HONCHO X GLOW : TALES FROM THE JAILS LIVE !!!

Honcho speaks about his time in federal prison and the harsh realities of being arrested and taken away from his family. Glow talks about his state prison sentence and consistent probation violation leading to extensive prison time.

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SPEAKER_01 3:48

Let's get it. Let's get it. Let's get it. I already know what it is. It's Tells from the Jails. We're here live in Parvings. You'll say TNS Media Group is a team and the family. Got my counterpart, Mr. Brahim Jackson, with me. We got some special guests today. Tell them who y'all are. They're from New York, but they're gonna tell y'all what's going on with them, what their names and where they're from, man.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Yeah, it's Hanzo's Hanzo's. I'm from uh Newburgh, New York, South Street.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

It's Glow. You already know your boy Glow Boy. Ayo, yeah. We from South Street, Newburgh, New York. Shout out to Partisan Fog 10, you know, from the same block.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

So, as y'all already know, man, uh tell us from the jails. I don't know if y'all know, but tell us from the jails, we we don't really glorify prison, but what we do is we like to get real live stories from people that serve time in prison um to give their experiences to the youth or anybody out here that want to listen to kind of uh deter them from going to prison. So that's what we do here. But y'all's story is a real unique story. My guy, um Fat Boy, called me. I was talking to someone on the phone. He said, I got some good guys, man, with a real good story. I want to get them on on the podcast. And um he kind of explained to me a little bit about y'all story, but I want to give y'all the opportunity to kind of explain and talk about what went on with y'all and um you know what led y'all to y'all incarceration. Y'all can leave out what y'all want to leave out, y'all can speak about what y'all want to speak about, and we just gonna, you know, have a great episode. So, all right, y'all from Newburgh, New York, and tell us about coming up, what happened, what was going on with y'all. What on like the early days of whatever y'all was doing, talk to us.

SPEAKER_03 5:16

I could explain that basically. Let me break it down. Like, when the the we such of a small town, right? Like, we got so much, so little to look up to, right? Coming from we all coming from the streets and the you know the trends and the feds, like, they sweep, they do crazy sweeps, and it's such a little town. We got buttons what what's uh something like that, yeah. That you know that's our population. Like, so when the feds sweep, they take who's older. So when they take everybody, like they take who older, that basically looking up to that left us that leave us with nothing. Like we be the father figures, you understand what I'm saying? Like when they take away the guidance and the that leave us at a young age, it left us to be the you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, we gotta be the yeah, we we you understand what I'm saying? So we didn't have no really no direction to go. Like it's just us just offer, you understand what I'm saying? The streets was like, mm-hmm. So we ain't really had no guidance, and it just was us taking over. So now it's us leading the younger under us. You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 6:14

So that's a whole generation gone or the older that we looked up to gone, like and like uh like bro, me and bro, we from the same neighborhood. Like, I know him since we was four or five years old. Okay. So it's like me coming up, like it was different. I had to go to school. I was told how to earn my little couple dollars. I might go in the store around, get cigarettes. But it's like I watched my uncles, my older bros, they went to the Fez, you feel what I'm saying? Then when it was time for me to when I got older and I got in the streets, I went to the Fez, you feel me? Like a revolving door. I'm just keep watching it. Like anybody from New York hear about Newburgh, they gonna know from jail. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 6:55

That's what we're trying to change the cycle. Yeah, for sure. Jail, just gel, gel, gel, gel, ja. You might know each other from jail.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

It's like yeah. So let's talk about like what happened. What happened to you know, y'all's stories, what led y'all to going into, you know, uh band of cards? Y'all did Fed time? I did Fed Time. I did state. Okay, so whoever wanna go first, what happens? Uh what happened with you uh going into um, you know, you know, Fed or State? What happened? What was going on?

SPEAKER_03 7:20

Uh yeah, I got you. Yeah, basically, state. Me coming in, coming up, what I basically was breaking it down. Like I ain't have no guidance and no father in and out of jail, you know, doing little programs here and there, cousins in and out of jail. It's the same cycle, so it's like, but that's that's me coming up. So I, you know, I chose that everybody got an option in life, but what I see coming up is when I grew up, I just seen all these things, you know, drug dealing, this, that, that niggas doing what they do, but so I just chose that route, you know. That's the worst route came up selling drugs, you know, doing little robberies hand there, all the bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

Do you really believe now that that was the worst route?

SPEAKER_03 8:02

Or yeah, that was the worst route, but but coming up and not having no guidance is the route that you would have thought that'd been like that's a good route because you see anybody else doing it. That's that's that's that's not what it was, though. For everybody else in the youth that's coming up, I want to uh know that's not what it was. Always take the other tournament route, man. Go go ball up, try to you understand what I'm saying, better your life because the route that y'all want, man, is jail time. Like I did two, I did four, actually. I I had a two flat, I turned the two into a four in the state. You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 8:30

So you turned a two-year bid into a four-year four-year bid.

SPEAKER_03 8:33

And let me tell you how it played out though, because you wouldn't even believe how I played out. It didn't even play for me, just being acting work crazy in jail and all that. Nah, nah, nah, that's not how it played out. I had a terrible parole officer. I had a terrible parole officer. That's how I turned my two into a four. Playing my parole officer, I didn't want to do the nothing. Like, she was basically on, she was like wilding me up because she just used the, you know, the the the the I don't know how looking in the inside looking out is crazy because like I don't know how other people see us. Like when they don't come from where we come from, you understand what I'm saying? So she just thought like everybody is the victim, like everybody's just like she just like the lowest, the lowest, like the lowest. That's how she treated me. I came home.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Caucasian?

SPEAKER_03 9:17

Or okay, Caucasian. Caucasian, typical caucasian.

SPEAKER_02 9:21

Would you say she's doing her job? Because I, you know, I think of that too, and I'll be like, when I sit back and really man up and think they got a job to do.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

That's a good question. I overly did her job.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 9:30

She was abusive with it, though. Okay. Okay, that's why I was trying to get to it. Abusive with it. Right. Abusive.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

I'm talking about like when you get in these positions and get PO's and all that, that's even more of a struggle.

SPEAKER_03 9:40

She's abusing the authority. She abused the authority. That's how you understand what I'm saying. That's how I turned it two to a four.

SPEAKER_02 9:45

So what she gave you, what you call another case, or she just kept adding on, like reinstating your probation.

SPEAKER_03 9:50

She was reinstating it, but I also ended up catching a little putty case that that wasn't about nothing. I ended up beating it. And shout out to my coaties too, because they held it down. And it was all females, they held it down. But yeah, that's yeah, she, yeah, it was crazy. Like, it was crazy. Like, I couldn't really do nothing. Like, I went to look, I wasn't even when I came home, I wasn't even trying to go back the route. I was trying to go, I was trying to get a job. You know what she told me? What she said, yo, you're not getting no job, you're not gonna use that money to get the job, the re up and go get some, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 10:17

But she already got her mind to like this is just what I want to do in my life.

SPEAKER_03 10:21

Like, I'm like, what? Like, if I wanted to do that, you don't know how the streets work. I didn't have to do that.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

So basically, it ain't no help.

SPEAKER_03 10:27

It ain't no help like you need to reach like it was none of that, it was just all bad. Like, it was all bad. She was a terrible person, it was the worst, man. Anybody from New York that knows Rita Flint look once I say the name, they already gonna know.

SPEAKER_02 10:40

Rita Flint, terrible, read the flint all the way out of pocket, bro. All the way out of pocket, trying to keep the way out of pocket wrong, man. For generations over generations, like you see that uh you see that audience, you can go in there with it, and that's the same way over here in our state penal system. You know, you could turn a two-year bid into a four, six-year bid. You know, papers get extended, you be ready to get off there, reinstated, and it's not cool, man. Like just you thinking you going in there with a three-year bid, man. You can turn that into a 10-year bid off of one case and got sentenced for three years, as this man is sitting here trying to inform you all about.

SPEAKER_03 11:13

It's not what they think, man. How they how they how they appear and glamorize all this, back down and all this. It ain't worth it, man.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

So you're saying right near to this point in life, you a believer. I'm a firm believer.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

I'm a firm believer. No, I'm a firm believer. I'm a firm believer.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

Better than me. My situation, I got uh 120 months. I started off with 15, 15 mandatory minimum. I got the Rico, you feel what I'm saying? They backed my whole block. Probably like 13, 15. You was in the feds. I was in the feds, yeah. I was younger, I mean, you know how that is, but you coming up, can't nobody tell me nothing. So it was like, now I believe, you feel what I'm saying? After everything I went through, I got a lost family members, friends, like years out of my life that I can't get back. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 12:01

And I came home to that, though. I came home to that. I came home to my man's, and I'm wanted, feel what I'm saying, be with my man's, and I'm listening to only talking about my state, but I'm coming home. They already in the indictment. They gone. I'm thinking I'm about to come home with my man's, and I'm like, I ain't got no time. What? Bro, I was home for what five months before your indictment or something like that. I don't even got to see my man's in them short period of time before that shot.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

That was your first time in jail, Hunter, when you came in?

SPEAKER_00 12:26

Yeah, that was my first bag.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

To the feds. To the feds. How was that feeling? How was that feeling like when they took because I'm quite sure you probably had a state case first, or I'm just asking, it was a straight federal from the rip. So what was going through your mind to know that you was being charged with a federal case?

SPEAKER_00 12:41

So, like I could talk about it now because it's over. Yeah. Like I kind of knew I was going going to the feds, not to say it like that. Right. Because before it was another block that got indicted, you know what I mean? And like, you know how that shit go there. So I kind of knew already. Like my uncle sent word from the jail. Like, yo, telling my mom, like, yo, tell nothing. Like they own them. So I was chilling, like, you know what I mean? I wasn't really doing too much, but it's like I gotta survive too. Right. So it was like once I got picked up, like I had a phone, I had like a phone call and like a gun jar. But you know how that is, we got a Rico, they start superseding the case three, four times. So it's like adding people to it. It's not a good feeling though. When you doing shit with I'll call my language. Well, you can do it. Yeah, when you doing shit with people, you gotta worry about what they what they gonna do. That's not a good feeling.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

Tell me why. Tell me why I want you to let the audience know why, because they're they be when they be needing to know this. Go ahead and break it down, get into it.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

And then one morning he might he might wake up and he can't do it no more. And what do you do?

SPEAKER_02 13:52

And what do you do when he can't do it no more? What he do?

SPEAKER_00 13:55

He's gonna go tell, you're gonna tell the people everything you know. So, like me, the first the first time they superseded, they said I was a cheerleader. We don't think because I don't I didn't have no criminal history, right? But I got people saying my name, you feel what I'm saying? Right. The second one was like, Yeah, you know this person right here? Like, nah, I never seen something. Slide me another paper. They got messages from this dude saying I did this and that. You feel what I'm saying? So it was like I can't put myself in that position now after just doing all that time, you feel I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

Yeah, let me ask you a question. Um, so I'll start with you now. You you got indicted, right? You uh for the dictating. There was it was like how many people was on on the case?

SPEAKER_00 14:38

It was 14 of us.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

So 14 y'all get indicted. Where were you at when they actually came and got you?

SPEAKER_00 14:42

I was in the crib. I was in the crib. I had I had uh a gunshot, so when they came and got me, they kicked the door, right? Some of my coalies, they got the knock on the door. Yo, is this you? Come on.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

What time was it when they came?

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Like four in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

How was that for you? Like, what was it?

SPEAKER_00 14:58

Would you I ain't even gonna lie, bro? I closed my eyes and try to wake up, bro.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

You thought it was a dream.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

I was dreaming.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

You was a broke.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

I heard the door, I'm like, sound like somebody was trying to break in the crib. I'm like, like, damn, like somebody trying to rob me. Like, they gotta be coming in here to kill me because I ain't super up. You feel me?

SPEAKER_01 15:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

Then when I heard the flashbang, I'm like, I try to close my eyes, like, nah, there's no way this happened.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

Damn, you was in it by yourself?

SPEAKER_00 15:25

Nah, I was in there with my ex. I mean, this is the first time she was in a situation like that.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

At the time, this was your girl, though.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

Yeah, at the time this was my girl. Tore the crib up. Say, and and it's crazy because it's a revolving door. Like, I done seen that happen to my my pops. You know me, right? We're crazy. I was like, damn, I'm going through the same shit.

SPEAKER_01 15:45

So you so you heard coming to the door. Did you hear the that that what's that juice? The flash was it?

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Yeah, yeah, the f the flash man, you know how to say, then I start seeing the lights and all. I'm like, nah, like y'all was in the big sleep. In the bad sleep, four in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Hmm. See, people don't understand, like, you know, like when the when the when the feds and the police uh come for those type of body warrants, they come in when they think you in the deepest of sleep. When everybody, when the house is quiet, they're coming in there. Now, describe me coming outside, because the neighbors probably was right there seeing all that, what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

And at that time, I lit on the block, toilet down the hill. So, like, just coming out, it's a school right there, but it's a lot of like elderly people in a part of South Shit I lived in. But it was like it was an uncomfortable feeling because now the neighbors is looking like, man, you know what I mean? And it's I'll never forget this day because I I I caught myself like catching a flashback driving down the hill. I was going up the hill in the police car. And I already knew, like, once they came, I already knew what it was for. Because they was just saying, like, yeah, you ain't by yourself, your friends are gonna be a reunion. And I strolled right past stores that I grew up playing in front of, going to the stores here, and I was just saying to myself, like, I don't know when the next time I'm gonna see this shit again.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

And and just coming outside, you can't like just give like people like what was the first thing you saw when you came outside? Who did you see? What kind of like caught your attention when you came out the house and handcuffed? I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

I seen I seen my neighbor. It was an older woman. I used to come come home. She might be bringing groceries in the crib. Like, you could like you could probably tell, like, she didn't really have that many family members in the area. So, like, I might see her bringing her bags and I used to help her. So she's looking at me because I had a baby face, I looked young.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

So, you know, she just thinking, like, you know, this a young kid, he he's he's respectful. And I'm coming out with handcuffs with 15 officers. You feel me? Coming to get little old me. I'm 130 pounds at this time. And I just looked at her and she was like shocked, like she couldn't believe, like, like they're coming to get you. Yeah, like they're coming to get him.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

And what did the um what did the um you know the the officer say to you? I know it's like a uh a lead officer who's there when they bring you outside. What did he say to you when he sees you?

SPEAKER_00 17:59

Yeah, he said he said, Yeah, we got him. We we got Fraser. Then he tried to like, yeah, you know the uh the first one to jump on board gets the uh gets the best deal.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

The first one jump on board gets the best deal. Meaning that the first one to tell, yeah, the first one to get up out of there.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Yeah, we ain't even we're gonna take you off the indictment and all that.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

Wow. So uh describe to describe for us if you can't. I'm gonna get you in a second, but can describe to us like get into the district, like what was that like? Like getting down there, like oh or getting down, I'm sorry, I mean getting down to the uh the building federal.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

No, we so like some of my colleagues was already in the state during time, you feel me? So I ain't seen them in a couple years, so you know, some of us is like like damn, son. But like, not to say it like that, like some of my codies, they was happy to see us, you know what I'm saying? Like not wanting us to be in jail, but just like like seeing us. So they playing around, like I mean, thinking this shit a game. One of my code is, he like, man, y'all niggas laughing and shit. This ain't no fucking game. Like, yeah, y'all niggas don't know what, but this was bro second Fedbear, you feel me? Yeah, he was young when he caught his first Fedbear, so like you know, I was just watching him like, damn, this shit is serious, you feel me?

SPEAKER_01 19:15

Y'all like in a bullpen, I'm assuming, everybody, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

They bringing him in. This person coming, yo, yo, everybody, yo, they playing, thinking this shit a game. By like that second, third quarter, niggas was structuring.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

So let's go to you now. Like, you where were you at? When it when the what you did you get arrested somewhere? How did you get booked and what happened?

SPEAKER_03 19:37

Oh, my situation, yeah. My situation kind of crazy, cuz I I got booked for I I had a warrant for drug sales. But in the meaning of that, we got some shit going on. So it's it's smoke in the hood. So I get a call. This this how this is how crazy life works. I get a call, like yo, bro, boom, boom, boom, yo, yo, some shit going on. Scrap up real quick, come out. I got a warrant. I got a warrant for my rush. I come out, scrap up. Did you know you got a warrant? No, I don't. I don't come sit on the porch and shit. Post up. It's that fast. Tech this pull up, yo. I'm trying to get low, but I'm not thinking. He pulls up like, who house is this? I don't know. I'm just saying right here. Oh, yeah, you just saying right there. So he lining me up the whole time. He's 48. He like, yeah, you don't know who houses this, yo. He walk up on me, yeah. Put chains behind your back. I'm like, oh, but I got a coat. I don't got the coat on me. The coat is tucked, and that's shit is in the coat. So, like, yeah, you got a warrant for your rest and shit. Boom.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

And they they took you down. Took me down. And you ain't come home since that, since that day? Nah, I got I got bailed. I bailed out. Oh, you bailed out, okay. Now, what was the charge? What was the charge you was wanted for?

SPEAKER_03 20:56

For um sales. Yeah, for drug sales.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

All right, so so now both of y'all have been arrested, you know, and uh, you know, now you go now. Both of y'all going to court. You you ain't get no bail.

SPEAKER_00 21:09

Nah, nah, nah. They said we say a flight risk and all that. The feds really give you a danger to the community. Yeah, so I was a dangerous community. Like I was a flight risk.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

And the feds, you you always say, young the feds don't they they want they want property. They don't want no money.

SPEAKER_02 21:24

If they do give you a bell, it'd be like, let me get these two houses right here. But it's a collateral, they they only hold it unless you they only take it unless you run. But they don't want no money, they want them houses.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

Yeah, house and it's a different tool not to cut you off. Yeah. Because, you know, my mom, like, all right, tell them uh, tell them you want bail. We're gonna put the money up, whatever you gotta put up.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

So I'm telling my lawyer, like, yo, uh, try to see if I can get bail. Like, you know, I ain't got no criminal history. He like, yo, Fraser, you might as well just don't even waste your time. Yeah, they ain't giving you bail, Fraser.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Damn. Yeah, the feds don't give you bail.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

So listen, even you don't got no criminal history in the feds. No, you're not. No criminal history.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

I had racketeering, I had a 10-year mandatory minimum for the drugs, and I had a five-year minimum for the gun. That was 15.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

So hold on. You so y'all was charged for uh racketeering Rico and all that? Yeah. Wow. And they tell you you can't get a bell. This is your first time really being incarcerated for a while now. How's that for you? Like bitch being in there and uh being around, it's just getting activated to the federal system. What was going through your mind?

SPEAKER_00 22:34

Like, I was fortunate to have like the group of people that I got sent with. I didn't get sent with like my my friends, like from my block. I got sent with like the older bros that was from my block. They a few years older than us. So they was on me. I mean, like checking on me, like just basically like letting me know what's what to expect. Cause you never know what to expect, but like they basically like I got the good I got good men around me, and I mean they're a little mature. So I was like working out, but it was it was it was crazy though, because it's like I can't get no bail, I don't got no record. Nothing like I just can't get no bail, like we ain't even gonna try. He like yo Fraser, like don't even waste your time. So it's like I had to I had to live with that, and I know I was what I was doing, I mean, to get myself in that position, but this is a fucked up when you was pretrial.

SPEAKER_02 23:23

When did you sit at? Over where they take you to MDC book or MCC Manhattan.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

They split it up. It was 14 of us. They couldn't put 14 over.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Okay, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Ain't no way. They split up. So they have all y'all sitting in seven. Seven over here, eight. Now I mean eight go over here. So when they picking it, it was like, I kind of wanted to go with like some of my men, but like looking back now, it was like, ah, I'm glad like they sent you. Yeah, because it was like I grew up, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 23:53

I had to learn how to over and so did you go to trial or did you take a dip?

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Nah, hell no, I ain't go to trial.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

So how long did you sit over there before they came to you with a dip?

SPEAKER_00 24:02

Uh they gave me like they gave me my first offer was 12.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

12 years.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

12 years.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

These people come to you and just tell you, you take the 12, we'll be good with it. Just like that. How old are you at the time?

SPEAKER_00 24:14

I was like 23.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

23 hearing. 12 years sounds like life.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Yeah, yeah, take 12. Uh mandatory 10. So I'm not even gonna lie, they came at me like 11 months in the in the bed. I tell white, I'm like, yo, white, I'm about to take 12, bro. Like, white, like, hell no, nigga. You won't got no felonies, bro. None of them got an offer that I'm in the crib with.

unknown 24:36

None of them.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

None of them got an offer. This is before I got superseded, too. So they looking at me like, bro, ain't got no record. They trying to give him 12, like, I already know they about to, you know what I mean? Like, yo, I can't I can't take that because now I'm gonna set the mark for the case. I take that 12, now they can fuck Frankie, you feel what I'm saying? Yeah, because he a little bit higher than I am. You feel what I'm saying? So I end up waiting it out. Uh my second offer, they gave me 10 years with a mandatory minimum seven, but they they they took the 924 C one eye and made a uh two eye. So I'm like, yo, why y'all want me to take seven for the gun and I'm charged with the possession? They like, nah, they saying they can prove uh you uh discharge the firearm, but they trying to give you a plea before they superseded you. So I called a bluff. I'm thinking they playing. It was uh I took a nap after I worked out. My Cody went on a lawyer visit and he had charged him with like a uh a new charge. You feel me? He was in a he ain't a fighting, he was fighting the death penalty now. But he woke me up like yo, they superseded me, bro. Like, I'm facing a death penalty. I'm like, I thought I was dreaming. I'm like, what? He like, yeah, nigga, they charged you too. So I'm like, what? Like, let me see. I looked at the paper, you know. I'm like, oh, I'm about to beat this. Like, I wasn't there for that. Like, I ain't I don't I don't got nothing to do with me. Like, they charging me with some shit I wasn't on the scene for. Yeah, I didn't call niggas to go through that shit.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

But this is just to show you the feds get crazy and they they crafty, you feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 26:09

Like they they like, nah, they he gonna get 10.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Wow. So they they try to tie you into something you ain't even do.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

Yeah, I had to I had to lay on that because it's like now what I'm gonna do. Tell them, like, nah, I ain't taking it. All right, so go to trial or tell us what you know. So it's like I'm not going to trial, and then they give me 20. My mom's crying. Like, just take it. I'm like, yo, ma did not do this. You feel me?

SPEAKER_01 26:34

And you took so that's crazy, man. Hold on, hold on, hold on. And the the feds pressure you so much with the time. All right, listen, I'm gonna give you this 12, but this right here, if I hit you with this, this, this, this, this, this charge right here, I'm gonna give you 20, 25. Yeah, so take this 12. And you always say all the time, like, yo, this is why the their conviction rate is so high.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

It's more so of cop-outs than it is dudes beating.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

Yeah, taking it all the way going. You really want to go all the way there? Yeah, you want to do that.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

You go all the way to the door if you want to. Yeah, you playing around.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

So you play out, you play out the sign you didn't even do.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

I played out to some shit out. See, if I was there, then it'd be like, yo, I ain't doing nothing. Like, I wasn't even there when it happened. You feel what I'm saying? So my lawyer, like, yo, we can fight this, this, this, this count, but you got pictures, like uh your music videos, you got three, four Cody's in the music video. They can you gonna get you gonna blow to the racketeer and for that alone.

SPEAKER_03 27:35

Guilty by association.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

And what does that charge hold? Raceteering alone, what's it was it hold?

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Like, what, zero to twenty or something like that?

SPEAKER_01 27:41

So now I'm gonna cut you off, but zero to twenty, that means if you get found guilty, you're at the mercy of the judge. And what they do is for those who don't know, they'll go off of your jacket. You ain't have a jacket, but they still can give you anything from zero to twenty, which would probably give you the 12 and then give you something else on top of that.

SPEAKER_00 27:57

For making waste they money, wow. Yeah, so it's like I had to take that. You know what I'm saying? I knew what I was doing, so it's like, alright, like, like they didn't catch me for none of the crimes I did, dude. Like, I maybe it's like, I school, give me a charge.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Wow. So you you in the state, you get home, you fighting your charge, like you fight your charge from the streets, and you end up getting convicted for your charge as well.

SPEAKER_03 28:22

Yeah, I end up getting convicted for my charge. And and the crazy thing is, uh, me and my brother, we was basically like Cody's on some shit, and they end up telling me, like, yo, take your my brother. Got some shit, like, yo, if you cop out, we gonna drop his shit down.

SPEAKER_04 28:38

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

Like, my brother, like, bro, I ain't never been upstairs or nothing. So I'm like, I'm not taking that, bro. I'm about to fight this out, brother. This is this this is um when I'm when I'm when they offer me, though. They offer me like two, they offer me the two flat. They like, he like, bro, take that. You got the sales, and you got a hammer charge. Take that, take that. I'm not taking that, bro. It's a good deal, bro. You ain't I don't know no better, but it is though. It's a crazy deal. I'm like, I'm not taking that.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

It was two years. Oh, yeah. For a gun and some uh some styles.

SPEAKER_03 29:09

Yeah. It was only like one style. And the crazy part about it is the cell, I ain't even, I ain't even like I did it, but it wasn't even for me type shit. Like, it was it was some family shit. I I I know it in the back of my head. Like, I I know it.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Like, if you could talk about it, what was it? Wasn't that?

SPEAKER_03 29:23

Yeah, no, yeah, yeah. I could talk about it because that's it over with. That's like 10 years old.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

I'm just I'm out smoking, I'm with one of my cousins, the female shit, it's her peoples. She like, yo, cuz pass it, pass this. Yeah. And that's how fast that's how I call myself. I know for a fact.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

Wow. Just passing them stuff.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

Just pass just passing her people.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

What was it? Like, what was it? What was it? What's some hard, what's some crack?

SPEAKER_03 29:45

Okay. Like, yo, just pass it too.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

Total bags, ounces, nah, nah, nah.

SPEAKER_03 29:48

It was probably like a 50. It's like 50, 50 worth.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

And and and so the cops arrested you when they just pulled up when after it happened.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

Nah, nah, it don't happen like that. You know, they go through their little process of what they go through. It was a couple months later, because that shit happened.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

Like, they were CIs, the guy you served? Yeah, yeah, they pulled the couple of things. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah. Okay, that's what that now we get into it. So they they these boys you served the 52 with CIs. Yeah, they built the case against you.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

For those that don't know what CI means, it means confidential informant. Yeah, it's all right.

SPEAKER_03 30:17

Not even my own peoples, though. Mind you, I'm doing my own thing, not even my own peoples.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

And these young guys, like regular dudes like like us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They they regular, yeah, they regular motherfuckers. That's just they just out there getting people booked. So, what happened when you went to trial? Like, like, what was that for you like?

SPEAKER_03 30:32

Oh, no, I I didn't go to trial. I was just I was fighting it for a little bit. My little legal aid at this time, I had a legal aid. Because I really didn't have no money at this time like that. Yeah, I had a little legal aid, and so we just going back and forth. But she was terrible though. She was she was misleading me from the job.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

So a legal aid and our first not to cut you off is what a court appointed. Yeah, okay. We call that a PD up there. PD. Pop defender. Hydro, you had a PD too. Terrible.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Yeah, they you know the fans is like they give you a lawyer. They give you a nice lawyer, too. Nice lawyer, though.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

They give you nice ones. I'm talking about uh firm lawyers, because that's how they pay their taxes. They gotta take something for uh pro bono.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

But he he was one of them, like you could tell he was with the with the prosecutor, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was with the prosecutor.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

Because that's who paid him, the uh the DA. I mean, the uh the D the district attorney office pays the PDs.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Yeah, okay. All right, so now you go to trial. You or not the trial, where you you you in there, you in the fed and you decided I'm taking this deal. The deal was how much again?

SPEAKER_00 31:30

It was uh it was like 10 years, 11 months. So she took 11 months off the simple fact that I didn't have no record. So she's like, Yeah, I think 120 months is good for you, Fraser. I'm looking at this lady like 120 months.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

So you had to go count, you had to go like he always said, you gotta go back to the to the cell start adding that up in the yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

Yeah, because they don't tell you like, yo, we're gonna give you 10 years. Like, my I I get a visit because I leave from from there, go back to the jail. My people is down there, my mother and father. Yeah, they arguing on the visit. Like, he tell her you got six years, she don't know what she's talking about.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

She didn't know he know what it was. He knows what the hell he was talking about.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

He didn't know what he was talking about. M love like I told you, yeah, because they tell you uh 120 months, they don't say we're gonna give you 10 years. So I'm like, nah, I got 10. He like, damn man. Dang, yeah. So he like oh, like you know what I mean? Hold your hat, like oh, yeah, did you cry?

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Let's just be honest. You get we went back to the cell. Did you did you cry?

SPEAKER_00 32:31

Nah, I ain't I didn't I ain't cry, bro. You did nah. I I I think like the I cried when I was about to come home. I ain't gonna lie. I cried when I was about to come home. Probably like a couple days I was in the shower.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

That cry is different from getting sentenced cry though. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

That's a relief cry. That's a relief. The one you talking about.

SPEAKER_01 32:48

But how did you how did you cope with the actual the pain like of uh of of being sentenced to that 120 months? What did you what was your mind state? Like, what were you thinking about? Like, damn, hold up.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

Like, I I was thinking about my my people, you feel me? Cause I got a I gotta I come from a good core of uh people, you feel what I'm saying? So like my mom is like she she worked mad hard to try to like you know what I mean keep keep up with us, make sure we good, my pops are doing time, you feel me? So I let her like I'm like, damn, when I turned around, she like she dropped that too. I'm like, damn, son.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

How many siblings you got?

SPEAKER_00 33:23

I got two older brothers, and I got one older sister, and I got three little sisters.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

So so your mom sat there and watched you get sentenced, and she was like, What was that first conversation with her like after you got sentenced? What was that conversation like?

SPEAKER_00 33:43

Respect my mom, though. My mom, she she she she a rider, you know what I'm saying? But she basically told me like, yo, learn from this. Like, yo, learn from this. Like, don't look at it as like your life is over. Yeah. Get out of here, don't look back. So it's like I came home and I just been moving around. I mean, I'm blessed.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

Now you went to you you went to trial. I mean, I'm sorry, you you fought yours.

SPEAKER_03 34:07

Yeah. And you lost. Well, I I tried, yeah, I lost. I had a terrible, I had a terrible.

SPEAKER_01 34:11

What would the what would you uh end up doing? How much time?

SPEAKER_03 34:14

Uh I got two, but I ended up doing four. Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 34:17

Because because of your PO, like you said.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

Yeah, because of the P.O. situation. And and it and it's like some it's it's it's a little crash out with my situation, but it wasn't a crash. I didn't see it as a crash out, like, like, like, listen to the youth, man. Don't don't go the route that I went because I didn't see it as now when I think about it like as a crash out situation, like I could have just been like, you know what, let me just let her abuse me, let her abuse me. But I didn't want to do that, so I turned that situation to a force. Like, how much could a person take?

SPEAKER_01 34:43

But all right, let's now let's let's talk about going upstate now, man. You know, like I know because in New York, or where y'all was from, you leave the actual local, federal, or state, whatever, or county journal, whatever you at. Describe for me your first time like getting upstate. What did you go first?

SPEAKER_03 35:00

My first spot, I landed in Mohawk. Yeah, I met I met a couple solid people. And um, shout out to Fab too. I um my my friend ended up, that's Fab brother Paul King. Okay. His right-hand man, Ralphie. Shouts out to my boy Ralph. That's my bro. We ended up locking in. We ended up going up north together through the little process, and then we end up getting in a spot together and we become became best friends. But yeah, that was terrible. Like, you know, people, I really didn't have much guidance because I wasn't really with too many people. But yeah, you know how it'd be like trash out situations over the phone. Yeah, the phone gets messy, the phone, man. Listen, man, it ain't what it is. You heard it ain't it ain't glitching glamour, man. The phone gets messy, people want to play the phone all day, man. Listen, it's it's it's terrible. Police pope. Yeah, that's the worst thing. I ain't gonna lie, you you know when you first like psychologically you watch movies and all that, you think it's immates. It's never the Mates. We ain't never gotta worry about no Mates. It's the police you gotta worry about. White voice, cornbread, big husky. On time, they want you heard they're on time. They don't care who on time, they'll tell you what to do. You don't want another man telling you what to do all in your face. They'll come in your locker, they'll eat your snacks, you heard you shaking your stuff.

SPEAKER_02 36:17

Yeah, they got to eat your snacks with like like like chicken because they'll put a signal over your door when you can't see them chicken in your stuff. So they're done eating honey buns and all that.

SPEAKER_03 36:25

And they eat your honey buns that your family worked hard to get through. And if you're fortunate enough to have family that's taking care of you or your girl taking care of you, shout out to whoever you understand what I'm saying, if you got that support system, shouts out to the support system because you always need support system. If you don't have a support system in the system, it gets treacherous, bro. It's really retired. Yeah, yeah. If they see you don't got that support system, they take advantage of that, man.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

Wow. So now I guess Hunch, you you you get upstate, right? Oh, yeah, you're yeah, you get to the feds. Well, you well, you so because the feds go you go upstate too in the feds. You don't go upstate. The feds upstate is just a word for upstate.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

We're going upstate, man. See you to West Virginia if they want. Where'd you go? Where'd you go first? I went to Fort Dick. So like when I I went from Viala, I went to Brooklyn. He sent me to Brooklyn to go to transit because I was transit, you feel what I'm saying? So I landed with uh Wildman, you feel me? So no, that's like the first, my first. Yeah, so he, you know, he let me know how the crib is. So he like, yo, you might need, like, you know what I mean? You might need a joint, you know, like it be getting messy. I'm like, bro, I'm about to go to Fort Dicks, bro. Like, this is a spot that I heard about when I was fighting my case. I'm chiming it up with older guys that this they second, third, fab bit. They like, yo, on the East Coast, you want to go to Fort Dicks. So when I got my paper, that's what Diddy are, right?

SPEAKER_01 37:54

Yeah, that's what Diddy was at.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

Yeah, I just left it with him and shit.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Oh, you was there with Diddy when you was there? Yeah, yeah. Oh, you just got you fresh out.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

Yeah, I just got home um two months ago.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

Yeah, I'm fresh on, yeah, yeah. Just got off of uh the halfway house like two days ago.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

All right, so you get the four dicks, right? You get there. Um they say four, he always talks about how four dicks when you get there, it's like they tell you, like, listen, listen, you it's like party time.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a fact. Yeah, it is like that. But like, I like I had like some good dudes in the crib I was in, you feel me? Like I was telling him, like, we know a mutual person, TY, he from Philly. So like they was in the room, like we shared a room with Philly. And like the good, I had good men around me. So when I got there, they ain't let me just run and do everything I wanted to do. The person who had the car was cool with my bro from my block.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

Tell them tell them what you mean by the head, the car, because a lot of people with the audience don't know what a car is.

SPEAKER_00 38:53

Spidey was the head of the car where we was at, you feel what I'm saying? And what's the head? What was your car? New York. Okay. Like all New York ran together. No matter where you from, you from New York. Um PA had a car too. Philly had a car and shit like that. So like Sin and Spidey was cool, so that was the crib I went to. But Sin was on his way out, so he like, yo, my old hand, let him know it for me. Like, family. So that's why I was like, like, you know what I mean? Running with a couple of bros from Yonkers too. But they was young too, they was like two, two, three uh years older than me. Cause I knew like a mutual friend with them for me to go into town and shit. We had cell phones. So, like they had the same charges as me and all, like, they had a racketeer, but they like 29, they got nine in on this shit. You feel me? I'm fresh in on my on my shit. But like, they came from mediums. Damn, so like certain shit I had to fake learn. I mean, I was learning as I go, like little shit I do. Like, I might drag the chair. Like, yo, bro, I mean, lift the chair up, but I mean that.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

Yo, that's crazy. I you never you never said that. You never mentioned that. Dragging the chair. Yeah, but I forgot it was coming up though.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's so much stuff to talk about. You drag that chair if you want to, you better know how to fight. Yeah, because like you waking up like you.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

Fighting your case, yeah. You just like you just you you doing time, you feel what I'm saying? But when I got to the feds, it's like I'm in a 12 man, so I I I can fuck somebody else's bed up, you feel what I'm saying? So it's like I gotta be mindful of the next man. So, like once I was kind of like like it showed me the way, like, yo, always be mindful to the so I just been living like that ever since, you feel me?

SPEAKER_02 40:33

Like, would you say you bought some of them treats home with you?

SPEAKER_00 40:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. It's it's it's chess, not checkers, and I mean the Fez is more like mental, you feel what I'm saying? The state is like my bros that's in the state, they like they just gonna go. Fez is more like logical, like so it's like those habits that I got now when I'm when I'm coming home, like alright. If I do this, like he doing this, but he didn't spit on me, he didn't disrespect me, he might have stepped on my shoe. Like it got me mad, but me saying something to him can lead into a bigger thing. Is that worth anything? Like, nah, it ain't worth nothing. So, like, just certain shit I picked up from it made me a better person coming out, you feel me? But it all is with like who the people you around, you feel me? Like, you got good men around you that got that time in. Like, I think TY did like what, like 19?

SPEAKER_02 41:28

Yeah, TY did 19. Spidey had a lot of people. What TY business my elbow TY? Not that one other TY that came to uh wrestle one at that time we was down there.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

Oh yeah, shout out, oh yo yeah, up from Uptown.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Shout out to TY.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

Why why number why I be you know he making kind of like when I called my case? You was in around Superman drug. Spidey had like 24, 25 in. These are the people I'm around. These are dudes you're around. Yeah, these are dudes I'm around. You feel me? So like they took a liking to me how I move. I wasn't really like loud and like I'm I'm Milly, you feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 41:59

But what happens with to the ones that is loud from your dollars and what you see? I'm quite sure you've seen it.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

Yeah, yeah. What when it's time when you get in this situation and and they like yo, such and such did some bullshit. We might be cool with you, but job two is waiting for them to do some dumb shit. Because now they want to see that shit now.

SPEAKER_02 42:16

Yeah, yeah. Let me see.

SPEAKER_00 42:17

Yeah, now we want to see that shit. We gonna DP you now, you know what I mean? Yeah, now they're looking for the foul now. Like, yeah, Fort Dix is a good jail, but it's it is no cameras in there. It's dangerous, it's one of the most dangerous jails. So a lot of a lot of shit they had try to stop it before it get there. Because I done seen some shit in there, yeah. Like being in there, they had to try to stop it before it gets too big. You feel me?

SPEAKER_01 42:40

Yeah, so now yeah, both y'all in in in the uh one one of the state, one of the feds, right? Let's talk about these women, man. I mean, you know, uh being in jail. Y'all had a girl, anybody had a girl when they went in, like you know what I mean. I'm quite sure the one he said his ex. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

When he got locked up, that she was with you when you went in.

SPEAKER_00 42:59

Yeah, she was with me when I went in.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

What happened, man, when you went in there? What happened?

SPEAKER_00 43:03

Yo, yo, nah, nah. I ain't gonna lie, right? Yo, yeah, yeah, yo, I ain't gonna say that. You know what I'm talking about. But nah, for real, some Jesus, though, like the person I was with when I went in, I ain't gonna lie, though, she made sure I was good, bro. Like, like, like my Cody's was jacking up because she came and every I was on a visit every week. Like, I was like, she made sure she had money on the phone, like when I was fighting my case, because we had to our people had to pay for that shit for me. So like I respect her, like still to this day, like I respect her. She did that shit for like a couple years with me and shit like that. But I had two how many years? Like two, like two and a half, yeah. Like once I got little stretch. Yeah, now I was cool.

SPEAKER_02 43:42

I was like, well, I was spoiled.

SPEAKER_00 43:44

I'm talking about to the point where I'm like, yo, oh uh my Cody, babe mom, she's acting like she don't gotta ride. Like, go pick her up. You feel me? So now we know she's coming because I'm I'm going down every every trip. So if she don't want to come, now you know what it is. My my the girl I'm dealing with, she gonna go pick them up, bring them, drop y'all off, you feel what I'm saying? So I but when I got to the Fez, it was like, you know, that time starts going by. She young, you feel me? So it was like How old was she? She probably was like 25. At that time. At that time, like something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

You got two and a half out of her? That's it. Yeah, that's good. That's good. That's a bad news. So let me ask you. I gotta ask you, I didn't knew it was over. What happened?

SPEAKER_00 44:31

What happened? What happened? What happened? I'm gonna keep it a snack though. All the way a snack, please. Alright, I'm young in the fence and I'm going uh uh you know I'm in fourth dick, so I'm on the phone and shit like that. So how that shit is bro, I'm getting caught up on shit. They they they had a page like exposing niggas for having mad pictures and shit like that, like oh you feel me? They had me on that shit. So it was mad shit that was going on, you feel me? Like I'm I wasn't perfect anyway when I was home, you feel me? Like, so it's like I'm young, I got time, like it's inevitable, you feel me? But that shit fake was was a messy situation because it's like damn, you feel me? But it's like I'm around niggas who they like, nah bro, that shit happened to me, you feel me? And bro, like nah, that shit happened to me. They bro like nah, that shit happened to me. So I'm like, damn, I don't feel that bad.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

If you ain't like popular, you ain't popping, you ain't got nothing going on, then ain't gonna once you once you get your little in the hood and you try to come up, you try, you know, you be a you'll fit, you'll face you around you. They want to throw all your business on there. Oh, such and such doing this, such as such doing that, you're gonna be able to do that. Like, come on, like so.

SPEAKER_01 45:42

Hold on, hold on. When she decided that she was done after the two and a half years, what happened? How did it feel, man? How did you find it?

SPEAKER_02 45:50

So, would you call one day she told you I'm done? Or what happened? How what we want to know, we want you to let the audience know the meaty part, all that for nothing going around there, you know how to go, man. Big to be done off. But you woke up and called one day, and that shit was no rap.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

Nah, but like for me, I was doing too much though, bro. I was in I was in jail with a cell phone, so I was doing too much, bro. You feel me? So, yeah, she basically told me, like, yo, I can't do it no more. You feel me? Stop answering the phone and shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 46:20

She stopped answering the cell phone.

SPEAKER_00 46:21

Yeah, she stopped answering the phone. Like, like I used to go call any any day out the for me. I could call, she's gonna pick right up. So now I'm calling, she ain't answering. I'm calling Glow, like, yo, fuck my brother.

SPEAKER_01 46:37

You know a little shit when I'm trying to hurt you. Did you cry, man? Did you cry, man?

SPEAKER_00 46:41

Nah, nah, you feel no. Don't please the fellow. Nah, I ain't crying on that shit hurt though.

SPEAKER_02 46:49

Yeah, it's like yeah, I cried. I cried a couple of times about mine. I'm gonna be bulling no plane. I'm bull because I'm crying a river, just to tibulakin this bitch. Crying good as a mother. Man, look.

SPEAKER_00 47:02

That shit hurt though. I ain't gonna lie, though. That shit hurt though.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

That's probably one of the worst hurts in the world, man. It ain't never emotion like that. You can't breathe.

SPEAKER_03 47:11

I don't even prepare.

SPEAKER_02 47:15

How can you compare it?

SPEAKER_03 47:17

I'm cutting everything off. I don't even like I'm not even trying to do it.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

So the thing happened to you. You was you was you was good.

SPEAKER_03 47:27

I ain't gonna lie. I'm I'm cutting everything off. I'm not, I wasn't even calling the bros, nobody. I've cut everything off. I'm one of them that just focus on the you heard. I'm in the edit, that's what it is, man. So nigga, if they if somebody reached out, then they reach out other than that, go through my family, like you heard that's that's because when you got a good family, honestly, you heard when you got a good family, you really ain't gotta everything was dead.

SPEAKER_02 47:48

I ain't gonna lie, when when that happened to me and shit like that, like like how long how long was it before you really stopped trying to contact her, like all right, she she off of me? Because you ain't stopped that day.

SPEAKER_00 47:59

I'm talking about days because I'm gonna because I'm I'm used to her saying, like, yo, she done and all that, and then she come back. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, so oh yeah, we yeah. So after a while, it's like uh yeah, so now it's like uh I gonna lie, though.

SPEAKER_03 48:10

This go around I ain't I ain't my I ain't I ain't I ain't gonna even do that. My baby girl, I need my baby girl though. You're gonna just go around here, my baby girl. We ain't even got it, but but we need even gonna take it there, but no, we need to we need this go around. I'm looking at you like you break it. I was like, go around. What you mean?

SPEAKER_02 48:28

I was breaking far away from that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go back at all under no circumstances.

SPEAKER_01 48:35

So so so hancho, like these uh um she said I'm done, started answering the phone. How long how long was you calling her? Like, like what was the what was the what was it was six months, a year before you gave up.

SPEAKER_00 48:47

See, I was fake for like I said, I was fortunate because I was in four dicks though. You feel me? Yeah, so I called for like a couple couple months though. Don't get fucked up. I'll definitely be calling her, but it was like I now let me see. Yeah, yeah, that was that's a different type of hurt. Yeah, that's a different type of receiving it. Yeah, that's different.

SPEAKER_02 49:10

See, you can wean off of when you got the cell phone, you can make little calls, say little things when you want.

SPEAKER_00 49:17

You sturdy, but you ain't when you going off that 15-minute click and all that, you only got 15 minutes to to uh to please your case, your case.

SPEAKER_02 49:27

That's what I would say.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Please your case put your pitch, like you pitching it while she should stay for the next day. She might wake up the next day, like, man, this this shit hot. I gotta get hit. Edit it. It's a lot going on.

SPEAKER_03 49:39

It's a lot going on right now.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

I gotta so now I mean outside of dealing with that type of hurt, you know what I mean? What was what was the and y'all have any other losses like while y'all was in there?

SPEAKER_00 49:49

Family members, like you know, I mean, I lost my my great-grandmother in there. I lost both of my great grandmothers in there, you feel what I'm saying? That type of shit, you don't really you don't look you don't look that far when you in the presence and you the shit I was doing. I mean, like when I was in the streets, like in the presence and you the shit I was doing. I mean, like when I was in the streets, like I wasn't thinking about my family, like I was just like selfish when I reflect on it, you feel what I'm saying? Because it's like I did all that time and I came home and I lost family members, like I no longer had friends, you feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 50:23

So we lost not none of your girl, you lost, you know, you lost more significant people than you had close to you. You know, so though those situations sometimes can make or break you a little bit because and I'm pretty sure y'all seen people who um went through these trials and tribulations, and then after they had it, they weren't the same no more. They wasn't the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it messed with you mentally. Yeah, it mess it's hard on the street, so I can imagine being incarcerated. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

Yeah, I see situations like that. I cried though. I cried. I I probably didn't do it in front of everybody, but like that shit hurt.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

I mean, I was about to say I I lost my grandma when I was in state too, but I I actually got to go to the funeral. Oh wow. Yeah, you know they let you go to the funeral and state. They they they'll they'll they'll grant an election.

SPEAKER_01 51:10

How was that? Like, I are are you are how what when did you get there? Like what is it before everybody get? How did how's that work?

SPEAKER_03 51:15

No, I I got I got some people only get to go to the it's certain things like some people get to go to wait, some people actually get to go. I actually went to the funeral, so I actually got to sit down in the funeral with my family.

SPEAKER_02 51:24

Oh while you was incarcerated, why?

SPEAKER_03 51:26

Oh, you you you the first person we actually had up here with my greens on in my grandma's funeral.

SPEAKER_02 51:31

So how did how was how did that process work?

SPEAKER_03 51:33

Exactly. Um they gotta kind the people gotta contact the facility and let them know.

SPEAKER_02 51:39

And they and they said, Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 51:40

See you because you was in the state, yeah, state, yeah, in the state, and they granted it.

SPEAKER_02 51:44

So how they go about it? Would they take you there early in the morning?

SPEAKER_03 51:47

Yeah, yeah. That but that's what I be saying though. Some people get to go to the wake and they and they I heard a lot of people be like, oh, they'll separate you, they don't let you get to your family and all that. But I actually got to be with my family, sit down with my family. Yeah, but you didn't stay cuffed up. Yeah, I'm cuffed up. I'm cuffed up, yeah. I'm cuffed up. I got to sit down with my family, be in the middle of my family. But I I this this is the key, the key though. I didn't feel it. I didn't feel it. My grandma, I loved my grandma, my grandma spoiled me. I loved my grandma, spoiled me. I didn't feel it. I didn't feel the pain, I didn't feel anything. I just felt freedom. I just felt freedom. Just to be outside that slip. A breath of fresh air.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

That overruled the feeling of my grandma.

SPEAKER_01 52:30

I didn't even get to grieve my grandma. Wow. What was everybody what was everybody saying, see, when they saw you? Like, how did you walk into the funeral room? What you walking handcuffed? Handcuffed, but it was love. It was it was love. So they was hugging you and touching you and all that? Yeah, and the cops wasn't like, no, back up.

SPEAKER_03 52:45

No, they did, they'll go. And my family wasn't rowdy enough, so they'll just it was like and is these like COs or is it like COs?

SPEAKER_01 52:55

COs. Oh wow, Caucasian, African American? Caucasian. And they just and they just walked you in there, yeah, and they stood back by the door. So you in case you now let you sit there.

SPEAKER_02 53:04

They just let you sit there the whole time or a certain amount of time.

SPEAKER_03 53:07

I sat through the whole funeral.

SPEAKER_02 53:08

Yeah, yeah. I sat through the yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_01 53:11

Now, describe first like because you know, certain funerals they allow you to walk past the casket and look at the casket. Did you have did you want you allowed to do that as well or no?

SPEAKER_03 53:18

I I nah, I didn't get to get to really bend over. Yeah, I just sat down with my family. I got a little full view. My grandma didn't get to stand over. But I don't think I would have honestly, and if they would have let me, I probably wouldn't want to date it. Cause I wouldn't want that to be my last impression of my grandma. Like grandson looking down on me, shackled. Like, you understand what I'm saying? It was just it's awkward. Everything is awkward. Like, I didn't want to. My grandma, like my last time seeing my grandma, like this is Lisa. I understand what I'm saying. I didn't come on, like, I ain't my grandma. She loved me too much to see me. It's like damn.

SPEAKER_01 53:55

Wow. So they got you uh ankles and ankles and wrists, ankles and wrists, shack, shack, ankles and wrist.

SPEAKER_03 54:00

They ain't they ain't cut no corners on that ankles and wrist. Plus, I'm with my family, you know. At any given time, family could get riled up or anything, but they didn't. Everybody was respectfully. Everybody was respectful. And and uh, it's also crazy though, because I think they actually let me my family give me food. Let me let me eat. We have let me eat.

SPEAKER_01 54:19

Wow, and so that you eat food and everything? They let me eat food that my family brought me.

SPEAKER_00 54:24

Yeah, they do that in the state, they let the state.

SPEAKER_01 54:27

Because we hear a lot here in our city, man. People be like, it's a wrap.

SPEAKER_02 54:34

You might be, you might, you not even go to the funeral. They're gonna drag their process so long the funeral and pay some win three times already.

SPEAKER_01 54:42

Yeah, they don't want here, it'd be it'd be it'd be a little rough. Now, um, now let's let's let's get back to so our back shoot. So after the funeral, you walk out, got some food, you walking out. How's that for you leaving?

SPEAKER_03 54:54

Leaving is when it hit you. Getting back in that van. Gotta get that job mentality back. That's all. You gotta get that job mentality back. Cause you know, it's state, state is state is crazy. I don't you can't listen, man. Them them police in there, they'll kill you, man. They'll kill you, man. So you gotta get that mentality back on, man. I don't see my first week in there, somebody died in my wall. Police killed me. Yeah, so I ain't in there. I ain't you, I'm like, somebody died. Police killed somebody in in the jail. In the jail. Police killed me. So I'm like, my mentality, I'm like, what's going on here? So you I had to put that mentality on leaving the funeral. I'm just like, man, I just want to just make it back home, man. Out of these cups, that's all I want to think about. And then and then let me tell you when I went home the first time though, fresh as hell, family, fresh as hell. Fresh as hell going home. I ain't think end up catching a violation down the line from parole. Parole violating me, send me back. After this is what I learned though. I said, I need to fill it. You know what? I need to fill it. Yeah, family. Nobody come get me. Let me get on this trailway, bust with my little ticket, put my little stake so I could fill it, and just know that this is not what you want to do no more. I don't need to come back yet. I need to fill it.

SPEAKER_01 56:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:14

None of that. So I had to fill it the last time. Like, I ain't this is not what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_02 56:18

The question is, did you feel it though?

SPEAKER_03 56:20

Yeah, absolutely. That's why I made sure I felt it. Everything stated down on nothing, nothing from my family, no rides from my family, trailways with everybody else that ain't, you understand what I'm saying? I ain't fortunate enough to have a family and support. I just I needed to fill it. I need to sit on that trailway. Because you know, they it's regular people on the trailways too, along with the people that just came home from the state. So now they'll just be looking at you with your state clothes on. They know you just came home and they looking at you a little different. So I was like, Yeah, I need I needed that feeling to let me know. I ain't coming back here. Yeah, I ain't coming back in this joint. I ain't it's this is not for me.

SPEAKER_01 56:55

Let's get now. Who both y'all have been, you know, the state won in the feds. What was the most ruthless or most vicious thing y'all seen happening there? That had you like, whoa, I ain't this drink crazy. Like, whoa, what what happened to you? Like, what was the most craziest thing you seen?

SPEAKER_00 57:09

I ain't gonna lie, bro. I seen so much shit, but the cra I seen so much shit though, but like the craziest shit I seen was I think T was just talking about that shit with the lock, the lock in the sock. Yeah, he always talked about that all the time. That was something that happened in our room. We all was in the room together. That was the craziest shit I seen. Because like a lock in the sock, like this man had was cracked. Like to the white me, like head crack. Literally, yeah, like they came and got me like, yo, your homie, one of my homies from Brooklyn, mad humble walking around up and down the hallway listening to his music. Oh head from Jersey just came, he drink, he drink when he in our room, you know what I mean? Came, he got his P dub and all that. So you know we like all right, you know what I mean, embrace him. Ah, he got his drink, oh we about to get some liquor from Hobbies. Uh one of the bros from Philly, matter of fact, that was in the room. Like, now I got O had with me. Oh, we'll get the cigarettes, oh I'm gonna get all the liquor. So he's having a good time, drinking drinking and all that. Bro from Philly playing with my homie, but they Haitian, so they got their own. So yeah, they got their own bond. Like, you know, they from two different states, and we cool, and we live and he lived, he was in the New York on the cross, but they got their own bone because they both Haitian. So he playing with bro, he like, yo, come on, bro, stop playing, man. I'm trying to read. He was reading or something like that. So he was reading like, man, I'm reading, come on, bro. You drunk. Oh had act like he was trying to size him up or something. So bro, like what's up with you? Who the fuck is this nigga? Like, so all had to start. I'm me, what you mean? I'm like that. We broke it up, like yo chill. Oh hey, come on, you saucy. Come over here, come on, get in the room. Telling my homie, like, yo, relax, bro. I got him. He going off. I'm like that. I'm good on the ground, I'm good standing up. He talking all this big check my PSR, check my PSR. Like, he must have had like some shit in his jacket. So we like, ah, all right, yo, lay down, lay down.

SPEAKER_02 59:12

He all up that juice.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

Last time he tried to go out the dorm on the phone, he tried to walk and do I stop him. I said, all right, don't not go out there, bro. Lay down, you too drunk. You know what I mean? Because he was in jail thinking, like, man, I drink, telling my homies, like, man, that shit ain't nothing, man. I do this in the street. Uh that white lightning, I shouldn't have to do it. Yeah, that's pure alcohol to his fine. Like, that shit is not no joke. He guzzling bottles. I don't, I, I, I don't forgot about all head. He done slipped out the room.

SPEAKER_02 59:42

When you say something to my homie, that's how it always goes.

SPEAKER_00 59:45

They like, you hear the screeching, we run out there like a horror movie. I'm talking about like blood everywhere, like like a yo, bro. That was a lot of blood, bro. I just hit the corner, I'll never forget that shit. I just hit the corner, I see all head like this. Like, he ain't had to do me like that. I seen his head, my homie, like, nigga, I told you, nigga. I told you. I looked at that nigga head, I'm like, nah, son. I'm like, nah, ain't no way. They coming in here, and when they come for situations like that, they gonna come like nah that shit. They come like 10 D compound come on. Body search. Body search. So now I'm like, yo, give me all the joints. Like, we gotta put the phones up, you feel me? Cause I know they coming. Nigga head was crazy, bro. And we was gonna let him stay after that, cause uh we his homies and shit hollered at him and shit, you feel me? We put some AD ointment on his shit. That shit looked crazy, though. Put the uh Koofy on his head for you to make it through count and all that, you feel me? So we like yo, no, we think O had gonna jack it. Like, yeah, oh head, man, cause his homies like yo, he we told him I ain't know that though. They they came and got him and told him to chill. He still went in again and broke crack and shit. So I'm like, I'm telling uh T, I'm like, yo, nah, Ohead, go this shot, gave him the Koofy. He gonna be good for uh counting all that, you feel me? T like, yo, Ohead ain't jacking that dog. Like OH OH got a roll. Like Ohe had down here talking about give him a knife and all that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:13

Oh yo, he still took him up. Yeah, he tried.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:17

Yeah, he he he he he he fucked him up, but he oh head's trying to get get back. I didn't know that. Yeah, he went down with his homies down there and shit. So he's like, nah, oh head got a roll. He ended up checking OH in, you feel me? That was the craziest shit I see. I seen niggas get stabbed and all that, because they got real knobs, but it's like you know what it what a knife is gonna do, you feel what I'm saying? I I I slept on that uh lock in the sock, don't you feel me? You a believer now, yeah. Nah, that lock and the sock different.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

So, what you telling me is if you had an altercation with a person, right? This is just hypothetically speaking, and you and him, y'all squash it or whatever, left it alone, you watching TV, whatever, unbeknownst to you, he's creeping up behind you. And he was gonna get you because you ain't paying attention. Yeah, what would you rather him use? The knife or that lock and sock? Shh.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:07

I don't know. I ain't gonna lie, because niggas be having bullshit knobs too. Yeah, yeah. So, but that lock and the sock on on your head, bro. You had to see this dude's head though, bro. Like yo, my yourself on your head.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:22

You had to see his head that joint can hit anywhere on your shoulder, anywhere. It is going that joint a knock you, man. That joint breaking bones, bro. That it's a metal ball inside of a swinging, and you can round it. What you won't even know you got hit with it. You turn around and be like, What's going on? It'd just stop everything, and you you'll turn around like why everybody looking around. You just got cracked. That joint just stops everything, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:46

You all had head was crazy, bro. Like took him out.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:49

But you like when you looked at him, was you like, dang, because I ran around the corner.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:53

So I'm like, I'm thinking I already know they had the fake situation. You feel me?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:56

You think you can hurry up and break it up or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

I hollered at my homie, like, yo, he just came, he's drunk, bro. Like, I got him. You feel me? Like, because bro just came, you feel me? My homie just came and said, So I'm like, Oh, let him know, like, yo, he could. So when I heard the screeching and I hit the corner, I see oh head. Oh head looked at me like he ain't had to do me like that. Yo, he had to be yo, his head was bro. We use so this I know it was crap. We use so much and d ointment. My man for yo cracking it. I'm like, yo, bro, that's too much and d me and him start arguing. He like, hunch, look at his fucking head. I'm like, yo, that's too much and the ointment. Or they end up getting old hat out of there, though. Oh he had was fucked up though. I think he uh he he had like a uh like a fracture, like I forgot what it's called, like under his eye.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:43

Oh, that that lock is different, bro. That lock is hard, it's harder than any fist that mankind have. Yeah, and all mankind fists together ain't hard as that lock. Yeah, that lock in the stock. If your fist ain't made of metal, ain't no fist dealing with it. Man, can you? I'm talking about, and then it's flying through the air. A baby can smack you with a lock in the sock and it'll do something to you, man. So imagine a grown man propelling it towards you with all his might. And it's a dog stand, it ain't no loud, it's a poop. You know, like damn, somebody just got what the hell is that? It's a it's a it's a it's a it's it's like a thudding sound. Yeah, a bitch is thudding sound though. And whoever that landed on don't know his name that day. You don't, I'm talking about that joint to jog your whole memory, bro. You be sitting there trying to get back from that joint, you don't even know you in jail no more. But we better go to McDonald's, right? Like McDonald's, what up with? Ain't no McDonald's ahead, nigga. Go to Chow. Nigga talking about Chaho. How I get in here? He he been in nine years already. How I get in here? Man, that lock is a boy. That joint is boy, we we call that the have mercy on him.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:50

All right, what about you though? What was the what was the craziest thing you seen up in there?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:53

I seen a little bit of anything, uh I seen, you know. The craziest thing I probably seen was the homies beefing with the patia. Oh no, that's that's like a Dominican New York. I don't know if it's Patia up there. That's like a New York Dominican. You call it Nietzsche, I think the yeah, yeah. I seen, I seen, I seen, I seen. Because you know, we get physical irons in the state. Like an iron cloak? Yeah, you get you get an iron, you go get an iron. We get that in the feds also. Oh, you get that in the feds though? Yeah, we get about two irons when everybody I seen, I seen, I seen, I seen somebody go advanced. Iron A.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:33

I ain't seen that one yet. And busted, put it on somebody.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:36

Yeah, punch, yeah. Bum. Yeah, so I ain't see that in the punch the pot, yeah. The homies in the spinach, they was beefing.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:45

With an iron.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:45

With an iron. Most I just seen done with an iron is some grilled cheese. Iron pronoun iron put sizzling dust.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:52

Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:54

Yeah, that's terrible. Yeah, that's terrible. Yeah, but but I ain't gonna lie, but this this really be the craziest thing that nick. You you they a person with other don't own things though. The craziest things I ever seen I used to catch on was was the COs. Oh, when a sex offender coming there, oh they let they let you go hand, especially if they don't like them. They'll yo'm about the y'all do what y'all want, though. But I wasn't with that because I'm like, man, I'm not police ain't telling me. But you got you got dudes that'd be like, that's right. You wanna let us they'll punish them. You gotta go out, pack, pack up. You might have got the phone. Yeah, girl, tell them some bullshit. Man at the world. Yeah, they'll punish them. And that used to be crazy to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:36

I'm like, but that's how it is all over with them chumos, them child molesters. The COs will get out the way of that.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:42

CEOs will let you let the no type of.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:44

But they'll come lock you up if they found out you did something to it because they're just their job. But they'll turn their blind eye to it. I ain't I just seen him come up bloody. I don't know who did it. So they basically giving you a pass to kick their ass.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:57

Wow. So, you know, like jail, man. You know, uh, if y'all could, man, um, express the uh the importance of uh of support, like having that, having just somebody to support you while you in there and answer the phone, send you some comments here, whatever. How important is that is having support while y'all in there?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:13

That's important. That's that's the that's the key thing up there, because I feel like that's who the police target, the people that don't have family and don't have support. I feel like they feel like they could do anything to you. Do anything to you. That's just for me seeing that and experiencing that. I feel like you don't got support, you don't got family, you're not getting no visits, you're not getting no phone calls, you're not getting no packages, you're not yeah, I feel like they yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:33

You you be needing that support system though, because you know, even with support systems, you'll you'll feel like you'll feel forgotten. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:41

Even with it, like you said.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:47

I'm second guessing myself, and it's crazy because when I I one of my men said I came home and shit, uh uh my man sleeping shit, and we was shopping up and shit, and I said that shit to him, he like, yo, that's crazy, bro. Uh like you know what I mean. Like I felt that same the same way, like second guessing yourself, you know what I'm saying? But when you he was home at the time, he told me like yo, yeah, like when I when I got out and shit, like it was back to reality, like that ain't my life, you feel what I'm saying? Like some shit I'm doing through temporary, you know what I'm saying? Be needing that support system to get through them days, cause every day ain't gonna be the same.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:22

It ain't gonna be the same, man. Waking up in there is different every day. It is different, especially when you ain't got somebody that's in your life. You can sit down and read and be like, I got support out there, I'ma crash out. I ain't got support out there, like nobody cares about me. Ain't nothing going on for me. I'm gonna just crash out in here like I've been crashing out here. That's the I ain't gonna be.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:40

Would you say upon getting released from prison, the descent tack too, in order for a release convicted to be a law-abiding citizen? Yeah, do you think a support system is intimate to that?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:54

It's 50-50. It's 50-50. Because you got some people now that ain't lean, don't have nothing, and know that I gotta come home and I gotta get on my HSAP, I gotta get on my ground, I gotta get on my nitty-gritty because I have nothing. I'm coming home to nothing. I seen a lot of people start from scratch, bro. Have nothing, no family support, no nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:08

And but start from scratch the right way or get back in the streets.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:12

No, no, no, the right way. Oh, yeah? Coming home with no support, you don't have nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:17

Like what you say is harder. Would it be harder than having the food?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:21

No, it's harder because now you gotta play the system. You know, the system they'll give you the runaround, they'll give you the runaround. The system you'll come home, food stamps and all that. They make it hard. They make it hard, but then they got the they got the you understand what I'm saying, they got the the the the immigrants and all that. That's again more assistance than the than the U.S. citizens. You feel what I'm saying? So it's harder, especially when we're coming from jail. People honestly need that. Like coming home from jail with nothing. Everybody just did this time. People mentally, jail, listen, listen, to the youth or to the youngest. Jail mentally and physically break you. I don't care. Anybody that did real time that tell you never came back the same. Never. We never came back the same. Jail, what? Come on, man. It did, it did, it did it do a number on everybody. I ain't even gonna you who can't sit here, bro. Can't sit here anybody that did real time and be like, nah, they ain't doing it there's something to all of us. It did something to all of us, and that's the system now. We want to break that.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:12

Would you say is a good thing it did to or is a bad thing?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:16

I mean, it's half and half. I'll say half and half because we know we signed up for, but you gotta be built for it. You gotta be built for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:25

Is it more so mental or physical? From your standpoint, both.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:28

It's mental and physical. It's mental and physical. It'll take a toll on you. It'll take a toll on you.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:33

It was like more mental. Like I know, like, all right, I got 10 years, but like I'm gonna get through this ten years. Like, and I got like you say, you got the support system. So you know, coming home and like I've been home two months, like I done this shit, and you know what I mean? More than people that was out here four or five years in two months, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:53

Like, no, I wanna I wanna rewind a little bit and ask you about because you said you cried, but it was at the end of your bed when you was getting released. Why? Why was that cry? Why was that cry? It was why did you cry, ready to get released?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:03

Nah, it was the excitement, like you know, I'm just thinking about my family for real. Like, you know, all the other shit is cool, like the social media, shit, like popularity, all that shit is cool. Welcome on, all that shit is cool, but it's like I got my grandmother, I'm on FaceTime with her, my grandmother looking different. Uh my mom coming to see me, my mom looking different, bro. Like Tom, you feel what I'm saying? I got nephews I've never seen before. They showing them on the camera, like you showing Uncle, he's looking like who the f was this man running from the camera. So it's like I had like two days left. Took a shot, it was that excitement. You feel me? Because I caught a I caught a phone shot with like 15 days left.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:42

They ain't take your good time?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:43

Dead day. It took a whole they took a year, uh a year halfway house.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:47

I was mad at him about that phone.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:52

Two months and a lot of phones, eight days halfway house. So I lost like 10 months halfway house.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:56

Oh, so you didn't make your date then?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:58

Nah, I ain't make my day.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:59

Oh, so you your date was coming up and they got pushed back further. They took the good time and everything. 40 days good time and me get that.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:06

I needed that though. I ain't gonna lie, like not to say it like that. I needed that because yeah, I knew I know exactly the way you say I'm fake spoiled. I I got the phone. Once you get it, so you I'm ranting up. So once I get a couple dollars, it's like knocking kind of like sustain my bay. For me, like, yeah, I still I'd be like, yo, Glow, send uh send 100 over there for me. I'm I'm doing me. But that last year was like, I'm like, yo, Glow, yo, send uh send send a hundred and shit. I'm gonna um rent phone boy. Nah, man, get off the phone, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:37

Look, glow, look, glow ain't answering. I'm tired. You already look, you know that I was gonna hit look. We was all look, bro, no, we was all talking about that. Look, we ain't gotta talk behind your back. No more. We can say it in your face. I was tired. Like, oh my bro, got man. Listen, bro. Got on that phone. We ain't man, we broke it. Come on, man. Listen, man, we ain't done. We broke out wanna be on that phone, like leaving with that phone, man. We ain't answering bro in or none of that. We try to give him tough love. I hope, I hope you seen that though. We're just trying to give him tough love. Like, bro, when it you already got lost time and all that. We waiting for you to get out of here because we got we got you hurt. We got stuff we gotta do, bro. We gotta do. You push him top back. We waiting on him to come on, and he just playing with the phone, so we just gotta go.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:14

So you got to get that tough love. Let me ask you a question, Joe. Um, how long did you do all together in the feds? All together before you released it?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:22

I did eight years, seven months.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:24

Eight, that's a long time, man. That's a long time. That's a long time. So was you nervous upon getting like that day, like that night, that night going to sleep, knowing that they was coming to get you tomorrow morning. That last night sleeping in there. What was did you could you get to sleep?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:37

Nah, I couldn't sleep.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:38

Why?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:39

The anxiety. Like knew I was going home. So you ain't sleep that night. I didn't sleep out that draw. I ain't sleep at all. I tried to I listen to the music because I uh Silly for Sally's probably sleeping all that. Yeah, yeah, to the point where like I I was in the TV room like four or five in the like three, four in the morning. You feel me? A couple of bros, they probably got up to smoke cigarettes or whatever. They see me in there, they know I'm leaving the next day. So they like, yo, what up, bro? Like, you can't sleep, right? I'm like, nah, bro, I can't sleep, bro. You know, they they it happy, it's a good feeling, like when somebody that you've been with go on. You feel me? Right. So they was excited for me. Like, exactly. I already know, bro. I was like that on my to the point where like they went and got a couple people. Like, yo, get up real quick. You feel me? Like, yo, bro, yeah, we in the city room. Next thing you know, it's like six of us in the city room. We bed. So now that the out a couple hours just went by for me, right? Yeah, it went by. Now they like yo, Fraser, pack up. I'm ready already.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:33

Yeah, you ain't been to sleep.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:34

Yeah, I already said my goodbyes and all that, yo.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:37

Soon I hear that, yo, Fraser. I'm right up there. Yo, your mouth. Yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:42

I don't think nobody could could sleep though. When it's when they know it is because I ain't sleep. Yeah, I don't think I don't think nobody could sleep. Anxiety, bro. Anxiety.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:52

That day before I came home, I can remember that. I don't I don't think I'll I'll never forget that day. That's uh that's gonna be burned in my brain forever. The day before I came home, I was up. I'm talking about, I'm trying to make myself go to sleep. And it wasn't happening. I'm just like thinking, I'm just so much stuff running through my mind. I'm thinking about the chick that played me. Man was up. I'm thinking about you know what I want to do with my life now, because I don't want to come back to this. I'm thinking about so much stuff. I'm like, it just and and that alone didn't even let me go to sleep. I'm like, man, I'm trying to get myself to sleep. I'm staying up all day, I'm working out all day. So when it did get nightfall, I'll give you tired. I mean, that thing seemed like it charged me up even more.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:34

So you man, also you I'm gonna go back. You did say you saw you saw a puff in there. Uh no, yeah, I saw a puff. How is Puff holding up in there? What was he?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:41

Was he was he puff puff chilling? Puff chilling. That's the new york car.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:45

So y'all was in the same car, weren't y'all?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't I ain't gonna I ain't gonna lie, he pulled up like yo, where the where the homies at and all that you feel me. Oh, you was there before he got there? Yeah, I was there before. I was there before. You know, he just caught his case. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I did almost say he was on east side or west side. He came and said, you know, he was sitting at the table. You know, I got mad people coming. Like, oh Diddy go diddy trying to shake his hand. You got bro got 12 in on a uh uh a 25-year bed, you feel me? He's big miserable for real, yeah. Or you you got mad people just by the table and all that, like yo, bro. Y'all niggas gotta move from right here, bro. Like, you feel me?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:23

So he like diddy security guard.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:25

Nah, not even like Diddy Security Guard, just niggas was you know, I mean, it's Diddy, like like Diddy's really in jail, you feel me? Like, so it was like you know, people was coming from you know other states, and you know the same thing up to him and all that, but you we in the childhood, you got we we we we argue with each other over the over the stage, like yeah. Bro, mate, oh yeah for me, but he chilling and shit, working out. So he was in the drug program and all that.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:52

So he was helping the uh was he was looking out for the guys or was it because you know a lot of times he always says somebody can get how much money can you get on your books in there? How do you get a hundred thousand dollars on his books? Was he looking out for the whole car?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:03

Or no, he was just that see I when he came, I was on my way out. So like my mom wasn't really on on jail, you feel me? Like, yeah, you know, I'm I I I I met him and all that, but it was like as far as like the the politics and all that, I fake fell back from that because I probably had like a month left.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:21

Yeah, you trying to buy it.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:22

Yeah, my mom I was in the town, you feel me? Like, I was in the town, like I I met him like yo, this is the homie that I oh yeah, Newberg. And I might see him in the gym, like with the homies and shit. You know what I mean? Because he was with some of the guys, you feel me? So I go over there, piece the men right there, whatever, bro. You know what I'm saying? But he he he he he he he he holding up though. He's holding up.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:43

I mean is it true he really coming home in April? I seen something about him coming home this year, April.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:49

That I don't know. I know he was in the drug program and they take time off of that. Yeah, but I don't know how much time he got, like, like uh left and all that. Like I don't know, but I know he was in the drug program for for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:02

All right, let's talk about y'all now. You you you was you was waiting for the um, you know, well you got you got your your release date. Now what was the first thing y'all did when y'all came home? What was the first thing y'all did? What did y'all do?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:14

First, first thing I'm uh see my like uh like you know the bros they wanted to come get me, like and all that, but I'm like nah, I gotta, I gotta, I wanna see my mama love me. My father. Not even my siblings, you know. I wanna see people, yeah, that people put me here, you know what I'm saying? So they came and got me, we we ate and all that. Went to uh American Dream More. That was it was weird though, cause I'm seeing people with their phone, they got their hat down, like you know where we coming from, like you walking and all that, you gotta be mindful, like who you just can't just like the respect was a little different. Like it was like a little weird, like I was kind of nervous, like I'm like, I'm turning, and this person is out of pocket walking. So it was like a whole different world. Like how everything was from what I just left, and like coming back to the real world, it's like damn, like people just moving how they just move. Like they don't they not mindful like uh me when they walk me. They like this on their phone, you feel me? We can walk right straight into each other. I gotta I'm turning to the side, you feel me? I told my mom, like oh my, I ain't gonna lie, it's a little swear, like like all these people, so many people like nah, you good, relax.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:25

I want you to hold that thought for a second, stay right there where you at. Is the respect level in jail and on the street the same?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:32

Nah, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:33

Which one has the most?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:34

Jail, for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:36

Cause that goes back to I wanted to piggyback off of what you were saying just now, how people was in jail. You be like, whoa, that that's a slight towards man.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:44

Like you checking for, like, you doing that, like I'm walking through and you act like you don't want to move and you know it's tight in it. You checking for yeah, something going like now. I know something is going on with you. Either you got a problem with me, or you might have had a bad phone. Exactly, yeah. And that could be dangerous too, cause you doing that, and I got my own shit going on. So now it's like it's an issue popped up. Now you like, damn, what the fuck are them niggas about to go out there? Like they need to talk, but it'd be like the but the respect level is different in jail, like 100% sure. Like you come in the room, like niggas ain't really doing too much yelling in the room and bro sleeping for me. Glow come in the room yelling, like I might glow my homie. Yo, Glow. Yo, bro, go to sleep, like somebody telling you what to do. It's like exactly respecting, like I might not know. Like I did the chair thing, I didn't know. Like I'm just moving my chair, moving around like broken, like come here. So now I know, like now I'm watching the young boys come and do it. I'm like, oh come here, buddy. Like, yo, men and all that.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:55

No, you know, each one teach one. So like everybody's like, it just keeps it going.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:59

Yeah, but in the street is lawless because it's like ain't nobody uh trying to really tell the young boys what to do and all that. And and I was there too. I was a young boy, so it's like I'm looking at somebody pre like bro, bro. Like, I'm telling y'all, bro. Y'all can go to the feds, like me. I'm like, I ain't trying to listen to bro like that. That's what I'm on, you feel me? Oh time, he really seen that before it happened. He really seemed that before it happened, he really said that shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:27

So what about you? When you came home, what'd you do? The first thing you did.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:33

Remember back, let me back um what I was saying though. I caught violations, so turning a two to a four. I don't know if let me explain that further more. I came home two years, two flat, I came home, then I caught another year, then another year. You understand what I'm saying? It wasn't I just didn't do a whole four flat, like turn a two and just do the whole. Yeah, so you're going back and back. Yeah, I'm in and out, I'm in and out, I'm in and out, boom, boom, in and out. So it was a it was like a different reaction every time. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:00

So you was home, but you went back home, went back.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:03

So it took you a minute to really uh gather yourself. Yeah, and it was a different reaction every time because now it's just like you're gonna be. If they don't know my story, then they'll just be like, oh, you just another one of those that just gonna be doing this jail shit. You heard you're just gonna be hopping. You just use, oh he, yeah, uh he one of those that ain't gonna stay home, he just gonna keep hopping. And also it was a different reaction. That's why the last one I had to make sure I felt it. Like the last one was my max out when I said I came home, stayed down. I was I was done. No parole, no having to worry about nobody chaperoning over me. So you understand what I'm saying? I had to just make sure I felt that.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:36

Let me ask y'all a question. How y'all feel about taking calls, man? We got we could probably get a few people to call and y'all can answer some questions in the audience. All right, no, but um now let me ask you all this question. Do y'all see yourself going back? Nah, nah, nah, nah.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:49

That's why I said I had to feel it, though. I had to really feel it. I had to take that long ride from up north down here to know how to fill it.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:57

Yeah, so yeah, you're gonna take some calls, man, if people want to call in. And shout out to uh uh B Bates 215 for becoming a member. We really appreciate that. So take some calls, man. Y'all know the number, uh 215-316-4492. Y'all wanna holler at the guys, ask them some questions, uh 215-215-316-4492 is the number. Now, y'all said, man, I ain't I ain't I'm not trying to go back. Um, what are some of the the um I'll say some of the parameters or or do's and don'ts that you think can help you stay free?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:30

People, places, and things, places and things like uh surrounding yourself. Because I still be with my guys, but it's like we gonna be over there. But you gotta separate yourself.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:41

Our circle, our circle is like you understand what I'm saying. He he broke, broke, bro, come home, so he knows he wants to set himself around the guys. Everybody right here, level headed. We all you can see, as you can see, we all level headed. We want the same thing. We want to make sure everybody is.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:54

Yeah, I see y'all coming in the sprinter van. Yeah, everybody we trying to.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:58

Yeah, I can't, I can't came together. Like, yeah, I can't, I can't be on the corner with Lord Brown. Like, I'm with, I'm with, I'd rather, I'm with my DJ. We moving around, I'm meeting different people, I'm doing different things. You feel what I'm saying? I'm I'm I'm I'm veteran myself, I'm networking.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:15

Yeah, so what uh what y'all what am I saying? Yeah, I'm I'm assuming. So what do y'all do? Like, what's your like profession now that y'all? What y'all doing now?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:22

People who don't know. We make music. Uh my name SS Honchos. Body Glow. Body Glow for me. Like, I'm an artist.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:29

So you got the single out right now. Yeah, top spills. Top spellers, click that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could vlog that, Adam, do that. We got the mixtape coming soon. The spillers. That's that's gonna be dropping soon. We're gonna put that together for y'all for the summer. We're gonna have something for the summer. Set us up, yeah. Big shout out to Fat Boy. Big shout out to Father.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:45

That's my guy. It's my bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:46

Um, shout out to Killer G, too. That's all that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:48

Yeah, shout out to Killer G, too. That's my DJ for me. She's been keeping me out of trouble. I've been out two two months, so like a lot of stuff is happening fast for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:57

Yeah, is the bill paid?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:59

Yeah, it's all good.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:01

You sure? Because you know you've been nobody calling, yeah. You know how you do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:08

Shouts out, shouts out the big bro too, make sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:10

No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to uh my part of part of Saint Fontaine. That's that's my bro too for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:16

Yeah, everybody know him as Magnistallion X, but we don't we don't look at him as a that's all me and that's our guy. We ain't like oh Mag X. No, no, no, no. Yeah, that's our bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:26

Yeah, if y'all want to talk to you know, Glow and y'all want the Honcho, man, uh call in 215-316-4492. That's 215-316-4492. Yeah, he said it's the bill paid.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:40

He says the bill. It better be paid.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:45

Yeah, man. But you know, either way, man, we thank y'all for uh you know for coming up here because we understand, you know, uh sometimes uh people need outlets to get their stories out. Sometimes uh conversations can be therapeutic. Absolutely, and we all not trying to go to jail. I mean, everybody in here is trying to stay free.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:00

I will feel this this this great energy, great environment. I like I love everything y'all got going on, man. I appreciate that. This is dope. This is dope, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:09

Yeah, everybody trying to stay free, everybody trying to, you know, uh, you know, ain't nobody um ain't nobody trying to go back to jail because everybody understands that when you go to prison, it puts a a pause on you on your on your life. On the life, yeah, you know what I mean? And it's like you can't get that time back. Listen, that time is you can never replace that time once it's gone.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:30

Listen, for real. What he's saying is real, for real, man. To the youth, man. Listen, pick up a book, get a job, man. There's nothing wrong with working, man. It's nothing wrong. I don't know why, like, you understand what I'm saying? What be so hard, man? Productive.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:45

Yeah, I'm about to say it'd be like it'd be the job. So I know it's for me. Like, I'll be like, if I I'll be realistic, like I'm not trying to be working at McDonald's. I mean, like, it's money now.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:56

It's always been a uh a grind at legitness, and you can go out there and do it. But the way it is now is so many platforms for things that you can do and make some real money. Yeah, and get you some real money as long as you apply yourself. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I'm looking at it like this. I apply myself to carry them guns and selling all that dope. This easier, yeah. This way, and I'm gonna make I'm gonna make way more money. What I'm gonna get off of this, the streets couldn't offer me. And I ain't gotta worry about going to jail, ain't nobody gonna know what's going on. I ain't gotta worry about being in front of the wrong company to where's though, a person wanna rob me. Not to say a person won't want, but where's though if I'm out there getting money and I'm you know I'm selling them things crazy? They're like, I'm on black ass.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:43

You know what I'm saying? Shout out to uh to D Thing215, not on duty, but shout out to you, man, uh, for becoming a member. Um, yeah, man. So where can people find y'all at, man? Where can they reach out to y'all? Where can they, you know, uh, you know, interact with y'all?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:57

Uh, you can follow me on Instagram underscore. Honcho's uh underscore H O N C H O S Sap in with me. S S Honcho is on all platforms. Tower spellers, I just dropped that.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:13

You can catch me on Facebook, Bodie, glow. Or you can catch me on Instagram. Call underscore me underscore sports.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:23

Yeah, man. So yeah, and y'all know y'all can follow us, man. We on all platforms as well. Tell us from the Jels on Instagram, uh, uh, TikTok. You know, listen to us on um y'all can check this out this uh episode, it'll be on uh of course on YouTube, and then also it'll be available on um Apple Podcast, uh, iHeartRadio, uh Spotify, all platforms. We we'll uh be able to check this out. Then also um I want to say this uh to everybody who's uh been checking in and and reaching out to us. We appreciate the support, man, for sure, man. And I thank y'all for coming all the way from New York, man, to come up here and talk to us, man. It's a pleasure. Because how long is that right? Because y'all y'all can y'all upstate and a little further up than what is like two two two and a half hours.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:03

We like what 40 minutes from the Bronx or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 40 minutes for me. It depends on the profit, on the traffic. No traffic is straight flow through, yeah. 40, 40 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:10

Oh, 40 minutes to Philly. No, no, no, from Bronx. Yeah, how long to y'all to get to Philly? Two and a half or something. Yeah, that's nice, nice little run, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:18

Nah, but that's why we had to get comfortable. We had to get that sprint, we had to spread some legs now. I ain't gonna lie, we had a long night last night, too. So last night we went out with fat boy and shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:26

Yeah, and now um, y'all got any message y'all wanna give to people that's out here watching and anything y'all want to say before y'all go?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:32

Yeah, uh like like you say, everybody gonna glorify when you first come home, you feel what I'm saying? Like, like people see me, they see what I'm doing and shit like that. They watch me on social media, they like, oh bro, let's like they don't know what I went what I was going through, you feel I'm saying, like don't get caught up in the hype with this street shit, you feel what I'm saying? Like, shit, not the way, you feel what I'm saying? Shit, it's a revolving door. Nine times out of ten, beef them over some shit that ain't even about nothing. That don't got nothing to do with you. That's exactly what's going on. I just went through that shit. You feel me? Shit ain't got nothing to do with me, but it's like I like this when I'm on that, uh like lying loyalty type shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:10

What about you, Clover?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:11

Yeah, the same thing though, but you you see what's going on with that jail's from the tells. Listen, we telling y'all, so y'all can feel it. Listen, y'all understand what we're going through. You can feel the pain before y'all even put yourself or y'all family through the headaches that we went through. We telling y'all now, man. It ain't jail ain't jail ain't for nobody, man. It's not it. Listen, man. Pick up a book, find a hobby or something to do productive. Find something productive to do with yourself, man. Because jail ain't it, man. Listen, man, don't go that route, man. If you don't have to take that route, man, don't go that route, man. I wouldn't recommend out nobody.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:42

It's cool to it's cool to do something different. Like, it's never too late to do something different. Like you're gonna be hustling today, and tomorrow you might be like, yo, you know what? I'm gonna apply to trade school. Like, it's never too late. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:56

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I want to thank everybody from tuning in, man. And these guys, man, y'all heard their story, man. And it's uh, you know, from two different, you know, oppressive situations. One is in the both of them is jail, one is in the state, and one is in the feds. You don't want to go to either one. So I want to thank everybody who's been tuning in. Uh, everybody who's been supporting us. I want to thank y'all once again for coming up here and chilling with us on the couch. Appreciate y'all. I want to say that y'all's story matters, man. You know, everybody's story is the same but different when you're behind that wall. Uh, the experiences are the same, but have a little bit of a different twist. But I thank y'all once again for coming up here. Appreciate y'all, man. And y'all are welcome to come back anytime and chill with us when it's couch. Anything y'all got y'all got going on, we're gonna support y'all a thousand percent. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Thank everybody who's been tuning in, everybody who watched, man. Today, we was always over uh maybe 200 plus people that was checking in today. Um, you know, short notice. But I think everybody uh who was uh watching today, and everybody's gonna be listening over the next week or so, however long you check it, checking this out.