NORTH LONDON BURNING

Rhys & Jordan welcome back a Close friend of ours Carl to Discuss what on earth is going on in north London at the top end of the league arsenal seem to be having a bad run of form, will they finish 2nd "Again" then their rivals Tottenham don't seem to have any fight in them left!

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SPEAKER_00 0:09

Right then, Carl, last time well we asked you questions uh as like an introduction, so I'm just gonna go straight into it, yeah? Do you think Arsenal will win the the league?

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Um I think they will. You do think they will. It's not but it's not gonna be straightforward. And the reason why I think they will, so I think they're playing Man City next week, Man City will beat them. Yeah. Um plus they've got a game in hand as well. Man City might even beat Burnley and technically they go top on goal difference by that point.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Um but I think Man City are still gonna drop points. Do they? Yeah. It's not obviously because we've seen in the past the win.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Have you seen Arsenal's April record over the past five years?

SPEAKER_01 1:02

I have seen it. One win. But it's Mason. No, I have I have seen it, and it's not even a case of thinking Arsenal are too good. I just think Man City are still gonna drop points. I don't know. I think I think Man City doing that thing. I want Man I want Man City to win it, and I hope they do. Um but I just think Arsenal have gone so far.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Now it's almost like if they don't do it, can I can I just ask you another question while you're on that path line? Do you think that Pep has an advantage being a serial winner and knowing that he has he can do it, but he's done it in these situations before where he has come out on top and win the Premier League. And do you think Arsenal doesn't believe uh Arteta sorry doesn't believe in his squad as much as he? And do you think that will play a part as well? Because like Jordan just said, in April, Arteta's fall hasn't been the best, and he's doing these stupid things right now, like these pen games, he's putting TikTok videos up in the training ground with like uh edits of them like you know calling the players out and saying how good they are, just trying to get some motivation. That wouldn't stroke belief in me as a player if I was playing for him thinking, Why is he doing all this? Does he not believe in me? Whereas Pep, he's been down this road before.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Yeah, well you said does Arteta believe in his squad? He does, but I don't know if his squad believes in him. I don't think they do.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

He's got one Covid Cup anyway. I'm not taking it.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

He wasn't even his squad either. No, you're right, and listen, this thing about Arsenal, talk about bottling and all that. History shows, yeah, that is what happens, and that's what has happened. And until they do it, you're not gonna believe they can do it. And that's the same for them. It's like if I was in that squad, I'm not gonna believe we're gonna win it until we've won it. The problem is the Arsenal fans I think that's the difference.

SPEAKER_02 2:43

I think Man, sorry, I think that's the difference. I think Man City do have that. Well, we've got that we can win this.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

Pep has it, but how many players in that squad? Look at all of the new players that are in that haven't done it yet, as such.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

They've got no experience, Arsenal. They haven't got a winner in their squad. If you think about it, who currently in their squad is a winner. They haven't got that in the side. Depends what you mean by winner. As much as you say winner, but a serial winner, someone who's who's who've been around the block a bit, that's what I think they're missing. They haven't got that in the heart of the midfield or at the back. They haven't got someone who knows how to control that mentality.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

It does play a part. It does play a part. Well, let's say, you know, let's say next week Arsenal go to Man City and play for the draw. Well, they will. And they did it at Liverpool and they lost. But they play for the draw and they get the draw, then what? Everyone shuts up and goes, okay, Arsenal won it.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

I don't know. I don't think that will suit Pep, I think.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

Well, Arsenal playing for the draw, I don't know. I don't think it would, because you've seen a couple if years down the line, they've gone there and got the draw for by playing for the draw.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

I just feel like maybe with uh how Arsenal are performing at the minute and how because Man City Man City look like Man City again, yeah they do. I feel like this that if you're Arsenal now, you'd be open for another West Ham or Fulham the games they've got. And they have under pressure as well of someone breathing down here. West Ham are looking okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

But it's the thing though, it depends on West Ham's position by then. If West Ham are clear of the team you've got to go later. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, but that that's you say you say literally if that if that is the case with West Ham. They haven't got anything to play for, bro. They're even more karma. No, no, no, no, no. I think if West Ham need to win, they will win. No, no, no. The way West Ham have been the past couple weeks, it's because they've is they will die. And they're in London. They're gonna want to. If they're playing Arsenal and they have to win, I think they can win.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

But if they don't have to win, I don't see I'd like to think here we go. I'd like to think that the relegation scrap isn't gonna be about that. I think I I'd like to think that West Ham are gonna need to fight for points still. Yeah, yeah. I'd like to think that that's what I'm thinking about.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

Yeah, and if I've look looking at the fixtures, I think that's probably a that's a game I do see Arsenal potentially dropping points, but outside of that, and I do think the last game of the season as well.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

That that could be a bit of a banana skin. What a palace fighting for. Exactly. But I'll just think I'll just no, I'd no, I'll just think mid-papo, they've got nothing to play for again. No, because I think I think and it could be like a then it's got one nil remote.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

No, because Crystal Palace have decided to show up against Fiorentina, aren't they? So if they have a good if they have a good run, like you say, they're gonna finish that they've got nothing to play for, they might they might just be like, right, just throw up I'm not but like if you were the owners of Crystal Palace, you know, and you're in the final of the Conference League and you sort it, are you gonna play a strong team against Man City?

SPEAKER_01 5:31

And Man City are fighting for it. So no. But you speak about European football, so I want to go into Arsenal on that actually because I think a bigger reason why they're actually probably off form right now is because they don't just go, it's the Premier League, let's focus on the Premier League or Champions League, Champions League. I think all this quadruple talk when they were obviously in the final city can still want to travel.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

Yeah, they can still unfold.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

I think I think all that talk for Arsenal, I think that got to their head so much that they flopped the final, Carolacup, they've flopped against Southampton, and now they're in a case of maybe the fans are going, oh I'll still win the double. But this is the thing to me. They can't be thinking Champions League and Premier League, they just need to focus on one, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

But this is this is the thing for me. I think that this is the difference that it's like I I don't, and I'm not just saying this, I genuinely, and we've had this conversation, I genuinely don't consider the Invincibles a great Premier League team. Nah, neither right. Because I think if you name to me, if you named the great teams, are the teams that do like Man United 08, Man United 99, the terrorists. Yeah, you know, the the good they're they're winning multiple things. I'm not just saying it because it's uh it's Arsenal, I'm trying to throw shades. Like I'm not, I'm generally not if they're currently Arsenal team. If they're a good team, if they won the FA Cup as well, let's say, or even a League Cup, do you know what I mean? But like you say, but it's it's the thing of they have nothing to focus on, so you put it all into one thing. I'm not taking anything away. A Premier League title is a Premier League title, doing the invincible, no one ever done it. Yeah, but if you were to make yourself like a top 10 now, I wouldn't I best teams to win the Premier League. Yeah, you'd say they would I'd say less they're above that team.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Oh, 100%. I think more so I mean that's given the given the bullet thing.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

But I but I agree that Immigns wasn't not that as great as well.

SPEAKER_02 7:11

But the thing that people don't realise again, like I am genuinely not taking it away from them, but they drew 14 games.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Yeah, no, no, this is what I agree. I don't think they are as great as people say, like they're not one of the all-time great teams in that regard. They're great players, but but obviously it's like for example, yeah. So in that season, they had the game at Old Trafford where Van Israel hit the had the penalty 90th minute and he's hit the bar. If that goes in, then then what? Then they haven't gone on invincible and there's no talking at all. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's them small margins where that's happened, they're not going on a big risk.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

Can I just like genuinely is it does it actually does it mean anything? No, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

No, no, especially when you look at the fact that you could go with invincible and still not win the league. 100%. Of course, yeah. Do you know what I mean? So there we are.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

And especially in a relegation battle and draw every game.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

The fact that isn't the points record, like do you know what I mean? Like that's when you go, there are teams that were obviously by.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

I think it's more impressive, like by Levercution's. The thing is with Arsenal, is Arsenal were the it was Man United Arsenal, do you know what I mean? That's why it's not like by Leverkusen, again, what I think Leicester, because Leicester just come out of nowhere, they were nearly relegated this year before, come out of nowhere, done it. Blackburn, do you know what I mean? I mean Blackburn were sort of in and around it when they won it, weren't they?

SPEAKER_00 8:22

Yeah, throwing around.

SPEAKER_02 8:23

Do you know what I mean? Um they're in the sort of teams, I'm not taking anything again from Arsenal, but I think as well with playing. I still feel they haven't recruited Clever. I've said this before, I think their recruitment's awful. Yeah, they've got no currently.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Yakarez is a bad signing. Yakerez is a bad signing. I mean, he's scored a couple of goals against Tottenham.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Why are you signing Eza? I'm not saying he should have come to us, but why are you going to Arsenal? If you look at who are the he he signed Madweke at the start of the season. I think that's their best signing so far, though. Yeah, but I even mean that wasn't that.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Super Mendy's been good as well, to be fair, but I think Madweke's been good because.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

No, what I was trying to say is that Madweki was uh the the the player that he wanted. Do you know he got them at the start of the season, didn't he? At the start of the start of the transfer winner, so you know Eze was just like a last minute thing because um It was a panic boil, I think.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

But they couldn't they could have got Semeno though instead of uh Madweke, do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 9:23

Like I think if with Yokarez as well, like I've said to you, I think if um when Isaac had turned around and said I want to leave Newcastle, I would have fucking died on towards and said, Look, I appreciate that we're gonna come for you, but we're not now. You know, it's just I just it just none of it made sense. Like what why you need it says a lot, right, when Yoker when Kai Averts was injured and Kai Averts, of all people, your manager come back and say, I can't wait to get him back. You've got you've got the next best thing, you know.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

He won the he won the Gerd Muller. Yeah, but I mean in fairness, look Aukris, he's still got what, 18, 20 goals this season in all camps and all camps, uh 14. He scored his own. Yeah, you look at all his buttons it's not like he's coming down to nothing, and he's scoring against the lesser teams as we as we suspected he would do. A couple of tappings. But we were there in the pup that died.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

That's how it would be anyway. Bagging that hatred against Leeds when you win four of nil, isn't gonna win your league total.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

Can I just backtrack you saying about the Arsenal invincibles, about how it weren't the greatest? Where, if let's say, for instance, Arsenal was to win the league this season, where would that team go down? This season, it's Arsenal. Yeah, that ended the water. Well, the fact that's the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 10:37

How do they come up against the all-time great teams?

SPEAKER_00 10:39

That's where you that's where it's already gone wrong. I think this team would be one of the worst teams to ever win the Premier League. I listen to Marman. It's the the look I don't even know how to put it nicely, but they just look a bit shit playing. It's not I don't look forward to watching an Arsenal. No, I think I seen them I think it's boring, mate.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Uh Tom Garrett said on pitch side that they are and he was he was like, no offence to it, because a league's a league, but he said this is this will be the worst team to win a Premier League. 100%, yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

I I don't disagree.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

But football, football, I've said as well. I think football in general this season has been a bit poor. Like every every every no everybody's off. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Like I mean, I know what you're saying, but But Bars Barcelona don't really look that good.

SPEAKER_02 11:26

I mean Bar Munich, I mean I was just about to say they're a bit in their stride now, but I was about to say Barn Munich of course. PSG is still very good, but PSG don't look as good as they did last season.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

I thought they could look good last night, yes. Yeah, I think.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

But they've had lens and that trying to chasing down a minnow all season.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

So I mean they're not the same PSG, they were very good. Yeah, I'm not taking anything away from last night's result, but what I'm saying is they still weren't they're still not the PSG. But you don't you don't always have to be at that level to win, though.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

Do you know what I mean? No, I'm I can say with Arsenal, they don't have to be 100%.

SPEAKER_02 11:53

That's what I'm saying. And now I'm thinking if you if you bottle another season where football's been that poor, this is the difference between like Leicester, that was another bottle season, in my opinion. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 12:03

Yeah, Leicester's season's been big.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

It was there was a bottle season, but Leicester carried on that momentum, carried on going, carried on going, carried on going, whereas Arsenal haven't.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

Yeah, I mean to f uh uh the last question I want to ask you on Arsenal, to be fair. Um Artetal, if he does finish second again, that would be four seasons in a row finishing second. Do you think that you've got to pull the plug on it then?

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Well, going into the season, I thought if they don't win anything, it's surely gonna leave. It surely has to go. And given how far clear they were, if they don't win it, whether it's him deciding it or whether the club decide, I think they should probably move on. Because if he don't win it now, when how will he win it? Because Man City was the perfect. Yeah, I mean can even argue Man United are getting better, like Chelsea have got a young squad, Liverpool probably get a new manager next week.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

Chelsea and Chelsea ain't doing anything with uh Rossi in you know they definitely get someone else. He's got his gone at the end of the season, anyway. But he came out to be fair and he had a good point. I seen a thing, and it was Grian Potter. Um, and he was turning around saying, Look, I didn't I didn't have that time. When you look at uh Michel Arteta, he didn't come in, he's been given a chance. Uh Jurgen Klopp was given a chance, he said I just want that chance, and it was Grime Potter was saying no I didn't get that chance, and then it cut to uh Rossini saying the same thing, look, I just need a chance.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

I think Enzo Moresca as well, he didn't really get a chance if you think about it. Yeah, but that's his sack for different reasons as well as hard as that is. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

You can't come out and go the board of shit. Yeah, but they are they are. But you can't say that. It happened with who else did it as well? Uh, Amarin did it. The exact same thing.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Yeah, he was asking for it though. He wanted to be a good one. So I don't think he couldn't draw a quick because he knows how much money he would have fucking had. He would he was writing on a big payout, so he won't he was never gonna.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

Yeah, but are they? I mean you say that, but are they?

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

Do they? Because ultimately they want to match ultimately. What would you do, or if told you stay there for six years, but you leave. No, no. So Almer gets all that money if he sees out the remainder of his contract. If he ho if he gets hired tomorrow, then he doesn't get his money. It doesn't work like that. No, they get a you get a payout, no? No, you get the remainder of your contract until you still get he's still getting paid.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

But if he gets another managerial report. So what happened with uh Padre when he got given a nine-year contract with Newcastle? I don't think it works like that. I don't think they get the. He got paid out, no? Because I remember seeing it in the papers about how he got a big Again like a 13 million or something.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Something stupid, yeah. But um I mean you'd be imagining it's different for every manager and depends on what's in the contract, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 14:28

That's what I've seen. I remember seeing the thing with Almer saying that he he's getting paid by United until he gets another club. Another club, sorry. Klopp. Another clopp.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

He's a he's effectively on Garnian leave, isn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So to uh as as I take it then, you're having Arsenal to win.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

I mean I do, but I I say it loosely because I don't believe in Arsenal. I don't believe in them fully, but I do think that both teams are gonna drop points from now on to the beginning of the season, and it's potentially just gonna be enough for them.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

What what about the Champions League then?

SPEAKER_01 14:59

If you think they're gonna win the league, do you think they're gonna go find the Champions League? No, I mean they might get to the final, but they've got no chance against this is being recorded the same day they're playing against Sporting Lisbon in the second leg, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

All honesty.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

They'll be alright tonight, I think, but there's no way they beat a PSG by Munich or Ramadan in the final. Atletico, they've got a chance, it just depends because Atletico will be home for the first leg if Atletico blow them away.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

I think all I know is if Arsenal bottled the quadruple, then it's gonna make relegation a little bit easier.

SPEAKER_00 15:33

Well, it's not you really, it's Cole we need to ask. Cole's the guest. So Cole, that's that's your talk on Arsenal. Now let's flip on the other side of North London. Oh boy. So Tottenham have just lost to Sunderland 1-0, yeah? Now, before the weekend started, you had West Ham who put them in the relegation zone, but before that, before that game, did you would you say Tottenham still had a chance, or do you still think they've got a chance? They still had a chance then, they've still got a chance now.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

But I mean, what are you saying they're not already relegated? There's like three points set up.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

It is because a lot of people's opinions did change after the West Ham game, that's all.

SPEAKER_02 16:10

And the Sunderland game, that's that's what Yeah, but the Sunderland game, the Sunderland, did you watch the Sunderland game? It was a shit it was a shit game of football, and it was a strokey goal.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

Yeah, but that that that goal was like a fight goal. It's just it's it's like it's meant to happen, in my opinion now.

SPEAKER_02 16:24

I just think I think what I think I've said, and you can go okay, but I'll tell you what I think as a as a as a Tottenham fan, and you can tell me if you don't mean all I think when you watch us, the big problem Tottenham's got is that n that like n you know the holding number six role when you when you see a lot of the goals there's you know from the penalty from the penalty spot to the halfway line, there's like fucking gaping hole. Um Arsenal exposed it towards Ezra got a goal, and um Jochre's is to be fair, he took it really well, he did that goal really well.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

He scores against smaller things, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Through him up now the Nottingham Forest game, it was the same. Do you know what I mean? Obviously, and then again with the with Sundan's goal, he picked the ball up and he just ran into that into that he took a deflection, but he just freaked it.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

It was so freaky how he did it.

SPEAKER_02 17:19

And he saw Ben like we've got Ben Benton on it's on blog. Oh god, I was so excited because Benton Court's coming back. That says a lot about your season when you're excited for fucking Benton Court to come back. But I feel like he's experienced and he can he can do that role coming back into it. Uh Bergval and Archie Gray, I mean, I'd I like both of them, but they're not holding their feelings.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

It's gotta get back up to fitness as well, though, Benton Court. I mean, you don't really want to chuck him in the R S end and do it because I'm just about to say, your injury list isn't really the best this year, so whoever seems to be getting your players back fit ain't doing a fucking good job. Have you seen the thing? Look at Kudas, mate. You said to me the other day, Kudus is back, Kudas is out again. Injured, yeah, no.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

I thought that would be a pick me up for him because he's at one of our he was our best player. But um, I've seen a thing as well. Do you know that Kulovetsky's been injured for longer than Christian Ericsson Christian Harrison was Christian Harrison died and came back before Kulavetsky? And it was like Kulavetsky's little knee problem, yeah. And James Madison. Well, James Madison tore his AC out, you can't. That's just a seasonal thing, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Yeah, I think the issue with Tottenham moment is that it's technically out of their hands right now. I think obviously Leeds were not old Trafford, that's the you know favours. Leeds have got two favourable fixtures coming up. West Hammer. West Hammer. Have we got to play? You've got to play Leeds, yeah. But you're gonna meet a point where Leeds probably on 40 points were then. Yeah. And then it's like they could afford to drop. I think the next two games as well are crucial. So next game is Brighton, it's the Zerbi against his old club. Yeah. You've got to think, yeah, so Deserby went into the moment. When the Zerbi went into Brighton, he didn't win his first six games. Yeah, but he hasn't really had good start to be worth it. You don't have that time. Another thing about the Zerbi, yeah, you'd typically hire him for a style of play. You wouldn't hire him for a relegation scrap. Nah. And right now, you who cares about the style of football? Focus that next season. If you stay up, then you can think about the fans can say I would have a nice project. Well, Sean Dorsh was on the So that's why I worry about the appointment because can he have the instant impact?

SPEAKER_02 19:11

Especially when all his pla half his players are injured who he'd probably want to play. The problem is with what I was from what I was seeing was they were the conversation of Sean Dorsh and people like that were in it, but he's turning around and going, I don't want to come in for six. You want you want me? I want an eight. I think Sean Dorsh apparently was saying eight rumours. I don't know what true, but apparently he was saying I'll do it, but I want an 18-month contract. Getting somebody in that can turn it around and saying, Listen, we've got we like the idea of Poch again, the Zerbi is free as well. We like him. He wants to come in, so we just need you to save us and then we're gonna fuck you off.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

See, that's what I thought you would that's the plan what was gonna happen. I thought you were gonna get someone short. Yeah, but no, and then get passed.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

Yeah, but this is the argument, this is what I'm saying to you. What manager's gonna turn around and go, Yeah, I'll do that. They're gonna go, no, I wanna well, yeah. They're gonna go, no, I want to stay. I want like I said, Dodge was saying I want an 18-month contract.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Yeah, it's I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

I think tomorrow's a big day for you, because Forest are playing Porto. If Forest go through there during the semi-finals of Europe. Well, this is the same thing I'm hoping with Lee. So, well me and Lee's is just the FA Cup there, they're already gonna have played their two league games before these anyway. I think that maybe but I do think with Forest, like that's probably the best chance in terms of Tottenham overlapping someone, it would be Forrest.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

No, because I have this theory that I've said to him, uh any team they're in and around the relegation scrap, when they're in a major competition towards the final, they always go down. Wigan, Birmingham, Birmingham, Portsmouth, Portsmouth. All these teams that have got to when they've got to the final, they've gone down. Uh Watford, did Watford when they got dick 5-0 by Man City in the final, did they go down to the No I don't think they did.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

I think they stayed up. I think they stayed up because Troy Daney went to the Emirates and they beat him at uh Arsenal's ground and he said I'm not that old, you cheeky bastard on the last game of the season. Remember. But yeah, so I think that I don't think it was long after that.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

I think that yeah, I think that so in my head I'm thinking hopefully that theory carries over.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

I guess so. I just think Leeds, that win they got on Monday, I think that's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

That is that's about to say that West Ham winning, Leeds winning, Forest drawing, you losing. I think this week the weekends just gone was such a fucking calamity for ya. And I think your run of fixtures are a lot harder than most of the other teams around you. Obviously, you've got you've got like you've got Broughton who are doing well, Wolves seem to be playing fucking well. I mean Wolves are probably relegated by the point you've got. Well they ain't lost in six, they've only lost one game in six, and that was against Arsenal, and they played quite well against them as well. Um and they're fighting they want to get a European p uh place, and then you've got Wolves. Well, you should really on paper beating Wolves, but you drew with the last many goals, they drew was it two two at the start of the season or one one? It was one one, one one.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

I think it was just a thing for me was it was just it was a bit like you know, we drew with Liverpool, which I thought was a good result considering. Yeah, because you said to me after that. You thought that was the turn of it, didn't it? It was a well it was that and then we played Atletico Madrid. I know they rested one or two players, but it was still a good I thought it I thought it was a good performance from us. And then you know you think and then we're going into Nottingham Forest and it was like right there's this there's this buzz now and that everybody was raring for it. We had like a uh a a parade. I would have fans. But I think it was more let's just get beyond them, and I think the momentum was there at home. Everything was just it was just it was a good feeling, and then yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

It's gone down like a fucking. Well I think that's the problem.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

You lost a heads to heads, you lost to West Ham at home.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

But what I think is the teams that are down there you can't compare against Arsenal bottling the quadruple and then England win the World Cup, and I won't care, will I?

SPEAKER_01 22:40

Yeah. Okay, I don't want you to name who will get relegated, however, how many points do you think that team in 18th will end up on? Do you know what? What's what do you want now? 39.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

When it used to be within the it used to be 30 points. Do you remember years ago?

SPEAKER_00 22:57

No, sorry, yeah, 30 points. I'm thinking 32, I think right now. Leeds are on 36, and Leeds are on 36.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

I don't know about that. West Ham 33, Forest 36. So we're about 30, 31. Do you remember was am I remember misremembering this? Or like so when Blackpool, I'm thinking round about then when they were in the Premier League, wasn't it a thing like 30 points when you were safe? Was it 30? 40 years. Was it 40? 40 is usually managed. No, I know it's gone up, but I in my head up for the 30.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

Yeah, because West Brom stayed up with under 40, don't they? That was the season.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

The reason why I say is because you'd think ladies next to games, they get pro they're probably gonna draw with Bournemouth and beat Wolves. That'll put them on 40 points. Usually that'll be safe, but now I'm thinking could it be safe? Did West Ham win the next three?

SPEAKER_02 23:36

Forrest win the next three, you win the next three, but all of a sudden, there's this thing right, and it's I think it's it's it always happens, I suppose, with Tottenham. It's like Tottenham with that team that even though no one's got a reason to hate them, they hate them. Do you know what I mean? The Premier League.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

I mean, it it's obviously this is the thing, yeah, it's it's been banned for up to now, hasn't it? In terms of oh, yeah, I suppose it's gonna get relegated. No, but I mean it's but now it's genuinely like a reality that is.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

No, it is it is a reality, but what I'm saying is like there's this thing of everyone going, Well, wow, that's it now. Leeds have won a game, and Nottingham and Forest have won a game, and West Ham won a game, that's it. Use a fuck now because they've got so much momentum. Whereas before, you'd just be thinking, like, you wouldn't normally think that. In the previous seasons, you wouldn't be sitting there thinking, oh, they've all won one game, that's it now. They're fucking they're all gonna keep winning games. I think Tottenham are gonna keep losing games. I think what makes it more real.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Well I think performance matters, like West Ham's performance recently has been really good. Leeds' performance, especially against circle bigger teams, have been really good.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

I haven't won a game in the Premier League this year. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 24:31

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, I'm not arguing that, but what I'm saying is it's more of because Tottenham um because we're in there, it's a thing of right everyone else is doing it so fantastic now, and they're all gonna keep running away, and we're just gonna get further and further and further. If Ipswich won a game last season, you wouldn't have gone, oh fuck Ipswich are on a run now. You'd be thinking Ipswich have got a one yeah, they've won a game, okay. Do you know what I mean? Like if Burnley win if Burnley, if Burnley win at the weekend, you're not gonna think fuck that's it now, Burnley have on a role, they're playing really well.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

You wouldn't no I get that, but I think it's more the consistency of the performance.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

Nottingham Forest, Nottingham Forest. If you look at the performance. They spanked us, right, and then they got a draw, and it's like Nottingham Forest are running away with it. No, they're not, they're still shit. No, but West Ham, I'll give it West Ham, because West Ham do West Ham are performing.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Just after Christmas, when Wolf started picking up a couple of results, like that it started after the Manu draw. Yeah. People were actually talking about Wolf's doing up. Yeah, yeah. They was. No, people were no, no, because I couldn't do that. No, they were, but there was another one. They just showed a bit of fight, that's what it comes to. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

So you see that, and then you assume I had this conversation with you. I said when you look at the fixtures they've got left, you know, you think maybe, but no, they were down, they were down no more.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

I'm not saying no personally, but I'm on about basically looked at I'm just going off what you said. But people when they have them.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

I think even just from um what's the manager Edwards? Yeah from his Robert, so from his point of view, that would have been what he wanted to see. He doesn't he probably thought going in, we're already relegated, we're gonna get relegated, but mm as long as his team are fighting for him and playing for him, then that's probably the main thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think because he's a West because he's a Wolves boy as well.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

Imagine taking him and saving him, it's fucking he's done remarkable.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

To be fair, I mean obviously you look at Borough now, obviously Borough's full off a bit, aren't they? But it would have been in Bruh going up and then Wolves going down, but now it's like he's I think he made the right decision regardless, because then they're close to the team as well, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 26:28

Yeah, that's it, boy club.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Yeah, but speaking obviously showing fight, I think this is what we've seen so far from West Ham recently. The show in fight, we've seen it from Leeds showing fight. I think we get to see it from Tottenham to be honest. It still could be coming, you never know. I think it only takes one or two games. Like let's say Tottenham win the next two games, it all of a sudden looks very different, doesn't it? But same way they could draw the next two games, and if West Ham leads Forest all win, then it's like oh shit. Well that's the problem, innit?

SPEAKER_00 26:52

He's got a fucking job on his hands.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

That's the problem, innit? Because like I said to you, what's been happening is that we get a point and then everyone else gets a point. We lose, they all lose. This is just this is again, this has been the first this has been the first time that I can remember where it's been a case of we lose and everyone else wins. And this is what I'm gonna say. We lose, we lose, we lose, everyone else wins, and everyone's like, right, Tottenham fucked it now, they've got to run away with it. No, they're not, no, they're not, they're still gonna lose. Nottingham Forest we're shit, we are the worst team in the league. Easy. But Nottingham Forest is still shit. West Ham, I still think they'll drop a lot of points because they're just they just yeah. And then Leeds, I'm hoping drop points.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

I think Leeds has I think Leeds are pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

I'm hoping like I'm hoping it's the same what you're saying about Nottingham Forest in the Europa League.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

I think the highest points a team had in terms of getting relegated, I think West Ham can only got 42 points and then got relegated. I'm not sure. Yeah, so they've got 42 points, they got relegated. I think that's the highest it's been. So that's why I talk about Leeds. If they get to that 40 points, is that gonna mean enough?

SPEAKER_02 27:57

But if you're if you're that fat cunt and your team's in a um Maranakis, and you're I was what I'm thinking, is equal to the and you're and you're in the and they get they're in the semi-final against Porto, what are you prioritizing? Because you can't do both. Realistically, you can't do both. You can't be in a relegation scroll.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Well then then we've got Villa in the semi-final, and you just have to take it game by game, I think.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

Like yeah, but that's what I'm saying. If I'm choosing one, you'd you probably want to win it to be true. You'd want to win the cup. We did it last season, where it's like it was like this thing, weren't it, where we knew it was a big one.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

But it was the same, it was Man United and Spurs in the same position, really, weren't they? Same position in the league. No, yeah, we both knew that we weren't gonna get relegated, so it's only it's only by chance there were three terrible teams that were getting relegated, you know what I mean? So now it's almost like Spurs have rolled it up dice twice and they've just done the same again, really, aren't they?

SPEAKER_00 28:47

I was just I'm just looking at this now quickly. In the last if the state if the season was to start ten games ago, so the last ten games points were human. So you got Tottenham, bottom of the league with three, then Burnley with six, Wolves with nine, and then you got Newcastle nine, Leeds eleven, Forest eleven, and then you got West Ham all the way up in seventh with 15 points from ten games. West Ham are on a good little little charge, mate. And then the next uh I mean Burnley and Wolves were a blow, yeah. And then you've got Newcastle and even Leeds.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

Yeah, but West Ham got a play.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Yeah, I think that's important to look at the fact that the biggest thing is. That's the thing, it's all good about you say that, but West Ham are about Crystal Palace away, Everton at home, Brentford away, I don't think they beat Everton, I don't think they beat Brentford.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

I don't think I don't think they beat Everton, yeah. I don't think they beat Brentford, I don't think they beat West Ham.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

Leeds, but you would have said that about United, you wouldn't know it. You would have said that, man, United.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

Yeah, that's why you can't really predict it, but you can compare the fixtures and just because it's like Arsenal no sorry, it's like for Tottenham, Brighton is a tough game, regardless. Yeah, as well in the cup. Wolves should be an easy game, but I'm not gonna sit here and be like, oh no, it's like you got Everton last game of the season.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

I'll look we'll just go down and then it's gonna run into things. We'll go down and we'll have a good season championship and come back up.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

Would you okay, so that's the other question. So if Tottenham get relegated, do you think you'll win it? Blitz it, straight back up, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what are you not 100% confident? You put all your regs in that bag. Okay, could you I'm just gonna think it's that villa. But I think you've got to be realistic and say half to three seasons.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

But I think Tottenham Tottenham in the championship is a draw. Do you know what I mean? Like, who's not gonna want to play for Tottenham in the Championship? Also other than teams that can play in the case.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

We can understand.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

Would you rather play for Tottenham in the Championship?

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Yeah, I get that, you got that pull, you have that magnet to put it. But then are you signing Premier League caliber players, championship calibre players?

SPEAKER_02 30:36

Like, I think we can you can hard that nice. Every team.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

That's not sustainable.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

No, but uh well this is the term. Apparently, because it's Levy, all of our other than Conig Allagar, all of our transfers and contracts were done on the Levy. And apparently I've seen this thing, and it's like Romero's on 195. If we get relegated, he drops down's like 80 grand. Oh is it? Okay. So everybody's drops down.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

I think he's gone anyway. It goes electricity.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

And I think the we're still still at the stadium. Yeah. And the thing is, and the thing is that keeps us going, which is no, we've got to be. The NFL games as well. NFL games. Beyonce's not going to want to not perform at Tottenham Stadium just because we're in the championship. Tottenham Fury's not going to want to box in Tottenham Stadium because we're in the championship. No, it's not. So and that'll count that but that'll but that all counts towards the.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

That gives Blues hope then when we've got that stadium.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

But that'll but that'll but that counts towards our revenue, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 31:24

That's what it's part of our game. Apart from the money side of things, though, what you just said that you think you'll go back up, don't you think that teams will go there treating it as a cup final game? So it's like a stage forum, innit? So they know Tottenham are gonna be on TV pretty much every fucking game.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Don't get me wrong, we've got teams are gonna be going there giving it all they've fucking got. But you've got a lot of you've got a lot of games. You've got a lot, if we get relegated, you've got a lot of players that are, I don't think, won't go. So you've got Dan, I don't think Danso leaves.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Arch Grey won't leave. Arch Grey won't leave. I don't know. Bergval. You've got a chance of keeping all of the younger players, but anyone that wants to genuinely. Spence will go.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

I think you're back for go. If I think it depends, like you've got to look at Juventus when they had their punch thing right. But Buffon stayed, so if you believe in the project and you believe that But most of them left. If you because you could you you'd be able to negotiate on your contract, right? I'll stay, drop my waves down, and then if it's not too much too much of a dip, someone like Spence is probably gonna lose, let's say 15 grand a week.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

He'll he ain't staying.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

But no, but I'm just saying as an example, and you believe in the project, and you go, right, we'll go down and just come straight back up. They're all leaving, let's be honest, they're all money on green.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

I think they're I think most of the person will win leaving. Yeah, I think you've got a better chance of just starting to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

They'd be somewhere there's just got on loan for the uh, is it but is it a case of because of how badly they've been performing, who's gonna like you assume that they'll want to leave, but people have got one point. I think to think people look at it with a discount.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

Like Van der Ven, for example, someone's still gonna want him, no matter how bad he's gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

It'll still go to Locks of Barcelona or something like that, I can say 100%. They're looking at the club as a whole as a poison chalice, not the players.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

I think the Amberg lad that Amberg lad the Duke of it. He'll come he'll come back. Nah, I think you'd have to loan him out again. No chance.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

I'll put I'll put money on that, he'll be loaned out again, or they'll sell him.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

No, because he wants he said he wants to come back to Tottenham.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

He doesn't want to play in the championship.

SPEAKER_01 33:09

I think you'd be lucky to keep Archie Grey. You probably have to give him the captain's armband. To let him stand. Yeah, just to let the standard. And a lot, I mean you have to promise the cave if we don't go up, then you can leave. And then that's yeah, look, you don't even you'll have Kinski and goal because it's Vicario.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Listen, no, Viccario's leaving anyway. So, you know, there's there are you imagine they're having these bruv, it's not looking good. I'm gutted that Vicario's leaving. I'm on about as a whole or those. But they'll be having I imagine they're having these conversations anyway. I mean, and they're saying, look, this is what's gonna happen, and some of them are going, look, we'll stay, we'll go like you gotta be realistic in this.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

But do you think there's a notion now then where there's some of them players where they're thinking, Oh, if we stay up, I've got to stay at Tottenham.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

No, because I I think what Because let's face it, if you get relegated, they know they get they go on a level. From a fan's point of view, I think that um in your head, you think right say up, and then get just get rid of the dead wood anyway. The ones that have you know the ones that have through because you can tell that half of them are scared to be in a team that to be a relegated Premier League football.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

Because I feel like they're in a position where they didn't expect that.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

Exactly. So they're scared, and the other half are through in the towel. So I think the ones that are through in the towel, Van der Ven, uh don't get me wrong, fantastic footballer, but I don't you don't want to be there. So I'm all I'm always I'm one of the people of the opinion with any football club, not just Tottenham. If you don't want to be in a football club, don't be in a football club. Because you're not gonna play well. No, you can't.

SPEAKER_00 34:29

Can I just ask you who who you think will go and who you think will stay? I'm not gonna name the whole fucking Tottenham squad. I'm just going off the Vicario goes, Oro goes, Romero goes, Van der Ven goes. I'm just you say you say stay or go, yeah? So Solanke. Do you think you'll stay or do you think you'll go?

SPEAKER_02 34:45

I don't know if he's done championship.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

I think he'll go. Yeah, I think he'll go. Richardson. There you go. Bergvale. Well, Codemion's on loan, so that don't count. Gonna Gallaga. Archie Gray, I don't think he'll stay. U Doggy, you go, Van De Ven. Romero, Porro, Kinski, Polino's on loan, Chapisar. Tao. I think you might stay. Probably stay. Danso, stay. Simmons, Megan. Gone. Okay, so out of all them, you can't.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

And then you've got Old Odeper who's injured. I reckon he's staying, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Madison or just all the young players, there's a good chance keeping the young players, I think. Kulavetsky depends on what's wrong with Kulaveski because he can't even fucking run at the moment. Yeah, exactly. So Kulavetsky is a good thing. He might be stuck.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

And then you've got about four or four of players, not even that, out of the whole team. That's the thing. But then you've got to rebuild, man. That's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

The thing is, again, right, again, so look at Villa when Villa got relegated or three seasons it took Villa to get back up. I'm not on about that. Villa when they got relegated, Newcastle when they got relegated, they didn't, all of their players didn't just fuck off. They still had a lot of their players there. It's not as easy as going, right, well, I want to go. Well, you can go if someone wants you. A lot of their players didn't get the game. Madison will just be coming back from an ACL. Tottenham aren't known as a team that's going to let you say, oh, they get over bargain price. They're not going to turn over and go, right, because we've been relegated, you can have Madison for 4 mil. It doesn't work like that. Madison's just come back from an ACL. He might not be able to do that. You've got the money to support the wages as well. But it's all financial fair players, well, you've got to keep it. Yeah, but we've got that with the all the everything that goes on at the stadium. And also, with the fact that we're losing so much, it might be a case of going, Madison, you know, Madison's wage drops from 150, let's say, I don't know how much he's on, but his wage drops from 150 to 70k, which is doable. And it might be a case of.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

But even that's a bit of an injustice because he hasn't even played this season. He's not the one that got relegated.

SPEAKER_02 36:41

I'm just using him as an example. Dominic Solanke, let's say he's on 100k, and if we get relegated, he drops down to 60k. And someone comes in and goes, We'll give you 7 million for him. Well no, he's under contract. We don't have to sell him. You don't meet our valuation, then no.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

That that won't be a problem though, because the player might want the leave if he's being offered more money elsewhere and he's being told no. Is he going to want to go out and play for the shirt? Especially afterwards, I don't think they signed to play for Tottenham. You've got to relegate the mental sword of the player.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Yeah, exactly. Understandably, yeah. But at the same time, if he's walking around, he's just kicking out and you you still gotta make yourself appealing.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Look at Isap, mate. He wanted to push the shortcut.

SPEAKER_02 37:15

You've got to make yourself appealing, haven't you? You've got to make it a lot of money.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

And I don't think there's it wouldn't be a case of something goes for seven mil, but maybe it goes for 25 mil.

SPEAKER_02 37:22

But yeah, but my point I'm trying to make is players will go understandably, because there'll be players that can get a lot of money. Van der Venn, like you say, will get a lot of money. Christian Ramiro probably pull in uh Athletica will probably pay like a 30 million for him, but could pull money in. What I'm saying is I don't think Tottenham will be in a position where we'll go, oh, I've been relegated to be fair, fuck. Yeah, you could you yeah, what do you want, Bergwald for two mil? Well, got no choice.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

Yeah, no, and I don't think that would I don't necessarily think that's the case either.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

And the fact that because the salary drops, it's not a lot of Leicester when Leicester had to carry on playing all their players because they didn't have that. From what I'm aware, I don't know how Conor Gallagher fits in because he's the only one, but Levy's savvy, anyway he's hundred per he's 100% said we get relegated, this is what's gonna because when he signed all these players, Romero, Van der Vent, it was never a possibility. So people will be going, yeah, I'll sign that, yeah, yeah, not a problem. And then it's like that's fuck.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

Yeah, yeah, no, that's true. You'd think that's gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

It's probably why they're scared because they're all gonna get all the wages cut in half.

SPEAKER_00 38:15

Yeah. I do think a lot of them haven't got the heart, and that's that's the problem with why they are where they are now, because it's like, do you know what, fuck it?

SPEAKER_02 38:24

I can just go, I'll just play out and I think I could I could be naive in thinking this, but I'd you know I think there'll be a lot of players that are like mid to low Premier League that would still play for a hundred percent championship.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

100%. Yeah, no, definitely, no, definitely they would.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

I'm not saying we're pulling in, you know, Champions League players, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:42

No, but you'll have you.

SPEAKER_02 38:43

And if you do have if you invest wise.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

But okay, so let's say Tottenham get relegated and then they do obviously then end up having a good enough squad to then get promoted again. It's like how do you see it then coming back into the Premier? Because it's hard as then say you come back to the General League. You've got a good championship squad then and then just again be Tottenham, do you know what I mean? Who shouldn't be a top 16 who don't want to be stage? It's hard to see them turn into that. Like it would be a case of then maybe then they're a mid-table team and then they'd go for European places. That's a long process, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 39:13

I think but the thing is again with drawing on Aston Villa and Newcastle, yeah. You know, these are because the size of the club, you can when you're in the Premier League, uh, as a Newcastle and Villa and as a uh Tottenham, you can draw in because you you're still that big club, so players do want to play for these big clubs, yeah. Opposed to if Blackpool get promoted, you're Blackpool. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 39:35

Yeah, I mean it's something that's culture though, I think.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

I don't think Cov are gonna pull in loads of massive names on the city.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

Yeah, I don't think I'll get Madison. Yeah, I could potentially get Madison alone. That would work, wouldn't it? I can see that makes sense to all part of it.

SPEAKER_00 39:47

Massive fan. I can actually definitely see that happening. If that guy, if if you was to go down, I genuinely would see that. Because don't forget, after these players as well, they're gonna want to play international football. Well that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

They're gonna look at him, are they?

SPEAKER_02 40:06

100%, but I think that he's good with Tottenham. I don't know how it works now, Levy's not there, I don't know how savvy this new geezer is. But you know, we're not in it the Tottenham have never been known to be a selling club, are they? Look at Moderick, look at Bale, all these big signs that have gone, it's been on our terms, Kane. It was been on and it you know, it doesn't work like that. So I think that it a lot of players will go, the ones that will pull, but like you say, your your Bergvals, your Greys, Solankis, uh, you know, all these players that aren't necessarily gonna pull a big club that are gonna come and pay big money for them. Yeah, but you know what I mean? If if if like you say, if a fucking, I don't know, let's say a Crystal Palace come in and go, We'll give you 30 million for Solanke, and 30 million is not at your valuation, it's miles off it, then you're gonna turn around and go, Well, no, we don't need to, because his wage gets cut by half. So we're only gonna have to pay him 30k a week and we can easily afford that.

SPEAKER_00 40:56

Yeah, it'd be hard to try and justify paying that for a payer who's just got really good.

SPEAKER_02 41:01

And you've got to play and like you say, uh are they gonna play for the shirt? Well, don't play for the shirt then. And these teams, you know, if you're in a championship feeling sorry for yourself, are teams then gonna want to come in and still take that chance on you?

SPEAKER_01 41:13

Exactly. Where do you think things went wrong then this season? Because let's say last season was an absolute shit show. I think this has been in in the making because I mean it was a shit show last season, but then you'd think then you won Europa League, it's a chance for like oh, let's forget about that, let's kick on. And it just hasn't happened. I don't, I don't know. It's all it's like now let's say you stay up.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

I don't know, because we didn't we didn't start too badly under the state. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it was a lot of people. We're in the Champions League spot for a bit, and then our away our home form was terrible, but we had the best of the way record in the league. And then I think it just I always think it's because injuries, when you've got so many injuries, and it's of it's not just a case of and I don't I've always said I don't want to be that fan that's all we've got so many injuries, but when they're when they are all your first when you are all your first team players are injured, I mean Van Van Van De Ven Rem Romero um you know Pedro Porro's out then a doc uh doggy's out, you know, and Bensoncore, Richardson was out, do you know what I mean? Solanke was out, Kudas is injured, Kudovetsky's been injured, uh James Madison from the start of the season. Like at one point, I was you said to me, and I heard it that they said that Tottenham, well after Kinsey got injured in a warm-up, we could field a stronger so we could field a full first team 11 with all our injured.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

With a few subs as well.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

And it's like I think that because what it then is normally a team will have their 11, that's your 11, and that's that's it, and then you obviously you but when you haven't got a basic starting eleven because everyone's getting injured, it's getting chopped and chained. You can't I know you I know you're the same team, but do you know what I mean? It's it's I think that's I don't know how to I don't want to say that I don't want to say they don't jowl together because they're part of the same team. Yeah, but it's not a good thing. It's hard to bring a player back in as well because you've positioned.

SPEAKER_01 42:59

I mean Man United was seminar last season, they had loads of injuries and then obviously you've got like context to But Man United recruited, but then Man United recruited well, that's the difference.

SPEAKER_00 43:08

Yeah, they've done alright once they've done so. I think getting rid of Amorim was a big help for them. I don't think he had the dressing room. Definitely, obviously, after what happened with Rashford. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 43:18

Apparently as well, one of the things, I don't know how true it is, um, but apparently one of the problems was Thomas Frank was just talking about Arsenal's on. Arsenal this and Arsenal out. Oh, yeah. Look at how Arsenal are doing. And I think apparently Tottenham players were just like, mate, fuck you. Can I look about Arsenal?

SPEAKER_00 43:32

Can I ask, do you think if you sack Frank you'd be in the relegation zone? We did frack sank Frank. We did frack sack Frank and we are in the relegation zone. If you didn't, if you kept him, sorry, I thought I said if you didn't sack him with the. I know, but uh when it Tudor come in, he didn't fucking win a game. I think Frank would have at least won one or two of them. You wouldn't be in I don't think you'd be in the relegation zone. Don't get me wrong, you'd be you wouldn't be doing very well. But I don't think you'd be in this big thing. The problem is with football gonna fucking up.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

You can't be in that sort of form and then just keep going and going, Look, we'll stick it out. Something's not right. And unfortunately, you can't just sack all the players and get a new bunch of players in. So, what it what it turns out is like, look, it's not working, so we need to change direction. And the only way we can change direction is fuck you off and all your staff and get a new load in, because that's how it works. I don't think uh Deserbi's the one. I think we struggle so badly defensively, and he's such an attack.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

Tack him on director, no. But let's say he does keep you up then next season. Would you then see next season as like another restart then? And actually, maybe we can now kick on next season.

SPEAKER_02 44:38

Yeah, well you'd like to think so. I want to say yes. I'm just sitting here and say yes, but you can't. But yeah, it's just done of him. Because he's he's very much um sit back, win the ball, can't I? Yeah. And I don't I feel like with what I said to you with our midfield problem, you need that you need good holding midfield. You need good holding midfield that if that counter if that counter does fuck up, yeah, then you've got you know what I mean, you've got you you've got them there to anchor it.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

Whereas Yeah, because I think even if you stay up, I feel like they still there still need to be an overhaul.

SPEAKER_02 45:05

If you're on the ends of the squad, if you're on the counter, you're on the tack, and then there's that fucking gaping hole, and then they counter you, you're just gonna be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

That's why Arsenal have been doing so well, because they've had Royce and um Zubamendi holding back when they're going to attack, one pushing forward depending on what's wing. And I think that's why they've been boring as well, because that it's all been congested in the middle. Whereas like with Zerby, when he was at Brighton, it was very open, direct football, but you conceded a lot of goals as well, because he doesn't play with two holding midfielders normally. Do you know what I mean? So if you do stay up, I think you'll have to fucking invest a lot of money in some good fucking defenders.

SPEAKER_02 45:45

Well, I think that you you you saddle, like I say, you just you settle Ribeiro, you settle Van der Vern. So there you go, there's money from them two straight away. You know, just reinvest in that. Yeah, they're gonna come in and I don't I don't mind Danzo, he's don't get me wrong, he's not fantastic, but he's okay, and he wants he he seems like he wants to play. Do you know what I mean? He's not one of these players that are throwing the towel in. He does seem like he wants to he wants to give it a go, which is what you want. In a relegation guy, you want to see your players like going for it, wanting to give it a go, wanting to win games. Yeah. So when you're watching them and they just look like it's like, oh my god, just fucking pull your finger out. Yeah, I get that. I don't understand what what's what I don't understand what Conor Gallagher's doing. What he's just is he just existing?

SPEAKER_00 46:30

I think I feel sorry for him because he weren't match fit at Atletico. They've come out and they've stuck him on the wing, they've played him in the midfield in a completely different position to what he normally is, and now he's being made a scapegoat because he was meant to be the one who bought in, give him a lot of money.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

He's not a scadgo, I don't think of that. But what I mean is 100% I don't understand why he's buying the wing. But the game against Sunderland, he wasn't on the wing, he was in in the midfield in that sort of slightly more attacking position, which is his position, isn't it? Yeah, and it was just like it was I know fairness.

SPEAKER_00 47:02

Was he even on the pitch? In all fairness to Kyano Gallagher, I don't I know he's played for England, whatnot, but he was playing for West Brom and Palace, and he was looking good because to be fair, he's a good player, but when he went to Chelsea, you can see why they got rid of him and they were happy enough to let him go, and and no other Premier League club was really clawing at the chance to get him. I don't think he's as good as what people make out to for him to be.

SPEAKER_02 47:24

No, I know, but you still expect something, don't you?

SPEAKER_00 47:27

Well, yeah, 100% when you're paying that money, you you expect a lot. It's always the players that you pay a lot of money for that always seem to fuck up. Do you know what I mean? Look at Anthony when he went to Man United.

SPEAKER_02 47:36

And the thing is, I'm pointing in because I've I've pointed uh the fingers at players. I spoke to you about it. This is the one that well, he's just the new one, isn't he? He's back from injury. He's someone new to point my finger at him and say, fucking you're not doing good enough.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

Just to wrap this up, what who do you think's gonna be in the bottom three? So I think Wolves is gone. Obviously Wolves are gone, Burnley are gone.

SPEAKER_01 47:59

It's so hard to call, man. I think based on the fixtures that I left in terms of obviously head-to-heads, it it it is dependent on obviously foresting with Europroduce. Just say Tottenham and I've got uh one with the uh FA Cup. Um dependent on calling. Well I think based on momentum, based on recent form, I think currently it is gonna be Tottenham, isn't it? And it's I feel like this is the first time you can realistically say it. I think before this week this weekend, yeah. After before this week, you could not say realistically Tottenham were going down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was hard to believe, but I feel like it's the first time it seemed real. I believe it. I think the first time they believe it as a club. Maybe the fact that they believe it now as a club might be what it takes to get out of it. Because previously they're probably thinking, well, we're too big to go down, it's not gonna happen. But now you're in a position where oh shit, actually it might happen.

SPEAKER_02 48:48

That could be enough, but I think it's Tottenham might Tottenham. I mean, I know obviously we've seen a bit of well, I say success, but we've been top six club and all that nonsense. But prior to that, I mean you're prior to Harry Redknapp coming, Tottenham were weren't exactly like a top of the table European club. No, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:07

But the expectation is that now though, isn't it? It is, of course it is. And I think that's the problem. Like even next season, let's say if you stay up next season, you've gonna be thinking, oh, we can get Europe.

SPEAKER_02 49:14

I'm just clutching the straws.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

Who do you think's bottom three?

SPEAKER_02 49:18

I thought um prior to the way prior to the game on Monday, I did think it might have been Leeds, you know. I did. Um I'm not gonna say I as a fan, I can't all sort of fans are gonna sit there and say, Oh, I think we'll go down. An honest one. I'm not gonna say it though, but um so I think obviously Wolves Burnley, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

With what tell me with your heart and then tell me with your head. What's your heart and your head say?

SPEAKER_02 49:46

Listen what I want West Ham to go down, yeah. But then obviously now I'd say like saying Nottingham Forest, I think that they'll probably probably with Europa if they carry on going well in Europa, then it is about to the factor of games and how many they've got to play.

SPEAKER_00 50:04

I personally think it's obviously Wolves Burnley. I I I'd I genuinely only because of this weekend and watching the Leeds, I do think Tottenham are gone now.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

Well I think whoever goes down, they're gonna get a minimum of 40 points, I think. Yeah. If if if and that's if Tottenham are gonna be fighting, if they do fight, they're gonna reach 40 points, but is that gonna be enough? Is it too late? And the beefing is the head to heads, particularly the one against Leeds, for example. Obviously, West Ham is West Ham playing Leeds.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

Yeah, we've got Leeds. That's the thing with Leeds the thing with Leeds is they've got teams in the relegation battle.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

But the thing is as well, they've got players that know how to get out of a relegation battle as well. That mentality, and that can come so fucking good to a team, you know, that have been there before and they believe that they've done it and they've got out of it. Whereas Tottenham haven't had that ever, where they've like fucking door straight to that. And they've got managers like Bielsa, not Bielsa, um Farquai, who's obviously been with Norwich, he knows how it goes and he would learn his lessons. So the only thing is.

SPEAKER_02 51:05

I've just got both these two teams. That's what teams got winning games at the bottom of the season.

SPEAKER_01 51:10

That last game of the season is Leeds against West Ham, yeah. West Ham home to Leeds. Yeah, and then you got Everton and Everton against Tottenham. I don't know who's gonna be.

SPEAKER_02 51:19

The thing is, it I know it it's easier said than done, but it only takes two wins to change everything. Yeah, it does. I mean it really does.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

Just not Leeds now. Leeds have three last two games now that have.

SPEAKER_02 51:30

Well I said they're already three points ahead of us, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 51:32

So that was it, everybody was in around it. So I mean, look at January, start of January, you were 12 points ahead of us that.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

But this is but this is the thing with with the relegation scrap, a lot with teams in the relegation, is that everyone's looking at it like everyone's gonna keep everyone's gonna keep winning points, and that's not necessarily the case. But Leeds might lose the next three games, West Ham might lose the next three games, we might lose the next three, you know, everyone might lose the next three games.

SPEAKER_01 51:56

It's easy to look at fixtures and go, oh yeah, we win that. We draw that we're gonna go. But you've got to play them, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 52:01

So I shouldn't in any competition. I mean, look at last night, Portsmouth beat second place Ipswich. When you're down there, you've got more fight to stay up than you have to go up. I always stick with that. You're always blackburn, but I think all the topics. All I see teams around the bottom.

SPEAKER_02 52:18

Yeah, but the thing is they're not fighting for me, but it's not the Southampton's record as well. The problem is the thing is like West Ham, West Ham have got teams that um are in and around Europe that want Europe, Brentford will want Europe, Everton will want Europe.

SPEAKER_00 52:33

I think that's more of a banana scheme for them.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

And with with the getting the extra Champions League space, that drops down an extra, you know what I mean? So I think that's an extra I think it's a banana scene. But that's what that's what I'm saying, but that's the game. Brentford and an Everton getting into Europe is especially Brentford. Do you know what I mean? That's I think a bit West Ham in that game.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

In fact, I've looked at the fixtures, and I think comparing the fixtures to what I can only assume if teams are going to win or not. And I don't think based on that, that's why I say Tottenham, because I don't know if they do pick up enough points compared to the other teams.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

I don't know if I know I don't I know we haven't. Um I don't think we have anyway. I don't know about the other teams, but I don't think we've got anybody I don't think they've got um there's no Man City's or Liverpool's or Arsenal's. I think West Ham have got Arsenal, haven't they?

SPEAKER_00 53:15

Yeah, they've got Arsenal.

SPEAKER_02 53:15

So other than West Ham and Arsenal, I don't I'm not I don't know, I can't I obviously the fixture that well, but I don't think they've got teams in and you know like it's like you say Portsmouth, Ipswich sort of that sort of distance.

SPEAKER_00 53:26

Yeah, you haven't got anyone in the top of the year.

SPEAKER_02 53:28

You've got you yes, and you've got like you say, you've got you've got Brentford, like I say, if you come against Brentford, Brentford are gonna run and win because they're gonna want to push for Europe. Everton's gonna run and push for Europe.

SPEAKER_00 53:37

All these are you've got Aston Villa and Chelsea.

SPEAKER_02 53:40

Who we have?

SPEAKER_00 53:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

I'm doing it. I'm not I'm not Chelsea won. I'm not openly worried about Chelsea. Are you not? No, they're so bad.

SPEAKER_01 53:51

History towers that if you're not.

SPEAKER_02 53:53

When if Tottenham has to win away to Chelsea, but uh yeah, but but I think it's just I think it's him as a manager. Yeah, I just feel like it's yeah, you go there and like that's come on. But that's but that's but that's the same as history, yeah. History says that. But you look at Arsenal and Tottenham and and that's probably similar to the top.

SPEAKER_00 54:08

That's almost 2018 when Charles when they lost 3-1 to Tottenham.

SPEAKER_02 54:12

I think if I think if I think with us, if we can get a win or two, that will you know it will it will hopefully give us a bit of a game. It's gotta take a game at time, ain't you? That's it.

SPEAKER_00 54:20

You know what we're saying is now you might end up losing to Broughton Wolves, but end up beating Villa and going on a mad run. Yeah, yeah. It's mad, and in the last few games we end up winning. You don't you don't know. It's been one weird fucking season, that bottom half. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

Yeah, like next week it will be a different conversation anyway. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And then a week after the same, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:39

All I know is, mate, that if we uh get relegated, then two halves is what it's gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 54:44

No, it'll just be a championship, it'll be a championship, championship podcast for a bit. And think of all the games you can go to. There's so many clubs in the Midlands that are in championship. Yeah, he blues around the corner, you can come watch us in the boatman with Middle East. Brom might stay up.

SPEAKER_02 54:59

Yeah, it'll be no Westham West Brom are getting a point deduction, they're gonna happen in the season, no way.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

But yeah, look at what the away days to do that. There's a yeah, you've got Stoke up the road as well. We'll see. We'll see.