SHAMAR MIDTOWN SCOTT: TALES FROM THE JAILS LIVE!!!

TALES FROM THE JAILS LIVE!!! Shamar Midtown Scott called to talk about what lead him to serving time in prison. He also spoke about the difficulties of servicing time in a supermax prison.

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SPEAKER_07 3:13

Welcome everybody to another episode of Tells from the Jails. We're here live in Parkinson's USA. TNS Media Group is a team and a family. Once again, that's Pod Rooms USA. TNS Media Group is a team and a family. Welcome everybody to the show. Once again, I'm accounting departments at Raheem Jackson. How are you feeling today, man?

SPEAKER_08 3:31

I'm good today, man. It's Monday, man. We're here.

SPEAKER_07 3:34

Yeah, we got we you know, we was out last week, you know, due to some some some uh urgent matters, but we're back here on the on this Monday. It's nice outside, you know. You see the cops flying past, work uh swerving around traffic, ambulances out there. When you know, people don't know how to act, man.

SPEAKER_08 3:51

When the heat is out, the meat is out. Not on duty. Well, yeah, you mean not on duty there. A lot of y'all, man, you know, just because the weather is breaking, the weather is breaking for you to go outside and enjoy yourself, man, with family, friends, man. I'm not telling you not to not to do nothing to stay at home and keep your mouth shut. No, I'm not saying that. Enjoy your life, man.

SPEAKER_07 4:07

But your phone calling, man. You're gonna not turn out, turn out the mute phone.

SPEAKER_08 4:13

Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I thought. Yeah, um, but yeah, uh, like I was saying, man, with the heat, with the heat, man, enjoy the weather, man. Nobody gotta go out here and act a fool and young man, control yourself, man. Young adults, man, grown adults, control yourself. Because guess what? It's a lot of us ain't gonna be here next summer. It's a lot of us not gonna be, and that's the fact, man. That's the fact. It's a lot of us that's not gonna be here, man. And it all depends on how you conduct yourself, man. You know, other than that, man, the things that you can control, control it, man. Things that's outside of your hand, let it go. Let it go, man. And that's just real stuff, man.

SPEAKER_07 4:45

Shout out to uh Messiah, John Michael, 716 Deuce, you know, uh Dirty Cash Entertainment. You got uh Miles Overton, 2949, solo by uh solo B Bye Boy. Hope I'm saying that right. Uh, you got uh Turk, Turkey Bands 215, you know, the whole squad here, and it's got and more to come now on duty. But so uh we got a special guest today, man. Is he is he online already? Uh yes, we got we got a guest, we got someone calling in, man. What an amazing story is gonna be calling us here today to uh to kind of you know share their story. But I just want to go back to something that we were talking about earlier. Um, not so not so long ago. We were talking about um you know the weather's changing, you know, the cops is out there, you know. I don't know, we was at a restaurant today and all we saw was the cops flying past. Um why is it that when it gets nice, it's like the violence turns up. Everybody's outside.

SPEAKER_08 5:44

When it's cold outside, you really ain't seeing nobody. You ain't seeing your ops. If you do have ops, they say ops. Uh it's just when it's nice out, what I gotta say, when the heat is out, the meat is out now. Everybody is outside. Kids, grownups, everybody, you know, it's a good, it's a good feeling, man. It's good like I'm just talking to you today about taking a vacation down in Virginia. You don't want to take no vacation to a little nice little cabin house and woods. I want to be out in the woods with the flies and the nets. I'm a nature boy. I can't do that in the wintertime. So some of the fishing active, everybody wanna do something when it starts to get hot outside. So then you're seeing more people than you would see uh if it was wintertime. Okay, we got this call ready to call in. Y'all get ready, get tuned, man. Hello?

SPEAKER_07 6:30

Did you answer it? Hello? You on the line? Is the check to see if the phone's turned up over there?

SPEAKER_02 6:38

30.

SPEAKER_07 6:39

Oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

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SPEAKER_03 6:48

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SPEAKER_08 6:51

Yo, yo, Asalaam, while they come out.

SPEAKER_05 6:54

Wadi come salam or uh I want to thank you for calling into the podcast, man.

SPEAKER_08 7:03

Again, this is a podcast of Tells from Jels, man. We uh we don't glorify jail and we do not, you know, wear this as a badge of honor, but we bring these guests up here, man, to give you real life experiences. So you may not, if you haven't been through it, you may not have to go through it. But um, yeah, go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience, man, and to the fans that's watching live, man. Uh your name and where you're from, man.

SPEAKER_05 7:25

Yeah, man. It's Nedtown Mooker, man. I'm from Atlantic City. I'm locked up. I just I got locked up for a Rico indictment and a murder for hunger. I lost trial. They gave me 45 years, but I'm standing tall though.

SPEAKER_08 7:41

45 years. They sentenced you to 45 years. All right, let's let's rewind this, man, because I want you to give the people a little insight on who you was, man. Uh, tell us about little things, man. Whatever you can explain or whatever you can cannot explain, you keep to yourself or whatever. But uh it's a lot of people just watching and want to hear your story. But tell us a little bit about you, man, before you got uh locked up for the Rico. What led up to you getting locked up to the Zurico?

SPEAKER_05 8:04

Yeah, I was an aspiring rapper. I was trying to rap, trying to get off the ground with this rap shit. But in the meantime, I was knee deep in the streets, selling drugs, all the stuff that come with that, and all the stuff that comes with the lifestyle. We ended up getting wrapped up in a big indictment. They grabbed a couple million dollars, seized a couple million dollars, a lot of property, she's some good men, and I got caught up in that in the meantime. But other than that, I'm style, I'm Muslim from Atlantic City. I'm one of the last that extended world was out of my city.

SPEAKER_07 8:40

Uh this tough. Um, so you know, you from Atlantic, you so so this case was caught in Atlantic City as well?

SPEAKER_05 8:48

Yeah, this case was caught in Atlantic County, the whole county uh that surrounds Atlantic City. But um, this case particularly, the murder was was caught in Atlantic City. It happened allegedly next door to the mayor's house.

SPEAKER_07 9:01

Oh, next to the mayor's house, the mayor, mayor, wow. So um now, this case, did you plea out to this to this deal or did they find you guilty? What was which one was it?

SPEAKER_05 9:13

I went to trial. I went to trial on the murder. Right before I went to trial on the murder, it just they dismissed the record here charges and all that and trial me on the murder. While I was on trial on the murder, you know, they be playing foul in the courtroom. Um, I start having issues with Brady. If people don't understand where um Brady is, is when you don't receive your fourth discovery and you and you're not aware of the stuff that was going on in your case. I I found out about a lot of stuff that was going on in my case during trial.

SPEAKER_07 9:47

So now, this incident, I mean, I don't know what you can talk about about the incident. I'm I'm I'm not sure if you are looking to appeal this sentence at some point. So we gotta be real careful. But I want to ask you now, is this something you're looking to appeal? The sentence?

SPEAKER_05 10:01

Absolutely. I'm on the appeal process right now. Okay, everybody that was sticking with me, my family members, my man, four court prejudice on Instagram. That's my man Type. That's my that's my heart man. They made sure I went to trial with two lawyers. They put up a big fight. It's gonna be the same thing on this appeal situation. Um, this murder actually that took place, the um state alleged that it was a murder for higher state alleged that I cast a check for $50,000, which is false information. They're saying it became from a rival beef between two drug organizations. But um, when when the trial came during it being to the fact that that was the mayor's friend, they try to clean the story up during the trial and trying to make it seem like everything was just like guy was a good guy and he was a grievance guy. His son was killed on Black Friday in 2016 in the mall in the county of Atlanta County and Mayor's Land in Hamilton Mall. So a lot of stuff in the current from that. That's what that recall stemmed from.

SPEAKER_07 11:09

Wow. So uh, all right, so this alleged, well, this alleged murder that you being charged with was uh happened um next door to the mayor's house. Um so I'm just trying to figure out a way to go with this. Now, you you being charged for this murder. Now, when did you know that you was on the run for this situation? And you know, um, when did you know that they they were looking for you in regards to this?

SPEAKER_05 11:33

See, I got locked up. Um couple times. They they followed me in my city. Um when I got locked up, I got locked up with a firearm, some dog food, and some money.

SPEAKER_07 11:58

Explain to the people what dog food is for those who don't know.

SPEAKER_05 12:02

Oh, yeah, for those that don't know what dog food is, it's heroin.

SPEAKER_07 12:06

All right, so so they so they was following you. You was already you were already um being uh under investigation before an other incidents, I believe, or or whatever case was uh maybe you were under investigation. So they were looking for you. So uh when did they pick you up uh uh initially for um you know this crime?

SPEAKER_05 12:25

Oh, for the homicide. See, I got locked up for that. I jumped out of the car, took them on a little foot chase, I passed out, I got locked up. When I was got locked up, I had to go back and finish the parole violation. So I was released for the dog food and the gun. By the time um when the when I finished my parole violation, my family, one of my friends of the family was outside of the jail to pick me up. I made it to the front of the jail, and then the sheriff was there, and they said I had a judicial order. When I got left to the county, they were saying that I needed to see the judge. By the time I got another court needed to see the judge, my case dropped. This case right here.

SPEAKER_07 13:06

What you mean it dropped? I mean it it went into meaning they they charged you.

SPEAKER_05 13:10

Yeah, they charged me.

SPEAKER_07 13:12

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 13:13

Six months after I was locked up.

SPEAKER_07 13:15

So they came they came uh to the prison and and and took you down and and charged you?

SPEAKER_05 13:21

Yeah, they took me to the county jail. They pulled me down. We was already hearing rumors that an indictment was coming, but uh they ended up taking me and and 29 others and charged us with a RECO offense.

SPEAKER_07 13:35

All right, describe because you know a lot of times people this happens a lot, right? People people are um on the run for other things or incarcerated for other things, and they end up going to jail, and then ultimately um you know you get the feds who sometimes get involved, or even just the state they'll get involved, and they maybe have may have an indictment of some sort that's uh pending. So describe for us that morning, or when did they come get you? Was it at night? Was it in the morning? When did they come uh pick you up and charge you?

SPEAKER_05 14:03

It was early in the morning. They they um put my they put I was on a pile with a few of my co-defenders. They put their pictures out, they went down there and received their charges. I was just offering do while like, man, I hope this don't drop on me. But they had a press conference, so I was already aware. So I just got up, I just had to hold my head up high, went down there, signed my papers, my charges, went back to my unit. I ain't gonna lie, I was a little stressed out about it because I was unaware, I was trying to figure out how was I being charged with a homicide that took place two years prior to me being charged with this.

SPEAKER_07 14:43

So they come get you in the morning, early in the morning, and you already said your your your uh your your code deeds that already went down, but you was just hoping that they just didn't come and pick you up for it. Um now, after they well, what did they say to you when they brought you down uh to charge you? What kind of questions was it asking you?

SPEAKER_05 15:03

Man, they know how I'm coming already. I don't answer no questions. I get real disrespectful, so I just held my head up with a smile. I don't answer questions.

SPEAKER_07 15:12

For those who don't know, a lot of times, because we we're not glorifying breaking law, glorifying prison, um, but there are some people that's gonna break law, some people that's gonna that's gonna end up going to prison. Um, how important is it for people to be quiet when they get questioned?

SPEAKER_05 15:26

It's very important for you to be quiet. If you catch a criminal offense, it's very important for you to be quiet because ten times out of ten, they're gonna use that again. It doesn't matter. You're gonna either incriminate yourself or someone else. And then when it's time, they're gonna use that against you, and there's gonna be no way around it. Unless respect unless they gave you your um they didn't random you.

SPEAKER_07 15:53

Wow. Because you know, like I said, a lot of people go in there and these and and they make the you know situation worse for themselves by by actually talking, but you ended up being quiet and keeping your mouth shut. Now, how long was you on trial? Um how long how long were you um in the county or how long were you waiting um to go to trial?

SPEAKER_05 16:13

I did almost four and a half years in the county jail until I went to trial.

SPEAKER_07 16:20

Dang. Wow. Now which which case is first? Was it the murder case first or the Rico uh case first?

SPEAKER_05 16:30

You said what case over high part of me.

SPEAKER_07 16:32

No, no, what what case what case did you uh um uh end up losing first? Was it the Rico case or the or the murder case?

SPEAKER_05 16:40

Yeah, right. I forty-eight hours before I started trial, they came back and said disregard the Rico counts. So they just tried me on the murder. I would I found my trial papers under that punch, and I was going to trial for Rico and murder together. But they severed that and disregarded that and then just sent me to trial on the murder.

SPEAKER_07 17:01

So during this murder trial, right? Or, you know, you know, well leading up to the murder trial, a lot of times people don't really understand. Like a lot of the young guys or people out here who just committing who breaking law in general, a lot of times people don't understand that if you commit a murder, it's a big chance you're gonna sit in jail for two years, maybe even longer, at least two years, waiting to fight this murder trial. So it's gonna be two years off of your life.

SPEAKER_05 17:31

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 17:31

When loser draw, you're gonna lose two years of your life. Just just just waiting to fight a case. Um, how stressful is that, just waiting and waiting and waiting to end up going to trial uh for a murder trial, such as this to where your life is on the line?

SPEAKER_05 17:48

The biggest thing is the fear of not knowing what's going on. See, when you're in the type of situation, that's treacherous environment. So you have to worry about your friends breaking on you, you have to worry about your family members leaving you. Like I lost a lot doing this. I lost a lot of friends that was murdered. They either stopped dealing with me or they got murdered or they got arrested. So support system starts falling off.

SPEAKER_07 18:14

Wow. So since you went in, I mean that just just to kind of explain how many people you thought was in your corner be when you first went in, opposed to who who's those or those who are still still there now.

SPEAKER_05 18:28

When I first went in, I had a majority of my Instagram followers in my corner. Wow.

SPEAKER_07 18:39

Wow. How many Instagram followers you had?

SPEAKER_05 18:44

I when I got in, I had 10 point two K.

SPEAKER_07 18:47

Dang. So you went from ten 10,000 to 10 people.

SPEAKER_05 18:52

Yes, in other words.

SPEAKER_07 18:54

Damn. That's a hell of a drop off, man. So now you end up going to trial for this murder. Right? Did you have a lawyer?

SPEAKER_05 19:04

Yes, I had two lawyers. Shout out to Dave Behort from Philadelphia. Um, and shout out to Joseph Witella from Philadelphia. Cool counsel.

SPEAKER_07 19:13

So who paid for these lawyers for you?

SPEAKER_05 19:17

My boy paid for my lawyers. I put up money for my lawyer, my mother, my family members. A lot of people pushed in, but during the end of the time, it only went down to my mother and my man Titan.

SPEAKER_07 19:31

Now let's get to this trial, man. Well, first of all, let's talk about mom. Because I know, you know, um, we all we all have mothers a lot, you know. Excuse me. Or some people may have lost their mothers. And uh, but how important is it, you know, for you having your mother with you going through whatever you were going through? And is your mother still around at this time?

SPEAKER_05 19:51

Yes, my mother's still around at that time. That's the most stressful thing. See, my mom, she thorough, she she understands what's going on. She and my cornerback and my play 100%. She was there every day of my time. I didn't really have a struggle financially in there, it's just emotionally because she I'm our first son. So she's missing me. I'm the missing piece to the puzzle.

SPEAKER_07 20:14

Now let's get to this trial, man. How long how long did the trial last?

SPEAKER_05 20:19

I was on trial for three weeks.

SPEAKER_07 20:23

Wow. And how many was there any witnesses that may have been close to you, friends, any co-defendants that that switched up, that told, or what was going on?

SPEAKER_05 20:33

I definitely had court offenders that told, but being I had a severance being as though he was a co-defendant, so he made an incorporatory statement that that I couldn't confront him because he has one minute remaining. He wasn't standing all the way on. I'm calling right back.

SPEAKER_07 20:50

That's cool, it's cool. We we let's let's let's let's let's go. So I so so you had so thank you for using go.

SPEAKER_08 20:57

See, I want the audience, man, the family that's out there that's paying attention, man. Really pay attention, man. And the kids is out there that's watching this, man. This is real live talk, man. This boy is in there, man. All his friends left. All them dudes you out there rocking with. We bring you this to not the I'm not not just me telling you from being here with my brother. This man is calling from Trenton State Prison with 45 years in, excuse me, to do with six and on it. Ain't nobody gonna be there. That nigga that you was rocking with you right here, man. And I'm not saying everybody, because you got some minutes to, but the majority, they gonna get with you on the back block. They gonna get with you, and that's just it, man. This man is ready to call back and finish the complete of his story, man. But it's sad, man. He got sitting there, hopefully he gets some rhythm. You know, I don't know if he did it or not. You know, you evidently he got found guilty, so they say he did it or whatever. But look what you gotta go through when you go through the life of crime, man, of doing stuff crazy, man. Is it worth it? That's the question. Is it really worth it?

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SPEAKER_07 22:37

No, no, it's cool, man. It's cool. This is this is this is a real live, this is a visual fact, uh, you know, of what can happen to your visual and uh what's it audio fact that with what can happen uh to people that's um you know um you know in the streets and and and not being mindful of other situations, man. And and you know, and I I'm assuming you with this case and you going through this, there were some things that you felt though as though, you know, not saying that you're guilty in the situation, but there were some things that you feel like you you that you had control over that you may have neglected. You know what I'm saying? There may be some things that you didn't take take uh you know serious. And and then go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 23:19

First and foremost, this is though we're raising awareness. The main issue is it's people, places, and things. A lot of guys get caught up into the alarm light, and to what the people in the streets think about you, so you'll start playing the streets as if it's a sport when it's not a sport. You get what I'm saying? Because the outcome is not gonna equal up to what you put into it.

SPEAKER_07 23:43

Wow. Let's get to this trial, though. Let's get to the trial because you know the trial You went for three weeks, 15 days. Yeah, three weeks, you three weeks you in there fighting, rumbling, rumbling for your life. For your life, not rumbling for a knife for your life. And you mentioned that you had some code D's that that kind of flipped on this on this case, correct?

SPEAKER_05 24:05

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 24:06

And was these any of your close friends, somebody that you that you knew that was you know close to you, or just somebody that you just saw in passing?

SPEAKER_05 24:14

This was a baby bro. Like this somebody like, listen, he told he mixed for 158 pages. I read 40 of them and I couldn't even read no more. Well, why I haven't read it to this day.

SPEAKER_08 24:28

Hold on, hold on. Let me let me let me let me cut you off. Let me cut you off for a second. What did you say he did? What for a hundred how many pages? 158 pages. Of testimony.

SPEAKER_05 24:40

Of testimony. Multiple D's. He was in there asking them for uh McDonald's. They was bringing them food, he was arguing with them about the food that he don't want. He said he wanted tickets to Lex, they wasn't even selling them no more.

SPEAKER_07 24:56

Damn.

SPEAKER_08 24:59

Oh, my eyes.

SPEAKER_07 25:00

How'd you feel seeing him? Did you know did you know he was gonna tell before he went to trial, or you just found out during trial that he was that he told that he turned on you?

SPEAKER_05 25:08

I felt that out earlier. See, look, it's crazy. He got locked up with three firearms. When he got locked up, this was two years prior to this. He told him that all the firearms was mine, but they never charged me. So he kept going back and get making statements. Making statements trying to, he was blaming the murder on different people trying to get out to jail. They were trying to get him to wear a wire on me, but he was telling them that I'm not stupid. If you wear a wire on me, something's gonna happen to him. So he never wore the wire. So after that, I'm home the whole time. I'm sending him pictures, sent me money. I'm not I'm I'm oblivious to what was going on. Then when we got charged with this, I ended up finding out, like, and I read it. I didn't read all the papers until later on down the line, but I read that one statement. I got with my co-defended, he when I got with him, he showed me he just he just laid it out. We was in the same room, he put all the paper on the desk. Like, oh, read this. I read that, I didn't even get to finish reading it. I didn't even read one fourth. I wanted to throw up.

SPEAKER_07 26:13

Mm-hmm. Mm-mm. So the trial start now is because of this, I know it get worse. So you the trial start, and he and you saw did he walk out and come up um and take the stair?

SPEAKER_05 26:25

Well, the trial trial started, he and the county getting tortured, he's getting his hair put in the toilet, he got his dreadlocks cut off, he got beat with slippers, he got dead bags, so at this point, you don't want to cooperate with them. He wanna actually take ownership of the crime and do your time for it.

SPEAKER_07 26:45

Damn, so he never came out, he never came out and testified against you.

SPEAKER_05 26:49

Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_07 26:50

So what it did they use his his testimony or statements uh against you in court?

SPEAKER_05 26:56

Indirectly.

SPEAKER_07 26:58

Wow. So was there any other witnesses that came out the uh to um testify against you uh besides him?

SPEAKER_05 27:07

The mayor of Atlantic soon got on his hand and testified. He ran the movie with them. He he played against he played with their movie as a star actor.

SPEAKER_07 27:15

So what did he what did he say about you? Who was the mayor to speak about you?

SPEAKER_05 27:20

He actually didn't say anything about me, but it wasn't really nothing about me, but he explained the events that happened that night. At one point in time, he was saying he wasn't gonna cooperate. He actually said that that somebody was an eyewitness. They seen that. When we got on the stand, he started fumbling up. He was saying that he didn't say that. But then when he tried to change up what he said, he's saying that's not what he said, he tried to change the whole bit of words into it.

SPEAKER_07 27:46

Wow. Wow. And this is the mayor. And I'm pretty sure the courtroom, I'm pretty sure that the courtroom was in it was in pandemonium. I'm pretty I'm pretty sure that the courtroom was packed at this time, right?

SPEAKER_05 27:58

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 28:00

And so the mayor, the mayor goes up there, right? What was going through your mind when you first seen the mayor? Come take the stand.

SPEAKER_05 28:09

First thing that come to my mom was like, damn, it might be over.

SPEAKER_07 28:18

Wow. So the mayor comes in. So what was the mayor saying? What what what was his what what did he say that he saw? What is this what did he say that he that that he was a part of in regards to the uh situation? What did he say? What did he say that he that he seen?

SPEAKER_05 28:33

He replayed the events for that night. He had a um a um a black ball in Harvest Casino on Atlantic City. So um they was pregaming at his house, him, the victim, and a couple other guys, they end up hanging out and going to the ball. So when they go to the ball, he said that the guy leaves his phone in the house. So when the guy comes back from the ball, he goes pick up him. Reminds me, he lives right next door to the mayor. This was his his um like his childhood friend, his best friend, brother, type stuff from another mother. He came over there and grabbed his phone. He said by the time he made upstairs, after him grabbing the phone, he heard the gunshots. When he looked up, he he said he calls his friend to check on him because it happened so fast that he heard the guy's phone ringing outside of the house. Then he looked out the window and seen him gasping for air.

SPEAKER_07 29:25

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 29:27

He said that um the the guy that dropped him off witnessed it. But then he got on the stand and said that he never said that. He said that he seen somebody run it. He never but on in the paperwork it says that um the guy seen shooters.

SPEAKER_07 29:44

Wow. And now the mayor's up there, isn't it? It's hard to convince people to uh well actually the jury, or was it a jury trial or the judge?

SPEAKER_05 29:57

It was a jury trial.

SPEAKER_07 29:59

So now they got the mayor up there, so it's hard, it's gonna it's gonna be extra, or I say uh extremely hard to convince the jury to think that the mayor is telling a lie. But he never, he never, he never he never like like like singled you singled you out, like pointed you out. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_05 30:14

No, absolutely not. He hasn't he can't do that at all.

SPEAKER_07 30:18

Hmm. And and um in this in this murder trial, right? How many people was actually in uh that that was actually charged with the murder?

SPEAKER_05 30:30

Is the procure the one that allegedly put the money up? He was charged with it, me and the dude that snitched on me, he was charged. We were charged as two shooters, but we had a severance because of out of court statements.

SPEAKER_07 30:45

Wow. So was there any point in this trial that you thought like that you had that you had opportunity or you that you had a win?

SPEAKER_05 30:55

The whole trial, honestly, I felt like I had a win because they never had any direct evidence proving me as a shooter. They never had any camera footage of me shooting anyone, they didn't have any DNA evidence. It was a circumstantial case. While I was in the county, some old 50 old man, he decided to get out of jail on me and another guy from Philly, and he went to the um and made a deal with the prosecutors to testify on me.

SPEAKER_07 31:22

Wow. So over these 15 days, was it any other any other uh crucial witnesses or any crucial statements that was used to uh you know actually get the conviction?

SPEAKER_05 31:37

I had some text messages. Me and my co-defender, the one that allegedly placed a bounty on the guy here. We were texting each other um before the murder, minutes after the murder, and days after. So they used I sent um allegedly I sent the guy a green check message and crying emojis, and he told me to FaceTime. So the prosecutor used that saying that the green check was a confirmation that the murder was finished.

SPEAKER_08 32:06

Wow. Let me cut, let me cut in for a second. Submit it's black, man. I slow down while they come, man.

SPEAKER_05 32:13

Wadekum sit down. What's up, my boy?

SPEAKER_08 32:16

What's up, man? Um, yeah, man. Your story, man. Your story is real vital to for a lot of people out of the audience, man, the family that's watching, man. Your story is gonna be heard by a lot of people, man. And hopefully, you know, they can prepare, you know, to do things accordingly if they're out there in this. But I want to ask you a few questions, right? Um Absolutely. You know, I want to speed up a little bit. Not to speed up the whole thing, but I'm talking about the speed up the uh what you was talking about. Um how many how many days did they deliberate for you for?

SPEAKER_05 32:48

Yo, the crazy thing is they deliberated in two hours.

SPEAKER_08 32:54

Oh, in two hours.

SPEAKER_05 32:56

And they came back with they came back with a verdict.

SPEAKER_08 33:00

How did you just I want you to describe to the audience, right? When you sitting there and you in that holding cell, because that's how they did when I was went to trial. I don't know if they do it that way with y'all, but when I went to trial, they'll take you back to the holding cell to whenever the jury comes back with a verdict. Is this the same way go with you for y'all? Absolutely. So I want you to describe to the audience that feeling you had just waiting for them to come back with a verdict.

SPEAKER_05 33:26

I went back there. I was making do out the whole trial. I was on trial during Ramadan last year. So I'm making dual. So um my lawyer came back to me. He said, you know, they came back with a verdict. He said it's a fast verdict. Normally, a fast verdict means that they that you um not guilty, but we don't know what's gonna happen. So just keep your head up. Want to keep your head on the swivel.

SPEAKER_08 33:51

Was your heart so I can only imagine your heart probably was beating, your mind racing.

SPEAKER_05 33:57

The adrenaline was pumping so much that it was like it was to a point where I just ain't even I don't I was just rocking out with it. It didn't really hit me fully until I got back to the um to the unit in the jail. I was up there with a lot of the members, a lot of the men from around my project, my neighborhood, and they was breaking down in tears due to my laws.

SPEAKER_08 34:21

Hmm. So I want you to describe, man, when you went in there, man, and you stood to hear that, like, can you tell us the whole thing that happened from when you walked in the courtroom and they stood up to say that verdict? What was on your mind and what did they say?

SPEAKER_05 34:36

They said I was guilty on all accounts. When they did that, my whole mind is I'm like, I just want to get the I just want to get out of these fucking clothes, get back to this county jail, and get on bullshit.

SPEAKER_08 34:50

You was mad. So you're saying you lashed out, you was angry.

SPEAKER_05 34:54

I was mad as shit, but I kept it to myself. I couldn't break down. My mother was in there, she stormed out the courtroom, I had family members in there, I had to stay sturdy for.

SPEAKER_08 35:05

So, so let me uh let me ask, because I know uh sentence and sentencing is not that day. So how long did it take for you to get sentenced after you was found guilty? About 45 days. 45 days? Did you know it did you know that you were gonna get 45 years or you thought you were gonna get something totally different?

SPEAKER_05 35:25

They had me under the impression that I was getting life.

SPEAKER_08 35:28

So you basically saying that that 45 years was like, damn, okay. If you want to put it if if that makes any sense.

SPEAKER_05 35:36

Honestly speaking, my mother said that to me, and I had to run with that.

SPEAKER_08 35:40

And what what was it that she said? What was it she said, Shamar? I want you to, what was it that your mother said to you?

SPEAKER_05 35:47

My mother said, she said, it's not really, she said, it's definitely a sad situation. Don't get mad at me what I was saying, but the record that you have and the stuff that the prosecutors and the judge was saying about you, I thought you were getting life. You only got 45 years, that's a blessing.

SPEAKER_08 36:05

Did you look at it like that?

SPEAKER_05 36:08

Absolutely. Because honestly speaking, it's because of a law. Like I'm a practicing Muslim. I offer sell out five times our day by the permission of a law. So I understand that it was stuff that I could be getting punished for, not even necessarily the crime in itself. You gotta think about it. When you out here running on the streets in the dunya, you haven't um unlawful.

SPEAKER_02 36:30

You have one minute remaining.

SPEAKER_05 36:33

Listen, obligatory prayers. You feel what I'm saying? You selling drugs, all kind of stuff like that. You're not living right, you live in like a monastic.

SPEAKER_08 36:42

You can call back, right?

SPEAKER_05 36:44

Yeah, I might just call right back.

SPEAKER_08 36:45

All right, yeah. But yeah, man, audience, man, family that's watching, man. I hope that everybody is paying attention to what this man. I want everybody to feel it, like, because it's sending chills through my body just standing there waiting for that verdict, man. Standing there just in you and you may be thinking one way or whichever way you think it, but it might not go the way you think it, man. This is something that this is this this right here, man, going through this process after you just did some bullshit out there to find it. It'll make you, it's not cancer. It's not cancer, each other, get skin, second. Trust will do that to you in alarming rates faster than cancer. Trust me, I know. It's a sad thing, man. Man, he goes in there, man. Get found guilty like, and I'm waiting, I can't wait till he called back, man. You know, he got 45 years, man. 45 years, you know. His family was comfortable like then you could have got life, which they write. But 45 years ain't nothing to wink at. Ain't nothing to wake at. I think I probably still been mad like dang. 45? We're gonna get into the gifts of it when we call back. 45, bro. That's almost a half a century. And if don't nobody know what that means, it's 50 years. That's crazy, bro.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

Thank you for using global telling.

SPEAKER_07 38:05

We hear. Yeah, yeah, we hear, yeah. Let me ask you a quick question. Do you have any kids?

SPEAKER_05 38:10

Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_08 38:12

Okay. No kids, man.

SPEAKER_05 38:15

No kids, man.

SPEAKER_08 38:17

So now you go for sentencing. Tell me how that was, man. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you you thought you was gonna get life. When they read the 45-year mark, was that like a sigh of relief to you? Were you shocked? Like, damn, okay, I got 45 years.

SPEAKER_05 38:30

Yeah, it was a crazy day, man. No bullshit.

SPEAKER_08 38:34

Let's talk about it. Talk about it. Put it out there.

SPEAKER_05 38:36

I wake up in the morning, I go to get sentenced. It's um it's afternoon now. When I'm coming out, I'm in rage. I'm not gonna lie. Like, I feel bad, I feel mad. It's like I feel like the sacrificial lamb out of all my coat offenders and all that. So I go to get sentenced. I run into a nigga that had an issue with my little brother. I spit on him all before uh before I make it. They trying to send me to lock up for that. I'm like, man, I'm not going to lock up. I'm ready to lock out with the police. After I lost trial, I punched a cop in his face. I did like two weeks in a roll on two or a chair. So right after that, um, after I ran into him, I had to go get an ID from the admission section. I seen a nigga that was that I'm not really feeling we had issues. He tried to speak to me. I just started disrespecting him. Then I went to court, I got sentenced, I came back. It was time for um Ford player to come in. I called that a dan. Right after I called it a dan, guys as loud, they playing poker. I flipped out on the poker table. I'm just chasing at this point. Nobody was really biting the bullet. So after that, I just fell back. I ate a little couple more meals and fell back and waited for my fucking bus to go to prison.

SPEAKER_08 39:43

So how how long did they keep you there after you was because you know in our county jails in Fed, like if you get sentenced to time like that, 45 years and stuff, they immediately lock you up. Like you'll come back to the jail and go straight to uh the hole. They don't leave you in population. No longer than a week. No longer than a week. Tell me, uh, was this your first time ever in prison?

SPEAKER_05 40:01

No, that's not my first time. I've been to prison on violation. I had another day. I did six years before I did a violation in between that.

SPEAKER_07 40:09

Okay. So hold on. My question is this. So they gave you 45 years for murder?

SPEAKER_05 40:14

For murder for hire.

SPEAKER_07 40:15

Murder for hire, okay. So that's not um, that's not uh which card, that's not um what premeditated murder, because you know they they they don't know. Premeditated. But so that's premeditated, a murder for hire, premeditated murder. That's what it was, that's what they're saying it was to charge 45 years?

SPEAKER_05 40:30

Yeah, but it's crazy because they wasn't really they what they did was they end up switching it up. Now I come down here, I get my judgment of conviction, and on my judgment of conviction, it's saying that I aided and abetted a murder for hire.

SPEAKER_08 40:45

That you helped them out.

SPEAKER_05 40:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 40:50

Wow. Wow. So now you uh you get so so you get the time, right? The f uh where you go for sentence and they give you 45 years. Right? You know, and getting that time and getting that sentence, now that you're you're serving the sentence with six years in. Do you ever think that you're gonna get out anytime soon whereas though you'll be able to live your life or or or live live your life at a young age? Or is that your goal?

SPEAKER_05 41:18

Honestly speaking, I still gotta hope that I'm getting out soon in the next few years.

SPEAKER_07 41:24

Inshallah. Inshallah. Wow. And now people all got people people need to need to understand a lot of times we don't we don't really look at this a lot. You know, when you get in trouble with the law, it's so easy to end up upstate lost in the prison system, whether it's federal or state pen state, but it's hard to get out. To get out. To get these appeals done, to get these these things that you gotta have. You gotta have your people who, you know, legwork now on duty, you gotta have people who just moving around trying to get things done for you. How hard is that to get these things done now that you're behind this prison wall?

SPEAKER_05 42:03

It takes an ample amount of time, it takes tedious work, it takes dedication. You can't really get caught up into the jail politics. Like if you get high, you're getting drunk, you're not off for us a lot, you run around on bullshit, it's not really gonna work for you unless it's a lost plan. But when you know that you gotta work, you gotta work. Like I just got out of the law library today. You get what I'm saying? You gotta stay in that library. You gotta, you gotta tap in, you gotta make sure the best thing that they created with this AI stuff because it helps you um particularly your issues that you may have by sticking your transcripts up to it. So it helps you and gives you a better insight on where you at. You get what I'm saying? I'm down here with a lot of guys that have been down here for 40, 50 years. They just released a Muslim brother. He was down here for 40 plus years. He went home on the clemency.

SPEAKER_07 42:52

How old was he?

SPEAKER_05 42:54

He was 74.

SPEAKER_07 42:59

74 years old. Did he have any family out there? Did he have any family that he mentioned?

SPEAKER_05 43:07

He had family. He actually had a very good support. Um he was the E-man in a job, E-Man was free, growing sushi brother, he might have been, and he he definitely stayed sturdy the whole time.

SPEAKER_07 43:20

Wow. And you know, a lot of times, you know, when when when people look at cases like yours or situations like yours, people don't really understand that, you know, once you be like like b band behind that prison wall, right? And getting getting these long, extensive sentences like 40 to 45 years. And how old are you again?

SPEAKER_05 43:42

I'm 20, I'm 30. That's my part of me. I gotta work on when I was 25.

SPEAKER_07 43:46

So so basically, if you were to serve this whole prison uh prison sentence, you would be getting out um you know at the age of like 75. Because you gotta serve 85% of your time. So you'll be getting out at 60 plus years old.

SPEAKER_08 44:00

um you know with so much you you you you you have your youth right now you you're young and you're placed in these situations people don't really understand these like a lot we gotta talk to the to the young guys and people out here with breaking law because they don't really understand that this what the what this is what the issue is with the young guy these guys think that the screech is a game they think that their homies won't tell on them they think that their girl won't tell on them they think that their friends won't tell on them they think that their mother won't tell on them so they think they invincible everybody because I was one of them guys I I thought I could get away with murder that's a metaphor look but I've been since my whole life since a child I thought I was the smoothest guy I never seen myself in these types of situations my uncle served 20 years he was a kink and and I used to say I would never get caught up like him wow I'm glad you just touched on that man with the youth man by thinking because you know that I thought like that too bro you you you you you you're running through life you have no caution no care in the world you know I'm saying and that leads me to some of my next questions I want to ask you you said you've been there for six years currently now right yes how's your mind's your mind state now in these days are you still angry have you taken accountability like what would like how is your what's your mental like and I want you to tell like what you've been going through in there you been in these fights yet you know because you know I want the outside to know what it's like in there like I because I tell them ain't nothing nice in there it ain't like the street like how does six years have this six years thus far have been on you mentally physically how's it shaping out for you thus far I've been in world wars and the jails all that like I done been jumped I done been stabbed I got jumped by 15 niggas sent to the hospital woke up in the hospital I got stabbed I done been through a lot you get what I'm saying so this shit ain't really easy you gotta really be resilient to really put up with this shit and that shit not even cool for real for real mm-mm mm um did you do you have an old lady right now well a girl I had a girl um she rocked out for a couple years but it started getting real so we mutually agreed that she could go about our business. Well I respect that I respect y'all had a mutual agreement in Utah and that would take a man to do that but a lot of these women they leave the men it don't be no mutual agreement they just go ahead and bail out whenever it gets too thick. Absolutely man how was that for you? Like was it something hard for you to do like damn man you know I because it takes a man to be like go ahead about your life I'm over here this ain't your life like because I ain't gonna lie even if I would mutually agree I'm gonna still be hurt a little bit like damn.

SPEAKER_05 46:44

Nah I was hurt don't get me wrong I'm not even gonna sit here and bluff on this job I was hurt you get what I'm saying like it crushed me to the point where it's I didn't talk to other females a lot majority in my bed and that shit I didn't even want to talk to them especially when they bring that up because we had a nice little relationship we had a house together we went on dates on it all the time with each other we was vibing she ain't had no kids I ain't had no kids this shit just happened unexpectedly exactly um how long has it been since you last uh heard from her I can't really say that man okay okay all right well yeah yeah you may we're gonna plead the fit for certain things but you know I know how it is man you know when a motherfucker step away from me anyway they stepped away and they step away and that just be it you be like well dang I thought we had a better relationship than that firm would deny that it was like I haven't smoked tour okay all right well I respect that but um so moving well how your days going there man do you have a schedule like do you have a routine do you work out like what are some of the things that you're adapting your mind to because you got to sit in the like we're gonna keep it real we keep it real up here we don't do no capping we're hoping for appeals and stuff by myself I wake up every morning I'll make funger prayer I'm a chair runner so I come out I do the um do the due diligence for the men that's locked up in on the unit with me and I go to Tylen class Monday through Thursday I go to June on Friday Saturday and Sunday I really chill out my family members come visit me and I I just try to read this game and try to read all you get what I'm saying I do on the phone a lot the phone come to your cell it's a lockdown joint like niggas is locked down there I want you to explain that again and tell them what jail it is that you're currently housed at right now I'm in New Jersey State prison Trenton State prison the same jail Eric Kane Carter was okay and you say the conditions is crazy tell me the conditions and how they you know y'all is your out in population all day and lockdown at night is it locked down all day what's that like negative you went here you locked in there's bars on the door this is an old-fashioned jail it's one of the oldest jails in the country so you weren't here you weren't here the majority of the day if you don't go to program if you don't go to um mesh hall if you don't go to um the yard you in the shell wow man I mean it's just so unfortunate man now I want to rewind a little bit right because I'm assuming you've never been upstate before this is your first time going upstate no he's he's been upstate before been up there before yeah absolutely okay so I was gonna ask you well I asked you about that like your first time going upstate man how was that for you like just experiencing that going going upstate aspect I'm gonna be honest with you bro like fair with true like I'm being rational here and I'm trying to start you know reframing my mindset to be rational but I'm like a little screw this shit don't really faze me to be honest with you because I know what I signed myself up for but I know this is not the way I got nephews I got a 13 year old nephew in June he'll be 13 so I be watching him I see him on Instagram he's starting to get too adapted to the trends and all that that shit hurt me. I'm down here with YM they 23 22 they don't understand the law or nothing they playing they talking about one CO ass tatter and all that that shit pisses me off like we got too much pick.

SPEAKER_07 50:13

How much time how much time a lot of these you mentioned 20 year olds in there how much time the uh a lot of these uh 20 year olds got how many life sentences and life hmm is that natural life or just numbers 69 and a half and one third before you eligible 69 and a half and one third before you're eligible before that's life. And then you're gonna find a parole board that hits you again like come back and see us in another two years.

SPEAKER_08 50:44

Y'all hearing it right here man you're hearing it from Shamor out Atlantic City man. Big case man y'all handed first for me.

SPEAKER_07 50:54

So the mayor let's go back let's go to the mayor has the mayor you know reached out to anyone or spoke about this situation since you know uh coming and taking a stand?

SPEAKER_05 51:04

They trying to drown my voice out man that's the thing explain explain what you mean by that they don't want my story to really be heard because there's more to it but I'm a sturdy kind of guy I'm not gonna be able to explain a lot of this stuff because that'll be considered snitching and incriminating that's why I'm h I'm happy that y'all gave me this opportunity. So listen so what is it that you want us to know like like if it's something that you think that can that can help you uh become you know eligible for for your freedom what is it that you want to put out there like what what are you trying what's your what's your your ultimate goal or what's your uh your your uh I'll say your your most your strongest point uh to have you released from prison I want to low I want to lower lower the recidivism weight for the youth man the jail shoot is not cutting and then they are giving NIL you have one minute remaining and give it an N IL deal for sports and shit play sports go in there go hard go to school and get what I'm seeing I'm down here I'm seeing 21 year old officers they're gonna have pensions they're gonna be good y'all gotta get into the shit like that like I don't really condone to the cops but do some shit positive this shit is not where it's at I came down here I'm seeing a lot of niggas got something called Stockholm syndrome they old they've been down here so long that they don't mind being down here.

SPEAKER_08 52:32

If you watch the movie life that's a prime example of it man go ahead call back bro call back because they need to hear this man ladies and gentlemen of the family man did you hear what that man just said it's a syndrome that he said that a person in prison adopts after doing so much time that it becomes normal. Not only is they breaking you your spirit well not we I ain't gonna say they because that's still point and blame not only is you the person that's currently incarcerated we got to take full accountability up here you the person that goes to jail you become you you become like damn cool this is where I supposed to be your mind turns on you and think this is reality jail sitting around men all day long washing your clothes in the toilet you washing out your drawers you put on the same toilet that you and your cell are sitting in how clean is these drawers I don't give a fuck how many times you cleaned this toilet.

SPEAKER_05 53:30

It's a thousand minutes sitting there before me and him but your mind will adapt to say all right I'm here you're institutionalized I gotta ask him when he called back what kind of sin he called it what he said Stockholm syndrome like that's wild bro a lot I I I got that like if I was to go to jail it'd be tapby mission yo bro I want you to say that again man because I just was talking to the audience uh just now while you was calling back man telling uh rebuttal off of what you said about this syndrome what is this central syndrome called again Stockholm syndrome what is that explain to us what's citizen rate this is lower than the rate of returners you get what I'm saying is a lot of guys they go in and out of the youth house the youth system from getting in trouble at a young age stealing bikes stealing cars all that frivolous stuff quoting a gun all that to try to prove a point for Instagram and all the Twitter and TikTok trying to get into these frivolous ass beats that don't have nothing to do with nothing y'all killing each other leaving y'all mothers out here sad y'all little brothers out here to do the same thing y'all little sisters out here and have babies my fuck niggas y'all niggas got to tighten up this shit ain't cool man you you you that that you're right everything you just said but you still went over my question bro what is Stockholm syndrome I need you to inform me because I think Stockholm syndrome Stockholm syndrome is when you basically become content you know like when a slave was enslaved by them people and they get a chance to run and they don't even run. Exactly that's what Stockholm syndrome is and Stockholm syndrome is is it it's is it they don't run through the uh old age or or are they mentally broken uh what's the reason the mental breakdown of me and guys they 21 with Stockholm syndrome a guy told me and I'm and I'm not condoning this because I don't want to incriminate myself or anything but a guy told me that he's an electrician around here the guy 30 years old he said he was outside outside of the gates of the jail and he seeing the street and he was like oh hold on I'm gonna get the fuck back over here I'm too far I'm like what the fuck is wrong with you bro and he's a ice nigga yeah that's crazy that's real though that's real and he got life yeah you I hope that I hope they put I hope y'all paying attention with this dang this man got life he doing electricity outside the gates of the jail and he like shit I'm close to too close to the streets let me get back on the other side of this gate and got life wow I hope y'all hear it I don't know I might have taken I might have been I might have taken that street hey hey hey listen Jamore I would have dealt with that on the further note I'm taking my chances I ain't gonna lie I got life because listen not you know I'm just speaking about this but because when when you when you have a chance at freedom and you have the opportunity he has to be able he's working outside the gate it's easy for somebody to correspond to pick up that so we're at a pickup point. You know what I'm saying I'm working let's figure that out man like shout out um shout out to I mean Hirsch man I like him for that one I mean what does it play no games he slid across that floor I was out I mean I was in there ruling for I mean man if I could ask somebody could pick him up and take him to Mexico I was spinning that call because you understand the the severity of being locked in because it's like the same thing every single day. This shit hurt man you're gonna hear this what you hear you hear guys waking up like oh this guy think he's cool we got some new sneakers oh they um we about to get clothes package oh when's commissary going on oh they put us in the wrong rockyard oh it's cool in the shower these are the things that you hear on a daily basis yeah it's the same thing you hear every day it drives me crazy that's why I really get confined in my cell I read the sort of our cuff you feel calf you know what I'm saying I've got confine myself to the cell the kids but let me ask you a question Shamour you think that's you think that's sane I don't think that's sane either I think it makes you more crazy because it made me more crazy like I needed somebody to talk to I told you I go to Tylen class every day I I got I got a lot of emotion going on in the jail I move around but as far as interacting with these guys and having frivolous conversations I might as well come here and watch the news pick up a book get on the phone talk to the outside yeah I agree I probably do the same thing I wouldn't even probably be conversating too much because you because now you can't really converse with these guys because we're not on the same you're gonna be upon what they upon now your mental gonna be where they'res at just stuck inside the facility your mind now your mind becomes trapped and locked in there.

SPEAKER_07 58:25

Yeah you gotta better yourself sharpen your tools because you never know the opportunity may present itself when you become free again.

SPEAKER_05 58:33

Yeah I wrote an urban um novel I'm working on my second one I'm trying to um gain some income on that I'm trying to focus on getting that published right now so the the publishing on that working on my case and studying Islam is really that that wraps up my day. If you want to be released today or tomorrow what's the first thing you're gonna do if I get released today or tomorrow I'm going to the MASJ offering someone I imagine how how old is your is your mother how old is your mother my mother 49 Mom 49 I know you want to get out here for her how how has she been holding up since you've been in there my mother's strong she's a regulator she's a broker she's a a lawn officer so my mother she's strong she's sturdy my mother being my backbone honestly I got a lot of the game for my mother you get what I'm saying so it's like my mom's strong it definitely hurt her but it's like when she dealing with it she's putting up with it. Do you have any siblings I got three siblings on my mom's side my dad has uh camaraderie a kid I can't even really explain how many it is because he I'm definitely over twenty.

SPEAKER_07 59:56

Your dad over twenty kids well let's speak about your mom the siblings on your mom's side because I'm assuming the uh siblings on your dad's side is all they spread out all over the place you know I'm saying not just one person having 20 kids he probably he just was yeah out here just different states different countries oh man shout out to him shout out to your dad he he lived his life yo uh so you're sitting with your mom is these uh you know uh boy girl uh male female what's the ratio I got it's me I'm the oldest it's my little brother Shaq he got caught up in my indictment he home now and it's my royal sister how is your how has your sentence affected them as far as your your relationship with them we keep we we we we're tightness family so we definitely gather like I I treat my nephews like they my kids you get what I'm saying so I'm in tune with them I vibe with the kids I'm big on the youth so it's like our relationship is definitely to the best that it could be yeah man and now you like it like I said like you like you you sound like you kind of took this sit this the sentence or this time that you've been in there to kind of you know look at uh what's to come as far as what you want to do with your life if you have the opportunity to get out again. You're not trying to you know trying to be trapped in the prison you know get you know what what is what did you what did you what's that word again you said what he got syndrome syndrome yeah yeah you don't want that you're not trying to be a part of that because you see what it does. Because it's like people just walking in there just uh waiting to die.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:38

Two questions I got for you Jamal I got two questions for you one question is they have I'm probably quite sure because you know one thing about us convicts man we keep our ears to the street closer to niggas that's in the street um absolutely I know you probably heard the saying that's going around now uh fuck the streets you mean that shit real man I'm mad that this shit wasn't really being enforced when I was ruled so how you feel about that statement like when people say fuck the streets this shit fucked up man this shit ain't right number one telling is at an all-time high and people is getting accepted a nigga a tell on a murder come home from jail be low for two years start selling weed fuck a couple bitches and be back accepted why would you want to be wrapped up in that next question is I'm quite sure you you you you because you told me you've been stabbed before and I'm I'm quite sure you've seen your fair share of violence thus far in prison.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:38

Now I'm gonna give you a hypothetical if you you were in an austercation you in an altercation with another man you and him arguing on the block or whatever and it's getting there it's getting there or you can tell the argument is ready to get to y'all having to do combat I'm not even gonna argue with him stabbing him in the face.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:54

Okay hold up hold up hold up there before he's up you like a dog at the meat you ready to go hold up now say y'all squash it though a lot of good men come break y'all up like yo it's a misunderstanding and this and that this and that or I'm just giving you a hypertho a hyper a hypothetical scenario okay you go and say all right it's squash is over with we had a little disagreement but it's straight you watching TV unbeknown to you you don't know that dude still want to come get you he still want to do some harm to you but you watching TV you're not paying attention he's coming at you would you rather him have a knife in his hand or that lock and sock a knife tell me why tell me why you say tell me why this is a question that I ask everybody tell me why you say that knife instead of that lock and sock listen that lock in the sock is crucial that lock in the sock can knock you paralyzed and if he get that knock you out after lock in the sock he can stomp you out and kill you with the knife he really got one good shot to really make it count after that you still got chance to fight I've been stabbed by them stabbed so I know I will go that lock in the sock if I get that I'm a dead I'm a deadly man.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:05

Mm-hmm mm-mm mm and I and I ask everybody this question but people know because they playing with the is they playing with them locks and socks in there I'm asking you yeah them lock in the socks as well so I'm in a maximum security jail so you're not getting your hands around no lock but they will mm mm mm was that count time they said I heard them say count time yeah that's they they they they they speaking on count time man boy I hope everybody paying attention man paper but you gotta go through this if you go to prison man and you will how how was it for counting y'all in there?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:42

Do you gotta stand up and be because in the feds at certain camps you had to be about your bed feet on the floor no you just gotta go in the cell when it's cow time man right now it was just there's a guy they was getting in the shower they was getting on the kiosk and all that being on JPEG and all that they lollygagging.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:01

So they just gotta go in their cell we I want a single cell joint man so we're like everybody locked in so and they own cell while they sell so we just gotta head to your cell let me ask you let me ask you this this is a room okay let me ask you this this is something that I know but and I and I know that you know but I want you to explain it to the audience um do you run around in there with shower shoes on your boots on all day when you when you are out no sliding on the island only slipping what does that mean what does that mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:33

Don't be running around here slipping the slide with your slippers on you look like a victim you look like a like you get what I'm saying anything can happen you in a national security draw naked should just start shaking it could be the Muslims versus the blondes the blogs versus the crits the blond versus the blondes the white people versus the blacks and can anything can happen.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:54

You got slides on so you slid on the island no sliding on the island on the island

SPEAKER_05 1:06:00

My sneakers are stressed up like I'm in the army.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:04

Yeah, yeah. Man. So it's like, you know, that that's see, people don't understand, understand that we're laughing about it, but prison is a whole different world, man. You know, a lot of times a lot of these young guys, man, they they they out here and they pacified by the mom buying them things and taking care of them, or you know, and they just and sometimes they they roll out to the streets because they wanna they just feel like they wanna be cool. And then they get to prison and they under they understand that prison is a whole different world. It's like ain't no you gotta learn on a job, you gotta learn fast. Let me ask you this, Shamour.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:37

Would you say prison changed you?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:42

I'm beyond what you prison ain't changed me, the circumstances that came about me going to prison change me.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:49

I respect that. I respect that. Because I tell a lot of people, a lot of these young kids I talk to, I say one thing about it. Prison is definitely a teacher. It is one of the top teachers.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:01

You learned some of your best lessons from prison.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:07

Damn, man. I just hope that you know you keep your head on straight, man. I hope that you got get whatever you got coming to you, man. Um, you know, like I said, you could reach out to us, man, at any given time, man. You you are part of our family, man. You were the struggle, man. We, you know, I come from that, man. You know, I learned my lesson. You know, like I say, again, tell us from the jail is not to glorify jail or wear it as a badge of honor, but it's just a goddamn fact. So we got to talk about it. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:32

And that's the way it's nice to get to know you too, man. You already know black, man. Man, you we locked in, man. You already know how to go, man. I know y'all just heard them call Calcto, man. I just want to give a little quick shout-out to the jail, my man Abbott Baco Brown, man. He's serving 22 years for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:50

You have one.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:00

He's been locked up for about the same time to get where I'm saying.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:03

Well, tell them tell them where they can find you at. You got a good Instagram page? Because it's gonna be one of the people who went tapping.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:08

Instagram, man. I'm Global MidChannel, Instagram, Global Middle Channel, Instagram. You can find me. I'm active at all times. If you know, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:17

Man, it was good talking to you, bro. Man, keep your head up and we can stay in contact, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:23

Man, I said I want to wake up, man. Everybody that was sitting, I appreciate y'all for tuning in.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:31

Yeah, man. I hope, I hope y'all, you know, this man has 45 years, man. You know, he has to deal with that, man. You know, hopefully, you know, things work out for him in his favor. But as of now, what's edged in stone is that 4 or 5 they gave him. That is his reality. Not to say he can't come from underneath it, but as of now, he has 45 years to do in prison, man. Until they overturn, sign something, uh, a gate open up, or he can escape, he will be there until otherwise.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:06

Yeah, a lot of times, you know, um people I don't want to say this, but we don't young young people, old people, like you said, that second to think because your your your freedom is within line, your life is on the line. And we don't always think a lot of times when we when we face face with these pressures or or adversities that uh that come at us, and we don't always think clear-headed when we should, because you just never know. A small fight can turn into somebody dying, losing their life. All they gotta do is hit their head or you know, fall. And even if you don't get a life sentence, you might be getting getting 10 years, five years. It's all time away from your family. You know, in a place of where you don't want to be. So it's just it's just best to just think things through, man. Take your time, man. Change your companionship, you know, stop hanging in the streets, stop hanging on the corners, stop selling drugs. I know all this stuff sounds cliche and easy, like it's like we're saying, like it's easy to do, but it's it's it's what's best for you, man. What's best for your your life, man? You know, I just you know, we come from that. We had to talk the other day about, you know, just the hood and so forth. So in the hood teaches you these these bad traits, these these bad things. You can learn some good qualities from from being in the hood. It teaches teaches you a lot of good qualities, but sometimes we just get caught up in looking at the actual beauty beautifying the gang violence and the guns and the drugs and whatever else, and we and those things that look look attractive to you is gonna uh put you in prison for a very long time, sometimes a lot of the time, most of the time.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:38

I wanted to go, I wanted to uh reiterate on what you just said, how we always say the extra two to three seconds of thinking could change you, could cause you to either go to jail for the life, die, or be alive. And me and a co-defender that was up here before, T. Y, shout out to T. Y. Stand up, he probably driving the 18-wheeler somewhere over the country. Keep working, bro. Bills gotta be paid. But he said, man, you know, we always, you know, during the midst of our conversations, we bring up religion. And everybody, I'm Muslim, he's Muslim, and I'm not cramming Islam down your neck if you're not Muslim. I'm just giving you a scenario that happened with me. Everybody has their own religions. Peace to that. Um Islam with the our messenger with his Muhammad, he used to have the he used to have the companions place rocks in their mouth, right? So before they talk, they would have to remove them the rocks out of their mouth to talk on a topic, a conversation, or anything of that manner. But the reason for this is the time that it takes for you to remove them rocks from your mouth is time for you to think on what you was ready to stay instead of just blurting it out. You're not giving yourself time at all. You're not giving yourself no time to think on what you want to say or how you may want to react. That's why I always pump two to three seconds extra. Give yourself five seconds. I guarantee you, you will come up with whether it be wrong or right, you will come up with a whole nother idea. I guarantee you.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:05

Yeah. Yeah, man, because you know, situations and scenarios, man, you're going to be tested. You're going to be tested with situations that are going to come your way. And you just gotta prepare it. And the best way to prepare for them is just to stop and think. This doesn't mean be a coward, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. No, it's not. I'm not saying be no coward or somebody just comes to you, slap you in your face, and you know, beat you up, whatever the case may be. But just to stop and think. You know what I'm saying? And it'll it'll change your life, your outcome. And because once you go through a situation where you may be placed in this uh an oppressive situation, you're gonna sit back and you're gonna think. Because you're gonna have, especially if you get locked up, you're gonna have some time to think. And you're gonna be sitting there thinking, like, man, that one ain't worth it. And it's gonna be too late to think now. Yeah, you you may are and or you may have the, you know, maybe it's too late now. Maybe a couple hours you gotta go there, go to the district and get slain in the district on that on that metal bench. How many? You'll think then, won't you, man? I could have just like Yeah. Or you might think when you sitting in the county or sitting in in in that in that chair looking at someone, looking at your best friend telling them you like, damn, that's my man. I just not even like I now you're wishing you never did what you did. It's too late.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:21

It's too late, man. Too late, man. I'm talking about just that fast, man. Your life can change just that fast. Just that fast, man. Give yourself the chance, give yourself a uh an advantage about this thing. And the advantage is just thinking two to three seconds longer. That's that's not really nothing heavy to do if you think about it.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:41

Yeah, and a lot of times, man, you know these things we have control over, man. You got control over what you say, you got control over what you do. You gotta control yourself. Do not become angry. Do not become try not to become angry as best you can because now you're putting, you know, you're just putting yourself in the extra difficult situation. So uh right now we want to take some calls from y'all, man. 215-316-4492. That's 215-316-4492.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:08

Yeah, call up, man. Tell me what's going on, man. You know, the like I say, it's getting hot. It's getting hot, y'all. It's getting hot. It's getting hot. When the heat is out, the meat is out. Always remember that. It's getting hot. Make sure you conduct it. Me included, me first. Because boy, I can't wait till it gets this hot. This year I am going to dip these yeeks in somebody's saying. I'm guaranteeing you that. I ain't looking for no jail. I'm looking to go in somebody's saying. And that's just it. Yeah, but man, call up, man. Ask questions, man. We appreciate y'all, man. Hit the like button, man. Hit the like button, subscribe, man. If you can become a member, man. Help support, keep us out of court, man. Oh, that's rider. Shout out to you.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:46

Yeah, and I just look at um, you know, a lot of these situations, man. It's unfortunate, man, because you know, we have people, young guys that we know, man. And it's it's not just young guys going to jail. Just I'm just speaking about the youth because the youth have so much promise. A lot of us older guys, we still we we have a lot of knowledge and a lot of things, but our lives, we basically lived our lives, and you know, we have years left, but we've kind of been through the storm. A lot of these young guys are just coming up and just, you know, and haven't really been through the storm. And we can't we can't help everybody. We can't stop everybody from going to jail and people from getting killed. But it's about to get hot outside, man. It's about to get nice, man. You can't even like you, like it's just crazy that like the young kids just can't even hang outside. And this once again, this is our community, the African-American community.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:36

Because you don't see the Caucasian community. Not to say that they ain't breaking no law, nothing not to cut you off, bro. They ain't rocking up with no switch, shooting, shoot each other. Nah. The Hispanics, the Hispanic community, the Caucasian community, the Africans. It's regular American niggas.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:52

Where all and what happens is they just put all these drugs, the chemicals in our communities, and people not think of shit. People high, people drunk, people mad, people broke, people sad. It's just, you know, it's just so much adversity. But we just gotta take time to stop and think. And it always gotta be before you commit a crime. Anything. You may not be shitting smoke, she might be smoking this marijuana, or I shouldn't be getting drunk, I shouldn't be, you know, doing smoking this crack. Some people smoke crack. I'm not laughing about it, but some people are on on dope, on dog food, whatever they are, are on, and these are serious things, but just think before you use that that stuff. Because sometimes you may pick up a blunt or a drink and it may lead you to other drugs. This is for the youth, and this is for people that's out here doing it. Because how many people, like I said, we talked about the other day, how many people talked about they started out smoking marijuana? Yeah, the gateway. And then lead on top of stuff. I let them to Kenson. So, you know, is uh it's very, very difficult, man. But we just gotta try to help help one another the best we can. This platform is designed to stop people from going to prison, not designed to encourage prison. Um, but these stories are real and ain't nothing in jail.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:03

You know? Yeah, man. And I want to uh elaborate on what I was saying, man, because you know sometimes it may come off like I am a teacher. No, I'm a student, man. I'm a student uh with just a little bit more knowledge than some of the rest. And um, the advice that I give to y'all, I I take it first and formerly. Like I said, I'm a I'm a regular layman, man. I'm a regular person, man. I just, you know, I'm in a good position, got a good brother, man, is helping me to get to points I need. I struggle every day. I struggle every day. Like what I tell y'all, I I I talked, I would everything I told y'all today, I done told myself in the mirror this morning. I prep myself. I gotta do that. That's how I gotta operate. You know, I get distracted easily. I have no patience. You would think I have patience after doing 21 years in jail, but patience runs even more thinner. You know, I'm older, so I want things faster. I know life ain't promised much longer. So I say that for me, I have to be more vigilant than some of y'all. Me mindful. I like to go out and have me a good time. Like I'm telling y'all, the heat is out, the meat is out, that be me. I'm going to put these yeeks in somebody's sand this year. I'm going to have a good time, and I like to party. Well, not say party, but when friends and family, I'm picking you up, slamming you on the surf. We having a ball. What? I'm in all that. Yeah. So with that being said, I take it slamming on the surf on the surface? Like on the sand and the water and all that. Oh, you better.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:27

I'm in slam. You know slam.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:29

Don't get caught out there lunching. Don't you be out there lunching? They come to this podcast, might have a black eye, man. But that's cool too. That's life. It's all a part of life, man. That's bumps and bruises. We're slamming somebody on the sand, though. Yeah, that's cool. On a sand, like on a software sand. Pop your back all printed all in there with me. Don't hit your face in the first eye prints and all that. I'm gonna love that. I'm running all off. He's trying to get me. I'm tripping for all. Yeah, I'm gonna have a ball, man. But it's a good way to have a ball, and it's a horrible way to have a ball, man. Don't let your ball end up putting you in a penitentiary or dead. Yeah, let's take some trips this summer, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:00

Let's let's uh everybody just go have a good time, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:02

Let's be no, we can go fishing, we can go camping three, four days. I ain't got no money, so I ain't you know my dad is on my line about that joint too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We ready. We ready. Get me my can of worms and let's go. Have a ball, man. Yeah, man, it ain't got to be nothing expensive or nothing like that to go have a good time. Just get away, man. Clear, and then not only is that giving you some activity to do, but it clears your mind. It clears your mind to let you know what you want more out of life. Than sitting on a back block and smoking weed with the guys and niggas smoking wet and K2. I'm cool on that shit, and I ain't knocking y'all that's out there to do it because you gotta walk your own road to get to where I'm making it to. And I ain't made it no motherfucking way yet. So I again, I'm not up here talking to y'all like I'm just the epitome. No, I'm struggling every day. Every day, man. But you know, I'm making it. I ain't back in that penitentiary, I ain't did, I ain't under the best, no good, nobody investigation. Now it's up to me to move accordingly and forward the way I need to do. So the what I need to do. So that's the same thing I'm asking y'all. The same thing, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:07

What's your question? Do you think the uh the the marijuana or the weed now is like stronger than what it was when we when we was kicked out? Absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:14

I smoked a puff of that not too long ago. Not I'm talking about a while ago, but smoked a puff of that of the turbo, right? No, it was not. I never smoked the turbo in my life. No, no, no, it wasn't the turbo, it was marijuana, and they called it like the Lau Pack or whatever it is. They got new names for it, like icky licky and all that, whatever the. But I hit it, yeah. I mean, young boy and damn near fell out. And damn near that back in the weed, that back in the day, we we was growing up, they had chocolate tie, hydro, this stuff now, pink purple cush, uh big titty kush. Like, yeah, you can keep, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm you know, yeah. You know, I to each its own. I'm not, you know, if you choose to do that, cool, but I'm not advising you to do it. But you know, I'm not gonna sit here and be holding my nose up and thinking that you a disease of mankind. You gotta go through your trials and tribulations. I'm not saying it's wrong and I'm not saying it's good. But for me, I'm gonna go ahead and pass on that one. I still have other things that, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:07

Shout out to Reginald Jenkins, 3584 for the donation, man. Appreciate that, man. Thank you. Oh, Nick, I mean, a dot, you know you're getting slammed.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:15

You know you getting slammed. Don't let don't be out doing nobody saying with me. I'm running your ass down. No, dude.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:22

So, you know, like, well, yeah, so so so like how do you roll a turbo? What did you?

SPEAKER_08 1:21:28

I don't know how to roll a turbo, bro. But I do know how to roll. A turbo is crack in weed. Or they put a cigarette inside some easy water paper, like break the cigarette up, put a little tobacco in there. So turbo can be with a cigarette too? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:40

Yeah, cigarette or weed. I know your cigarette smells a little different.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:42

No, no, no, no, no. Nah. You ain't never seen me roll up a cigarette on the street. I'm smoking straight Newport Hundo. That's already put together.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:52

You know what I'm saying? So, you know, they smoking it. I watch, I've been living in crack houses growing up. You know how we grew up. You know what I mean? I'm living in crack houses. You come to get me from the crack house early in the morning. I done been in there all nine days hustling. You know, I done, like I told y'all before in one episode, I done took crack out of a 5858 and lit it on fire to turn into a ball of fluid. And then you just leave it there. I keep blowing it, and then it'll get back hard. And I'm like, damn, I scrape it back up and put it back in the bag. I done watched them put it inside. They look how they do the turbo is they'll get an easy water, either weed they're using or tobacco. And then they'll crumble the crack up on top of it, like sprinkle, like powder on top of uh a brown little twig, like the tobacco. You roll that up, and then how you know somebody is smoking into it? Because it's wet. It gets real wet because the oils from the crack is melting. So when you see somebody, not only will you smell a fragrance that you're there's no other smell like it. You'll smell it and you'll know what the hell is. The first time you smell a turbo, you will always be able to identify. And when you see them smoke, in your hair, you know what a turbo is? And when you see them smoke it. You smoke one of them before your point? You you better not smoke one. You're too young to be smoking that stuff, man. You you just don't be smoking it. Ain't no too young, too old. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Stay away from it, young guys, young uh grown men, young ladies, grown women. Please stay away from, you know, like I said, people go out and have a good time. I'm not into, you know, promoting drinking or smoking. But if you're gonna have a good time have it at a moderate pace, know what you're doing. I don't promote that, but people gonna do what they want to do. But do it in, you know, uh an orderly fashion, man, where you ain't over-tipping and all this and that and this and that. I ain't here to judge you. I'm not saying, yo, you're bad, you're going to hell because you do it. No, I'm not one of them dudes. But if I see you abusing it and over, I'm like, oh yeah, this you gotta get away from me. So be mindful, man. Who around you, who's seeing you do things, man. Sometimes tuck it a little bit. You ain't got to be out and about smoking weed in front of everybody. You go to the bathroom, come pop back out. Like, oh, what's up, y'all? What happened? If you are going to do it, again, I don't promote it. Is crack cocaine still the same as when it was when we No, man, crack is looked at super bad now. Like you are super, super, super, super, super durlich if you out here smoking crack now. Durlic, like a fool. Okay. You know what I'm saying? All the crack is I see now. The ones that I used to be seeing back in the day, I used to trick on. Because I don't know y'all lying. If y'all talking about y'all ain't getting no head and nothing, all that growing up off the crack. Y'all goddamn liars. I see them now, they grown. They got their weight on, they working good jobs, they they they they left crack alone the last 15, 16 years. Ain't nobody out here smoking. Well, they still, but not like how they was when we was growing up.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:36

Wow. Yeah, you used to be in love with them um a few of them.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:40

Well, but yeah, I thought yeah, I grew up to them, man. Yeah, I mean first piece of head was from a crackhead. So you know, man, and then you know, niggas probably sit on here and laugh and all that, but I'm gonna give you a real man. But I think you jumped up, I believe. I never wiped them. I was a young boy. I was out there all day long. I'm in the crack here, I'm in the crack crib. You know what I'm saying? They coming through black. I'm short. I'm selling nicks. How much you got? I got three dollars right now. I'm gonna bring back two. But listen, you ain't gotta bring back two dollars.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:03

All you gotta do is give me a little head to them there to get this right. See, I can't. I listen if I start talking, then we start going.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:11

No, I'm just saying, but this is the stuff that's sending people to go to jail. Starting all the all this is tails from the jails. This is all remnants to leave your ass in that it would lead you to that penitentiary. And yes, I was out there getting here. And the niggas out there tell you, and I'm talking about this is at an early age, not no older 18s, night. No, I was 14, 13. I'm going, yeah, you coming in there. I got them nicks. Get over here, get to me, get this out me. And that's just how it is out there in the streets. You did too, but you're gonna keep it, you're gonna keep it cool. He over there, like, bro, damn sure ain't lying. But it's cool though. Yeah, this guy crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:45

Shout out to Reginald Jacobs at uh donating that thing. Yeah, appreciate this boy crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:51

Don't pay out the buy kids, ladies and gentlemen. This guy. But I'm saying, like, but you know, this is the reality of it, man. Like sometimes, you know, you know, you just you you just in a place or in a in a situation where as though you just face with these obstacles, man. You know, but as far as wifing up, you know, these addicts and stuff like that, you was out of pocket. Real out of pocket.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:14

No, I ain't wiping nothing up. I ain't wiping no crackhead up. Is you crazy? You sitting over here still going on. I'm over here drinking. Don't say the name, but I'll stand doing. One thing about me, I ain't brought no lines.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:25

You know, I had something that I liked it more than others. Exactly. But it wasn't my wife. Yo, why you trying to be getting your bad?

SPEAKER_08 1:26:31

Oh, yeah, if you're trying to get it before me, no. And I'm gonna tell her like, nah, tell them you ain't doing nothing after this. This is boy. Yeah, you young, you getting your first yo, out there in the streets when you growing up, man. A dude, a lot of dudes got their virginity took in. You know, if you're from the inner city of Philadelphia and you grew up in a poverty environment and you jumped off the steps early, your first piece of vagina was not from a regular girl. And when I say regular, meaning a little young girl, your age, y'all going to school. Not to say that you some people, no, okay, yeah. But majority of the niggas that come from where we come from got hid today was dead by smoking Shirley. That's what the hell they did. And I know I got a lot of it from a smoker back then.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:08

Yes. Shout out to Reginald Jenkins again with the donation, man. Shout out to you, man. This ball, man. This guy he said they so uh he said I know Fekus get some smoking.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:21

He said, Man, this man is crazy, man. Ain't nobody call up, man. I guess nobody wanna call up today, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:27

215-316-4492. That's 215-316-4492. But ultimately, man, you know, life, just never know where life is gonna lead you. Like we were talking the other day. We said, you know, we we we was talking, we stand over there talking. It was like, do you ever think that we probably would have been here doing this? Yeah, yeah. I never thought that you. Nah.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:44

I ain't I would I ain't think that. Uh six months after I was out of jail.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:48

Yeah, we had uh triple beam dreams.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:52

Yeah. Yeah, growing up, that was all that was. Don't go and then sometimes you're you Y'all, I want to uh say to y'all, man, sometimes life can alter itself, not only for the bad, but for the good. You may wake up and be on the course of doing this one day, right? And be doing good with what you're doing, making money and thriving good. And the next day you wake up, it'll be a whole nother opportunity there for you. Something that you never even had plans on doing, nothing, and it'd be uh uh financially good for you, uh, in a healthy atmosphere and helping you prosper further in life. So don't miss them blessings too. You get them joints. You might not get them as much as how you want to work hard for something, because them joints just be them joints that fall sometime out of place in your path, and you see it and it's sparkling, pick that motherfucker up and put it in your pocket. Don't keep walking. Don't do that. You get them egg nailing them.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:45

That's that's like throwing a dog a bone. You know, just to speak about like like like uh like crack. Like, you know, we was young, right? And we had so we had we had a few friends that that really like that dibbled and dabbled and cracked that we didn't expect too. Right? What happened there? We had some friends that was our age that was like doubling, dabbling and crack. Yeah. At a young age. Yes. And we just couldn't believe it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. To see that. Yeah, you couldn't do not back then anyway. Young guys. Yeah, young men. It was like young, young, young guys, man. It's called fienagers back in the day. Fienagers, that's crazy. Yeah, it's called him. He was a fienager. If he was a a young guy on crack or or dope, it would be called a fienager. So we uh we experienced that too, but it just it was just crazy, man. But you know, nobody wanna call anybody. Listen, y'all know this uh episode of Tellsman Gel is sponsored by TNS Media Group. Also, we are live in Pod Rooms USA. If you ever want to shoot your podcast, if you ever want to, you know, get into uh you know podcasting, reach out to TNS Media Group. They help us out a lot. And also, uh, we have podrooms USA, whereas we're able to shoot our podcast. They have a lot of different cameras. Reach out to them on Instagram, at PowerRooms USA on Instagram and at TNS Media Group on IG as well, if you're looking to, you know, get into the podcasting world or social media world as well. Anything you want to say before we get up out of here?

SPEAKER_08 1:30:10

The heat is out, the meat is out.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:12

Do not get tricked out your spot. And you're not gonna like you talking about you want to dunk up in the sand.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:18

Enjoy your spring, summer, spring is coming to an end, summer is coming up. But I'm gonna have to, you know, I like to speak on the reality of things, man. And this is a fact, man. It's a sad fact. Everybody not gonna be here next summer. So don't get tricked out your spot over no bullshit, man. Whether you be in jail or dead. Everybody is not gonna be here next summer, me included. I I don't, I can't look for like, I'm not saying I won't be here, but I gotta guard myself and make sure I'm doing everything right and through and striving for certain things of good in order to be here.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:52

Exactly. That's it, man. Exactly, man. And shout out to um all the mothers and the fathers out there, you know, and all the children out there that's willing to listen. Shout out to mothers and fathers who are supporting their children, they're trying to change the lives of their children, the ones who are there working every day, striving, you know, who's trying to make it happen day in and day out. And shout out to the children, the young adults out here who are going to school, the ones who are trying, you know, who trying to, you know, make it, who are trying to, you know, uh, you know, listen to their parents and and push the needle and do great in school. And also I want to give a shout out to the ones out there who who are going through a little bit of struggle because without struggle, there's no progress. But just remember, listen to your parents. If you can't listen to your parents, find somebody that's older, that that uh understands uh what it's about to be in the delt. Do not listen to kids your age a lot of times out of ten because they're trying to figure it out along with you. If you listen to a kid, you're gonna be just stuck. So listen to adults. Find somebody who cares about you, who wants best for you, and then they'll help you uh guide you along the way. So that's all I want to say about that. Anything else you want to say before we get up out of here, young?

SPEAKER_08 1:32:01

It's summertime, y'all. Hit that like button too. It's summertime. The heat is out, the meat is out. Go pick them yeat, somebody's saying, man, go relax.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:10

You know, meat is out. No, no, dude, what are you talking about, man? They was talking about that hour 17 minutes. We're gonna let this go, let this go. But um get you, that's gonna be that's gonna be one of the shirts gonna say one hour and 17 minutes. That's gonna be one of the one of the one of the one of the proof. That's gonna be one of the shit, one of the one of the uh the apparel. We're gonna have the uh the merch. It's gonna say one hour, it's gonna say just say one seventeen. You know, one hour and seventeen minutes. All right. But you're listening, y'all. We get by here, y'all. Thank y'all once again. Follow us on all platforms, uh, TikTok, Instagram, uh, YouTube, as you already know. Uh, become a member if you can. Please become a member. Um, if you're able to. If not, it's okay. Subscribe, share, like a video, like this chat right now, help us get to the top of the, you know, uh, you know, totem poll. Also, uh, we're on Spotify, Apple Podcasts. Don't forget to follow us there, become a member there on those platforms as well, or become a subscriber there, follow us, you know, because we only do this for you guys. We just trying to, you know, push the needle in the right direction and help the youth and help uh young adults and adults all around the world. So thank you guys for tuning in. It's Tells from the Gels, we up out of here.