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We Ball! | River | Casting & Project Director Interview
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Hi GOATS!! i mean dweeeeebs heehe! WELCOME BACK to another episode of Dweeb Cityy!! WOOT WOOT! we are BACK! and kicking it off with a very special guest River! He is a casting director and project creator of the very awesome series " Beyond the light"! BUT not only that , he yaps with us about some other pretty amazing fun things that he adventures on as well. Join us as we laugh it up and share some fun experiences and a little surprise that even knocked my socks off! haha. thanks for much for listening. SEE YOU IN THE NECT ONE STAY NERDY :)
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Hi there, Dweeves! Welcome and welcome back to another episode of Dweeb City with your host, me, Star Jackson. I know it's been a little mince since I recorded or d actually made an episode and had it out. Um, it's been about like three months, so um I just wanted to give you guys like a little update and hashdown of everything that's been going on. Um currently uh my cat Jean Bay passed away, unfortunately. Um, and that really took a toll on me, so I took a little um minute off to really um grieve him. Um still am, actually, but um, and to really pay respects to my little boy. Um, he was five years old, and um he was he is my everything was is. Um I had a kitten before him, and it was the same way. Like the grief is insane. But um I'm so grateful that I had him and um I am church every moment and um and uh I got like a little urn that says chase your dreams and I take him every every like where with me. Well not everywhere, everywhere, but um to the big places. And one of those big places is Los Angeles. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I actually moved to Los Angeles um actually with my partner that I currently have. Yes, guys, I have a partner now. Isn't it insane, insane? And all of this happened in like a span of like three months, so um it was very much of a whirlwind. Um especially packing up and and just taking the leap and taking the chance um to come out here. Um because I I felt like I could have I should have saved up a little bit more, but I kept telling myself that and telling myself that and I felt like I was never gonna leave. So um chatting with my partner and like just taking the leap together um was really the the best uh case scenario, I guess you can say. And I'm happy we did it because uh the the drive here was amazing. Um going through New Mexico, that was my favorite part. We went to the um Rio Grande. Um he surprised me, and we went there and it was so much fun. Um, and we also went through like Mississippi, Texas, um, Arizona, um well uh South Carolina or North Carolina, one of those. Um, Georgia, and of course Florida, and probably some other ones that I can't think of. Um, and um it was I just love traveling in general, so even like having the experience to drive and travel was really great. And during that traveling, um I didn't know if my car was gonna make it because she was a little bit older and um she had a lot of mileage on her as well. So um I'm happy she made it all the way through from Florida to Los Angeles, but unfortunately she like um gave out through going on the the mountains and I completely forgot that that California has j gigantic mountains. So going up and down them, um I believe the belt came off, and that's why she tragically uh passed away as well. Um, so I had to sell her. But and the good bad thing about selling her, I guess, is that um I was able to have a little extra cushion money. So um while searching to find a job or trying to try to find like a balance here. Because we're like arriving here, it was so much fun, but also there's so much going on and so much like to do and so much to like to see and you know, um and like e-call networking. I hate seeing networking, um, but uh and and making friends and and keeping up with friends and and seeing people that I've met online, and um it's really been um such an honor and a blessing to be here, and I'm so excited. And and and and I've only been here for about at the time of this video, three weeks or um yeah, three weeks to starting today. So um it's been amazing, it's been a lot, it's been overwhelming, but all in good ways. Um so um yeah, I just wanted to give you guys that update. We are going to start restart the podcast uh with a very special guest in the building. He is a writer, he is an an indie creator. Um, after dropping out of film school, he had to build a creative career of his own from 17, and he's he's been um doing like indie work or like drawings, um not like drawings per se, but just being creative in general or starting, especially with um um his projects that he has on his own since 11 years old. But from 17 he's worked different jobs like teaching, cleaning, food packing, and practicing animation while doing all that. And um and he also made a and in hopes of creating something awesome. Animation called Beyond the Light, which is a really, really awesome story. Um, I will put the link below as we talk about it as well. Um, don't forget to check it out, and it is an amazing series, and I'm so excited to see what else Beyond the Light has in store. And uh this conversation was so awesome. Um, I love speaking with River, and um me, uh River and I already have like a really decent close relationship already. But after having this conversation, it just skyrocketed from there. River's from Indonesia, so we're like on completely different sides of the earth, but we still make it work. And I love hearing how he makes things work with his series, with his project that he has going on, and he actually says a little couple surprises here and there about himself, and also a little something that he gave us, i.e., me, too. So thank you so much for listening. We really hope you enjoy. And enough yapping from me. Let's talk the river. Hi guys, welcome and welcome back to Sweep City with me, your host, Star Jackson. Today we have a very special guest in the building, casting director, artist, and of a really uh wonderful, awesome indie uh creation, a Beyond the Light series.
SPEAKER_02We have a River Hey everyone, I'm so excited to be here.
SPEAKER_01Thank you so much for coming on. Oh my gosh, we were just talking about um of everything going on with like everybody being sick and stuff like that, and um, I'm glad we're um uh I got like recovered enough to be able to uh come on with you. I'm so excited uh to talk to you about your series and um your artistry and all that good stuff because I believe you are the first like casting director like um that we've had on. So I'm I'm so excited to get like a firsthand look on what you go through and your journey, and um um how did you get started?
SPEAKER_02That's a very great question. Like, oh, I'm prepared for this question actually. Yeah, that uh actually I'm not exactly planning to go on animation because back then I I was in film school actually, and I don't learn animation at all, so all I learned was just like cinematography, directing, and like artistic, but we don't learn animation at all. So now that I step into animation from when I was um 17, I had to learn it myself, like the whole production pipeline, and it's actually interesting because like stepping from film to animation is like entering a new world that you're familiar but also not familiar with. You get what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, what so you you did you started like oh yourself?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, actually it's self-thought. Yeah, I do self-thought. Like you underline everything and the marketing, the directing. I learned it myself.
SPEAKER_01Wow, that you you grind, that's that's really good.
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh! Like, there's one thing that's pretty like um funny. The thing is we have all different time zones. The cast is really diverse from all over the world, and the time zone difference sometimes got me like, okay, what time is it in uh Canada? What time is it in America? Like gets me to the point of like, you know what, let's just find a perfect time zone. Like, we'll stick to the Indonesian time zone or the EST sometimes for the production.
SPEAKER_01That is true. It's hard to like like because it's like is it nighttime where you are right now? Yeah, it is actually. Yeah, okay, it's daytime where I am. So even the lighting is different. Yeah, it's crazy. It's really cool that you have to take that into consideration because sometimes I even forget um as well, um, uh like the Philippines or like somebody from like Japan. It's like literally like the complete opposite. But like I love when we come up with a solution together because whenever it's like um not too early, not too late, sometimes it may be a little bit too early, but you need to see this.
SPEAKER_02You need to see this. I have time zones for all of my cast. Hold on. Wait, it's not visible. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, maybe like yeah, turn up the right. Uh oh for all my cast and my crew. That's more for all your your cast. Yeah, for my cast and crew, so I can like not disturb them during their sleep, you know, asking for lines and all that. So I keep up with their new zone. That is really cool. Every time there's a new cast coming up, I'm always like, okay, what's your time zone? I'm gonna list you there.
SPEAKER_01Wow, that is really cool. Is that an app or is it um it's just uh clock app.
SPEAKER_02So there's like uh a lot of world clock there. There's like uh my c my time zone, there's like yeah, a lot around the world actually.
SPEAKER_01Everyone is very convenient too, because it's all in one place, so like you can just be like, okay, let me go text so-and-so and see how it leaks. That's cool.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, since our cast is really diverse, so is our crew, really.
SPEAKER_01Oh that is so cool. So at 17, you s did you start Beyond the Light, or did you make other projects and then made Beyond the Light?
SPEAKER_02Actually we started like uh having Beyond the Light as an OC, like my OCs, they they they were when I was eleven. So I started developing the stories over time and like at 17 I was like, you know what, let's make it an animation because that's what I've I've always dreamt of. Uh animation is the media.
SPEAKER_01I was um I was just speaking to someone about it because we were having trouble like as writers writing like we're wanna write it, but not sure what format to put it in, like animation or or audio, or did you know when you made this, did you know it won you wanted it to be an animation, or did it just come to you like after you wrote it or during, or you just knew all of it like when it just came to you?
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you this, but it was a webcomic before it was on webtoon.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02It was based on a webtoon actually, but it was only like for three or four episodes, and it got cancelled because I was like so occupied that time. I was a teacher also Oh whoa! Yeah, that's cool. What what grade? I taught the elementary and kindergarten for science and English.
SPEAKER_01Oh, and that's tough kids too, love to teach. Yeah, that's so good. I can see why. You're so awesome! Thank you.
SPEAKER_02My students love me. I mean, when I resigned from the occupation, they were like, Oh, where you're going, and I'm like, I I need to have I need to pursue my study in communication. And they're like, they miss me a lot. They even like contacted me on Roblox, like, hey, hey, are are you coming to teach again? And I'm like, guys, I'm sorry, but we can always play Roblox.
SPEAKER_01That is so amazing. Like, you can connect with um others, especially like when those are like some like prime um ages where they're they they take in everything, like they soak everything up like a sponge. So like the the fact that you impact them so much and they miss you, that's so beautiful.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean it was a very great experience, and it's also like helping me with Beyond Light because again, when I was a teacher, I used to think that I was incapable of like handling people, but then again, I have I have this desire where I want to be like a leader, I want to be more than just like this introvert introverted kid back in uh middle school. Yeah, so I'm like, you know what? We ball, let's just like talk a lot. Yeah, I mean that's I love I love I love like speaking after that. I develop like a love for public speaking, really. And that's why Beyond Blight really helps too because I communicate with my cast, my crew, and people interviewing me, including you. Helps me a lot. I mean, English is not my first language, so like Really? I can't even tell. Wow.
SPEAKER_01I'm from Indonesia and my first language is Bahasa. Okay. Oh then so with oh, so much information! I love it! Um Um so with uh your link so did you learn English with um uh how do you say Bah Bahasa? Bahasa Basa Bahasa?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Bahasa, in the Bahasa.
SPEAKER_01Did you learn Bahasa and English together, or you learn are learned um after or did you learn English like later on and like when you got older?
SPEAKER_02Actually, English has been my passion since I was little, and like I've always watched movies in English, but sometimes I don't use the subtitle, so that's where I started to develop my love for speaking, writing, and you know, some sort. But I was really bad at grammar. This one time I was in me too! You too? So bad. I still don't know sometimes. I it doesn't get better. Yeah, I was in high school and I was the only one who had a Remy deal, and I was the only one, like everyone was asking, Hey, aren't isn't your English good? Why are you having a Remy deal? Why is your score so low so sudden?
SPEAKER_04And I'm like, it's grammar.
SPEAKER_01And it's English is so hard because there's so many words that are like similar to like like there and there, like and then you have to like put it in a certain way in the sentence, like uh it's like so confusing sometimes.
SPEAKER_02Like especially with your and your you will like experience that because I thought most of us Asian struggle with grammar, and like you guys do.
SPEAKER_01All through high school, and like even to adulthood, I'll have to like when it's the your with the like the apostrophe, I'll be like, you are, you are, okay, we're good. Because I'll try try to like because I know you your with the the apostrophe is like you are, so I'll be like I'll in my mind I'll be like you are too okay. So that's the one that's your not the other one.
SPEAKER_02You wanna know a funny story? Yeah, when I was teaching English, I didn't know what past participle was, so I was teaching them while looking at the book. So I was like, blah blah blah, and I look at the book and blah blah blah again, like I'm kidding. Till we make it, make it till we make it.
SPEAKER_01That's the thing, that's the thing don't blame you. You're showing them the right stuff just with a little help.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and they're asking questions, and I had to ask Google first.
SPEAKER_04Fell, yeah, fell.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, it was such a funny moment. Like even one of the students caught me searching the Google and they're like, hey, why are you searching up? Aren't you the teacher for us? I'm like, sorry, well, that's a very odd question. Like, they they be asking a lot of random questions.
SPEAKER_01And as a a good teacher as you are, you want to make sure you're plus providing the best possible teaching experience. So you sometimes you have to double check. Yes, that is correct. That is crack. Like, and and it's way better than you just like just thinking and not knowing fully. So it's actually like a good thing that you look it up first to make sure.
SPEAKER_02So you're actually that's really good because I don't want to spread misinformation, okay?
SPEAKER_01Right, exactly. Especially on science. Yeah, oh my gosh. What was your favorite subject?
SPEAKER_02Actually, I'll say biology is my favorite. Oh, which is kind of unrelated science teacher to becoming an Indian animation director is kind of like contrast. I feel like, you know, every job I have, I'm like, you know what, weeball. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Let's just try it and see.
SPEAKER_01That's so cool. And then um, so when you started it at like 18, and then um uh were you did you find did you how did how did that process go of uh making it?
SPEAKER_02Oh, this is kind of like uh I had this question at uh panel discussion once. And they're asking, like, how did your journey go? Is it were you like uh planning it from the start or something? Actually, I used to have a little story if you don't mind. Yeah, okay. So yeah, it is sad actually because I have struggled with my financials, so I dropped out of film school, which was my dream to be director, and I was really sad about it because like I thought that I can't be a director anymore, and I have to pursue like a uh let's say a more uh stable job, like teaching. And in that time I was like, you know what, let's find another alternative. My mind immediately went on to animation because back then I all I started drawing when I was 11 and I wanted to like no make my uh series Beyond Light come true, and so when I dropped out of film school, I immediately thought of an alternative, like you know what, let's try animation. So it was like it's a very funny process because I remember calling casting call a job vacancy, and people were like, What job do you have? And I'm like, Oh, voice acting, you know, like so you mean a casting call? I was like, Oh, yeah, that's what you call it? Okay, they told me no, it was like a job vacancy. I put the hashtag job vacancy, and people who are in the in the marketing field, who are in the economic and business field, they're like, Hey, what job are you having? I'm like, hey, an indie animation series, and they're like, Okay, oh, I thought you're hiring a supervisor or something. Like, no, I'm hiring an voice actor and animator.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, hey, that's one way to do it though. You just gotta go out. I feel like we learn as we go. But the fact that you're like doing it, like and you're getting you're getting better with it, and then yeah, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, I learned over time, like uh hiring hiring voice actors are called casting call, and like um indie projects can be like hiring through casting call club, I think that's what you call it. Yeah, casting call club, yeah. I think I've heard of that. And but I'm not really familiar with it. But a lot of voice actors also followed uh Beyond Lights uh updates, so they're like, hey, what's the casting call? Hey, what's where's the update? And I'm so glad people are so enthusiastic about it. Considering like uh in our country, most of the stories in the animation are not that noticed by our people. So yeah, it's kind of sad. Like there's barely any stories outside of like family or religion. So people are sticking to find more and more genre.
SPEAKER_01Wow. So they usually stick to that genre, not really like um oh yeah, it's kind of like um, yeah, it's kind of like it's kind of like they want to start a revolution.
SPEAKER_02You get what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, you can be like one of the like the pioneers.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's why when I was like directing Beyond the Light, I also don't wanna make it sound like you know what, this is an international base, which means I'm not caring about my country no more. No, in fact, I wanna include my country here and to for our animators, for our designers, artists, like Indonesians. Right. We gotta unite because Yeah. I kinda wanna explain about our condition. It's kind of like very terrible job market and a lot of animators are struggling. So I'll say like you know what we we should unite. We should support each other. So that's why I also introduced this project to folks in my country.
SPEAKER_01Yeah and how is that going by the way?
SPEAKER_02Going well actually uh there's two stuff that I'm really proud of. The first one is when I got accepted to a panel discussion and I talked about indie animation and people were asking like hey so how did you have the this much energy for an Indian animated show? You're directing whole show and I I gave a long answer actually but um a lot of folks were asking great questions and especially that most of them are also Indian friends like from Glitch or uh has been like Daisy uh a lot of folks are also Indian fans in this country Oh wow yeah and that was your first con that you went to yeah it was my first time like speaking in public for a panel discussion and the second one you said uh yeah the second one was the photo booth my gosh it was so great because like we we collaborated with a photo booth brand in Indonesia and like there's uh we got to advertise our pilot teaser and also a frame of the Beyond Light characters and we took a pic together all of us the Beyond the Light folks that's so cool and and how I know you said you were introvert so how was that experience like actually speaking and and public and like how did you feel? Actually I was an introvert in middle school but then I kind of like switched up as an extrovert because yeah I deflu love for public speaking and debate competitions and like I don't know how it happened but you know I was a very quiet kid back then. I had love for art but I can't really express myself through words so I express myself through art. And I think it began when I was in high school and people loved my art. They were like encouraging me to like you know what post it on YouTube talk about content creation and everything. And I think thank you for all of my friends online and offline they have like supported me through going from this quiet lonely kid to yeah what I am now to yes to your blossoming.
SPEAKER_01That is so crazy. I literally I went through the same thing like I was always like the kid in the back like I would just like be doing my own thing and then the more like the the art came in the more like I could feel like comfortable expressing myself and being more fun especially around like a good when you have a good group people like you can just be yourself with that's when like you'd like wow I don't think I'm actually that introverted as I thought I was like realization helps yes that is so awesome yes and then this is how much we're gonna win that so cool and so for those who don't know about Beyond the Light what is your series about oh so I actually wanna I have prepared to talk about this because wow I have a lot to talk to a lot of folks are gonna be watching this podcast to see the updates like okay you know what I'll give it a shot.
SPEAKER_02So Beyond the Life is an indie animation let's say for now we have a pilot upcoming this summer it's about it's actually very simple online a film student named Jay a philosophy professor named Marturo and a cop named Jake the three of them team up to find Jay's father who is an actor who went missing in this city called Lawless and it's also inspired by the jazz age oh yes so that's why we were currently looking for more consultants especially from our African American folks to help us develop jazz culture. I I am I I am actually I've never been to a jazz club but I am a very fond listener of jazz like you see my on repeat on Spotify it's all jazz and I'm and actually it helps me to relax like I don't know it's kind of a meditation for me.
SPEAKER_01I love jazz it really is nice.
SPEAKER_02Yeah what's your um favorite instrument uh segue but uh from jazz that you like listen to a saxophone or the voices or oh I actually make jazz music to help by another friend and my favorite gotta be sax for sure they song oh it sounds like an actual person singing uh from like the it's soul soulful yeah you're they're incredible and also I really love jazz and I want to represent represent it as good as possible to the point I went to this library and like I have like read so much jazz books the whole day. Yeah I love jazz like around the black culture jazz culture and everything because I I love learning about people's culture I think the best part of being human is to live and to learn and to celebrate that is so true it's so fun learning and then and then also like you're putting that into the story too which I really really love that. Yeah and I want to represent like um a lot of cultures here so I of course I gotta be careful and that's why I have consultants and it's not just one or two I have so many consultants in Beyond the Light.
SPEAKER_01Yeah that is so amazing River wow thank you oh yes of course um and so with with your story what do you hope uh to have after the pilot comes out the um the next steps that you would like to have with your project everyone's waiting for this one like what's next after the pilot well we're gonna unpack it here so after the pilot I do have plans for future episodes obviously but the thing we have to prioritize is to compensate the team properly yeah so that's why I think uh like what I posted earlier in the Beyond Light account we're gonna have announcement for the crowdfunding involving Patreon and of course we're yeah we're we're actually still considering Kickstarter because it's not available in Indonesia so we have to figure it out more but since we get the funding we will definitely continue in making more episodes oh that's gonna be so awesome and with with your project I know I'm still learning about project creation because there's so many things that go into it like I um do you have like your own original like soundtrack I know you have voice actors how is the process of like collecting all this stuff like I know it can be so much um with organization I like it it blows my mind what was your process like getting all this stuff and getting it together and stuff like that especially doing it starting it yourself let's that is amazing yeah I think this thing starts from when I was thinking like I have uh I have like a uh neurodivergency and like I thought that it's gonna be hard to manage it even more especially when you're neurodivergent but for yes when you meet other creatives and you like give a good impression to them you build their trust they won't hesitate to help you yeah that's so for my animators my storyboards they're mostly done by me but also with my amazing crew we are all friends who helped each other and like we communicate a lot through uh Discord and in that part actually uh most of us like live far away from each other.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah okay like different countries as well or like in different countries different times on different countries so that's why again I have to like keep track of what time they are in the app that you got on your phone. The app that I got yeah and as for the voice actors oh I I I actually can't really remember of what the process was like at first but I am pretty sure I learned a lot about voice acting. Yes and like yeah I it was when I when I met my voice actors I was like talking uh with like different accents I want to tell you the story actually okay yeah so I ha I in Indonesia sometimes you have to follow up with a certain accent like they even have courses for British English they have courses for American English but Wow yeah so the thing is when I was directing my diverse very diverse cast I had to follow up with the character's accent as well so take an example of let's say one of my characters is um Irish and they spoke in an Irish accent so I have to direct them with an Irish accent yeah yeah so it's an interesting learning like I learned so much from directing my cast and sometimes I bond with them and like you know what I th I thought that only filmmaking in live action like needs chemistry but turns out in the animation you need chemistry as well so I learned that yeah that is true because you want to have like a cast that you can like chemically bond with because in the end it would it'll make your project even better.
SPEAKER_01So it's more than just like a voice it's like do you like can you did I I get what you mean.
SPEAKER_02Yeah that's it's mind blowing I learn a lot I I mean I am a director and I'm human. I make mistakes I learn from them and I move forward and I want to ensure like a very great and safe and healthy environment for my team so again one message I would give to my friends who are currently there's a lot of friends of mine who are currently starting Indie Animation as well I kinda want to tell them like you know it's okay to make mistakes but what's best is you apologize you move forward so you learn. That is what I learned mainly from building this project like I have flaws I have uh like uh better ways of like communication that turns out they don't like how I communicate so I think what's best is just to like you know bond a lot with your team communicate with them and make sure they feel safe around you as a director.
SPEAKER_01Oh that's yes that yeah yes I feel like that is so important because as like a voice actor standpoint we see a casting director project and like we get really nervous and we're like very like we're wanting to have everything to a T really professional because we want we want we see this amazing project that you're doing and we and we want to like have everything a certain way and be like so quote unquote perfect for you but in reality like like you are making something um that is like something that you that's like your baby and you just want the best for it and you are still human as well and and it just it just it brings it like to reality like it's okay to make mistakes it's okay to like try stuff and you're working not only like as like um a a boss and an employee but you're working as a team and together and creating something so yeah that's so cool. I mean I've always had this like I have this reminder on my wall up there like it says check up on your team and friends and family oh yes like that's a big one because you never know like you checking up on them they could be going through something like a really bad day and like if you just saying hey how are you like well it does wonders yes that is true because the first thing that I prioritize is of course myself my health and everything but like I also have to take care of people around me like they have taken care of me as a friend as a director and of course I want to do the same exactly because then like when you when you need it they'll there for you and then when they do you're there it's like um a symbiotic relationship.
SPEAKER_02That's a great way to put it actually yeah that is so awesome um what um besides uh doing Beyond the Light is there any hobbies that you like to do just for fun to oh this is surprising and it's actually affecting my artistic side I do boxing what really I do tourn I do tournaments yeah that is cool thank you how long have you been doing that I think it's been like um half a year or more I think oh wow how's your journey been with that like what got you into it it's so great because like I met so many cool people and at first I was really disencouraged by how people are so uh great about boxing.
SPEAKER_01They're like oh you know what uh they're like um they're friendlier than I thought because at first I was like disparaged every yeah when I heard boxing boxing class my first immediate thought was like okay everyone is scary yeah right which turns out no everyone is beyond friendly so cool yeah and like I think boxing really helps me but sometimes when I get beaten up I came to the call and I'm like the oh the one who's like talking to me noticed my face and they're like hey you good and I'm like nah I just did a sparring and that partner of mine hit me in the face so I'm not good but I'm here now you're tough I try I guess like at least I'm here I'm alive get hit in the face like I feel like I would just be like dazed but you have to keep going right like I'm gonna get hit is there a way like to get hit like where you like just like um a way to like move your face so that way you don't like um pass out or actually um there's a lot of like defense techniques in boxing but I'm really bad at defense so most of the time my coach will like uh have a his whole day yeah will get mad and just have this whole day of me practicing defense since I'm really bad at defense like you know like this this I'm really bad at it that's good though because the I I remember my dive coach like they would always get angry with me because I used to do diving in school and they would be like legs legs and they'll keep saying it over and over because then it'll stick in your brain you're like oh yeah legs does your coach do anything like that my coach actually hit me once because he was he was so annoyed that I couldn't defend myself I keep punching him punching him and he hit me back so you should have been defending no but I kept like I kept punching my sparing partner and and they were so annoyed they're like hey can you stop punching give me my uh time to punch you so after your sessions do you like ice or what uh uh is there like a ritual you do uh they're like how does it how does healing go?
SPEAKER_02I mean boxing when the sparrings on like practice they're usually light so uh not you don't need a lot of like healing after that. Yeah in tournaments you wear a lot of gear around you like the helmet the teeth stuff and like you wear a specific size of boxing gloves so like yeah I think it's different you need more healing after the tournament but in practice you may be neat but for me I would usually say I need to just like you know sleep a lot after because it took a lot of my energy.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah I can only imagine yes and um have you done a tournament yet?
SPEAKER_02Actually I do Yeah how did it go? I mean we we weren't exactly like having like the winner or loser but I think it's just a fair match. But I it was like kind of intimidating because you're being watched where it got me like okay you know what I want to win but at the same time like I don't want to go too aggressive because uh again sparring in tournaments you're not supposed to go like beyond aggressive you get what I mean right yeah yeah so especially that this is a beginner level so I can't really just be aggressive punching and punching I have to like learn how to defend myself because my coach like stated before the tournament uh they're like hey defend yourself yes you will get hit or I will get hit yeah and don't go too aggressive on your partner and like okay okay I'll I'll do it no not too aggressive and more like strategy right yeah because sometimes I go too str I go too aggressive to the point I don't remember like what my strategies are yeah oh that's so interesting that's good like you that you guys got a tie so you didn't lose so that's a win yeah that's a it was a great experience actually but the funny part is again it's funny because like god I came home and I had to draw my commissions and like my and then your like face is hurting while you're drawing and the lines were shaky like I was like shaky like this Yeah Remember you are a G like not you getting like going to boxing practice and then right after I gotta do my love I gotta do my art.
SPEAKER_01The growing never stops yeah wow yeah especially that when your coach like trains you to like punch the pad uh a couple of times let's say a hundred yeah and after a hundred yeah yeah my coach is really really hard on me like he's really like you know what you have potential okay go for it oh he like yeah he he definitely sees a potential in you he's trading you like that yeah and like I don't mind because like the only problem here is I'm an artist yeah yeah it's like it's that makes sense yeah especially that in the gym because I go to the gym as well yeah I have like uh leg day yeah leck day oh leg day is the worst uh I love leg day but also at the same time hate it because it's the biggest muscle group so you have to attack so many areas and then on top of that you you're sore right leg day I always get sore two days after yeah you're same but there's this one time where I like have leg day and actually it was it was a very great experience because I was struggling to walk right and like people in the gym they are helping me to like walk it was so funny but like you know I'm being carried like this like this they carry it like Yeah because because because the dome was so bad like oh I think I pushed myself too much and after that it took like days of break I stayed in my bed just laying down oh yeah you definitely like put ice on ice bath I don't know if you heard of ice baths like you could put like oh ice b I hate ice baths but also I heard like I did one one time and uh it was like it was like torture but after it felt it felt great oh yeah well I actually have a good experience in the gym though I mean a lot of people were really scared to go at first because like what if they're judging me what if I can do this what if I can't do that and they'll help me as for me that's how I felt in being in the gym. I feel very great like confident it it grows my confidence a lot that is so true like especially like here there's a lot of gyms where there's like people who are like huge and they're just like walking around like they own the place and it's it gets intimidating sometimes. I remember when I first started I was scared I was like maybe and it made me feel subconscious but then I realized that Don't really care about you. They never care about their self. That's why they're to look like look at their self in the mirror. They don't even know that you exist. And I felt so much better about it.
SPEAKER_02Exactly, exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_01And um, and like um, and I used to be like like nervous um doing cardio too, because cardio is so hard to do. Well, at first it was for me, and then I got more used to it, and then now I'm at a point where it's like fun. I love doing it, and you feel so much better after, too. Yeah, you feel like the rule of the world.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, right, right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01What's your favorite day? Like, what you say your favorite like muscle group to work out?
SPEAKER_02Actually, I know this is the most painful one, but leg somehow it feels like satisfying. It feels satisfying for me when like you get the pain, but like the growth over time is like Yeah. So I also do like morning runs, and I noticed that my stamina is getting up and up, and I don't know if it's like I don't know if it's because of the gym or something, but like I feel like I feel healthier. Obviously, it's because of the gym. Yeah. And you get more energy too, like that. Yeah, that's true. Especially like dealing with neurodivergency, and that my yeah, my uh psychiatrist told me like uh you should try exercising, you should try meditating or work on beyond light because that's your hobby, and I'm like I did all those three, and uh thankfully they helped me.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, and for your morning runs, do you like have a specific route that you go on or you just go random places?
SPEAKER_02I go to the routes that have food. Yeah! Yes, because I I I mean I haven't done like morning runs in a while, but like um I would go to places that are near like the routes that have like food nearby them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that is smart. That's like like a go a goal. It'll be like once I'm done, I can get food. I used to do that with my run club. We used to get coffee at the end.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Like in the end, I will like wanna s wanna reward myself. So I'm like, you know what? Right, let's grab a quick coffee or something.
SPEAKER_01It really does help. Like and then like sets your mind, like, okay, I'll get to because sometimes I'll have landmarks where I can like get to that trash can. Okay, now I'm at the trash can, get to the end of the road.
SPEAKER_02Do you need to I yeah, I do that. Yeah, like whenever there's a checkpoint, I'll just go and go and go. I feel that.
SPEAKER_01I remember when I first started, oh my gosh, like um, it'll be so hard. Sometimes I'm gonna throw up. Oh, that's rough. Push way too hard. But now it's like, like you said, the more you do it, the more like you get used to the like to the running and the routes and that stanoma, the better you get. It's just like starting it and being consistent. It's always like the the key.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's true, that's true. I agree with you.
SPEAKER_01How's your nutrition? I know nutrition is a big thing too with boxing, or like with life in general.
SPEAKER_02I mean, it's not going very well because I've been having a lot of cheat days beyond the light, got me staying up like every single night. And I'm like, you know what? Let's grab a coffee for the night. Let's grab a food for the night. Time is on different years, like I said.
SPEAKER_01For sure. It's it makes it hard.
SPEAKER_02It does make it hard. I mean, I love working with the city.
SPEAKER_01I feel like the same here. Really? Uh, I feel the same because like nutrition has always been the hardest for me, especially with money and like time and like everything. It but like I'm trying not to like, I'm like telling myself not to make excuses and like to just if I have to get something quick, get something healthy-ish that is good to eat.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, right, right. Whenever I'm like starving while animating, I am like, should I order food should I order food or should I just grab some fruit and like no? Oh yeah. So I I decide for a long time and I end up sleeping.
SPEAKER_01Sleep too, where you're so exhausted and out of nowhere, and then you just wake up like where am I?
SPEAKER_02I know right because of like I'm struggling a lot with like uh time zone differences. Sometimes I woke up at like 1 a.m. and I wonder, wait, do I have a meeting at 2 or 3? I'm like, wait, is the yes t yes is supposed to be like 12 hours before me and I had to count again.
SPEAKER_01It's so terrifying too, because you're like, did I miss it? Oh my gosh, my late! You're right, I know right.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01I understand completely. I have like five five alarm clocks on my phone whenever I have to do something. Like, and I sometimes even still I I'd be like, uh, I have to get up.
SPEAKER_02Usually just turn them off, off, off. Like, you know what?
SPEAKER_01Sometimes I'll press like the off button and instead of snooze, and I was supposed to press snooze button, but then I press the off button, and that's trouble. That's why I have so many alarms.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I remember when my one of my crew was like spam calling me, like, hey drive, hey River, is this animation good? Is this so is this shot good? Like they keep like chatting me, chatting me, chatting me. Now I'm like, What? I just woke up and they're like, River, you're talking It was funny.
SPEAKER_01Like I swear, I think we wake up not knowing like who you are.
SPEAKER_03Like I get you, oh my god.
SPEAKER_01What universe you're in or anything? Like, and then like all of a sudden memories and everything started flooding in, and you're like, oh yeah!
SPEAKER_02And I have to like sit down in the bed and open my phone and process everything, all the missed calls, all the messages, yeah, even like emails of people telling me that they want to be in beyond the light, and I'm like, uh so many stuff at life. Oh yeah, I do have a project. Yeah, and I and it's even funnier when you're like uh in a casting call sessions. So basically, you'll wake up and receive so many emails of people like sell uh sending their auditions to you, and you're I mean, I woke up, my phone was heated. Oh yes, oh my gosh! From all the messages, yeah, so many auditions.
SPEAKER_01I hear that's a thing, like your phone will literally like like blow up for trying to get all the notifications. Wow!
SPEAKER_02Yeah, in casting calls there's like so many notifications from the Beyond Let email and I'm like, what's going on? Oh yeah, I have casting call.
SPEAKER_01How was casting um with that? Well, um, when you're a casting director, like um what do you specifically look for for your characters and your projects that you look for the most that you would say?
SPEAKER_02Actually, I am I didn't have a plan to be a casting director, but because I'm the director and I don't have a casting director, so I stepped in the role. Yeah, okay. I don't know much about voice acting except that I voice acted in two projects before. Okay Yeah, and actually like the voices that I look for are mainly from the similarity with the characters that I am putting the casting call for, and that I also like search out for their I don't know, but intonation. I think that's what you call it. Yes, like some characters, let's say, um, take an example of Jin Young, his intonation is very tricky, like he can be very uh quiet sometimes, or he can be loud, expressive, but at the same time he can also be comforting, and sometimes some characters are very specific to like uh audition for, yeah. So like uh I everyone did a very good job, and I remember crying because there's like so many cards. Yeah, there's so many card people, and I even had to like uh I keep like listening, listening to the point that my files of like uh Beyond the Light is like all from the auditions, like audition from this, this, this. Yeah, because of course I listen to all of them, all the hundreds, and like I keep a list of all their names and everyone that I maybe wanna invite in the future. Like they always told me, like, hey, can can we keep in touch even though I'm rejected? I'm like, yeah, sure. I'll I'll keep in my notes and I'll and I'll contact you when uh we're good to go.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we never know.
SPEAKER_02We never know.
SPEAKER_01That is so close. So like the end nation, um, and um when you have those last two or last few of uh what we call the short list, what really what really when you like give an example of um one of your characters where what really gets you to where it's like this is the one But it's a good question that I'm not sure if I have a solid answer, but sometimes it's just like the feeling.
SPEAKER_02So when I when I listen to these auditions, I would usually imagine my characters saying that. Ah yeah, because my characters have been with me since I was young. Of course, I know how they sound, how they feel about stuff, and sometimes it's not just about like if your voice is good or bad, because there's nothing about being good or bad. Everyone is doing amazing, it's just like the casting directors sometimes have like uh their own uh what do you call it?
SPEAKER_01Like their own their own flair, their own like their own style, too. Yeah, their own style. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I believe that's what I always say. Every uniqueness, um, the bring always bring yourself whenever you co go to characters because it like and like you said, it's like you always knew what you wanted, like what you'll know when you hear it, but you're not sure because you haven't found it yet. And then it's just like one in one and then connects.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, oh, I think I know when you said connect because that's what what I feel. I feel connected to this voice for my character, and I'm like, okay, you're you're good to go in the serious. Yeah, it's the connection, actually. Yeah, connection.
SPEAKER_00Yes, the connection! I love it. That's true, that's true.
SPEAKER_01That's so cool. I'm curious about like your s your mu do you have music and like a soundtrack to uh your uh animation? Wait, I'm gonna show you. Yes, we have. I make music. I've always been so interested in like um how that goes about because I know you have to have like sound effects and stuff like that, and uh a lot of uh uh uh people don't really take that or really think about like all that going into consideration. And I remember seeing a um I remember learning about this in school. Um, my music teacher was like, if you watch a movie, you do you ever think about like what it would be like with no music, no sound effects? And then we was like, we never really thought of that. And then he actually showed what it would sound like, and it it just felt like it was just so weird, it just felt like it was missing something. So it's so important to have like music and stuff like that. So I love dipping into that.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I love diving deep into the music of Beyond Light. Seriously, I love this question, and it's jazz too. Yes, and I developed this music with like consulting with so many people. My um African-American folks and like the Korean folks, everyone around the world, like just for the music. Oh, I'm gonna show you. Hold on. Wait, wait. Yay! It's on SoundCloud, actually. Beyond Light Soundtrack. I think it's not a visible, but they have their Oh, you have your own playlist? Oh, it's just beyond light soundtrack. I think we have like three tracks already. Oh, two.
SPEAKER_01Oh, that's really cool. Oh, two, yes. And when you Yeah.
unknownYeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Oh, when you um made the soundtrack, or did you have like an idea of how you wanted the the music to sound? I know you said jazz, but um it uh or did you just like reach out to someone and be like, do your thing.
SPEAKER_02Oh, and I actually am the type of uh director who loves to like uh communicate with my sound and music team, so there's a lot of communication. But the thing is, I want to tell you about this side of the music of Beyond Light that I haven't like told publicly. Maybe this will be special.
SPEAKER_00Excuses!
SPEAKER_02So uh yeah, Beyond Light characters, each of their own, they have their uh characteristic for their music. Take an example of Jin Young. Jin Yang is a Korean guy and he is a performer and he's a very kind-hearted person. So I gave his instrument is a piano and violin. And I also learned his theme song from the Korean music called Arirang, and I also consulted with a Korean musician on like, hey, do you have the nose for Arirang? I'm gonna try to learn it for my character Jin Young, and they're like, here you go, this is uh national music. Uh like okay, yeah, so that's for Jin Young. I also have one for Kid Cody Jones, he's uh an African-American character, voiced by Stud.
SPEAKER_00Stud.
SPEAKER_02I also developed with Stud for Kid's um familial connection familiar connection, and for the music, I also worked with a South African singer. I kind of developed that to uh I think kids genre is more leaning to hip hop. Oh yeah! And then I had Arturo. Arturo's Dem is on the SoundCloud already, and it involves a lot of like guitar because he's a very like gentle person. He's a quiet, mysterious old man, and of course the sound gotta be guitar. Yeah, so that day, I think it took me like one week to help, like uh no, I didn't help. I didn't got anyone's help actually. I did it myself, and it was so funny. I had to learn guitar on like one week in a spent of one week. I did like play I played so many notes, and people in my house were like, What are you doing? Yeah, it's the same for drum. Drum is for Jake, Jake Watterson, the cop guy. His instruments are drum, and I had to borrow my cousin's drum. So sometimes when I work on the music, it's usually like nighttime. So when they're having a family dinner, I'm like playing the drums, blum blum blum, and they're complaining too. Like, why are your notes so bad? Can't you just play properly? And I'm like, I'm composing jazz, I'm making art, yeah, jazz art. Leave me alone making the jazz. Making the jazz, especially the sacks, the trumpets, it's not easy at all. Cause like I have no idea how do how do they work.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's amazing. Hearing like uh it was like seriously like sounds like a person singing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's it's a very difficult instrument from what I heard.
SPEAKER_01It's I think it's a wind, I don't I don't I'm brass. I think it's a brass instrument. But I don't know if they use reed. I think they use I don't think they use reeds. I think they use like a mouthpiece that they screw on to the saxophone. Oh, it's it's it's really cool. I because I tried it. I was like a year in the flute too, I was like, I can't do it. Nope! Yeah, I can't flute the floor.
SPEAKER_02I just declared with flute. That's why none of my characters have flute and their theme song instruments. No one uses flute. I can't. Yeah, I mean I can do I can like have I make jazz music and all, but I draw the line at flute. I have I remember that when I had to perform control, yeah, when I have to perform with like learning flute in elementary, and like my teacher was so frustrated because the notes are so bad I I kept getting it wrong.
SPEAKER_04Hear it now! Oh no, you won't! It's forbidden now you wanna know what's first?
SPEAKER_02This is our country's national anthem were saying like hey, you didn't you did not learn anything? That was disrespectful, and I'm like, I can't do flute!
SPEAKER_01I can't, I just can't at least you tried, you did all forever like yeah, so yeah, at least I tried.
SPEAKER_02I mean it's a national anthem. Why don't you just tell me to sing? Can you sing as well? No, no, I can't. No. I mean, if if if the no, I mean I remembered this one time because like the whole the whole people in the band, I was like, I used to play the keyboard. But then okay. The the guy who played the keyboard broke his hand. Oh no, I mean yeah, so there's like wait, wait, I have to explain it from the start if you don't mind. So there are like two keyboards. There are like no me there's like me and this guy. So this guy can play keyboard, he can sing, and I can only play the uh uh keyboard.
SPEAKER_01Oh card.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So when I got the role for the keyboard, and I think that time it was like some sort of test, but he didn't got the keyboard because again he wanted to play, but that time he broke his hand. So I got the keyboard. So it turned out that he sang. But there's another trouble. He lost his voice. Yes! So it was a very terrible week for him. He lost his voice, he broke his hand, and like we we ran out of members. Like, who's gonna play the keyboard then? Who's gonna do no? I'm gonna do the keyboard like who's gonna sing? That's the thing, right? So we tested everyone again, and no one can sing, but like the teacher said, Okay, you sing the keyboard, I will pass it to someone else.
unknownSo that's yeah.
SPEAKER_02It was a very good thing. Yeah, it was so absurd because how can the guy just like he broke his hand and he lost his voice, and like now I'm getting away.
SPEAKER_03What's going wrong?
SPEAKER_02I know, like there's so much mess going on there.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh, and how do you feel singing? Did you he was like, yeah, uh or were you like I I I don't think I will sing again for the rest of my life.
SPEAKER_02I I am sticking to making music styles.
SPEAKER_01Just in the shower, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, that's weird.
SPEAKER_02Like, stick to the projects Yeah, there's a lot of like absurd things going on in the band, and like, okay, you know what? It doesn't last really long because I'm not even a good vocalist.
SPEAKER_01Wow, the the but the fact that you like you were playing the instruments trying to get like the wow the sound that you want right, that is so cool. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02I mean, like I look at music on my own, and it was like I I listened to so many references, especially with Jin Yong and his Ari Rangdim, and like Jay with the Korean rap and like Jake Drum, our true guitar, and like so many other instruments that I have to learn, and like I even borrowed my friend's instrument. Like, I came to their house barging the door, and I'm like, hey, I'm borrowing your guitar to make music.
SPEAKER_01Yes, you're gonna and is there any advice or tips or tricks that you can give to an aspiring director, casting, producer, project creator, something that maybe like it that helped you along your journey as well, or any tips in general?
SPEAKER_02I actually do have a message. For my fellow aspiring directors, I feel like what's best is to just for yourself, you gotta believe in yourself. That is very important. Because if you don't believe in yourself, you listen to what others said about the bad things from you and you like spiraling, that is not gonna be smooth for your project. Because again, when you're a director, you gotta stay true to yourself, you gotta communicate with your team. But the best of all is take care of your own self first. A lot of directors are neglecting their health, but if you are unhealthy, everything will be like the arc. Yeah, exactly. So nothing will run smoothly, so it's best to take care and of course believe in yourself, communicate with your team, find great people, and of course, always learn. You'll always learn along the way, you'll learn a lot of stuff. Like, yeah, you know, people make mistakes, like I said. I do make mistakes, but it's best that you always forgive them, forgive yourself, and you apologize when you need to. But the best thing about being a director is you learn and you believe. Yes, I love that. Oh my god, I I sound like a wise grandpa. I'm not, I'm not using I saw like the the grandpa from Avatar. Oh yes! So it's channeling through you. Like when you ask the question, like, what's your message? And I'm like, okay, Uncle Iroh, you got me. Yes, yes, protecting my inner Iroh. Yes. Sorry, that is something I got something for you.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah. I'm gonna show you. Hold on. It's something. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, let me so visit it.
SPEAKER_02Okay, there you go. There you go. You made Yes, it's you and your characters outfit. Yes, River! I wish I could like give you a hug. Oh my god, that is so cool. Thank you. Of course, I mean, it's because I'm honored to be here. Like, I got here like in a podcast hosted by you, the Star Jackson, and oh I even like started to watch your character scenes. I want to hear your voice there. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so I made this part of you. Oh my gosh, that is so sweet, Riva! Thank you! Wow!
SPEAKER_00I'm happy.
SPEAKER_04And it it looks amazing.
SPEAKER_02Oh wow. I'll take I'll let you take a peek again. Oh can I take a picture? Yeah, absolutely. Wait, the light is really bad. Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait. Okay, there we go.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh, thank you so much, man. Absolutely. I think that's like my first piece of fan art, I think. Well I think for Ardunia, like mixed with me. Yeah. That is so oh yeah, thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02I'm preparing this before like right before the podcast. I'm like, you know, I gotta mix something for star. I gotta.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god. I oh my gosh. I appreciate that so much. Thank you, thank you.
SPEAKER_02I appreciate you for like you're a great host. I even like told my friends and family, everyone around me, like, hey. Can't wait for them to see! Yes, I know, right? You're a very great host. It's so fun to talk with you. Like this means a lot. Yeah, I think like I've never been having this much fun into in an interviewer podcast. Really? Yeah, I thought joking. Like, if I can give this podcast a rating, it will be an 11 out of 10.
SPEAKER_01Oh, my cheeks are for smiling. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02But I I I have so much things to give to you. I can't do much, but like I can give you this arm.
SPEAKER_01Oh, that is oh my gosh. I appreciate that so much.
SPEAKER_02You're always so bright. And like it inspires me. Your words on Twitter. I save them. I it's for like a reminder to me. Yeah, I do. If you see a bookmark, that's me.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02Like every time I open Twitter and your encouragement comes up, I'm like, you know what? Like, retweet, and bookmark.
SPEAKER_04You you inspire me. Thank you so much. That is so cool.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh, wow.
SPEAKER_04Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01I I'm I'm really hi You guys like the the podcast and and I isn't like so fun having you. I already knew like we were gonna have so much fun yapping and so much laughs. Oh my gosh. And I'm I'm I just wanna say like um you you are so inspiring as well. Like doing all of this yourself and and um grinding out since you were like 11 and then like putting it up to where it is now. The pilot's almost out, and I'm so excited to see what else like you cut you come in store, and like um even having like the app and making sure like you're so kind and and like it's just amazing, and I'm so excited for you, and and you're a boxer, which is so cool! Like you're you're like tough inside and out, like what? Like, just out of like your face getting messed up with you, like I still gotta write. Like, that is so inspiring. So wow, yeah, of course. Like, keep please keep doing what you're doing and and be be happy and have the most fun time. Like, oh, I'm so excited for you. And I'm gonna put the link, guys, if you want. I'm gonna put the link of everything below. The Kickstarter if you want to support, um, and see the the pilot when it comes out. I'll put all of that below. And then River, um, if they want to like get in contact with you, wanna do anything with you, where can they find you at? What's your username?
SPEAKER_02Riva Not. Riva Not is that simple. Rivernaut. I don't even know what that means. It's just a mix of River and Astronaut. Thank you though. Oh! I don't want to be an astronaut. I don't know why I put Riva.
SPEAKER_01I was just about to ask. I was like, did you want to be an astronaut? Yeah, I don't know why. This makes sense. I like it though. Like, I it's very memorable too.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's like it's just like RiverNot. It's so simple. Back then I used to like switch up so many usernames, but I stick to RiverNot now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's so hard to find a username that you like and stick by, and that people will know like you from and not not switch it up to be a while. Yeah, yeah. That's true, that's true. We just try to make it out here. Yeah, that's right. Like I said, we ball. We ball! That's gonna be the name of the episode. We ball! We ball! I'm with you forever.
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