Finding Faith Beyond the Pulpit: Rubi Green's Journey

What happens when the expectations of being a pastor's kid collide with your authentic self? Rubi Green, daughter of legendary pastor Al Green, joins us for a soul-stirring conversation about finding her own voice while honoring her spiritual heritage.

Rubi opens up about the unique pressures of growing up in the spotlight of church leadership. Unlike many assumptions, she wasn't born into her father's R&B "Love and Happiness" era, but rather into an established ministry where expectations were already set. With disarming honesty, she shares how the constant awareness of being watched shaped her decisions and how she eventually broke free to pursue her own calling without abandoning her faith foundations.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn as Rubi reveals her journey into music—a path that initially didn't interest her despite her family legacy. She describes the moment she realized traditional R&B didn't feel authentic to her spirit, leading her to create gospel music with a distinct West Coast vibe that breaks the mold of traditional church sounds. Her approach merges meaningful spiritual messages with tracks that make you want to dance—proving that faith-based music doesn't have to fit in a single box.

Perhaps most moving is Rubi's candid discussion about her path to motherhood. After a decade of marriage to her creative partner Dammo (of 1500 or Nothin'), she faced fertility challenges that doctors claimed were insurmountable. Ruby shares how stepping away from social media distractions and deepening her spiritual practice led to her miracle pregnancy, offering hope to anyone facing seemingly impossible circumstances.

Whether you're navigating faith transitions, pursuing creative callings, or simply trying to find authentic connection in a world of expectations, Rubi's wisdom will resonate. Her powerful closing advice—"Don't let church people get in your head" and "Keep praying, stay focused"—serves as a perfect reminder that your journey is uniquely yours, guided by something greater than others' opinions.

Download, subscribe, and join the conversation with us on social media by following @theepkpod. Your story matters, and this community is here to remind you that authenticity and faith can beautifully coexist.

Transcript

Welcome to the PK Pod with Ruby Green

Speaker 1 0:09

Hey friends , welcome back to another episode of the PK pod , where we all have platforms , but they may not be the pulpit . Hello , somebody Listen ? Today is going to be another good one , why ? Because we are going to have girl talk in the sanctuary . Literally . I'm super excited for this conversation with this amazing , phenomenal human being that I get to introduce right now . Y'all , she is a singer , she is a wife , she is a mother , she is a comedian , she is literally that girl fashionista , she is all of the things , and she is here with us on VPK Pod . I want y'all to make some noise . Put it in the chat for the one and only Ruby .

Speaker 2 1:03

Green y'all . Oh , my goodness , the intro . Do you like it ?

Speaker 1 1:06

I loved it . Okay , good , ruby Green y'all . Oh my goodness , the intro .

Speaker 2 1:08

I love that . Okay , good , okay , thank you for all of that .

Speaker 1 1:09

I wanted you to feel welcome . No , I do thank you , because we're super excited to have you . I'm glad to be here .

Speaker 1 1:15

Oh my goodness , so much to discuss let's get into it thank you for agreeing , of course , to be a part of this . Yeah , so we got to take them back . Okay , we got to , because , baby , you look 21 . You know that you got a little , you got some years in this thing . Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , ain't 21 . For those who do not know , you are literally the daughter of the legendary Al Greene , like , which is major who is still pastoring , yeah , which is like even more phenomenal 79 . 79 . Still pastoring , still pastoring , preaching , doing his thing , singing , singing , yeah , okay , so take us back . When did you start this journey of , like , pastor kill ? Was it like you were born into it ? Was it a thing of , like , okay , middle of your father's career ? I think I'm going to now start , start pastoring , like . Navigate us through that journey .

Speaker 2 2:08

Well , no , my dad was a see . People think that

Growing Up as a Pastor's Kid

Speaker 2 2:13

like it was the love and happiness vibe . No , I was born into church like my father was already saved , he's already preaching , okay , and my parents were married and I was born into the whole church thing .

Speaker 1 2:23

Yeah you can't just join in . You got to be born in . Come on somebody , born again yeah .

Speaker 2 2:29

So no , I came into it in church , I came into it as a pastor's kid . So then my parents , they split up after so long , but my mother is deep into it , Okay . So I was in church my whole life . It wasn't like , oh , we were , you know the whole R&B vibe and then we no , it wasn't that , we were always . And my dad is super duper into like quartet and like gospel . He has gospel background too . My mother , my grandfather , is a pastor .

Speaker 1 2:57

So it's just in the family , this is just what we do , yeah , so it's just been my whole life . Wow , okay . So what was that experience like ? Like growing up in church culture , being a preacher's kids , like did you feel like there was a difference ? Did you feel like there was pressure to be a certain way ?

Speaker 2 3:16

Yeah , yeah , you know yeah . Period the end .

Speaker 1 3:21

Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2 3:22

Because you know how like I mean me personally I never really wanted to do anything crazy , like I was just like whatever , and I did really want to make my parents happy , like my sisters . My sisters , yeah , we'd be happy to get down there too , but like , for example , not to put nobody in business . But everybody knows , but my sister got pregnant , like at 15 . You know , and it was . It was like now , thinking back on it , like me and my younger sister was like how could you do that to mommy and daddy ? But it's like this girl life would have changed forever and that's all you think about . You know , as a pastor's kid , you think about the image , or pleasing everybody , and what is everybody going to say ? How's everybody going to look at you or whatever the case . And I don't know , know , I don't know what that is , because everybody always looking at you . Yeah , so you always move , like I did it because I wasn't really doing nothing .

Speaker 2 4:13

But it's like even other , like not siblings or whatever . It's like mommy and daddy , you know what I'm saying , like it's just how we are , you know . You know , get it , you don't want to do too much . You know what I'm saying . You don't want to do too much . You know what I'm saying . You don't want to step outside and you are human . You make mistakes , you're growing . Your journey is different . You know what I'm saying ? It's just like everybody else's for the most part , but it's different in a way . Yeah , people don't understand that really .

Speaker 1 4:37

They don't understand it because they expect for us to be robots . They don't think that we're human beings . First , no , literally , and it's like oh no , we're human , we're sinners saved by grace , just like you Exactly . I make mistakes , you know yeah , yeah , like that's a part of the culture for us to make mistakes , exactly , you know . And so , yeah , I could totally relate to that , because you know my brother , chad .

Speaker 2 5:02

We are complete opposites .

Speaker 1 5:05

I love me some Mars , I love him damn . I mean the most bible quoting no girl on the planet for real . Okay , for real . But he decided a long time ago once my father was like where we located , he had to close his church . Down here he was like Lamar was like say less , I'm outside , what we doing , I'm touring for only mainstream artists . I don't want to be in this church culture because it was like it's too much . Where I was like , oh , okay , well , then I'll be the person to do all the things to make mommy that happy . And it's like yeah , you know what I mean . So like feeling that pressure of like wanting to please our parents . Yeah , oh , it's so heavy it is . When did you get to a point when you were like , okay , I'm normal , I don't necessarily have to please people or my parents to literally be Ruby ?

Speaker 2 5:56

I want to say it was like after , like probably when I moved here , when I moved to LA , like not because even being an adult you still feel that , you still feel like okay , but it was like when I moved here . It's like this is what I want to do . I never , me and my sister tried like a little R&B thing , you know , but that just wasn't my thing . I really didn't like . It wasn't really like trying to please . I did want to make my parents happy , but that really wasn't my vibe .

Speaker 2 6:22

I wanted to do gospel music , you know . So , coming here , I just kind of just did what I like . Y'all raised me . So let's just be , let's just walk in what you taught me and let me just do that , and then I just kind of follow my , follow the Holy spirit , but , you know , follow what the Lord told me to do , instead of always trying to think of what is going to make them happy all the time , all the time , you know because that's what we do .

Speaker 1 6:48

That's what we do . We try to figure out how can I make them happy and how they're going to be disappointed .

Speaker 2 6:54

That's really a thing , it is .

Speaker 1 6:56

It is , and it's like it kind of like just hovers , yeah . And you don't realize it until you're at the moment of making a decision , when you're like I'm going to do what I want to do , well , what they don't think , yep Dang , I really want to do this , though . No , you know what I mean . Yeah , so it was at that moment when you decide all right , I'm moving to LA Like I got to make some decisions for Ruby , for myself .

Speaker 2 7:18

My boyfriend was boyfriend at the time was uh living here .

Speaker 1 7:21

Yeah , Damo hey , damo , we love you , damo hey .

Speaker 2 7:26

So he was living here and I wanted to be here and we were trying to do our let his label and we were trying to , like I was trying to do my music stuff , my daddy hate LA , really hate it , like okay , you know . So I just had to do what I wanted to do .

Speaker 2 7:41

Like , I just wanted to do what I wanted to do for once and it worked out so , yeah , you know how freeing and liberating was that for you it was great because once you just do whatever it is you want to do it , instead of , like , always trying to figure out if they're gonna be mad or not then they accept it . Yeah , they don't have no choice . And then they are actually proud of you and they are happy and they glad . It's almost like just don't have no choice and then they are actually proud of you when they are happy and they glad . It's almost like just don't even . I wish I could tell every pk just do you , girl , or you can look at that camera and tell them I do you literally , literally .

Speaker 2 8:18

It's like in the end , when you get to a certain age , you're gonna do it anyway . Yes , and they're gonna be . And I'm not saying go out here and just say it and be crazy . Now that was what Ruby said . No , no , no , that's not what I'm saying . I'm saying just do you , though , like you , walk in the raising and walk in what they taught you , but you don't do your thing .

Speaker 1 8:35

Because it's in you Exactly , Even if you fail , even if mistake , it's still in you Exactly . You know what I mean , Just like when we were literally young kids , when we fell off our bikes , when we got a bruise , when we was arguing with somebody at school . We learned to overcome . That's a part of the process to make mistakes , to fall , to get back up , and I think there comes a certain part of us growing up in adults where we feel like we're not supposed to make mistakes anymore . Right , it's like oh no , I was only doing that as a little kid . I shouldn't be making mistakes as a full grown-up with a job . I should have learned . No , baby , this is going to keep happening Like we are human beings Always learning period .

Speaker 2 9:13

You know what I mean .

Speaker 1 9:15

And so I think that is amazing . Okay , so when did you know , like music was your jam , like this , the thing I'm doing it ? Um , were you singing in the ?

Speaker 2 9:25

church

Finding Personal Faith and Identity

Speaker 2 9:26

. Oh yeah , me and my sisters had the green girls the green girl yes , come on , green girls .

Speaker 1 9:34

My mama had us singing everywhere so you know , y'all was the automatic bgbs .

Speaker 2 9:40

No literally like everything my mama had us . Oh , my girls can sing , my girls can sing , and so , but I didn't like singing though that's the crazy thing . No , I didn't want to sing , okay . And so when I was in college , my younger sister , cora , was the one like we should do this . We started the R&B , we should do this . And I'm like , okay , and that's when I really kind of started liking it . And then , when I started writing , I started noticing that I have to think about the Lord to really get the love songs out the right way , and that's when I for them to even sound good or for me to really express how I really feel . And so that's when I was like well , why am I singing R&B ? My sister was mad because I'm like , yeah , I'm not going to do this anymore . And so , yeah , that's when I like in college is when I Wow .

Speaker 1 10:29

You literally was like this , don't feel right , it don't you know , unless I'm singing about God . Yep , oh , my God , okay , so let me tell you I haven't told you this . Okay , like , this is tea . So I was in a very , very , very dark place , like depressed , living in Dallas many moons ago . Okay , okay , I know I look good . No , you do . Um , many moons ago , um had to be early 20s , okay , and I was suicidal , like it was really tough , like , yeah , don't even know how I got to that place . But you know , sometimes when you feel like you're okay and you realize you're not , yeah , life , and I was wearing out Kiera Shears , we cry out February 28th , baby , I had been crying out , you did it . Yo , I idiot . I had cried out on February , march , april , may , I was alone in a room with Auntie Yolanda . That wasn't work . Like nothing was no , it wasn't uplifting . Yeah and um , our mutual friend Marquise shout out to Marquise .

Speaker 1 11:31

He literally had shared a song that you had literally just put out and I was like , let me click this and see what it is . And it was a bop . And I was literally like , wait , this is , this is inspirational , this is faith , this is gospel . Like , and when I tell you , ruby , listening to your music during that time encouraged me number one , number two . Then it inspired me because it unlocked the gift of writing in me . Like no lie , I feel like a year . That's what led me to write my first song . Like I hit Lamar , like yo , I think I'm ready to write .

Speaker 1 12:11

I think I'm ready to release , like my story , in song format , because I was literally listening to you and I can tell that you were writing your own music , that it was sincere and it had West Coast flair . Like every track was like yeah , and I'm like it was a , but it's like literally connected , like that makes me wanna cry . Oh , like heart string connected . Are you serious ? I just wanted to thank you for being obedient and for stepping out , and that's so encouraging because it really was . It was there . I can't say that about anyone else . Are you serious ? No , like that's bible . Thank you , that's bible .

Speaker 1 12:52

And so when your song pops up like all your songs pop up on my playlist , I always smile because I'm like man , I remember that place I was in and I remember how this was literally these songs that I would play on repeat because they were different and I felt like I could drive to it without feeling like I needed to be laying prostrate and saying , oh God , help me . It was just like it was doing what it was supposed to do . Thank you , lord . I really , really , really am so grateful for you to say yeah , and so you're a phenomenal artist . Thank you so much . Thank you , lord , and with phenomenal music . If y'all don't have it , click the link , because it's Steve . But you decided that you were going to make music that didn't sound like what we were listening to . No , yeah , yeah . And how challenging was that for you to navigate ?

Speaker 2 13:39

that it's still hard , yeah , yeah , because everybody is used to that . Like when you think gospel , you think you know Yolanda Adams coming up over the rough side of the mountain , we all climbing our way out . You know what I mean and I'm here for a good worship , you know what I'm saying . But sometimes the song , the lyrics , can say what they gonna say and it can still have . It can still be fun .

Speaker 2 14:08

Yeah , it seems like , cause , even with what's up , it's about being in a depressed state , you know , but it's like we can talk about that and we can direct people to prayer and to the Lord and to listening to the Holy Spirit , like settling down and not letting the outside noise get to you without it being like it's already heavy . Yeah , so let's make the track fun . You know what I'm saying , so that we can say the lyrics and still it's gonna make you dance , yeah , so then that's gonna make you not be so you know what I mean . So I feel like it's a good call , it's a good mix , like all of mix , like all of them , like even a couple of them on there , like you said , like God is on your side you know , right , I'm like woo , that's the bass heavy one , it's like all of them , they all talking about that , but at the same time the track is different .

Speaker 2 15:07

So I don't know , but it's still hard , because even I'm independent . But I don't know , but it's still hard because even I'm independent but I don't really want to be signed . I don't know if I should say that yeah , but I wouldn't mind . But I don't know if I want to be because they do control I have a lot of control over what you do and they want those songs . Yeah , because that's what people identify with . You'll notice , like a lot of people that do stuff on the side , on my side of things , it's usually like I think , like Rodney Jerkins has a new label with a lot of dope , yeah , so it's like you got somebody that you know , you got people in it .

Speaker 1 15:43

Good , they just revive that like literally , just like , all right , let's .

Speaker 2 15:47

And I want to say year ago , like it hasn't even been long . So you have people that want that , but like the main bigger , like gospel artists or gospel labels they , not , they don't they not ? You know what I'm saying . So it's difficult trying to navigate that .

Speaker 1 16:02

Why do you think that is Like ?

Speaker 2 16:05

I feel like let me tell you what I think Okay .

Speaker 1 16:08

Being in music , working in more mainstream music . Yeah , I'm always bringing up like highlighting more gospel music and all the things . Right Now , I do know one of the problems is the listeners Got you so specifically like where I work , our demographic of listeners is more Gen Z . They would probably respond to your music like crazy , okay , okay , which is why more DSPs and labels should be pushing that type of music . Yeah , but I think it all comes down to dollars and cents . That's true , and the problem is they don't want to invest in a genre like gospel Christianity because it doesn't yield the same results as a hip hop , rap , r&b .

Speaker 2 17:00

You know what I ?

Speaker 1 17:01

mean , which is unfortunate , because I feel like if we get enough kingdom minded citizens that come together without ill intent , without trying to exploit our gospel artists , without trying to literally give them a penny on the dollar , but actually just like have clean hands , pure heart , like the word says , then the industry would flourish in the way in which God has given us the ability to do .

Speaker 1 17:26

You know what I mean . And I think it's hard for independent artists because this is literally how you pay your rent , this is your bread and butter , like fool got to be on the table . Yeah , you know what I mean . Yeah , and so it is unfortunate , but I'm , I'm , I'm holding on to like this gut feeling and like this prayer of , like God , I know that you can raise up and establish enough people that , like you said , like the Tamela records , like you know what I mean , like that are actually have the right intent to back independent artists to where , giving them the creative control , without trying to control the gift that God has given them . That's why the people at the top has to be spirit led , because if the people at the top are not spirit led , they're going to contaminate yep , you know what I mean .

Speaker 2 18:12

And then it just comes down you know what I ?

Speaker 1 18:15

mean no , yeah , but what do you think ? What do you feel ? Like you agree with that or you feel like it's something else also aiding into why ?

Speaker 2 18:21

no , I totally agree with that , but I also feel like even the gospel labels . They don't want to do this type of music like they don't . They want . They want you to be forever alone . No , and I listen .

Speaker 1 18:38

Okay , that's my girl , but they want you to be praise dancing

Marriage and Creative Partnership

Speaker 1 18:42

. But that's what they want .

Speaker 2 18:43

and then too , a lot of the older , a lot of the older , like generation , they don't want it , they don't really want to hear that yeah , yeah . But you know , you can market to younger people , that's the thing . But they , I don't think the gospel , I don't think they want to do that . So it's not even just um , like secular labels , but even gospel labels . They don't want to do that . They don't , they don't want to do that . Yeah , so you have to just kind of like , do your own thing .

Speaker 1 19:05

You got to're doing Yep , and you're killing it and you're forging a path . Thank you , literally you are Okay , so let's talk about it , because you said it was your boyfriend at the time , uh-huh , and obviously this ring is blinding me . I mean , it is giving Wife life . Lord , whatever you're doing in this season , please don't move without me . Thank you , father , amen , okay , damo , okay , literally a part of 1500 and nothing . Yep , literally a creative artist , musician , all the things . How is that ? Like , obviously I feel like y'all go together like peanut butter and jelly , because music is all the things , but like , how has wife life been ?

Speaker 2 19:46

Wife life has been great . Like Damo is my best friend friend , so we get into it a lot you know what I mean because we say we act like friends , but I think that's the part that always bring us .

Speaker 2 19:57

You know we are super close , so being his wife is like I don't know the difference . We live together like that's what it is . You know , this is my best friend , so I love being a wife , though I really do so it's like you know , I it's not a big difference , but I do like being a wife . I like , like you know , cooking and cleaning , just not every day , hello , but I like because balance , yeah , and but I like making my house look a certain way , which you could do that single .

Speaker 1 20:25

But you know what I mean .

Speaker 2 20:25

I just like , but I you know , you enjoy school yeah , oh my god , okay , so do you guys write together Do you like what's like the dynamic when it comes to , like your career . Like I always tell Damo , he is like what is it ? Phil Jackson , he's the coach , so I don't like to do a lot . Like I haven't put no music out in a while which I have music , yes . Like I have so much music . Like I haven't put no music out in a while which I have music , yes , like I have so much music . But I haven't , yeah , but I haven't released anything because I had the baby . You know , we did , we trying to do that whole thing . But also , you know , damo got sick , you know .

Speaker 2 21:02

So that was really tough and I don't really , it's just not , it don't feel the same . Yeah , it's not the same , because he really does help me with every single thing . Like we don't necessarily write together lyrically , yeah , but he does all the music . Yeah , you know what I'm saying . Or he'll call producers in that he and I always be like what do you think ? What do you think ? Or is it dumb , is it stupid , or does it sound ? Okay , you know what I'm saying because he's like just the person that I . He's just my go-to person when it comes to music . For it , like he's just my go-to person . So yeah , peanut butter and jelly Peanut butter and jelly Giving .

Speaker 1 21:38

I love that . How important was it for you to find a purpose mate , Like somebody that compliments the gift that God has given you Very .

Speaker 2 21:52

Because , God has given you very because the guy that I was dating before this was not like hood street and they won't be a little , you know , but he was raised in church , you know , and it's just a big difference . Like whoever can do that , cool , but if he was raised in church , that's gonna drive you crazy . Go ahead and do it , that's gonna drive you crazy . Like being with somebody . That is that that was right , because his family comes , is very music heavy , like they had like a really big quartet group Like so him and you know Ethan , he played a bass and you know everybody do something . So for us to just like merge , it was great , it made sense , yeah , it makes sense . And even just church , like it just makes sense . Yeah , you ain't got to beg nobody to go to church . He want to go to church More than me , wow . So Damo want to go to church Because Damo churchy , damo is so churchy and that's what people don't know .

Speaker 1 22:39

Yes , give me churchy , very Literally , literally , oh my Okay to play a game with me . Let's play , okay , because you're an artist . Okay , this game is called who you Got Okay , okay , okay , you're going to have 20 seconds , all right , to tell me who you got Okay In this battle of singers .

Speaker 2 23:04

Okay .

Speaker 1 23:05

Don't think too long . Mm-hmm , first person that come to mind . Okay , all right , I'm gonna give you the people , though , okay , okay so . And I choose . Yeah , you choose between the two people . Got you Okay ? Okay , let's do it . You ready ? Alright , let's see if y'all think Y'all know what she about to say . Alright , vicky Winans or Patti LaBelle .

Speaker 2 23:27

Vicky Winans .

Speaker 1 23:28

Okay , cece Winans or Anita Baker .

Speaker 2 23:32

Cece Winans .

Speaker 1 23:33

Okay , cece Winans or Anita Baker . Cece Winans , ooh , kelly Price or Tasha Cobb-Leonard touch guys , touch guys , touch guys , okay , okay okay , faith evans or karen clark shearer I'm gonna go with faith oh my hey , hey girl um , throw it back .

Speaker 1 23:51

Swv , or trinity five , seven . Swv for me , oh , really swv for me , okay , okay , I'm messing up the time . Earth , wind and Fire , or Commission Earth , wind and Fire , okay , al Green , or BB Winans , al Green , it doesn't even matter who it was . Oh my God . Literally , I was thinking of these people today and I was like , ooh , this is so hard . But let me see , and I feel like you chose all the right people , I think .

Speaker 2 24:24

I did .

Speaker 1 24:25

I love everybody that you named but if I had to choose , because most of the people on there got their start from church , right , so they come from church and they're just in a different genre so they can compete with the people that are literally in the gospel industry , like neck and neck . You know what I mean . It feels the same . It kind of you know what I mean ? Yeah , kind of sort of . Yeah , not really , not really , but a little bit , just a tinge . Yeah , just with the music part .

Speaker 2 24:47

Okay , so you talked about being a mom , mm-hmm , and I gotta ask your life changed for the better , obviously , uh-huh , um , and how is that fueling you in this current season of your life ? Oh , um , I love my son . I don't even want to even start talking . I love him so much , like and you hear people like I ain't never loved no , no , I'm her . I've never , I am her . Like love like I ain't even know this even existed and it make me love my mama , because I'm like that's how you love me , like even more nothing , I don't love you know what I'm saying , but it make me like this is how you feel about me , because I really really love him like .

Speaker 2 25:36

But as far as changing , you know , it's just different like me and Damo . It's just been me and him Like

Motherhood Journey and Fertility Struggles

Speaker 2 25:42

we was married for like 10 years before we had a baby . So we get up and go Like let's go to Vegas . Now , you can't do that . You know that , ain't .

Speaker 1 25:49

You want some weight ? Hold on , we got to bring the baby , yeah , right .

Speaker 2 25:58

You know . So that is . But I don't feel like . I feel like I'm a stronger version of who I already was Wow , you know , if that makes sense . Like I'm not , I'm always going to say whatever I want to say . I've always been that type of person , like I'm always going to stand in what I believe , yeah , but I don't hesitate . Now , like before , it's like I mean , I don't want to , but it's like no , I don't want to do that , I ain't doing it , and you know that's where I want to . You know , you just feel a little bit more sure of yourself . I guess is the right , you know way to say it . But I do feel like that . But in , in is so into music , wow , and I really . And of course , this is all about the Lord , but I can't wait for him to see like Mommy Sings Too .

Speaker 1 26:45

I love that , like he sees me at church but like for him to understand .

Speaker 2 26:51

Our whole Good People Club thing .

Speaker 1 26:52

Yeah .

Speaker 2 26:52

You know Good People , hey , Good People Club , so our whole thing .

Speaker 1 27:08

I can't that .

Speaker 2 27:09

Yeah , yeah , okay , so tell the people about good people club if they don't know . Okay , that's my husband's label , yes , and he has a clothing line and it's just everything . Yeah , so , yeah , it's everything go to the website gp sent .

Speaker 1 27:14

So it's good , people entertainment love it . Okay , so you said y'all were married for 10 years before having your son . Okay , were there challenges there ? What advice would you give to people that are waiting to conceive or ready to have a baby , that maybe their faith is low , and there you know what I mean .

Speaker 2 27:32

Like just what advice and that was a tough , tough time , because Damo didn't really care , he was like I'm cool it's just me and you but I did .

Speaker 2 27:46

I want to know as a woman , you know you want a legacy , you want to be a mom , like , just don't give up . And I don't care because the doctors told me that I was not going to be able to have a baby . And my fertility doctor told me when I got pregnant and I say this go to your doctors , like see a fertility specialist , have your husband see somebody , because you don't ever know what's going on right . But like she told me once I got pregnant , I didn't think you were going to get pregnant , but I couldn't tell you that because you had so much hope , wow . And I was like girl , I'm so glad you didn't say that .

Speaker 1 28:30

Hello , because that would have meant .

Speaker 2 28:32

So just keep your faith up . But I did have doctors to tell me like , oh , you should have a surrogate , or oh , you know you should have a surrogate , or oh you know . But I didn't . I was like no , like you got to just and I was praying . I got off Instagram . Yeah , that's like I hate social media . Now that's another thing that's changed about me , but anyway . So it's like I got off Instagram and I was just really in my word , I was praying all the time and God did it . But it was hard , did ?

Speaker 1 28:57

it .

Speaker 2 29:05

Yeah , it was hard . You never lost your faith . No , I didn't . Oh , I was . I always felt like is it gonna happen ? Of course I did have the , but , you know , help my unbelief , like I gotta keep repeating that script because it's like I know you , I know what you can do . Yeah , he did demo was always . Oh , you know . Yeah , yeah , everybody but me . I was a little bit , you know . But , yeah , just stay praying . Help my unbelief .

Speaker 1 29:23

No , for real I think so many of us can relate to that , because we go through the seasons of like I know what you're able to do , but are you gonna do it for me ? But are you going to do it for me ? Is it in your will ? Is it in your will ?

Speaker 1 29:36

whether that's like right now I'm single . I feel like I'm 55 years old . Okay , like Jesus when ? Okay , am I rapture ready ? Or am I husband ready ? Because what's it given , what's it given . But I know you could do it , but Jesus , yeah , like any day now , lord you know . But it's literally that helping of the unbelief and continuing to be in a posture of expectation no , you have to be . And the fact that your doctor sensed the God in you to not plant a seed of anxiety is no , she's the best .

Speaker 1 30:12

Like I can see your hope and I don't want to be the person to discourage you . That means that the God in you and your faith was at a certain level , amen . That all they could do was let's keep . If you don't got nothing nice to say , don't say hello , right ? You know what I mean , oh yeah , and so I think that's so applicable to many people , no matter what stage and journey , that they are literally believing god to do something in their life , whatever , whatever it is like to just don't give up , yeah , and don't listen to no negativity , because it's going to come .

Speaker 1 30:46

And to go deeper in your seek , because you removed yourself from the distractions . The noise I love it and you focused in on literally your relationship and your foundation with .

Speaker 2 30:58

Christ , no , for real , you know . And then that's when things just started happening out of the blue Girl , and it did not take long Come on . It was once I really was like no , I need to just like pull away and really get in my , like my word yeah , not that you're not praying , but you know when you're going through something . Yeah , it really does something else to you it ignites that Exactly .

Speaker 2 31:21

No . And then once I really like it was like some months , like I say like six months , but it was , that's not , it wasn't . Yeah , we was doing it the regular way and it was years . Yeah , you know what I'm saying . And then we shut it all down and let God like whatever you say , but I am believing you for this . Yeah , he did it right away . Because his ways are not our ways , and he don't do nothing wrong , woo-hoo .

Speaker 1 31:46

At all , like he can't miss Ever . There's no misses with him , no , Like obviously I don't make it happen , right , you know what I ?

Speaker 2 31:55

mean .

Speaker 1 31:55

Like just chill , mm-hmm . Ok , so I want to dig in a little bit about , like you're saying , your doctor had felt like you couldn't conceive but didn't want to tell you . Now , obviously we're black women , yep , we're living in a society where black people don't like going to the doctor . Number one , right , number two . We feel like they always trying to drug us , give us something to take us out of here . How did that make you feel , knowing that she felt like that but didn't tell you ? Because we feel like doctors don't aren't always truthful with us anyway with things that we're dealing with .

Speaker 1 32:31

So how did that make you feel ? Because I know for me , like , like I told you , I'm about 55 , now 57 , it's been two minutes , been two years . Okay , about 57 , going on 70 . Right , okay , I'm out here . Abraham and Sarah , lord , please don't do that to me , but it's like I'm getting older and , yes , I need to go to the doctor . But establishing that trust with somebody , Right , like are they going to tell me what I need to know ? Like , how did that make you feel ?

Speaker 2 32:58

I didn't really get a negative vibe from her saying that I really liked her and I would like , if I had any issues , if I ever wanted to have another baby which I don't know that that will happen , but if I did I would go back to . I didn't feel like she was like withholding information necessarily . I felt like she was trying not to discourage me . You know what I'm saying . But as black women , we do want to know , like everything . But I feel like in this journey , if you're going through , like when you're getting down to the point where you got to see a fertility specialist , it's a lot of stress and I think she was just trying to like not stress me out even more . She did say I'm gonna do whatever you want to do until it's like OK , ruby , that's what she told me . Until it's like okay , ruby , that's what she told me , you know .

Speaker 2 33:42

But she , um , she was white , but she's not from here , she's like from , like I don't know where , she's , like Australia or somewhere , but she she was very positive like the whole time . So I didn't get that vibe , but somebody else would want to know and she was very blunt about a lot of stuff , like girl , you know , but that particular thing of like it just ain't gonna happen . She didn't say that to me , but it didn't make me feel no way . Now again , if you're going through something like that and that's a concern of yours , you got to tell your doctors like , especially as we get older , like I ain't no spring chicken you know what I'm saying so .

Speaker 2 34:16

Getting pregnant , you know it becomes a little bit more difficult . So if you have concerns Getting pregnant , you know it becomes a little bit more difficult . So if you have concerns as black women , you have to say something . Like my OB , she is not black but she's very aware of what happens with African-American women when they're pregnant and having babies , how they're not listened to and how the nursing staff doesn't . She didn't play about that and like anything that was going on with me . She's like going off on the nurses like what you know ? Yeah , get you somebody you can trust there . You know where . You not feeling like okay , what was that ? Why didn't you ? You know what I mean . You know why they did what they did . You know , or said what they said yeah , no , I agree with that .

Speaker 1 34:57

I think the biggest thing is trusting , yeah , the professional just because they have the title of doctor doesn't mean they're the doctor for you , exactly and being committed to the process of finding the right professional for you .

Speaker 2 35:11

Because I saw like two or three people before we were seeing her . It was like we're going to , let we go , just whatever . Then we went to like two other people

Finding Doctors You Can Trust

Speaker 2 35:20

and then I went back to her fertility doctor . She's the best . So , yeah , I didn't feel that way , but find you somebody you can trust yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1 35:27

I love the echo in that .

Speaker 2 35:29

Find you somebody you can trust , okay , and if you're getting heebie-jeebie vibes , that ain't the doctor for you go to somebody else because and I'll say this , lastly , because the guy that I saw before her , he told me it ain't going , you're not going to get , and I was like I don't like it , and Damo was like I don't like his spirit , and I was like yeah , I don't like .

Speaker 2 35:49

So it's not being honest . It's not about being honest . It's the way you say , the way yeah , like if you're not comfortable with your doctor , doctor yeah , the end .

Speaker 1 35:59

Wow , that is so powerful . I literally can talk to you all day , ruby , like we can keep , keep . Okay , because he got stuff to talk about , but our listeners got stuff to do , I understand . So if you could edit your church experience audited , edited what would you change about it ? Like in current time , knowing what you know now , what would you change about any of your church experience ?

Speaker 2 36:30

I would not let these church people get in my head . Don't let these church people get in your head , and I'm not talking about Christians who trying to guide you . I'm talking about church people and you know they are . I wouldn't let them get in my head like whatever cuz that's a big thing , it is . Yep , they want to plant see , yeah , and make you feel

Final Advice and Encouragement

Speaker 2 36:51

, yeah , yeah , that's the now wish I could be . Yeah , well , over again . Yes , ma'am , but can you move ? You know I would , but I'm gonna , ma'am but can you move ?

Speaker 1 37:01

You know I would , because I can't be disrespectful , but I would Put a ma'am on that before I tell you to move . Move , no , that will be me . Hello , I love that . And then my last question Well , requests , Okay Is for , and you've been doing this throughout the episode . But any person listening that is like Ruby . I can relate to your story . I just need a word of encouragement . Whether it's I'm trying to pursue music independently and I love it and I don't know what I'm doing . I'm trying to navigate this next phase of my life where there's infantility or being married and trying to my partner that's in the same industry . Maybe we're competing and we're not working together . Oh yeah like uh-huh .

Speaker 1 37:46

Whatever it may be , just a word of encouragement for our listeners .

Speaker 2 37:50

Just looking at Cameron pray and ask God , ask the Holy Spirit to guide you when every single thing . If it's music , he'll lead you to the right people . And if it's music , he'll lead you to the right people . And if it's your relationship , he'll lead you to the right person . If it's your you and your spouse working together , it's going to be stuff . You know what I'm saying . Y'all going to get into it about stuff , because both of you all will probably be passionate about it . But just keep moving , keep working and know that the enemy is going to try to distract you . The enemy is going to try to come to get you off , you know , because he doesn't want what God has for you guys to be released . So he's going to always try to attack . But just keep praying , just stay focused . Don't let that get in your head . That would be my advice . I love that , ruby . Focus . Don't let that get in your head . That would be my advice .

Speaker 1 38:41

I love that . Ruby , thank you so much for coming to the PK Pod . We literally love having you here . Thank you , will you come back ? Absolutely , I feel like we should do a live episode one day and have you sing some of your music , because I want LA to be up in that building like period period period no , especially when .

Speaker 1 38:58

I come out with some new stuff . Yes , because you're going to come out with some new stuff . In the meantime , I want y'all to go download all of her music right now , do not hesitate . And I want y'all to share in the comments how uplifting it has been , how encouraging it has been . Y'all stay tuned . We'll see you back next week on the PK Pod . If you enjoyed today's episode , we would love for you to stay connected with us on Instagram and TikTok by following us at the PK pod . We share clips and behind the scenes from episodes like today , where you can continue in the conversation . We would love for you guys to be a part of our community by following us at the PK pod . Until next time , family , have an amazing day .