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Today on Sam Brown University TV, we’re asking a dangerous question: Could we survive the post-apocalypse?

We all like to believe we’d be great in an apocalyptic scenario. We personally like to think we’d be calm and resourceful. But honestly, we all have a hard time when the grocery store rearranges the aisles.

Sam is joined by Jon Daly, comedian and Fallout cast member who’s technically already lived through the end of civilization (on camera) and Manu Toigo, a survival expert and Naked and Afraid veteran who has actually survived extreme wilderness conditions with nothing but skill and mindset.

Together, they break down, what survival really takes, whether modern life has made us weaker, and how long Sam realistically lasts. Jon even recounts a big trauma from his past, and Sam laughs the entire time. This episode isn’t just about bunkers and canned beans. It’s about resilience, mindset, and what happens when comfort disappears.

If everything collapsed tomorrow…would you adapt?

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SPEAKER_05

Hi and welcome to Sam Brown University TV, or as we like to call it around here, SputVee. SputV, the only university TV network that isn't a scam, but also requires your social security number. So today on the show, we have an important question. A question that deals with life. Could we survive the post-apocalypse? And how? Today on Sputviee, we're digging deep into our souls to discover how we survive when everything goes wrong. We all like to believe we'd be great in a post-apocalyptic scenario. I personally think I'd be a calm, resourceful leader. But if I'm being honest, I have a hard time when the grocery store rearranges the aisles. And so does America. Look at COVID. During what could have been a mild inconvenience, we lost our minds, we ran out of toilet paper, and everyone started baking sourdough. So how can we believe we'd survive societal collapse by instantly becoming rugged survivalists? That's why today we are asking ourselves the question: could we survive the post-apocalypse? And how? Our guest today could almost be considered an expert in the post-apocalypse because he's an actor on a TV show called Fallout. Hello. So when we ask him. You jumped I jumped a gun, but you paused. So when we ask him if he could survive the end of the world, he's not guessing. He's been there. Please welcome actor, comedian, and host of Two Johns Don't Make a Right Podcast. John Daly. Yep. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02

John Daly. How's it going? John Daly. It's good to review here. John Daly. John Daly.

SPEAKER_05

How's it going, man?

SPEAKER_02

Good, good. You told me to get here at four. I got here at five, six, seven. I hear you. I hear you.

SPEAKER_05

Sorry, I'm late. Sorry, I was late. For real. On the bottom of the room. For real? He was super late, but I am I like But you did the live stream. First live stream. Yeah, we did the first live stream and you made it. Like I'm so happy you made it.

SPEAKER_02

I'm happy to be here. Thanks so much so much for having me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

I feel are you happy or are you like upset that I wasn't like, oh, we'll just reschedule.

SPEAKER_02

No, no, I'm happy we were knocking it out.

SPEAKER_05

You think I want to come back here? I mean, yeah. No, no, not I I feel like you wanted to be.

SPEAKER_01

I'm more burdened by thinking about it again in the future. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

And that's my I would be like, oh, dreading that. No, I'm just kidding. I'm gonna have to do this again.

SPEAKER_05

We all hate doing stuff, you know? Yeah, I don't want to leave my house. Yeah. Yeah, which is I mean cradling my gun. This is the perfect lead-in to the actual what we're talking about. Cradling my gun. Yeah. Bleep it all out.

SPEAKER_02

Just bleep the whole thing out. Let's start over.

SPEAKER_05

We can start over if you want, but I mean, I think the we'll be here forever.

SPEAKER_02

Uh no, let's do it.

SPEAKER_05

Let's keep going. We'll just all right. Hi, and welcome to Sput V. It's Tan Brown New.

SPEAKER_01

I need press training. I that's I've had press training and I need really? Yeah, I mean some. How is it? I've never had press training.

SPEAKER_06

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02

Somebody. Yeah. It's fun. No, it's fine. It's fun. You gotta have an answer for everything. Have the four movies. What are your four movies? So you can go on the red carpet and pretend you're thinking. You don't want to be thinking it, you want to be pretending to think about it as you unload your cool movie that makes you look cool. Ask me my four movies.

SPEAKER_03

Four movies. Oh my god, you can't do this to me.

SPEAKER_01

Four movies! What you're not ready for four movies? I've been drinking.

SPEAKER_05

I love, but I love every four movies for e News Live. I love them so I'm such a connoisseur of cinema, I love them all equally. Every movie?

SPEAKER_02

Every Whoa, then you like insane porn. You like insane porn. You like you equate it with you like pop lift of a nation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

I don't like Birth of a Nation just as much as Schindler's List. For number one, it's gotta be the classic Birth of a Nation. And number two, of course, Schindler's List. Yeah. Did you go to film school? No. No. I went to film school and they showed Birth of a Nation and they did the whole like, we're just showing this.

SPEAKER_02

You know, it's not good enough for that. It's like if you watch it, it's like, I know that they're like, this is just like so it was so um, you know, inventive for the time, and like uh the shots are, you know, they expanded. And I guess it did just like Citizen Kane did later, like expand the language of film, but it's not good. It's like horrible. You could have also just explained it. Oh fuck. You could have watched that movie. And it's all white people painted rough stuff. Yeah. And it's not like it's not like, oh, I get why it's brilliant. It's like, okay, this like fucking plantation owner comes out and he's like, where did they go? It sucks. You know? What else is going on, man? You dress like a professor now? Is this just you now? No, this is you, this is a character. This is the character of me. And is your name, is your character's name Sam Brown University, like your last name is University?

SPEAKER_05

No, no. Sam Brown University is the university. And it is it accredited? It's not accredited.

SPEAKER_02

And are you working on accreditation? It's sort of. Then you could, you know, be an adjunct professor. Yeah. And then college girls, right? You're a weirdo like that, right?

SPEAKER_01

I'm just saying, because you like that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

No, that's that's that's why you get into the game, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So you can like, you know, teach. Teach in the uh university level.

SPEAKER_05

You are one of Uh-huh. Your sketch group is your old sketch group, is one of the first sketch shows I'd ever seen. I used to hate. I used to hate you guys.

SPEAKER_02

I used to hate the whitest kids. I was like, fuck the whitest kids. When you guys came out, I was like, fuck you. These green boys. We were friends, but we were like, we'd watch your shows and be like, these guys suck. And then you didn't. History has proven you didn't. But like I didn't watch your stuff. Even though we were friends and we hung out and we did shows together.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Uh we I I I was always like I mean, I didn't know. You know what I mean? I was just like haterism. And now I watch your sketch. Like, I couldn't watch your show because I was so jealous. But also, I get- And you guys immediately came and like we were all like in the training school mode, and you were like, What the fuck are you guys going to do? Just do a show and shut up. And then you got huge and you were went to Aspen, I was so jealous of you. That's what I'm saying. I can't. I was like, I hated you.

SPEAKER_05

But I don't think I would be where I am if it wasn't for you. I know. If it wasn't for you going through UCB, I think you know, like it would have been. Because it inspired you so hardcore. So I literally saw Brett Gellman on the subway in 2000 when you guys were doing Mr. S. And I went, hey, you're that guy from Mr. I had to go up to Mr. S. I saw Mr. S, and I had to put Josh Perello on the Deem Duquist. The uh street and like tell him. Yeah. Like, and yeah. Cool. And that was before I even met Trevor, I think.

SPEAKER_02

Really? Wow. Yeah. Well, I'm glad I could be your hero.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we all gotta have to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02

Glad I'm your fucking hero, man. Put your tongue back in your mouth. It's so horny. It's weird. Sky is off.

SPEAKER_05

Your side of the story is like, I fucking hated you. No, I'm trying to be scary. I didn't I didn't hate you.

SPEAKER_02

I I loved you guys, but I was like, I have to like work with these guys. I was like, I uh and and I just remember so everyone at UCB was like, fuck those guys. Because you were doing it right, actually.

SPEAKER_05

You know here's the thing though, is like, is I get why, you know, like Trevor, Zach, and Darren were all so pretty, but why'd you have to hate me and Timmy? You're pretty? You don't you don't consider yourself pretty? I consider those guys.

SPEAKER_02

I consider you a good looking man.

SPEAKER_05

Not like those guys.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but nobody likes pretty men. You're more attractive than those guys. You're a you're a fucking rock'em sock'em badass.

SPEAKER_05

That's what I'm fishing for.

SPEAKER_02

You look like you could get win a fight. You know? Those guys know. You know, you think Darren's gonna win a fight? No, Darren could win a fight. Look, I don't know. I haven't seen Darren in years. Shout out to Darren. It looks the same. It's kind of infuriating. Oh, yeah, he's one of these. He's like, looks great. He's always looked great.

SPEAKER_05

Dude looks great, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe he's got one of those paintings in his attic.

SPEAKER_03

He's got a Dorian grab. Picture of Darren.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

So with Fallout, do you think you're do you think that that has Um Yeah?

SPEAKER_02

Go ahead. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05

Do you think that's changed how you view survival situations?

SPEAKER_02

Um has Fallout changed how I view survival situations?

SPEAKER_05

How you think you would do in a situation like that?

SPEAKER_02

No, uh I think I think you gotta I was in Boy Scouts, so Oh really? I do have Rudolph, I can make a fire very well, I'd say, but I I've never done like a bow and you know thing.

SPEAKER_05

I've never that's hard. That's hard, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But I have when I go camping, I do a sparky thing to light my fire. The sparky thing is the flint and steel. I have a go bag. You have a bag, yeah. All right. I have a go bag.

SPEAKER_05

You have the go bag before fallout?

SPEAKER_02

Before fallout? No, the fires. The LA. So you're like, I need to go back. I had to evacuate. My house, thank God, did not burn down, but uh had to evacuate. We had to evacuate, and we uh and so I was like, oh wow, when you like have to evacuate, it's like there's no cell phone service, there's no like siren going off. It's just like your neighbor, you have to like go talk to your neighbors who I mean no, I became friends with my neighbors because of it, but yeah, it just goes south, and you're like, oh, I don't have any maps, I don't have any anything. And so yeah, we got like a go bag, you know, just to like throw stuff in because we had to like pack up all our stuff in like 40 minutes and leave. Yeah, terrible. Yeah, it was scary. It was just it made us pull the trigger on the go bag, at least.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. So playing a character in a TV show didn't affect you much. Actually, going through uh a disaster did.

SPEAKER_02

Going through a disaster did, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, all right. That makes sense. That tracks.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I feel like yeah, my character in Fallout has like pretty bad radiation poisoning, I think. Like and it's like his whole skin is flaking off constantly. It's disgusting. So that would be bad. I mean, I don't know how I'd react to that, but hopefully your survival instinct stays attacked and you just don't blow your brains out.

SPEAKER_05

When you auditioned for the character of snake oil salesman, did you know he was going to be introduced as a chicken fucker? No. No, that's interesting. No. Because I thought it was funny that they they call your character snake oil salesman.

SPEAKER_02

I auditioned for many roles. Oh, really? I auditioned for five different roles or something and and Vollout and then got this one.

SPEAKER_05

It's funny though, like like the character like comes in and the at the end of the scene the guy's like, that guy just fucked my chickens.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I'm covered in feathers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

And uh but they're like, oh, that's the snake oil salesman. It's like, well, yeah. This came on, and not that I was watching this and being like, oh fuck, fuck John Daly and Johnny Pepperton. Uh I was excited, but it was like so exciting. So it was a part of you. It was so exciting to see like to get to that point where it's like, oh, I want to watch the next episode, like immediately.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's really good.

SPEAKER_05

Like uh like do you do you have that like when you you have friends who have you know you've been in a lot of shows with a lot of people and you've like a show comes out that someone that's does, and you're like I guess I'll watch it, but you kind of like part of you doesn't want to watch it because it feels like work.

SPEAKER_02

If it's a show, if it's a TV show, I feel like you don't have to watch it all. Like you watch a couple episodes.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. But like it's I'm a fan.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, good. Okay, cool. Yeah, thanks. I think it's cool. I make it, I write it. Yeah. But like I made the video game.

SPEAKER_05

That being said, though, like you are part of like I mean I think the the people who are making it are doing a great job by being like, hey, we need a John Daly in this world.

SPEAKER_02

That's well, hey, thank you.

SPEAKER_05

And like the just that that that's a comedic edge to it.

SPEAKER_02

Right. I'm really funny. Very funny guy. Yeah, so I'd bring that. I bring that skill. But like, I put out great vibes like at parties and stuff. Like, I'm really fun, but then I'm like evil to you know, Uber drivers, like I'm like, you know, I'll fucking haul off and make them feel really bad. People like that can help me on the in Hollywood, like you're an angel. You're my man.

SPEAKER_05

What's up, dog? Wait, let's bring out the guest. Our expert today is an Australian-born survivalist who made it 21 days in the Panamanian jungle on Discovery Channel's Naked and Afraid. Wow. And now focuses on survival training programs on her Southern California property. She's going to be the first call or smoke signal I make in an actual apocalypse. Please welcome Manu Toigo. How are you doing today?

SPEAKER_00

I'm doing just fine.

SPEAKER_05

You also um had an insane trip in Africa that you were telling us about.

SPEAKER_00

That was uh done with National Geographic, and the premise of it was trekking through the Serengeti to the Mara River, and we were following the wilder beast. So that was a 300-mile bloody trek on foot, carrying whatever you could on your back, and literally that that that I have to say was the most brutal, even more brutal than than um the the times that I've been on naked and afraid.

SPEAKER_05

Really?

SPEAKER_00

It was brutal.

SPEAKER_05

I love this. So what was the process like? Like uh like Did you have to collaborate with the other people that were taking the the trip with you of like what you were gonna bring? And did you have to decide as a as like a a team or was it an individual effort of like this is how I'm gonna make this?

SPEAKER_00

Uh no, it became a team effort. So basically um they pretty much dumped all of the supplies and and we we put ourselves into small groups and we collected what we needed for our small group, and then as a small group we had to go and do that trick together. Um but we had to carry everything on our back. There was no backpacks, there was no easy way, you know, to do anything. We had to, you know, like do our own rigs to carry things. Um and uh the worst thing is just carrying those damn water bits like cherry cans you know, full of water. And the worst part is speaking of fallout, the water situation. I don't think people really realize how freaking important that is. In Africa, we're coming to water holes where animals are pissing and shitting in and dying, right? Come to a couple of water holes, there's dead carcasses there. Yeah, we have to drink that water. Yeah, you know, one, you've got to know how to sterilize it, boiling, but on top being in a place like that, you're not only boiling, man, you're just adding iodine to it that you just feel like you're drinking solid iodine. It was and it's just drinking mud.

SPEAKER_02

And is that that purifies it, right? The iodine?

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Do you not filter it in a filter thing?

SPEAKER_00

You can. Yeah, you can. I did actually make up in a couple of my shows, not um, you know, because I've done a few others. I have contrapped it. Um filter a filterizations.

SPEAKER_02

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Just in the wild or just in the wild.

SPEAKER_02

With like rocks and pebbles, then sort of thing.

SPEAKER_00

Well the first time I would do it, yeah. No, the the first time, the first time, I mean, I've known this since I was a kid, right? Just the way I grew up and everything. But it was a show that I did in the Colorado Mountains, and we had raw animal skins, still with the fat and crap on it, right?

SPEAKER_06

Right.

SPEAKER_00

And uh so we were boiling water inside that hide, so you can imagine the stent the oil, the flesh, the rotten flesh.

SPEAKER_02

Boiling water inside hide.

SPEAKER_00

And it was like Yeah, that's gnarly. So I did some aspen bark, turned it into a cylinder, fixed up like sapin ash to glue it together, use some animal high to tie it together, put it around the bottom, and then I just put grass, sand, charcoal from the fire, and that, and you just filter it through that, and it actually comes out.

SPEAKER_03

Charcoal's charcoal filter. Charcoal. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It's like everything. You look at all the filtering systems here. Yeah, just because it's filtering doesn't mean it's sterilizing it. Yeah. Right. Because you have Cryptosporidian and you have giardia, and God knows what else is out there.

SPEAKER_02

Giardia is not no fun.

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_02

I had giardia, I got giardia.

SPEAKER_00

Then did you get giardia?

SPEAKER_02

I know. Um I can't do it. Because I can drink from my dog licked, was licking a puddle. We were on a walk, and my dog just like licked my face and giardia.

SPEAKER_00

You're shitting me.

SPEAKER_02

And I got diagnosed, like, you have giardia, and they sent me, you know, they they sent me a picture of the giardia molecule or whatever, and never really got it. Yeah, it's a dog disease. Oh my god. Humans can get it really easily, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

They're like, have you been kissing any dogs lately?

SPEAKER_02

It's the worst. It's like amoebic dysenteria.

SPEAKER_00

But the those those types of bacteria are from animal feces. Yeah. And human feces.

SPEAKER_02

That's what giardia is from, is beavers often. Beavers shitting or whatever animals.

SPEAKER_00

It got deer. Water. What comes to water? How long were you sick for? Water is life.

SPEAKER_02

What do animals do? They shit all the time.

SPEAKER_05

How long were you sick for with giardia?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Um, I like kind of a long time because I didn't get antibiotics right away. Oh. And I was like, oh, this will get better. And it was like horrible dehydrates you. It's very bad. It's like go to the hospital now kind of stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

No, you can't get rid of giardia. It does need medical treatment.

SPEAKER_05

So, how did you end up a person that can just go out there and survive in the wild?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Because the way I grew up.

SPEAKER_05

How did you grow up?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I I I grew up in the bush on open lands and everything like that. I didn't have any parental guy, you know, hovering parents. I was a wild child. So I was heading out there doing all sorts of crazy stuff.

SPEAKER_02

What kind of animals were around you growing up?

SPEAKER_00

The salt water crocodiles.

SPEAKER_02

Oh man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I've had close encounters to those.

SPEAKER_02

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Those are gnarly, yeah. Terrible.

SPEAKER_00

They are one thing that do terrify me. And our snakes.

SPEAKER_02

Snakes then plentiful. It's the most dangerous animal place ever.

SPEAKER_00

Australia has the top ten most venomous snakes.

SPEAKER_05

Really?

SPEAKER_02

All the top ten are there.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_05

Do you have any snake bites under your belt?

SPEAKER_00

Uh, no, one. One. But it was a python, so it was cool. That was my dad's fault. It was my dad's fault. So whatever. Yeah. My dad caused that one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We were hooning around the paddock in there, and there's a carpet snake.

SPEAKER_01

Just hooning around the paddock.

SPEAKER_00

Come on.

SPEAKER_01

This is my favorite new phrase. We're hooning around the paddock.

SPEAKER_00

There's a carpet snake, you know, across the road, and dad tells me I'm only a kid, right? And he goes, get out, get the snake off the road. So I was like, okay, all right, you know, going out and I'm trying to get this python off the road. And dad, dad's gonna like hurry up, hurry up, hurry up. I'm like, hold on, hold on. And he gets out, and and he does something, and he tries to pull the snake. Then the snake turned around and bit me instead. And then he got pissed at me because then he had to drive, you know, we had to go to the bloody hospital, which is hours away, a couple hours away.

SPEAKER_02

Right. But no venom, right?

SPEAKER_00

No, no. But but with any snake bite, even if it's a non-venomous, you've got nasty bacteria. So just just like a cat bite. Right. Iodine. That is one supply you need. Everyone needs in their cupboard. In their go bag, yeah. In their go iodine.

SPEAKER_02

And that's for it's for your thyroid.

SPEAKER_00

It's for thyroid. It's radiation, right? It's it's it's uh radiation protection. Well, it's uh no, but you know we can we can hope. Oh we can hope. I mean I don't know. But no, I just grew up just having to do things basic. Grew up no TV, no anything like that. Did you hunt? Uh yeah, we did we did pig hunting, we did kanga. Oh, fun. Yeah. Yeah, that was fun. Did you have guns? Yes.

SPEAKER_02

It was guns. Rifles? Yes. Handguns as well?

SPEAKER_00

No, rifles, rifles, and shoddies. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Cool. Fun. That sounds fun. Did you have like quads?

SPEAKER_00

No. Like, you know, like quad runners? No, we just had hoon cars, man. Hoonin around the paddock?

SPEAKER_01

What's a hoon car? What is a hoon?

SPEAKER_00

Uh a hoon car, like a a beat-up car.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Right.

SPEAKER_00

That you beat it. A beater that you really hoon around the paddock. I mean, that's how I do that podcast.

SPEAKER_02

Hoonin around the paddock.

SPEAKER_00

Hoon around. I mean, we'd be doing donuts and sushies and breakies and everything like that. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's so that's cool. That's see, I'm jealous. What town or what uh area is this?

SPEAKER_00

Uh this is far north Queensland. Queensland. Um the village. I'm gonna call it a village because it's not a town. It's too small for a town.

SPEAKER_02

One stoplight. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_05

No stoplight.

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_05

All right. I'm just picturing, and no offense to your people, I'm just picturing the child gang from Beyond Thunderdome.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah. Because the child gang We don't need to know the game, bro. We don't need to know the way.

SPEAKER_02

That's a viral clip.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

You're on naked and afraid, right? So you're getting airdrops somewhere naked, basically. Yeah. And naked. So you're with a stranger? Yeah. Okay, and then so you have survival skills from childhood. Were you ever did you ever do anything else? Like kind of like this trip to Africa you're talking about, like what is that? Who organizes that? What's your it was a show? But it was 300 miles for a TV show.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's almost 300 miles to walk because we were walking from one border of Tanzania to the other border. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05

But like was someone on the team? Like, did someone on the team, the production team, go like, this is the show, 300 miles?

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah. I suppose whoever presents it.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe it was like a classic hike or something.

SPEAKER_05

Was it someone who actually does this stuff that came up with the task of doing this?

SPEAKER_00

Actually, I think what the basis of it was because it was we were going through we're gonna we were going to be trekking through areas of the Serengeti that hadn't been mapped or hadn't been stepped on or traveled for decades, right? So it had to be remapped. So they used this opportunity um because it's also part of the wildebeest migration, right? Yeah. And that was the premise of it.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, so you're following the wildebeest down the river.

SPEAKER_00

Well, from one border to the other, because they're following the rains. Cool, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So I bless the rains down in Africa.

SPEAKER_05

So you got you're out there, you're roughing it. You're you're I do know how to rough it. Yeah, but you got this camera crew. You got this camera crew there with you.

SPEAKER_00

Um not in your face though.

SPEAKER_05

But what what are they are they like sitting in the same place as you or they have hot dogs or like yeah.

SPEAKER_00

They they have their own whatever they did. I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

They have their P2 cards.

SPEAKER_00

Well, at least at least, you know, with in Africa, you knew where everything was because it had to be contained.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But when I did Naked and Afraid, I'm one of the originals of Naked and Afraid. Just know that. So when I did it, it was the real deal.

SPEAKER_05

So were you on it before it had aired?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So you get invited because of Naked and Afraid. So that's opened up a world of like getting invited to totally insane shit, which is Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I wish it would open up more though.

SPEAKER_05

Well, I mean, how I mean, but maybe someone's watching us right now.

SPEAKER_00

I started out in the acting. I started out doing a little bit of acting here and there, dabbling, and I did some really cool shit.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Cool.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And I'm proud of.

SPEAKER_02

In Australia or in L?

SPEAKER_00

Oh here. Yeah. Yeah. And and then, you know how you're just like, fuck, what am I gonna do, man? What's my life? What am I gonna do? What's my passion? What's my passion? And then bloody hell, I just stepped into the reality TV show survival, and I went, hell yeah. I am here. Wow. You know, that's amazing. This is who I am. Because I'm not having it's me. It's me. Yeah, it's what I thrive on. I absolutely thrive on that kind of shit.

SPEAKER_02

Hell yeah. You're cool as shit. Yeah. We're all just like, what? Wait, have you ever tried to be on a or been on alone? They won't let me. Why not? Because you're already on another show.

SPEAKER_00

Because I've I've been in National Geographic and um NBC and uh Discovery. So now we're dealing with History Channel.

SPEAKER_03

That makes sense. Yeah. Sort of. Too much politics. Uh probably.

SPEAKER_00

But that but but alone. That's a little different alone, isn't it? Alone is very different, and I think it's definitely more raw and real.

SPEAKER_05

So did did the school thing come after Naked and Afraid? The what? The school? The the earth teaching group?

SPEAKER_00

Uh no, actually. It it's so you were already teaching.

SPEAKER_05

I was yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um yes, but well sorry. Let me step back. I started teaching that shit when I did my first survival show called i Caveman. Uh, and that was back in 2010 or 11. What was it called? i Caveman.

SPEAKER_05

I Caveman.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, iCaveman.

SPEAKER_05

What was that your Discovery Curiosity?

SPEAKER_00

I assume you were so so basically it was a surviving the way the caveman would. Yeah, they just did a I think it was like a social experiment. Yeah. How's that sound? They pulled any, you know, like a people from very different backgrounds who had no experience, no knowledge, or anything like that. And then they only put a couple of us in there that knew things, you know, knew how to do things. And um, and then that was the experiment. Like and it all comes down to that. It wasn't about whether or not you could survive, it's it was about managing the the mental part of it.

SPEAKER_02

Is naked and afraid alone or are you with a person?

SPEAKER_00

Naked and afraid, you're with a person. And what if you don't get along with that person? Oh, you're up shit's creek, and I've um You've always got along. I got along with my buddy.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, Russell.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Man, he's my buddy to this day.

SPEAKER_02

Good.

SPEAKER_00

Yep.

SPEAKER_02

Hot? Is he hot? You're naked or something.

SPEAKER_00

It's pretty weird. You know what? So he's like this tiny little dude. Short little dude. Short king. Yeah, short king, but with the big king. Big dick? A dong. A big dong.

SPEAKER_03

He's got that big donkey dick. Did you go, hey, the nice dong? That's a big donkey dude. Yeah, I think I did comment.

SPEAKER_00

I was like, there, yeah, I thought that's I thought my partner had a big one, but yeah, that kind of takes a cake there. You got a trunk. The funny thing is, he says, I gotta tell you right now, every when I wake up, I wake up with a boner. So just no. You know what I mean? And I'm like, yeah, sure, okay. Well, thanks for letting me.

SPEAKER_02

I wake up with a bonus.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Thanks for letting me. Was he right?

SPEAKER_02

Was he telling the truth?

SPEAKER_00

Nah, that thing was placid all the way.

SPEAKER_02

It's hard to have an angry dick on TV.

SPEAKER_00

It's probably very cold. It's very well we were. We were very cold, yes.

SPEAKER_02

How did you get shelter and food?

SPEAKER_00

We made it. You make everything. Yeah, we did everything. That was the original naked and afraid. You don't bring anything. No, we just brought our uh tools. We got one tool each.

unknown

Damn.

SPEAKER_00

What'd you bring? I had a a World War II machete. Oh. Okay. Yeah. Military.

SPEAKER_05

What did he have? Condoms. Nah, fire starter, but a crappy one. Oh no. So I mean, I imagine though, there it's it's gotta be like like awkward a little bit. At first, you're like, we're I'm naked, you're naked. You're looking at his big dick, you're like, there's a big Well how soon is it that that just goes away?

SPEAKER_00

Well, for me.

SPEAKER_05

Pretty fast, right?

SPEAKER_00

It was very fast. I didn't even think blink an eye.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

You've got to also remember the way I grew up. Man, I was running butt naked.

SPEAKER_05

What was what was between that, being the wild child and being the reality star? Like like when did you figure out, hey, I can make money off of that?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that was never on my like the I thought of making money? No. It never believe me, never made money on these survival shows. Like, trust me on that one. Um but uh no, I was in the military. I was in the military for almost, you know, almost nine years.

SPEAKER_06

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00

And I went in the military very young.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, very young at 17. Only because of where I'm from, there's not much of a future for a girl. You know, a growing girl. Plus, I didn't really look at myself as a girl. You know, I was uh I was a hardcore tomboy, so the military was my thing. That was the only thing I knew.

SPEAKER_06

Right.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't know anything else about the real world. I had no concept what that was sushi or looked like. No, I've never even heard of it. Never even heard about it.

SPEAKER_05

That's the first thing you go to, sushi. Like sushi, you know. Apocalypse happens. Do you feel like you're you're you're you're ready?

SPEAKER_00

I am.

SPEAKER_05

You're ready.

SPEAKER_00

I am. What's your first move? Even now. Like, even now. It's always running in the back of my head. It's like, what is what is what if this happens now?

SPEAKER_02

You like checking corners when you enter rooms?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Unfortunately, yeah. Pretty much. Clear! I'm one of those. Yes. Clear. Well, I do have I do too. I'm always checking things out. Yeah. I'm always paying attention to what's around me.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Do you think John and I, do you think we're liabilities or do you think I'm a liability in this context?

SPEAKER_02

You know, I uh Well, you you you talk about your go bag. I yell parkour before I start doing parkour.

SPEAKER_00

Like parkour.

SPEAKER_03

Well, you do parkour.

SPEAKER_06

Very bad.

SPEAKER_00

Very so what's on your go bag?

SPEAKER_02

Uh just parkour equipment.

SPEAKER_00

Um what is in your go bag? And is it your go bag or is this a go bag for your family?

SPEAKER_02

Yes, it's family go bag.

SPEAKER_00

How many is in your family?

SPEAKER_02

Two. Me and my wife.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, no kids and a dog.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, good.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

You know, you get to a point in your life where you feel like you're like, hey, yeah, I'm pretty much good for whatever the world has to throw at me. And then you have a kid and you're like, oh, like now I'm completely vulnerable. Like, like you are, you know. This is I have to protect this thing.

SPEAKER_02

That's what everyone says. We can skip.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, just hit the forward 15 seconds.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And anyway. No.

SPEAKER_00

You're just upset me that she doesn't want you to. I have a truck, right? I have a truck, and my truck is always prepared if shit hits. Like it's already packed up. I've got shit, it's always in constant readiness.

SPEAKER_02

Do you have a gun?

SPEAKER_01

That smile tells me that you do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

You don't have to be shy. How many? Three? Whoa. Four. Five.

SPEAKER_03

This is drama you're creating with these fingers.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

John, how many do you have? I have one gun. You have one? You do have a gun. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

A handgun or a shoddy?

SPEAKER_03

Squirt.

SPEAKER_00

While we're on the subject of guns, right? It is one thing owning a weapon, but it's a whole different thing knowing and understanding how to use it.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And if you do have to use it, what's your situation?

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_00

And most people who end up in a really uh, how would you say, oh shit hits the fan kind of situation, panic takes over.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Most people, panic takes over. So that gun is completely useless to them.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Instead of panic taking over, training should take over.

SPEAKER_00

Training should take over. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

Don't put your finger on the trigger unless you can don't point it at any anything you don't intend to destroy. That's true. What movie did you see that in? It's just gun. It's just gun rules. Two guns. Two guns. That is guns. They start with gun rules.

SPEAKER_05

Finger always out of the trigger.

SPEAKER_02

Do you ever get shot? No.

SPEAKER_05

Have you ever gotten shot?

SPEAKER_02

No. I saw a man get stabbed and die. Whoa. Where? New York? In Brooklyn. Brooklyn Brewery. Oh, whoa. 2002. That's crazy. When I just moved there, or a little bit after. This guy, it was a thing called, remember the Bindlestiff Family Circus?

SPEAKER_04

Bindlestiff Family. No.

SPEAKER_02

It's like early before you probably moved to Brooklyn. But it was like this like thing I thought was cool. It was like a hipster circus. I don't know. Um I don't know if it would hold up with how cool I am now. But anyway, I saw a guy. This guy's got in like a huge, crazy screaming fight, and they were punching each other, and then this guy like took a pause and like reached in, got a knife. I didn't know this at the time, but he like fucking stabbed him. And I was like, why is he punching him like that? I remember thinking, like, he's punching him weird, and he'd stabbed him. And I saw this guy, blood came out of his mouth, and I was like, oh no, this is hospital. Oh no. Like everyone cleared out, and it was like the entire Brooklyn Brewer like cleared out, the fireman came and everything. But he died because I and I found out somebody like I followed randomly on Instagram. I saw a thing of like this guy being like 20 years ago, I witnessed a murder. Oh, and the Brooklyn Brewery. And it's the fucking one I witnessed. Because this guy got into the trial and he was like, I'm I DM'd him. I was like, I saw the same murder. And he was like, I went to trial for two years. Like it was like on and off, you know. And this guy was like, he was like, he was like, it destroyed this guy's life doing it because it was a drug thing. It was so crazy, right? I was like, oh my God, I saw that, but he got picked, I guess, by the cops. Like, I'm glad I wasn't that guy. You know, gang. Oh, hey, free sandwiches. Anyway, go ahead. You're more interesting than me.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know about that. That's pretty cool. I've seen death myself, unfortunately. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. In the military.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Not war related. But like but training. Training. Oh no. Yeah, we there's accidents. Military accidents.

SPEAKER_05

I don't know how to make a joke right now. Sorry about that.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, no. No, but but the thing is, I think. See, your situation, you saw someone like that, right? How do you remember what you felt right then? Or do you, when you think about it, do you remember exactly?

SPEAKER_02

Like it's always time slowed down. Yes. Because I'm good in emergencies. There you go.

SPEAKER_00

I'm like that too.

SPEAKER_02

Aries.

SPEAKER_00

No, I'm a I'm a cancer Leo.

SPEAKER_02

Cancer Leo, okay. I always get along with cancer.

SPEAKER_00

But it's a it's a way the brain takes in. It's the way the brain takes in activity.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It is this is how the human body starts to protect itself. If you are in imminent danger, time slows down at an instant and it allows your brain to collect all the information and be able to hopefully react accordingly. There is one thing that I think a lot of people should be thinking about is our water situation. Like the how it's becoming liquid gold. It's already referred to as liquid gold now because it's the resources are getting less and less, and clean water is getting harder to find.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So that is what we are going to be facing.

SPEAKER_02

I like what they're doing with the AI centers.

SPEAKER_03

Where they're using all that water to filter the water. Yeah, they're filtering water.

SPEAKER_02

But they're processing it, right? They're filtering it. They're filtering it.

SPEAKER_05

And they're but they're what we get in return.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, what we get in return is I make my mom into uh a ghoul. Peter Griffin.

SPEAKER_05

We see what it's like if Peter Griffin was human and a woman and sexy. Yeah. Which is better than that. I mean, water's not better than that. I love it.

SPEAKER_00

Was there something that you learned from your time doing the show with Fallout?

SPEAKER_02

Doing Fallout?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I got to go to Africa, so I learned things from doing that. And then I went on safari there, which was really cool.

SPEAKER_00

Damn, you got to go on a safari. I did.

SPEAKER_02

It sounds like you went on a pretty amazing safari. That's all. It's just yours is longer. Right. Mine was not painful. A lot of bugs.

SPEAKER_00

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

We saw all the animals. It was really great.

SPEAKER_00

That's cool.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Even uh It is quite magical light.

SPEAKER_02

Pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_05

We have a game here today. Do we have a game? This is called Survival Market Suite. We have a situation. First one, that Desert Is Desert Island. Desert Island. And we have these items. We can pick four. Switch two.

SPEAKER_00

A desert island.

SPEAKER_05

Switch but no games.

SPEAKER_00

Like, yeah, but is it is it re is it a switch but no games.

SPEAKER_02

You could you could um uh reflect the the sun off of it. Tarp?

SPEAKER_03

Yes. How about a flare gun?

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_03

No? No flare gun?

SPEAKER_00

No, because you can you can create fire from wood or or or you can make it out on the ground. You know what I mean? You can do rocks on a sand or logs on a sand or you know what I mean? That kind of thing. How about a karaoke machine?

SPEAKER_05

I feel like compass we don't need. Nope. Uh signal mirror, maybe for no. No? Okay. Rod and reel could come in. Paracord?

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Cord and Rod or Reel. Right?

SPEAKER_00

What's your form?

SPEAKER_02

I would do I would do paracord. I would do Firestarter. I would do Good Day, just kidding. I would do You know what? It might have to be saw if there's no knife. Saw. And I would do paracord. Paracord? Firestarter. Saw, rod and reel. I think. How about you?

SPEAKER_00

What about you, Sam?

SPEAKER_05

I think I would do the same thing, but I would swap the rod and reel for the tarp. I would like tarp, saw, paracord, firestarter.

SPEAKER_00

I like what you said. Tarp? Yeah, tarp.

SPEAKER_02

Because it's an automatic shelter?

SPEAKER_00

It's an automatic shelter, but I'm not sure. I can't catch fish with it. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02

You can.

SPEAKER_00

No, but depends. Uh well the thing is.

SPEAKER_05

with a top it is a it is a multi useful piece of equipment right it turns into uh a shelter it turns into a ground sheet it ch turns into you know like uh if it's cold you can wrap yourself up it keeps your you know like a an emergency blanket yeah it it turns into a water catcher right if you're what I mean if if you need I don't do water in the water you can do the whole uh can you desalinize water with a tarp?

SPEAKER_00

No that desalinization is uh an incredibly difficult thing to do.

SPEAKER_05

What's the whole thing with like digging a pit and like you put the salt water in the the pit and you take a tarp and you so that the salt water evaporates and it goes up on the tarp and then comes back down?

SPEAKER_00

It's distilling. Distilling yeah it is a very very super slow process but if it's in a survival situation and that's all you have that's what you have.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

So a drift at sea Oh a drift at sea you want that water filter. Wait a drift at sea on what? What am I on? Whitest kids DVD that's essential.

SPEAKER_05

Whitest kids box that it's available from Shout Shout TV, I'd say no.

SPEAKER_02

Penne pasta carry coffee I'd say no four things Iodine you like the iodine right? Yeah but there's no need for iodine if you're a drift at sea yeah if you're a drift Hey don't come don't even don't jump down my throat here's what I would watch how smart this is I'd get the rod and reel obviously and I would get oh I guess I would need fishing hooks that shouldn't be its own thing but I'll accept that. And then the bandana because you could rip it up into little pieces of bait and then I would get the bandanas bait like fake pieces of bait a lure a fishing lure.

SPEAKER_05

Did we can you catch fish with a bandana?

SPEAKER_00

It's survival mode bro actually no no no yeah it's not a bad idea it's actually C. If you tear it up right and it has a little floaty thing you know you know that's attracting something yeah yeah it's better than nothing is the film or you could just cut off your own finger.

SPEAKER_02

Well you bleed on it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah that's true.

SPEAKER_05

Bring the sharks so I I'm gonna say tarp would still be useful. Yes the rod and reel but you don't have the monofilament do you need the monofilament with the rod and reel?

SPEAKER_02

No that's too many elements that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00

No. Wait what solar still that could that could help you that I want solar still yes a solar the solar still that is your fresh water you put well salt water in that and the sun makes it into steams it into that's it. That's kind of what I was talking about but like a technological So those see those straws there that water filter straw there? Yeah man Okay they they're good if you're not drinking dirty water and and so on.

SPEAKER_02

They're something I th I th I think kill on the amoebas.

SPEAKER_00

They do kill on the amount I've actually drunk from the LA River through one of those straws drunk in uh well greater Los Angeles rivers from those straws with both of you?

SPEAKER_02

You stick the straw in the water and it's a Brita that then you bring it up and it's very convenient.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah and so it works it does work yes it's a great invention but it doesn't but it does it doesn't do anything for salt water. It doesn't do anything for salt water salt water's tough salt water that is the solar still the solar still okay they have new really great products for for salt but you know who the shit is gonna want to be lost in sea I'm telling you I want to be just hooning around the paddock.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah me too snakes dew fire festival fire festival too I want one of those cheese sandwiches. Alright so we have tarp we have jaw rolls nuts IFAC dinner with Jay-Zinner with dinner with Jay-ZiFac it's like a medical kit bad Molly Molly but not good stuff counts as two I'd say dinner with Jay Z is all you need because he could hook you up with a tarp I got a ham radio I got a multi-tool all I need is a multi-tool and Jay-Z we could talk about business not rap this is I have to admit I'm a little dumbfounded by this one.

SPEAKER_00

What the hell is Firefestival?

SPEAKER_02

Okay if you don't know what Firefestival is it's it's it's um it's like a fake some guy was trying to do like a rich kid I guess like Coachella on an island he bought this island out got all these like jet set like Nepo kids to go and like but only like he paid thousand kids of like models and stuff. It's him and Ja Rule was a big investor.

SPEAKER_05

And then he booked all these bands and then and he and he thought it would be cool if it was on um uh uh Escobar right uh oh really Pablo Escobar is so dumb yeah uh he just made every mistake putting a festival together and like stranded people and put their lives in danger essentially shit yeah he did a bad job and like people are suing him I don't know he's well so dinner with Jay-Z is the best you can hope for isn't I think yeah dinner with Jay-Zunno man I think I'd just go the most cancel. Yeah like I don't think Jay-Z showing up at all so right you would have to show up to make that dinner a reality oh not my four all right what's your four Moldotool the Molly Yeah but not good stuff the firearm and the ammo now that you've explained to me Molly counts as two oh it counts as two yeah you don't need the ammo you can just have you could sell that Molly for a plane ticket out of there you could sell the Molly for get for bullets yeah how about a firearm and bullets and you just kill the whatever what is the name Jay-Z no not Jay-Z no one wants to kill Jay-Z uh no one wants to kill anyone I don't want to be liable again um what's going on next yeah I think I would go firearm four times four guns no bullets no bullets who needs them to throw guns at people like here here oh I'm out of here I'm getting out of here I'd be tent MO firearm and I still want to say the Molly but it says two I'd do the good Molly I'd do the ham radio just to pretend I was official I want to get away from there so I'll have to go pitch a tent somewhere else and I'll have my it's bad Molly it'll give you a headache you'd be grinding your jaw was there any alcohol there?

SPEAKER_02

Firefest?

SPEAKER_05

You're gonna I'm thinking no they didn't bring enough yeah they didn't bring enough you could you'd have to drink your iodine tablets I bet you probably something funny would happen if you mix your Molly with the iodine tablets.

SPEAKER_02

There's a something that is labeled bottle that is not a bottle it looks like a a shaker a Parmesan shaker for Mrs.

SPEAKER_05

There's not a bottle my friend you fucking now that we've done that do you think we're survivors me and this guy? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I think him more so yeah I think I'd last a little longer a couple days longer no no no just from what I've heard or whatever and the fact that you even now you have a go bag but I'm more interested what's in it.

SPEAKER_02

You haven't asked me if I have a go bag do you yeah no you don't do you think you're prepared do you think you're prepared have you what are you gonna do when the shit goes down get my go bag I'm gonna go start heading north start heading up the coast uh have your spots you're good you're fine have some spots planted here great just come straight out to my property you'd be good to go okay yeah I'll take you up on it yeah all right we'll go to your property yeah great have a big uh fire fist there huh okay do it yeah fuck yeah Manu love that do you have anything you want to plug no all right John uh watch Fallout season two it's on uh tonight which is December 16th but this might not come out yet probably won't come out till January so thanks for nothing and then um and then um Manu I'm just uh plugging Manu Oh thank you Manu Toygo I know it would be a dream to be on Fallout Yeah I'll see what I can do John does I can't do anything I know would we survive in the the post apocalypse I guess John's making it a couple days more than me but I guess that means something Manu's got it though I mean I guess we're going to Manu she's obviously going to survive longer than us but it's between us you know if shit hits the fan I'll be the first one out of here and everyone's gonna be wondering where'd you go?

SPEAKER_05

Where'd she go? You'll be longer.

SPEAKER_00

I'll be gone.

SPEAKER_05

Damn uh guys we graduated you have now graduated from Sam Brown University. This one's Manu on the top oh thank you John of that so next time you're worried about the shit hitting the fan we worked hard for it we did do it worried we worked hard for this shit work hard and get your go bag together Sam Brown University I want to thank my producers uh Colin Goheen and Jeff I have to go to the bathroom I can't I still uh and my editor Andrew Michelle uh ladies and gentlemen Sam Brown University class dismissed