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Brenda Palmer On Faith, Singleness, And Saying Yes

• Jasmine Edwards • Season 2 • Episode 4

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What happens when a church kid who swore off ministry says yes to God one step at a time?

Author, preacher, and former TV producer Brenda Palmer shares her journey from Chicago street ministry to LA production rooms to preaching her first sermon in 2021. She opens up about obedience over optics, choosing community over clout, and how one simple prayer became a viral testimony of healing.

We also dive into singleness—dating apps, attraction vs. anointing, sexual integrity, and why the church needs to disciple singles beyond relationship advice. Brenda’s perspective is honest, practical, and deeply hopeful.

Plus, she shares the heart behind her bestselling book The Journey of Yes, her leap into itinerant ministry, and how she filters influence in a viral world.

If this conversation stirred your courage, follow, share, and leave a review. Your yes might unlock someone else’s breakthrough.

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Warm Welcome And PK Pod Setup

SPEAKER_02

Friends, associates, colleagues, people of the Lord. We are in for a treat on tonight. I had to put on my churchy voice because I just felt that like deep down in my shondo. Y'all, we have a very, very, very special individual on the pod on tonight. She is an author. She is a preacher. She is an influencer. She is literally just that girl. A voice for the nations is what I want to say. Y'all make some noise, put some heart in the chat for the Brenda Palmer.

SPEAKER_03

What an introduction. You need me to go on the road. Would you want to do that? Yes. Wow. I can rehearse. Wow.

SPEAKER_02

I can rehearse. I can rehearse now. Get all my inflections at the right points. I'm weak. I'm weak. Oh, my Lady Gaga. Brenda. I'm weak. You are here? I am. I'm so excited. Thank you for having me. I'm like beyond thrilled.

SPEAKER_03

Aww.

SPEAKER_02

Like, really and truly. Because duh. We're about to have some girl talk. Duh. We're about to have some tea time in the sanctuary, literally. Um, the PK Pod is a platform that highlights our PKs and our CKs, our church kids. Because we all have platforms, but they may not be the pulpit. Hello, somebody.

SPEAKER_03

Hello, somebody.

SPEAKER_02

Um, but your platform is the pulpit, huh? You know, it's where the Lord placed me. It's where the Lord has placed you. I'm grateful. And we are so grateful for your yes. Um I'm so excited, but I wanna, before we get to the now, like we gotta reverse, reverse. Okay. Let's go back to the beginning of time. Um, let's call it Baby Brenda era. Um, I'm assuming, and I'm making a big assumption that you were born under a pew like me, and your parents were either pastors, preachers, ministers, one of them ers or er, um, because you got the oil on down on the inside. It's a distinct oil. And so

Brenda’s Unconventional PK Roots

SPEAKER_02

correct me if I'm wrong. So tell us, tell us about you.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so I am a PK, right? But it's in a unique way. So I wasn't born under a pew. I actually was born in wedlock, outside of wedlock, as the saints would say. Um, and my parents got saved. So uh my parents got married when I was four. So they had both been married previously before meeting each other, and then out there tipping and dipping, okay? My mama had her tubes tied, and I still came. So I was like not planned. They weren't trying to be together either. Um, so I would say I left they're the first people I led to the Lord. Uh essentially. So they became, they got saved and then became pastors. Like they were my parents, my dad was a youth pastor. They used to run um the drug ministry. So we used to do street ministry like in the middle of Chicago, like out on the west side of Chicago, like praying for drug addicts. Like I'm like sitting and looking back, I'm like, dang, my parents was really outside doing the real ministry. Um, and then when I was about 14, my dad became like a pastor of his own church. So he ran like a small storefront church that also was a community center. So we just was in church all year round, all day, every day, um, because they we were like the heart of that community. Um, then they had like a restaurant in there, like a summer camp. So, like I always say, like, my parents are first generation pastors. So I feel like I had trauma from church, but not because they were, they were like pretty chill. Like I still got to do whatever I wanted to do. I just was worn out because we worked so hard. So by the time I was 18, I was like, y'all can have this. Yeah, this is your life, not mine. And so I started like I I worked, I worked that finish line and I started saying, like, I gotta work today. I can't come. Because I was running the audio, like my daddy church was old. So, like, I don't know. If you're a PK, you might know this. Yep, yep. The projector and the the thing that stood up and you projected. They use it at your school too. But that's where we did the lyrics for the songs that were being played on the CD that I had to make the set list for the night before. And I was moving the lyrics. So I also was dancing and leading the younger, it just was too much because you were volunteering.

SPEAKER_01

But whose church is this? Yours or mine? Like, what is this? Oh, goodness.

SPEAKER_02

So when we say that PKs need a specific type of therapist, listen, you have to be very you need to be able to unpack all of this. The the trauma that we have as PKs is a different type of trauma. Yeah, for sure. Because we did not ask for any of this. None of it. And literally, we were voluntary to do all of it.

SPEAKER_03

All the things. And then like the pressure, right? Like, and I would say a lot of it was internal, right? I think even as an adult, there is still like this idea of like wanting to be good. Um, and then like I'm the child that they had as they got saved, so I really gotta be good, you know? And so I think like all of that, it was like, child, I'm not gonna be good. It's not necessary. I'm gonna do what I want to do. Yeah. Um, so I think like, yeah, all of those things, um, and then watching my parents give a lot, and then watching people like be offended and leave. It's like, bro, my daddy took care of your five kids and you, and now he's just nothing, you know? Um, and then my parents were bivocational, so they both still worked full-time jobs, and then when my dad did retire, my mom was still working full-time. Like, my mom ran a business. Like, so I'm like, I seen a lot. Um, and I'm at like in hindsight, grateful. Um, I think like being introduced to the Lord at a young age gave me the foundation I needed so that when I did meet Jesus face to face, like I had something to pull from.

SPEAKER_02

So when did you like, how long were you there in Chicago? Like, did you leave immediately? Like at the first, like finish line, and we out.

SPEAKER_03

I went to uh undergrad in Mississippi Valley. Yep. My aunt was like, you are not gonna last in no Mississippi. She's like, you ain't never been to as a girl, up out of here. Let me tell you. And like I,

Street Ministry And Storefront Church Life

SPEAKER_03

I the Lord really looked out because my aunt moved my uh second semester of my freshman year. She moved to Memphis. So every weekend, all me and all the Chicago kids in my little G6 Pontiac, driving up the road, like feed us, give us some civilization so we can survive the country. Um and so yeah, I did. I did last four years. I love Mississippi Valley. It's like a family. Um, so I did that. Then I went immediately to grad school. I went to Syracuse for grad school. I studied television, radio, and film because I was gonna be a television producer. Um, so that was a goal. And then I was supposed to move to LA right away. So that would have been 2014, and it still started falling apart. And I'm I'm not built to live in my car. My daddy takes really good care of me. And I just was like, mmm, I can't see it, you know, which that wouldn't have happened, but I think I just I couldn't risk it. Because who's trying to live in a car? Let me tell you, and then who's trying to pay to get back home? It's like I can just stay. Like, um, and then I started like, you know, working and doing like little small stuff, um, still trying to get in the industry. Then I started working at a church, um, and I moved to LA in 2018. Wow. And you still here?

SPEAKER_02

I'm still here. Listen. Yeah. Okay, so been in LA since 2018. How have you navigated, like, find a community here? Because I think people, especially transplants, although you're not a no more transplant. Um, but I think people move to LA with a certain expectation of, you know, it'll be like, I mean, how hard could it be? Because it gotta be like home and it's here and it is completely opposite. Like, so how was it for you, like just finding navigating community here?

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so I feel like I had a little bit of a cheat code uh because my friend Randy moved here in 2016 and he just he just know people. Like, so then also if you're from Chicago, don't matter what what city we in, we always go and link up. So I feel like naturally Chicago people just we're gonna find each other and we're gonna be like there for each other. So I think like when I first moved here, I lived with Randy for like the first three months. So that that kind of was helpful. It was jarring because in LA, I don't know how it is now because I'm not on the scene or anybody's scene. I'm like, I be one of the places and I'm like, all right, I'm ready to go. But it used to be like you would go and nobody would ask you your name. The first thing they asked is like, what do you do? And it was just like, it kind of was like your value is based off what you could do for me or what room you could get me in, or who you know. And that's a different type of pressure, right? Because most people who move here are trying to get into um an end, like the industry. I feel like I had a lot of favor when I first got here. Like, um, there's an organization called like the Hollywood Prayer Network, and it's like believers who are in the industry, but it's not like they're up and coming. I'm talking about like uh David O'Yellow, like my first breakfast was like a producer's brunch, and we're sitting there with the people who are like head executives at DreamWorks and Netflix, and they're all believers. And so I feel like I got like a foot in or um on community like that way, because I was very clear that like because I the Lord made me wait, that moving to LA was an assignment. So my focus was different. I was still trying to be a producer, but I was like, I understood I couldn't do it the way I would have done it had I came here a little bit differently. Um, and then church, like when I came here, I started going to one. And I think like even now, like those of us in the industry is like if you went to one, you know. Like, and so I think that was really helpful. Like going to one and then just finding your tribe, but just being careful. And also, the next place I lived, I lived in a house with like five girls, like in Van Nuys, and everybody was like in a different industry. Like, um, I don't know, you know, KP. Um, so KP was my roommate. Um, my friend Nick West, she's back in Cleveland now. Um, and then Kiki is a worship leader at a church out here. So like everybody was like working, struggling. We all in this house, you know what I'm saying? Some by some people got jobs, some people got stamps, you know what I'm saying? So it was like, I don't got a job, y'all, but I got the groceries. I got $800, you know what I'm saying? I got the groceries, you know. So yeah, because it's so fickle, you know what I'm saying? So I think like you just we all chancing it. And so I think like community came organically, um, even though you like, you, you know what I'm saying? You jump in and then you like, I thought this was and it wasn't that. Okay, bye. Yeah, but for the most part, I

Leaving Home And Chasing Media Dreams

SPEAKER_03

think finding people like that's also pursuing the stuff you're pursuing, there's an understanding of what we do, and we invite people in, or I'm putting you on because we rock like that. You know what I'm saying? So I think like just being able to find genuine people, but I think for the most part, I did early on. Like I had feel like I had a cheat code. I love that.

SPEAKER_02

Because most people don't have that. Yeah, I know. And they in LA is very transactional. So you're right. It still to this day is what do you do? Yeah. Like that's like in the first, if not the first question, it's the second question.

SPEAKER_03

And I started going, I'm hi, I'm Brenda. Nice to meet you. Because that's weird, right? And then like, what if what if today I'm like, I'm a server? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And then it's just it just puts all this pressure. That's how people, you know what I'm saying, end up in depressed or on drugs because we're everybody's putting on to be something that they're not. And most people you putting on for, they not it either. Everybody out here lie. Everybody a fraud. And it's crazy because that's not even like LA. You meet somebody who's from LA, they're gonna be some of the most down-to-earth, outgoing, nice, kind people. It's like, it's everybody who came here and decided that's this is what Hollywood is, and then just started like, it's weird. And that's exactly what I was gonna say. I was like, if you really meet LA people, yeah. The best people are some of the best people, real. I'm like, okay, y'all got like Chicago vibes, but they like hood proper. Uh-huh. I'm like, why are y'all proper? Like, I don't I love it. Because it's California, it is, but it's like hood.

SPEAKER_02

And I'm like, you you use your R. Like, be a booy. Definitely do. Um, okay, I love that. So community organically, for sure. Um being out here since 2018, obviously, we've had to navigate dating some kind of way.

SPEAKER_01

Ugh.

SPEAKER_03

Pew. It's like LA is fluid. And that's scary.

SPEAKER_02

Perfect description is fluid. Like, thank you. I didn't even thank you, Brenda. That like you gave it language because I I had this thought this morning. I was like, I'm so tired of like human beings giving up on heterosexual relationships and and their give up is I'ma just same-sex it. Like, who decided that? Like, who decided, like, you know what? My my last boyfriend, he pissed me off so bad. I like girls today. And I feel like, why is that being like, it's like a thing because the culture's feeding that through television, like they're starting to make it more of the norm. Yeah, like it's just like this is. Like, I don't subscribe to anything, just agency. I'm like, I don't demonic. It's very much demonic. Hello. Um, but it's literally taking over.

SPEAKER_03

That's wild.

SPEAKER_02

And I don't like it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I don't, and I don't, I don't, I don't know if I will uh no, I do know. I will never be that mad. Ever.

SPEAKER_01

And I and I I done been through some things, you know?

SPEAKER_03

No, no, no. And I don't know why that's that's a that is well, first of all, that's a lie. You've been you've been thought that. And now your heartbreak has created a door for that that's been there to go ahead and manifest. Yes. But no, no, no, thank you. Do not pass that. I I will just, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

Hold to his hand.

SPEAKER_03

Hold on to it's unchanging. Because it's unchanging. So no thank you.

SPEAKER_02

I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so wait, so yeah, tell us how has dating been for you? No, I don't even think I date in LA. I have like, okay, so I came to LA off a traumatic experience that I needed to heal from. So I didn't um I didn't date right away for sure. Good. Um, and then I started dating during the pandemic. Well, right before the pandemic, I worked at TBN as a producer on a women's talk show called Better Together. And all the single ladies were like, let's try online dating. And I'm like, I never tried that. Like, nice little experiment. And they're like, let's try Bumble, because Bumble, like, you initiate. I actually don't like that. I changed my mind. I was like, okay, cool. So then I started like the idea of that, right? And then the pandemic happens, and then I started doing that. And then, you know, it was very much like, girl, I'm just, you know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to smash. And I appreciated people who were very honest about that. Um, and then I went on my first date, and on his profile, it said like he was like he went to a Bible college. It said he was a PK. Okay, when I got there, he was an atheist. And he also identified as y'all know how y'all love these horoscopes. He was like, I'm a Scorpio. So that means, you know, I guess that means he was like a freak. And he wanted to express that. And then here

Moving To LA And Finding Community

SPEAKER_03

I am. You know what I'm saying? Like, um, sir, that was never going down, but it definitely wasn't going down on the first day of us having coffee quarantined because we're outside having coffee, and um, I spent that, and he felt like I should have put in my profile that I was a virgin. And he was like, that's the equivalent if you had three kids. And I was like, what? And then he was like, why you not on Christian mingle? Like it was it was very traumatic, actually. Because this is my first date since my trauma, two years later. And I do remember leaving that date, crying in the Chick-fil-A park, like driveway. Because Chick-fil-A is gonna make everything feel better. And I was like, God, like, is this really my life? Like, is this what you've left me with?

SPEAKER_01

Because I'm also not only defending my stance and like I'm not just out here trying to, you know, I'm saying, well, let me watch my language because I already got in trouble to use terms that were not appropriate for a preacher. This is the safe state.

SPEAKER_03

To me, isn't it what I'm saying? Like, I ain't just trying to be loose, you know, for the streets, right? And so I'm defending that, but also he doesn't believe in the Lord. So now I'm also defending my faith. I'm like, I didn't know I signed up for an apologetics course. I just wanted to go on a date for coffee. And it was really rough. Like, cause he was like, You would really turn down a good man. First of all, who said you were a good man? He was like, You would really turn down a good man for religion. I said, Well, so I don't, I don't know about religion, but my faith is very much a part of like it's my life. Like it's my life is governed according to like what I believe. And he's like, I'm saying though, you would really, yes, I would. And I'm walking away. And he's like, I mean, it's not that deep. I said, Well, how would we raise our children? Like, what would what would we teach them? Because they would be very confused. Yeah. And he's like, nah, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, it was bad. And I do remember crying at Chick-fil-A line going, Lord, if this is what you have left me with. And I feel like I thought, like, I'm like, Lord, I didn't meant the one. Yeah. Um, so that one was rough. That is rough. Um, and then I I did have a good date. Um, I used to live in the Inland Empire. So I lived in Temecula. And I went on a date with this guy. He was from Chicago. He lived in San Diego. We were talking for like a month and a half. I had tickets to Alex Isley. I'm like, okay. You know what I'm saying? So we went to the we went to the concert. Now I was a little confused because he Ubered.

SPEAKER_02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03

And I drove. Oh. And this is your city, while you Ubered. I said, but I'm not, you know what I'm saying? And we like great conversation, you know, people watching, doing what Chicago people do, you know, talk about people that are coming in while waiting on the concert. And then, like, while I'm talking to him, like, I hear the Lord say no. And I'm like, uh-uh, I like him. He's funny. We're the same. He's from Chicago. He was like older. And I'm like, the Lord didn't say that. Like, that's me. And we like, we're on the date, and then he's like, let's go get some food. And I'm thinking, like, we're downtown San Diego. Like, surely there's a place here. He's like, nah, like these places closing. Like, we should drive and get some food. So we go to like Buffalo Wild Waits. And we're sitting there. And he starts talking about sex. Like he's been, you know, abstaining for a little while. I think just to see how long he could go. I don't even know if it was connected to anything. And he's like, you know, and I've been watching these videos. So you ain't really been abstaining. Because you've been practicing, you've been saying you've been learning. You've been educating yourself. And he's like, man. He's like, he's like, I have some stuff I want to try. And I'm like, what? I'm like, now I haven't been on a date in a while. But I'm like, surely this is not first date talk. He was like, you know, I'm just, I'm just trying to see. And I'm like, see what? Well, sir, let me help you. This that's not gonna happen. And so then I like started, you know, like explaining to him, and he's like, dang. He was like, Yeah, you can't mess with me. He said, because I'm gonna make it hard. And I was like, is this the Lord like exposing you? Because is this normal? Like this is you you are comfortable. He was serious. He was like, nah, like I'm telling you, like, and I was like, I gotta go. And so I'm like, so you calling a oh, you want me to drive you home? Okay. I drive Oh, absolutely. I drive him home, and you know, we're saying goodnight, and I'm like, I gotta get I I gotta go. Cause this this is not gonna end well. And he's like, man, like it's far, you know, for you to drive. He's like, you could just come in. He's like, you could just you could just lay on the couch. I said, I will lay on the side of the road before I come in your house because I'm not gonna leave the way I can. So no. Like I will pull over and get out of my car and lay on the side of the road before I come and lay on your couch. Because who's doing it? And like, and it's funny too, right? Because I'm like, I also know better in a sense. Of the like the things I was like listening to and engaging with prior to hanging out with him were just like creating this lustful like thing. It's almost like lust actualized and showed up as a person. And I was like, ah,

Transactional Culture Versus Real Connection

SPEAKER_03

gotta be careful with that. And so then, like, I'm I'm driving home and telling my friends, and they're like, Brenda, cut this off. And I'm like, I feel like we need to break up. You know, like I need to tell him. And they're like, no, you do not. That meant, no, you don't need to ever see him again. I'm like, no, I think I one more. I said, that's that is my flesh. Talk about one more day. Because why? No, cut this off immediately. And that because that's what the Lord was saying. He's like, this is detrimental to your calling. Because the truth is, I would have had sex with that boy.

unknown

Wow.

SPEAKER_03

It's true. And so I was like, yeah. So that was probably like, yeah, that was, I was done with LA dating, like in California. Um, and then like now, like you meet people, but it's a person of influence, it gets harder because I'm visible everywhere. So like, even when I was doing, like, I'm probably still on Facebook dating. I don't use it. And one guy matched with me. He was like, I knew you looked familiar. You preached that one. I was like, why would you ever send that? You think I'm gonna respond to this? Was that like a you could have kept it to yourself, could have act like you didn't know me. They don't be knowing what to say. And that is a problem. Because he immediate no.

SPEAKER_02

Like somebody got who would mean somebody got to teach a class.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I don't, I don't know. And then I think for me, I always end up in a gray area because I'm like, I'm not sure if you're actually attracted to me or to my anointing. And so I don't ever know what to do. Like, cause are you wanting me to pastor you or are you trying to date me? Like, so I think where most guys will be like, just relax. It's like I actually can't afford to play in the gray. Like, I'm not saying you gotta ask me to marry you tomorrow, but I think early on, my preference would be that you make your intentions clear because I don't know who's supposed to show up here.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And so you could really be trying to, you know what I'm saying, send me, and I'm like, I don't read that. Yeah, you just gotta say. And not because I'm trying to put pressure, it's just because I need to know how to navigate this because of the position I hold. So that it makes it a little bit difficult. So now I'm like, Laura, you just the one, I think the one who it is, like, he ain't gonna be scared. Like, and he'll be direct, he'll be like, girl, I'm not even worried about nothing you're talking about. Like you, my wife. Yeah. And I think too, like, I think there is the assumption of like the whole independent thing. It's like, I'm independent because I have to be, because it's just me. Um, but I actually do not want that in a relationship. I don't want to lead. I have to lead in every area of my life. And I want to be like, you know what? Ask my husband. Brenda, what do you? I don't want to think. I don't want to drive. I want to be a passenger princess in life. I don't want to pump gas.

SPEAKER_02

I don't want to take out the trash. None. I don't want to have to get an oil change. It's just a long laundry list of things that I no longer want to do.

SPEAKER_03

And here's the thing, right? Because somebody's gonna be like, marriage is so much more than that. I'm aware of like the kingdom implications in marriage. That's why I'm just gonna be out here settling for a ring. Because we could have one. Hello. You know what I'm saying? We could Hello. So for all the deep. That's not what this is about. Swipe. But also, as a single woman, I want to be clear on the struggles. Yes. And very hard. Hard and just natural. I was like, and because the world is fallen, I don't think it was the Lord's original intent for me to be single in my 30s. Yeah. Like, I you can't tell me that. The way my the way my body is changing and things are, I say it now.

SPEAKER_01

Holding down in my 20s was easy. But my 30 year old body is doing some things. And I'm like, women of mothers, because y'all needed to have been telling us this. Somebody get the sheets out. Listen, and I know the mothers didn't know because they was about women at 22, okay? But you do what happened to your body at 35. You could have let a sister know. Because stuff is any different. I didn't, I used to be able to, you know, things I used to do.

SPEAKER_02

I can't do that. That's why they say that. That's what I used to do. I can't do no more. That can to everybody. I used to be in their 30s.

SPEAKER_03

I'm saying, like, I used to be able to, you know, watch something and then not, I'm like, all right, uh, you got to fast forward what's happening. What is happening? This was a good movie. It's why body starts. It's why your flesh has to be surrendered to the Lord. That's not even, I'm I'm like, we laughing while we're so serious. The fight has gotten harder, and I'm like, I don't think it was the Lord's original intent. But because we live in a fallen world and men

Singleness And Dating In LA

SPEAKER_03

our age would rather not.

SPEAKER_02

It's just like, I don't know. I'm curious if you, I'm I'm sure you have. One of the things that I experience in this single season of singleness is that a lot of men are intimidated, right? Just like at first, so intimidated to the point where they don't even want to approach. Yeah. And I I was thinking about this the other day because somebody asked me at church, like, Jazz, you always out of town. You are like, do you even like how you dating? I'm like, I'm not dating. I say, but it's so interesting that the perception is I'm too busy traveling. Like, imagine being intimidated by me enjoying my life, right? But then it's not what you bring to the table. You know what I'm saying? Like, what? It's like, but but also like the Bible says, he that finds the wife findeth a good thing, he obtains the favor. Imagine being intimidated by the favor on my life. When you two can have it, you say we could have frolic together in Switzerland.

SPEAKER_03

We can be across the seven seas. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think I think of a lot of things. It's funny that you said that because I only more recently have I started saying, like, yeah, like I want to be married, I want to have children. And the amount of people that I say that to, and they're like, really? And I'm like, so because it's not the headline of my life, it's not in my bio, like there was an assumption that I didn't want that. And is it because I'm living my life? Because what would y'all like me to do? Would you like me to stay at home and do what?

SPEAKER_02

They want you to be outside. The people want us to be outside, sitting out there just like, hey, like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03

And I think like the intimidation thing is really crazy because I'm like, and I get it. I I think I can also present, you know, strongly. But I'm like, if you just had a conversation with me, like, especially like any guy I ever talk to, they will be like, oh, you actually really like, yeah, I'm I'm out here fighting for my life.

SPEAKER_01

But I'm a girl, okay? I'm the baby, I'm the youngest of 10, okay? My daddy takes, I'm telling you, okay. I'm, you know what I'm saying? Well taken care of. I'm not spoiled, but I'm well taken care of.

SPEAKER_03

So I'm like, I have no problems with letting you be a man. Yeah. Because I don't want to be him. Yeah. Um, and so I think it's that. And I remember talking to a guy who just could not believe that I was interested in him. And so it was like, I'm like, okay, now I'm overcompensating. And I'm like, okay, this isn't gonna work because you got your own stuff that you and I can't keep like trying to convince you that I'm interested.

SPEAKER_04

I'm here.

SPEAKER_03

Like, I don't know what you want me to do. Okay, like, what else? Here I am.

SPEAKER_01

What else? Okay.

SPEAKER_03

So I'm like, that is it. But I also think like for me, a person to be intimidated by me is a clear sign that they're not the one. Because the reality is all that I am and all that God has placed inside of me gets submitted to my husband and comes underneath. So if you are intimidated, there's no way you can steward it. So thank you for that and God bless you. Goodbye. You know what I'm saying? So I think for me, it's like gospel going, baby girl, that's not it. Because also, as much as I've already accomplished, there are some things that are designed for my husband to call out of me. And if you are intimidated by what you see, ain't no way you could cultivate what ain't seen. Wow. And so I think like, yeah, I don't, I don't understand that. I think what I've come to learn is like it's a you problem. Yeah. Now, can I be a little more like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I do, I feel like I do that because of who I am. I I do feel like I like inch a little bit. So at least you're aware that I'm interested, but I'm not finna chase you. And I'm I'm I'm sorry, I don't I don't want to pursue you.

SPEAKER_02

Let's just have a moment of silence for all the men that want to be pursued. I think that's the dumbest thing. I really do. I think it's so dumb. And yeah, but no, like, who raised you?

SPEAKER_03

No, yeah, and I'm like, and honestly, you won't you won't last in my family because they they they don't got it all. All the the screws ain't and they will clown you know for real and then clown me for bringing you. And I I don't want that kind of smoke. So no, thank you. Because my brothers, they are they are they ain't rap type. None of them. Yep, yep. And so I think like, yeah, I think that I think, yeah. Now again, I do think there's a way I can let you know I'm interested. Yeah. Um, but then after that, ball's in your court.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And if I don't, and here's the thing, I think like what people were saying, like, if he wanted to, he would. Yeah. I think a lot of guys don't be interested, but they also don't know how to say that. And they do like the attention you're giving them. They do like that you're present and you're available, but they are not interested in being anymore, anything more than your friend. And so we also have to do better at stewarding those spaces, right? Because we are desiring, we are too also getting like the emotional connection when he has no intentions of taking this further than it is. And the moment he finds his wife, baby girl, you can hang it up. Yeah. And so I think like that's something I learned too. Like, okay, now Brenda, you can't like give too much because you're trying to help, and it's like, he don't want to be helped.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Because I've also come across people who are very clear about what they want. It's just very clear. Yeah. It's very clear. So I think like, yeah, being able to navigate that and then also like not making, letting people make you lower your standards. That's the one. Because it's like, because now you're like, well, you're 35 now. I am. Yeah. And I deserve, you know what I'm saying? And I there are like the shallow things that we can go, like, okay, I could, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

But like, I'm not sleeping with you. If I, if I have literally, and ain't no if. So I have, I'm 30, I'm 37. So I got two years on you. Okay. For all 37 years on this earth, have been literally saving myself from marriage. Woo-hoo. Virgin culture. Woohoo. Purity movement, all the things. Used to have a purity movement, all the things. Imagine me being 37 and then deciding on just um random. Ain't no way I'm gonna waste it.

SPEAKER_01

Because then I'm a couple times. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So why would I be like now at the common day? Because if I'm just gonna, you know what I'm saying? It would have been, then there's one on the list. I'd be like, Nell'or, hello, huh? If I'm just gonna waste a sin, okay?

SPEAKER_02

It's gonna have to be Shaman Moore. It

Boundaries, Faith, And First-Date Red Flags

SPEAKER_02

gotta be the cream of the cry.

SPEAKER_03

Because, huh? Yeah, that too. And it's like, no, no, thank you. And like, but that's the thing about the stand.

SPEAKER_02

I think people think because we're getting older that our standards should lower. And I'm like, no, that makes dating so much more challenging because when people know that, they automatically are like, oh, you know, Miss Goody Two Shoes. I remember being at um my nephew's birthday party recently, and my brother, all his friends, everybody got kids, and they're not as soul married. And I walked in and they said, So, Jazz, when you gonna have when you gonna have kids? You getting up there? I was like, was that really the question? Like, when am I having kids? And they were like, like, it was that the thought wasn't marriage. Because none of them are married. Yeah. But the thought was, when are you having kids? I said, Oh yeah, I forgot that this is literally like for sure.

SPEAKER_03

And no, and I and here's how I know the Lord. I I know if I slip up, there's gonna be a key. Absolutely positive. Because I just I said you an example. He said, play with if you want to. And I ain't gonna hold you like, you know what I'm saying? The Lord has kept me, but some of them years it was fear. So I was like, it's gonna be me. It's I'm gonna be the one. Because my mom had twins first time, 16. He, the guy she was dating, he was going to prison. And she was like, Well, I'm gonna just, you know what I'm saying, give him some on his way. He said, Let me, you know what I'm saying, drop you off double for your trouble. So I I have that. Because even though my parents were pastors, my mama would just be like, girl, all right, you don't want no kids. You don't listen. Because by the, I think by the time she was 19, she had three and married by 21. So she's like, and all she had to say to me was, you have kids, girl, they gotta go everywhere you go, you can't go nowhere. And I was a person who likes to go. And that was enough for me. I said, You rap.

SPEAKER_02

Mm-mm. Because I cannot, I can't do that.

SPEAKER_03

Like, I just No, I like I like to go.

SPEAKER_02

I like my freedom, I like my quiet time, and it's a gift.

SPEAKER_03

Like, I don't be sitting at home twiddling my thumbs. Like, oh now, are there moments where I'm like, yeah, and it's usually high moments. It's usually like when things are going well, it's like, man, I really would love to be able to share this moment with somebody. Um, I think those are the moments most when I'm like, hey God. You know what I'm saying? Christmas too, like, I think is when I start going like, dang, like I'm ready to have my own family and have like my own traditions. Because I typically do Christmas in LA because it's cold everywhere else. Hello. Um, so I'm gonna go to the beach and go to the grove and look at the Christmas tree with the sun shining and my short sleeves on. And I think so there are like moments where I'm like, okay, God, like this is something that I desire, and I think that I become more aware of it at certain moments. But I I enjoy life. Like, I have amazing friends. I have a best friend who has two children and a husband, and and I, you know what I'm saying? I, you know, there'd be moments where I'll be like, I want that. And then I look at it and I go, in your time, Lord. In your time. Yeah. It's a thing. Yeah. Because like we are out hanging out at karaoke, and she's like, oh, you know? So there is like a balance, right? Like, I'm good, and then sometimes I'm not good. And then I give it to the Lord, and I'm like, you know, whenever you're ready.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So I think like being able to find enjoyment in it and not letting people put their own discontent with their lives on you. Because sometimes I feel like you just want to say something about me because you ain't really happy with your own life. Hello. And it's like, nah, like, I've been gifted this because the Lord knew he could trust me with it.

SPEAKER_02

That's good.

SPEAKER_03

And being able to shape that perspective, because I also know there are a lot of people who are single who enjoy it and they want to stay single. And I need the church to stop making us feel like we're less than because we don't have somebody to call our husbands. Especially when the majority of the demographic of the church is single. Or so y'all marriage and marriage and family series, yeah, and y'all are the minority. Not knocking a marriage and family series, but the marriage and family series should also include single people. And and not enough churches are doing that anymore. No, or singles in leadership. I think that's a huge thing. It's like we we want to see representation, right? You want to be able to be like, man, this is somewhere I belong, and everybody in leadership is married. Well, where do I fit in? Yeah, in the kids' ministry. I'm grateful that all the churches I ever served at, like, I've always held senior leadership roles as a single woman. Yeah. And a single black woman.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, but I was always the only one. Wow. Like, it's like I'm single. And I I don't even think they probably really thought much about that. I think I just was great at my job. But it didn't, they it didn't allow them, it didn't hinder them. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, or it didn't hinder them allowing me to be all of who I was because I was single, because I know a lot of people who don't like, and that's unfortunate. Yeah, I can recognize it when I go other places, and I realize I'm not being treated the same way.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And I'm like, oh, it's because I'm not married. You think I'm a kid. I'm like, that's crazy. Literally. I'm really grown.

SPEAKER_01

Like now, now I'm 35. Now I'm really grown.

SPEAKER_02

Like, I was a kid at 32, but now I'm 30, I'm almost 40. I'm grown, grown. Yep. Yep. I get to say, like, I'm going to say that. And really, it really be true.

SPEAKER_03

So, like, and so I do, I do, my prayer is that the more I keep talking about this, that the church starts to go, okay, how can we serve this demographic better? Shout out to one community church in Plano, Texas. They have a singles conference. It's the first conference they have every year at their church. And it, they have, they have like six campuses. They have a really big church. And they are literally, they care about their singles. Like, it's like a conference. Like, I've preached there like two times, but then after it, it's like a party, like line dances and speakeasies and games. And and I'm like, yeah, cuz we want to have fun. We want to live, we want to feel like we matter. We want to feel like we're valued, not just for our gifts and how we serve this ministry, but like how is the ministry serving us? And not singles nights

Visibility, Intimidation, And Intentions

SPEAKER_03

to talk about relationships. That's good. But like, can we get some money management classes? Because my God. Aloha. Okay. You teach us how to how to work on our finances? Yeah. Can you teach us like some cooking classes? Okay. Some sewing, you know what I'm saying? Some nice little home economics that we all see.

SPEAKER_01

How to do laundry? Because I can I know a few men who do not know how to separate clothes. Okay, my daddy was terrible at washing. He was good at folding, but he would just be putting the clothes. My mom was like, you cannot mix the colors the colors with the whites. But I'm saying, right?

SPEAKER_03

Like, because if y'all really want to prepare us, like make us better people. That's good. Like, let's get some mental health. You know what I'm saying? Like, not all singles nice directed towards relationships. And we know the dating pool is trash. Yeah. But I wondered if y'all gathered us to build us, how better, much better would the dating pool be? Because now we're becoming better human beings. And let's get some actual discipleship.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Like, connect me with a woman who's in her 60s and still single. Hello? And let me go hang out with her. I now have I have like mentors. I really love them. I'm like, I love y'all more than my younger friends. Love that. Because I think we need that. Yeah. And I'm like, I think if we shift it, it's too much pressure. So I can't, I don't even feel right enjoying my life because you keep making me feel like it's missing something. Wow. But that's not good.

SPEAKER_02

Sorry for my soapbox. No, that's good. That's good. So obviously, you guys know that she's a preacher. Obviously, she's an evangelist. Wow. We have to talk about like how you got from being a TBM producer, senior leadership on church staff to touring the world. No, really. Like being the most sought-after, like preacher. Like, how did we how do we get to those bingo cards?

SPEAKER_03

Man, I always say, like, I'm just a girl who said yes to follow Jesus and ended up here. Wow. Um, because because I grew up in ministry, I actually wanted nothing to do with it. I ought to be a zookeeper. Anything to not, anything but it. And I said, the Lord is just, he has a funny way of like, girl, this is not your life. Yeah. Um and so, like, uh, how does this happen? So I was during the pandemic, I was working at TBN and I also was the head of production at 1 LA. Um, and then I don't know, like I was contracted at 1 LA, and then they offered me a full-time role. And I heard the Lord say no. Like, but I'm like, this is my church. I've been here, like I moved from Long Beach because I was living in Long Beach because it's the middle point of Tuston and Hollywood. And then I moved to North Hollywood. I'm like, the Lord didn't say that. And he was like, like, no, six months, and you're about to be gone. And I'm like, no. I moved anyway. Month five, I was like, I feel a transition coming. And I was like, I thought I was moving to Nashville. So I go to Nashville, and I feel like I got there, and the Lord was like, who said that? Like, and it was funny because like I had this encounter with the Lord in prayer before I went to Nashville. And like in it, in like in the encounter, I'm like, in my prayer time, he tells me to stand up and to like, I never told nobody this, so here's this, here it goes. But like, I lay, like, he's like, lay this blanket out, right? He tells me to close my eyes and walk around the blanket. And essentially, while he's I'm doing that and praying, he's talking, he's like, he was giving me new territory. Wow. In that moment, I'm thinking place, but it clearly was not that. Because I was only in production. Like at one, I was like doing hosting the um pre show, but that was the extent. I had a podcast, but I wasn't doing any of this. And the same time I was on a fast, and I feel like I was fasting with my friend. She's like, God's gonna make it clear. And I'm like, okay, by the by April, March 29th, I get a DM on LinkedIn from a pastor in the Inland Empire who's like, hey, I know this is like a chance, but I was wondering if you or anybody you know is looking for their next. Like we're expanding our senior leadership team. And I was like, what? And I was like, this is too random to be random. Like the timeline of it. And then the same time, my best friend's calling me, asking me if I if I want to be a small groups pastor. And I'm like, girl, what are you even talking about? She's like, yeah. She's like, I think you in the wrong seat. Like, I get that production's your thing, but I don't think that's where you're supposed to be. And I feel like those two things happening simultaneously was like God saying, like, you've been hiding long enough. And so I go to this church. I don't know anybody, predominantly white church, in a conservative, like, you know what I'm saying, like white pickup trucks, wow, and flags with people's names on it. I'm like, ooh, all right. And I go to the church, I sit in the service, um, and God goes, This is where I'm sending you. And I was like, You sure? Because I can count the spots. And he's like, No, yeah. Love, love the pastor. I originally took a job to be the director of comms and experiences. So I ran the weekend experience. I oversaw worship production and communications department. So still much a very behind-the-scenes role. Maybe I started staff June 2021, September 1st, I preached my first sermon. Just like off of, hey, would you want to preach on Seek Night? He's like, he says, What do you think about preaching? I said, I don't. And he's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember in taking that job, the Lord told me, Whatever is presented to you, you say yes. Like I like I couldn't say no anymore. And I told him that. I was like, I don't, I don't really know how I feel about this, but I feel like the Lord is wanting me to say yes to this. I preached my first sermon, September

Standards, Purity, And Pressure To Settle

SPEAKER_03

1st, 2021. And I think we all in that moment went, I think this is maybe what I was born to do. Because I had never done that. I'm like, who puts worse? And in my brain, I was like, these people are gonna get up and walk out. Cause I never did this before. And nobody believed it. And then after that, they put me on the teaching team, and then somebody else started posting my clips. Wow. Like on the internet, TikTok, and then people started calling my mom, like, Brenda's on the internet preaching. And then my mom tells me, and I'm like, that's odd. And then I post this clip. Um one time I was preaching, and um the night before the Lord, like I had this pain in the side of my neck. And so the Lord highlights that he wants to heal thyroids in the service. So I'm like, when that usually happens, I'll physically feel the pain in my body, and I'm like, this ain't this don't belong to me. And then I'll forget, and then the Lord will bring it up. So in the service, I'm I'm Googling, like, is the thyroid in the neck? Like, I don't know nothing. And so then I go up there and I'm like, is there anybody like here who has thyroid issues? And people stand up all over the room. And the Lord gave me very specific thing to pray. He just said, just thank me for the healing. Like, not all these words, like, Lord, we thank you that by your stripes we're healed. So we in this moment, we've we worship you for what you've done, or something like that. And then six weeks later, my worship pastor uh sends me a voice note that her friend was in that service. She said that I touched the left side of my neck, and she had three thyroid tumors that were cancerous in her throat. And when she went back to the doctor, two of them were gone, and the largest one was too small, they couldn't even measure it. So I like put that together and posted it on TikTok, and then that video went viral. And then I was like, Oh. And then my friend calls and says, I had another encounter where like this handprint appeared on my mirror and just stayed there like for months. Showers, cleaning, and whenever it would fade away, it would just reappear. And I was like, Man, the God of the Bible still does things like he did in the Bible. Literally, and so I use it in a sermon, and I she was like, You need to post that clip today. And I'm like, this was a little weird. You know what I'm saying? I posted it, it goes viral. Within seven days, I was at like 20K on TikTok, and it was weird, it was like just random stuff happening. Like, and that was like, I think that also the Lord was doing that because originally a book publisher had reached out to me, but the literary agent wouldn't sign me because she said I didn't have enough like following.

SPEAKER_02

Wow.

SPEAKER_03

And so then I was like, okay, like I'm I've been wanting to write a book. Like some girl was just in my Instagram and was like, Have you ever thought about writing a book? I'm like, no. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like I'm just a person who says yes to the Lord, and then he walks me into the things they they feel like happenstance to me, but I can tell their like what he planned out. And so that's how it happened. Like, I just feel like the Lord just breathed on my platforms. I started going viral. I would go places and they're like, Don't you be preaching on? And I was like, Lord, I want to be famous for an Emmy, not for this. I mean, love the love the Lord. Yeah. But I'm like, this is crazy. And then 2023, I was at that church and the Lord was like, they were gonna consecrate me as a pastor. Wow. And the Lord was like, I preached a sermon called Defining the Relationship. And I said, every person that follows the Lord comes to a moment where he defines a relationship if he sees if, where he sees if you really in it for him. And I was like, and when I think about 2023, I just want to walk with the Lord like Enoch. Bro, why I said that? Then two days later, he's like, Let's walk. I had a meeting already scheduled on the calendar with my executive pastor. I call my mom. Holy Spirit says, call my mom. I call her and she's talking. She's like, You don't really feel like you want to talk. I'm like, I don't. I just called you. And I was like, I can't do this no more. I was like, don't be surprised if I pack my stuff up and come home.

SPEAKER_01

And I was like, who said that?

SPEAKER_03

Because I would never go back to Chicago. And I was like, she was like, what? And I was like, Lord, is that what you asking me to do? And it was so fresh. I had a meeting in 30 minutes. I went in, talked to my executive pastor. He was like, How's Brenda? What are you doing? And I was like, Well, since you asked, I think my time's up here. He said, I have a meeting after this about you, your pastor, you becoming a pastor. So the day they were supposed to consecrate me, they commissioned me into what they called itinerary ministry. I had no idea what that was. And I was like, But from context clues, itinerant means itinerary, and I don't have one of those. So, I mean, I get that we need to tell the church something, but I'm finna let it be true. I'm finna go. I had one engagement at a youth conference in Birmingham, Alabama. Nice. And they booked my flight. I couldn't even do the altar call. It was so tight. It was like, all right, altar call, somebody else gonna come and pray because my flight is leaving. And then, but from that moment, it just like the Lord started breathing on it. I've never had a post of booking now. Yeah. Like people just were reaching out, and then I was like kind of doing production stuff with Woman Evolve. And then they asked me to do Hey You. And they're like, hey, take on um like producing Hey U for the rest of the year. That sounded like something to Lord. I'm like, oh yeah, look at the Lord taking care of me. And I sit in the first meeting and I'm like, ah I don't think I'm supposed to be here. And I'm like, but that don't make sense because I I need to be here. And I hear in that meeting uh Elijah and the widow. So I write it down. I'm thinking it's something I'm gonna feed to somebody else. I go to the second meeting, I'm like, okay, Lord, if I'm not supposed to be here, like make it clear. He's like, I never told you to be here. So I had to turn it down. And then two days before the event, I'm in Zara

Church Culture And Serving Single Adults

SPEAKER_03

and I get a phone call, and it's like, hey, Brenda, Pastor Sarah wants you to come and preach. I hate you. Hello? I think you got I said, Hold on, bro, because I got a hair appointment tomorrow. I need to figure my life out. And it was like the Lord was like, I already gave you the sermon. Wow. Elijah and the widow. And then after preaching it, I realized, like, oh, I'm preaching my own life. And I'm like, and on the plane there, God says, You are worried about a check, and I'm trying to establish you. And I'm like, as a PK, preaching at the Potter's house, it's kind of like Madison Square Garden. And that would have never been on my bingo card.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And so I feel like just from that moment, God just started opening doors. I mean, it's what's still happening today. I wrote a book to best selling book. Let's talk about the book.

SPEAKER_02

Come on. Best selling book. Come on. So the person that DM'd you, is this that literary agency?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, because the girl that was following me, she was just like, hey, you know, I work for a publisher, but it's Instagram, so I'm not really holding, like, okay, girl. Yeah, yeah. So she DMs me and she's like, I would love to continue this conversation with your agent. I'm like, do I look like I got one of those? So then my friend had an agent. So I'm like, hey, these people reaching out, like, I don't know anything about this world. So within six months, the Lord breathed on my accounts. I circled back with the agent, the literary agent. I finished the book proposal. Um, and originally, like, I already had a book like flushed out, like eight chapters. I had a chapter written. But then the night before I gave the proposal, the Lord was like, that's not the book. And so he gave me the journey of yes. And I tell her, like, I know this other book look like looks like it's further ahead, but I really feel like this is the one. She's like, we all agree. And so like I'm giving her my numbers. I'm like, look what the Lord has done. And she's like, immediately they signed me. That was in June. Um, by the end of July, we were pitching. In August, I sat down with every top Christian publisher. Um, and then I ended up going with the original um with Waterbrook, which were the original people to reach out to like a year prior. And so I signed my first book deal, but like at the perfect moment, because I had been a nomad that whole year, just staying at friends' houses and just figuring it out. And then I was able to like sign a lease and move. And I don't know, like I started seminary. I'm on pause with seminary right now, but I started seminary and wrote a book at the same time, which is the worst idea ever. Wow. Um, but yeah, like it's just been a journey of just it's been a journey of yeses for sure. And that's what the book is about. Just like this invitation to invite people into this intimate relationship with the Lord. I know it could come across like prosperity gospel. So it's not like I'm not saying if you follow the Lord, your life will turn out like mine. Because child, it's also been really hard. And but what I can say is like the way that I know the Lord for myself, beyond being a PK and beyond growing up in church, is like nah, like I rock with God because He be holding me down. And even though He be inviting me into stuff, that be really hard. And I'm like, bro, who do you think I am? I'm like, but I'ma come because you know me better than I know myself.

SPEAKER_02

So but I'ma have an Issa Ray mirror talk first every single time because I'm having one right now.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Because I'm like, now I didn't write the book. Can we write another one that says living the good life or something? I don't know. My God. Um, yeah, but I I really love God and I'll follow him over a cliff.

SPEAKER_02

I absolutely love like Brenda, your whole life's journey is literally a reflection of Christ, like in modern day like terms. Like you literally are made in his image. And I know we all are, but it's good to and refreshing to see somebody that's literally just like has the scent of Christ.

SPEAKER_03

It's you know, thank you for saying that. Because people say that to me often, and I don't ever know how to take it. Like I have a really good friend, uh Crystal, and she says it all the time. She'd be like, You like Jesus. And I'm like, like, what you mean, girl? Like, okay. But she was like, nah, like, how like how I imagine Jesus will sit at the table and talk to anybody, and then they'll walk away wanting more of him. She was like, I feel like she's like, because that's how I feel. And I'm like, that's it's funny that people say that because that's always my prayer. Yeah. Is like, man, God, like, whenever somebody encounters me, like, I hope they want more of you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And so, like, that's the goal. And also, like, you don't gotta be deep, you know what I'm saying? Like, I speak in tongues, you know. Some people might tell you I can prophesy, you know. But I can also do that conversationally. I also want people to feel seen even if we don't agree. And so I've because I feel like that's what Jesus would do. Yeah. And so, I mean, thank you for that as a compliment. It's also like, all right. Like, what is no, but it's it's something I've been sitting with lately, because like um, this is the preacher part of me. But like in 2 Corinthians 5, it's like about how we've been given the ministry of reconciliation, like reconciling people back to God. But the part that keeps like, I feel like the Lord's drilling into my brain is like it's as if God was making his appeal through us. And I don't it it like makes me want to cry. It's like, man, now I'm making that the standard. Like, if I respond this way, does it feel like God's making an appeal? Like, if I cause it'd be some things I'll be willing to say, and I'm like, it's not appealing, Brenda. You know, like because when I finished doing what I do or showing up the way I showed, did I make an appeal that says come back to God?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And so I think like I've been holding that. So it does like warm my heart, especially in such a celebrity like culture. Like, that's my biggest fear. Like, and so oftentimes I don't know how to take like people like liking me. Cause I'm like, I don't, I don't want you to like me. Yeah, like it's like

From Producer To Pulpit: The Call

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for real, like and sometimes I be like calling it, like, you're like, oh my god, like you shaking and all that, you gotta go ahead and sit down and take a break. Cause the only person who should make you is the glory. Hello. And I I carry it, but that ain't me. And I and here's the thing, right? That's our responsibility because we're in our nature created to worship. So if you are somebody that I experience the Lord through naturally, because I can see you, I'm gonna misplace it because it's in my nature to worship. But all throughout scripture, you see, especially in Acts, you see the early church, you see them going, Peter, every time he would be like, Why are you impressed? I am but a mere man like you. Peter is my favorite person in Acts. Because Peter be like, Don't be impressed. Remember that man y'all killed? Mm-hmm. Every time he had a chance to remind him that they put Jesus on the cross, he was like, That's the reason I stand here. And I think as and same thing, he meets the the centurion man. The centurion man falls at his feet. He says, No, get up. I'm a mere man like you. And I think like it's our responsibility as people who steward influence to always redirect. I know I'm a vessel, I could never do what I do without the Lord. And every time you see me, you should see him. So please be impressed with him and not me. And I I try my hardest to live by that because I've seen people who started with hearts like that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep, yep. We know how that story ends. And I'm like, and I'm watching it going, that could be me.

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Yeah.

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So I'm always like, Lord, anything in me that desires to be famous, or I live in LA. This is where we come to do that.

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Yeah.

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He's like, mm-mm. Deal with that because I don't want it. Literally. Take this away. Hello. Before that.

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It's a thing. No, for real. Okay, so I like to play a game. Come on. I love to play a game with my guests because it's so fun for me to kind of see what y'all will say. Uh-oh. Okay. This one, we'll call this would you rather slash who you got? Because it's gonna be a little mixture of things. I like games. You know what I'm saying? Like okay. So the first question is would you rather attend Sunday school or Bible study? Okay.

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This is hard. Is this rapid? It's supposed to be rapid. Okay.

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Ah Sunday school. Sunday school. Okay, that's good. All right. 9 a.m. service or in 11 a.m. Hey, 9 a.m. 9 a.m. Oh, 9 a.m. You're trying to make brunch. Okay.

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Get it done. Because the pastors like to show out in the second service. They be doing too much. You know what I'm saying? Just you want to crack Joe. I'm one of them. You want to crack Joe's? You want to do all the things? I just just give me the work. Good work.

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Okay. Um, a New Year's Eve service or all night prayer.

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Ooh. A New Year's Eve service. I'm about to host an all-night prayer. I feel conflicted in my responses. New Year's Eve service, though. Watch night services be, but the real ones. The real ones. They start at 10. Yes. And go watch. The watch night. Yeah. We need to cross over.

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Why don't that 7 p.m.? Yes. Yeah. Because they want to be home at midnight.

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You know what I'm saying? It's the saints, the seniors. The season says with your baby. I can't be out in them street with in that New Year's Eve crowd.

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Okay. Um, okay. Now we're going artists. Ooh, okay, this will be fun. Trinity 5-7 or wine is phase two.

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Ooh, this is a church kid question. Wine's phase two. We the wine and see. We uh got lead dynasty next to line is me. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Let me find out. Uh-oh. I'm a real church kid, okay? Because we're wine in space two came out.

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I said, do we got us a little? Okay. We got us a boy big. What's the Christian boy band? Like, cause why do we never get to fan out? Listen, I'm wine and space two. Um day. Period. Yes. You know what somebody knows if we can just put together a reunion to be. Could y'all completely everybody else going on too? Everybody else going on too.

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We need to get the wine in space too. And if y'all wanna add C C and then just a wine and family tour, but don't show up without wine and space too.

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Hello. Thank you. Was Mario on Facebook? He wasn't, but we need Mario. Bring Mario too. We need a mono. If you it's okay. We can have we can have Mario too. Bring all of them. All of them. Yep, yep, yep. We love that. Okay. All right, tell the people where they can follow you.

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Because I'm really bad at this, and my team be like, you done talk about the book at all. Okay. So first you can find me on every platform at I Am Brenda Palmer. Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, I am Brenda Palmer.com. There you can purchase my book, The Journey of Yes, The Radical Adventure of Everyday Obedience. Yes. Um, and yeah, make sure y'all lock in with me. I have a ministry called Come Alive Collective. We host uh pop-up Bible studies, virtuals, and in person. Um, we do pop-ups around the country as well. We just have one in a DMV and we're about to drop some news for one in Chicago in January. Oh. So I'm excited. Excited. It's gonna be fun. Um, so yeah, that's that's what's coming up. I'm working on a new book. I think the people are gonna be blessed by it. They are gonna be blessed by it a hundred percent. I'm excited. It's time we start having like these, you know, conversations about singleness.

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Yeah, for sure.

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We're excited.

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Well, we're gonna be staying tuned here at the PK Pod. You can come back. You can come back whenever you want because we have a tire. It's fun. We love you here at PK Pod, y'all. Be sure to like, follow, subscribe, and please, please, please help me sell out her book, like The Journey of Yes. Like, honestly, like we need to go and get that today, not tomorrow, today, so that we are literally a part of the book club and all of the things. And we just want to celebrate and support everybody out here that's literally following Jesus with their whole heart. And Brenda is that girl.

Viral Moments, Healing, And Platform Growth

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Period. That's literally the end. No notes. Thank you, Brenda. Hey friends, thank you for tuning in to the PK Pod, where we highlight incredible PKs who might have a platform, but it may not be the pulpit. Be sure to follow us on all social media platforms TikTok, Instagram, to stay connected to weekly episodes. We will release it here first. Make sure that you're connected.