Chosen, Not Born: A PK’s Path

Some stories are born; others are chosen. Charles Rose didn’t inherit the PK life—he stepped into it, found a father, and reshaped what calling looks like beyond the pulpit. We open up about leaving a mega church at fifteen for a smaller house where mentorship, time, and intentional pouring made growth possible, and how that pivot—absent of church hurt and full of honor—can be a blueprint for anyone sensing it’s time to move without burning bridges.

From Hartford choir rehearsals that felt like rescue to LA’s creative corridors, Charles maps the winding road of purpose: PR degree, HBCU style culture, saying no to the spotlight but yes to shaping it, and building a reputation on excellence, integrity, and telling the whole truth. He talks candidly about loving a father who battled addiction, reframing anger by seeing the man before the label, and choosing forgiveness as a discipline that frees your heart and even unclogs your prayer life. We dig into platform standards and wardrobe guardrails with one clear north star—don’t be a distraction. Ministry isn’t performance; it’s service. Teach the unchurched, guide with patience, and keep the main thing the main thing.

We also celebrate his upcoming ordination as an elder—a public affirmation of a life already poured out in rooms big and small. Expect practical wisdom for PKs and multi-gifted creatives: be loyal to your future, value relationships over transactions, bring your best work at every price point, and close doors with gratitude so God can open better ones. If you’ve felt the nudge to pivot, to forgive, or to raise your standard without losing your soul, this conversation will meet you where you are.

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Transcript

Meet Charles Rose, Chosen PK

SPEAKER_03 0:07

Hey friends, welcome back to the PK Pod where we all have platforms, but it may not be the pilpit. Mighty. Today we are talking to another incredible PK that is going to share their story, their journey, and it's a good one, y'all. I am super excited to share with y'all today, my friend Charles Rose, the incomparable, the fashionable, the strong man, as his name says, that I just learned. Charles, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

I am literally so excited to have you. You were the first person. And I can say this to you because you witnessed the nervous, anxious, like you were the first person I asked to be a part of this podcast. I appreciate it. And I was like, Charles, hi. I'm doing this podcasting. And I just went, you were like, yes. I was like, ha ha, thank you, Jesus. Um, so thank you for seeing the God in me. Thank you for trusting me. And I'm so excited for everyone to get to know you and to go deeper into your journey as a PK because you are a person of many hats.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

We have hats.

SPEAKER_03 1:32

Multiple.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

We have hats.

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Fitted, non-fitted, trucker.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Bandana.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Bandana. Hats galore. And we love a good fashionable hat. But we're gonna talk about the hats that you wear. And so why don't you take us back to the beginning of like, yo, I'm a preacher's kid. Like, how did we get to growing up as a PK? How do we get to PKism? We like to say here on the PK Pod, other organizations say you can't just join in, you got to be born in. But in PK land, you can be born in, you can join in, you can be volunteered in. And so we like to navigate the journeys of each PK because we know that our unique stories are what define us. So tell us.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

Um, one, I just want to thank you for having me. I thank you for even thinking enough of me to want me to be on. Um, I appreciate you and I do trust you because I don't talk. Um, I don't talk to people. Y'all, the y'all who follow me on Instagram know it's giving picture. It's giving picture. That's what a lot to say. It's it's a lot of text, but it's

Escaping Chaos Through Church and Music

SPEAKER_01 2:35

not a lot of vocal. Um but no, um, unlike most PKs, I chose to be a PK. Um I'm an adopted son. My biological father was a very layered man. He struggled with um substance abuse throughout my whole childhood, pretty much. Um, and growing up, I feel like I looked for a way to escape because um inside of my house it was very like verbally and physically abusive. Um I think my way of escape was music. Um, my mother was a praying woman, she still lives a praying woman. Um, and the church was super big for us. Um, I joined the choir when I was four years old. Um, you weren't supposed to join till five, but I think my mom was just talking care of me in the house.

SPEAKER_03 3:27

Go ahead and take my son, he's ready.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

Um, but I joined the choir when I was four years old, and Tuesdays at 5:30 were my favorite time of the week.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

Was that how early rehearsal was? 5:30. Can we go back? Because this 7, 7:30 isn't working.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

It was 5:30, and I was there at 4:45. I was turning on lights, putting out words on seats. I was so excited to be here. You were the pass around. I was passer outing words. Um, but yeah, it was it was my way of escape. Um, and growing up in Hartford, I went to a really big church. I was like that kid that did all the things, sang, played Jesus in the play, like You were Black Jesus. I was all of the things. I was I was Kirk Franklin, I was Black Jesus, whatever they needed me to be, I was that.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

Um, and um there was a um choir director in Hartford that was really popular who had started a church um called The Citadel of Love. And he had a community choir. And he was really known because he was the one who like brought a lot of bigger names to Hartford. Um and this community choir was for adults, obviously. But um my minister of music asked if I could join it, and he said yeah. Um so I started to go to choir rehearsal, and it was the first time that I got an experience, got the exp got the opportunity to experience singing background for gospel artists who I thought were like huge. Wow. Um, and this guy who started the choir, there was something about him that in my mind I was just like, yo, he is so cool. And he had a smaller church. I came from a huge church. He had a smaller church, but everybody respected him. There was just an air about him that I was just like, I don't know what that is, but I want to be that. I want that.

Leaving Mega Church for Mentorship

SPEAKER_01 5:10

I want to walk into a room and get that kind of like respect and response. Um, and yeah, I remember even at like a younger age being like, oh, I wish my dad was like that. Like I wish like I wish that was my dad. And um when I got a little older, I ended up leaving my church, my home church, and I joined Citadel of Love. Um how old were you? I was in 10th grade, so 15.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

14, 15, something like that. Um, and I joined the Citadel of Love and it was a big deal because, like I said, I was the kid who led all the youth choir songs and stuff, so it wasn't really looked at in a positive way from my home church. I think some people probably was like, why would you leave this like mega church and go to this little storefront church or whatever? And I felt God call me. I felt a call. Even at that age, I felt like there was something over there that I needed to be a part of. And I had a great relationship with my pastor at my performer church. I had a great relationship with the music department and the minister of music, they they saw something in me and they invested in it. But because of the size of the church, they weren't able to give me the attention that I wanted or that I felt like I needed to really cultivate the gift. Um, and because my father's church was smaller, um, he just had more time, I think. He had more capacity to pour. Um, and he did. Um, we we got really close really fast. Um and since I was 16, um, he's been the only man I've called dad. Um most people who meet me or meet him and know of each other through each other are a lot, they would assume that that's my real dad because that's how close we are. I talk to my father multiple times a day. That's that's my dog. Yeah. Um but yeah, so that's kind of how I got into being a PK. I travel with my dad. I go to convocation. You know, like me and my dad are like this, but yeah, my becoming a PK wasn't the traditional, he's not my biological father, but in all aspects, that's that's my dad.

SPEAKER_03 7:17

Yeah, 100%. You said so much that I'm trying not to peel it apart because there's so many intersections that I literally am like, oh my God, I can relate to this. Oh my god, I can relate to this. Um, you literally said that you left your large loving church at an age in where you were in your own understanding to know, like, I my gifts are not being poured into here, and I want to go somewhere where I can get the nurturing, the love, and which I feel like I need for this next season, right? And I think so many PKs can relate to that. I think that we are voluntold a lot of times. We don't get the opportunity to leave until we're older, but we still have a choice and we forget we have a choice. And so for me, I was working at a huge mega church in Dallas, and I felt like it was my reasonable service because that's all I was taught my whole life, even though that church was my father wasn't pastoring that church, he was still pastoring in California. But in that season, I felt like I had to be the best PK I can be, show up, serve, even though I was working two jobs. I was at the clinique counter

Adoption of a Father and Belonging

SPEAKER_03 8:40

at the mall trying to make ends meet because I wasn't getting paid enough, bills was being turned off. I was at that church literally seven days a week. I had the alarm codes, I was let I was over the janitors, funerals, wedding, like literally that was my that was all I knew. And it wasn't until I left that season and was like, I don't feel like I am supposed to continue on in this season. Like I feel like God has more. And it wasn't until I made that decision to say, I'm supposed to leave. It's time for me to leave this.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

And there was no church hurt. There was no drama. There was no first cathedral was good to be. There's no, there wasn't, and and I think that's the part that made it tricky for me. It's because I didn't want people to think I'm leaving because y'all have done something done me wrong. Yeah. Y'all for 15 years, y'all are who cultivated this gift in me. So it wasn't like, oh my God, y'all suck. Yeah. It was there's something different. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:44

Yeah. Like there's purpose in the pivot. And I think a lot of times, if it's not a falling out or a lashing out, like that's just what people expect. Yeah. Instead of us just coming to the awareness and being sensitive to the Holy Spirit and saying, like, I think I'm supposed to be shifting. Yeah. Or like I'm out living a season. Like my time is up, you know? And so you being able to identify that at 14, 15 is huge, you know, because I think people assume that that's something that happens later on in life. And so I can't a hundred percent um relate to that. You also mentioned that your biological father struggled with like substance abuse and things like that. Um that's also something that was literally on my mom's side of the family. Her mother was literally an alcoholic. And I remember watching my mom go from preaching on Mother's Day about being a mother, knowing that she herself never had that because she was raised by her grandmother. And literally her own mother was cussing her out or literally like throwing stuff at her because she wouldn't give her money to buy more. Like, I remember her being scared for to take us over there, but wanting us to know who she was and watching her navigate this as a first lady, but also as a mother, which was like, whoo, I feel like she is God's strongest soldier, but to literally live through that. And so I would just ask for you to, in this moment, any advice that you would give to any anybody, PKs, Christians, whomever that's dealing with experiencing some level of substance abuse, like any encouraging words or advice that you would give them.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

I think if you're dealing with someone who is dealing with a substance abuse, you have to recognize that it is a sickness, it is a disease. And I think for me, my freedom or peace regarding that came when I stopped looking at my father to be my father and I started looking at him as a man. And I said, there is something that he's experienced that has made him this way. He didn't, he wasn't born this way, but something in his life has brought him to this point that I was not there for. I'm not and I'm not aware of what that is. And when I stopped trying to figure it out or stopped trying to do the what-ifs or why is why does he treat me this way, or what is it wrong about me that causes him to lash out at me in this way, when I started to think of he may not have had the tools, he may not have had the understanding. I think the biggest thing that has

Purpose in the Pivot, Not Church Hurt

SPEAKER_01 12:30

shaped my life is faith. And I think because I went through all these traumatic experiences, but I had a perspective or a lens of faith, of I had scripture to stand on, I had God to call on. People who don't have that tend to search for that relief in different ways. And I think that's a big reason why I'm I don't hold anger towards my father. I don't I love my father. Um, he has passed on since then, but I don't, I have a lot of peace with it because I realize that that is a part of my story, and without that piece of the story, I would not be who I am.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

That's so good.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Um, and I think we just have to have grace um for people and learn how to forgive and not just forgive for them to be okay, but forgive for you to be okay. Forgiveness is not giving an excuse for something that somebody does. It's saying I'm not allowing something that you did to be controlled, to control my mood or my emotions or my energy. I'm not going to allow triggers to dictate my mood or how I respond to something.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

I forgive you because I don't know what you had to go through just to be where you are right now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 13:47

And I think we don't realize how powerful forgiveness is. Like it takes it off of us. I was literally at Bible study yesterday, and um Dr. Matt was literally saying one thing that can hinder your prayers being answered is harboring unforgiveness. And people don't realize that that can literally be tying up. Your miracle can be on the other side of you just releasing like unforgiveness and saying, you know what, I forgive you. I don't have to like you, I don't have to, you know, forget this, but I am really.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

It doesn't have to be what it's about.

SPEAKER_03 14:30

All the things, but I am releasing it. And I'm casting my cares on the one who cares for me. Like the end. That's all. Like, you know what I mean? I love this. Okay, so Hartford, Connecticut. How did we get to Los Angeles? Because we are we're in LA right now. So obviously, there is some type of creative component because you are Mr. Fashionable. Like, I mean, always dressed down. Honestly, I want to tell my friends that this outfit is worn only because Charles gave me a compliment on a Sunday, and I just felt like I have to put it in.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

Put it on, put it on.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

I get the celebrity stylist approval. I'm putting, I'm running it back, okay? It don't even matter that it's from the Prime Mark. I am running it back like it is from Bloomingdales, okay? Because period, I got the stamp of approved.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

You look good.

SPEAKER_03 15:22

So how did we get to, you know what? I have other giftings outside of music because I've been Black Jesus, I've been singing, I've been the passer outer of choir lyrics, but God has more.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

I think it was just that. I always knew that there was more. I knew that I was special. I knew I I don't want to say I'm humble because most people who say that they're humble aren't humble, but there there is a humility that comes from knowing that I'm only good because God is good.

SPEAKER_03 15:51

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

There is something that says, I am great, but I'm great because the God in me is great. It's not by any goodness of my own. Yeah. So I am great. I'm not ashamed to say that I think very highly of myself. Yeah. But I think highly of myself because I know that I give him liberty to control, to direct, to guide me. Um, but I always felt

Substance Abuse, Faith, and Forgiveness

SPEAKER_01 16:10

that. I felt special. I felt um abnormal. I knew that there was more than what I saw. So from a very young age, I always wanted to leave Connecticut. Never liked it. To this day, I go back to see my grandmother. Okay. And if my father's having a conference, or if my mom's birthday. Those are the though that's typically it.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Um, so while I was still at the big church, there was this choir that came called the Cotton Blossom Singers.

SPEAKER_03 16:38

The Cotton Blossom Singers.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

They were from Piney Woods, Mississippi.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Um, they were a boarding school, and the director of the choir at the time heard me sing at church because they came on a youth Sunday. Okay. She said, Hey, do you want to come to the school? I said, No. Um, but then she kind of explained it was a boarding school, it's in Mississippi, you can live away from home. And I said, Mom, like, hey, this lady said that I could come. She's like, Well, we can't afford for you and go to boarding school. And the lady told me that if I would come and join the choir, that they could work out of financial situation. I said, Any means of getting me out of here? See, yeah. Um, yeah, so I went to boarding school in ninth grade. Really? Only stayed for a year and a half. I needed a job and I needed a car. Okay. Those two things were not aligning. Um, so I came back to Harvard. But since I was really young, I've always wanted to be away. Um, I went to Alabama State for college. Um after college, I moved to Atlanta, moved to New York, and ultimately um moved to LA in 2015. So I've been here for like 10 years.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

Wow. And through that journey, you have been on several stages styling the greats.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

God is very kind.

SPEAKER_03 17:57

And how did you foresee that experience happening, or did it just kind of like stumble?

SPEAKER_01 18:03

I went to school for public relations.

SPEAKER_03 18:05

Me too!

SPEAKER_01 18:07

I knew I was gonna be an entertainment publicist in some way that I was not. Um I ain't did a lick of PR. I watched this show called The Hills. Okay, yes. I that's kind of what they did. Like they worked at Vogue or at these places. I'm just like, bro, like that life looks very, it looks nice. You know? So I'm like, if I'm if y'all are gonna force me to go to school anyway, I might as well. We might as well make this make sense. You know, um so I went to school for PR. Um, I have a I have a degree in public relations, and I've never worked a PR job in my life.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

Me neither.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

However, okay, I do PR for myself.

SPEAKER_03 18:41

Hello.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

And the way my skills have helped me, thank you. I would no mistake, God bless you. Um, I won't be paying you back anytime soon, but God bless you. Um but um yeah, so that in school, I went to an HBCU. Yeah. And you know, some college students, when they go to class, they're comfortable. Basketball shorts, leggings. Yeah. At an HBCU, we do things a little different. Like we put it on. We put we put it on. So in school, I always just I I I was not in a space to buy the things I wanted, but I made what I had make sense. So I always had it on. Um, and I think going to that and being in that environment, going to that school, there's creatives, there's photographers and stuff. We had a modeling troupe called Elite Models. Okay. And they wanted me to model and I didn't want to do that.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

Y'all might not believe me, but I don't like attention. Like I'm I cap, cap, cap, cap. I don't like attention. Because of how I present, I get attention. But it's not something that I still like attention? Mm-mm, mm-mm mm-mm.

unknown 19:44

What?

SPEAKER_01 19:45

Or if or if I You like life of the party. But if I do get attention, it needs to be curated. Like I want to be in control of the attention. Okay, that's fine. Um, I don't want random attention. Um it's a it's overly stimulating.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Um, so I said no to modeling, but they asked me to style the shows. So um I started styling them, and photographers in the area took notice and asked me to style their shoots. I was broke in college. Broke. Wow. So when I realized that I could make money styling shoots, and really they're just asking to borrow my clothes, honestly. Yeah. So I'm just like, sure. Like, have at it. There was a photographer named James Barnes and a photographer named Michael Carson. They're really the people who kind of made me realize that this is something that I could do professionally and make money.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

Um, once I graduated, I moved to Atlanta, met more photographers, started working with Atlanta socialite type people. Um moved to New York, did the same thing, was doing a lot of test shooting, all these things.

From Hartford to LA: Finding “More”

SPEAKER_01 20:45

And I'm just like, this is something that I'm naturally good at. It's a gift.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

Um, and it's just something that I don't, it wasn't hard. Like it wasn't a hard thing for me to do. And I'm just like, if I can make more money doing this than slaving being a PR intern, I'm doing this. And literally for the last 15 years, I it God has sustained me. Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

I, before even meeting you, I have been around you and being like, oh my God, that's Charles. Like, oh my god. Because I just thought, like, literally, like, you are that guy.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 21:21

You know what I mean? Like, for you to be in all of the rooms, for our our top artists to be like, I need Charles to style me. You know what I mean? Like, for you to be traveling and for people to be like, what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

I feel like he's that guy, you know? And I think that they see the God in you, and they obviously enjoy the gift, your creativity, but I think it's really who you are as a person that they enjoy most, you know? And God has allowed that gifting and who you are to bring you before men. And that's my prayer.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Yeah. When I die, I do not want nobody standing up at my funeral talking about Charles was fly. Please sit down. Keep it you wad up. And the pictures will prove that, but we don't need you to say that. I need y'all to say I want y'all to say Charles was kind. Charles spoke life into me. Charles gave me an opportunity. Charles took his time and gave of something. Like, I want my life to be more than Instagram or touring or like dressing. Like, I pride myself on leaving a space better than I found it.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

So I I don't think that I'm the best stylist in the world. I I'm friends with a lot of stylists and they do it better than me. And I'm okay with saying that, but I know that there is something on me that they don't have. And I walk with God's favor. His goodness and his mercy follows me. I allow God to speak through me. I allow, I don't care what environment I'm in. If I feel led or unctioned by the Holy Spirit to say something, I'm gonna say it. I tell the truth. I'm not here to pump you up or make you feel. If it don't make sense, I'm gonna say, bro, I see where What you were trying to do.

SPEAKER_03 23:14

We didn't quite hit the mark.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

That that that's just and I'm if I'm gonna put my name on it, it needs to be at a certain caliber. And I think people respect that. They they respect the truth. They respect that I'm not gonna let them look crazy because I don't want to look crazy. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 23:30

No, I think that's that's huge. And I think we are living through an era where everyone has an opinion on how we should, we as Christians, we as PKs, artists, preachers should present ourselves, right? As we have accepted the call. Um and recently there was something on my timeline about B. Simone. Shout out to B. Simone. What I'll be um about her wearing booty shorts with a blazer. And I really feel like it shouldn't still be on my timeline as long as like it's lingering. It's still here. It's still like I'm like, this was weeks ago. But it's like that's what culture focuses on. And so I wanted to ask you

PR Degree, HBCU Style, and Styling Doors

SPEAKER_03 24:20

now, we know that there are some appropriate ways and some inappropriate ways that we should be ministering the gospel. Um, but what do you feel like are no-nos with people who are leading, whether it's leading worship, leading Bible studies, intimate or large stages that can help um guide people? Because there really are people who don't know.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

There are people that absolutely are like a lot of these people are unchurched.

SPEAKER_03 24:54

There we go.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

They are saved, they're on their journey with getting to know God, but they are unchurched. They were not raised in the church. They recently found God. And I don't ever want to deter someone from being active or being involved just because you don't understand the culture. Let me teach you. And I think a lot of times we shun when we are supposed to be educating and guiding. And guiding. Okay. Um, my father taught me something that I I've kept with me for a really long time. He said the church is supposed to be a hospital. It's where the sick and the broken are supposed to come and find their healing. Yes. And if we see sick and broken and tell it that it's no good, we're not doing our job as the hospital. Yeah. And I think for me, we would think that some things are common sense. Yeah. Like let's, why, why, why? Like why? But for someone who sees church or what they do at the church as a performance or something, they're trying to present themselves in the best way they would present to perform. Yeah. You have to understand this is ministry.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

And when you're doing ministry, you don't ever want to do anything to distract from the purpose of what you're doing.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Um, you have to keep the main thing the main thing. And you putting on something or saying something or doing something that is going to prevent someone from receiving what God is giving you to pour.

SPEAKER_03 26:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

Why? Like, just why?

SPEAKER_03 26:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

Why?

SPEAKER_03 26:24

And I feel like a rule of thumb that I've always had is if I have to question it myself, then I probably shouldn't wear it.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

I love a sweatpant. I could wear a sweatpant every day of my life with a very good shoe, but just a sweatpant, I would wear a sweatpant every day of my life. I can't lead worship in a sweatpant. Yeah. It's inappropriate. And I know that my intention is not to distract. You know what I'm saying? But if someone else's level of spiritual discipline is not where mine is, I don't want to tempt someone else's flesh or distract them from what it is I'm here to do. I'm not here to be attractive. I'm not here to get attention. I'm here to lift up the name of Jesus. So whatever I'm doing needs to be aligned with what I've been called here to do.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

Period. And the booty shorts, I don't know if she was at a church or if she was at a Christian gathering. It's just, it's a distraction. It's a distraction.

SPEAKER_03 27:25

It is what it is.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

Moral of the story, don't be a distraction. Don't be a distraction. Men and women of God.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

We got too many distractions. Trap it up. Tie it up. On our timeline.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

We don't want to be a distraction. Less of that, more of him. And low-key oversized is in right now. Yeah. Cover it up, woman of God. Cover it up.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Cover it up, woman of God. Good to me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:48

Okay, so a little birdie told me that.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

We hate a birdie. I don't like no birdie. No. Them birdies are messy.

SPEAKER_03 27:57

They was chirping and was like, you know, Charles getting ordained soon. So I don't even know what title. Are we deacon, elder, apostle, bishop, prophet? So tell us

Excellence, Integrity, and Not Distracting

SPEAKER_03 28:10

more. You're getting ordained?

SPEAKER_01 28:11

It's Elder.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

Elder.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Elder. Um, I'm getting ordained. It's to be honest with you, and I think a lot of PKs will relate. I've ran from that kind of ministry my whole life. Yeah. Um, I will sing in your your praise team. I will lead worship. I will work in ministration at the church. I'll open the door. I'll clean the bathtub, the the uh pool, the baptismal pool. I don't ever want to preach.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

Even in this moment, father, I hope you're hearing me. I don't ever need to preach. Put them up there. I don't never need to preach. But I feel um, I feel honored. Um, because like I told you, me, me and my parents are very close. I speak to both of my parents every day, multiple times a day. They're really my best friends. Absolutely. So for my father to think enough of me to say that you're ready for this, or or to want to put his stamp on the ministry that I'm already doing, it means a lot to me. I think above all, I want my father in heaven to be proud of me, right? But it's something to know that your physical parents, your earthly parents, are proud to say, that is my son in who I'm well pleased. You know what I'm saying? And I'm I I try my best to live a life that's not embarrassing. I don't want to be raggedy. I don't want to be um somebody whose witness is tainted because of the way I live. And I love that um, at least from his perspective, I haven't let him down in that way. That that makes me proud.

SPEAKER_03 29:57

That's a blessing. Yeah, I'm so excited for.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

I'm excited too. I don't know what that's gonna look like. I need to find a suit for that day. Because what are we wearing? Well, I think you have to wear a robe collar and stuff. But I want a botego shoe on. It just something has to get it has to, there has to be a something. I know, again, it's not about me. I'm not trying to distract the saints. However, God has been good. And I think if I can get dressed up for the Grammys, I can get dressed up for Jesus. Hello. You know what I'm saying? So yeah. And we'll. And believe me. Okay. I will. I love it. Y'all will see the pictures. There will be no video, but you will see the pictures.

SPEAKER_03 30:38

Pictures, forthcoming.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

Yeah. Forthcoming. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:41

Okay, so since I have you here and you're creative, talk to me. I want to play a game with you. Okay. Now, you're a singer, you're soon to be an elder, you are a creative director, retired stylist. Although I pull you out of retirement. Like, what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Um they'd be pulling me out of that retirement every other day. Like, I can't even get a good nap in.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

You cannot retire. Like you're too young.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Jesus ministry stopped at 33. It did. Okay. However, and if he said greater things shall we do. Okay. So I'm 34. Let's give in.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

It's time to peace out.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

God bless you. Moving on to something else.

SPEAKER_03 31:21

Not yet. Um, we're gonna play a game called Who You Got. Okay. Look at it as the verses of games. Okay? Heard you. So I'm going to give you two artists, and you just gotta pick the first artist. Oh, that's gonna be easy. Like Battle Royale. Okay, like who you got. Now, this is a timed segment, so don't think long.

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SPEAKER_03 31:45

Okay?

SPEAKER_01 31:45

I'm very decisive person that you're going with.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

You ready?

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

Okay, let me see. Let me Okay, cool. Here we go. Trace songs or Jonathan McReynolds.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Jonathan McReynolds.

SPEAKER_03 32:00

PJ Morton or Chandler Moore? Yipes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

I love them both. Um choose you this day. Out of loyalty, I'm gonna say Chandler Moore. Out of vocal ability, though. I love PJ's music, but Chandler.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

It's gonna be PJ. Okay. Okay. It's Chandler. It's Chandler for you. It's Chandler for me. I have to say Chandler. Okay, it's Chandler Moore. All right. Um Mario or Tim Bowman. Who came up with this list?

SPEAKER_01 32:26

This is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

Because I'm a I'm an artist. I'm a music. Jesus. Mario or something.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

I just say Mario, but Tim Bowman is one of the sickest. You said Mario? Mario is like my, like Mario is my RB vote. Like, I try to sing like him. Tim, I love you. No, Tim is, Tim, you already know that long note you held. Uh Karen, I'm sorry, he ate you up on that note. Um, but okay, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

Lucky Day or Jabari Johnson?

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Jabari.

SPEAKER_03 32:55

Chris Brown or Darrell Ross?

SPEAKER_01 32:57

Yepes.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

I'm just trying to be clear on what exactly was happening.

SPEAKER_03 33:09

Not fashion.

SPEAKER_00 33:10

Not fashion, but like not dance or entertainment, but it's strictly voice, okay? Okay, voice. I'm gonna go with Daryl. We're gonna go with Daryl. We're gonna go with Daryl. Oh, that's funny to me. That's a great question. But anything else other than that voice, we're going with Chris. Okay, sorry, go.

SPEAKER_03 33:26

Okay. Charlie Wilson or Marvin Sapp?

SPEAKER_01 33:30

Oh, Charlie Wilson.

SPEAKER_03 33:31

Tank or Smokey Norfolk.

unknown 33:33

Ow.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

Y'all are trying it with these questions. Tank or I don't, that's disrespectful. I feel like that's disrespectful. That is disrespectful. Tank or Smokey Norfolk. Ooh, I'm going with Smokey. Tank, Tank, Mario and Tank are my top two RB singers. You going with Smokey? I just gotta my my loyalty, just loyalties. I'm loyal.

SPEAKER_03 33:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

There's a hymn that says loyalty, loyal, loyalty to Christ. You have to be little. I am loyal.

SPEAKER_03 34:05

The buzzer has buzzed, but we gave you that because we knew that that was disrespectful.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Whoever came up with those, that list, I I want y'all to know that I love every single person she named. I have all of your songs in my my thing. There is no shade. But that list was disrespectful.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

Oh my gosh. Okay, so should I give you one more? Yeah, talk to me. Let me give you one last one.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

I'm here.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Bonus round.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

Bonus.

SPEAKER_03 34:32

Kenyan Dixon or Zacardi Cortez.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

Zaccardi. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Kenny.

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SPEAKER_01 34:40

Kenny. Kenny got so. Kenny, you I love you, Kenny. You got so, and I love you. I'm going with Zaccardi.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

Those were those are that's who he got. That's who Kenny was a little Charles. I'm like a quartet. I like a little we do. A little grind. Oh, a little bit. Anybody got it? Okay, we do love that. Um before we leave, because we can do this audio.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

Are we leaving already? Because I'm more of a well, less of a cup. So I have no, I'm just jumping.

SPEAKER_03 35:11

The well that won't run dry. I mean, we can have you back season two once we sponsored and all of our, you know, the lights and stuff gotta get paid.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

I mean, after they see this, it's definitely getting it's getting picked up. Actually, I'm speaking it now. It's getting picked up.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 35:27

There's gonna be at least how many? I heard five. I heard five seasons. I heard five. And then God is gonna do something else. It's gonna be like a network thing where you it's it's no longer a podcast. It's yeah, it's it's a show. It's like a TV show.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

Yeah, but okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 35:45

Oh my god, no baby, I'm on the show. Let me come back. Thank you for that. Oh, okay. Advice you would give PKs that are navigating self-discovery, um, trying to balance multiple giftings, not knowing what to lean into, um, branching out into new territory. Yeah, you can just look at this camera, give them an encouraging word, advice, or a prayer, whatever you feel led to do.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

Advice-wise is grace. Have grace for yourself. Um, you're not your parents, you're not the people around you. Don't compare because your journey is extremely unique. Um I've never done anything the conventional way. Yeah, no great success happened the way somebody told me it was supposed to. So you have to be able to flow with God, allow him to lead you, and don't get stuck in one thing or one opportunity. Don't think just because it's the best thing that ever happened, I have to hold on to it. Let the past go and be loyal only to your future. Whatever God has is more. So the quicker you're able to say that was amazing and that door is closed, the quicker God can expose you to something greater. Um, so yeah, just have grace for yourself, have grace for others, move with integrity. Um, value relationships. People are not disposable. Every gig I've ever gotten has been a phone call to me.

SPEAKER_03 37:28

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

I've never called anyone

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SPEAKER_01 37:30

or asked anybody to do anything. And that's not to say that's that's gonna be everybody's testimony, but I say that to say I value people, I move with integrity, I care about what my impact was in a room of people. And because people can trust me, they can trust my character, they can trust the level of work I'm going to produce because I'm not gonna do less just because you're paying me less. If you hire me, I'm giving you my best. And if you move with that level of integrity and value relationship, you'll always get the call.

SPEAKER_03 38:03

Wow. Yeah, I love that. Charles, I love you. Thank you so much for stopping by. Thank you. BPK Pod. I have fun. This was this is so fun.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

Please have me back. I want to. I let me ask first. Okay, sorry. Will you come back? Well, the Bible says to ask and you shall receive. Hello. I was just gonna go ahead and ask. Because I believe what the word says. When it's a show, when the coin when the corn.

SPEAKER_03 38:31

Literally, when it's live, I'm pulling you back out of retirement because I want the Charles back now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you. I want them to know like Charles did that. You feel what I'm saying? You know what I mean? And then you'll be ordained elder, so then you can also then come and preach. Okay, so he agreed here. He agreed here first on the next one.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

None of that last that B clause. Nothing happened if that B clause is redline that whole B clause.

SPEAKER_03 38:58

We need the elder to come and pour out, huh? Yes, we're excited about your your elevation in the ministry. Amen. And we are supporting you on your journey. I appreciate it. Like your faith journey, all of your journeys. Just know that we here at the PK Pie, we're rooting for Charles always. Likewise. Because we support our people. Period. Thank y'all for tuning in to this episode. Subscribe, click the link in bio, and we'll see you next week. If you enjoyed today's episode, we would love for you to stay connected with us on Instagram and TikTok by following us at the PK Pod. We share clips and behind the scenes from episodes like today where you can continue in the conversation. We would love for you guys to be a part of our community by following us at the PK Pod. Until next time, family, have an amazing day.