Military Wellness Collective
Military Wellness Collective is made up of four friends — two retired Marines (Joshua and Brian) turned church planters and their wives (Brittany and Kelli)— who have lived life both in uniform and on the home front. Together, we share real stories, hard-earned wisdom, and practical, biblical encouragement to help military members, and their families thrive in every season. Whether you’re navigating deployments, adjusting to life in a new town, or simply seeking hope in the middle of your military journey, our mission is to equip you with truth from God’s Word and tools for a healthy, resilient life.
Military Wellness Collective
EP 53: What Do I Do When... Practical Takeaways from Joshua's IED Attack, from the Homefront; Part 2
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A war story doesn’t end when the deployment ends, and sometimes the hardest part is realizing you’re still learning what really happened. We sit down with Joshua Brown and Brittany Brown to tell the IED story from the side that often stays quiet: the spouse at home, pregnant, holding a toddler, trying to decode a confusing satellite phone call while the official details lag behind. Even 20 years later, Brittany is still hearing pieces for the first time, and that honesty opens up a bigger conversation about trauma, memory, and what military families actually carry.
We talk about the reality of deployment communication and notification, especially in the early 2000s before today’s systems were common. Brittany shares how “no news is good news” becomes a survival rule in base housing, what it’s like to keep serving other spouses while fearing for your own home, and why community support matters when your body is stuck in fight-or-flight. Joshua adds the longer arc: how that moment reshaped his patience in everyday life, even something as simple as a traffic jam, because you never know what’s happening up ahead.
From there we zoom out to military wellness and resilience. We wrestle with the idea that you don’t rise to the occasion in crisis, you default to your training and your habits, whether that means faith practices, friendships, counseling, or isolation. We also name the ongoing risks beyond combat, including training accidents, addiction, and suicide, and why that should move us toward stronger support systems, not more fear.
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Welcome And Prior Story Recap
SPEAKER_02Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of the Military Wellness Collective. My name's Brian O'Day, Veteran Marine, pastor outside of Marine Corps base Camp Lejeune. I'm joined today by Joshua Brown and Brittany Brown.
SPEAKER_00Hey, hi.
SPEAKER_02My good friends, Joshua Pastors and a Veteran Marine. Also outside of Camp Lejeune, about 35 minutes away from where we are. And last episode, we we really got to hear the story of just a pivotal event in Joshua's life, one of many, as he alluded to and talked about last time. And he was talking about the time that he got hit by an ID. So if you missed that episode, I encourage you to go back and listen to that one and just hear what that's like. I pray that God use that experience and you listening to that experience to just process things in your own life and in your own military service. So thank you, Joshua, for sharing that with us. And it was just interesting as we were listening to that. Brittany, you didn't say much at all on the last episode. However, you were experiencing all that very differently. And even some of your memories and thoughts about it. So what was the experience like listening to that? You know, as we published this last week, but for you that was five minutes ago.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Listening to Joshua tell the story. What was my experience? It's so interesting to me that all these years later, there are still parts of the story that I hear for the first time, you know.
SPEAKER_0220 years later.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, just like I'm thankful for Joshua being open and honest and vulnerable, willing to share. It's just, it's really interesting just to hear it. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02And we're talking to the wives like before husbands come home from deployment. And one thing I talk about is like, hey, you may have in your mind that you're gonna sit down and there's gonna be one conversation. Tell me everything that happens. And what you're saying is we are 20 years later, y'all have a great marriage, great relationship. Y'all talk about all sorts of things.
SPEAKER_00Everything.
SPEAKER_02But you know, today you heard some details about Joshua's life that were a little different than than you remember or you hadn't heard before.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it just it's fascinating. I just even stories like he was talking about before, I think you all hit play. He alluded to it in like the the Humvee on Fire. I was like, what are you talking about?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we'll have to hear that story sometime. But I don't know if I want to the uh yeah, the fire mission in the underwear story, that kind of yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean, I've heard stories of them drawing sniper fire and him being the rabbit and like going through Fallujah, close quarter combat, like different things. But it's interesting to me that there's still so many stories that so many stories, yeah. You know, that as life happens and that he's more free to tell.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, and part of that I think is our own processing of I don't know if I'm ready to tell this story yet, or just you know, there's other stuff happening in life, and so some of it's just logistical and nature nature, just whatever.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Also, we trust God's sovereignty
Hearing The Parts You Missed
SPEAKER_02that stories come up as they need to come up.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02So as you listen to that, was there are there things in the story that you're like, man, I heard this from other people about that story that Joshua didn't include.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Yeah, for sure. I Sergeant Rock, who he mentioned, at that time when we were praying for his salvation, like he was a really great guy from LA. Back then, you know, you could have a lot more tats than you can now going in the Marine Corps. And just I remember Sergeant Rock retelling the story of his perspective of it and like the fear that he had. Like we knew them very well. His wife had a little toddler, like we did a lot of life with them. We lived in the same base housing, and so just hearing him retell that story. Yeah, if if you know Joshua, he's he's super jovial, he's very humble. Sometimes he just I don't know. Yeah. I appreciate I appreciate that about my husband, but yeah, there are definitely aspects to that that I was like, whoa. I mean, he has a NAM, a Navy accommodation medal for uh his service during that mission that he didn't mention because he actually led an attack. I don't, I don't know. And like he said, a lot of it's fuzzy to him, obviously. We understand why. I received pictures of the vehicle. It made it sound like it was just like it rocked it. It was undrivable, it was unrecognizable. I don't really know how any of them survived the impact of that. Josh later remembered it was probably a year after he was home, and we had had our second daughter, we were getting ready to go on recruiting duty, and he was remembering like I remember seeing the flash, which is interesting to hear him tell the story, like how he recognized what it was. And as he was like thinking back, and maybe more memory was coming back at it, you know, you had a major head injury. I just remember him telling me, like, I don't remember seeing the flash, I remember seeing it there and just thinking, like, Lord take me, because he knew he was the only one in the Humvee that knew who he was, and he had been witnessing to these guys through the deployment and stuff. So wow and I remember being angry when he said that.
SPEAKER_02Lord take me. Well, knowing he's the only saved one.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And we're like just perspective. I'm like four weeks from having our second daughter, and we have a one-year-old at home. And I just that is his mentality though.
SPEAKER_02Like, Lord, if it's gonna be anybody, there's an eternal perspective even in that moment.
SPEAKER_00Which the Lord used that attack even in Sergeant Rock's life. Like they when they saw the vehicle and he got out of it, and like I don't know, he just became more soft to the gospel. I don't know what happened. He got out of the Marine Corps. We had lots of conversations. Him and his wife came to church with us for a while after that when they returned home from that deployment.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So that's good. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So bring me back to the home front. So I'm assuming leading up to this day, there's very minimal contacts.
SPEAKER_00Yes. I don't remember.
SPEAKER_02He described a week of patrol.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02Where he's running across the desert of Iraq.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, I think we did an episode a while ago, like, no news is good news, and that's what we just taught ourselves to see. Yeah, I mean, we lived in base housing, and like Joshua said, at that point there were a lot of deaths happening, and so it wasn't uncommon for us to see the car pull into the neighborhood to see Keiko officers get out and you're like holding your breath. But then you also know if it's not your husband, it's a neighbor's husband, you know. So I mean, that was very real. I don't up to that point, I think we were probably let's see, we were a few months into the deployment, like you said, because when he came home, Elissa was almost six months old. So we were a little bit into the deployment, and I believe that deployment was about nine months. So it might have been a little longer.
SPEAKER_02So, okay, so you're living in base housing, you have a toddler and you're pregnant. And during that deployment, you have your second child.
SPEAKER_03Yes. Right.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_02Okay. And so but before your second child's born is when you get this news. So how do you get the news? What's what's going on as you get the news?
SPEAKER_00That's funny you ask. So Joshua did call me. Later, we found out I I believe it was the doctor that was supposed to give the phone call. At that point, back in the day, we didn't have froze or family readiness officers. Wives volunteered. So I was the key volunteer coordinator for
The Home Front Gets The Call
SPEAKER_00the unit. And so I knew.
SPEAKER_02So you were a wife that was kind of an extension of the command to speak to the other wives and those types of things.
SPEAKER_00I did all the flower arrangement ordering for spouses who had lost their husbands. Also setting up meals for injured husbands. Like, so I knew the chain of command, like how things were passed and notified. At that point, Colonel Gentry wasn't hadn't called me yet. And so yes, Joshua did call me from a satellite phone. It's funny that he can't remember what he said because I remember so clearly. It was time change in Southern California, well, in the country. And we lived in Southern California. And so back then we didn't have smartphones. So I forgot to set my clock. And so we ended up at church an hour early. Well, some of our best friends at the time, the Kirkseys, lived right around the corner from the church, and I called Melissa and she's like, just come over, we'll have coffee while the girls play. Because they had a one-year-old too. And it was God's grace. I was at their house. Her husband had only been home a little bit, and he was a bronze star recipient. So he had been in an accident. So I was with them when I got the phone call that morning. And Joshua just he was like, Hey, babe. And he sounded so like excited. I don't know, excitable, happy, but he's just like that. Yeah. And he's like, You're gonna hear something funny. And I was like, What? What? And then at that point I realized like something's not right. Like, but it was also fast. And he said, You're gonna hear I got blown up. And he just like laughed hysterically. And I was like, Did you? And then he was like, Ah, click. I was like, what is that?
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's the end of the phone call with and on these iridium phones back then. There's a five second delay. So what you just described is like the most awkward phone call you've ever had. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And I was like, okay. And so Melissa's looking at me, you know, because they know at that time everybody we called our cell phones our husbands, like oh, you know, like you were living, you kept that thing with you because you never knew when they were gonna call, if they were gonna call. So she was like, was that Joshua? So I told her, and Shane came out of the bath or out of their bedroom, and I was like, This is a weird phone call. And Shane was like, Something's not right. Like, and then like it was probably an hour and a half went by because when he called me back and I spoke with the doctor, we were already at church, like, and he talked our pastor talked to him and prayed with him on the phone. And then I talked to the doctor and he explained, like, your husband's been in an IED or it was attack. I don't remember how he said it. I just remember him breaking it down like he's heavily medicated, he's stable, you're don't expect word. That's kind of what I was left with. Like, okay, are you transporting him? What's happening? But yeah.
SPEAKER_02So you get a call an hour before church that your husband just got blown up.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_02But it's a weird, confusing, a million things going on. And you went to church.
SPEAKER_00Yes. I didn't know what else to do. I just was like, these are where my people are. If I'm gonna be with anybody, this I want to be with.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, good.
SPEAKER_00And uh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01She was actually a pro at these phone calls, though, by this time, because my first deployment when I had called, and there was I forgot that was your first deployment.
SPEAKER_00Open fire in the building.
SPEAKER_01Well, there was people shooting, so I had to let you go really fast. And you didn't get word back.
SPEAKER_00But it was like seven days later I heard from you. Maybe ten, I don't remember. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01We were talking about, you know, just oh yeah, everything's great. This is what's happening. All of a sudden, boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom. As people are shooting. And I was like, hey, I gotta go. Click, you know.
SPEAKER_00And then you just wait. Like, okay. Well, I watched for a car for a few days. I know the time frame they have to notify me. Okay, it's over that time frame. He must be okay. So as far as like I can laugh about it now, then you're just like, okay, Lord, like I I don't know what's happening.
SPEAKER_01So as far as like anxiety and worry, this one would in my mind would be easier because you knew and that everything was okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01In a very confusing way, maybe. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Maybe, yeah, I guess. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So what so in those times, so you even talk about, so you knew the process. You knew how long they had to notify you if Joshua had died. You knew some of the ways that information happens. You also knew that, because you'd been in for a little while, you you knew that you know the military doesn't always do their communication perfectly. No. Almost never does it perfectly. And so we've got to we've got to work through that and respond to that. How are you like in that time frame though that you're waiting? So, like, all right, they got 48 hours or whatever it is. What what are you telling yourself? What are some ways, or maybe even better, 20 years later, what would you tell yourself? Like, what are some what are some things you want to rehearse in that moment?
SPEAKER_00Well, one thing I could say is I'm very thankful for the church. Like our church was heavily military. A lot of guys had already been to Iraq, come back from Iraq. So there were a lot of people home, a lot of people transitioning back over there. So I like had a huge support system immediately speaking truth. Like, okay, thank God he's alive. If they say this, like we have to trust what the doctors are saying right now. Honestly, similar to Joshua feeling, I mean, he was concussed, I wasn't, but it did feel a little like I don't know, euphoria. That's probably not the right word to use, but like kind of an outer body, like experience, disorienting and like we have a baby, we're about I'm about to have another baby. There's just so much life happening that it was kind of like okay, kind of survival mode. I don't know that I processed it right away, like what was actually happening. I think 20 years later, I would I think I would have slowed down a little bit more to just receive it. If I'm if I'm being frank, I was really afraid I was gonna go into labor early because I had watched so many women that happened to them when they received news, just the stress of things. We weren't prepared for that. I I wasn't prepared to go into labor yet.
SPEAKER_02There were just so many things sounds like it would have been very premature at that point.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, it would have been a little well. Actually, I had Elissa about four weeks after the accident. Okay. So it wouldn't have been too premature, but like Joshua's mom was planning to come out, she wasn't there. I had a birth plan set up, I had a one-year-old, we're 45 minutes from Naval Hospital, Camp Pendleton. There were just so many things I was trying to think of. And I still was in charge of the wives. So there was I I there was a couple deaths shortly after that that I had to prep flowers for.
SPEAKER_02It was like You're still doing this.
SPEAKER_00Yes, like staying busy. So I would have I don't know. I don't I think that was good for me to remain busy and not sit and wallow in it. Yeah, I don't know. That's good.
SPEAKER_01And I so a full circle moment for me on my end was and you mentioning Elissa being born just made me think of it. We were driving down that same stretch of freeway in the same region when I got a message on the Blue Force tracker that Elissa had been born right around the same place where I could have died easily.
SPEAKER_00Wow. Everybody was like excited about it. That was kind of shortly after you started doing missions again.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I think you hadn't been out very long because you were out of commission for a a little while.
SPEAKER_01A little a few weeks, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02No. So one thing I I hear in both of your stories, I really appreciate y'all sharing this. This is so helpful. Makes me process my own life a little bit as well. I I trust that's happening for others that are listening. One thing I hear about both of you is is you kind of defaulted. In the military, we would say you defaulted to your training. But but really that's happening here on the home front as well. You're still you you went to church. You got this news, you went to church. Why? Because that was your default. You didn't know what else to do. So when when things like this happen, we will drop down to our default. When so Joshua kept doing his job until you know he needed to not, or somebody pulled him out of that situation, or whatever the case was, you kept prepping flowers for wives who had lost their husbands, even while you're wondering, like, I don't even know if my husband's okay. And so you default in those places. And so I would encourage folks to look at okay, what is your default? Like when life punches you in the mouth, what is your default? Like, what do you default to? Like, I it is amazing to me the excuses we give ourselves when things are pretty calm to not be in scriptures, not be in church, not be dependent on the Lord in prayer, not be in community with other believers, right? Like the the excuses we give ourselves for not doing that, but in these moments, we need that default. Like we're gonna default to those habits, we're gonna default to those disciplines. So, how did those things minister to you in that time to to default to those good and healthy things?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think life just kept going as normal. At that point, the church we were going to had a Sunday morning, Sunday evening service, Wednesday prayer meetings, like a good old traditional Baptist church. And I just kept on. I continued play dates.
Default Habits During Shock
SPEAKER_00We had a weekly like women's Bible study that I was a part of. I just kept doing the work for that. It just kept returning to the word. Like honestly, if you listen to our testimony episode from way back when, it's like one of the first few episodes, we didn't grow up in Christian homes and the church was our family, and we learned everything about spiritual life, like be in the word of God, be praying continually. And at this point, we had been a Christian Christians for a couple of years, two, probably, and that was just the new norm. And at that point, I was like, I don't know what else to do. I will just keep turning to the Lord. Like when Psalm says He is our refuge, even and I learned then they used to say, Hey, are you doing your devotion? And I realized early on in my Christian life, even when I don't feel like it, it's not about what I feel. It's called devotion because you do it even when you don't feel like it. So I don't know, it it forced me to deepen my prayer life.
SPEAKER_02I'm glad you mentioned that fact that you've you've only been a Christian for two years at this point. And that's really y'all came to faith about the same time, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he was a little bit after me.
SPEAKER_02So really, man, it's really good. Like uh Joshua, you had stepped out of the room. Brittany shared like a thought that you had as the explosions happening or about to happen, where you're like, take me. If you gotta take anybody in this truck, take me, like that prayer.
SPEAKER_01And you were gonna Yeah, yeah. No, that's that was a common thing. We we talked a lot about religion in our in our vehicle quite a bit.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And we talked a lot about Christianity. And oftentimes when we're pulling up to suspected IED situations, you weren't gonna sit and wait for EOD to come a day later. You had to get through and you couldn't couldn't just not clear it. So it was typically me going up to whatever the the obstruction was in the road and and whatnot, because I'm looking back at these guys thinking, well, if if I die, I go home. Yes, I leave my family, and I'm sorry about that. But but like these other guys are gonna spend eternity uh away from God. So that was kind of the default going into it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And that's I mean, it's just a mature thought, it's a selfless thought, it's a very good Christian thought, but and prayer, it's a good one. And Brittany, even just like the disciplines and the habits, I think you were in a more legalistic church at the time that's very like to do all the right things. Yeah, but that served you, and the Lord used that in your life. And you know, I think one of the things for in our church cultures where we're trying to pull away from some of the legalism, is we we pull too far away into the other ditch of of just like you know, laxadaisicalness or just not having that discipline. But on your hardest days, when things happen, like what do I do when? dot dot dot. For you, it was the default of this spiritual disciplines that really just kind of kept you going. In that in that place.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean, Tatum went to bed at like seven o'clock at night, and we before Joshua would left to go on the second deployment, like we she would do bath and we would pray with her. And I just kept those things going. One thing I would say is it definitely intensified. Like I would sleep with my Bible at that point. Like it just made me fall so much more in love with the Lord. Like, cause I just knew I if anybody is going to take him, it's going to be the Lord. Like Joshua would always say, from the time he got saved to now, and he still tells me this when I get fearful or anxious, like nobody dies before their time, Brittany. And I could just like hear it, like it's just not gonna happen. And I don't know if it was like a comfort thing to him, but in those moments I was like, well, this is true. Like and I think that did start opening our eyes to the Lord's sovereignty in different ways. It started to make us ask questions. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. How else has this experience affected you 20 years later? Helps me in traffic jams. Helps you in traffic jams?
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah. Absolutely. So asking more. So normally when somebody gets in traffic, they get really irritated and frustrated with going what's going on. When the the IED strike happened, and if I had been in a thin skin Humvee, I'd definitely be dead. And almost died. And they had they had to stop. And one of the guys, I don't know if he was Army or Air Force in one of those semi-truck looking vehicles with the trailers, gets out and is all irritated that we had to do a security stop. And so this guy, he was a corporal at the time, is is being confronted by this guy, and he hasn't been on his radio hearing what had just happened. And I hear this all after the fact. And he they got into a little tussle because he, you know, the corporal's mad because he knows his buddy is injured up up front. Right. And now you have this guy being like, What's the holdup? You know, the holdup man. I want to get like he's doing I-95.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Right. So whenever I'm in traffic, I think about that. I'm like, am I gonna be the arrogant, ridiculous dude, just irritated about the time right time frame? Or am I gonna think about what's happening up ahead? Like somebody might be struggling for their life. Literally
Perspective That Changes Daily Life
SPEAKER_01somebody hurt, there might be somebody dying or dead. So to put things into perspective.
SPEAKER_02Especially unexpected traffic jams, uh, there's probably a serious accident that has caused it. And so, yeah, that's man, that's really wise. Brittany, how's that affected how's it affected your life?
SPEAKER_00Um it taught me to not hold on to little things. Like I just remember when I got the call, as as military wives do sometimes, like you have that one sweatshirt you don't wash because it still smells like them and you sleep with it or whatever. And something Joshua used to do was like leave socks on the floor by the bed, and it used to just irritate me because I like things put where they belong. And I and there was still a pair of socks sitting on the floor because I remember thinking, like, if he doesn't come home, he left those there, which is weird, I know, but I'm just being honest. And that stuff just I was like, he could leave all his socks on the floor, he could do whatever, you know what I mean? Like things like that just don't bother me. I just I see it as a joy and a privilege to move socks or to put a dirty dish away or whatever. Like it gave me a perspective of what really matters in life at a really young age. I mean, I'm 21 years old at this time. We had Tatum when we were 20, Alyssa when we were 21. We're both very young. And it just gave me a fresh perspective of like Joshua mentioned in the last episode, who's really in control? Am I using my prayer life as like God's a genie in a bottle, or am I just fully surrendering and trusting him? It just taught me a lot of things at a very young age of that I've been able to go back to. But really, honestly, in marriage, I think there's just so many arguments and fights over things that really don't matter. And our marriages suffer. And I just was like, Lord, I don't care what it is, I'll do it for the rest of my life if you bring them home. Like it just didn't matter. Yeah, it's good.
SPEAKER_02Perspective.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, perspective is everything.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, great perspective. Well, I I appreciate you guys sharing a bit of your story. I know I I feel like a lot of times hindsight gives us some some ways to think about things, and uh hopefully it's it's helpful and therapeutic for you guys to just kind of talk through some of these things, and I trust it's helpful for others to to hear it and and process as well.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Any last thoughts?
SPEAKER_00I just like I know we've been at a time of peace for a long time. And so like some of you listening might be like, oh, these old guys talking about their stories and stuff. But your husbands are gonna be training, they're gonna be doing things like don't miss what God is doing in the heart of the military and find the joy in it. If anything, like people who know Joshua are often like, he's just jovial. Well, yeah, he almost died at 21. He sees life as like a gift, he sees it very differently. Like in the military, we are afforded an opportunity that some people will never have to serve the nation, to protect others and love them. And as wives, we get to help our husbands in this. And I just want to encourage the women out there, like even though they're gone a lot, what they're doing and who they're becoming is so important. And it's made me think this last thing who am I becoming? Am I becoming more like Christ through the military life, through now being a pastor's wife? Whatever your perspective is set on, you're becoming like it and you're making that choice.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, and if you're if you're thinking, oh, well, that was a different time, we were in full-scale war, all that, just know. And this is not to scare you, it's to put more weight on what you just said, honey. And that is training accidents happen and m in the I would argue to say probably in the last 15 to 20 years, we've had more casualties in training than we have in wartime. So uh we've lost all the things training accidents. Yeah. So yeah. All the things it could happen anytime.
SPEAKER_02And so and we've lost far more veterans to their own hand and or addiction
Encouragement For Wives And Next Steps
SPEAKER_02and other similar things. Way more. Way more than than we have in combat. And so I I think one reason I wanted, especially for those who know Joshua and or hear him on the podcast, like Joshua is our comedic relief so often, and he is very jovial. And sometimes we interact with people like that and think like, yeah, you don't you don't get hard, you don't understand hard that I'm going through right now. Just understand that sometimes people do. People, people know more than you might realize, and and even if they have a jovial personality and those types of things. So yeah, hopefully this has been helpful. Thank you guys so much for sharing. Thank you for our listeners for stopping by again on another episode. If there's I'd I'd be interested, if there's any like stories you've heard us like quickly allude to, or you're like, man, tell us, yeah, what did you learn in this type of situation or that? Feel free to email those questions in. Hello at military wellness collective.com. Hello at military wellness collective.com. If this podcast is helpful, please go ahead and follow it so you don't miss another episode. We're committed to uh publish every Monday. We know we missed one. Thank you for our faithful listeners who texted us that morning. We're like, hey, is there an episode today? But we're committed to do this each week. And uh thank you guys so much. We love you guys.