off. Like I said, Chelsea Gray's limping and shit. You know what I'm saying? And I'm pissed about that. ⁓

Courtney (1:58:41)
It's a lot of people hurt, that's for sure.

Tacarra (1:58:45)
I tell you who I like with them. If I had to say with them, because if I say that I want them two to be my two and three option, my, my, no, I'm not going to say two or three. If I'm saying that I want them two to be my one and two option, but I still want a really good point guard who can still make a good little noise who's not Caitlin Clark. Cause then the day Caitlin Clark still going, she gonna, I'ma shoot first. You know I'm saying?

Courtney (1:59:10)
Yes.

Tacarra (1:59:12)
Right now, if I had to say somebody who I would like with them, I like Jordan Canada. Right now. I'm gonna say that. Because Jordan Canada right now, if she got to, she gonna get to the free throw line. She gonna get me rebounds and assist. She gonna look to pass first and give the ball up. She's gonna make a good play. She gonna go, she gonna read the defense. Okay, let me go score first. You know what saying? I like her with that because

Courtney (1:59:19)
Okay. Okay.

Tacarra (1:59:39)
She's a lot, but she ain't a lot. You get what I'm saying? Like she can be a lot if she needs to be, but I ain't gotta be. I feel like with Caitlin Clark, I gotta be a lot. I'm gonna be a lot. Even if I ain't gotta be a lot, I'm gonna be a lot. You get what I'm saying? I feel like when Kelsey and Asia would be a whole lot, we need somebody who ain't gotta be a lot, if that makes sense. You get what I'm saying? Yeah.

Courtney (1:59:42)
Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It does. Let me ask you something.

I guess it's something I should just look up. Because I was going to ask what has been their record since Caitlin Clark has been out.

Tacarra (2:00:08)
Yeah

Yeah.

It's up there. Hold on. Let's look it up. It's up there. Indiana fever.

One second.

It's pretty up there.

I feel like I just saw this stat. Hold on. I know who gon' not let me down, let me know. ChatGPT's gon' let me know what I wanna know. Cause they not gon'. Is that what you saw?

Courtney (2:00:45)
Okay, I just looked there 11 and 11.

Yeah, if you were 11 11 and games without Caitlin Clark this season.

Tacarra (2:00:57)
What are they with there?

Courtney (2:01:11)
Yeah, so that's I'm seeing 11 and 11.

Tacarra (2:01:14)
Okay. What are they with her? Did you see that? See, even chat...

Courtney (2:01:16)
⁓

They are eight and five where where Caitlin Clark has played during the 2025 WNBA season.

Tacarra (2:01:34)
With Kate McClarke.

Mmm.

See, I got eight, you say eight and five, right? Okay. So, end of the day, we, the proof's gonna put, they're still winning record with her. Eight and five, without their 11, their 500. So, end of the day, like, if you look at the records, they still better with her. Yeah, so, I mean, we can't deny that.

Courtney (2:01:45)
Mm-hmm.

Right, right.

Right, right. I think they're a solid team though.

Tacarra (2:02:02)
They're a solid, regardless, they're a solid team. You know what I'm saying? Because they just, so because of him, just got hurt.

Courtney (2:02:03)
When they're healthy, like I feel so bad for them that they just, I feel so bad for them in there. Cause I feel like they really had a chance.

Tacarra (2:02:12)
But did you see your

girl though? Allisi Sims had a big game.

Courtney (2:02:16)
She did, they was giving her a little grief though, wasn't they? Like that first game that she came back, I saw some comments like where they were just like mad about how she was playing, but I didn't really get to catch the game like that.

Tacarra (2:02:18)
Yes

Yeah.

We got people,

it's only so many people you can pick up. Everybody's hurt. We gotta get somebody.

Courtney (2:02:34)
I think it was a good pickup.

Tacarra (2:02:37)
Why haven't Chicago got her?

Courtney (2:02:40)
I mean, you saw my message earlier today. They have a lot of issues going on over there. They have a lot of issues.

Tacarra (2:02:42)
You know what saying? Why haven't why did Chicago reach out? They do and and you said

you clean house with the color. They just clean. just they just fired the coaches death. It's it's it's upper management, bro. It's it's that back off. It's the front office. It's the GM's at this point is the owners is it's giving Jerry Jones up there. ⁓ Anywho, but I mean.

Courtney (2:02:53)
They need to clean, they need to do something. I don't know, like.

They need something. They...

Yeah?

Tacarra (2:03:09)
Whatever. But I mean, the case with Kelsey Mitchell, I'm I said, right. If I think about today, is somebody a guard who's going to be enough, but not a lot, not too much. I feel like with them, you don't need a guard who going to steal the show. You don't need a guard who going to pull up for a three when we can get better options. You know what saying? So I feel like Jordan Canada would be that.

Courtney (2:03:21)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

I like that. I like that.

Tacarra (2:03:31)
You know what saying? So that's one thing I

have to say. And I'm gonna think of some more. ⁓ so to that point, so last week we had talked about, and I'm gonna bring this up and we can end soon. We had posed the question of who is not in the league that could take the place for your girl, Hailey Ben-Li. You know who I thought about? Kalina Mosqueda-Lewis from UConn.

Courtney (2:03:53)
Who?

Okay,

I mean

Tacarra (2:03:59)
Kalina. But you know what somebody else said on Tik Tok as far as who we gonna remove? Kia nurse. Kia nurses on that damn team and how the shit Kia nurse is still on the WNBA team. don't know. How was she still in the league? She gives you nothing. And I'll be trying to cut a little bait. I really do. I'd be trying not to go in on here cause I'd be trying to keep the peace, but Kia nurse gives you nothing.

Courtney (2:04:15)
Listen, listen.

Tacarra (2:04:29)
Why is she, why you still there bruh? How?

Courtney (2:04:32)
You said this before. You say before that there are some veteran players that need to just kind of like let let some of these new. You sound like I wish I could think of her name. Is it Cheryl Miller? Cheryl Miller. That's her name. Cheryl Miller. Reggie Miller's sister. She was just on I think Up in Smoke with Steven Jackson and Matt Barnes. Yeah that one.

Tacarra (2:04:38)
She gotta go. She gotta go, bruh.

Yeah. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.

Out of smoke.

Yeah.

Courtney (2:04:57)
And they were asking her, would she ever coach? And she was just like, basically like, nah, I don't think I could coach. She said, but I'll be one of them people up there like, yeah, you need to be traded. She needs to sit on the bench. She needs to do this. She was like, nah, I could do that.

Tacarra (2:05:06)
Ha!

politics with the WNBA. It's a lot of politics with it. It's a lot and I don't understand why. You know what saying? I don't understand what do y'all have on these people? What hold do you have on people?

Courtney (2:05:14)
It is. It is. ⁓

It is. ⁓

Tacarra (2:05:25)
Because if I'm thinking about a two guard, wing player, who can shoot? Because Haley VanLiv is not in a position to be a point guard. I know she wanna be, it ain't working out, honey. You know what I'm saying? I know that she wanna be, that ain't it. I get that what you wanna do is what you felt that you need to do, but it's not it. And that's okay, it's okay. Kalina, Kalina is somebody I'm thinking about, because Kalina's still balling, Kalina's still hooping.

Courtney (2:05:47)
Yeah,

yeah.

Tacarra (2:05:48)
And Kalina,

Kalina, we talk about the one of the best shooters. You know what saying? Nick has got Kalina fucked up at Yukon. Kalina's up there too, as far as top, top six. You know what saying? Kalina Musketa-Lewis, if I think about somebody, know, cause I had to get, I had to join first with my husband on this. Like who would you pick? And that was the first person he said, he's like, you know, yo girl, the person you like so much, Kalina. Let me tell you about a story real quick and Kalina, we can end on this. So my teammate, I had a teammate in college.

Courtney (2:05:54)
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

Mm-hmm. ⁓

Tacarra (2:06:17)
And she was talking about how she played Kalina in high school. And she was like, so we heard that Kalina was going to Yukon and then she walked out on the court and we was like, that big girl, she's chunky. Kalina was always a little heavy. She was chunky. So she said she came out and they was like, she going to Yukon. Like that girl coming to Yukon. So she was like, so she came out and you know.

Courtney (2:06:34)
Mmm

Tacarra (2:06:45)
She came off a screen. She didn't take a dribble. She hit the first three. So I told my teammates and I was like, okay, like that's one, you know, this is my teammate telling this story. I'm telling you. She said, she came out, she didn't dribble. She came off a screen and hit one three, just literally a one, two step three. Didn't hit the rim. Didn't hit the rim. She did that. So she said, I looked at my teammates, you know, I'm an upperclassman, I'm a senior. I'm like, that's just one. So then she said,

Courtney (2:06:53)
Haha

You're right.

Tacarra (2:07:12)
She came on the right side. The first side was left. She came on the right side and the same move. One, two, step three again. Didn't hit the rim. So that's two. So I looked at my teammates and I said, that's, that's just two. So that's just two. So you necessarily two, whatever she said. So then she came off again. Same thing, same play. Then she hit a third one. Didn't hit the net.

Courtney (2:07:35)
It's

gonna be a long night.

Tacarra (2:07:37)
So then she said I

looked at my teammates again. I said, mean it's just three. Then they said the first then my teammates said the first quarter then she hit the fourth one the fifth one and the sixth one. And then she said, okay, I don't know what to tell y'all. Then she said after that I said, yeah, okay, she's real.

Courtney (2:07:41)
They told her to shut the fuck up.

Yeah, girl, shut up. Shut up.

Does that go to

you guys? She's going to you guys.

Tacarra (2:07:58)
You know what saying? She going

to Yukon for a reason. And I think the girl had about 40, something like that. And she said she don't think that she's dribbling all night.

Courtney (2:08:05)
Easy!

Tacarra (2:08:12)
I don't I don't think that she dribbled all night. She said I think that she was just catching it off screens and was just shooting with no dribbles. Hey, that's what she said. She said I don't think that she's that thinking about I don't think that she dribbled the whole night. I think that she was just catching it with footwork and shooting. So I mean after that.

Courtney (2:08:17)
She got 40 points with no dribbles. She had a clay Thompson night.

I feel like you could really dive deep into that. Like think it's a lot of players. There's a lot of players that could be playing right now, but I think that's great for the expansion teams that are coming. So I'm interested to see if any of those girls are, you know what mean? They finally get a chance to shine.

Tacarra (2:08:35)
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Kalina

was one of them ones at Yukon that we don't get talked about enough because I want to say Kalina is probably top. I know Kalina is top 10 when it comes to scoring at Yukon. Gotta be.

Courtney (2:08:56)
Mm-hmm. Yeah,

Tacarra (2:08:58)
Cause like it's a whole,

Courtney (2:08:59)
yeah.

Tacarra (2:09:00)
I think when I think about her, it's the same thing. Like I don't remember her taking a whole lot of dribbles. You know what saying? You know, I, but real talk, I don't remember her dribbling a lot. I remember her just shooting. That's what I'm saying. But.

Courtney (2:09:04)
Yeah

Right. I mean, not that Gino would allow a bunch of dribbles. So.

Tacarra (2:09:13)
think

that I just remember her just coming off screens and just shooting. And it was muscle memory, her just shooting the ball and it going in. it's like, when I always think about her, think my teammate was just like, hey, she hit three and I was like, you know, it's only three and then she hit four or five, six in the first quarter. And I was like, okay. Let's show her respect. Let's go and call her out. But.

Courtney (2:09:31)
Let's go hire somebody else. She's

going to get 50.

Tacarra (2:09:37)
Yeah, she's looking to put through this point. Let's take it serious. But yes, we appreciate you guys for tuning in. This was a fun episode. I enjoyed it. Like I said, this is girl time. We like it. We was along with it. I don't care. Like I said, regardless, it's fun. We enjoy it. We appreciate you guys for supporting us. Continue to share with your friends. Like I said, we got a demo. You wanna show us a little love. It's at the Menmajors pod. Let us know what you're hitting on.

Courtney (2:09:39)
Yeah. ⁓

Yes, definitely.

Yes.

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