Vasectomies, Vacations, Church Camp | Can I Riff? EP10 - w/ Erik and Bailey

🎙️ Episode 10: Vacations, Vasectomies & Church Camp Memories

This week, we're joined by our first-ever guest, Tim, for a hilarious and surprisingly heartfelt conversation. We dive into everything from planning dream vacations and making family memories to the realities of adulthood, marriage, and a very candid discussion about Tim's upcoming vasectomy.

Along the way, we swap stories from church camp, revisit some questionable childhood games, talk about the challenges and rewards of parenting, and share why getting away from everyday life can be exactly what your family needs.

Plus: Ireland adventures, beach vacation mishaps, fake ad reads, and enough laughs to make you feel like you're hanging out with old friends.

🎧 Grab your favorite snack, settle in, and join us for a conversation that's equal parts funny, nostalgic, and unexpectedly meaningful.

✨ In this episode:
• Tim's big life decision and the "going-away party" plans
• Family vacations and why they're worth every penny
• Ireland travel stories and vacation planning tips
• Parenting, marriage, and life transitions
• Church camp memories, friendships, and growing up
• Hilarious improvised sponsor ads and podcast chaos

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Transcript

Intro & podcast chaos

0:01

Can I riff? Permission to rip. Permission granted. Clear the riff. What do you think about a riff right now? Man, I think we need a riff. Can I riv? Permission to riff. Oh my goodness. We have a guest. Today. It is our dear friend Timbo. Timmy Grimes. Now, some of you, some of you uh diehard fans know that me and Timmy had a podcast. Way before.

Tim joins as our first guest

0:47

Way before me and my honey had a podcast. It was called The Sponge Pod, where we overanalyzed episodes of SpongeBob. This was like right when Trump was taking over, and the world was about to be turned upside down, to quote Hamilton. We didn't know. We didn't know what wasn't gonna go. We did not know. We did not know. And um it was a it was a weird time because everything was being overanalyzed. Anyway, welcome to the podcast, Tim. Thank you. Thank you for having me. And um, honey, how are you doing? I'm doing fabulous. Yeah, you want to give us a pregnancy check? Go ahead and stand up and show us your belly. No, you don't want to do that every episode now? Well, I could, but Gemma's on my lap. Oh, introducing Gemma. Yep, Jimma's our other guest. There was a time where Gemma had bit one of our kids, and we were like, man, we do not know if we're going to keep Gemma. Jimma, you have anything to say for yourself on that one? She would say, No, but we didn't want to show her in the podcast because we didn't want our people to judge us and say, hey, they had a dog and now they don't. But she figured it out. We got her some therapy. Yep, she's good. We did one therapy session, and the therapist was like, This dog is not gonna get any better. Well, okay. We just said it basically like she's got a lot of issues. Yeah, and we were like, oh, really? She bit her kid in the face. We know that. This is sounding so bad. No, but she was going through transition, like we're all going through transition, right? Honey, that's right. Yeah, yeah. So anyway.

The vasectomy conversation

2:24

Alright, honey. Can I rive? Yes. Alright, so I have a funny. So this is gonna relate to Tim because he's our guest. He's our first guest on our our pot, our hit podcast, Can I Riff? Um and so I want to start this with a story. I think I've actually told this story on the podcast before, but it was really it was really funny. My mom at one point, you know, so you got married like what, two years ago at this point? Uh a little over a year. A little over a year. Not even close on one end. Okay, because Bailey and I were together for that. That's right. Yeah, yeah, but it was, yeah. Um, and it was funny because at one point my mom had said something to the point of like, oh, when when is Tim and Danny? When are Tim and Danny gonna have kids? You know, and it was like an assumption, you know, because like, and I think it is it what it is, is like you guys are this white Midwestern couple that goes to a church, and it was just the assumption, you know, that Tim and Danny are gonna have kids. And I was like, I don't I don't know that they're gonna have kids. And my mom was like, what the heck? Like, they love like Tim's, you know, goes to church camp every year. He's you know, Danny's a teacher, like they love kids, like why aren't they gonna have kids? And I was like, I think to quote Tim, he just said, I don't want to have kids. And direct quote, yeah. And that's a direct quote. And and it was like, it's funny because as a parent who like deeply wants kids, who like wants more kids, and you know, can recognize that kids, you know, delay personal growth, they delay creative projects, you know. My honey over there wanted to be an ambulance nurse. I want or a helicopter nurse. I'm sorry, helicopter nurse. I love him so much. And now she wants to be a stay-at-home nurse, you know what I mean? Because she gets to have more time with her kids. And as somebody who's like deeply, you know, deeply like changed his life for his kids, I can fully respect a person not wanting to have kids because you're like, oh, that person probably has it together, probably has something figured out because there's so many parents, and you know, I'm a t-ball coach, so I see a lot of parents. There's so many parents that when they show up, they they don't they actually don't want to be a dad. And and I feel like, and I feel like let me just shut the door, let me bring my feelings in. Hey, Eric's feelings. Um, no, I feel like like those people need to have that realization around 28 and 30, you know what I mean, to say like, oh, it makes sense that people want kids, but I don't want them. And so props to you. This whole section is we're gonna talk about your upcoming vasectomy. It's time. It's time. It's time we'd cover the podcast. This is why we brought you on. How are you feeling about it? So it's like what, June

Family planning & parenthood

5:22

8th, correct? Uh the 12th. The 12th, okay. Soon. Um, I'm feeling alright about it. Um I think like I will say, well, because it's two things, right? So it's the like it's the like um the like medical aspect and then kind of the like life aspect of it. Okay. So I think I've gotten I'm I'm there on the life aspect of it. You know what I mean? I'm like, we've made this decision. This is the direction I'm heading. I'm feeling good about this. Medically, I'm still a little like um why why is that? Just because it's his man parts are getting operated on. But does it change you medically? No, I'm just saying, like, I am just I'm just again, not even like concerned, really. Oh, you're like nervous for the show. That makes sense. Which I think is normal. I will say one thing that was a little funny when I went in for the consultation. They were like, what did he say? He said he's like basically like, you know, we're gonna like numb like the area. That'll be funny. And then, yeah, which is great. And then my honey would be so good at numbing my area. I'm like, is that an oral exam? A big needle. Um so they're like, we're gonna numb the area. And then he was like, you can take like nitro nit nitrous oxide. What did he say? He said it's a luxury, not a necessity. And I was like, okay, it's like a hundred bucks. It's like a hundred bucks. I was like, yes, please. So they would do it without? Yeah. You would just feel them on your nuts? Well, so I think it would be I think it would be numb. As I'm understanding it, it's actually very similar to the this is a weird analogy. But when I got my wisdom teeth out, they numbed the area, and then I was just awake for the whole thing. And I think it's a similar thing, but I'm not wait. So the nitrous oxide will make you go nine? I don't know. You don't go all the way, yeah. You just kind of like feel really loopy. I'm kind of confused. So like you can't feel your nerds, right? Right? But like, what's this $100 package? Is it like so that you don't remember the whole day? That's a little, I mean, I guess you would know about it. You'll remember it, but it's it like basically helps block some of like the nerve like pain receptors. So he's just gonna be kind of in a lozy-daisy. He's gonna be very much awake, but like he's gonna be very feeling like loopsy and just kind of hanging out there. But you'll you'll know what's going on. You're aware of it, but you're just kind of feeling really loopy. So, okay, but I'm still confused. So like the nitrous, it would make you it'd make you feel better. Like, because I feel like that's gonna wear out by the time you're gonna be in pain. Because you're gonna be in pain in like what two hours after the procedure. You're gonna be like you do not want any kick kicks of the boys. You know what I mean? Like of all the times you're gonna get sidewiped. So it's not like it's not like a yeah, it's not like a permanent sort of thing. Like it will still hurt, I imagine. But like so you won't go to sleep with it. So what are you paying $100 for? Yeah, I guess I don't know. So it's it's yeah, I think that's what I'm it's I guess the difference between like Yeah, just being kind of fully numb and half numb? That's maybe, yeah. I can't believe that they would ever do a procedure on someone's nuts and you'd be half numb. Well, I don't think it affects or optional. It doesn't affect numbness at all. It would be it's just gonna make Tem's like brain just kind of go into a little woo, like you know, just feeling good. He's not gonna be able to sleep, like where he's getting completely knocked out with an IV or something, but he's just gonna feel you know loopy and not being really focused on what's going on in there, but he'll be completely numb. They're gonna give the shots. Anyway, okay, we'll move on. I think I am still a little goofy. I mean, I'm just gonna have to like do it. So you know what I mean? I'm like, I'm gonna take a look at it. Well, you know what? I mean, it's funny you say that because that I think it has changed, right? Right. So they were like, I'm trying to remember. I think he was like, we will not provide you viking. Like they're like, you will not get like prescription for paid medication. An ethical note, not something a little, yeah, they're a little more cognizant of that type of stuff. Is it so is it a is it your primary doctor or is it like someone who specializes in notes? It's a specializer. Okay. Uh it's it's urology of Indiana, which they've got like a bunch of urology. So it's all of which you you do like you have you help with some urology, right? Yep, the penile region is part of urologist scope of practice. Oh, okay. I hate surgeries. I've had two surgeries. Um they scare the crap out of me, if I'm being honest. Every time I I got real anxious, I got real nervous. Um, so I'm I'm happy that you're not going fully asleep because that's like I don't know why. I had a knee surgery and a shoulder surgery, and both times I was like, but what if I don't wake up? And you know, you can basically say that. I feel like my gallbladder. It got a little nerve-wracking when they were talking to me, and then I felt myself drifting, and I was like, Well, I hope I wake up. That's where I won't tell you. I had another, it's funny enough, I went also to urology of Indiana. This was years ago, but I had a what's called a UPJ obstruction. So I had a it's a long story, but I had like a the cord between my like liver and kidney was like broken a little bit, so they like uh cut some of it out and reconnected it. Anyway, so they went through my stomach, so it was kind of the same thing, but they were I was out, and I do remember having I was very willing to be out. I think I was like, I didn't even get to you know to come back from 10. I don't even think I got to like five, uh, and I was like out. And then I do remember waking up because it was very much like um the scene in the and not totally, but it was a little bit like the scene in the first matrix where Neo wakes up because I've got this heavy blanket on me, right? And I kind of wake up and I'm like and I just realized like so the first thing I realized is I did have a catheter in. So I have a catheter. Nice. And then I've also got this like other thing that's like catching some bile blood or whatever, kind of off to the side here, and it's just and I'm like hooked up to an IV and I've hooked up and I was like just slowly realizing like I'm like, oh I'm really strapped in here, huh? So it kind of took me a minute to like realize it. Yeah. So we're gonna have a going-away party, I think. Yeah. Hoping hoping. Currently trying to plan that out. Yeah, we're trying to plan that out. Um are you like so? Are you like when we're having our going away party? Will you be more nervous, less nervous? You want it before the the surgery, right? I think so. Like after the surgery, I feel like you're gonna be out for a few days. Yeah, I mean, they basically said, you know, you can don't lift anything heavy, but you're basically good to live your life. Um, anyways, going away party. Yeah. Um, that'll be fun. What type of stuff can we do for a ventasectomy party, honey? I really wish I could remember the meatballs. Any form of balls, yeah. Meatballs. We should just do cheese balls, meatballs. Cheese balls, yeah. Those are all good. Little cheese puff balls. Yeah, cheese ball related. We should just do all ball food. All balls. I love it. That's that's it. That's very good. I do remember, I mean, I wasn't there, but I saw pictures of it. I remember when you did your going-away ceremony for your hair. That's right. The hair got buried in the backyard, I think. We're not gonna bury your nuts because they're not taking nuts. So that's not really gonna work, but I don't know. I was trying to keep it. You can blow a load and then we could keep it in a bag and we could bury it. And if you ever need to go back to it. It's like you know, I have no brain. Just kidding, we do want to be pregnant. Dig it out of the yard. Oh gosh. I wonder if it's kept. Yeah. Alright, honey. You ready? No, you're doing it. Okay. Oh, yeah, we should have Tim do it. Alright. Alright, so we're gonna have Tim do the ad read because he's our guest. He's gotta help pay the bills. Slow pulls of electric music. Alright, go ahead, Tim. Okay, I'm just gonna read it, read this, yeah. Um, some pursuits are practical. Oh yeah, others are irresistible. Oh. At Eli Lilly and Company, we're drawn to the impossible. The questions that keep brilliant minds awake at 2 a.m. Like hope-hoy. The kind of breakthroughs that make hearts race. Oh. Innovation isn't polite. Nope. It's relentless, seductive, a little obsessive. Oh. 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Ireland and Florida vacation stories

14:45

Permission to rip. Permission granted. Thank you so much. So recently, we actually have all recently went on vacations. Tim went to Ireland, and then we went to Florida with our family. And vacations are so much different as an adult, especially a parent, I feel like. Oh my gosh, yes. First of all, like beach vacations in the past were you lay on the beach all day, read, take a nap, have a drink, go upstairs, have lunch. Um, and then you have kids. So you're going to the beach, you're going to the pool, you're going upstairs, you're going around here, whatever they want to do all day. So um it's a great time, but it's way different. And I think the hardest parts, Eric can attest, is the money. Yeah. Like we say we're gonna save up, and then the time comes, and the airplane tickets go on the credit card, and you're like, all right, well, here we go. So money's a little bit more difficult when you're in the adult world going at it. Um, but we had a great time, right? Yeah, oh yeah. It was awesome. It was fun. It was it was funny because like I'm very I haven't gone on vacation in like several years. You know, like I really don't I don't know that I need vacations because I'm so I don't want to say thrifty, we just had Buffalo Wall Wings, but like I'm just so like I don't know, I don't like spending money. And vacation to me almost sounds like just spending money. But it was it was really interesting because I'll tell us I'll tell a quick story on the airport or the airplane there on our descent, Sam started freaking out because his uh ears were messed up and we couldn't explain to this four-year-old, you know, how to pop his ears and whatnot. And so he was just like kind of crying for a good 20 minutes because we were descending for a long time. And in the midst of all that, I ended up losing my right airpod, uh, which was like at the moment for my stupid

Why vacations hit differently as adults

16:39

ADHD brain, like tragic. You know what I mean? It was like I I couldn't move on. Oh, he couldn't, he absolutely could not move on. And it was really I bet it was really frustrating on your perspective, you know, because like we're at the beach now and you know, here we are. And um, and it was funny because like I wanted to do so many different things on vacation, you know, as a as a creative. This is probably the first like true vacation I've been on where I'm like this full-time creative. And in the past I've like written scripts or you know, did something creative on vacation because I was like I had a crappy sales job and I had a rare opportunity to be creative, but now I'm like creative almost every day. Like every day I have something, you know what I mean, like with my work or something. And so it was a funny moment because like I lost my AirPod and it sort of like forced me to just kind of hang out with the family, as opposed to like whatever the AirPod might have, you know, put me in an audiobook or a podcast, or like if I would have like voice detect out some notes or something like that. Like it kind of like disrupted that whole that whole side of it, and it was really fun because like I I had I feel like I had a really good time connecting with the the boys, you know. We we discovered a lot of different things about the kids and just had a lot of fun. And it's funny because like I remember when we were packing up, I was like, okay, I need to put a like a real line item in our budget to like very genuinely prioritize vacations because it was it was just a really amazing time for us to connect. How was your trip to Europe? Yeah, so Danny went to Ireland, as you know. Um, it was really incredible. It was very funny because it was gratifying on a couple of different levels, which the so the trip itself was just like amazing. The trip itself was just like amazing. Um, but also as like a planner, so I like planned the whole thing. Oh wow, I would have assumed Danny would be the planner. That's interesting. Yeah, she is in like a different sense, but I basically was like, let me try this, basically. And um, like that went off really well. Like I was just able to like like it was well planned. Um, and so that was kind of gratifying of itself. But yeah, I mean it was really um yeah, it was really incredible. Covered like a lot of ground, a lot of stuff, like everything we did was pretty cool. Like none there was no um there were no real like duds in there. Nice, you know, because you read really. Was it relaxing or did you guys kind of do a lot? It was relaxing. We tried to um I will say this, like I kind of took like a um there was a tour company that had like a seven-day trip. Yeah, and so I took that and then I just modified it, and just by like stretching it out, oh nice. I just stretched it out basically like ten days, probably eleven. And um that was Dude you just copied them. I did basically. That was like Chat GBT of you know, you just like copied someone else's thing. I did basically copy them. Like I very much I mean I added a couple of things, but I mostly just copied them. And um, like for instance, like on their tour, they had this they were this thing where you were gonna you know drive to one place, drive to another drive from one place to another, see a castle, do that for however long, and then drive and see another castle that same day. And I was like, that just doesn't seem yeah relaxing. So we just did one castle. So there was a lot of like we'd end the day at like 4 p.m. a lot of time, you know what I mean, and just kind of hang out. So that's sweet. But it was really good, it was a great trip. Yeah, we we had this, you know, we went to the beach. Um, it was really funny because I was the type that likes to plan everything out too. And I like I looked at Bailey at one point, I was like, what are we gonna do? Like, oh, I remember because we have this condo on the beach, and I'm like, okay, like are we gonna go somewhere on Tuesday, some go somewhere on Wednesday? She's like, No, we're gonna go to the beach or we're gonna go to the pool. That's exactly how it's supposed to be. No, I just couldn't understand that. Like, just like going from the beach to the pool. I was like, no, we gotta go somewhere and do something. Um, but it it really worked out. Now we came back home and we have sand everywhere. It's still finding in places like action figures they took on the beach, still like Iron Man still has sand on him, Black Panther has sand on him. I'm pretty sure we washed our sheets, and then the other day I found sand on our sheets again. Oh, probably, yeah. Where did that come from? Yeah, that's how I love the beach, but the sand, it can be difficult in that aspect. Yeah. I'd say the cutest part of it that I want to share is that the boys every day was this is the best day ever. Yeah. And it felt so genuine and it cracked us up too because we're like, man, every day is the best day. Like I top finally games. You get such an emotional response from us the first day that I'm like, I wonder if they're trying to get another Lego set, and they're just telling us that it's the best day ever. And I think it's genuine though. They had the best time, so yeah, it was a lot of fun. We uh, you know, it's really it's really hard to coordinate it all, but man, once we got out there, it it ended up being really relaxing. I'm sure I'm not like breaking, you know, news on anything. Everyone's like, wait, this just did, you know, vacations are relaxing. But like honestly, I kinda I kind of got that feeling of like, you know, we spend so much money, you know, dining out, or we spend so much money, you know, going to Pacers games or doing something fun. Like this is like such a memory for the boys, you know, going to the beach for the first time. It's such a good time for us where you know I came back and I had this just real energy towards my work that I hadn't had in a while because I felt like I just totally disconnected. It's gonna be something that I really try to value like more in our in our day-to-day. And it'll be fun to, you know, like we shared a room with the boys, which is rough, is rough. Yeah. And so we're gonna have to recommend that. Next time we do that, it was also a big family. So we went with my family, and that component went pretty well. Yeah. Um, my dad definitely got up early and was playing Pink Floyd when Michael was sleeping. The little baby Michael was sleeping. And so there were little moments that were like, all right, they're not used to having babies, but they're not, that's fine. It actually was fun though. They were like in the room, you know, it was it was it was a good situation. Yeah, we had a really good time. Alright, time for another ad read. It's my turn to read, and my honey will make some sexy noises in the background, but not too sexy. There's kids watching, okay? Okay, all right. You've been good all day. Oh, yeah, I have. Responsible, disciplined. Maybe a little deprived. Not me. Oh my god. But then Texas Roadhouse walks in. Okay, Chat GBT. That unmistakable aroma, the sizzle, the heat, the kind of hand-cut steak that arrives looking like it knows exactly what it's doing. And those rolls. Ow! Ow! Warm, soft from the oven. And then they hand you cinnamon butter like they're not fully aware of the effect that it has on people. And just when you think you can keep your composure, here comes the ribs. Tender, messy, absolutely worth ruining your dignity for. Maybe you tell yourself you'll get just a salad. That's adorable. Because five minutes later, you're taking you're making prolonged contact, eye contact, with a loaded baked potato and reconsidering your entire personality. Your entire personality. I'm a furry now. It's gonna be daddy, the sweet potato one. Like, actually I'm an introvert now. Yeah, yeah. The temptation with excellent side dishes. So go ahead, indulge a little. We're not here to judge what happens between you and your bread basket of bread. Texas Roadhouse. Legendary food. Questionable self-control. Ooh. So did you you mentioned it. Did you have Chad GBD? Yeah. And then we ask it to be sexier? Okay. I like that a lot. That's very good. As if Texas Roadhouse could get any sexier. Soft, buttery rules.

Church camp memories & lifelong friendships

25:09

Alright, can I riff? You sure can. Alright, honey. So for our last riff for the for the viewers, we're gonna talk about something that Tim and I find near and dear to our hearts. Church camp. So Tim and I, we actually became best friends at church camp. Yep. Um I I started going, I think, my seventh grade year at Pyoka. Which you still go to, you're going to in like what two weeks? Yeah. Wow, in a week. We were talking about it. Yeah, we're just I just was at a meeting actually. So yeah, about we get a lot of. And how many years have you served as a counselor? So I just figured this out. Uh 14. There you go. Yeah, and I feel like this will be 15. Sorry. I feel like I've been to Pyoka like four or five times. And I went as a you know, a camper two or three times. I went to kids, we did kids camp together in high school, um, which was a lot of fun. Um, and uh yeah, man, that's like it's like a form for formidable memory of mine, and it was really funny. So at church, um actually, real quick, memory. Do you remember this game that we used to play called No Kids? Of course I remember no kids. How beautiful is just very funny. Yeah, that you can go back to Pioca and play your last game of no kids. This will be my very last game. I'm gonna introduce it to a whole new generation this time. You can have a good conversation about like, it doesn't matter. Squash them, they're going away anyway. Squash. Oh god, squash. No, so okay, for the people at home, so no kids is like basically back in like what 19? It was like 2002, I guess. It was like right after 9-11, right? 2004. You were still recovering from 9-11. No, it was I think it was middle school. So 9-11 happened for you and I in fifth grade. Right. And it was seventh grade, so it was like 2003 or something. And all my my life I tend to think of like was nine, 9-11 happened yet. There it is. Um anyway, so 2003-ish. Yeah, you know, back when you could do crazy stuff. Um we we like the middle school boys, there's a there's like a whole hill, and like the middle school boys would like all lay down like flat, and they would throw up footballs, they'd throw up basketballs, they'd throw up, you know, anything that the the bin had, they'd throw it up in the air, and then it would drop and it'd hit you in the face, it'd hit you in the belly, it might hit you in the balls. Could you like not move your hands? Is that part of it? If you moved, you were a pussy. Yeah, that was there was no other part. There were people that we shunned. Nothing else. We said, Brian, go away. You're not playing no kids, you're too scared. One of my favorite no kids memories is I don't can't remember if anybody ever hit it, but it's hard to describe, but there's a field, right? As you said, there's the field, and then like up a little bit, there's the lodge, and it's like pretty far. I mean, it's a really good amount of feet. Yeah, it's a hard throw. But there's a balcony, and people would chuck from the balcony sometimes and see if they could hit people. Uh my favorite memory is that counselors did it. Yes, the counselors would also do it. College kids and high schoolers did it, yeah. Did you guys ever get hit in the nards? Oh, all the time. I just don't remember. I'm like sure that I do. You were like smart enough to not do it. You know what's which is hilarious because you don't even have kids and you don't even care about it. Exactly right. I one thing that was funny that I do remember was I um and I I'm I hate to admit this because it was shameful, but I would because occasionally what would happen is you'd throw the ball up, right? And then I remember one time I just got overzealous, and someone was laying on the ground, and I like hit the ball as it was coming down, and I remember one of the counselors was like, You gotta lay down, you gotta lay down now. They made me lay down to get like hit the ball into somebody else, and I'm like, That's fair. Which is funny because like I remember you being you already knew who you were in middle school, I feel like you were such a distinct kid. I remember I was like, Yeah, you and hit me in the nuts, fine, I'll lay down. Like, I wasn't even a Christian going into it. I was like, okay, yeah, Jesus is my savior, cool. Will you be my friend? You know, yeah, and later on. But it was it was um yeah, that was a fun, it was a fun memory. And it was funny, I think like years later they stopped doing it because they were like, wait, this is horrible. I think it just phased out. I mean, the other thing that really phased out was do you remember when we would we were obsessed with whipping each other with uh bandanas? Oh yeah, like Sam Bauer. Shout out to Sam Bauer, he would rip people. Wait, what are you guys hitting each other with? Like with our bandanas. So we would get a bandana and then you'd wep the tip of it, and then just like beat Christ into people. We did it for like it was like most of camp. Oh yeah. Yeah, at one point they were like, You gotta stop. I went home with like bruises and scrapes on my leg, and mom was like, What did you guys? I was like, I don't know, we whipped each other. I'm gonna go back outside. You know, yeah, right. And my mom didn't care. Crazy. Did you ever go to church camp, honey? I went once. Uh, it's so hard to remember all of it. Like it was just a local area. I had to have been in elementary school because one of my friends who had moved away before middle school started um went with me. I don't remember much besides like a slip and slide thing down a hill that we went on. I just remember probably not feeling that comfortable. It was not I wasn't whipping or whatever you guys are no kids in and all. Gosh, when I was a counselor at kids camp, I would do that trick where like I was a counselor, I would do that trick where I was like, hey kids, and then I'd turn around and my butt was hanging out. And the kids would just laugh their butt off. And nowadays I'm pretty sure I'd get canceled if I did that. I guess you would. I think it's a you know, I just signed, I just re-signed the youth protection policy. And that's that might be against the youth protection policy. Yeah. So anyway, the reason we brought this up is like I was actually on Sunday, I was asked to go to our churches church camp as a bass player, and it was really funny because like it sent me through this whole wave of emotions. Yeah. Because on one end, like I love church camp, and I think it's like especially like that middle school, high school age, it's so formidable. It's such a cool spot where you can kind of like take kids away from their life at home, their phones, you can kind of just like put them, have pure fun with the kids and stuff. And so it was like, I've you know, we have a four and five-year-old. I went to church, I went to camp pyoka with you guys when Sam was like one, but ever since then it's been really hard to justify. But also the biggest reason why I was hard to justify is the time I went to church camp uh with Sam. Sam was two, actually. Um, I came home and my wife wanted a divorce. Yeah, there's some drama wrapped up into the drama. There's some trauma. I was like, oh yeah, I want to go. And then immediately I was like, Oh, I gotta go check in with my wife. Well, he was like spiraling in church. You'd like at least five different emotions at church. And I'm like, honey. It was all the stages of great. Yeah, it was. He was so excited, and he's like, Oh, no, I don't know about that. Like, how are you feeling about that? I'm like, I think it's great. I mean, I'll miss you. In the back of my head, I'm like, I've got to wait three days if she still says yes. As if like the therapist would ever be like, Well, you did wait three days. You know what I mean? Like, one of the funny details about this, and I'm not gonna go too far into details, but like basically my ex-wife met my family at Texas Roadhouse and kind of like let on, like while we were at camp, like let on that she was having a real rough time. So one restaurant that Bailey's completely banned from while I go to church camp is Texas Roadhouse. But just during that just during that time, other times. Oh, I've been told by his family too. No Texas Roadhouse when it happens, like duly noted. But I think we've decided I can go. I'm gonna end up going, it'll be fun. Huh? When is it? It is the first week of June. It's in Michigan, which is kind of tough because I think it's like seven and a half hours away, and I've got to be home for Saturday because Saturday we have like a we're going to this lake house that our family friend has. It's like our weekend to go to the lake house. So like um it is a little complicated, and we're working it out with the kids and whatnot, but like I'm excited that I'll be able to go and and it's gonna be a lot of fun. I'll bring my camera. The other kind of cool part about it is like, and this isn't that cool, but like I won't have a cabin. So like I won't like I'll be able to kind of like go and freelance a little bit. Like, I'll be able to like step into a cabin every now and then, step into this, like really work on worship, you know, shoot some video, like I'll kind of be able to like jump around and have fun. It won't it'll be it'll be pretty low pressure, you know. I've I've you know we've led cabins before, right? Yeah, and so it'll be pretty like low pressure to kind of go back in. It was really interesting. The last year I did Camp Ioka, I like I led a cabin, I gave a talk, I gave a talk about being spiritually consistent. That was like my talk. It was because I was talking to middle schoolers and I was like, you guys have no spiritual consistency, but if you just grab a little bit of spiritual consistency, like the Lord will use that wisdom seeks wisdom kind of thing, and then I go home and get a divorce. Just like, oh man, I don't want to speak to kids about anything right now. Like, I don't know anything that I'm talking about. So, anyway, it's fun. I um I'm excited to go. It'll be it'll be interesting because it's like it'll be the first time we go to like a different camp. And so, like, you know, I know you guys aren't doing like the canoe trip anymore. Yes, that's it. But it'll be very strange for me to not have these Pyoka you know memories. Yeah, or even like you mentioned today, like Jay's running camp games, like he has for how many years? 40 45, I believe. So shout out to Jay Newland, who is uh is an amazing guy, a fellow Survivor fan who applied several times to be on Survivor, but um yeah, so it'll be it'll be fun to like forge new memories. It's with a different church than you know Tim and I grew up with, so it'll be fun. And my honey is so funny. My honey was like, she was like, Well, I don't know if I can be away from you for four days. Five days. Five days. I was like, honey, five days. So I will I will tell you on that front is like I was just so like as a kid growing up, I was very like, get off the bus at camp, like I'm going. Like I've never had any real um like homesickness, and it was very funny because I remember um when Danny and I started dating, we both went to our different camps. Yeah, because she goes to a different camp at the exact same time, right? Yes, exactly. And they're probably you know 20 minutes or 20, 30, 45 minutes away. And um so funny because we uh just talked on the phone for like a really long time and like every night, and it was just not something I was like anticipating. So I know that that is now how that works. But it's just very funny because she has a very similar thing where she's like, Well, I gotta talk to you for yeah, so like the kids go to bed and then she calls me and we talk on the phone for like 45 minutes. So it's yeah, yeah, pretty much every every day. Oh, Timbo's hello. I'm gonna hope that my honey sends me some spicy something. While I'm at church, you just sat there. Why not? We're married. That's church, that's worship. Listen, if they didn't want to include the book Songs of Solomon. If God didn't want spicy, he wouldn't have included Song of Solomon in the Bible. If he doesn't want input and output, he wouldn't have given us input and output. Oh, here we go. So sorry, everybody. I'm being serious. I think God wants us to send us send each other spicy picks while we're at kids camp. Church camp. Okay. Now if I do something about that spicy picture, that's the problem, probably at that point. Okay. Okay. Well, anyway, this was a great episode of ended on a real good note there. Oh, that's silly. Thank you so much for joining us. Of course, anytime. Um, thank you, honey, for sending in the future for sending me the spicy pictures. Oh, he's going at it again. All right, we she had said nothing. Anyway, we love you all. Bye. Bye.