THE EFFECTS OF PRISON ON PARENTS: TALES FROM THE JAILS LIVE!!!

Tales From The Jails host speak about how prison effects the parents of the youth who choose a life of crime. Parents are left to be responsible with all lawyer  and commissary fees because of the reckless nature of our children.

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SPEAKER_04 2:11

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SPEAKER_03 2:44

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SPEAKER_04 2:55

As you can see by the Tells from the Gels, third time is a charm. I want to think everybody who was sticking around with us, but y'all already know it's Tells from the Gels. We're here live in Paris. You will say TNS meeting agreement with the team and the family. Come on, counterpart, Mrs. Braheem Jackson. Once again, I know we did this about three times already. Um I gotta give the uh disclaimer that Tells from the Gels does not promote nor glorify prison in any way, shape, form, or fashion. We have stories up here, or people spreading their stories up here, telling stories, real life stories, real life conversation about prison to ultimately deter individuals from going to prison. Got my county department, Mr. Brahim Jackson.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

And and not and just to piggyback off what you say, because you know I want to be all the way thorough with the uh family, man. It's not just about the inside of the penal system that we like to, you know, bring the awareness to you guys about, but we're talking about things outside of that that can get you to the penal system as far as, you know, poverty upbringing. Not to say that these excuses, but these are real facts that dudes go through that land them in prison. Foster care, you know, being taken from the parents. And these are talks outside of prison also that we bringing to you at an alarming rate, man, because these are all Lego pieces that build this one congramate which we're always talking about, and that's jail.

SPEAKER_04 4:15

Mm-hmm. So um what we're talking about before we uh was ruling interrupted before. I want to thank everybody for sticking around as well. Shout out to everybody 22 on 5 Nitro, uh Nate, uh the G3590, MVP Leak 1, everybody that's here, John Michael. What's up, my guy? And um, but before we was uh ruly interrupted by um whatever was going on here in our studio, we were talking about um the effects of uh their children going to prison, the effects that that has on the parents. And we were speaking about how, you know, a lot of times it's the mother who sticks around and goes through so much, you know, to kind of support her child who's in prison. She's sending money, she's traveling up on visits, she's uh, you know, neglecting her responsibilities to make sure you got a lawyer. She's taking her savings to get you a lawyer. She's uh more so maybe even putting her house up sometimes to get you out of jail or to try to secure your freedom. And uh these things ultimately uh lead to the parents being affected in so many ways, depression, you know, sometimes, you know, well, financially, mentally, physically, all these things affect the parents. So for y'all kids out there, y'all young adults out here, if you're out here breaking a law, you should know what you know what you should know what you should do? You should, before you go out here and make a decision to break a law, understand that the jail can be attached to that. So start saving your money, or whatever you're gonna do, have your money in place so that when you go to jail, you're not relying on mom or dad or somebody else out here to kind of take it. Or the friends that's gonna leave. Yeah, or anybody. If you choose to make a decision to go to jail, to go to prison, you have to understand that that's your decision. Nobody else should be had to be tied to that. You know, and me personally, I be tied to the to the point of where as though I be helping people in jail.

SPEAKER_03 6:06

But for me, you know. But yeah, but I want you to give them a little bit more intricate knowledge than that. I want them to give them, I want you to give them a little bit of how you may be sometimes. Because I've seen you shut down a couple times, like, man. I am in today, not because of you trying to ignore, because me speaking from a ex-convict, you know, when you got somebody that's sending you money and all that all the time, you'll lean on that. Me, I lean on that. Like I might have just talked to you Monday and needed a little bean, and I'm right back at you Wednesday and need another 75. You know what I'm saying? Until I'm told no or slow down. You know, people will lean, but how does that make one feel? Because I've never been on this side of the fence. You know, I didn't set the little fews and twos, but you done did it for years on in. And still doing it to this day in this eight big age you at. How like do you do you want to quit sometimes? But I mean, I'm done, man.

SPEAKER_04 6:55

No, I'm actually done. I think that um right now I got my brother in jail. I think he this is the last straw for me. I didn't send so much money to the prison systems, I done sent so much money to lawyers, and you know, I sit back, we we interview lawyers, and I look at the lawyers that we that we that we taught that we have paid over the years, and their families are the kids is going through college and they have big houses and nice cars, and we have been, you know, uh sucked dry, not on duty. We've been we have been our finances have been poured into these homes and these, you know, because people we want to break law. So for me, and I don't really care how nobody we really feel, I think that right now, my guys, right now, we too old to be going to jail. So, what you mean that you're done? What you mean I don't understand. Like, I'm not saying I'm I'm not I think bro was the less it. Did anybody else go to jail after this?

SPEAKER_03 7:45

I don't think I believe that though. Okay, I'm not sure. And I'm not and I and I'm thinking, because I know bro too, that's my bro too. But I think if, you know. I think I'm done.

SPEAKER_04 7:52

Honestly, I'm I'm I'm serious because I was sitting back thinking about it because I look at, you know, because once once you become a business owner, you look at you look at look at your taxes, you look at how you spend money and so forth and so on, and then you start looking at how much dead money, because when it's dead money, you're paying dead money. You can't you gotta try to figure out where money is going. So this money is you gotta pay taxes on. It's not like you in the street where you you're just you know making money and you know, you it's not be not paying you paying taxes at the end of the year. So if I'm giving away so much money and I still gotta pay taxes on the money that I'm making, it doesn't really make sense for me to be sitting here cultivating someone that's in that's in jail. Or I'm sorry, I'm supporting someone that's in jail and cultivating that that lifestyle because I'm I'm far removed from that. So I made the decision. I said, you know, that's it. You come home, go to jail, talk to bro about it all the time. Nobody else can go to jail. Like if you go to jail, you talk to me about it all the time. If you go to jail, then my I I'm like, nah, I ain't got it. Because I can't keep doing it. I gotta let I gotta break the break the break the trim because it's like it's traumatizing me having to keep everybody, nobody like nobody else. Somebody go to jail, yo, call him, call, you know, you may call your man. And you ain't out there doing none of that. Yeah, I ain't out here breaking no no no law or nothing. And it's not that I'm just turning my back on people, it's just like, you know, I just gotta check it out. Enough is enough. Everybody get an opportunity, but it's like now we in our 40s, approaching 50. Nobody should be going to jail anymore. We have too much opportunity around us for everybody to try to do something. And if people come home and try to find a position to do something, it's always an opportunity for you to make some type of money. You know what I'm saying? It may not always be what you want, but you if you if you stick to something or try to do something, it can help you. So it's not, it's not that I'm like turning my back on the hood, just that for me, I just feel like I'm just done. Right. I didn't I didn't I didn't give so much to this and trying to be you know loyal to the soil, then it doesn't really equate to nothing. I mean that money you can have, you can be investing in so many of different things. So anybody out there now, each is own. You people are still young and out here supporting individuals that's in jail. And it's okay if you want to support your loved ones, but it's just that for me, I've been doing it for what, I don't know, what, 20, 30? Yeah. Teenagers? We grinding to pay for lawyers and paying for people, you know, and it's like we giving up so much. We done risked our freedom to pay for lawyers, we risked our freedom to send people commissary. And it's like the street cold, but it's like, is it, you know, at some point you get you get you get tired of it, man. You know, get tired of it. But, you know, now if my if my guy goes to jail for something trying to protect his family or something like that, some something of that nature, then cool, but we don't have to break law no more. We won't have to go to jail for selling drugs no more. We gotta go to jail for, you know, robbing and stealing, whatever the case may be. We now are adults. You know, we grown. Everybody got kids and families. Why you want to break law? How can I sit up here and say, I got a podcast called Tells from the Jails, we spread stories and awareness to people, not then I leave out of here and I go break law. I'm like a straight hypocrite. I'm a straight hypocrite. No matter if I ain't getting caught or not. If I leave out of here and I'm selling drugs and nobody knows, but I'm sitting here trying to tell people to go to jail, I'm being a hypocrite. Because ultimately, what's gonna happen is I'm gonna get caught. Or somebody, you're gonna get caught at some point. All it takes is one time for you to get caught. That's it. So for me, it's not that I'm uh, you know, turning my back on the hood. It's that me personally, I just feel like I'm just done.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

You know, it's just that I feel like I don't look at it like you're telling me me, I uh, you know, right now, now me, my for me to answer that, I haven't, you know, been out here doing the things you've been doing. I didn't send a few, I could count on probably on uh on two hands how many times I sent dudes money in the jail. You know what I'm saying? When they do call and ask and I do got it. And it's levels to it. I, you know, I like to listen to, you know, it's I like that that slogan levels, it's definitely levels to every aspect of life. And when you start declining them levels and you've been doing the same constant thing for years, shit became become played out. Especially when we're talking about this, this, this, we're talking about this topic right here of you constantly taking care of a person that constantly comes home, constantly go back to jail. When is enough enough? I know I'm gonna be burnt out. The reason why I'm still in this mood, I'm freshly home, you know, I'm a few years home, and I still got the mentality, the guys. But in order to be successful, you gotta break from that shit. The guys, the guys. Homie told me one time, right? I said to a homie, right? I said, damn, bro, I call him. I call him, right? This is when I first come home from doing my time, doing the 21 years, I call him. His old lady pick up the phone. Shout out to you, bro. You know you know who I'm talking about. She picked up the phone, I'm like, damn, uh, what's such and such as? She like, oh, uh, he in the shower. I'm gonna tell him to call you back. So I hang up the phone. I'm like, damn. So I call him back. I'm still with the mentality I left the street 20 years ago, though. So when I call him back, I'm like, damn, bro, I just tried to call you. You wiz picked up the phone, man. Damn, when we start doing that, man, bros over hoes. Man, he immediately checked me from the gun bus. He told me, bro, if you don't get that thinking out your head, we not kids no more. All that, you know, bro, bros before hoes and all that shit. He said, That's my wife. He said, That's my wife. That's who take care of my kids, that's who runs my household. Nigga, she's before you. And I'm standing there like this. I'm I'm in awe, like, what you mean? Because I haven't grew up to the age that I'm at, the big age, I'm still working with that 19-year-old 19, 18-year-old mentality. And when that man told me this is someone that I love and honor, like I do this brother. This is a brother of ours. And I'm like, damn. This shit, like, people got real life things they gotta deal with every day instead of wanting to be with the guys and on the block or worrying about what happened. No, we ain't. I got a household to run, man. Not only run, but to lead. The leading don't take one day. Leading is for the rest of your life, once you become in that uh position. That's not no part-time job, that's a 24-hour day job leading a household. You don't go work for eight, you don't go do that for eight hours, then you're off the rest of the day till you come back. No, that shit is forever once you acquire a family, man. And he taught me a real valuable lesson that day when I called that man and asked him about damn, why she answering the phone, bro? It's bro, nah, nigga. Nigga, you ain't got to call that phone. This is what he told me. And I'm sitting here shocked, like, what you mean, bro? I still love you, nigga. He tell me I love you, but that's my family. And that's what we got to realize, man. You got to stop doing that, man, because motherfuckers grow up, shit get old. Motherfuckers turn their back. Just because you went and did that five years, and you had all the sneaks, all the soups, soups everywhere. You know what I like to say. Because got people was there looking out. You get out, stay out for two years or 18, whatever month, then you back in, you got another three years. Man, motherfuckers ain't keep trying to pay that, bro. Niggas got bills, man. Niggas got expensive kids. They own lifestyle, and you you they keep over and over and over. You just did five here. I looked out for that bid. And then you got another three. You want me to look out again, and then you come home and then you get another two. No, no, you're doing this on your own, man. And I stand on that, V. So I respect that what you just said, man. And I'm still going through my growth of becoming uh a standing firm law-abiding citizen. And it's it's a it's a journey. It ain't just you can't, this ain't something that you could just turn on and turn off. You got the ease your way, and you gotta want it. You gotta want it. The person that's coming home like me, I want it. I struggle like a motherfucker. I'm I'm gonna be the first one to let you know. I'm but the only thing that I'm not doing that I was doing before is going out there, bending court, selling drugs and stuff like that. Do I still have thoughts that pop in my head and then and then, like, damn, I could cut this. Yeah, I'm a human being. But the overall thought at the end of the day, like, man, first of all, I ain't trying to sit in that cell. Secondly, you hear what my my one of my brothers say, he's talking about his blood brother. When he's talking about man, I'm done. Motherfuckers is done, man. Yeah, that shit's gonna be crunchy in there at 45, 48, 49. Don't nobody want to go through that, man. So I understand exactly what he's talking about, man.

SPEAKER_04 16:13

Yeah, it's like to the it's it's to the point now where it's like, you know, we gotta practice what we preach. And it's like now when you in jail and you're saying, man, I come home doing this, I'm doing that, I'm trying to stay trying to, you know, fly straight. We've all been there. We all all heard someone say that in the spike moment, some spike a moment.

SPEAKER_03 16:28

That'd be that'd be the attention, bro. That'd be the attention from the drive. It really does, and I was one of them. Yeah, so you can't count the mind by you always that that'd be, but when shit don't be working, like I say, shit not gonna happen overnight, and that's what a lot of us coming home from jail, and then we be too caught up on things that's going on around us. I'm gonna just keep it real. A lot of dudes come home and you might got a partner or two, and they might be doing well in their business. They might be working like me. I got a partner that got a business, and he's all right. His success is not yours. You're not gonna get a truck in the next three months. You know what I'm saying? You're not gonna do that. You're not gonna, if you got that mentality, you're going to be, you're gonna you're gonna get frustrated because it's taking too long, and then you're gonna go revert back to that old thing that you used to do, especially if you're one of them dudes that really know how to get some money. Just because you got caught don't mean you don't know how to get no money. It just means you were sloppy a little bit. But if you a dude and you know, damn man, I just had I I could take a motherfucking eight ball and make this join nine ounces in three weeks. You got dudes that can do that. You was one of them niggas at the time in your ignorance. So that be pulling at you. You know you can go do this, but there is an ultimate price to pay. Not just going to jail, but good friends and family members falling off when you go to jail now. Now you're in there by yourself. You ain't got nobody to do. Trust me, I know I've been through it. Yeah, I'm going through things right now, trying to get my money up and stuff like that. It's a grind, it's a never-ending grind. That's it, man. Don't nothing come to a sleeper but a dream. Remember that, please.

SPEAKER_04 18:00

For sure, because at the end of the day, we all have to understand that everybody is an individual. We got individual lives. It's been points, it's been it's been times where as though I had to, I'd have made my family wait just to make sure I was able to pay lawyers and stuff for the guys. See, that's crazy. Made your family wait, man. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Your kids, and you mean they might need to do one of this or whatever. My wife ain't had nothing to do with that. She like At all. She just rocking with me, like, all right, because she understood, she like at the time, it's like, wow, like, yeah, I gotta pay for this lawyer. Lawyer costs $10,000, you know, and I may have made her wait. She may have wanted to take a trip and go somewhere. But I'm like, nah, I gotta do this for the guys. I gotta take care of this. That that ultimately ultimately wasn't fair, but I didn't see it at the time. Right. I didn't see it. Like, I'm like, all right, like you said, these are my guys, gotta make sure they're cool. But ultimately, she shouldn't have to wait for nothing. Because she's playing her position. It ain't her fault that my friends is in jail or my family is in jail. You know, and people don't really understand that. And then if a woman ever opens her mouth and says, Well, look, well, well, we gotta think about the family, and the guys will look at her as she's wrong. They will look at her like, oh, she oh, she on some nuts stuff, man. Because people were selfish. And she may want to take care of the family, have a trip with the family because she understands that, you know, she worked hard and she's in the house, doing what she gotta do in the household. And she may want to go out somewhere, go go go somewhere, go, go leave, go on the island. I'm sitting here, like, no, we can't do it right now. I gotta take care of the. It's already, she gotta be patient with me working all the time, trying to figure it out. And then she gotta be patient with me trying to take care of other people outside of the household. Just not fair at all. Now let's go back to your to people that's in jail, people that's going to jail and calling mom and dad or getting mad when the friends or people don't send them money in jail. You knew you were out here breaking law. Where is your money at? Where is your savings? Where did you what did you put to the side for yourself? Because listen, where we come from, we always always thought that we go to jail, gotta have some money, put away case, you get caught. This is this is terrible thinking, but it's actually smart thinking at the same time. This rule one-on-one, man. Yeah, you make sure. You gotta have lawyer money. But nowadays, people, a lot of these young guys are just shooting up stuff. I want to talk about something too, but the little autonomy, right? It's a little, it was a little kid I just saw, 15-year-old boy in, I believe he's in Bronx or the Queens, as at a basketball court. They bullied this kid, right? I don't know if you saw it. They were and shoddy.

SPEAKER_03 20:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:22

And this is another kid that shot him who's gonna be arrested and wasn't arrested now.

SPEAKER_03 20:27

They was in the playground or something.

SPEAKER_04 20:28

Yeah, that's that's senseless violence, man.

SPEAKER_03 20:30

These kids, man, they're getting around these guns, man. Shot that kid in his neck or wherever he shot him in his face, where we shot him at, man. All this stuff comes from not, and I'm not saying this is the main key of, but you can save a lot more. You can save a lot more kids, especially if you discipline them correctly. If you start the discipline age early. Not to say that all of them is gonna be just, you know, good products of society, no. But if you had out of 10 kids, more than five of them is gonna be correct. If you install that discipline and people looking at me like I'm funny and crazy, no, at five, six years old, I'm on their ass, man. And then a person just told me something the other day, right? And because he said he was he was watching it. When I called my man, he said I was watching, he said, but I gotta go with you, I gotta count Feek out. I don't know how Feak don't know. And I'm like, why? And when he said it made sense. I said, I gotta go back and bring it to him. He said, because when you was like five and six, no, man, they don't really be knowing that. And I'm like, and I was like, man, they but my man said, yes, they do, because when we you remember doing things at five and six, and you remember doing it sneakily. And if you do it sneakily, you know it's something you ain't supposed to be doing.

SPEAKER_04 21:33

But the thing what I was saying was I was thinking that I was speaking about them going being in jail at five or six. Oh no, no, no, no. I wasn't even talking about already. That's what I was saying, but it kind of, you know, but but you was I agree with you what you're saying, like holding the kids accountable at five or six years old. But I was saying, like, because we were talking about jail, and I was thinking about when do you when is it that time for a kid to be held accountable and sentenced to prison? And you was and you was like five or six. Like, no, no, not five. I was thinking about the actual jail aspect. Yeah, not yet. But you're totally right because you gotta hold your kids accountable as soon as they start, you know, learning how to ask for something.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

Like I just now went. Gotta set rules. Like we talked about it yesterday, but I finally seen it for the first time today. How this man disciplined both his sons. Both of them went into an establishment. A establishment. Now, all any type of stealing is bad, but you got levels to stilling. They already young kids at a level inside of an establishment stealing wares or whatever. Whatever they stealing and get caught. I'm whooping their ass and he had him up by in the air by his arms and wearing him out. Not wearing him out to the point where he's beating his face and nothing. No, he got the belt on him, legs and that ass. All leg work and ass work. And that motherfucker was welling like a goddamn baby. And I'm like, yeah, I totally agree with it. I agree with it. I bet you he's not gonna steal for a very long time if he plans on stealing again. That's gonna be nipped in the bud for the foreseeable future. We're gonna come back and revisit that with him for a while. But that discipline was installed. You got you got you have to lead with some type of physical action, man. All that, yo man. Um, my life, especially when they're yours. When they're yours, yeah, come on, man. Now when you're talking to somebody else, kid, now you can't put your hands on the yours, man. Shit, you're gonna lock me up today. Because if my son, lady come here and talking about something, yeah, he was in school grabbing people's asses and running them whole ass whooping me. Ass whooping me, that's my name. Ass whooping. How you in school grabbing asses? No, man, you ain't supposed to be doing that. You know you ain't supposed to be doing this. You told me I ain't no. So now instead of a verbal lashing, now you're gonna get a little bit of physical in here, man.

SPEAKER_04 23:47

Yeah, grabbing, grabbing behind, you know, uh, you know, you know, just touching. Yeah, that lead the right now. Yeah, now just need the bigger things if it's left unchecked. Yeah, taking pictures, they behind, like, you know, yeah, FOs and all that. Yeah, they do a lot of crazy stuff.

SPEAKER_03 24:04

Yeah, it was a yeah, yeah, exactly. Tuss, tuss, you right, man. Shout out to you, man. It was in the barbershop. He wore their asses out. I guarantee you they ain't stealing in the in the near future no time soon. Yeah, so we got kids nowadays.

SPEAKER_04 24:18

You gotta you gotta check your children. Cause if I would have got court still on my dad, I'd have probably got I probably would have missed the whole summer. Probably. The end the next one. Yeah, I'd have been in the crib probably for daddy the whole summer.

SPEAKER_03 24:29

But when he had beat you though. Oh, for sure. Yeah, see, yeah. That was you knew that was you weren't even worried about staying in the crib for the summer. You knew that was if you you weren't about to.

SPEAKER_04 24:41

You can't come out. Like, nah, you know, we know Ant-Man ain't remember how we try to get get y'all to come talk to the the my pop, let us out.

SPEAKER_03 24:49

Yeah, Ant Man already knew all that. He right there waiting on us that way. All y'all that way. Ain't nobody here.

SPEAKER_04 24:55

He wasn't going for none of that. None of that. My my pop had even had a rule where it's though, if you don't go to school, you can't go outside. Man, I had I I ain't miss not one day in school. You would try to be outside, man. You don't go to school, and then in the winter time, you know, you try, all right. I ain't got I'm cool not going outside in the winter time. You wasn't watching no TV or nothing. You just had to stay in your room all day. So for me, I'm like, man, I'm not listening I ain't miss a day of school with my pop, man. But you know, just to go back to another thing, too. We got to speak about the parents. Like, like what about the mom out here? She works at a job, her son is in jail, and she's trying to figure it out for her. She buys a single parent. You know, a lot of you know, she buys a single parent trying to figure it out. But her son on her line, mom, did you get the money for the lawyer? Did you get this money for the lawyer?

SPEAKER_03 25:42

Oh, that's going on all the time. At an alarming rate. It's terrible, man. See, because you, when a person first goes in, especially at a young age, you ain't develop, you, you're gonna, this is where you're gonna start to grow at. This is where you're gonna go through your trial and triple A. Inside that penal system, it's gonna bring you corrections. It will. Whether you're gonna be on the left side of it or the right side of it. But at first, everything is me, me, me, me, me, because you're in the jam, you're in the bond, I'm locked up. They got everything is gonna be they. They. I went in there, right? And when I went back for resentencing, right? Because I came home, you was in the courtroom with me. You talked real good to let the, because I wasn't supposed to come home in 2026, y'all. So, you know, Trump passed the law that sent me home 2021, right? But I had to come back and see my back judge. I mean, not my back judge, but my judge that sentenced me to that time. My judge had died. So I had a new judge in place. So I went back and seen it. So I'm talking to a white boy the night before. And he like, yo, he's a he's in there, he's he's in there, he's in jail with me. He's a convict. And he said, yo, man, what you gonna say to that lady tomorrow? Because I gotta talk. I gotta tell her why she should let me out of jail. And I say, man, I'm gonna go in there and be like, Yeah, man, you know, uh, yeah, I had my life taken from me, man, as a little kid. Stop me. I said, Well, he said, say that again. I said, Yeah, I'm gonna go in there and tell the man, Your Honor, yeah, I had my life taken at me. I just want to get back home to my family. He said, She's not gonna let you go home. I said, damn. I said, what you mean she's not gonna let me go back home? He's like, because you're still not showing accountability. The, the, it's the the. This is the the the my life was taken from me statement is a victim. Yeah. I'm making myself a victim. You see what I'm saying then? I'm in there talking about some my life was taken from me, Yanna. I'm still that's arrogant. That's basically saying, y'all got me in here, y'all took my life all these years, and now y'all should let me go home. No, Yannah, I gave my life up due to me doing this negligence stuff back when I was a child. That is taking full accountability in just that one sentence. You gotta be careful when you're talking in these courts and you're trying to get home, man. Don't go in there shifting blame, y'all took all that. No, especially if you was found guilty or pled guilty. You already cooked. You did it if you're found guilty or pled guilty. You're booked for that. So all that you trying to chicken shive and Jake, no, maybe I ain't did it. Nah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now it's time for redemption and redemption. What the first phase is accountability, man.

SPEAKER_04 28:16

Out of a thousand inmates in prison, right? How many of them is actually innocent?

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Out of a thousand, probably like seven. In my book.

SPEAKER_04 28:26

So out of a thousand people, only seven people really are in there.

SPEAKER_03 28:31

Like, I'm not gonna say seven, but you have a lot of people. It's way more people in there that's court for what they did, bro. If you have a uh a it's not even a hundred people in there. If you got a thousand people, it's not a hundred that didn't do it.

SPEAKER_04 28:44

Just think about how many cases uh these judges see that it's because it's so many prisons, there's so many inmates that go to jail. It's so many, yo, man. The court systems is crazy, man. Think about all them cases that's people just getting sent upstate for for life. Because somebody was saying something the other day, they was like, life is life, man. You know, you're not getting out. My man uh called me. He said, Yo, life is life, man. And you never really realize that until you're in prison. Because you got you meeting guys in there that got 40 years, 50 years, 60 years, been there for 50 years. He said, My guy said, I mess, I met a couple guys and I was up, he was cool with lifers in prison. He's like, man, it's like people in there that I've been in here for 50 years. And you even heard Bricks say it too. Bricks mentioned that too. He's like, Yeah, this guy you be walking next to in the track. Old guy, he been I've been there for 50 years. Yeah. What you can say to him?

SPEAKER_03 29:34

You in there, you better shut up and do no, you better not do no whining around these men. Prison grows you up fast, man. If you ain't have a pop before you came to prison, you're gonna have a pop because prison is your pop now. Prison is your biological father. You will be lectured, you will be disciplined, you will learn, you will be corrected, and that's what a father's supposed to do. So he is taking the place of your biological father. And I say he, no, I mean that he is the jail.

SPEAKER_04 30:04

Matters your question. If your son, you know, you know, God forbid, if your son was to go to prison, right?

SPEAKER_03 30:12

First and foremost, I'll be crushed. I felt him. Me, me. I'm talking about me. I've been through all that. I feel as though I did all that. No, no, no. But I'ma still take it as that.

SPEAKER_04 30:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 30:21

I'ma still take it as that. I could have been around more. It could come like right now. You had to get on me about being with my son all the time. I could be more of a father to my son. You know what I'm saying? And I'm a man, and I admit to that. And for by me admitting to that, that's that's that's that's the first step to accountability and doing what I gotta do.

SPEAKER_04 30:36

Right, but this is the question though. Um your son, say, say your son goes to prison, right? And he goes to prison and you're trying to talk to him and say, hey, listen, son, you know, you shouldn't be doing this, blah blah blah, blah. Let this be the last time. How many opportunities would you give your son to get it right before you say, you know what? You on your own. And I'm gonna tell you why I asked that question. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 31:03

Or you always gonna rock with him. Yeah, I'm gonna rock, I'm gonna always rock with him, but it ain't gonna be how like the first two times gonna be. It's gonna be a lot less off, but I can't just turn away and walk away. It's my son. And then I'm gonna be feeling some guilt behind it. Like maybe I could have done more. I'm gonna be feeling like that. I'm gonna be really feeling like I'm talking about me. I'm talking about me. Not a Brahim that never been to jail before and always been a law-abiding citizen. Maybe I have a different way of thinking and can probably cut him off at the second time. But me, I know that I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna feel a little bit like, damn, this shit comes from me, man. Mm-hmm. This shit, so I will, yeah. You best believe he this is the fourth time he's in jail now. Oh no, it ain't gonna be nothing like the first two times. Oh no, nigga. If I was sending you money one time a month, this shit gonna be once a quarter.

SPEAKER_04 31:53

Reason why I asked you that too, because I was talking to my guy. Um, I was on up on Ridge, I did mask shit on Ridge, and um I see my guy there, he acting, I see my guy, he well, he's riding down Ridge, and I was going in to go pray, and he pulled over, stopped, hopped out, talked to me. He was telling me about his son. He's like, yo, my son, um, my son down for uh for attempt. You know, he been going to jail since he was, you know, 21. Now he, I think his son said 30 or whatever. But he said that you know, his son is like it's like he's gonna beat the case and he, you know, he probably gonna come home. But he was like, he told his son, like, man, like basically like this is it. I can't do it no more. I can't support you in this. So if you come home, you go back to jail, you done. He said his son was like, man, like, you know, basically like, all right, I I'm I'm done. I'm I'm I'm I'm not gonna do this no more. But also his son was saying, like, yo, but like pop, you know, you was in jail and you and you know, you understood, you want you want you understand what was going on in here. Like you understand how it is. You can't forget that you can't turn your back up. He was like, Man, I told him like I'm I'm just done. Is it is his dad wrong?

SPEAKER_03 32:59

No, his dad is not wrong, but his dad is not. This dad, this dad is like. Shout out to my man, shout out to my man Sheep. But go ahead. Sheep, she would be there. Like this when you this is your son, like, it's easy to do it to a brother, a friend. Yeah, I mean, and you still probably won't do it to them all the way in that manner. Like, you still be around. I'm telling you, it's gonna come to the point where I'm not gonna be fully committed to you like how I was, but you're not getting that. No, you're not gonna, no. But I can't, I just can't do it. You let him go in there and fight with a PD. He got he got a he got attempted murder. You let them let him fight with a PD? If he got some people coming through with some chat, I'm I'm gonna help out. But for me to pay the whole thing again, nah. I'm gonna tell him, look, boy, this is what I got for you. This is what I got. I ain't got that whole thing, but this is what I got. Yeah, I just can't. And I'm and I'm talking like this because of me. Because of me, and I'm not saying it's right, it's because of me, of what I've been through in life thus far. But I'm not gonna let you burn me out. But I'm not, I just can't, especially if I'm in a position. Now, if I'm fucked up and all that, I might duck your call a little bit. And that's sucker shit. You ain't supposed to be doing that. But I'm fucked up. I know what you're gonna call in the ass. I don't have it. But if I know I'm cool, I'm not gonna be overloading you now. But all right, yeah, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah. I need a little douche, I got 75. Yeah, you better call somebody else for the other being 25. I ain't gonna totally outright, but you just can't get no.

SPEAKER_04 34:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

That'll make it, that'll make it hurt, make you realize too, like, damn, motherfuckers already be done with a nigga ass. I remember I used to get this and now I just called my man. Now you sitting there, or the lawyer, uh $2,000 for the preliminary. Yeah, I got $300, bro. You ain't got you need $1,700 more dollars now. Yeah. Now you can't call nobody else to get a deuce. Yeah, but you would we went to three at to your book or to the lawyer. Which one do you want to do? That's all I got. Can't be mad at me.

SPEAKER_04 34:49

Yeah, can't be mad at me. You know, uh, I got a close friend that dude that like, you know, he does that all the time. The people come to him, like, yo, I need $3,000 or whatever dollars to do this. And he'll be like, you know what? I need to borrow some, I need to borrow $3,000 so I can, you know, get this done. What he'll do is he'll say, Here you go, I got $400 for you don't gotta pay me back. This is help you get towards, get to what you and in the beginning I'm looking at him like, yo, my yo, like I'm like, I'm counting, I was wrong, I'm counting his pockets because I'm because I'm doing the same, I'm I'm paying for this and paying for that. And I'm looking at him like, yo, you out of pocket, yo, you got all that money, and you gonna give them $400. He like, no, he's like, like, because I'm not out here running the streets. You know, I live I live a regular life. Like, I'm I live a regular, I'm not so they gotta take what I give. So I was like, in the beginning, I'm like, because I'm paying for lawyers, you know, paying for this, sending money, make sure everybody's cool, taking care of people's wives out here, girls out here, paying the rent, you know, helping with card notes at the same time, and you know, daycare payments and all these different things. I'm not only I'm taking a person to take care of the person in jail, I'm taking care of uh people's families out here, you know, doing all these things, paying people to move in place. It's just so much I that I was doing. And I'm like, looking at my man like that, you're gonna give he got all this money, you're gonna give him $400. He's like, no, he giving them fun, that's the only one gotta pay me back. I helped him. I'm just not taking the brunt of the low because that's not my responsibility. And for a while, I'm like, damn, like you, but I'm like, I I respect that now, I understand why he did it. And he has a family, he got a bunch of kids, you know what I mean, multiple wives. He got a lot of stuff going on, so I understand why why he was doing it. So now to go back to go back to to to your son uh being in prison, and your son um you you're saying you're not letting him fight fight a case with a PD.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

Well, sure, but I'm not paying the whole goddamn thing.

SPEAKER_04 36:39

All right So he's gonna have to fight the case with the PD. All right, now what about this scenario? Like we just heard the other day, one of our friends came to us came to us and said their son was offered a deal, right? Yeah. And they was like, this is a good deal for whatever he's facing. And he was like, I don't know if my son might want to take the deal because of where his where his mental at. He don't look at it as a good deal. Now, as his father, are you encouraging him to like the deal you know about his situation? Yes. You're encouraging him to take a deal? Yes, I'm super encouraged, I'm heavy on the encouragement tip.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

Especially why? Because of what? Especially what because he, if he did it, if he did it and they can prove he did it, he on camera and it ain't no getting around it. Boy, don't go in there playing with him because they give you life. He's facing the homicide. He ain't facing no drug case, no, and they coming at you with something 10 or 12, and you young, you went in there 22, 23, you gotta live with that, son. Son, you did some nut shit. You did some nuts shit. They offering you a diamond. I know, I know these people will sit you in there for life. You go to trial playing with these people, they're gonna knock you out the park. You know how you're playing baseball and you get a home run, boom. In order to get a home run, you gotta put the the the meat on a motherfucking ball, the fat part of the back, boom, in order to knock it out the park. For real. You know what I'm saying? So you got the you got to make the right decision, man. You gotta make the right decision and making the right decision. Sometimes you gotta bite off, you you can't bite off more than you can chew, man. You know what I'm saying? In them cases, man, you got the man up. You was man enough to go out there and do what you did, stood over a nigga, whatever, and they got you all on 4K, 5K, and they coming at you, he goes, Dime. Why you in here talking about no? That's the young arrogance shit.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

No, we're thinking you can beat it. We just seen a grown man do that. We're telling this person, me and you just saw the footage before the person even seen it. We telling the person, look, yo, that y'all is at 5K. That's you on the camera. Like, no, no, no, I can do like no man.

SPEAKER_03 38:35

The lawyer even told, listen, bro. It's only one thing, bro. It's only one thing, and I'm gonna say this, man. I love my brothers to death, man. He my brother. Niggas don't be equipped for doing time, bro. Niggas don't be equipped. He's the same one that told me when I took 11 half to 23. Man, you out your damn mind. I took that because I know the trouble I can get into. I'm a convict, an ex-convict. I know them dudes we talking about right now, they used to being in no jail for no eight, nine, ten, eleven years. Two years of them is like, oh my god, life. And you want camera finding nigga ass up. Boy, if you don't take that deuce and start playing with them people, man.

SPEAKER_04 39:13

But you know, a lot of people was not quick, they don't want to do that time. I was surprised to see him get that type of deal because I'm like, yo, I I we told him, yo, man, that's listen, man. Ray Charles can see that's you on that camera, man. Yeah, I think what I'm saying, because I was no anything can happen.

SPEAKER_03 39:28

He started saying anything can happen in there though. Anything can happen with you on 5K, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:33

Listen, but he got there. They listen, after they after they uh said it was him on the camera, he got in there and started crying at a jaw.

SPEAKER_03 39:41

I just bet he did. He was crying because he was thinking about taking that one to two today offering.

SPEAKER_04 39:47

He thought it was ready to get real crunchy. Y'all was man probably go by a virgin, you know. You should have just got all the people in the beginning, but he made it out good. Yeah, he still made it out good, but it could have been that he didn't get that offered him at one to two. He said he got it, he said he got he got a two to four, but he but he could have got a one to two. Yeah, he could have got a one to two, but he took he uh wasn't there playing. He wasn't there playing around. The people that gave a two to four.

SPEAKER_03 40:09

So and then then and now he could have fucked around and got more than that. That was just a busting and he had a good lawyer, humdila. They said five to ten, he'd have fell out in the courtroom. Cause you was thinking he's gonna get somebody. Yeah, I know how this shit go. Like, man, come on, man.

SPEAKER_04 40:22

He was like, Yeah, they probably give me a big one.

SPEAKER_03 40:23

They told him if you if they done told him five to ten, you said he was crying off the what's that?

SPEAKER_02 40:27

If they didn't tell him five to ten, he probably shitted at anything. Fuck this cry. He you know how a person gets shot in the head, boom, and they lose all their bowel movements and all that because they ready that no, they told him guilty five to ten. He already know how to win. He shitted like a motherfucker, man.

SPEAKER_04 40:42

Yeah, yo, you you know that video uh with the ball, uh the ball who looked back at the people with like uh he's like uh what he said. He said, I um I asked for it. No, that Joe, that that little the little joy, he looked back, yeah, you know, man. Y'all probably know the video, man. The ball was a the ball was like uh he turned back. He looked at the look back at the people, people behind him, his face was crazy. That's the same face bro had. He looked back at us, nothing but face full of tears. I'm like, he but he was like trying to get leniency from the judge. Yeah, no, no, no. The judge wants him to speak. Hey, listen, I'll give you a chance to talk. What do you have to say?

SPEAKER_03 41:18

It was 60 cent leniency for the judge, 40 cents. He ain't trying to do it. That's what the tears was. It was damn near 50-50. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:27

So he was starting crying. Y'all came up with broken over, man. My life is this, my life is that. I'm sitting back, look at this. Stoke old criminal. This nigga stoke old criminal.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

But hopefully he learns his lesson this time around. This shit, you know what I mean? You never know, man, to a person. In order, it's not even about learning your lesson. It's about, right? It's a it is about learning your lesson. Let me re- let me re-re back up a little bit. It is about learning your lesson, but it's about your patience now. Only people who survive and thrive is ones with patience, man. Because it's going, you're gonna come out here, man. And especially is your patience and not your expectations. You can't be telling you certain people come home and hear about, you know, especially family members might be doing good. I know he got me, I know I'm gonna be, and shit might not happen like that. And now you like, well, you now you got the same face on that you had in front of the judge crying and shit up on you, but whatever the case may be. That right there, you gotta get that out, you gotta get that shit out of your head and think about you, man. And worry about you and wear patience and not uh putting too much expectations on you, man. Because shit not gonna happen overnight unless you go ahead and get one of them little scratch offs and hit for or a goddamn lawsuit that's gonna give you 1.5. Other than that, and you're getting older. You're getting older, you coming out here trying to get a job now, the felon. Man, that shit crazy, man. You got to have patience at an alarming rate. And if you don't got that, I get with you after you get back out of jail, man. Because you're gonna do something again.

SPEAKER_04 43:08

And yo, listen, don't forget to hit that hit the like button. And uh if you are able to become a member, become a member, and please subscribe to the channel. Now, the thing about it is this, so I'm just we'll go to the to the judges, right? These judges see all these cases, right? And nine times out of ten, you know, whenever a person is uh is is is guilty, they um, you know, they go into this whole apologetic thing. I'm pa I'm sorry, my life is this, my life is that, I was raised this way.

SPEAKER_03 43:36

They didn't hear that shit 99,000 times.

SPEAKER_04 43:38

But listen, you hear the judge, what the judge say a lot of times is listen, uh I hear all that, but I gotta stick to the guidelines. The guidelines state the thing.

SPEAKER_03 43:45

Yeah, my hands are tight. I'm gonna tell you what the judge said to me. What I heard him say to me verbatim. He said, Man, listen, Mr. Jackson, man. You know, they told him about me being in foster care and, you know, certain things that I've been through and what I didn't have and how I was deprived. He's sitting there right there listening. He's listening good. Because it'd be your lawyer, you know, explaining on your behalf of what you've been through and everything, how sorry fool you is. He said, listen, do the Congress, you know, that the Congress makes the laws or the land. My hands is tied behind my back, meaning the case that you got holds a 300-month time barrier. So I'm gonna send you to this 300 months because I have to. Now, furthermore, there are a lot of people born in society without a silver spoon, and they don't go out here and commit these acts that this man has been found guilty of. And he's absolutely correct. How many people we know that come from province lands that's successful men, legitly? Yeah. How many friends we got that's out here, but not even successful because success comes in all, it don't mean you got a lot of money. No, success means you're you're thriving, you're doing what you're supposed to do. That's what I take success as. You know what I'm saying? If you got $40,000 in your bank account, all your bills paid for, your car, your girl car, your kids that took a kid's school, you're successful.

SPEAKER_04 44:58

Yeah, $40,000.

SPEAKER_03 44:59

You don't need millions of dollars in your bank account to say, yeah, I'm successful. Well, I don't anyway. Like, you know, I mean, that's just me. But, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:12

All right, so the thing about it is this also, another thing is when we have when you have a situation like this where people go to jail, right? And people, and people are, are, you know, or well, they're found guilty, right? Mm-hmm. And they ready to go to sentencing. Why is it that a person knows that they were like, like they, well, I'm saying they they know that they were wrong, right? And they had an opportunity to take a deal. Why is it they are still expected to get leniency? Like, why are you still trying to get leniency?

SPEAKER_03 45:41

Denial, bro. Denial, we blame everything on everybody. So what? We we don't care about what we just did. Please don't do, please let me. It's always the denial is that not accountability. Like you didn't kill four or five people. And you still want 30 years, 25 years. No, it don't go like that. We we we we're too we we're selfish, we're selfish. With you gotta learn that you gotta learn that accountability. It got it's gonna sink in on you. You know what I'm saying? You're looking for more than what you're supposed to get. No, bro.

SPEAKER_04 46:13

Do you know do you think if you go in there and admit to your crime, it it helps the judge? You goddamn right.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

The judge that's why they give you a deal when you cop out. That's why when you cop out instead of getting life, you get 40. That's why they came at the man, hey, go take this one and two instead of this two to four. When you go in there, that's that's accountability. That's the first step to recovery. I did that, man. With a yeah, that gun, yuck. Yeah, that was mine's mate. I ain't gonna make y'all fight. Good man. That's the first, that's the first form to progress. And the judgment look at it like, no, listen, I'm gonna give you the I'm gonna give you the. I'm gonna give you the low end. I'm gonna give you the low end. You took accountability, man. That's the first step to recovery. I ain't in here playing with y'all. No, I ain't did it. Make y'all go to trial, tax, pay your dolls, I ain't get booked.

SPEAKER_04 46:58

You ever seen the bulls go get who get feeling guilty to get up there when it's time to sentencing, they'll be like, Well, listen, I want to apologize for the family, but I ain't had nothing to do with it. It wasn't even me. You're not taking accountability. And the judge is sitting there looking at him like, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 47:10

Watch this, I'm ready to drop this mallet from way up top. You know what I'm saying? Like, so you mean it's all accountability, man. Like the man said, like the man was just telling it, it goes back to what the man's like, what you gonna say to the judge? Or I'm gonna go in there and just tell her, man, that my life been taken. And this is 21 years later. Yo, we talked about 21 years later, and I still had this mentality.

SPEAKER_04 47:29

And we talked about something too. We talked about you, right? When you when uh when they offered you a deal initially, when you got indicted, right? They offered you what, 10 years? No, they offered me like 15. 15 years. No, it was 17 years. 17 years. It was 17 years. But you ended up doing 20. So basically, if you would take if you would take that 17 years, they would have dropped it down, you probably would have came home. Like 14. Like 14 and some change. So you'd have been out six years earlier.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 47:54

And you know, so yeah, but the thing I think the thing with with you and us at the time, we didn't understand what we was up against. Right. We was kids. Yeah, we didn't know.

SPEAKER_03 48:04

We ain't know nothing. We barely knew about the state. You know, we ain't know nothing about the feds. So now you look at it. You're thinking the feds, but not to control, you're thinking the feds come get the mafia, uh million, uh oh, you gotta have a thousand kilos of crack cocaine. And you you know, you never thought the feds was coming to get some little niggas from out of West Philadelphia from down the bottom, and then put us on a grandstand indictment. I'm like, whoa, what the hell is this? You know what I'm saying? But they're coming with it, they locking up niggas that are looking out. You can be a lookout and get 15 years, man. Your job is to sit on the corner and say, hada, hada, raw, raw, all these is code names for police and get 15 years for just doing that. You ain't sold nothing. Feds ain't playing with you, man.

SPEAKER_04 48:48

Exactly. It's just crazy, man. Like, and the thing about it too, remember um one thing that one thing the feds said, they said that you know, drug dealers don't look up. They're watching us from the roof all that time.

SPEAKER_03 49:01

You said drug dealers. Oh, yo, that's what they did. Yeah, especially at nighttime and stuff. They up there crawling up there and all that. You know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:08

Mm-hmm. They just watched them have millions of pictures, millions of uh footage. Remember that night when they came and raided and they had all them leaves, the boy came running out, she with leaves on his back that he was laying in the grass. That jump was crazy, man. Fatigue on.

SPEAKER_02 49:21

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:22

He had leaves on, he had like a whole outfit for it, like he was like he was in the army or something like that. I ain't never seen nothing like that in my life.

SPEAKER_03 49:28

You said you ain't never seen nothing like that in your life, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:30

No, for a drug block though? Mm-hmm. Like that jump was crazy. They was serious trying to trying to, you know, because when we kept kept shutting down where they couldn't bust us non-duty. But they they ended up coming like that and on duty. But it was crazy. So now right, let's go back to the kid, right? Your kid don't take the deal. Right? That's all right in front of them. After you plead with him, like, yo, listen, son, this is the best deal you can get. This is the best opportunity for you to come home. You at this age, you get out, maybe you might be 35, 40, 45, or however, you know, old, you still have have your youth. You can be in there working out, you're still gonna be young, you still have your mind. You can go in there and get you a trade, get all these things while you're in jail. You're gonna be away for a while, son. But go in here, go on on here and get this over with. Get out these people away. And he ain't do it. Ain't to end to that deal. And then they then they then they get in there.

SPEAKER_03 50:18

I don't feel no type of way about it. I did my job. I did my job. I told you he's a man, he gotta grow up. Everybody did every man, every man is an individual, bro. You get you get accounted for for the work that you put in, whether it be good work or bad work, man. When I say work, meaning an honest living or criminal lifestyle living. You get account, you get judged by the work that you do. So by me, I did my part. Son, I did this before you. I know what can happen. Boy, you got all this evidence, and you still took your route. Okay, he's becoming a man, making the choices for him and his life. Will I be upset? Yeah, I'll be upset, but I'll be like, all right, cool. I I did my job. He got to stand on his business. He did that. Like with, yeah, yeah. Like with queso pop. Like we talked about before queso and his pop, uh, blue and all that. I'm not going to tell on my son, but yeah, you got the, you got, you got the you got you got to stand on your business, queso. You did all this, you got to stand on your business, man. You did this, not me.

SPEAKER_04 51:16

Queso is supposed to go ahead and they can offer queso a deal. Yeah, 25 years. Now he got life.

SPEAKER_03 51:22

And then another 15 years for the other murder. He just got filmed guilty of another murder, like, what, two, three weeks ago.

SPEAKER_04 51:26

They was had to do 40 years, but he would have been.

SPEAKER_03 51:29

Yeah, he was young. He went, yeah, so he could have probably, yeah. He came only about 60 something. Yeah, at least he owned. And then you got all that time to be in shape, no drugs in you, you know. So you're gonna be preserved, well preserved.

SPEAKER_04 51:41

Uh, can you come home on good behavior at for a for a murder? What you mean? Like they like let you go, he was doing good, and then let you out, you know. Well, you could let out at your minimum, whatever your minimum is. The minimum was 25, 25. Now, maybe they could have let those the 25 and the 15 run concurrent. Can they do that?

SPEAKER_03 51:58

Yeah, they could do it.

SPEAKER_04 52:00

He would have been home.

SPEAKER_03 52:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:01

Been about maybe 45 got out. Now he got a will. And that deal is gone. You'd never see that deal again. And why is it that people are scared to take them deals? When you look at, if I'm looking at life, and I know I did it, and the evidence against me, because you know the discovery of the evidence against you before you even go to trial. Yeah. They got camera footage, they got rap songs, they got videos, they got you, they have new clothes on at this time, and this is the same pants you had on when you did this. You got a witness. I know that somebody's telling on me. And you still walk in there and play with them people?

SPEAKER_03 52:35

See, a lot of people know that a lot of people know that, like, say if you the deal is for 40 years. If you take that deal, you give when once you plead guilty, you have exhausted all your rights. You exhausted your appeal rights, every right that you have. You pled guilty, I did this. And I did I'm telling you all this that I did this to get the leniency from court to get this 40 years. Because in other, in other words, I go to trial and fight it and get life. Yeah. Now a lot of dudes will go ahead and take that gamble of getting the life. Why? Because everything is still intact for them. All their appeal rights, everything is still intact. They get to appeal at this time, appeal at that time. Just because you're appealing it don't mean you're gonna get to come home. But you can you can look, this is a luck of the draw now. But you know, when you're thinking about them 40s, you you start thinking about the age you is now, what age you'll be home at. And it takes a real firm man to take them type of deals, bro. Yeah, it's taking 30 to 60s. You I might as well go to court. I might as well go to court and dick. It's a luck of the draw. Something might happen to here and sit go my way.

SPEAKER_04 53:40

People would be like, man, I ain't taking no 30 to no 60. I gotta give it to me. Like, like what's like I mean Hurts. But listen, that's another thing. I mean Hurst, he took an open plea. Yeah, he took, yeah, but it's still a plea. I would have had they would have had to put something on the table for me. I'm not on duty. You gotta put some uh deal on the table that's like, all right. All right, but just like I'm not taking an open open plea, man. I can give you anything from five to a hundred years.

SPEAKER_03 54:02

All right, just like what's the name? He took a plea. Uh we just had him uh uh on the FaceTime calling from jail. What's his name? Bricks. Yeah, Bricks. Bricks took a 30 to 60. I'm not taking 30, I gotta go to trial. And I understand that. Like immersion, like 30 to 60, like 30 to 60. He might not have a lawyer, because you gotta get a better deal than that. All right, but still, but if you can't get a bummer, we're talking about the 30 to 60, like, god damn, man. Okay, that don't sound like a deal, do it. That sounds like life. You might you're not guaranteed to go home on your first time. You you got a homicide, you got a real violent case. They might be like, you come up your 30 year, be like, all right, yeah, we'll see you in three more years. You know what I'm saying? So that's how it goes. You got a lot of stuff to do, man. A lot of stuff to do, bro.

SPEAKER_04 54:45

Yeah, man. I just can't, um, for myself, I just can't see myself. Like if I know I did something, exactly, and I know I did it. If I know I did it, and I know I um I made I made a mistake. I gotta, I gotta take that, I gotta take the deal.

SPEAKER_03 55:04

Right. I just have to. Yeah, you're gonna, you're gonna have to take the deal. Um you're gonna have to take it, man. Cause you sit, but but like I say, I don't want to say you're gonna have to take it, but because if they come at you, deals be, yo, all right, uh, you got three homicides right here, but look, we're gonna offer you 40 to 80. Is you taking 40 to 80 years, bro? You just going, no, no, no, y'all got to give me 40.

SPEAKER_04 55:23

Yeah, no, 40 to 80, that's that might be sound I might just buy myself a fight because my life is over.

SPEAKER_03 55:27

So that's why these dudes is going, but 10 to 12 years, your life ain't over. Yeah, because they can't. You a goddamn fool now. And then people be tricked, people be blind. Damn, killed the person. They only came at me with 12 years. Oh, I could beat this. Yeah, nigga, they trick you with that too. Nigga be all off the just because they offered you a little dime, little 12, and you know that this joint holds life 40, 30. Oh, I can beat it. Yeah, well, you the wool be pulled over your joint, and you go right in there and lose. And you like, I lost. Yeah, you lost, dummy. Yes. So yeah, man, it's a lot of thinking to do, man. You'll have to.

SPEAKER_04 56:05

Is that a strategy though? I'm gonna cut you out. That's strategy, or if it's low, so if it's a deal that's low in numbers, I'm gonna take that. But if it's a deal that's high in numbers, I'm as well to fight because if it's a 40. Yeah, I they're gonna get they're gonna give me a hit anywhere at 40 years. Yeah, I'm already 40 years in the house.

SPEAKER_03 56:18

Three full homicides. Yeah, you know you that's life. I might as well fight that. I'm not taking that. Y'all gotta give that to me. Yeah, y'all got to give that to me, but you gotta be strategic.

SPEAKER_04 56:27

Then you're wasting taxpayers' dollars to go.

SPEAKER_03 56:30

Listen, check this out. For a homicide, if they offer you 15 years or under, give it to me. And I'm not I'm not saying that it's right to go out here and commit homicides and all that. We're talking about these dudes that's going to jail and they're playing with their lives when they can come home sooner than they are be uh sooner than later. Dudes are going there and get offered 10, 15 years, you got all this oh, but because you're so cocky, that's pride. Too much pride. Oh, I could be, like a beat, like a beaty day on the offer. And you know how many times I seen that? Nigga get offered a dime. I'm gonna get necessarily to say, oh shit, they know they got a weak case. They think I'm gonna jump out here for that dime. I'm going to trial. You see that nigga at the end of the day, he like, what happened? Man, they booked me. Damn, they talking about giving me 40. They just had a dime on the plate for you, bro. That hurt. You did that hurt more than you, man. Come on, bro. That hurt, man.

SPEAKER_04 57:16

That hurt so bad. You gotta, they offered you a dime and then you turn it down and they gave you 50, mm-hmm, 40, 50 years. And the thing about it too, when they give you like a 40 to 80, right? Something like that. That's just, once you get to the 40-year mark, you might walk in there, you might go in there, you you might be 80 years old, right? Mm-hmm. You walk in there, either you roll in there in a wheelchair or you walk in there with a cane, with a cane. And they still might give you a hit.

SPEAKER_03 57:46

Well, if you got four, what? Yeah, they're gonna give you a hit. 80 years old, you come in there at this serving 40 years. It's not about your age. They're not looking at none of that. Man, that's what a lot of people gotta realize. They're not, they're looking at the severity of your case. This is an old 80-year-old. I don't give a fuck if you was ready to die. He's not gonna go in there and do nothing at all. Because you know, you know, at these board meetings and shit like that. Yeah, at 80, at 80, listen, listen, y'all. Yeah, listen. Listen, but still, you go in these board meetings, they're not looking at, they're just gonna look at the conduct that you did, uh, your conduct in jail for the last whatever amount of time that you was in there for, and then they're in there looking at the severity of your case. And then, say if you got two, three homicides, you and I mean hears in them uh situation. You're gonna still have family members that attend them hearings that want you to stay in there. They don't want you to make parole. They be there at them hearings and they speak. Yeah, you know what I mean. He killed my, and then not only did he kill my nephew, he killed such and such nephew, he's not ready to come home yet. They get that, not to say the judge is gonna listen to it, but they get to speak their peace. They like, yeah, because I'm my my son is lost forever. Yeah, this 30, 40 years later. You think that nigga mom still ain't coming down here to make sure you stay in there? Yeah. She's a law-abiding citizen. She ain't playing no trying to shoot you. This is the way to shoot you in your head by keeping you in there. This is her way. So, yeah, I mean, them joints be hard, bro.

SPEAKER_04 59:08

Wow. Now, what's is there any benefit in taking an open open plea?

SPEAKER_03 59:14

Um, I don't know. I don't know nothing about no, I can't really, because I'll be shooting from the hip, because that's some state shit. I ain't never heard of an open plea in the feds. Yeah, come on over here and take this open plea. I'm not saying they don't do it. I just ain't never heard of it.

SPEAKER_04 59:28

Yeah, because I heard, I heard um, anybody in the audience who know about what is it because what's the benefit of open plea if you just saying I'm just gonna plea out to the court and put my you know myself at the mercy of the court.

SPEAKER_03 59:40

And you got like that's that's like a we gotta get a state bowl of four questions.

SPEAKER_04 59:44

You got four homicides. They gonna get, they're gonna give you, they're gonna sock it to you. If you was I'm gonna give you 25 each one. But a lawyer can negotiate, look, the DA, look, all right, we're gonna 25. We're gonna go 25 each one, you let them run concurrent. You know what I'm saying? But you go in there to the judge and leave it, leave it to the judge, the judge is going to hit you with the with the four hammer. Now, dude, he gonna he gonna he go he gonna he's gonna he gonna sock it to you. Yeah. And you've seen what I mean hearse said, not to keep talking about Amin Hearst, but he said that he felt like they like they railroaded him. Not saying he he didn't have any, he well, he didn't sound like he was uh he pleaded out, said he didn't sound like he was uh had any accountability for what he did. But he said he felt like they railroad. Go back, can watch the interview. He said they felt like they railroaded him. But he but I don't think he grew up.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:37

I don't think he grew up yet. He pleaded out to that. Yeah, he pleaded out to that. And then you're talking about you don't feel like they railroaded. You killed four people, bro. You killed four people. They gave you 55 to 110. What the hell did you thought you were gonna get? He a kid, man. But what the hell is he a kid or not? You got 50, you got a chance to come home. Because they can really well let him home at his 55 year mark. He'll be 70. So what? You got a chance at life, and just you keep always doing, you're making me mad with that he'd be 70. He killed, he unalive four people that would never make it to 70. And you got you went to jail and you got a chance to come home again. A 70 piece, though? Imagine never coming home. You talking about a 70-piece, imagine never coming. He could have been in there for life, death penalty.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:23

Yeah, I guess, you know. He did the crime. You know what I mean? He did the crime, so you know you gotta you gotta sit in there and and and stick to the crime. I mean, stick to the you know the consequences behind that. I just, man, I'm just I'm just you know, every day I just pray, I just pray and be thankful that I'm not in that situation, man. You know what I mean? You can't have, you know, you know, you know, a beautiful woman.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:44

Well, nothing is that's going for the rest of your life.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:46

You can't just walk to the corner store. What's called? So you can't open a refrigerator again.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:50

Yeah, none of that. None of that, none of that, none of that, none of that. You'd never see a refrigerator, you know what I mean? You'd never, you know, like you said, take out your own trash outside or help a person. War you never walk, you never drive a car again, you never ride a bike again. We're talking about the minute stuff. You'll never shit in the privacy of your own stuff and just let this let it, you know, you gotta always do a curdery flush now. Because man, you're not doing that courtesy.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:15

You could do that when you're home too, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:17

No, but I'm just saying, I fill it up. I be at home in the crib, I be so glad I'm home that I start feeling it on my nuts and everything. That's how I fill it up. I be taking big smashes. No, dude. So I'm in there smashing. But you can't do that in jail. You can't do that. You gotta flush that joint. You could get hurt if you don't flush it.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:33

Yeah. But you can't even get um, you can't even it's like your life is over, man. So listen, y'all, young, young guys, people out there breaking life. This try to change y'all life because like you don't want to be in prison, man, for the rest of your life. There's a lot of guys who ain't coming home. A lot of women that ain't coming home either, but more so the guys is people aren't coming home ever again. Your ability to procreate, you're not gonna have no children. You know, you never go, it's just it's unfortunate. Well, I said the chances of you having children is really slim, because which call said he got his wife pregnant up there while he was locked up. Uh what's my what's the OG name, man? Um son got killed. Alright, what's my OG name, man? He could be made a baby, he made a baby in jail. He made his son in jail. Oh, Jeff Gantt. Jeff Gantt. Jeff Gantt made his son in prison. But the rules have changed now in the prison system. It's different now. You can't, the visits is different. You know, it's just it's just it's just so difficult to do anything, man. You can't even, you know, you your life is over once you once you get once you get that much time. Life is over. You can't do nothing. Yeah. It's terrible, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:43

It's terrible. Super terrible. I'm talking about, man, it's a nightmare, bro. It's a nightmare. You gotta endure that every day for the rest of your life, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:52

I want to say something too. I want to uh you know, do a quick uh announcement. Um the MCOs is back. So anybody looking to start a home care agency in uh PA, um, you can uh reach out to TNS Licensing and Consulting, man, and they will help you get up, start your own home care agency because the MCOs is back. Uh 215-234-5550. I'll be this number. Uh contact TNS Licensing and Consulting, man. Reach out to them. If you uh hit them up on on uh online as well at uh www.tns licensing and consulting.com. The MCOs is back. Start your home care agency no matter what state you're in. Um yeah, so yeah, man, just crazy, man. It's a crazy situation, man. People out here just living life reckless with a gun. And then I see so many young guys with on on videos with they just show these guns, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:45

They gotta learn by touching that pot, bro. See, they had the point that ain't no voice gonna touch them there.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:51

Now we always had guns. We wasn't like in show them. Do you think we do you think if we had like everything is more bolder and more brass or not? Do you think we had social media, we probably showed our guns? Nah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:00

Mm-mm. Because it was the slick and shot, get money. Yeah, get money and be. You don't want to guns bring police. Yeah, you want to hire them as much as you can. We'll probably been sowing coke before we threw some goddamn guns. You know what I'm saying? Even though we would I knew we wouldn't have done that, but shit. Yeah, we got a brick up here. You know, we getting some money. They up there got all the guns, and you won't see no dollars, no nothing. Everybody little dirty little niggas, a bunch of big guns.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:25

No money. Now we're talking about that the indictment with um YBC. Mm-hmm. All murders and shootings. That's it. No money. No money. All murders.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:34

Oh, no, they talk about one. They they ain't said, yeah, they was uh they ran about a 1.5 million we estimated through this block. No, they ran about 1.55,000 bullets through this block. And that's just about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:47

Hmm. That's just crazy, man. It's uh it's just unfortunate, man. Not saying that I'm I'm I wish they would have been selling drugs and doing anything, but it just wasn't no no type of financial. Nothing. And some of the guys we know that young guys that we know that's on them died. One of the guys that's really, really close to us, he's charged with three homicides.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:11

Bad, man. Not just three homicides, two shootings, and uh two attempts and two guns, and yeah, that shit just loaded up, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:20

But not all them guys majority of them guys on there is like, you know, we know a lot of them guys, man. YBC Waters, FS the Bender. It was up here on the show. Yeah, man. Uh Yap, you know, uh Kwameer, uh, Yola, all them guys, man. Not to mention the ones that got killed. Then which call is as soon as they get indicted, they kill every, they kill the other young boy. Yeah. Yeah. Coming out of this mom crib. These young boys we see in our neighborhoods are down there every day. Whenever we go into that, I see these guys. It's like, yo, and it's always respect and love. And I see them, and we talking to them, and then you and you you when you know we know somebody, right, for being a certain way. You know, not you know, and you know somebody like you know them and how they deal with you, how they see you, and how they show you love, and then you just see them being taken away in this matter, and this matter, whether it's through the prison systems or it's gun violence. Sometimes you wish you like, dang, I wish I had an opportunity to say something to him. Like, you know, what could I have said to him to probably change his mind? But sometimes you said it's already too late because the case is already being built. Mm-hmm. Yeah, man. This is unfortunate. So about to take some phone calls, man. Y'all can reach out to us. We can about to talk about it, man. For those who want to call in and speak to us, y'all know the number 215-uh 316-4492. That's 215-316-4492. You know, and shout out to my guy calling from Morocco. I mean, who over here from Morocco, man. Uh, so we got somebody uh who is here watching from Morocco. Shout out to you, man. I saw it earlier. I saw it earlier, man. So shout out to you, shout out to everybody that's in here. Dark skin beauty as usual, 215 Nitro, Diesel 18, you know, C Dollar Bills, uh, Neme 531, you know, life is good. If you let it be, shout out to you. It's a hell of a title for a name. You got uh test testm uh skis uh B7U, John Michael, um scars, Scorpio 4785, everybody that's in this chat right now. There's this uh Ibn Al-Falani. That's what I'm talking about. The Eagle Galloway. Shout out to everybody, man, that's here, man. Don't forget to hit the like button if you can. Hit the like button. You know, everybody that's in here. You know, Johnson Life302, everybody. So tell us my jelly's who you speaking with. Tell us the jails who you speaking with. You know, shout out to my guy, empath assistive care. Once again, if you're in Jersey or MPA, you need some home care. They get you right. Tell us from the jails who we speaking with. Big Shaq, 066. You know what that 066 means. That's the big homie Shaq. Salute. Mm-hmm. It's Aisha Stable, 4756. You know everybody that's in here, man. Big Facts 2483. Brainy Act 2411. Mm-hmm. Yeah, man. So y'all know number 215-316-4492, 215-316-4492. The lines is open so you can call in. Now, I'm gonna ask you another question though. Um, judges, after they're giving out all this time, right, young? Do they become immune to this this the sentencing of these births? Yes, very much so.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:59

They be down there, they be they be working until they retire. They be doing this for years.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:02

They're ready to go.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:03

They lays the job. My judge sentenced me. My judge was like, he was in his late 70s, man. Dazell Stewart. Anybody look him up? A federal judge, Dazell Stewart. Look up and pull his name up and look at all the sentences he passed down during his time as a federal judge. Tell us from the jail. So we're speaking with yeah, everybody keep hanging up. Yeah, what's going on, man? Y'all keep hanging up, man. Y'all gotta get the time, the phone time to open all the way up before y'all start talking. Mm-hmm. But yeah, that judge, you man, that judge sentenced me, man. That judge, like, I think when you get to a certain age, you shouldn't even be up there in that position no more. You know, 80, 85 years old, you start to get dementia and all types of shit, and you just up there passing out numbers. That man sat up there and gave me 420 months, like it was just taking candy from a baby. You know what I'm saying? And I I really do think that they they didn't did it so that numb to it. It's nothing, you know. The first time you gotta give a motherfucker, you know, 40 years for some crack or something. You like, damn, I'm giving him 40 years for crack. Like, even if you got a conscience, like, I'm giving him 40 years to do it in this prison system for he got caught with nine ounces of crack. Like, god damn, do the time really is it worth this? Uh tells him the jail.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:21

So he's speaking with Sapphi. Is who? Who is it? I'm sorry. What's going on with you, man? Waleika. How you feeling, man?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:32

I'm doing that.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:34

Um what's up?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:36

No, I I was watching y'all, man. I've been watching y'all four minutes too, man. Um, my brother had got locked up.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:43

When he was like 19 by the judge. Her name, I think her name was Juanita Fowl or something like that. That was way back in the 90s. And uh he sent them to uh well, my mom, she passed away, but I know he got a lot of time. I was away, I was in the service, and then um he was supposed to have got like life, but then I looked at she gave me his paperwork before she passed. They had like 35 years and all that old stuff like that on there. So that's that's a terrible thing, man, to put a brother through and all that. You know what I mean? Very, very Yeah, man. So I just called to talk about that for a minute, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:27

All right, well, man, let's appreciate the call, man. Enjoy your night, man. Stay safe and stay free, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:31

All right, y'all too.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:35

Yeah, 215-316-4492. I'm trying to get this young lady to come up here one day, man, and tell her story, man. You know, it's a beautiful young lady. She has a beautiful story. And uh, I've been trying to get her to get her to do it, but she's just been um spinning me and spinning me and spinning me. You know, I ain't gonna say her name, but she's just been spending us. She has a beautiful story, a real interesting story about serving time. You know, if y'all seen her, y'all wouldn't even think she did a lot of time, but I keep trying to get her to come up here and tell her story. But one day we're gonna get her one day. One day we're gonna get her up here. Um, but yeah, the phone line is open 215-316-4492, 215-316-4492. As we move into um, you know, the summertime. As we know, summertime it gets hot, it's night, it's nice outside, everybody outside. And with that, there's a lot of guns out here, a lot of young boys is shooting up stuff, and a lot of people just shooting up for no reason. Why don't we just try to enjoy the summer? People only want to take their kids to cookouts, people only want to go certain places because there's something always happening. Why is it that we gotta shoot things up? Why is it we gotta have gun violence? You go to any other place in uh any other community outside of the African-American community, and nobody's shooting up no cookouts, man, and no, you know, no events. Nobody's not doing it. Why do we gotta do that? Why is it the first thing we see? We better go to the cookout. We gotta take the joint with us. We was the same way, but we're more on protection. But it's like, why is it that we gotta have guns with us everywhere we go? And the young person.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:15

It's the state. It's the state that everybody in, man. I'm talking about everybody packing guns, man. I see stuff pop up on my feet, man. Little fender bender. You can't even bump a person by accident in your car. It could be really a little accident without worried about getting shot in your damn head.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:31

A 15-year-old boy, I think in New York, was it Queens, I believe, at the basket of a court, like I spoke about earlier. They bullying this kid, smacking him, smacking. Another kid, the smacking him wasn't enough, hitting him was enough. He had to pull a gun out and put it to his face and shoot him with it and shoot him and kill him. Mm-hmm. And now, not only is the kid's life is lost that got killed, his lip's life's life. That was senseless killing. And you can go in there and cry in court and you know, and say you didn't want to do it and want to meet.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:03

Turn back the hands of time. No, you ain't gonna be able to do that today, buddy. Not today. Mm-mm. R. Kelly won't help you out of that spot.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:12

What's the point of doing that? That was that was not that that was no R. Kelly song. That's not like the bum in front of the delis. That's R.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:20

Kelly, man. I could turn back the hands of time.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:22

How'd that go again?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:23

Y'all know, y'all heard that. Yeah, yes, yes. I heard it a lot. I loved I used to be running the track and uh of uh in jail. If I I sung the same song, can turn, turn back the yeah, no, it wasn't no turning nothing back.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:36

Yeah, okay. I didn't know that R. Kelly, well, I'm just assuming he ain't sound like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:40

No, probably not, but I made up my own damn song with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:44

Yeah. Uh 215-316-4492. That's 215-316-4492. What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:54

77 UE 777. I don't know. 777, you know what I'm talking about. But yeah, we're definitely we'll definitely bring civilians up here because civilians matter too. They go through it more so than probably the one that's in there because of all, especially if they locked in. They're depleting their stuff to take care of somebody that's in jail. Yeah, and then don't let you have numerous years and they really own it. Yes, they yes, we would definitely have uh we have a couple civilians up here already.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:22

And they said that wasn't that wasn't R. Kelly. Tell us from the jail. So we're speaking with what's up with everybody hanging up, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:33

Mr. Kelly? Yeah, but they call him Mr. Kelly now, not R. Kelly.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:36

Oh, yeah? Why don't we call him? Why take the R off?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:38

I don't know why they did that. That's what they said.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:42

That'd be huge. As soon as he comes home, he'd learned a whole lot. Trying to get him on a visit. He didn't fez down, Fez know why he do that because we're in the Tell us in the jails, we speaking with. Who does that? Tell us from Jell's we speaking with.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:56

Yeah, but they're going youth together again.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:59

Yo, what's up, man? How you doing? Can you turn the TV down just a little bit or turn down the um the device? We can hear is real loud in the back. And what's going on, man? Shout out to the Bronx.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:06

What's going on, bro? I just had a question, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:09

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:10

So like when uh when a when a young dude went, like when they kill like a kid or something, like like a baby, like in this instance, this young kid, he killed the other kid on the basketball court, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:22

When they get to jail, what is their first experience like? Like what they gotta go through?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:27

They gotta go through a lot. They gotta go through, uh, you know, from my understanding, they gotta go through the whole process of uh of being processed into the prison system, and then they gotta get get to a block. Now, if depending on the age, they go to a juvenile facility or they go to an adult facility. You know, just depending on how old they are.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:44

And now this is like what that first night is like though, like I mean, for the kid like for a kid, I mean, I'm not gonna.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:51

Well, I could tell you how the first night was for me, and I was booked with two homicides, and I was 18, ready to be 18 years old, 17 years old, 97 going to 98. I was I I was dumb. I was arrogant. I thought it was like a badge of honor. I'm like, I'm gonna beat this. I'm gonna, I'm, I'm gonna, I, and I ain't, yeah, I mean, I don't know, it was it wasn't no shame or guilt there. I wasn't like I was nervous about where I'm going because it's jail, but I thought it was like a badge of honor. That's how I was 17, 18 years, that's the mentality I had, and I had two homicides.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:26

So you wasn't scared of nine, like you was in there like, like you gonna get out of there with cool homicide?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:31

No, I thought no, no, me and my celly used to play games with I had a celly, man. Shout out Pentail Mel, stand up, man. Uh, and Mel had one homicide, I had two homicides, and we used to tell each other in there, like, yo, one of us ain't going home, man. So whoever go home, and uh, he used to be like, well, shit, I'm going home, you ain't. I'll be like, shit, I'm going home, you ain't. But we knew it was the chance of one of us not going home, if not both of us. Yeah, this is the games we used to play. We was 17, 18 years old, man. Sad to say, but it's the truth.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:00

Nah, that's crazy. Yeah. I just got that question, bro. That's I could have been on my mind. Like, what's the first night they gotta go through?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:07

Like how it is, like what's the most is like yeah, but everybody got it's it's different strokes for different folks, but that's well, you know, my mentality.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:15

All right, all right. All right, I I hear y'all. All right. All right, man. Thank you, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:21

Shout out to the Bronx, shout out to the whole NY. Yeah, man. That's just a that's just a crazy situation, man. But that that first night of being in jail, you laying in that bed. I remember like I ain't had no serious charges, but I remember laying in the bed like that joint laying in the bed of the jail in the cell, and you and there with somebody else, and you just in that joint, like they cut the lights out, and you lay back in that in that in that horror behind bed with that sheet, and you just lay in there. Horrible. No phone, no none. Horrible. That's John. Yeah, man. You like, damn, I'm in this junk book. So yeah, y'all, man. I want to thank everybody for tuning in, man. The phone line is so open. We're gonna give y'all another two minutes or so to whoever wanna call in. 215-316-4492. That's 215-316-4492. We want to hear from y'all. We want to talk to y'all, man. Want to, you know, answer some questions, man. So phone lines is open, man. 215-316-4492. Yeah, man. Just unfortunate. Shout out to Slim789, man. Appreciate you. Shout out to everybody in the chat. Don't forget, if you're able to become a member, please become a member. We appreciate all the support. You know, any and everyone who's sharing the video, liking the video, you know, reaching out to us. Don't forget to follow us on all platforms, TikTok, Instagram as well. And um, we do have to have the this episode will be live where you can, I'm sorry, will be available for you to watch it again tomorrow. And also, for those who can't really who don't have time watching the full video, the clips will be available, available part one through part five, or however we decide to do it. But it will be available for you to watch it, you know, um, you know, in parts as well. So, yeah, I want to thank everybody for tuning in, man. Thank everybody for reaching out to us. Anything you want to say, young?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:13

Oh man, stay free, man. Stay free. Man, we up here is bringing you a warming rate. Okay. Hold on, hold up. We got one.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:21

Tell some of the jails who's speaking with. DC kill my mother, Mo.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:29

What's up with y'all, man?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:30

Chilling, man. What's up with you, man?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:32

Hey, I just go to the end of the show. I just had a tap in, let y'all know. Tuning in at alarming rate.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:38

I appreciate that, man. Thank you, man. Sure. Put the guys on, man. Put all the guys down there on, man. We'll be down there to DC to interview the guys. Put the guys on.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:48

We we wait here for y'all, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:49

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:51

I got it's more like a statement. Probably an unpopular opinion. But a lot of times I be listening and then like Black just said it, like niggas be getting 40 years for like dealing drugs and like drugs be feeling bad for giving niggas time. But I feel like if niggas earn that shit, they deserve everything they did. Like if you y'all hear me? Y'all hear me. Alright. If you if you uh if you earn what you did, you gotta take the time to do that shit. It's like niggas be complaining about the time they get, and niggas get all remorseful once they're in jail. But you out in the community, terrorizing the community, robbing pedestrians, niggas is robbing old ladies, like doing the most craziest tribes, and then they get into jail, niggas like, oh, freedom. Like, nah, keep them niggas in there. They want to be in there, wanna be outside, not conducting themselves like normal citizens. It's a place for y'all. Like, you gotta go to jail. You out there killing niggas and doing all this crazy shit. It's a place for y'all, man. It definitely is up in there.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:01

Yeah, well.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:17

We respect your opinion, man, man. Shout out to DC, man. Yeah, we sure will, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:24

Stop asking them crazy questions of black, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:30

Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:31

Appreciate y'all. Keep doing y'all thing. Y'all tuning in at a long way.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:35

Oh, enjoy your night, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:38

It's another call, come on.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:39

Tell us to jail as we speak with My Jay. What's up, Jay? What's up? What you mean, where you calling from?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:47

Jersey.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:47

Shout out to Jersey. What's up, bro?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:50

What's going on? I just got a question. It's for the it's for the like the youth that's out there that's probably listening to it. I just wanted to see what y'all answer though. Um what would y'all say to like the young brothers that's out there that just don't know like a lot of people just doing what they doing 'cause they don't know that that they could just be doing something else. Like they just think within the uh environment stuff that they doing is it's what's the only thing that they they could do. You know what I'm saying? Like how like they literally don't know that they could do you know what I'm saying? They just don't know. Like they think they have to do that. And they don't gotta be like toting guns, it could just be telling drugs. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:38

Yeah, yeah, I totally understand, man. That's a that's a good that's a good question, man. I think that a lot of times, man, I think kids sometimes in the beginning they they don't really understand in the beginning. But I think once, you know, you once you get a certain age, man, you understand right from wrong, man. Like everybody knows you know it's not right to kill somebody for no reason because somebody posts a picture or you got a problem with somebody, you want to shoot somebody in their face and they and you want to kill somebody for, you know what I'm saying, over a post or over a comment, you want to go and kill them. You gotta know that's wrong, man. You gotta know it's wrong, especially if you if if you history tells you that if you kill this person, you're gonna go to jail. That right there alone tells you that it's wrong. Why you want to kill somebody with something that they said? That's just, you know, but the kids, everybody try to justify what they're doing until they are behind the prison walls, serving a life sentence. Then they realize that all the people that was beefing with, that's alive, that's that's in jail with them, now they're up there being becoming friends and learning how to respect one another up there in jail. So it's just it's unfortunate they gotta learn how to how to be respectful behind the prison wall when they could have had cordial out here and ironed certain things out and avoided certain situations while they was out here. But it's just it's just unfortunate, man. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:55

It's really like just for your response. What could you what could you tell to like young brothers or the young men, period? A lot of it'd be it'd be it'd be people that'd be like 30 years old still in the streets as well. What could you tell the people that to to make them understand that like all right, we all we all born improvements, so that's just what it is. That's just our car. So a lot of stuff we go through. But it's okay because 'cause that's how we're we know that's just high power. So a lot of people don't understand that it's it's okay to hide phases in your life, but to move on from phases. People were living that same thing for ten years, and that's how you got people 30 years old still doing shit that 17 years old doing. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:47

Mm-hmm. Yeah, they still be in the you ever heard that song by Nas, they're in the second childhood. Mm-hmm. Like the young dudes, them heat they want to be like, you know what I mean? They still what's say uh uh ex-convict, uh ex-convict, you know, parole to his mom's crib, still hanging guy the crew, break his mom furniture, watching comic review. They they still just live in the life of just of a kid, and then sometimes they look at the young guy coming up and they want to be like him. You know, they still committing law, but committing crime and breaking law, man. And a lot of those dudes, a lot of those older dudes be the ones that tell too.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:21

They tell?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:21

They tell. They they they become uh they snitch when something happens, they always tell.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:27

Because they realize they realize that that they they they're not young anymore, and and the sentence that they about to get is going to be devastating to their life. So they end up telling. Um, I've seen it happen so many times.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:38

So what would you second for for them to like let them know like it's okay to have phases of your life, but to to grow through the phases, not staying that one phone.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:49

I mean, uh uh my advice would be to anybody, I'll just say this my advice would be to anyone out there, you know, no matter how old you are, you know, 17, 18, 19, 20, 30, whatever. 40, 50. Think before you make these certain decisions because this decision that you make is going to be life-changing. Because if you commit a crime like shooting, robbery, these type of, you know, murder, these type of crimes are going to be detrimental to your life, meaning that you're going to do some a substantial amount of time. 10 years or better. You know what I'm saying? A lot of time. You're going to do a lot of time. If you can't do this time, then just stop right now. If you don't want to do 10, 15, 20 years, or life in prison, stop. Just stop. Just go ahead and just go get you a job. Leave the streets alone. Because it's going to happen at some point. You keep, you know, you keep playing around in them streets, you're going to go to jail for a very long time. But we thank you, man, for calling in, man. Appreciate your call, man. I want to tell you, man, uh, to enjoy your night, man. Stay safe, stay free. And uh don't forget to uh you know uh spread positivity, man, because you know uh positivity builds unity, man. You know?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:00

Yeah, absolute, salute.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:02

All right, man, be good, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:04

You too, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:06

Yeah, positivity, you know, uh building unity, and unity destroys poverty. Tell us from the jails, who you speaking with?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:15

Uh my name's Brill.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:17

Brill, what's up, man? Where you calling from?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:20

I'm calling from North.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:21

North Philly? North with the North with the F, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:26

What's going on, man?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:28

Man, I just called again uh flowers, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:31

Appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:31

I'm 24. Y'all put me on something.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:35

Yeah, man. Shout out to you, man. You know, you know, because you young, man, you you have all the potential in the world to be anything you want to be, man. You still 20, you're 24 years old, man. If I was you, I'm gonna give you some advice.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:48

What my pop been booked for like 20, like for for like since I was born, probably like probably when I was like one. I don't got no memory of no vivid memories. But I done beat all the odds, bro. Mom on drugs, you feel me? Thank God she overcame that, but you feel me. I done graduated college, I'm about to go back to the industry, get my master, you feel me? Shit like that. And I just want I just wanted to call unless you're and like unless whoever listened, like all the young boys, you feel me? I ain't gotta be in the streets, like to get girls and none of that. Like, I done got I got everything, bro. Like, I got everything I want, bro. And I'm a college student, like honor society, all that crazy stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:26

You feel me? That's what's up, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:28

Do what you gotta do, you feel me?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:29

Yeah, shout out to you, man. You know, and a lot of young guys probably listening in need to hear that, man. You know, keep pushing the needle uh and and and to be successful, and make sure you uh surround yourself with good people. You know, that's just my advice to you, even with what you do on the positive note. Make sure you surround yourself with good people. You know what I mean? Because it's some snakes in the corporate world as well. So be careful, man. All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:49

No, thanks. I'm already annoying. I appreciate that, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:52

No problem, man. Enjoy your night, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:54

You too, bro. Y'all be safe.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:55

You too. Yeah, man. So we about to get up out of here. I want to thank everybody for tuning in, everybody for being a part of the Tell Smith Jills movement. Don't forget to follow us on all platforms. You know, uh, don't forget to uh to support us by becoming a member if you're able to subscribe to the channel. Don't forget to hit the like button. Anything you want to say before we go about here?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:12

Stay free. We'll be back into y'all tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:14

Stay free, stay safe, stay out of trouble, and unity destroys uh poverty. Let's stay positive, y'all.