Episode 28: “Is It Burnout or Is This Job Just Not It?”

How do you know if you need a weekend off… or a complete career change?

This week, we’re diving into the difference between burnout and misalignment — because sometimes exhaustion isn’t about needing rest… it’s about being in the wrong environment altogether.

We talk about the pressure women feel to “hold it all together,” the signs you may have outgrown your job, and the fear that comes with starting over. From Sunday Scaries to golden handcuffs, toxic work environments, identity tied to career success, and learning to trust yourself again after burnout — this episode gets very real.

We’re also catching up on life lately: pregnancy updates, travel, husbands, Mother’s Day recap, dramatic Yelp review readings (because sometimes you have to laugh through the one-star reviews), and of course… reality TV chaos.

⏱️ Timestamps:
00:00 – Intro
00:31 – Life recap: pregnancy updates, travel, husbands & Mother’s Day
30:40 – Dramatic Email Reading: Yelp Review Edition ⭐️
50:20 – Main Topic: Burnout vs. Misalignment
1:36:00 – Reality TV recap: Real Housewives of Rhode Island + Summer House drama
1:45:56 – Closing thoughts & outro

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to the Work Wives and Real Lives Podcast. I'm Katie. And I'm Ava. We're two best friends and coworkers spilling the tea on business, boundaries, and all the beautiful chaos in between. From workday wins to real life messes, we're talking through it all. Unfiltered, unpolished, and always putting friendship first. Think of it as your weekly catch up with your favorite coworker, Turn Soul Sister. So grab your coffee or your wine. And let's get into it.

SPEAKER_04 0:28

Stunning.

SPEAKER_02 0:29

Stunning.

SPEAKER_05 0:31

Hello, Work Wives and Real Lives Fam. It is your favorite wives. Katie and Ava. Ayo. Checking in. Checking in. Uh, I'm sorry. I'm like half a bottle of wine deep already. I love that. It's been that for real. It's been an evening. It's, you know, my husband had very important, and we're gonna talk about the husband hate because I've got a lot of feedback on it from his alleged friends.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

Yeah. The alleged friends that take him away from his family for four hours to do dungeon shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:14

And this is why I'm half a bottle of wine deep on a Tuesday night when we're filming. We were supposed to start filming 57 minutes ago, but I was not able to do so because he had to run a dungeon. Because he wasn't allowed to do so on Mother's Day, God forbid. And he has to get in his one a week. He had to make up for lost time. So he picks the one night we're filming.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Well, and he didn't do it Sunday, so then did the trash cans.

SPEAKER_05 1:48

So we'll get to Sunday. But um, yeah, no, he's been running a dungeon and Everett's been melting down. So I waited. And apparently I'm not allowed to comment on not even comment. I'm not allowed to report facts on my home life without me just freaking a horrible person.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Right? Like it isn't the handmaid's tale yet, okay, people. I guarantee all the people commenting are men and his friends. So goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye, Kyle.

SPEAKER_05 2:22

Goodbye, Kyle. I wish one of them was named Kyle. I could say that more, but I'll say it anyway. Um, yeah, so we're here. We're back. We took a little uh siesta last week because we were booked and busy. I don't know. Very usual. Schedule's in a line. I don't even know what I did last week. I can't think that far behind me, but I was busy, you were busy. I went to New York. Um yeah, you were in the Big Apple. Big Apple. I think there was like events every night before that. It was just a busy channel. Children were children.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 2:54

Children. Anyway. So we didn't film last uh week. There's a boats and hoes group chat. Oh, that's yeah. Um, anyway, let me find my notes. So today we are talking about we need to get into the title quicker before we dig into the it will happen. Yeah. Um so tonight's like tonight, today, whenever you're watching this, this morning, I don't know. Morning, after evening. Yeah, we should probably not let me do the intros anymore. It's fine. You're doing great. Is it burnout or is this job just not it? Which I have experience in for sure, as we've talked about, me leaving my last company. Ava's not allowed to leave, so I don't really know what she's gonna contribute to the conversation, but we can talk about our burnout. Yeah. She's burned out. She's been burnt out. She's burned out. That's fine. We're gonna talk about it. Um, yeah, so let's uh let's hop in. Ava, why don't you start us off strong with your week update?

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Week update quick, easy to the point, you know. I'm still here, still threads. Did nothing. No, did nothing. A lot of things happening, a lot of things moving, grooving. I'm growing. Life over here, 3D printing a child day by day. Oh, that's right. And it is cool. I had a anatomy, um, secondary anatomy checkup, and it's so fascinating, just what you're able to see and view on the ultrasound. So being able to see the babies for heart chambers, and then the blood flow through his veins, and then um brain activity. It's crazy what you can see.

SPEAKER_05 4:43

Can we talk about the fact that you needed a second anatomy scan? Anatomy. Anatomy scan because you are the most boring pregnancy eater, and you're feeding this kid salad, and so he's just napping all day.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

He's just napping. So my first anatomy scan, it was literally the next day after I came home from traveling all day from California. And so I feel as though because I was sitting down the whole day, and then the that night obviously went to sleep, sleeping, and then my appointment was super early in the morning, and so I feel like he just got very comfortable. I don't know if I've announced I'm having a boy.

SPEAKER_05 5:23

Well, we just did. So yeah, there it is.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

There it is. Um, he was just curled up in a ball the whole time, so you could barely see his full anatomy and body, and they're able to get like a good chunk. Uh, we were in that room for quite some time, and so they're like, Yeah, you're gonna have to come back and so we can get like a deeper view and depth into all of it. But yeah, homeboy loved chewing on his fingers, curled up in a ball, just living his best life in that little cocoon. Cocoon. So yeah, went back yesterday and he was roller-poling all the way around, and then he kept like flipping around, and so the ultrasound tech couldn't get a good visual of his full heart and brain, and so I was in there for again quite some time. But he was like, No photos, mom, like yeah, and then he finally hit the right spot and immediately like put his hand over his head and was like, Nope, you cannot look at me. Don't look at me, not today, don't look at me, but yeah, so he's growing. Okay, so I feel like he's gonna be a a big boy because I mean your husband's large. Yes, he was a large baby as well.

SPEAKER_05 6:44

So how big was he?

SPEAKER_02 6:46

Uh I want to say he was between nine to ten pounds. Yeah, that trucks, but also he's gonna hate that I'm sharing this, had to go on a baby diet within the first few months of life on earth because he growed he grew at like a rapid pace and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 7:02

But it's so little, I don't understand.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

I know, I know, but maybe you his whole other side of his family. Every person within his family are giants. I would say he's probably the shortest one besides his sister. Yeah, wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:18

I want to know more about the baby diet. That's fair, that's fascinating.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

Yeah, I mean, he just loved that titty. So, but when I was in my appointment yesterday, the ultrasound tech, she was talking to me about his growth, and she's like, Yep, baby's whoop, yeah, he's looking like he's in good shape, good growth. I was like, Oh, okay, cool. And then I went into my um appointment room with the doctor and she's revealing the ultrasound, and she's like, Oh, baby's really well on track with his growth. I was like, What does this mean? I was like, How big is he? She's like, Oh, he's about one pound six to seven, eight ounces right now. I was like, is that large for where I'm at? But I guess so. Okay, okay, so great. I mean, things are tight in there. I feel it. You feel everything why he's curled up into a ball, he's like, Mom, there's no space. There's no space.

SPEAKER_05 8:13

Your body will make space. I believe that our bodies evolve to fit the humans growing inside of us, which is wild. Yeah. But we need to get the baby out early. And I'm thinking not early. Well, not that early, not this early, obviously, but you don't want to be me and go 42 weeks.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Like, let's correct, no.

SPEAKER_05 8:35

On time to like a week early. Everett, we we forced out a week early, and that was ideal because he was nine and a half pounds a week early.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

No, no, no. He needs to stay in there for the appropriate length of time. And let us talk about how when you are pregnant, people say the wildest things to you.

SPEAKER_05 8:53

Oh, absolutely. They're unhinged.

SPEAKER_02 8:55

They're so unhinged, it's like unfiltered.

SPEAKER_05 8:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Just spewing things at you. This past week, this woman is asking me how far along I am. I tell her, and then she proceeds to tell me about her daughter that went into early labor at 25 weeks and pulls out a premi diaper out of her bag, shows me the diaper. I'm like, oh, cute. Like I'm two weeks away from that due date. Not due date, but from the emergency.

SPEAKER_05 9:27

That point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

Yeah. And so I've just been in my head ever since she showed me that. Like, why would you show a pregnant woman something like that?

SPEAKER_05 9:36

People have no sense of the appropriate these days. I'm convinced.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

It was wild. And so I'm just staying there. Like, what are you supposed to say to that? Like, yeah, complete shock and also like panic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

Insane behavior. But you know, here I am. He's growing.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

He's growing. He's yeah, he's a big boy.

SPEAKER_05 9:59

He's a big boy.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

So yes. Um I haven't discussed with my husband if we're sharing the name to like people outside of our close knit. But anytime I have shared the name with someone, they're like, oh, that's a football player. I was like, it is. Apparently. But the only people that tell me this are like older grown men.

SPEAKER_05 10:23

The only football players I know are on the Kansas City Chiefs currently. So same. And like the big ones, like Tom Brady, obviously, like Drew Breeze. That's about it. Sierra's husband.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

Yeah. I mean, no name. Russell Simmons? Russell Russell Wilson. Wilson. Wilson. Russell Simmons. There's there's a man out there though. There's a famous man.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

I think he's a Rich Simmons.

SPEAKER_05 10:48

No. I think he's like a producer. Kamora Lee Simmons' husband. He does something in he did he's a music producer. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was okay. You know, we're doing the best over here.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

Apparently he's he's a football player.

SPEAKER_05 11:07

I'm a football player.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

Yeah. I'm not familiar. Yeah, I'm not familiar with his work. Apparently he was good.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

Yeah. My dad was the first one to tell me that. And then he was saying how one of I think it's my I find that very obscure that your dad would know this obscure baseball player.

SPEAKER_05 11:29

Well or football player, I mean like your dad doesn't give me like sports vibes.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

Some family member on his side was his attorney. Okay. Fun factoid. I guess your dad likes the clippers, so he likes uh basketball. My brother likes the clippers. Oh. Joe Bidot. Yeah, Joe Bidot likes the clippers. What up? Yes. Um but yeah, fun fact of the day. Um outside of being pregnant, all that fun stuff, we did go see the Double Wears Prada 2. You did. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 12:05

Did you see it? Yeah. So good. I saw it with Jamie and Amy last weekend. 10 out of 10. Rude.

SPEAKER_03 12:11

Well, you moved, so how dare you guys get it? You would have been there if you lived here.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

Um, I thought it was great. I think they did a great job just tying it all together. A little nostalgia from the first movie. I cried at the end, obviously. I love I didn't cry, but I loved it. It was so good. I thought it was so good. Highly recommend all to go see. And then that's pretty much it. Okay. The dogs are dogging, the husbands are husbanding, you know. How's your packing going? You know, it's not because I refuse. Okay, that's fair. I'm boycotting. You packed the last house. You're gonna pack you're not gonna pack this one. Nope, nope. I started to and then as quickly offended and it's like, nope, you know, why am I doing this? No.

SPEAKER_05 13:02

He can either pack or he can pay for packers. Yep. This is how the the world works. How it's going. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

Tell me about you. Tell us how things are at the home front. How are the cyber trucks cybering these days? Oh.

SPEAKER_05 13:18

They're stalking me, first of all. Like, I saw them a lot. I live in Orange County, California. If you live here, you know there's cyber trucks everywhere. But like they are really trying to do that.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

There's a name to this. It's something where you like notice one thing and then it continuously happens. Is it the Mandela effect? I don't know. My husband asked me about psychology. He would know. He probably put yeah, it is the Mandela effect. Where like you notice it and then it just continuously happens. Where you continue to do that.

SPEAKER_05 13:52

Yeah, no, the cyber checks are everywhere. But what I will say is I appreciate the people out there in the wild doing the work. I am getting submissions, and this is not a lie, from all four corners of actually Pacific Northwest. I need you guys to step it up. But otherwise, all four corners of the U.S., like Florida, Chicago, what up, Marissa, New York, New Jersey. Uh, my girlfriend Emily from high school. Shout out, Emily. She's sending me stuff. Thanks, Emily. You wouldn't know her, but she's great. We love her. Um, Marissa up in Chicago, Heather, Kelsey, uh, Mary up in the Northeast. We've oh, I got one from I think from Virginia the other day. Um they're just they're everywhere. Well, let me talk about it. Of course, I'm getting a lot in California.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

Yeah, they're nowhere to be found in Tennessee. I think I've seen it.

SPEAKER_05 14:52

Do you guys even have electric charging stations in your state?

SPEAKER_02 14:54

Like I don't We do in I mean I don't pay attention to it because I don't I have a gas. You don't partake in a gas car. Ugh so sad.

SPEAKER_05 15:06

Um yes, but just because you have to like go to the it's like the inconvenience of like having to like go to the pump and like whenever I get in my husband's car, if I have for whatever reason need to drive it, besides the fact I'm running over half the cars on the road, um, it's always empty. It's always empty. And it's like, why? Just why? So when I do have to go get gas, I'm like, uh, because I haven't had to get gas in like I don't know, three years now.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

I'm just like, this is about charging a car, just like the inconvenience and time that it would take to like sit at a charger. I don't do that.

SPEAKER_05 15:43

I've had to do it once when I didn't plug in my car all the way and it didn't charge, and I had to drive to San Diego for work. Yeah. But I just plugged it into a supercharger and then I took an Uber to where my meeting was, and then I went, someone dropped me off and whatever. But like I've never like actually really sat at a charging station. Like it's always like I either plug in when I get to my office if I again forgot to charge it overnight, or it's just charging overnight.

SPEAKER_02 16:09

So see, I would not trust myself with an electric car because I let my phone go to literally 1% and then it dies, and then I charge it.

SPEAKER_05 16:20

My phone does that too, but it's just because it's Apple's conspiracy plan to kill your phone battery so you buy a new one.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

I refuse to update my phone. There's been an update, I think, recently. So I refuse because I know what you're trying to do, Apple. You're not gonna win.

SPEAKER_05 16:37

My phone dies by 11 a.m. every day. It doesn't matter. Oh, yeah. And I have to recharge it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

Yeah. My husband's always in shock. He's like, How is your phone already dead? It's not even 12 o'clock. I'm like, we got lots to do.

SPEAKER_05 16:50

Apple explain them. There was one time I was teaching a couple of classes and it went down like 50% in battery. And when I'm teaching, I'm not on my phone. I mean, sometimes I am, but like You are sometimes but not the entire three hour vlog. No, no, no. You're really quite getting content and during stretch, or I'm like, I need to text Ava something really fast because it came to my brain. Or I'm like filming a 10-second panorama of the studio. Like it's not, I'm not on my phone for three hours straight. And it goes down like 50% just sitting there. I'm like, anyway. It feels your energy and it's taking from that. Yeah. So that's it on cyber trucks. Keep them coming. I'm gonna make a real service, everyone. I know. I need to get better at the Instagram, social media. I want to do a face of me talking with all and then like all of the cyber trucks I've posted on my stories, like commentary on them. Yes. I need to figure out how to do that. Oh, that would go viral. Yeah, we need to figure that out for you. Speaking of viral, my husband's friends are quite unhappy with my content.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Who cares?

SPEAKER_05 17:57

Who cares what you think, Jeff and Derek? Oh, yeah. No. No. Feather loves it. Um because she feels the exact same way we do. She does. So Jeff's threatening to start his own podcast where he can they can like shit on the wives. Nobody's scheduling that. Let's talk about who had to schedule her own mother's day. Okay. My husband's not scheduling shit. So your podcast would never happen. He uh Corey um trying to make it happen. It's never gonna happen. She's trying to make it happen. No one's gonna listen to it. And Corey goes, What would your podcast be named? like in our group chat. And I immediately respond, the smallest men who ever lived. And just kissed honestly, please, please make it at this point. And that has to be the name. Yep. Um he was like the real house husbands, and I'm like annoying, instantly gag. Like, no, no one wants to listen to that. No, no. Sorry. But it's actually kind of true. They all like work from home and their wives all work out of the home. Nothing wrong with that, but no one wants to listen to your content, okay? No, I'm here to tell you nobody cares. Nobody cares what you have to say. And I'm sorry that all of our truth spilling on facts, like reporting on actualities of what is happening. Great facts. Went semi-viral. So don't do it. And then we will have nothing to talk about.

unknown 19:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 19:24

And also, this is fine. Yeah, Garrett's fine. He doesn't listen to the podcast, first of all. And second of all, he's always warned that he's being blasted. And third of all, he's fine. We're just work wives reporting about our real lives. So okay exactly. Literally. And it's in the name of the title. If you don't want to know what's really happening, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:45

Goodbye. Go somewhere else. Go somewhere else. This is not the podcast for you. This is not in the podcast for you. Not wanted here.

SPEAKER_05 19:51

Oh, anywho, that's it. And the men of Garrett's Live. And then Ryan I did a little girls' trip to New York, which was really fun. Have a little girls' weekend plus Jason for a dinner. Happy birthday, Jason. Happy birthday, Jason. Jason Utter, according to our hashtag Jason. AI. Our AI uh caption generator. That was the best. Yeah, Jason Utter. We love you. Um Thursday was a shit show, per usual. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

Let's talk about the fact that you traveled home from the East Coast on Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_05 20:29

And so to spend the day with my whole with my whole household. Exactly. I had basically been up since midnight Pacific time that morning because I got whenever I have to get up early for travel, I can't sleep because I'm afraid I'm gonna miss my alarm. So we had to be up at 5 45 Eastern time, so 2 45 Pacific time. I had like sleep insomnia starting at 3 a.m. So I really didn't never went back to sleep. So basically I'd been up since midnight Pacific time. I slept, so we'll call it a nap for three to four hours on the plane on the ride home. Shout out Delta, thank you for the Delta One upgrade on the flight home because it was much needed. And I get home at 11:30 in the morning Pacific time, expecting, like, you know, somewhere there, flowers, anything. Yeah, anything. No one's home because um apparently the camping trip I had planned for my husband and son the night before locally to with some other uh dad friends to give him something to do with my child while I took my other child out of town, required him to stay longer than was scheduled. And we had to be in Irvine at one o'clock for lunch with my family. He gets home with my son at 1225. Pretty dirty as fuck from camping. Dirty and smelly. We have five minutes to quick change them. So it's already immediately stressful for me. There's no acknowledgement that it's Mother's Day. My son immediately walks in and starts yelling. At me. He um my husband immediately asked to just start telling me about his camping trip, like not asking how I am, or you know, thank you for my gift, which didn't exist. Um, and then the rest of the day was downhill from there, and then he proceeded to ask me for dinner what I wanted for dinner. And at that point, I quite literally lost it. Audacity. The audacity. Yeah. I quite literally lost it, and I said, the one fucking day I don't want to have to do shit, including make a decision about dinner, which is a there was this like funny threads or ex like thread I read recently about like, hey, married couples, what do you guys fight about if you don't have like infidelity or trust issues? And one of them is one of the responses was like, What do you want for dinner? Because it's just it's so true. I mean, this is our nightly thing. I'm like, you have been married to me for over 10 years. We have been together for over 15 years, and you still don't know what I want for dinner. You still don't know, and you have to ask me, and I have to make a decision on Mother's Day while I'm sitting here trying to watch some reality program. I just want fucking silence. How about that? I want silence and I want you to bring me my steak and mashed potatoes. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

I saw a great meme on the gram for Mother's Day saying, I don't want to answer to or do anything for anyone that has come in me or out of me. Essentially, is the entire point.

SPEAKER_05 23:35

Yes. So there it is, fellas. Do you want to talk about your Mother's Day start? It was a rough start. Yeah. I woke up. You can talk about that if you don't want to.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

I woke up before everyone. And I wake up and immediately my husband starts giving our little girl love before me. And I quit quickly unleashed the kraken. The kraken. Yeah. That was pretty much the gist of it.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:02

These men don't understand. It so in the group chat today, when they were getting mad at me for reporting facts on Garrett's activities, um, I said, Well, I'll try to contain myself tonight when talking about my Mother's Day or lack thereof.

SPEAKER_02 24:20

Hey, maybe we'll get us more listens and views by two people. Maybe. Jeff and Jeff.

SPEAKER_05 24:26

But Jeff was like, Well, you should take that up with your kids because it's like Mother's Day or whatever. I'm like, okay, cool. So the five-year-old is supposed to be able to drive himself to get me a gift, to book the lunch reservations, which by the way, I booked for my myself. Um, is supposed to buy me flowers and like do the whole thing. Like, yes, let's put this on the children. Let's put it on the five. Actually, we're the only two people who gave me gifts that they made at school, which I very much treasure and appreciate. But sometimes you want a purse, okay? And you want your husband to buy you that, or you want a Cartier Love bracelet, which I was promised months ago and it still not happened. So, you know, I do come at me.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:15

For your birthday. Yeah. And then it became an after-talk season thing. And then nothing, quite literally nothing for Mother's Day, besides the gifts that my children's teachers helped them make. And shout out to the teachers. You're doing the Lord's work. In more ways than one, but at least thank you for making sure that moms get something for Mother's Day. Speaking the mother's happy. And thank you to the gods who made Father's Day during the summer because they don't deserve it. Truly. Unless you're a single father, and in which case you deserve the world because that shit is hard. That is hard.

unknown 25:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

I believe the reason Mother's Day is before Father's Day is so that you can, you know, take note of the actions that were made on Mother's Day and reflect the same on Father's Day.

SPEAKER_05 26:07

Oh, that is an excellent take.

unknown 26:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:10

That is exactly why it exists in that order. They are both fake holidays, important holidays, but fake holidays. And I appreciate now that you said that, whoever put them in that order because I will remember. And also, he's getting the trip to Europe for Father's Day, and I got a lunch at the Irvine Spectrum that I planned for myself.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

So worst place. The worst place.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

So parking is terrible. Parking is terrible. There's so many creatures and too many people. Too many people. It's not fun. No. It's stressful. Very stressful. It's dirty.

SPEAKER_05 26:47

Javier's is good.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

Yes. I will go to Javier's. I will go to there's a good sushi place, kind of like on the other side. Um more towards Tarjay and the Apple store. Forget the name. But it's a little bit more quiet.

SPEAKER_05 27:05

I love Javier's. I'm a slut for their crab enchiladas. But they're guaps. Crystal Cove is just too far, so we go to the spectrum and we're not feeling the drive. Not feeling the drive. Not feeling like people watching. What's good? Cougartown, USA. Cougartown, USA. Oh my gosh. Spoiler alert. Cougars. Cougars, speaking of which. Um, so my husband was at our country club on Friday golfing. And it's Coto de Casa Country Club. The land of Vicky, Gunwilson. And they were filming the Real Housewives season finale, like party. You know, they always end with a party. Yeah. For Orange County.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

And Garrett took a video. He did do a great job as far as reporting back to everyone.

SPEAKER_05 27:59

He reported back.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Give him that.

SPEAKER_05 28:01

We are convinced it's a throwback party. Maybe because Vicky's now back on. She got her orange last season or at the end of last season from Andy at Bravo Con, and she's from Kodo. They were wearing very early 2000s clothes.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

They I could not recognize them from that video and photo. I was like, who are these people? I don't recognize that.

SPEAKER_05 28:23

Tamram had like a bump it in. Yeah. It was it's very much early 2000s throwback party. So I'm excited to see the final cut. But they we had got an email because remembers um like a week prior saying that just a heads up, they'd be filming. They didn't say what what they were filming, that they were just gonna be filming on property these days. And then Garrett was there golfing with a friend, and they they sure as sure were.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

There they were.

SPEAKER_05 28:48

There they were. That's exciting. So that was my week. Um work related. I had my one-year anniversary at my new company today.

SPEAKER_02 28:56

Happy anniversary. Thank you. Did they do anything?

SPEAKER_05 28:59

I got like a e-card that all my team members signed, and then I got 50 points to our like employee store, which has they have merch. You can get like company merch, you can get um select products like pre-selected from Amazon or Best Buy. Yeah. Um, but I think I might go. I'm either gonna save them for a bigger purchase, or I'm gonna go for the travel coffee mug, which I'm a collector of. It has the company logo on it, and it's black, and it so matches my car. Good one. I don't actually think I have a black travel coffee mug yet. That was like 36 points, and I had I got 50. So I will say I will always remember my one-year gift at my last company. It was a keychain, and the keychain was maybe this big. Wow. Not that I would ever put a company keychain on my real keychain, no matter who the company was. But it I was like, oh wow. So this I could actually get like a travel mug, but they had some good stuff. That's useful. Um that was like more points, or I mean, there was a lot of stuff you can get under 50 points, it just wasn't stuff I would necessarily use, but I would use a travel coffee mug. So I'll take a like a stainless steel tumbler thing. Cute. Even when I'm not traveling, like if I'm just home on like a Saturday, I still make my coffee in a travel mug because it I just like slow sip it all morning, so I appreciate it staying warm. That's smart. I'm a big cup.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

So I haven't noticed that. Cute. Well, congrats.

SPEAKER_05 30:34

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

You made it. You did it.

SPEAKER_05 30:37

We're here.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

We're here.

SPEAKER_05 30:39

We're here because there are places we don't want to be sometimes, and that's gonna take us to our dramatic email reading of the uh this isn't on the email reading. This is a Yelp review.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

It's a Yelp review, and what a review it was. What a review. It's a long one. Obviously, it's one star. Only the best ones.

SPEAKER_05 31:01

Only the best star reviews are one star. Besides all the five-star reviews, our lovely clients leave us, which we love you. Thank you for that. Yes, thank you for all the heart.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

We love you guys. Keep it coming. Keep the love coming. We love you guys.

SPEAKER_05 31:17

But we also, for this purpose, appreciate the one-star reviews. So that's what we're gonna read today.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

Yes. And I what I didn't know this was left.

SPEAKER_05 31:28

Wait, can I give a shout-out to my friends? Who are your friends? Vanessa and Rocky has our anniversary today. Happy anniversary. Oh yes. Love you guys.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

Shout out.

SPEAKER_05 31:35

Shout out. Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. Have fun at the uh no doubt concert at the sphere this weekend. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

Wasn't Jamie there? I swear I saw Jamie's location in Vegas over the weekend.

SPEAKER_05 31:46

No. Maybe. Was she? I didn't see her this weekend.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

They are huge No Doubt fans, so I don't I don't doubt.

SPEAKER_05 31:54

Wait, let me talk Savage right now. Gave hold on, I'm texting the Gaharis. Gave you a shout out on the pod.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

I have seen people post little snippets of the concert at the sphere. It looks amazing. Amazing. I would for sure throw up. Oh, yeah. Some of it looked like a roller coaster from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory or something, just like going down the whole.

SPEAKER_05 32:25

Our Vanessa and Rocky and Mannes go the no dot concert with them this weekend. We're I'm gone. We're both gone the next two weekends, and I was gone last weekend. So like logistically, I I can't be on four weekends in a row. But also I'm very afraid. So my girlfriend Stephanie is going to the Backstreet Boys because they are doing another run at the sphere this summer in August. And so I I want to go, but I'm also very apprehensive about spending that amount of money on tickets when I very well might be throwing up in my seat. Like the I get like not I don't know if motion sickness is the right word. I can't do like 3D movies. I can't do rides that have like the screens in front of you. Like those make me sick. So I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 33:16

It's a lot visually. Jamie was there. I knew it. I know. I was looking at all of my sims to see where everyone was. And I was like, oh, Jamie's in Vegas. I was like, uh she's seeing no doubt. I know her and Cody are huge fans. Fine. Because well, they started in Anaheim, California.

SPEAKER_05 33:37

And so I feel like have I told you my like Gwen Stefani origin story? Okay. So I grew up nearby, as yes, you you did as well. Um my parents had a house, as people do, and had a pool. And our pool cleaner was Gwen Stefani's uncle. And so this came up in conversation somehow one day, and I was obviously a no-doubt fan. And he who knows if it was real. I'm gonna assume it was. I'm gonna believe that this whole situation is real. But he got me her autograph and he brought it to me one day. That's so sweet. Yeah. And it said like two Katie, and then it like she'd find it. No idea where that is these days, but it was real at one point. And it was on a Homer Simpson like notepad. So it was like Homer Simpson was like, or like it was like a Simpson notepad at the top. Yes. And then like the like it was the characters, and then there was like a white square where you would write, and that's where it was on.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

So late 90s, early 2000s, I love it. I have come into contact with some people and no doubt. Like I'm not legally able to say how. Oh, yes, I can gather where this is going. But they were all very nice people, and uh yes, I freaked the fuck out and embarrassed everyone around me. Wow, that's not unsurprising. Yeah. It's just what I do. Cute little things about me.

SPEAKER_05 35:11

But oh yeah, that happened to us on the weird tangents. Yelper views. Let's do it. All right, you're gonna be the Yelper. Of course. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:25

Um which accent should I do for this?

SPEAKER_05 35:28

Uh it'll just come out naturally. We'll see what happens. I actually have never spoken to this person, so I don't actually know if she has to.

SPEAKER_02 35:34

I've never seen this person, spoken to them.

SPEAKER_05 35:37

But we're gonna assume she has whatever. Yeah, whatever accent Ava comes up with, that's what she's gonna have.

SPEAKER_02 35:43

Awful business practices. They allow you to sign up on their app with no barriers. How dare we? How dare we? The class itself is good quality, the equipment is clean overall, and the instructors lead well. I mean, sounds like it should be five stars.

SPEAKER_05 36:01

Right? Five stars right there. We allow you to sign up easily online like every other e-commerce platform. We have quality staff in a clean studio. I don't, you know, topic over here right there.

SPEAKER_03 36:13

Five stars. This is where it gets dark.

SPEAKER_02 36:16

Oh, not really, but I showed up to my second class two minutes late at 6.02 a.m., leaving my baby at home with my sister. He was crying the entire time I was away. The class locked me out with no grace period of even five minutes. I didn't realize this was boot camp. Well, welcome. Going to 24-hour fitness classes, they allow people to come in and out between the workouts. Yeah, because it's fucking 24 hours.

SPEAKER_05 36:43

24-hour fitness. It's literally in the name. This ain't it, honey. This ain't it.

SPEAKER_02 36:47

No. After the one class in January was used, my three class credits were cleared out to zero and not rolled over to the following month. The new month allowed me to have a new four classes.

SPEAKER_05 36:59

This made me agree to agreement states, but okay.

SPEAKER_02 37:03

They made me agree to three months to get a reasonable price per month of 109. I'm here to tell you.

SPEAKER_05 37:10

No debate there.

SPEAKER_02 37:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:11

It's reasonable. Yeah, it is reasonable. What were you paying at 24 hour fitness?

SPEAKER_02 37:15

We did not make you do anything. You did it on your own terms. This person signed up on their on their own. After a month and a half of not having used my membership, hardly at all, and paying two months. I decided it was not a fit for me. There are no classes available between my end of work and daycare pickup. I went onto the app to discontinue their monthly charges on the app, which doesn't allow you to do. It does. Isn't that illegal in California to not be able to opt out where you opted in? You were able to. Sure is.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

You were able to. Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

We're aware of the purchased it online. Therefore, you're able to cancel online. We get those sadly do all the time.

unknown 37:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

I went in person and was declined to cancel. The receptionist said I had to email the manager to request a cancellation. Shout out.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

Shout out.

SPEAKER_02 38:08

I was sent with an email anonymous. I hate this word.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

Anonymously.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

Anonymous ending.

SPEAKER_03 38:17

They couldn't even be professional enough to tell me what kind of business owner refuses to stay who they are. You weren't talking to the business owner, first of all. No, you weren't talking to the business owner. You're talking to the very freshly pregnant scared manager. Manager, okay. Who's afraid to put her name on the end of it? For what reason, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I was probably just feeling feeling one that day.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

There was a mandatory form that I had to sign before my request was granted. I didn't sign it. Nope.

unknown 38:54

Sure did it.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

And instead wrote in the signature line with a digital pen to stating to cancel it altogether, not charge me for the next month. The manager proceeded to charge me$20 and$109 just to spite me. I don't know where the$20 was. Maybe because she no showed. She that wasn't on showed.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

Yeah, it was on our fault.

SPEAKER_02 39:16

That was on you. I didn't appreciate the lack of respect as a customer and the lack of value I received. No rollover classes, no grace period on the start of a class when you attend, and then the typical greed to take my money away. Honestly, if you are hardcore into their classes, then go for it. But if you've got a complicated schedule and are going some of the time, know that they refuse to give any flexibility and will take every cent they feel entitled to.

SPEAKER_05 39:44

So I have a couple notes here. Now that I've actually read the email. So I chose to, I'm just gonna lay this out in the line. I chose to protect my piece and not read it. And I just copied and pasted it and put it into chat GPT and told me to write a response. So this is the first time I'm hearing it in full. Um, okay, couple notes. I I did revise the chat GPT email or like response, but like I was like, I there's sometimes when you have bad negative energy coming out, you you don't need to hear the whole thing. You get the gist of it. It's bad. I see where it's going. Let chat figure it out. Chat knows me at this point because we work together multiple times a day. So first of all, let's talk about the work end time and daycare pickup time. So we offer classes at in I assume she works during a normal workday-ish schedule, 45 to 5.45 or technically 5.35, 545 to 6. I'm not sure how those don't align with pickup schedules. I'm quite familiar with a daycare schedule and they're typically open till six. So yeah, you have time right there. Uh not really sure what the other time she was looking for. Let's talk about the 6 a.m. classes. So um we are very clear that there are no late arrivals allowed. We do give grace during certain classes when there's a sales associate present to allow late arrivals. But 6 a.m., we have no desk associate on staff that early. And so the instructor is required out of respect for the other clients that showed up on time to start the class on time because they also have places to be. And also for security purposes for not only the studio content but the clients' uh belongings that they left in the lobby to lock the door when it starts. There's creepy crawlers out there, you know?

SPEAKER_02 41:47

You don't want one strolling in no when there's a group of women working out in the dark.

SPEAKER_05 41:56

So yes, the door is locked. Yeah, and the end it is completely unreasonable for the instructor to stop class to go check the lobby to let someone in who arrives late. I'm sorry, this is just the rules. And I think if you're equating boutique fitness to 24-hour fitness, go to 24-hour fitness, please. And let's talk about if that experience is the same. Your price is surely not the same, and there's a reason for that. And I think we all can agree that you get what you pay for in life, and if that's the experience you're willing to accept, go there. I'm totally fine with that. It is a completely different experience, 24-hour fitness to any boutique fitness. I'm just I'm sorry. I've had a 24-hour fitness in my life when I was in college, and it's great, it's great for a certain type of person who wants a certain time of workout at a certain price point, and that's great. And I think you guys should totally do that. I think everyone should do what works for them.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

But don't try to think it's the same thing as boutique and fitness because it's not, it's not comparable one bit.

SPEAKER_05 43:00

So don't try to compare it.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

Yes. Um, also, I do remember this encounter.

SPEAKER_05 43:06

She was like seven minutes late, wasn't she? Not like two.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

She correct. She was because we have cameras, we see these things. Yes. And the second I received this message of her saying that she got to class at 601, I do my research as one does, go on the cameras to see. Yeah. And what do I see is her banging on the windows. Oh, we love a banger. We love we love a banger, but please don't. You're going to break something. Yeah. You break it, you pay for it. Okay, lady. Okay. Um, yeah. And we yeah, looking at her messages to her, we had reached out when she hit one month that she completed three classes and that we love having her in the studio. Keep up the great work. She responded, Thank you. Week later, we texted her saying, Hey, we Haven't seen you in a week. How's everything going? No response. Yep. So her not booking. That's on you. We did our outreach.

SPEAKER_05 44:07

We tried.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

We tried.

SPEAKER_05 44:09

Also, my favorite is when they purchase a membership themselves online and say that there's no barriers to entry. There is things you have to check saying you agree to the terms and conditions. It is all it is way cleaner than buying something in studio because that allows for the argument that, oh, this person told me this and and now you're saying this. That never happened. Like you went on your own, you bought a membership online. Thank you for doing so. But don't say that there was no barriers to purchase. Like you had to agree and acknowledge to the terms and conditions of the membership. It was clearly outlined for you. I have gone through the purchase process myself, just so I can fully understand it from the buyer end. And this is very clear what you're signing up for. Whether or not you choose to read it, that's on you. And I can't be expecting to help you anymore. So again, full disclaimer, I put her entire review as soon as it's one star. I'm like chat GPT. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_02 45:11

I haven't to protect my own piece. I didn't read any of it.

SPEAKER_05 45:16

I uh did edit it because, you know, chat is AI, they don't always get the details correct. Sometimes they're too nice. I have to Way too nice. I have to pivot Katie Flair. But I didn't until this moment read all the details because again, choosing protect my face. So thank you for reading that. You're welcome. Okay. So this is my response. Hi, Blink. Thank you for, and again, this is like overly nice, and this is why I had chat do it because I wouldn't have been this nice. Thank you for taking the time to share your experience. I truly appreciate your feedback and want to address a few of the concerns you raised. First, I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the quality of our classes, our instructors, and the studio environment. Regarding the later rival policy, and this paragraph I like heavily edited because it was like very specific to our policies. I completely understand how frustrating that situation must have felt. Didn't write that chapter, especially given your circumstances this morning, that morning. Our policy not allowing later Bibles is not intended to be punitive.

SPEAKER_03 46:23

Chat word.

SPEAKER_05 46:27

But is in place for your safety and the safety of others in the room, which is true. Classes are structured to build progressively, and an entering even a few minutes late can increase the risk of inner of injury and disrupt the flow for other clients. Excuse me, Pepper. Um she sneezed, sorry. For our 6 a.m. classes in particular, doors are locked for security measures as there is no other staff in that early to monitor the lobby, and we need to start the classes on time for the other clients in class. In terms of your membership and credits, all terms, including class expiration and billing commitments, are outlined in the membership agreement at the time of purchase, which, as you state, you did directly online without prompting or pressure from staff. Because your membership was purchased online, you do have the ability to manage and cancel so cancel your membership directly in the app under the sorry screenshot. Um I find my place again. Oh under the manage membership section. We also provide a cancellation request option via email to ensure proper documentation and confirmation for both parties. So she did have the option because she purchased it online. We are fully compliant with all state and federal laws. Thank you. Additionally, we are always able to extend credits upon member requests if you don't have enough time to use them in the month period. These policies are industry standard amongst boutique fitness studios. I'm sorry to hear that your schedule ultimately didn't align with our class offerings and that the process felt frustrating. That is certainly not the experience we aim to provide, and your feedback is helpful as we continue to improve communication and the overall client experience. Thank you again for your feedback. Wow. Way to go, chat. 10 out of 10. Thanks, chat. Thanks, chat. Sometimes you're just like, better spent is my time. And this kind of leads into burnout and what we're gonna talk about in a little bit. Is my time worth per the energy in the universe standards? You're supposed to respond to all reviews, positive, negative. It helps increase your reach, like whatever, it makes you look good, whatever. Yes. So we respond to all reviews, positive or negative. But sometimes you have to ask yourself, is it worth my mental energy to actually read this review? Or should I let my AI bestie read it and draft a response? And then I can edit that response. And in this moment, and this day that this review came through in this era of life we're in today.

SPEAKER_02 48:59

I think it was your birthday weekend too, anyway. So obviously we're not reading it. We're not reading it.

SPEAKER_05 49:05

I think it was my birthday weekend. And to that I say thank you, chat, and I appreciate you. And you know, I'm sorry that you're sucking all the energy out of the universe with your data centers, but I I love you. I love you. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 49:21

Peace and love your reading for today.

SPEAKER_02 49:23

Yes, I hope you enjoy, and I hope that encourages people to protect their peace.

SPEAKER_05 49:31

Protect your peace. And sometimes a chat response we've talked about like in the past about how AI responses, like you can tell when they're AI or you can tell when it's disingenuous. Sometimes it's not sound AI or anything. That was very genuine. Everything was true. Yeah. And I did edit for specifics of our operations, but sometimes it's not worth your time or your peace to dwell in the negative. And in my birthday weekend when this review came through, we're protecting all peace. We were protecting all peace.

SPEAKER_03 50:11

Yes. We were in protection mode.

SPEAKER_05 50:15

That is that. Let's get to the main topic.

SPEAKER_02 50:18

Let's get into it. Take it away, sister. I'm here to provide.

SPEAKER_05 50:21

Oh. Is this another like TED talk I have to do?

SPEAKER_02 50:25

No, no, I can go over it. So the burnout spiral, we all normalize. Specifically, how women are conditioned to push through everything, the glamorization of holding it all together, wearing all the different hats throughout the day, and why we dismiss obvious signs we're unhappy. So if you were me on Mother's Day, this is for you. Yep. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 50:52

Doesn't have to be about work. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

It could be about your home too. Yeah. It could be at home. And um, I mean, for us, it's just work is so relevant in our day-to-day lives, and half of our conversations daily together are work-related. So we're constantly wearing different hats throughout the day. And um, yeah, some signs of burnout can be brain fog, which I fully have amnesia. I feel every day. I cannot remember what was said to me yesterday. I have to write down every little thing that's said to me. You know what's weird is that I'm the opposite. So yes, I wish I had your brain of like collective memory, because I was even asking my husband today or telling him, saying, I feel like I have ADD because things said to me here, and then I start doing that. And then I remember I was doing something else, and then I start doing that, and then I look at my notepad of all the things I have listed of like extra tasks to do, and then I start doing that. Then I look at my task list of things that I like actually do in a day-to-day to get done before all my extra tasks. I'm like, oh wait, I haven't done this. And I have like 500 tabs open, and then I just become a shell of a human.

SPEAKER_05 52:22

What's funny is I couldn't tell you what I had for lunch like a few days ago. But when I was on spring break with my kids in Maui pool side with like a glass of rose, my former manager texted me, and I I still have a close relationship with her, and the person who was responsible for this project was out on patern or um parental leave, and she was like, I'm so sorry to bug you, but like, do you remember what was happening with this? Like, and this was like a year and a half ago. Wow, a little over a year ago at this point. And you remember one specific circumstance. Do you remember like the reasoning or the context behind it? We're trying to like troubleshoot it and she's out and I don't want to bug her and like whatever. And I was like, Oh yeah, X, Y, and Z, this person could help you. Like, and I was like, that shit comes to my brain in a situation I was burned out from, but like, don't ask me what I had for dinner yesterday. Like, couldn't tell you.

SPEAKER_02 53:17

No, I'll remember details about specific clients because it will burn a hole in my brain of like, but maybe is that you they're taking up too much space.

SPEAKER_05 53:28

Exactly. They're taking up too much space, and that you can't remember your real life because you're full, like all your focus is on your work life. And please don't get burned out and leave me. But um, we want to make sure you're well. But also, like maybe that's the thing, right? Like the brain fog affects different parts of your life, not necessarily your job.

SPEAKER_02 53:49

Yeah. Well, I will never leave, but I always feel like every single day I feel like a failure.

SPEAKER_05 53:57

So I was talking to Michelle the other day. It might have been like a week or two, two weeks ago. I don't know. And she was telling me, she's like, Ava's just worried you're gonna fire her like every day. And I'm like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 54:12

That's just a constant fear. It doesn't matter if I was working for the studios or somewhere else. I have always had that fear every single day in my life, and I think I attribute it to I grew up um where specifically in our family, there was a lot of ins and outs of different jobs, and so having that fear of what if I get let go tomorrow? What's gonna happen to me? I need to like overperform in order to continue, you know. Yeah, I'm working on it, you know. I'm trying to have more faith and trust in myself, but uh it's uh yeah, I feel so different, obviously being pregnant, but I almost feel like it's sucking the life out of me. Someone said it perfectly today.

SPEAKER_05 55:17

It looked quite literally, I mean, yeah, it is forgiving, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:21

Yeah. Someone told me today, um at the studio, she's like, when I was pregnant, I felt like I had a tick or a parasite living in me. And it was just like I was just the host for it, and it was just sucking the life out of me.

SPEAKER_05 55:35

That's quite literally what it is.

SPEAKER_02 55:36

I was like, thank you for your honesty because that is how I feel every single day. It's just like life being fully sucked out of me. Like today, I pretty much forgot I was pregnant teaching a defined class, and you need to stop. In the class, we did a weighted burpee. I went full force into this weighted burpee. The second I came up with the 15-pound weights in my hands, I immediately felt my stomach just like.

SPEAKER_05 56:06

Why are you doing 15-pound weights? I grab eights and tens every defined class. It doesn't matter what the class plan is. I you're crazy, girl.

SPEAKER_02 56:13

Yes, I am crazy. But I also want clients to know that they're capable of choosing something out of their comfort zone. That's you don't have to grab 15 pound weights to do that. I wish at the studios out here they had the 12 pounds because that would really help bridge the gap between the 10 and the 15. But um I know mentally wise, I know some of them watch the clients watch this.

SPEAKER_05 56:40

Hi, I do this as you don't have to watch her grab the 15-pound weights.

SPEAKER_02 56:45

But this is something I do strategically as a teacher in that class is I know whatever I grab, they're gonna grab one pound or the next set lower than me. So if I'm grabbing tens and 15s, they're gonna be grabbing eights and tens. If I'm grabbing eights and tens, I'm gonna see more five pounds out there and eight pounds.

SPEAKER_05 57:07

Or you can say, I'm literally carrying a parasite. Yeah, and I'm going to do this because it protects my yeah. It's what I can do today. That doesn't mean you need to grab something similar. You need to grab what works for you and your body, and I'm gonna grab what works for me and my body.

SPEAKER_02 57:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:27

You know, that's a great way to tell people and like be an actual coach, not be like do a psychological manipulation on that.

SPEAKER_05 57:36

Truly. Or just don't grab your weights till you're about like during warm-up because you don't need the weights during warm-up. And then go grab some. True. What am I supposed to grab? Do you guys have the equipment board?

SPEAKER_02 57:51

No.

SPEAKER_05 57:52

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 57:53

No.

SPEAKER_05 57:54

I was gonna say you could write on there like what you want them to start with.

SPEAKER_02 57:56

Yeah. No, we don't. They just go off of what the teacher has out.

SPEAKER_05 58:01

But can I add on something to what you said about your family though earlier? Yeah, add on. I don't wanna have this come across the wrong way, but say it. As a converse, I think that's why I am the way I am, is because my dad, he I mean, he grew up on a military base in 29 Palms, which is if you're not familiar with the desert in California, it's where people go to die. Yeah. And he, I mean, he put himself through college and he like really made something of himself. And I've I'll I'll always like super check. Shout out Chuck, super respect him for the hard work he did and like the life he gave us. But because of that, and he had worked so hard. I mean, my dad retired when he was in his 40s, and then decided after a few years he was bored and went back to work, and he's still working now, he's almost 70. And I think that that like, and he's you know, he he's uh essentially a mortgage broker for um commercial real estate, and it's been that mindset of like building your own safety net that you don't have to be worried about getting fired. And so, like, I've never been worried about getting fired because if it happens, it happens, and I know I'll figure it out because my dad always did, and not that my dad ever got fired, but like when he did leave his job or like switch companies or whatever, like he just figured out a way to make it work. And I think that I that's something that really resonated within me is like when something doesn't fit, or you're ready for a break, or you're ready for whatever, like my dad always just like figured out how to make it work. And I really am thankful that I had that example because now I'm just like, and I think that was that's what makes me kind of dangerous in the workplace, is that like I don't ever need the job. Like, yeah, I'm never gonna beg for it because I will figure something else out and I'm gonna make it happen, and I have stuff like banked to the side where like I can live off for a while or I can like make something work where I have my side businesses or whatever. Like that's awesome. I'm really proud of that, and I'm really thankful that my dad gave me that example of like building something so you never have to feel worried about getting fired.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:32

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:32

And even today, like I texted my friends um that I met at my last company. We have like a like a little group chat. We're not all there anymore, obviously. But I was like, oh, it's been one year and I didn't get, you know, officially one year today and I didn't get fired. And um, you know, it's just I didn't even really remember it was my one-year anniversary until I got like the e-card and my email this morning when I logged in from my coworkers, which was lovely, and they all had really nice messages. But I was like, oh, it's been a year, and I just have and that's such a privilege to feel that way, and I know that. Um, but that's really I would love to like encourage others, especially other women, is like try to figure out how to develop that like mindset or that safety net where you are going to be okay. Like you don't ever have to live in fear about your job. Like that should never be a thing. And that makes me so sad that people are and that they have to live like that. And I I a hundred percent know that that's a real thing, but I don't want that for people, and so like whatever that is, like let's chat, but let's find a way to like make your life not revolve around your job, but make your job work for you and like have that be like a fun extra. Like I was talking to Ava and Amy, Amy and Jamie be a voice note, obviously. Um, so not really talking to them, but um tonight about some struggles I was having at the studios, and I'm like, I'm so thankful, like I have my day job because that's in a lot of ways easier than my, you know, side stuff with Pierbar. And it I'm so glad I have that. And I I wit I really want that for others, where it's like you can have the best of both worlds. You can have a job that you're passionate about, you can have something on the side that gives you that buffer. And or you can continue, even if it's not like a side business where financially it gives you a buffer, it's let's be real, like paperwork is not really a huge buffer right now, even as the numbers. Um but don't do it. Don't do it. If you're thinking about it, don't do it. But even just like the networking or like building relationships where you know that if something does happen and you have to leave this the space that you're at, you can find something else. And so that's a lot of like what I really want to instill is like don't give a hundred percent of everything you have into the job you have because it could not be there forever. And like that's the reality of things. But like make sure that you're never afraid of what's happen, what's going to happen if you don't. So it's building the connections, building the network, having a side thing if that's like financially on the table for you, um, building a safety net financially within your savings account just to like, I mean, I think like most people say, like, have three months of your income saved up in case something happens. Like, whatever those numbers look like for you, try to get yourself there so that you're never like constantly worried about your job. Cause that's a terrible feeling. Like your job you spend more at than you're likely than you do with your actual family or your loved ones or whatever your situation is. And you never want to get to a point. I don't know if this is supposed to be talking about today, but like this is just again, my brain. Um, you never want to get to a point where you're constantly worried about your job to the effect it like impacts your actual life because your job shouldn't be your life.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:04

Yeah. Right? Yeah, no, it's true. And that's what causes like the absolute burnout. Like it makes everything feel so heavy around you, even if it's just like the smallest little task. Yeah. I f like what you said, working in the studios, it's very challenging right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:25

Uh it's a tough time for boutique fitness.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:28

Like it's a very tough time. Um hang in there, soldiers. We've got we've got this. We've got this. Stand strong. Stand strong. We've been standing strong for many years now. Um, but sometimes what if it's not burnout? Sometimes it's just exhaustion, it's just misalignment. Um, kind of of what you're saying is like making it your sole purpose and identity, and it no longer aligns with your values in a sense.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:06

So I feel like you might have something with that with um what we talked about the other day with one of our studios, of like you just feeling like, oh yeah, I've completely become detached. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:32

I stopped doing that because I would do all that and then get no results, or I would do all that and get shat on by members, or I would do X, Y, and Z and there'd be complaints. And I mentally, emotionally, I just said, fuck it. You know what? Yeah, like what's the point, you know? What's the point? But in my role and my position, no, I can't have that mentality. I can't do that. Um, and so for the last few months, I've just kind of been going and autopilot with that studio. And then you look at the numbers, it's like, oh fuck. Whoops. And I try not to say it's like it's all my fault. It I I will take ownership and responsibility of not taking initiative in those aspects where growth could be done, but I can't let it all weigh heavy on me like it has been the last week of just feeling failure, disappointed, and um yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:37

But I think that was a good growth moment for you. Like I feel like for sure. Thanks I didn't think of the like it wasn't a conscious thing where I was thinking of like she's not doing all she can here because oh, because I that's why I was thinking that you were thinking. No, I never consciously thought that, but I really appreciated the fact that you un you know prompted came to me and was like, I just want to apologize because I feel like I've really dropped the ball in this area, and like yeah, you know, and I get it, it's hard when you try and try and try and and stuff just isn't working. And I think in that moment I told you like we just gotta throw whatever shit we can at the wall and see what sticks, you know, like throwing it. We're throwing it, we're seeing what sticks, maybe this will stick, maybe this won't stick, it will work, it won't work. Like we just gotta keep trying, you know? And I think that that was you were definitely burned out by that situation, and yeah, you kind of came out of it and you didn't quit. So thank you. And no.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:48

And two, I think I just needed, which is hard because it's a living. I think of the studios as like a living thing that needs to be nurtured and taken care of every single day.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:02

I don't know if it's any small business.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:04

It's a child, it's a baby, it's like having an infant.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:07

It's a baby.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:08

I took a break from this infant. I didn't want to step away. There were moments where I did. I thought about things, but I just needed to break from putting all my energy into that and just getting shat. Yeah, we're back, baby. We're back. Don't you dare come at me anyway. Don't you dare. Um but let's talk about the fear of starting over. Um and like identity tied to career. I fall into this character just because I feel I've spoken about it before with my dance life that I had. Um, I like to say I lived a whole nother life, and then that was dancer Ava. That became my identity from age three all the way up until 20. That's how I identified myself. That's where I put all my eggs into one basket. I said, school is always gonna be there. I have a talent, I'm a dancer. Dancer. I'm a dancer. Let's see where it goes. Threw everything that I have into that little thing that turned into a big thing, but then it was quickly taken away. My feet were cut off of my body. I chopped my leg off.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:39

Basically.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:40

Basically, my foot just stopped working, and that's something that you need in order to do that job. Um, and so that was a come to Jesus moment of what am I gonna do with my life? I've spent all my time and energy in this one thing. How can I make this one thing tie into a future career? We kind of found it.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:04

You did. I think I have like a similar experience of I was at my last company for 13 years. I started there out of college. I had built such a network of like trust and goodwill. And I I I knew people up to the very top person of our company. Like I I have not at my current company met the top person at my company, and it's a much smaller company. And so I it but I knew that going in, like, it's hard to expect having 13 years of experience and expecting to have the same experience brand new in the door at another company. And so I think if you're like coming from a corporate world, it's hard, right? Like I knew what I yeah, I absolutely am starting over. Like, yes, they have my resume on paper, they know what I've done or I've done, but they from a relationship standpoint and like a goodwill standpoint, like I'm coming in ground zero, like with nothing, you know? And so that I think was the biggest like pause for me is like I know my reputation at this company, I know the respect I have, the relationships I built. And if I leave, I'm walking away from all of that. I'm starting from scratch at this new company. Like they know me on paper, they don't know me as a person, they don't know my tenure, my history, like the actuals of what I've done, just like what, you know, where I went to school, how long I worked at this company, like whatever. And that was, I think, the scariest part of leaving was like not knowing if I was gonna be seen the same way, if I was gonna have the same impact, if people were going to value me the same way I was valued, because I don't doubt that I was valued at the company I was at. Like I know I was. Was I where I wanted to be? No. And like that's ultimately why I left. I it it's it's definitely scary of like walking away from something comfortable. And there was a comfort there, but there was, I think when you get comfortable in a job, you're more likely to be whether it's forced upon you or it's self-induced, you're likely to be overworked in that job and and get to a place of burnout, which is exactly where I was. Yeah.

unknown 1:12:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:36

Probably where you're at a lot of the time. Yeah. I mean, I'm going on year 11 in the company. Um, I mean, I've had different roles, I've had had different responsibilities, but to be doing the same thing for 11 years now, saying the same stuff, talk, hold, squeeze, pulse. Talk, hold, squeeze, pulse. You know, on a daily basis. But yeah, no, I'm I'm burnt out, so I'm excited for maternity leave and have like a little break to be able to just kind of step away.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:18

Please do because you will respond on you'll be pushing your child out, and you'll be like, let me just respond to the Slack message.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:27

Someone will be sending a message somewhere as I'm delivering. And yeah, you'll get a like. You'll get a reaction that I have seen it.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:41

You'll be forced out.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:42

I'll send you a selfie.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:45

Here I am in the hospital room. I better be getting selfies. Like, not as your button.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:53

No. Yeah. But yeah, I've been doing this for 11 years, so I am comfortable in I guess in the job, but there's always new challenges. Just with the state of the world and like you said, boutique fitness right now, too. It's a very challenging season. And we've seen this before. It's gonna come back up. It is, knock on wood. It's coming back up. It always does. Yeah. Because we've seen it and it's ever evolving. It's been around for 25 years for a reason. So as long as we keep moving and grooving with the times, keep doing what we're doing, keep adding new flair, people are gonna stay. They're gonna stick because there's a good formula in place. And I feel like that has been set at the studios, and members can feel that. People can feel that when they come into um a company is the foundation is solid, formulas are in place, there's um strategy to everything that we do. There's strategy to scheduling, there's strategy to memberships, there's a strategy of how everything is played out, every little detail from the second the teachers put on that microphone and say the first words. There's strategic reasons to how they start class, there's strategic reasons as to why we have late cancel no-show policies. There's reasons why we have um agreements, there's reasons why we it's a business. So yeah. I don't know where I was going with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:51

I love it. I love all of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:53

I don't know where you're going, but I don't know where I was going.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:55

It was relevant. Um, I think I was talking about how I've we've been doing this for a while. It's been around for a while. Oh, this is why people keep coming back to these long-term businesses, specifically um small boutique fitness.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:13

There's or how you survive the burnout if you're in it, right? Like you know that it's temporary and it's going to come back around.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:21

Oh, absolutely. It's temporary. Something outside of your work to spark a passion, to spark an interest, or find something in your work to do something new, do something creative. Something we've been doing, I mean, it's a lot of work, is last year we had a holiday market. That was something new, that was something exciting. So I look forward to not, I don't know where I'll be at my maternity leave. I need to figure that out, but having a holiday market, uh just bringing small business outside vendors into the studio and having a day reflected on supporting small businesses, um, celebrating anniversaries at the studio, doing something different, trying out things, like you said, just throwing things at the wall, seeing what sticks, seeing what works. Um, yeah, make it fun, make it new, make it exciting, give yourself a challenge. And I think that's the beauty too, is even though I'm burnt out, it gives me a challenge every single day rather than just like flying dormant.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:25

Well, I think that that's when you know, right? When it's time to leave versus when you're just burned out is like when you are flying dormant, or when you are no longer motivated by the outcome, or when like you're just not mentally present. So there's a difference between needing a break and just like full on being totally disconnected from what's going on, that you're just like thinking about something else, doing something else, like in a whole nother world. And I think that's when I knew I needed to leave, is like I just I stopped caring. It's just like I was just like, I just whatever I'm done, like yeah, sure, do this, do this. Like, I'm just I stopped being invested in like what the actual outcome went to be, which at the end of the day isn't good for the company I was at. Like it's not good for the business, and it's not good for me personally. So, like mutually, it just wasn't a good situation. Right. Um, I think if you truly care about like the end goal and the passion, but like you just need a nap, like that, that's something that's fixable, and that's something that like the business wants you there at the end of the day. You want to be there at the end of the day, like let's discuss how to take a break or like how to cut back on some workload or some responsibilities. Like workload versus like not caring are two different things. And that's when that conversation needs to happen between you and your manager of like, let's figure out how to make this work. Right. Because I want to be here, but like I'm also not mentally capable of being here in the same capacity I'm being here today because I am burned out, because I need a break, because whatever X, Y, and Z the situation is, versus like, I'm just totally checked out. And that's when I think when you know that it's time for you to make a change.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:23

Absolutely. I fully agree. I made a change and I stopped teaching dance, and that was ultimately good because I just put all my identity into dance and was like, okay, I still need to have some sort of connection to that.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:44

And then I got suckered in even more to the dance world. And it was like early 2020, and I wasn't doing it for me anymore. I was doing it for other people because I was obviously requested. Obviously. My presence was requested, my expertise was requested. It's like, how can I say no?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:08

Did your dog just groan at you?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:11

Yes, which is so funny because I don't think they're in here. No, the doors closed and they're outside the door. Well, but um COVID happened, and then that just completely wiped out the option, and I yeah, I didn't go back afterwards.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:33

Are you happier for it?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:34

Yeah. I mean, at some point in my life, I think I'll feel comfortable going to see a ballet, going to something dance-related. I've kind of completely cut that identity out of my life and out of my body because I think I'm just trying to discover who I am outside of that and not be always attached to it.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:56

Um, I remember when I wanted to take you to see the Netcracker at Seagerstrom. No. And you like you were very kindly and respectfully like, no, I can't go see that. And I didn't understand like the full impact of that because I don't come from like no an intense dance background, or actually any dance background, um, besides at the club. But um that's the only time you'll see my dance skills, my very amateur dance skills. Amateur, you whip out a whole single lady's choreo moment and do the whole dance for clears. You're just not you can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you can't compete. But um, no, my classical training. Classical. That's what I'm talking about. My very classical training. Um, no, I will not be singing the nutcracker. Don't ask me. I will not go. I can I can sing that whole ballet beginning to end. I can play all roles. I could probably still do majority of the dances. Every now and then I'll go into a down or down a spiral. Downwards. Downwards spiral or a black hole and just watch dance videos and reminisce. And I'll put on classical music for my dogs before we leave because they're cultured beings. Obviously. Obviously. And anytime I come home, there's a piece from a ballet playing, and it all comes back to me. Like my body reacts, and I'm like, oh, and I like remember every single step.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:33

I yeah, I take you know what those remarks back to how black swan who yes, but um are you a fan of the Marvel movies?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:45

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:46

Oh sorry, okay. So there's what this one character, Black Widow, who's like a Russian converted agent. And she now works for The Avengers, but as part of her training in Russia, they were trained in like ballet and her like trigger to like get her to like switch. I'm not good in spy terminology, but like switch back to like being an agent for Russia was like ballet music or like classical music. Yeah, so I feel like you'd really relate to that. Possibly. Scarlett Johansson's the uh actress, and she's cutie.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:28

Yeah. Well, badass. It will come back to me. Like the other day on Instagram, just like pieces of music came up on the screen, and it had like A, B, C, D options and classical music playing, and you had to choose the um musical node or section that matched what was playing. And I got 100% every single time. And I was like, whoa, I can still read music. I can still that's so cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:56

That's really cool. I couldn't tell you anything. However, if um, there's this one account I follow and she plays like the first couple of seconds of a Taylor Swift song on piano and just like the chords. Yes. I get most of those right.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:09

I'm gonna have to play a game with Hugh and Kelsey the next time we're all in town together, um, where I'll play Taylor Swift songs. One song is gonna be um, what was it called when she redid her music?

SPEAKER_05 1:24:26

Taylor's version.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:26

Yeah, one is gonna be Taylor's version and one's not gonna be Taylor's version. I'm just gonna play the first few seconds of the song, and you both have to guess if it's Taylor's version or the original version.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:41

Yeah. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:42

And then if you get it wrong, you have to drink.

unknown 1:24:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:46

Well, we're prone to doing that, so that's that works.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:49

Yeah. Anywho, fun game to play.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:52

Fun game.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:53

Any other thoughts? Any uh wisdom to put the cherry on top of this?

SPEAKER_05 1:25:00

I don't think so. I think it's like really finding that clarity of like um do I need a nap? Or am I totally detached or it's time for me to like take a break? And I think those are like two very clear distinctions of burnout that I think are important to identify. And back to my earlier point, I really feel like if your burnout is related to stress about losing your job, let's figure out a way to like not have that be the stressor in your life. Yeah, I know that's easier said than done, and I'm not trying to oversimplify it, but what can we do from maybe it's not a monetary perspective of having like a side thing? It's networking, it's building relationships, it's like feeling comfortable in like what you've built from a relationship standpoint that like if something were to happen with your job, you could pivot. And so, you know, I feel like I could pivot.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:07

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:09

I'm not gonna think I'm not gonna pivot, but I think I I feel like we could lean into your sourdough business.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:16

Oh, I haven't touched her in a while. Poor Stella. Yeah, she's just got a lot of hooch. She's a little hoochy mama in there. Oh my god, that reminds me.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:26

So my child has Everett has a beta fish tank.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:31

Oh.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:31

And we have some snails in there to take care of the algae and stuff. Is there a fish in there? There's a beta fish. Okay, it's still alive? Barely. Okay. Um I noticed yesterday when I was going to feed the fish that there are these in two different areas of the tank above the waterline, pods of pink eggs. And they're big. And I'm pretty sure the snails have mated because he has two snails. Yeah. And they're snail eggs. Are snail eggs pink? I don't know, but they're pink. I don't know what else would lay eggs above the water line. It's definitely not the fish that lives alone because he has no mates. It's gotta be the snails. Maybe a snail and a fish. Maybe. Anyways, it's a very interesting scenario we have. I think we're starting a snail farm. And keep us updated. My end goal is to get rid of the fish tanks altogether. So yeah, they're kind of like gross. Disgusting. Yeah. Disgusting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:36

Hmm. Well, keep us updated on the fertility and what they've become to be.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:42

You know, you just let it happen. A whole different situation.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:46

Yeah, I just I don't want to think about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:48

Have you had caviar? Yeah. You did the bumps at the wedding, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:51

I did the bumps. We had some at your birthday weekend. We were doing bumps. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:00

I need a piece so bad. Well I'm gonna just jiggle for a second.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:06

Jiggle. Wiggle wiggle.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:08

What you're gonna do? You wiggle jiggle note because the the baby sits on your bladder.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:12

I'm doing my kegels and it I I that's what I do too. I came across an Instagram page where she'll just come on and just go and squeeze all the way up and hold two, three, and release.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:30

And hold halfway and squeeze all the way and hold for three. This is one release.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:40

Yeah, and I'll do it. She just randomly pops up on my when I'm scrolling through the reels. She just randomly pops up and I'm like, oh, time for my keels.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:48

So I this is why I love Pierbar because I have to have with or without children the ultimate bladder strength because I don't like public restrooms. I have a full fear. I only want to go in my bathroom, in my house. Yikes.

unknown 1:29:04

Alone.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:04

So hurt. Well, eventually, like you just you have to go. But I will hold it. I'll be sitting at my desk at work, like jiggling my legs as long as I can until it just can't be held. So I imagine I'm gonna do it right now because I really have to pee. We're just gonna close our eyes for everyone. We're gonna manifest a dry desert. Just think of a desert with the land cracking. I already see water. So you see water?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:34

Because I know where you're going with this. I'm seeing the dry land and now I'm seeing water just like creep up out of the uh there's not a lot of point at this. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:43

Have you seen a dry desert? I it already shrunk back up into my life.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:47

I have a colorful imagination. Okay, let's start again. No, we're a dry desert.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:52

Remember Pirates of the Caribbean when Johnny Duff is basically hell. Yeah. Or purgatory or something. So we're in a dry desert. The land is crackling. You can't, there's there's no water in sight. The pea has left your belt, your body. That works for me every time. It literally does work for me. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:11

It's relaxing. Manifesting. Manifesting at its finest.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:16

I'm not kidding. And literally, I was like shaking my legs before I'm like, look at that, my friends. Dry desert, broken ground, because there's literally no water. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:26

We're just doing the most of here. One second we're kegling, the next second we're manifesting.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:32

This conversation might be why I eventually get fired. But you know, we're not worried about it because we just talked about it. No. I don't need to be fired. I do love my job, but we will be fine and we will pivot and we're going from there. It's only up. All the way up. Just like my bladder.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:49

So just like my just like my kegels. All the way up. Like sucked in. Um, anything else to add?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:00

Yeah, quite quite literally.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:02

Quite literally nothing. We're still watching. Oh, what?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:06

Was she sedated? No. But they did call me. Um, so if you don't know, Pepper, my sweet soul right here. If you're not watching, watch her. She's the most majestic thing. Majestic, but she's terrified of water. And so she gets. This is gonna sound gross, but she runs through rosemary every single day. So she smells like a peach blossom slash a rosemary plant. It's not weird. It's beautiful. Um she self-bathe in the nature. She gets like one bath a year because we have to take her to the bed to do it because they have to like strap her down certain way. It's like tragic, but like she can't go to a normal groomer. She's just she's just so special. She is special. But they called me today. They texted me at like 11 and said that she'd be ready for pickup at 11:30 and then like 11.25. And I told Garrett and he was gonna go grab her. Um they called me at 1125 and we're like, hey, so we've tried trimming her nails a few times and we just cannot get her. She's just like body thrashing, she's like not um, like they couldn't do it. And of course, you want to be like sensitive if they cut it because it's deep. There's like nerves and stuff. So scary. Um they're like, we want to give her a light sedative, and you can pick her up later today. And I was like, she's fine. Yeah, she's fine. I know. So they said they would send us home with a sedative and we could give it to her. She has an annual in July. Okay, it's coming up. We can give it to her before we bring her in, but then Gary forgot to grab it, so there's that. Um but she's fine, she walks every day, and so I feel like naturally her nails are kind of ground down. Yeah, they get filed.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:55

She just is living her best life. Look at her. Sweet. I know all you're doing. Precious girl. Hi, my baby. They miss you. We'll see you soon.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:08

She's a sweetest little sweet girl.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:12

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:12

Um anything reality TV, nothing to note.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:16

Everyone, nothing to note. Let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:19

I mean, there's everything to note. Real house noise, yeah. Of Rhode Island, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. They just keep delivering.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:27

I said it in my postbox announcements yesterday evening. T-too. Yeah. So it's like, go home. Go home. I watch, I watch on Peacock, so I watch the day after it airs. Yeah. So it airs normally on Sundays, so I see it on Mondays. And so it's Monday night. And I was like, go home, open a beverage of your choice. Doesn't have to be alcohol, whatever suits your fancy, and put on, excuse me, bitch, we're almost done. Put on Rail Housewives of Rhode Island. It's the best program on television right now. These they've already been renewed for season two. It's not even like halfway through the season. It's incredible.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:07

It's incredible. Even Ashley Ikenetti, Iconetta, who has nothing to really give. No. Is giving. She's giving and not giving. Dying at the masquerade dinner, and she's crying over the fact that she has nothing to cry about. I'm like, wow. What a dream.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:28

What a dream.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:29

What a dream. What a life to live. She's like crying at the fact that one day someone is going to do it. Some life.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:36

One day something will happen, and then I'll have something to cry about. So I'm crying about the fact it has happened. Bitch, you know how to open the door. You know how to open the door.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:45

And then she was crying this time around when Rosie and Kelsey were going at it at the at breakfast. It was great. It was beautiful. It was all wonderful. Rulala is a liar.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:02

I know I'm no longer convinced she's delusional. I think she's intentionally has, I think she knows and she's just like, this is my life. And we're gonna like.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:10

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, there's something legally happening happening on the family front where they have a deal negotiation. Specifically at the Derby, the mistress was acting up, so they had to quickly leave, handle the mistress. Yeah. So wild, wild, wild. Love it, love it.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:32

Can we talk about the fact that I can imagine a scenario? And so this is where like the people coming at me for shitting on my husband, which is not shitting, it's liter as again reporting.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:46

We're reporting facts, we're venting, we're just lives.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:51

We're reporting realities of what's happening. Yeah. But like I can't think of a scenario where I would have the time or energy to facilitate another relationship beyond the one I'm in. No. I barely have time to facilitate the one I'm in. Like, I swear to God, dog. I I don't have time for this dog. No, let alone a boyfriend. And if it's not gonna be a boyfriend, it's probably gonna be a girl because at this point, I I don't need more male energy in my life. I need peace and calm. And that's not coming from another boyfriend. Okay?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:27

No, it is not. Um, yeah, I too do not have the famous.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:31

Not even female energy because this bitch won't leave me alone. Like, look at this girl. She's just scratching on the door to get out. Hold please. I she's literally losing her weight. Wow. Pepperoonie. Guarantee you on 30 seconds she's gonna be calling out the door to come out.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:45

Oh, for sure. But yes, I too do not have the energy. I would have the time because I'm alone. I don't but majority of the time, but I don't have the energy, nor do I want to. Like, no. It's too much work. It's too much work. And I just love my husband too much. I love that man. He's not even in front of me. Okay. He does annoy me.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:08

No, I do love my husband. He annoys the shit out of me. I love him. I don't want two of him. And that's what I'm saying. And he probably he I know. I know he doesn't want two of me.

unknown 1:37:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:21

So I know what I am to his friends. Or the men of the internet. I know what I am. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:30

No. No. If he does, good luck. My husband could not handle two of me. He's already put into not plan or anything, but if anything were to happen to me, God forbid, um, you would never see that man again. He would go into the wilderness and become one with nature and lose contact with the entire world.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:51

Feel like that track.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:52

Yes, and that means so much to me that he would just become like, I don't know. A hermit. A hermit.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:02

With you.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:03

Yeah. He would just become a hermit because I was no longer there. He would just give up his entire life to not exist.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:13

You have a baby though.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:16

So we have to like see what how that transitions. Not that he would find someone new, but like hopefully he doesn't like fully go off grid with the baby.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:26

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:26

We need child care or like doctor care at some point.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:30

Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:32

What else is on reality TV? Love Island is starting up soon. Cannot wait. We're gonna have our Love Island nights. It's gonna be stunning. It's gonna be beautiful. It's gonna be so much to talk about. I have so much going on in June. I'm moving. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:53

Oh, come and then make your husband pack.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:56

There you go. Perfect. You know, fun fact, I've never been to Europe.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:02

My husband had never been to Europe till he met me either. So it's uh there you go.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:07

It'll be everyone my first.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:09

You'll pop everyone's Europe cherry. I'm gonna pop everyone's cherry. Jason, I don't think's ever been to Europe. I'll attribute that to Kelsey Cumming, but um you're coming to Europe with me once. Perfect. Twice, three times, all the times. Ayo. Um, Summer House. Wow. Okay. A moment for my boys lie camo shirt. Yes. I love this shirt. I love the brand. I feel like Amanda, I can't fully fault her because I feel like when you're in a marriage, like you're in, you're not seen straight. And I think that's what most of the cast has like come out and said, we'll see how their reunion goes, but like they're willing to fix things with Amanda, but they're not willing to fix things with West because I feel like West was clear headed in the situation of like he was looking for sure this toxic marriage.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:08

So I'm wearing my shirt because I love the brand, and I'm not fully giving up on Amanda. I do feel passing. Yeah, yeah, before the scandal broke, and so I bought it. Because I was like, oh, that's so cute. But obviously all the Summer House fans are gonna notice. It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:29

Um it's like when um what's that one guy? If the glove don't fit, might as well quit when he's driving the Bronco.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:39

OJ Simpson.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:40

Yeah, OJ Simpson when he was in the getaway car in the Bronco.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:48

I mean, that did it for Broncos for a while, but they had their resurgence. Yeah, I came back. So don't you worry.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:57

Don't come back. No, I uh I don't I don't appreciate that Amanda doubled down on this alleged relationship. Yeah. Especially when it's come out he's been like dating other people. Like if you're gonna do this in your friend group, you you both gotta be all in. Like this has to be it, right? Like, yeah. You gotta get rid of it. So the whole thing feels a little off. I'm just chalking it up to her being like in a toxic relationship that like Kyle's not perfect by any means. Like I don't want us to like glorify Kyle. Like if you watch the most recent episode, not the one that's on this week because I it hasn't haired yet. But the one from last week, like him saying I to her. Yeah, it's like for no reason, whatever your issues were, the way he treated her was not okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:48

No, terrible.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:49

So let's not glorify him, which I feel like is happening. He's fine. Like they were clearly not. They're not really meant to be together for a while. Like they they were staying together. Yeah. Not that that makes us any of this okay, but like it's more on like West, who was coming from the outside of the relationship, who was like more clear-minded that I feel like that's where the blame more should lie, and I feel like that's where the cast is saying too. So it's like they're willing to like cure Amanda out or like have like hear her side or forgive her, like whatever. But like West, it's like absolutely not because you went into this without any of this like toxic behavior past in your marriage because he wasn't married and just came in as like a single guy, like you know, so the whole thing is I mean, it makes for great television. It's sad for the people involved and sad for the people involved. I'm just praying for the dogs, praying for the dogs.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:54

Thanks for the entertainment. Um can't wait for uh Lindsay Hepbert and Sierra to like Yes, the reunion. Holy can't wait for the timelines to be cleared up, all the things.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:06

I saw a clip right before we filmed um from Best of Bravo from tonight's episode, which I have not watched. Oh, them hugging.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:14

Yeah, it's a little that's a little weird.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:17

So they're all saying that it all started in February of this year. Of course, this most recent season that's airing was filmed last summer, so like July, August. And it's they were for sure, like for sure. I would think there was at least something emotional there.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:35

But I think it was more someone's wife or a husband like that. Could you imagine if I wrapped my arms around Garrett's neck like that?

SPEAKER_05 1:43:44

Like he's not used to the sensations, so he would probably not but no, like I mean, and just think of Garrett's friends getting mad at me for reporting his behavior on the podcast. Things could be never one never hugged them like that, clearly. Oh no, no, no, no, no, so I barely give side hugs at this point, so yeah, that's just also on my own.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:12

I mean, I'm a hugger, but I'm not going in. Have you ever hugged Gary? I think I have done like a side hug. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:20

Like, hey, I've maybe given a side hug.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:23

He's not a hugger either. He's not a hugger, so he too will give like a very gentle side hug. Yeah, we're not huggers over here. No.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:34

Yeah. Is he moving?

SPEAKER_02 1:44:36

He is. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:40

That'd be a good idea.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:41

Well, watch Rhode Island. It's the best Rhode Island television. Um you're here if you want to talk about your exit strategy, your feelings. Nothing. You have an email you want us to read?

SPEAKER_02 1:44:55

Yeah, send us your email submissions. We're here for you.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:58

Please do. Please do. Continue to send the cyber trucks. We appreciate those. But also send your emails and we will be happy to read them. Someday I'll see a cyber truck out here and I will get a photo. Or you move back. It's one of the two. But that's our episode. Um next week we're going to be talking about friendship breakups that hit harder than work breakups. We wouldn't have experience in that, would we? Friend breakups? No, because you're not leaving me ever.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:26

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:27

Obviously not. But we're gonna talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:29

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:31

You're never leaving me.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:32

No, obviously not.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:33

There we go.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:35

There we go. Well, that's our program. That's our program. Catch us. Like, comment, subscribe. We appreciate you guys for being here. Love you. Happy anniversary to my friends Vanessa and Rocky. Shout out. And Jamie did go to the No Doubt concert, so there's that. There we go. Toodles.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:53

Too loo. Bye guys next week. Bye.