Why Women Are Sicker Than Ever (and How to Actually Heal) with Katie Galvin

This episode is for the mom who has tried everything — the testing, the protocols, the supplements, the influencer recommendations — and still does not feel like herself.

In this conversation, MaKenzie sits down with Katie Galvin, a women's functional nutrition practitioner, postpartum educator, and guide who helps women reconnect with their bodies, reclaim their authority, and heal from the inside out. Katie blends the science of female physiology with somatics, quantum biology, and feminine healing to help women move beyond fear-based conditioning and into deeper vitality and self-trust.

Together, MaKenzie and Katie unpack why so many women feel disconnected, depleted, and dysregulated — and why the conventional and even functional health models are failing them. You'll hear why your body is never broken, only communicating, how stress, suppressed emotions, and held trauma physically show up as thyroid issues, hormone imbalances, and chronic symptoms, and why true healing requires a mind, body, and spirit approach — not another protocol.

This is one of the most expansive conversations on the show. If you have ever felt like you cannot trust your body, this episode will give you the language, the science, and the soul to come home to it.

What We Cover

Katie's personal journey from a complete postpartum health collapse to functional nutrition, female physiology, and reclaiming her body. Why so many women are struggling with thyroid issues, hormone imbalances, autoimmune conditions, and chronic stress. The three types of stress (mental, physical, biochemical) and why women's bodies respond differently than men's. Why your thyroid is not broken — it is responding. The role of fascia, held emotions, and stored trauma in the female body and how to begin releasing it. Why hydration is not about ounces — it is about minerals, structured water, and intention. The truth about electrolyte powders, magnesium trends, and why most women actually need sodium and potassium first. Why generations of women have been conditioned to fear and outsource their bodies — and how to take that power back. How to start trusting your body again, especially in postpartum, and rebuild that connection from a place of curiosity, not pressure. Why true healing requires mind, body, and spirit — and why even functional models fall short when they only address the physical.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

All right, today's conversation is for the mom who feels like she's trying everything to feel better. But the more she does, the more disconnected she actually feels. So I am joined by Katie Galvin, a functional nutrition practitioner, postpartum educator, and guide who helps women reconnect with their bodies and heal from the inside out. She brings such a grounded whole body approach, blending the physical, emotional, and energetic, especially in seasons like postpartum, where so many women feel disconnected from themselves. So this is going to be a very, very powerful conversation around trusting your body, simplifying healing, and what it actually looks like to live in alignment with how your body was designed. So, Katie, I am so excited to have you here. Thank you so much for having me on. I'm excited. All right. Why don't we start with just kind of a little background about how you got to the point that you are today? Share about your kiddos, share about your human design profile, and then we'll get into the questions. Okay, awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

Um, well, I think how I got here, um, it was like a third life pivot. Um, kind of during COVID, I was in the situation where I was either going to quit or be fired from my job. Um and I had realized that I was just, it was not aligned what I was doing anymore. I used to be a speech language pathologist working mostly for school districts, but also um in the medical system in like skilled nursing facilities. Um and then COVID happened and we lost our childcare. And I had just realized, you know, like this is the universe kind of giving me that shove to come more in alignment with what I was actually meant to do, which was um start a business deeply serving moms and women and families. And um it's kind of one of those stories of like pain to purpose, how we don't really know why something is happening to us in the moment, but afterwards it all becomes clear and you're like, wow, this was a divine realignment. After I had my daughter in 2016, I basically had a complete health collapse, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. Um, and at the time, um, I didn't know, but I had an undiagnosed thyroid condition, which I even look at that differently now in terms of how I view the view the body and symptoms and things like that. But at the time, I was told that I had severe postpartum anxiety and depression. Um, I didn't understand my body. I had been previously incredibly healthy, didn't even have like a primary doctor before I got pregnant and had my OB. Um, and so that really just rocked my world. Um, and I went through this period where I just did not trust my body. I didn't trust myself. I didn't trust my body's ability to heal. Um, and long story short, I ended up on three different psychiatric medications. And because that wasn't truly my issue, um, I can't had a real come to Jesus moment where I had to decide I was like, this is a heck no for me. Like, this is not making me feel better. Um, my body was still not getting what it needed. Um, and I ended up basically being in the position where the psychiatrist that I was working with was like, when I think you're ready to come off of these, I will tell you how. And so I felt really trapped. Um, and so I was like, absolutely not. So I started anything I could get my hands on, I started researching so many things, so many books, and I was like, I'm gonna do this for myself because absolutely not. This is not gonna be my life. Um, this is not the kind of motherhood that I want to experience. Um, and so that's really how I found myself on this path of like functional nutrition and female physiology, just really understanding pregnancy, understanding postpartum physiology. And as I learned that and picked up my certifications and my trainings, I was like, oh my gosh, I had so much trust and understanding in my body and belief and just the entire way that I viewed life in general as not happening to me, but happening for me. And like, this is what God put me here to do. It completely changed my life. And I just like could not shut up about it. And when I started applying it to myself, I started applying it to my family. I saw my kids' health change, I saw my husband's health change, I saw my like my extended family's life change, I saw the women that I worked with, their lives change and not just their lives, because through extension, their kids and just the way that they saw themselves drastically changed. Um, and you know, we have so many things that led me here. Like my daughter had a huge vaccine reaction when she was younger, which completely changed our lives because we were no longer able to send our kids to public school in the state that we live in. Um, so it was really like as soon as I realized though, all of these things happened and they were so deeply in alignment with our values and what I actually wanted, but never even realized that's what I wanted, that's when it all shifted. Um, yeah, and I've just picked up these little pieces as I've gone along. Um, came into human design as well, which I incorporate a lot with my clients. Um, I am a four-six generator, emotional authority. Um, yeah, and I have a nine-year-old little girl who teaches me things absolutely every day. She heals me in so many ways. It's definitely not always comfortable. Um, but yeah, I absolutely love her. And my little guy just turned seven. Um, and he is just such a special guy. He is a Pisces stellium. So I know he has a lot to bring to the table. And um, yeah, he again shows me so many things. I think our kids and um our spouses are our closest mirrors, and yeah, that's where I'm at.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

We uh so Katie and I are the same human design. So whenever we got on here, I literally told her, I'm like, I could feel her energy when we turned the cameras on. And I'm like, I just feel like like our vibes were just like super connected. And then we started going down like uh, you know, a little bit of rabbit holes before we hit the record button. And um, we just are very similar, um, have very similar outlooks on life. And um I a little bit about my story is um I I lost my dad to suicide and he was on a ton of psychiatric drugs, um, did a couple of like experiments and obviously did not turn out right. And after that, I was like, I will never take any type of um psychiatric drug, um, but postpartum. Um, I had uh I was uh let's see, six months postpartum when he passed and then had my third kid. And I just feel like um yeah, that brings a whole different element to it because um those are similar beliefs that he had were in me. So having to reprogram those also during postpartum and just trusting your body and not feeling, you know, in your element um was such a learning curve. Um so we share a lot of you know similar things of like, you know, that situation though, like I could have let that, you know, take me down, you know, continuously, but I decided like at that point, like this life is beautiful and like God wouldn't have given it to us if it was you know supposed to be miserable every day. So I feel like that totally changed my outlook on life, and I made the choice that day that I was going to live life to the fullest. So I love that we have that same perspective. Uh thyroid. So I know like my sisters, like they deal with thyroid, my mom deals with thyroid. Like, why is that such a thing in women these days? And like you said that you had like an a kind of like an awakening with that. Tell me your story more than that. There's a lot here.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

My brain's like, where are we gonna go? Um, okay, so so the way that I truly view the body now, coming from more of a quantum biology perspective and realizing that every single thing that manifests physically in the body manifests energetically first. And when I say energetically, I mean like mentally, emotionally, um, because emotions are energy. So uh, and if you follow the work or if you're familiar with the work of Gabor Mate, um he's actually done a lot of research showing that women are so much more likely to develop to develop autoimmune conditions. And it's because societally we have been conditioned, at least in the West, to essentially put everybody else's needs above ourselves. We are conditioned to suppress. Um, and so in a lot of, you know, more ancient forms of medicine, whether it's traditional Chinese medicine or Ayurveda, um, when they look at emotions, like there are different organs in the body that hold emotion. Um, and when women are taught to suppress emotions, they are physically held in the tissues of our body. Um, emotions, energy, when they are suppressed, they actually change our cellular functioning because they are reading to our nervous system. And the female nervous system is so much more complex and advanced. We have a more um responsive social engagement nervous system. So we take in absolutely everything, just and there is a very divine reason for that, right? We are the the gender of our species that can create life and carries babies. We need to be more attuned, we need to be more aware of potential danger. And am I safe? Um, and so when we think about from a thyroid perspective specifically, um, and you can also look at it too, like the trachea of our body looks very similar to our cervix and our womb. So, like your um, like if you also want to think of it as like your chakras, um, your throat chakra is inextricably linked as well with your root chakra, like safety. And so a lot of times when we see women manifesting with thyroid issues, it's because we are suppressing emotions. Um, typically it's a lot of suppressed um or repressed rage. Uh, grief is usually underrage. So there's a lot of those things. And so from a cellular perspective, even if you take, let's even take like the metaphysical things out of there, because I realize we just jumped in there and a lot of people might not be familiar with it if they're coming from like a conventional perspective. Okay. So I don't care what you have been diagnosed with. Everything at its root comes down to stress of some form. And when I look at stress in the body when I'm working with clients, I say most people are aware of mental emotional stress, right? Those are our emotions, our relationships, that mental to-do list, um, all of those things that we're aware of. We have to do the bills, the emails, the sitting in traffic, all of that, right? Mental emotional stress. Then we have physical stress. Those are things like um overeating or under-eating, not sleeping well, not resting, if we're over or under-exercising, posture falls into physical stress. Um, so many things can fall into physical stress. If you've had past like injuries or traumas that weren't rehabbed well, um, and then we also have chemical, biochemical stress. Those are things like if we have um, you know, existing hormone imbalances or we have infections or inflammation, things like toxins from the environment, but those are also things like medications, anything that our body has to filter that is acquiring toxic load, essentially. So stress can be any of those three things. Um, usually it's a combination of all three. Um, and those are going to start taxing your stress system in your body. So your adrenals. Your adrenals are directly connected. I say it to my clients all the time: everything affects everything. So you cannot part and parcel out organs. They're all in communication with each other. And women have more complex feedback loops. So we have like an ovarian or adrenal thyroid access. So all of those organs are in communication with each other. And then everybody has like the HPA access, right? Which is what most people are referring to when they say like adrenal fatigue. It's like that hypothalamus pituitary adrenal access. So anytime your body is picking up on threats, real or perceived, any stress, that is going to start down regulating non-essential functions in the body, which the thyroid would be one of those things. Because if you're going to get eaten by a bear or a tiger, um your metabolism, so like digesting your food, um, is not important. Um, reproductive health, so ovulating your hormones, are not important. Um, so women, for a variety of reasons, you can see why that might manifest in physical symptoms of thyroid issues. It is so complex and so integral. And there's all of these different pieces that, yes, like the physical body is typically where most people find it easier to start, like with their diet, with their sleep, with all of that. But there's also that huge mental emotional, like so that mind piece and also the spiritual piece.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

So why is there like yeah, that's the the foundation. So why is there so hypothyroid basically means thyroid is slow.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

So again, that's like downregulating, meaning that like your body has probably been under chronic stress for a really long time and it was kicking out all the adrenal hormones, right? Kicking out the cortisol, like we're gonna beat this threat, we're gonna beat this threat. But long-term high, like elevated cortisol is actually really dangerous to the body. So that feedback loop that we have goes, you know, this isn't working. Like she's still the stress is still here. We don't have the resources anymore. Let's dial this down and conserve. So hypothyroid, which is like the down-regulated thyroid. This is also when people are talking about like Hashimoto's, which has an immune component related to it. It's a little bit different, but it all comes down to stress of some form. Um, that's hypo, right? Is the downregulating. We've been so stressed, chronically elevated cortisol for such a long time, the body goes, this isn't working. Let's downregulate, let's conserve, let's turn things down. Whereas hyper is um something is reading again is like a threat to the system that also has like an immune component to it when we talk about something like graves. So being hyper, which is what the first phase that I was in postpartum, um, which is relatively common, um, postpartum thyroiditis. Typically you can swing from hyper, which is more um like inability to sleep. So like severe insomnia, really sweaty, really shaky, um, digestive issues in terms of like you eat and like everything runs through you, um, just feeling like anxious, super wired, super wired, but really tired. That's hyper. And then hypo think everything's slow. So more depressed mood, feeling super exhausted all the time, uh, gaining constipated, yes, gaining weight. Um, and so depending on and it's completely possible to swing back and forth between the two. So yeah, it really has to be everything because a lot of times when I see women, even women who are on thyroid medications, if they're not feeling better, it's because they have not one addressed the underlying emotional energetic components, like the trauma, if you will. Um, and they are um also not addressing it from like a cellular perspective, which minerals for that are huge, because uh minerals are what regulate your cells being able to get things in and out. So for a lot of clients, when they're on thyroid medications and they're still not feeling well, it's because they have not addressed the big picture. They're like, oh, thyroid hormones are low, let's just give more thyroid hormones. And I'm like, guess what? The thyroid wasn't broken, it was just responding.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Where so obviously I do nervous system work. And so a lot of things that I've been learning lately are about fascia. Tell me what you know, and like obviously, like the cellular, like I know that like that is probably a big part of like because our thyroid is probably in housed by the fascia, which is where the stuck energy is. In terms of fascia. Tell me what you know about that and like how to.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

I get so excited about this, and this is gonna be a deep dive. So for people that are not familiar with fascia, fascia is basically like the web-like structure that gives your body underneath its skin its shape. So it's what holds everything in and gives you shape. Um, and it is meant to be essentially a liquid crystalline structure. So it has to be hydrated, and hydration has to occur cellularly, which requires minerals in order to keep like um the, it's ideally supposed to be what we would call the fourth phase of water, which is like a liquid, jelly, crystalline type structure. So that way the fascia uh is a unified plane that is basically one huge sheet from head to toe. So if we have adhesions or things that are stuck in, even if it's in the bottom of our feet, it's affecting your pelvis. Yes, huge. So I actually like I didn't include this in there, but I actually was certified postpartum and pregnancy corrective exercise specialist. And one of the things that we did was learning about scar tissue, how to resensitize it and how to release adhesions in scar tissue. Because if you've had a C-section and that that is, it's restricted unless you've intentionally either done release work on your own or gone to a professional to have them release it. Um, and so you can think of it like, I don't know if you can like see this, but like if you think of it like a sweater, if there is like a bunch in your sweater, um, it's pulling everything above it down. So, like as you're able to release the adhesions, it opens things up, it allows blood flow, it allows lymph. Um, and without those things, your tissues aren't getting the nutrients that they need. They aren't getting the oxygen that they need. So if your fascia is restricted, you could have like the best diet and the best nutrients. But if you have uh an adhesion, those goodies aren't able to get in there and really heal and repair the tissue. Um, so and in terms of like emotion, they've it's absolutely amazing. Like people who are studying cadavers in labs, so you know, like essentially doing dissections on, you know, humans who have passed away, they don't have restrictions in their fascia. Because they're they're emotions, they're held emotions, and when that leaves the body, they're dead. They're gone. It's gone. It's gone. Yes, they're dead. Yes. So it's it's absolutely amazing. So I've actually really started leaning back into Fasha because I've noticed such a difference. Um, and what I really want to encourage women to do is because this goes along with you know some of the questions that you have that you have prepped um for me in terms of really taking your power back and not being afraid of your own body. Because while it is beautiful to go receive body work from someone, your body and your nervous system craves your hands on it. It craves your hands on it. It wants nothing more than to have your hands on it. It brings such a sense of safety and connection to your body. Um, because no one knows your body should know your body like you do. Um, and for a lot of women, I know for me in particular, like this, that was not the case. Even even in the last couple of years, it's taken me to get to this place where I'm like, I know my body best. I want to know what she looks like in and out everywhere. I want to like touch it and like bring that attention, that care, that connection back into my own hands because that is truly what it means to have that mind, body, spirit connection and have agency over your health. Like to be completely empowered and to have that much trust in your body and in yourself is to learn how to do these things for yourself. And then by extension, like you learn how to do these things to your kids. They're gonna grow up watching you do these things and they're just gonna be normal. And like that's how you heal and break cycles in one generation.

unknown 20:31

Um we could probably talk forever.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

There's one other thing that I oh my God, I feel like um, yeah, we could probably talk forever. There's one other thing that I want to ask you about and also like bring it to attention um after researching um fascia, is that hydration is such a piece. But like I was drinking, like, I don't know, I was prideful. I was like, I'm drinking 80 ounces of water a day, you know what I mean? And I realized like that is actually terrible. And like I need to like I mean, you don't need to consume yourself with the ounces of water, it's more about um the quality. So like the mineral water, and also like really like I take like three deep breaths usually, and like I started it to uh buy like a water bottle where I'm like more intentional about it instead of let me tell you.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

So everybody knows like we do not have an issue with information. This is like the age of information, it's only speeding up from here. What I really want women to understand is this is why I'm so um like women need to understand their body and their physiology so that they can start to use their own discernment and start not like just adapting what all these influencers on the internet are telling them to do. Because as soon as the Gallum Water Challenge came out, I was like, no, this is gonna hurt so many people, like unintentionally. And like these people are coming, I feel like most of them with clean hearts, wanting to help people. And they're being told these things. But a lot of these also come from, like, you know, like the bros, right? Male physiology does not work the way female physiology works. Um, and from the water perspective in general, if you are drinking a gallon of water or even, you know, like two, three liters of water per day and you are not mineralizing it, you are actually flushing minerals out. And so you're actually cellularly dehydrated. Um, so it is not about quantity, it's about quality, it's about proper mineral balance, because I could also go on a tangent about all of the electrolyte powders. So many of them are crap. So many of them are not in the right ratio. And this is what I mean. Like I built my functional nutrition business mostly on lab testing. Um, and I definitely do think they have it a time and a place, but your body is your body. It has its own story. It has, you know, it has its own needs, it has its own requirements. And so if you can look at what your minerals are actually doing, and most of these things you can make yourself at home. You don't need to go buy this fancy electrolyte powder. Those are great for like if you're on the go or like you're gonna go backpack somewhere, right? And you don't have access to that. Um, but so many of the things that you can access are one, really, really cheap and really effective. So you do want mineralized water. You also want structured water, which is really important, especially for the fascia. Um, and yeah, it all, it all um, everything affects everything. Ooh, that's a whole deep dive too. Um, but from like a quantum biology perspective, um, a lot of the water we drink, especially if you are filtering your water, like if you're mindful of like not drinking drinking tap water, if you're using like a reverse osmosis filter, it essentially strips out all of the minerals in the water. So you have to add them back. Um, but uh infrared light also can structure water. You can also structure water with intentions. So you can pray into your water. Um there's like yes, I mean that's light.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

That's light. That is light. Yeah. What about the moon? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

I am the I've been.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

Yeah, the sun, the moon, um, but also like it doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be anything complicated. Like you can literally speak intentions into your water. There was like the Dr. Emoto study um where literally like words were spoken into water and you watch them go from like kind of like a broken structure into like these beautiful, like snowflake looking molecules. It restructures them. Um, how like a natural brook or stream that was tumbling over natural rocks and things like that would structure water. Um, we also want to do that because that helps it actually get into your cells and helps it produce more of what we were talking about in terms of fascia, like that more gel-like structured, um, easy water.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

Well, that's what I read um a study the other day, like with the fascia and like the water like being like its main component, meaning that it is a vibration, meaning that like what you say to yourself and like your thoughts, like those are all vibrations to your fascia, which is a good thing. Well, and this is what's wild too, is when I say that the approach is truly. Open that can of work on like it is hard not to see now.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

When people talk about the mind, so like affirmations or like mindset work, that's only the part of your conscious mind, which is depending on your source, five to ten percent is running the entire show, but like that extra 90, 95% is your subconscious. So any beliefs that are in there that we've picked up over a lifetime, we've picked up generationally, ancestrally, collectively, whatever it is, um, you can say and be doing all of the right things. And if you still have those subconscious beliefs, because the subconscious is what controls your nervous system, um, there's a lot of things we can consciously do to help support our nervous system, obviously, but a big piece of that is run by the subconscious because it's the number one job is to keep you safe and alive. Um and so if you're not also addressing that subconscious piece, um a lot of times if you're like I've tried all of the things and it's not working, that's why.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

Okay, last question about water, and then I want to dig into the main questions that we were supposed to talk about. Um, but what are I mean, minerals like uh obviously that's very overwhelming, even for me being like a you know, an educated end of the phone. I'm gonna back it up a little bit and I'm gonna say most researching to start with.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

Like, what are maybe like the top three minerals that you would have a proper ratio to each other? So those two minerals are what we call basically the body solvent minerals. They keep all of the other minerals in a usable form so that they can get in and out of the cell. So like if you remember back from like high school biology when you learn about like the cell, the sodium and potassium pump, that's what we're talking about. So not enough sodium, not enough potassium, too much one, too much the other. That pump to get things in and out of the cells, whether they're nutrients or toxins out, not working optimally. Um, so sodium and potassium have to come first. And when I see women with thyroid issues, it is almost any issue, any issue. But thyroid in particular, since that's what we were talking about, they are depleted of potassium. And so when they're doing these electrolyte powders and things like that, which most of them don't have uh the potassium ratio, they're mostly either sodium or magnesium and calcium, their body's not even doing with that, what it should be doing. Um, and so what also happens is when we're taking willy-nilly all these supplements, which is also I have an issue with all these influencers being like, everyone should take magnesium. I'm like, oh no, they shouldn't, because if they don't have enough sodium potassium, their body can't use that magnesium and it's imbalancing a whole bunch of other minerals. Um, and so when that happens, also when we look at this long-term pattern of chronic stress, um, which again is all the things, or when we even look at like conventionally what, you know, prenatal vitamins, what's in all of those, women are like magnesium and calcium, and they're not paying attention to these other ones. If you take too much calcium, it will build up in your tissues. It will also calcify the outside of your cellular membranes. And so you can't even get your thyroid hormone into the cell. So it's not your thyroid, it's producing hormones, but you're feeling hypothyroid because the thyroid hormone can't get in the cell because you are taking too much calcium.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

Okay, I want to get to at least a couple of these questions because I I know that obviously we have uh allocated only an hour for our time. But um I think the first one is just like really important that I want to address is like I think so many women have been conditioned to believe that healing has to be like so complicated and like testing protocols, like constant just like doing, like building this huge, like you know, regimen. At what point did we start like distant idea that body already knows how to heal?

SPEAKER_02 28:48

And what is it to bring in a little bit of like what's not doing to women like more topics? Um, we could honestly start with like more of a modern take in terms of like when traditional and holistic medical institutions um were essentially overridden by the Rockefellers with the Flexner report um in the 1910. Um they basically shifted generations of natural holistic medicine and institutionalized it in favor of a more science-backed, which basically just meant financed by the Rockefellers who were standing to profit on it. Um there's the creation of modern obstetrics uh in the 1840s, which basically took the care and health of women out of very like educated hands of women who were midwives, who were healers that had ancient knowledge and traditions and put it into the hands of unskilled men who were essentially experimenting on unwilling female bodies. Um, yeah, I mean, and this can go all the way back to, you know, like the witch trials, where again, midwives, healers, women who had all of this knowledge, who were not only healing other people, but teaching them how to heal, were essentially, you know, victimized, persecuted, um, and eradicated. Um, and all the way back too, you can look at it in terms of when the divine feminine was taken out of religion and all the way back to the formation of original sin. Um, I feel like that is a huge piece because it really made women the scapegoats for society and began this very deep generational process of conditioning women into shame and guilt. There's a lot there. That could be an entire um episode, but long term, this has essentially resulted in the suppression of women and it's manifested in guilt and shame and a profound distrust and fear and disconnection from our bodies, um, which is incredibly damaging. It's essentially trained women to outsource all of their um their health, mind, body, spirit into authorities who never really were authorities on female bodies. And I think what's amazing is we're starting to see this collapse in real time, um, which feels very destabilizing and very scary. Um, but I think it's actually like a returning to um what was always kind of meant to be and where how women were actually meant to not only care for themselves, but like their children and families and a collective. So it's very deep-seated. We've been taught to pathologize absolutely everything about our bodies.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

Yeah. Wow, and that is a lot to unpack and the craziest thing and just how it's played out in my life recently is I just wrapped up a book of uh Mary Magdalene revealed. And um, like I told you, like before um I grew up Christian, um, and that has like opened my mind up, but like has made me love Christianity even more. So like that's what I want women to know. Like, yeah, you know, it is a little uncomfortable, like knowing what you grew up on, like isn't the truth. But also like it's made me feel like so in power and love like being a woman, like so much more and like love myself so much more that like you gotta go down the road, like you gotta address it and like yes, it doesn't feel great at first. So lots of lots of like shame, lots of I feel like the outcome.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

Be humble, don't hurt people's feelings like that. Amazing. All of you feel like that. So I when I went through the beginning of my deconditioning journey, it was the same thing. And what I always tell myself is there is always truth in the lies. So it's not throwing all of it out, it's unpacking things and finding what resonates with you and realizing that at the source of all of it, like although humans are always gonna struggle to articulate it, because how can you possibly articulate the divine? Like it's all the same thing. We are all like connected. There is no, there's no separation. That is the greatest lie. So anything that feels like guilt, shame, constriction in your body is not the truth. And so I think the more you can go through that and the more I went through my deconditioning, it was really about coming back to like, okay, like does that feel truthful for me? Like what resonates, like what it, what feels freeing, what feels like love, unconditional love, what feels like expansive, like that's the truth.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

So you talk a lot about like trusting the body. Um, but for a lot of moms, like especially somebody who's just, you know, recently postpartum, like the trust feels like completely gone. Like you now are absorbed by like keeping this baby alive. Like you you do have to kind of put yourself not on the you know back burner by any means, but that's how I feel like we are programmed and what we're programmed to.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

I mean, again, going back to kind of how does that like a disconnection with each other? But honestly, this disconnection is a good thing. What does it really look like for a woman to start like rebuilding that relation back to Western society specifically? Everything is pathologized from the time of that first menstrual cycle. Um, we're taught to look at the body in Western society. We're taught to look at the body as like this machine that just breaks down and is just broken and like, you know, like just we don't know why that happens. It just breaks down and darn it, like bad luck. You better, you know, figure it out. Um, and so we look at the body as like this machine. Um, and this narrative has really been allowed to take root because most women were never taught about how their body works, about how it's designed to function and how truly miraculous it is. And so I think a lot of this starts with, you know, how a lot of us, especially in our generation, saw our moms relate to their bodies, with um how we experienced our first menarchy, like that first menstrual cycle. These are rites of passage that most women, one, either didn't see or weren't talked about. They weren't celebrated most of the time. Um, and at worst, a lot of times they're very shameful, very embarrassing, like, oh, hide your pads, hide your tampons. You don't want anybody to know you're bleeding. Um, you know, and so for a lot of women growing up in a culture that just deeply ingrains shame about our bodies from for very, very natural processes, like not even just natural processes, but these divine processes, right? Like this is what allows us to literally co-create with God and like bring a physical, like a soul into a physical body. Like, what? That is amazing. And we're taught, like, yes, and we're taught, ew, like that's so gross, but hide that. Um, and even beyond that, so like from that first menstrual cycle, it's like women are taught to pathologize it in Western culture. Oh, your periods sucks or you have acne, go get on birth control. And then, oh, when you're ready to have a baby, go have a baby. But like, don't learn about pregnancy. Like, don't learn about your physiology, how it changes. Like, go to the doctor. Yeah, like go to the doctor, you know, where we're taught all of the things that can go wrong. We're taught to fear birth, to not trust our body because we don't understand it. We're told that's not in part. Right. And then we have the baby in postpartum. We don't understand postpartum physiology. Most women do not have the structures in place because society doesn't support what a postpartum body needs in order to actually function the way it was designed. And so what do we do? We blame the body, we blame them, blame the mom. Oh, you have you have a psychiatric disorder, better go get on meds. So absolutely everything at every single stage for women is pathologized. Your first period, if it's a problem, go medicate it with birth control, pregnancy, don't worry about it, accept all the things that can go wrong. And then we get this cascade of interventions, which most of those honestly uh take you out of the way that your postpartum physiology is meant to be designed. And then we blame the mom and say, oh, it's your body, oh, it's your mind that's broken. And it just goes on and on and on. We've lost our rights of passage, we've lost our knowledge of how our body works. Um, and so I think to just start rebuilding this connection, I think it actually first starts with learning about our physiology, like female physiology, specifically how it works. Um, because when you actually understand the female body, especially from this like quantum perspective and understanding that it is all a co-creation with the divine, like your body was so divinely miraculously designed, it's never wrong. It's never wrong. It's only ever communicating with you, it's just responding to its environment. When you understand that and how it works, you cannot help but come back into trust and connection with your body. And you like see it for like what a blessing it is and what a miracle it is. And so it starts with understanding it and then it starts by actually honoring it, being able to start attuning to its needs and consistently honoring what it is that your body and your mind and your spirit are all asking for.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Feeling like so many emotions right now. Like, I feel like crying, I feel like laughing, I feel like you know, giving you a hug. Like I just want to like, it's just like all the emotions because it it is truly like every woman, you know, I've been on this healing journey for quite some time now, and I'm like, I just want to scream it to the world. This is where our you know role model comes in of like, yeah, every mom has to know this. Like it is every woman has to know this. Tell your daughters about this. Like, my daughter will know how a period works before she even starts it. She will know how to track it, she will know that it is beautiful and it is like I mean, the feeling of it. Like, I love when my periods come because I'm like, I'm just shedding like the the yuck, like the old beliefs, like the old, I don't know, toxins. Like, I love my period. I love being a woman, and I'm just like, I just, I love everything that you're saying. And we're already doing it.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

I really think this, the the millennial generation, we are the uh Pluto and Scorpio generation. Like we are literally here to break cycles. And I a lot of us are are finding ourselves in this position of doing it. And what's beautiful is we can do that in one generation. Um, and it can not only like heal ourselves. It I mean, it is a process of healing yourself, but also like our children and it forward, like generations forward, generations backwards. Like this is why I'm so passionate about like when moms truly heal and not from a place of like constantly needing to heal and being broken, like coming at healing from a place of wholeness already, but just learning. Like, I feel like for moms too, there's so much conditioning around being selfish and like, oh, it's selfish to do this. And it's like, um, how can you not? Because it's actually not just healing you, like it's healing your children, your children's children, and the collective. Yeah.

unknown 39:38

Somebody who likes just entering this.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

Yeah. You said that the first step is to understand your, you know, physiology physiology. Like we just um, so I mean, and then I'm gonna somebody who like there because that in and of itself can feel like a lot.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

And I think too, it's one coming at everything from a place of curiosity, not like something else that you have to do, like, oh my gosh, now I've got to add this on my list, right? It's coming from a place of curiosity, starting with like that little spark, that little desire of like, ooh, that sounded really interesting. Starting with that one thing. Find your person, find your people online. I truly believe in like what's called magnetic center. It's like when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. Um, and I'm not saying don't use your discernment, but I truly believe that we all come into each other's lives for a reason at the right time, even if it's sometimes just to learn like what is not aligned. Um, but like find your person, follow that spark. I definitely think too, a lot of women who feel lost or disconnected from like what they quote should be doing or like, well, I don't know what the right thing is. Um, one, it is coming back into orienting to your body, like at least finding some time for stillness to be like, what do I even feel like? What do I actually want? So many women don't even know what they actually want. And I think two, um, people who are open-minded into learning about their human design and astrology, it can be so helpful because for most of the women that I've worked with, it is so validating. Um, and like you just you understand, you stop making things about yourself bad and wrong, and you're like, oh, this thing that I thought was bad and wrong about myself is actually like what I'm here to do.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

So we can start there. I love it. I was actually gonna ask you about human design as the last question, but you had answered of just like how it's like helped you navigate your life. Um, so thank you for for that. Um, and thank you for your time. I feel like I could talk to you forever and ever and ever. Um, you are a wealth of knowledge. Um, and I just think that you are such a blessing. And I agree that like people come into your life for a reason. And I feel like um this is a friendship that is forming like before my eyes, and I'm so excited about it. Um, if my audience wants to get more information from you or your resources, what do you have available and where can they find you? Well, they can find me on Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

Um, I'm at KateNgalvin. Um, and I'm mostly I'm trying to get back into Instagram. We've had a little bit of a complicated relationship. So I'm trying to get back on there and being consistent in there. Um, I would say go to the link in my bio on Instagram. You can subscribe to my email list. I talk a lot on there more in depth about a lot of the things that sometimes are too spicy for the gram. Um, and there's so many resources in my bio, lots of free things to start with and things to unpack in there.

SPEAKER_00 42:35

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

I will link it in the show notes as well so that you guys can easily access her. So thank you again, Katie, and we will talk again soon.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

Thank you so much for having me.